Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: vermooten on 14 June, 2018, 02:32:11 pm
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Enough with the circles jeez yes we get it: it's about cycling. Cycling --- wheels -- yes we get it. Now please stop.
In other gripes, I just don't want to read it. Too busy? Too much going on? I gave it time, I know that change is hard ... but this simply isn't good design. (I was in magazine production 1987 - 2001.)
I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Bloody audaxers! Always finding something to whinge about . . .
WHAT! ;D
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Well done to all involved in Arrivée.
It is much slicker than it used to be.
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Well done to all involved in Arrivée.
It is much slicker than it used to be.
Indeed. I liked the old one, but I find the new layout easier to read.
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Does it mean the new issue is out or this is just a general rant?
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'Get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand' ... As someone once sang.
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Who remembers Vision-On from the early 70s?
Only the London 2012 Olympics design is better...
Oh and the last Squatting Buzzard AUK design...
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Liza Simpson giving Bart a blow job?
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I'm sure I'm not alone.
you might be, massive improvement as far as I am concerned
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Enough with the circles jeez yes we get it: it's about cycling. Cycling --- wheels -- yes we get it. Now please stop.
In other gripes, I just don't want to read it. Too busy? Too much going on? I gave it time, I know that change is hard ... but this simply isn't good design. (I was in magazine production 1987 - 2001.)
I'm sure I'm not alone.
Don't want to read it? The thing is, you don't have to read it. Just pass it on to your cycling friends or club mates. Don't like the articles? Write something interesting. Don't like the design? Volunteer your services.
A lot of unpaid work by volunteers goes into Arrivee so please be mindful of how damaging your comments can be. Offers of help are I'm sure always welcome. So is constructive criticism, but in the right place. A moan on a public forum probably doesn't help anybody and in the end leads to job vacancies.
Funnily enough, I see that the Communications Director post is listed as vacant at http://www.aukweb.net/official/contacts/.
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x1000
It's put up or shut up when it comes to whining about stuff other people are doing for you for free.
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If it offends you, just stick it in the bin.
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I think it is great. Magazines evolve over time and that is what Arrive is doing.
I’m not sure a Heath and Efficiecny style is relevant nowadays.
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What Delph said.
My parents are involved in creating a similar magazine for the British walking federation, they thought the last edition of Arrivee was great , spent time to read it all (they don’t even like cycling!), and commented on how professional and well put together it was. They have taken away some ideas for their own publication :) well done all round, the new style is a great evolution
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I'm sure I'm not alone.
You're not, I and a few other people I know don't like it at all, but do I agree with
A lot of unpaid work by volunteers goes into Arrivee so please be mindful of how damaging your comments can be. Offers of help are I'm sure always welcome. So is constructive criticism, but in the right place. A moan on a public forum probably doesn't help anybody and in the end leads to job vacancies.
I've not contributed owt since that helmet article and I'm not sure I will for a while yet. As baffling as I find the circle jerking, just saying 'its shite' doesn't really help anyone.
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I think its excellent, and have read them cover to cover since finally joining AUK two seasons ago. Of all the newsletters etc that turn up from various bodies, its the only one I read. If anything it seems too good for audax, I wouldn't of been surprised if we just had a handwritten report faxed to a district secretary and put on a notice board somewhere, so the fact a lovely magazine is delivered through my letter box is fantastic.
Ill also say that having done various voluntary things in the past, just one negative comment can ruin 100's of positive ones, especially when, in my opinion, it is unwarranted.
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Best cycling magazine around by a long mile... written by cyclists for cyclists... with very little in the way of nonsense, zero pressure put on the reader to buy more stuff... inspiring articles about rides that anyone can actually do without remortgaging a house, the new graphics are more attractive and more in line with it being a 21st century read
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Ill also say that having done various voluntary things in the past, just one negative comment can ruin 100's of positive ones, especially when, in my opinion, it is unwarranted.
Within a voluntary organisation, criticism should be constructive, and is probably best accompanied by an offer to contribute one's services.
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I am neutral on the design but deeply appreciative that someone does it! But more important to me is the content and I *love* the new editorial direction - more variety, more inclusive, an acknowledgement that people who do Audax might just be interested in other forms of long distance cycling. I am sorry the OP is too tired to read it and is weary with change. Perhaps his blood sugar was low?
