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Title: Earthing a House
Post by: Russell on 04 March, 2019, 09:53:41 am
The boy has recently picked up the keys to his first house and wants to change the boiler.  Britsh Gas came round and did some checks and declared that the house is not earthed and that they would need to instal an earth spike for £400+.

Looking at the wiring there is of course earth connections all wired back to the fuse box area but as far as I can see no connection between the armoured incoming cable and the earth block.  There ought to be but what form should it take?  It's a 70s house, semi with integral garage and the fuse box is in the garage.

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Thanks

R
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: grams on 04 March, 2019, 10:37:06 am
Looks like that metal strap ought to be connected up to the earth block - maybe a short cable from the left screw? Get an electrician in to have a proper look at it.

I wouldn’t dick about with spikes unless as a last resort - if the property previously had working earth via the incoming supply it’d be odd to convert it to a spike (which are always inferior).
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Kim on 04 March, 2019, 01:31:00 pm
Looks like that metal strap ought to be connected up to the earth block - maybe a short cable from the left screw? Get an electrician in to have a proper look at it.

I wouldn’t dick about with spikes unless as a last resort - if the property previously had working earth via the incoming supply it’d be odd to convert it to a spike (which are always inferior).

Agreed, that strap looks suspicious.  There are various earthing schemes, and most of them don't involve an earthing spike at the consumer's premises.

If British Gas have tested the earth loop impedance and found it lacking, then something needs to be done as a matter of urgency, as potentially (pun not intended) any earth fault could be a serious hazard.  Conversion to TT earthing might be one way to rectify that.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Ian H on 04 March, 2019, 01:44:13 pm
As I understand it, a normal earth is to the metal armouring of the supply cable, which is the function of that clamp.  I'd be tempted to DIY with a heavy-gauge cable from the block to the bolt on the clamp's earth strap, but I suppose one should really get an electrician to do it.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Gattopardo on 04 March, 2019, 01:49:42 pm
The earth from the outer cable is not connected to the earth block, as others have mentioned.

Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Kim on 04 March, 2019, 01:50:05 pm
As I understand it, a normal earth is to the metal armouring of the supply cable, which is the function of that clamp.  I'd be tempted to DIY with a heavy-gauge cable from the block to the bolt on the clamp's earth strap, but I suppose one should really get an electrician to do it.

I'd be tempted to DIY the clamp too, but lacking the equipment or expertise to measure earth loop impedance afterwards, I'd have no way to tell if it had solved the problem.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Canardly on 04 March, 2019, 02:43:39 pm
Get a sparks in. If the earthing was originally supplied by the energy provider they may have a duty to maintain it. You need to know what earthing system is being applied here. You will probably need to check cross bonding in the property as well.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: winnet on 04 March, 2019, 03:36:14 pm
Get a qualified electrician in to sort, far safer that way for all concerned.

Think, “what if?” not “if only!”

G


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Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: rafletcher on 04 March, 2019, 03:40:21 pm
In addition, get a decent local plumber to quote for the boiler, BG are a complete rip-off, witness their £400 quote for earthing.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: aidan.f on 04 March, 2019, 09:33:53 pm
Your son's solicitor  should have asked for an electrical safety certificate before completion. All the work to bring the install to standard should have been at the vendors cost.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Andrij on 04 March, 2019, 09:46:08 pm
At first glance I thought this was a thread about Eating a Horse - so surely it belonged in 'Food & Drink'.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Aunt Maud on 04 March, 2019, 10:20:29 pm
Avoid British Gas at all costs, they employed a non registered CORGI sub contractor to do out heating system in Somerset despite me insisting it was BG plumbers who should carry out the work.

Numpties of the highest degree.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Valiant on 05 March, 2019, 02:46:13 am
Get a proper sparky in, as it'll need to be measured and tested safe.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Wombat on 07 March, 2019, 11:31:56 am
Er, did he not have an electrical safety certificate when he bought the house?  If not, why not?  It sure as hell won't have passed unless it has an adequate earth.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: hellymedic on 07 March, 2019, 01:09:04 pm
I don't think certification is needed for sale/purchase in England; I think it is for rental BICBW.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Wombat on 14 March, 2019, 05:45:39 pm
Lets rephrase it.  You want to sell me your house?  Then provide an electrical safety certificate!  Don't care if its not required by law, its required by me, and my insurance company.  its certainly grounds for refunding some of the purchase price, as certificate or not, its dangerous, and not safe to live in.

The whole house purchase thing in England and Wales is totally broken.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: jsabine on 14 March, 2019, 08:35:49 pm
Electrical safety certificate required by your insurance company? For your private residence?

Maybe I need to read my insurance schedule more carefully, but I think I'd be looking for a less prescriptive underwriter.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: hellymedic on 14 March, 2019, 08:50:12 pm
My insurer did not demand this; nor did my mortgage lender, though I bought this place in 1999 and thing may have changed.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: Russell on 15 March, 2019, 12:36:17 pm
Leccy came round, tested and installed a new clamp on the incoming with a tail to the earth block.

With regards to British Gas, thier offer is hard to ignore.  With deals and discount, ignoring the earthing issue, they are cheaper than a local installer as well as offering additional sevices like a Magnaclean and a powerflush.

Downside is that they won't instal without an internet connection for the smart control system.
Title: Re: Earthing a House
Post by: perpetual dan on 16 March, 2019, 10:11:09 pm
British Gas did our boiler a year or so back. I’m pretty sure there’s no internet connection, but maybe we didn’t get that control system.