Author Topic: Overtraining - when does much become too much? (Read 4693 times)

Chris F.cc · « **Reply #25 on:** 11 July, 2015, 12:27:08 pm »

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Quote from: Chris F.cc on 10 July, 2015, 01:45:46 pm

If I fail PBP I will want to salvage my RRTY so my 'insurance' will be to enter a DIY Audax consisting of the first 200k of PBP. I believe that's cool within the DIY rules?

I had the same idea, and Paul Stewart's answer was a friendly but unambiguous: "No way, Jose". Apparently its clearly against the rules. I will probably do a very gentle DIY 200 on Aug 7. Failing on PBP would be a nightmare, but having done all these ~~nasty~~ character-building winter rides in vain would double the pain.

Yep, regulation 7.1

An AUK event may not be ridden concurrently with any other event eligible for AUK awards. [Note140929]

Otherwise I could hedge my bets on every audax I ride by entering a series of concurrent entires up to the full distance I could be be riding. Fail on a 600, no worries claim a 400. Fail in a 400, no worries claim a 300 etc.

Or even manage an SR in one go:

Enter a 1200km event, ride a 200, followed by a 300, followed by a 400 and finish the 1200.

So - yes - totally verboten

Thanks folks. You may have saved my season! I'm now planning a DIY 200 on August 1st instead.

Genosse Brymbo · « **Reply #26 on:** 13 July, 2015, 07:12:45 pm »

Completed my shakeout ride this last weekend, riding 550km to the ancestral pile and back with full PBP kit. Both the Brymbinator and myself are fit to travel. Tapering starts now, commute to work for next couple of weeks, with a short ride (max 100km) at the weekends. Family holiday will then take care of the last two weekends and ensure I'm rested before PBP. I'll leave the "speed work" to Marcus.

Pete Mas · « **Reply #27 on:** 14 July, 2015, 12:49:45 pm »

No 'training' as such for me currently....Just the usual slowish commute on fixed 25 miles total each day. Will ride the Devil's Punchbowl 200k on Sunday, and 6 days riding in the Alps (plenty of slow climbing in hot weather) planned leading my CTC Tour late July. After that its commuting and then the slow ride to Paris on August 12th. Should hopefully deliver me to the start with all I need to enjoy a planned 86-89 hour ride this time?

T42 · « **Reply #28 on:** 27 July, 2015, 10:23:37 am »

All I'm doing just now is keeping my long-distance legs going, and enjoying myself. With 5 kg of luggage on the bike, of course.

When does it get too much? When you start thinking "not this bloody road again". When that happens, thinking up another route to the cake shop usually helps.

Hummers · « **Reply #29 on:** 28 July, 2015, 06:57:59 pm »

I am unsure as to whether 'tapering' refers to cycling or drinking.

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Veloman · « **Reply #30 on:** 28 July, 2015, 06:59:20 pm »

^^^ Both

One tapers down and the other tapers up!

rodgers73 · « **Reply #31 on:** 28 July, 2015, 09:46:12 pm »

My last big ride was in late June (800km) and since then I've done a medium length ride on a w/e (60-100km).

Otherwise every day I do a fast 10km loop near my house. Reckon if I haven't got long distance in my legs by now I never will so I just want to keep the muscles active and avoid atrophying.

Its my 1st PBP but as far as I can tell its primarily a mental battle rather than being super fit.

Aunt Maud · « **Reply #32 on:** 28 July, 2015, 09:51:20 pm »

If you can do an 800, you'll be just fine and dandy on a 1200.

Why don't you slip in a 200 between now and then to get your head in shape?

rodgers73 · « **Reply #33 on:** 28 July, 2015, 10:12:19 pm »

I might well do. I'm in two minds as to how to use this coming weekend - bike maintenance and a 80-100km ride or a longer one and put the work off until a weekday evening.

T42 · « **Reply #34 on:** 01 August, 2015, 07:00:56 am »

Planned on doing a 200 today, but when I woke up this morning I felt so utterly browned off with the idea I stayed in bed. Haven't ridden all week, either. Might do a coffee trot this pm, but I doubt it.

hellymedic · « **Reply #35 on:** 01 August, 2015, 09:00:54 am »

If you weren't diabetic, I'd be suggesting croissants with mirabelle jam and coffee...

T42 · « **Reply #36 on:** 01 August, 2015, 09:22:25 am »

Sugar + metformin does all kinds of undesirable intestinal things.

Well, actually just one, but it's enough.

hellymedic · « **Reply #37 on:** 01 August, 2015, 09:26:54 am »

Well quite! I think you're wise to choose the lazy weekend.
Don't think our mirabelle tree is doing much this year.

T42 · « **Reply #38 on:** 01 August, 2015, 09:33:08 am »

Haven't seen any yet here. The plum season is rather nice, though.

There's a doctor in our club who distils his own mirabelle schnapps every year. Every club social do he turns up with his litre and toddles round filling everyone up.

hippy · « **Reply #39 on:** 05 August, 2015, 12:02:35 pm »

Quote from: hellymedic on 10 July, 2015, 05:49:32 pm

Get lots of nice sleeps in that last week.

Does that actually help? I was under the impression you can't bank sleep.

caerau · « **Reply #40 on:** 05 August, 2015, 12:19:47 pm »

Prevents you not getting enough though no?

hippy · « **Reply #41 on:** 05 August, 2015, 12:21:57 pm »

What's enough though? I never seem to get enough and on the odd occasion I sleep in, I feel horrible.

Meh, Sleep. Pass me another coffee!

caerau · « **Reply #42 on:** 05 August, 2015, 01:04:01 pm »

To be fair, that last post does come from someone who has barely slept the last two nights cos he can't get the impending PBP ride out of his head

pass the coffee

Pete Mas · « **Reply #43 on:** 05 August, 2015, 02:25:20 pm »

Quote from: hippy on 05 August, 2015, 12:02:35 pm

Quote from: hellymedic on 10 July, 2015, 05:49:32 pm
Get lots of nice sleeps in that last week.

Does that actually help? I was under the impression you can't bank sleep.

My experience is the opposite. True I feel lousy initially in the mornings if I oversleep a lot before a multi-day ride, but DURING the event/ride I then find I am more alert, and can get by with less sleep, all other things being equal.

hippy · « **Reply #44 on:** 05 August, 2015, 02:51:09 pm »

Ok, I might try and listen to my missus and get to bed earlier.

hellymedic · « **Reply #45 on:** 05 August, 2015, 05:19:13 pm »

A nice sleep is NOT one that leaves you feeling

A nice sleep happens when you go to bed at peace and wake up refreshed some hours later.
A nice sleep will not happen if:
You go to bed in a dispute or are angry/anxious in any way.
You have had too much caffeine the previous day.
You are hungry/in pain/uncomfortable for any reason.
Noise and light have different effects on different people.

Some people find nice sleeps more difficult than others but you should have lots before PBP...

simonp · « **Reply #46 on:** 07 August, 2015, 01:50:16 am »

So I suppose since I rode 480-odd K at the 24h I've been tapering since nothing more than 70k since. I have done a lot of turbo time. I haven't done a 20 minute test this month but I note that on repeating the same vo2max workout as several weeks ago my average HR is 3bpm lower. And for a 2h tempo workout over done 3.5 weeks apart with slightly higher intensity the second time there was a drop of 8bpm average.

I probably will do a couple more workouts between now and going to France but avoid anything too sapping.

Author Topic: Overtraining - when does much become too much? (Read 4693 times)

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