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Another vote for the new design. It's a great read and keeps getting better and better (helmet controversies aside).
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If it offends you, just stick it in the bin.
(With my memsec hat on)
Or e-mail me at membership@audax.uk with your real name and membership number and I will remove your name from mailing lists in future. It is not compulsory to receive the magazine and I do have a (very small) list of opt-outs.
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Well I think vermooten's post isn't so heinous. reasons:
- We're talking about visuals - it's all about taste. Purely subjective. If I said I don't like Adele's music, is that offensive to her?
- There has been an avalanche of praise for the new look-n-feel. Hearing a couple of views to the contrary is unlikely to discourage the volunteer(s) in question.
(personally I just like to be able to read stuff, so I tend to moan about bad colour contrast choices. graphics and fonts don't bother me tooooo much. Usually ... )
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I agree with you, matt. I don't have a strong view either way, the mag has always been good enough for me and still is. Some over-reaction here, I think. Is nobody to be allowed an opinion without being told to do it themselves? Certainly the effort involved is both colossal and colossally appreciated. Does that mean comment is forbidden?
Peter
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Bollocks.
Vermooten's post was very rude and completely negative. Nothing constructive.
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A little like yours, you silver-tongued charmer!
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My son was disappointed with this Arrivee, again! Please include more pictures with triangular drain covers in, it'll make his day.
Otherwise I think the new style is great. Shows the organisation is going forward. And what is wrong with circles? They are great containers for non leading images. Perhaps though a few could be contained in sprocket and chainring outlines so they aren't all mistaken for wheels? ;D
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Well FWIW my opinion is that it's excellent and the articles very interesting. So much so that I've put it aside for deeper reading when I get a bit of time. It's not for rushing through. I also especially liked the woman's view of touring which is good enough to be in The Guardian, I think.
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Is nobody to be allowed an opinion without being told to do it themselves? Certainly the effort involved is both colossal and colossally appreciated. Does that mean comment is forbidden?
Peter
I hope I wasn't saying comment is forbidden, just that slagging Arrivee off in public isn't necessarily a very effective method. As I pointed out, there is a vacancy for Communications Director, and my perception is that the vacancy isn't due to excessive negativity with Arrivee but it may have played a small part. For my part, I have offered some opinions privately to the Communications Director and I believe they were kindly received.
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Whats going on i ask myself, articles of young attractive ladies and children out enjoying there bikes. No,no. This is unacceptable, this is all wrong i tell you. Were are the grumpy old men with sandles and beards , this gives the wrong idea of audax :demon: :demon:
Ok . i think its great :thumbsup:
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Well my copy turned up this morning and its wonderful. Lots of interesting articles, people on bikes enjoying themselves,even invisible arms. The whole thing is an absolute credit to Audax UK and those who put it together.
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this simply isn't good design. (I was in magazine production 1987 - 2001.)
Well, I've only been involved in magazine production since the late 90s so my opinion is obviously not worth much, but I entirely disagree with you.
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I generally don't mind the new design but I wish the cover said "Arrivee" not WWWee.
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Whats going on i ask myself, articles of young attractive ladies and children out enjoying there bikes.
Fancy having a young, athletic-looking woman on the cover. People could be mistaken into believing it's the 21st century or something.
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it may even make riding in big-big 'rings fashionable.. 8)
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it may even make riding in big-big 'rings fashionable.. 8)
That'll make people cross.
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There are some really nice pictures this month, so I totally disagree with everyone that has slagged them off.
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it may even make riding in big-big 'rings fashionable.. 8)
That'll make people cross.
I'm torn between groaning at Ian's "observation", or commenting on how everyone spots something relevant to their own interests in a photo :)
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There should be a ban on helmet mentions though.
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There should be a ban on helmet mentions though.
Perhaps there could be an editorial policy to amend every mention of 'helmet'. What word or phrase might be a suitable replacement?
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There should be a ban on helmet mentions though.
Perhaps there could be an editorial policy to amend every mention of 'helmet'. What word or phrase might be a suitable replacement?
Shrubbery.
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I haven't looked at Kim's copy closely but I quite liked the new layout the circles work well from what I can see.
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Is nobody to be allowed an opinion without being told to do it themselves? Certainly the effort involved is both colossal and colossally appreciated. Does that mean comment is forbidden?
Peter
I hope I wasn't saying comment is forbidden, just that slagging Arrivee off in public isn't necessarily a very effective method. As I pointed out, there is a vacancy for Communications Director, and my perception is that the vacancy isn't due to excessive negativity with Arrivee but it may have played a small part. For my part, I have offered some opinions privately to the Communications Director and I believe they were kindly received.
No, I didn't take your post like that, at all, Mike. As usual you are an exemplar of how to be reasonable.
peter
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I generally don't mind the new design but I wish the cover said "Arrivee" not WWWee.
Agreed. There was a small discussion about this on twitter earlier, I had a number of people look at it, including a couple of people who work in accessibility.
The verdict was:
"I read it as ah-wooh-wooh-wooh-weee."
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"Looks like wwee to me"
I don't know how the font on the front got past accessibility testing. This Dyslexic can't read it properly atall.
Content inside seems ok, the first one I got seemed a bit light on non male riders in the pictures. Based on the cover image of the latest, I have reasonable hope this one may not suffer the same.
J
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Whats going on i ask myself, articles of young attractive ladies and children out enjoying there bikes. No,no. This is unacceptable, this is all wrong i tell you. Were are the grumpy old men with sandles and beards , this gives the wrong idea of audax :demon: :demon:
Ok . i think its great :thumbsup:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My son was disappointed with this Arrivee, again! Please include more pictures with triangular drain covers in, it'll make his day.
Otherwise I think the new style is great. Shows the organisation is going forward. And what is wrong with circles? They are great containers for non leading images. Perhaps though a few could be contained in sprocket and chainring outlines so they aren't all mistaken for wheels? ;D
I doubt the complainers will mistake them for wheels unless they've got at least 36 spokes.
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just got mine today and loved it.
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I have no experience with magazine layout except for running an anarchist fanzine in the 80s
I think the new layout is just fine. The obvious effort that's has gone into trying to improve the magazine impresses me
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I like the new format a lot and hopefully the editors push the boat out a bit more as they grow comfortable with the theme. Definitely something I think will be more likely to be read by the next punter I offer my copy to once I've finished it.
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Must be doing something right, I found barakta reading it earlier. Her only complaint was poor contrast on some of the text due to bad choice of background.
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I have to say I think the important bit to me is the content, and it was pretty readable with some nice pics too, so no complaints. I would happily pay for it separately to my Audax fee.
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Why is it now in an opaque envelope? Is it due the politically correct mumbo jumbo around GDPR? Is a picture of someone on a bike technically classed as "data" that shouldn't be released to the postman?
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Why is it now in an opaque envelope? Is it due the politically correct mumbo jumbo around GDPR? Is a picture of someone on a bike technically classed as "data" that shouldn't be released to the postman?
AIUI it's because paper is more environmentally friendly than plastic.
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Why is it now in an opaque envelope? Is it due the politically correct mumbo jumbo around GDPR? Is a picture of someone on a bike technically classed as "data" that shouldn't be released to the postman?
Political correctness gone mad.
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Why is it now in an opaque envelope? Is it due the politically correct mumbo jumbo around GDPR? Is a picture of someone on a bike technically classed as "data" that shouldn't be released to the postman?
AIUI it's because paper is more environmentally friendly than plastic.
My understanding also.
Paper costs more, I believe.
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Why is it now in an opaque envelope? Is it due the politically correct mumbo jumbo around GDPR? Is a picture of someone on a bike technically classed as "data" that shouldn't be released to the postman?
AIUI it's because paper is more environmentally friendly than plastic.
My understanding also.
Paper costs more, I believe.
But it is easier to recycle, most of the plastic films used can't be recycled...
Also avoids the irony that befell National Geographic recently:
(https://i.redd.it/q38594mnvc311.png)
Their edition about the impact of plastics on the environment arrived in not 1, but 2 layers of plastic wrap.
J
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Bit of a pain to organise but it'd be great if the mag came wrapped in potato starch, like the NT magazine
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/our-new-fully-biodegradable-magazine-wrapper
(https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/our-new-fully-biodegradable-magazine-wrapper)
(https://nt.global.ssl.fastly.net/images/1431805172810-summer2018x1400.jpg?width=1920&auto=webp&crop=16:7)
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If potato starch postal magazine wrappers cost anything like compostable caddy liners, AUK/Arrivée subscriptions would have to rise...
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But would potato starch be acceptable to the keto-adapted auk members?
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Don't lick your fingers to turn the pages.
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The only innovation I am not totally convinced about is that bloke talking training tips for cycling long distance... I think the all concept of "training" for an event clashes a bit with the concept of "randonneur"... I hope this trend doesn't spread beyond the page... last thing I want is a copy of Arrivee full of nutrition, kit, gear and training advice on how to ride faster for longer.
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Maybe there could be a cheaper rate for those who don't want a magazine posted to them.
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The internet's a funny place, somewhat lacking in nuance. What does the term 'hate' amount to? Better to say 'I still have my reservations about'.
I have my reservations about lots of things, that's my function as a grumpy old man. One's a shift to larger events, drawing on a wider pool of riders. That's not due to any elitism, just that bigger fields put more load on the road, and drivers are impatient when they've worked their way past more than a dozen riders behind me.
I don't ride my bike much any more, as I've had eye problems, my hands are knackered, and it's not good for my back. So my opinions are the polar opposite to keen newcomer, who expects some conformity to the cycling media mainstream.
I even have reservations about my reservations, I'm about 90% nuance these days. My ideal magazine would consist mainly of complex sub-clauses, containing numerous caveats. The direct approach is easier to edit, but I hate it.
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If potato starch postal magazine wrappers cost anything like compostable caddy liners, AUK/Arrivée subscriptions would have to rise...
Even if they do it's worth it to prevent waste of single use plastics that ruin absolutely everything.
BSAC and the National Trust manage to use the new technology without breaking the bank somehow I think AUK can do the same.
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If potato starch postal magazine wrappers cost anything like compostable caddy liners, AUK/Arrivée subscriptions would have to rise...
Even if they do it's worth it to prevent waste of single use plastics that ruin absolutely everything.
BSAC and the National Trust manage to use the new technology without breaking the bank somehow I think AUK can do the same.
...Or use paper? Like they are doing?
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Compostable packaging is superior to paper, which has to be, manufactured, then after disposal processed and reconstituted. Compostable packaging comes from a waste product already, and breaks down after about 12 weeks after composting. Paper production is very energy and water intensive and isn't the eco friendly material it's made out to be even when recycled. http://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/Paper-Waste-Facts (http://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/Paper-Waste-Facts) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_recycling#Energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_recycling#Energy)
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As far as I know AUK doesn't have a green agenda though. They're an organisation for cyclists, not the same thing at all.
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I even have reservations about my reservations, I'm about 90% nuance these days. My ideal magazine would consist mainly of complex sub-clauses, containing numerous caveats. The direct approach is easier to edit, but I hate it.
I think you're being very clear there.
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As far as I know AUK doesn't have a green agenda though. They're an organisation for cyclists, not the same thing at all.
I didn't realise you needed to have a 'green agenda's to be environmentally sustainable.
This marks the difference between oldies who grew up with leaded petrol and no congestion charge and younger people who actually give a monkey's about environmental health I guess....
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The only innovation I am not totally convinced about is that bloke talking training tips for cycling long distance... I think the all concept of "training" for an event clashes a bit with the concept of "randonneur"... I hope this trend doesn't spread beyond the page... last thing I want is a copy of Arrivee full of nutrition, kit, gear and training advice on how to ride faster for longer.
As a complete newb to this, I would say some training tips are useful. It would save me asking so many questions here.
Suitable related topics that would be of interest to a newbie like me include: "Cut out the faff: Improve control discipline to save time and improve average speed", "Pain in the arse: how to improve on bike comfort", "Which is better M&M's, mars bars, or custard creams as audax fuel" "Going further: From 200 to 300" "going further: from 300 to 400" "going further: from 400 to 600" "The big one, doing your first 1000+ ride"
Would happily buy a beer to who ever can contribute the 1st, 4rd and last of those...
Compostable packaging is superior to paper, which has to be, manufactured, then after disposal processed and reconstituted. Compostable packaging comes from a waste product already, and breaks down after about 12 weeks after composting. Paper production is very energy and water intensive and isn't the eco friendly material it's made out to be even when recycled. http://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/Paper-Waste-Facts (http://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/Paper-Waste-Facts) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_recycling#Energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_recycling#Energy)
Yes, but, where as paper comes from trees that are grown on non grade A farm land, potato start is derived from grade a farm land that would be better used feeding people. Then you have the fact that for most people, decomposition of the starch bag would be done in an anerobic environment, meaning it's likely to produce Methane rather than CO², which as a green house gas is effectively 25x more potent.
Also a paper envelope is more reusable (Reduce, reuse, recycle). For the majority of my paper envelopes that I receive, they tend to have at least one more life as a shopping list note pad, place to sketch stuff, packing list etc...
There are arguments for both. Tho I think we can agree that either paper or starch based packaging is infinitely better than dinosaur derived plastic.
Now if they could just rename the magazine back to Arrivee from it's current AWWOO...
J
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Compostable packaging is superior to paper...
I hate to break it to you, but the whole magazine's made out of paper.
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I wrote a bumcare article twenty-mumble years ago...
Top ten tips for a tip-top bottom...
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I wrote a bumcare article twenty-mumble years ago...
Top ten tips for a tip-top bottom...
Are past editions available for those of us who haven't been AUK members for 20 years?
J
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I don't think any more than the cover illustration is available for such ancient writings!
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Now if they could just rename the magazine back to Arrivee from it's current AWWOO...
J
I don't have a problem with the title/masthead being stylised. It's not as if you have to decipher it anew each issue (unless your memory is really very bad).
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Surely if you want to be that environmentally friendly, just email the PDF ::-) ;)... or is that too anti-luddite .. ::-) ;)
Anyhow - sorry, can't stop, just off to laminate a route sheet :D
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Surely if you want to be that environmentally friendly, just email the PDF ::-) ;)... or is that too anti-luddite .. ::-) ;)
Anyhow - sorry, can't stop, just off to laminate a route sheet :D
PDF is a nice idea, tho I wonder if there are better options for how to do the same info that would be as easy to produce, but are more versatile on things like e-ink based e-readers like kindles. Would also allow things like a screen reader for anyone with poor sight, etc...
The nice thing about many of these formats is producing both is relatively easy...
J
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You can already get it in pdf format. Sign up to Issue and you can download as pdf.
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You can already get it in pdf format. Sign up to Issue and you can download as pdf.
If I do that do I stop receiving a paper copy in the post too?
I want the mag but I just want a digital copy.
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As a complete newb to this, I would say some training tips are useful. It would save me asking so many questions here.
Suitable related topics that would be of interest to a newbie like me include: "Cut out the faff: Improve control discipline to save time and improve average speed", "Pain in the arse: how to improve on bike comfort", "Which is better M&M's, mars bars, or custard creams as audax fuel" "Going further: From 200 to 300" "going further: from 300 to 400" "going further: from 400 to 600" "The big one, doing your first 1000+ ride"
I found this article covering some of the above a good read: http://www.audaxireland.org/the-saddlebag/stepping-up-to-300k/ (http://www.audaxireland.org/the-saddlebag/stepping-up-to-300k/)
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You can already get it in pdf format. Sign up to Issue and you can download as pdf.
If I do that do I stop receiving a paper copy in the post too?
I want the mag but I just want a digital copy.
If you tell Caroline you no longer want the printed copy then yes.
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You can already get it in pdf format. Sign up to Issue and you can download as pdf.
If I do that do I stop receiving a paper copy in the post too?
I want the mag but I just want a digital copy.
If you tell Caroline you no longer want the printed copy then yes.
Excellent, thanks, will do.
But I think the opt-out (yes, the default should be to receive hard-copy for various reasons) should be much easier than that (as an AUK of 10+ years I've no idea who that is but I'm sure it would be obvious with a few minutes of checking the website - it is). But a checkbox I can unselect on the members section of the website might be another way, with instructions for doing so printed clearly inside each edition. Something that makes it less of a burden for the administration team; telling hundreds of people to contact a single person to unsubscribe probably isn't ideal.
I'd also like Issuu (I assume you meant them before your auto-correct go to it) or AUK to email me whenever a new edition is out, otherwise I'll have no idea unless I check here.
The AUK website is also out of date: http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/ as it only has links to Arrivee up until Feb 2017 online.
It's all a little bit disconnected.
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Compostable packaging is superior to paper...
I hate to break it to you, but the whole magazine's made out of paper.
I hate to break it to you, but it's packaging that goes straight in the bin as soon as it's received, not the mag itself ::-)
There's a good reason for the mag to be on paper - it's a good way of spreading word of Audax because you can lend it to people, leave it on coffee tables etc.
The packaging always goes straight into the bin.
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Why would you bother joining AUK if someone was going to share a Pdf of Arrivee with you? You'd need to enter more than 9 events a year for that to be worthwhile.
That's a common enough mindset among the generation that expected all content to be free. Fortunately that pirate era was short-lived, as their 'It's behind a paywall', whinging has been proven to be unsustainable. If they don't want to pay, it's just tough.
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Just today got my copy and at the off I will say that had I not known the title of the magazine was supposed to be Arrivee, I could never have known from the fluttering ribbon at the top of the cover page.
But anyway, why Arrivee? Is it supposed to denote something about arriving, isn't randonneuring about the journey, so could it be called Journee or some such bastardization of the French language - not a bad idea by the way.
As for the content; I realise editors can only work with the material at hand so no point carping about that except to plead is it possible to have a precis before each piece because having a short attention span I do not like to read any more than one page on any one subject. Bike ride reports that cover multiple pages and include content such as "I did this then I did that and then I did something else" quickly loses my interest. For that reason I never read blogs which for the most part I find are self-congratulating exercises.
Other than that, I think this edition of the fluttering ribbon is wonderful and I have yet to open it to the inside page.
And about those helmets...
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Just today got my copy and at the off I will say that had I not known the title of the magazine was supposed to be Arrivee, I could never have known from the fluttering ribbon at the top of the cover page.
But anyway, why Arrivee? Is it supposed to denote something about arriving, isn't randonneuring about the journey, so could it be called Journee or some such bastardization of the French language - not a bad idea by the way.
As for the content; I realise editors can only work with the material at hand so no point carping about that except to plead is it possible to have a precis before each piece because having a short attention span I do not like to read any more than one page on any one subject. Bike ride reports that cover multiple pages and include content such as "I did this then I did that and then I did something else" quickly loses my interest. For that reason I never read blogs which for the most part I find are self-congratulating exercises.
Other than that, I think this edition of the fluttering ribbon is wonderful and I have yet to open it to the inside page.
And about those helmets...
Any chance of starting your post with a précis? There might be people on here with a short attention span.
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Just today got my copy and at the off I will say that had I not known the title of the magazine was supposed to be Arrivee, I could never have known from the fluttering ribbon at the top of the cover page.
But anyway, why Arrivee? Is it supposed to denote something about arriving, isn't randonneuring about the journey, so could it be called Journee or some such bastardization of the French language - not a bad idea by the way.
As for the content; I realise editors can only work with the material at hand so no point carping about that except to plead is it possible to have a precis before each piece because having a short attention span I do not like to read any more than one page on any one subject. Bike ride reports that cover multiple pages and include content such as "I did this then I did that and then I did something else" quickly loses my interest. For that reason I never read blogs which for the most part I find are self-congratulating exercises.
Other than that, I think this edition of the fluttering ribbon is wonderful and I have yet to open it to the inside page.
And about those helmets...
Any chance of staring your post with a précis? There might be people on here with a short attention span.
tldr
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Just today got my copy and at the off I will say that had I not known the title of the magazine was supposed to be Arrivee, I could never have known from the fluttering ribbon at the top of the cover page.
But anyway, why Arrivee? Is it supposed to denote something about arriving, isn't randonneuring about the journey, so could it be called Journee or some such bastardization of the French language - not a bad idea by the way.
Is Arrivé not the French for finish line, or end? or some such? I've heard people use it in English "Made it back to arrivé within the time limit, just" or some such.
I like it as a title, even if I can't read the title on the front page. It's like the way the pub on a gold course is the 19th hole...
J
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But I think the opt-out (yes, the default should be to receive hard-copy for various reasons) should be much easier than that (as an AUK of 10+ years I've no idea who that is but I'm sure it would be obvious with a few minutes of checking the website - it is). But a checkbox I can unselect on the members section of the website might be another way, with instructions for doing so printed clearly inside each edition. Something that makes it less of a burden for the administration team; telling hundreds of people to contact a single person to unsubscribe probably isn't ideal.
The Membership Secretary is the person who handles the Arrivée mailing list, so that's who you need to notify if you don't want to receive it.
What you suggest sounds like a good idea, but it's another job on the long list of jobs for the website manager. Really, these are full-time jobs being done by volunteers in their spare time for token remuneration.
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Nobody picked on my earlier comment... :'(
Thoughts about the new regular feature on training tips?
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But anyway, why Arrivee? Is it supposed to denote something about arriving, isn't randonneuring about the journey, so could it be called Journee or some such bastardization of the French language - not a bad idea by the way.
It's just a title, don't get hung up on it.
Journée is an actual French word, and doesn't mean what you think it means.
As for the content; I realise editors can only work with the material at hand so no point carping about that except to plead is it possible to have a precis before each piece because having a short attention span I do not like to read any more than one page on any one subject.
When Sheila was editor, her approach AIUI was to publish articles pretty much as submitted. There are good reasons for this - one being that contributors can be a bit funny about having their masterpieces tinkered with, another being that it's a very time-consuming job to edit pieces down to a word count in a sensitive way that doesn't lose the author's voice or cut out their best gags, as is adding headlines, standfirsts, crossheads, pull-quotes...
I would agree that some submitted pieces would benefit from significant editing to make them more readable, but... are you volunteering to do the job?
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Nobody picked on my earlier comment... :'(
Thoughts about the new regular feature on training tips?
Nobody? Are you sure?
This post makes some good points:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=108390.msg2296954#msg2296954
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Missed it, clearly...
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"Which is better M&M's, mars bars, or custard creams as audax fuel"
Custard Creams - no contest !
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I would agree that some submitted pieces would benefit from significant editing to make them more readable, but... are you volunteering to do the job?
And take the flak?
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Why would you bother joining AUK if someone was going to share a Pdf of Arrivee with you? You'd need to enter more than 9 events a year for that to be worthwhile.
I joined to be part of the club, have my results recorded together and to be eligible for badges and member only events. I don't think I knew Arrivee existed at the time.
I do like the articles that aren't lengthy blow-by-blow accounts of rides best. One thing I'd love to see is pitches from organisers to do their rides. In fact, I don't recall seeing anything much written by organisers at all.
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This is a truly wonderful place: we now have criticisms of written material by people who don't like reading!
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This is a truly wonderful place: we now have criticisms of written material by people who don't like reading!
Time to move on to critiquing the composition of some of the photos?
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"Which is better M&M's, mars bars, or custard creams as audax fuel"
Custard Creams - no contest !
[citation needed]
J
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This is a truly wonderful place: we now have criticisms of written material by people who don't like reading!
Time to move on to critiquing the composition of some of the photos?
Putting them all in circles means we don't get to moan about the aspect ratios.
But there's something suspicious going on on the back cover. I may have to re-consider the stories I hear about invisible cyclists coming out of nowhere... :)
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But there's something suspicious going on on the back cover. I may have to re-consider the stories I hear about invisible cyclists coming out of nowhere... :)
Discussed in the "AWWOO est AWWOO-ed" thread. Most probably the camera's botched interpolation of many shots taken in HDR mode.
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But there's something suspicious going on on the back cover. I may have to re-consider the stories I hear about invisible cyclists coming out of nowhere... :)
Discussed in the "AWWOO est AWWOO-ed" thread. Most probably the camera's botched interpolation of many shots taken in HDR mode.
Ah, I read that before I'd looked at my copy, and promptly recycled the neurons.
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Sod saving the planet, it's boring. Let's slag off Awwoo some more:
My main gripe with recent issues is that some articles have been pre-shrunk to a tiny font size, so that they fit prettily into the space allocated. (Ms Lenny's article is a clear example - the main text is lovely, but there is a later sub-section laid out for our Lilliputian readers :( )
I know this will be subjective - and with the average AUK being 92years-old, they probably have better eyesight than me - so does anyone know if there are industry standards for this stuff? (I can't see how a varying font size can be justified, IMHO.)
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I don’t think there are any rules but in my view anything below 12pt is pushing it and 9pt is evil.
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Surely if you want to be that environmentally friendly, just email the PDF ::-) ;)... or is that too anti-luddite .. ::-) ;)
Anyhow - sorry, can't stop, just off to laminate a route sheet :D
Quite. Put it online, hosted on a server powered by Unicorn farts (or wind, it's almost the same).
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so does anyone know if there are industry standards for this stuff? (I can't see how a varying font size can be justified, IMHO.)
They're actually the same size (height), it's just that one is a narrower font.
Using a contrasting font for panel copy is standard practice, though it should be just as legible as the main font at the same size. (And all body copy should be set in the same size.)
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Why would you bother joining AUK if someone was going to share a Pdf of Arrivee with you? You'd need to enter more than 9 events a year for that to be worthwhile.
I joined to be part of the club, have my results recorded together and to be eligible for badges and member only events. I don't think I knew Arrivee existed at the time.
I do like the articles that aren't lengthy blow-by-blow accounts of rides best. One thing I'd love to see is pitches from organisers to do their rides. In fact, I don't recall seeing anything much written by organisers at all.
I think there's an increasing awareness that content has to be paid for, or it will cease to exist. The problem with electronic media is that it's too easily shared.
I inherited a couple of week's subscription to 'The Times', recently. I'd normally read the Guardian, but that's shrunk so much, that there's barely anything in it. I may have disagreed with a lot of the Times, but it was better written, and had more content.
It's a good sign that someone cares enough about Arrive to adopt a new design. I think that's only likely to happen if the result is something you can hold in your hand, A pdf could look like the AUK website.
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This marks the difference between oldies who grew up with leaded petrol and no congestion charge and younger people who actually give a monkey's about environmental health I guess....
That's pretty funny
Our way of life today is just as unsustainable as any time in the last 50 years
Don't take the moral high ground: it's already underwater
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This marks the difference between oldies who grew up with leaded petrol and no congestion charge and younger people who actually give a monkey's about environmental health I guess....
That's pretty funny
Our way of life today is just as unsustainable as any time in the last 50 years
Don't take the moral high ground: it's already underwater
Bunk. Old people clearly don't care about environmental health to anything near a degree as under 30's. They'll be dead before the rest of us end up in trouble so stuff it, a full tank of hydrocarbons in my fume spewing 25 MPG death cage please guv'nor, and extra whale-choking plastic wrapping with my copy of arrivée.
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I do like the articles that aren't lengthy blow-by-blow accounts of rides best. One thing I'd love to see is pitches from organisers to do their rides. In fact, I don't recall seeing anything much written by organisers at all.
That's because they'd probably like to write about pain-in-the-arse entrants. The sort who constantly demand GPX files, more detailed course descriptions, varied catering, and then phone up to see if they can get a lift back to the start when they prove incapable of finishing.
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That's because they'd probably like to write about pain-in-the-arse entrants. The sort who constantly demand GPX files, more detailed course descriptions, varied catering, and then phone up to see if they can get a lift back to the start when they prove incapable of finishing.
Would there not be some sense in some articles about how to organise a BRM? "You've done your SR rides, you've got your RRtY medal. Now you want to give something back, here's how to organise your first audax ride..."
Maybe a column for organisers to anonymously rant about riders bad habbits, a short couple of paragraphs "on this ride i run in the home counties one rider phoned me up to give me an earful that there were no signs for the route, and no support moto..." etc... a sort of confessional. Would allow people to see what others do and learn to not be that guy... a simple space filler
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You can already get it in pdf format. Sign up to Issue and you can download as pdf.
It no longer seems to be up to date on the Issuu site. Is it still being published there ?
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Would there not be some sense in some articles about how to organise a BRM?
There's plenty of official documentation for that already on the website - http://www.aukweb.net/organisers/howto/
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Would there not be some sense in some articles about how to organise a BRM?
There's plenty of official documentation for that already on the website - http://www.aukweb.net/organisers/howto/
"Handed out the cards at the station, mentioned potholes, sent them on their way. Wandered home."
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Would there not be some sense in some articles about how to organise a BRM?
There's plenty of official documentation for that already on the website - http://www.aukweb.net/organisers/howto/
"Handed out the cards at the station, mentioned potholes, sent them on their way. Wandered home."
The point being that organising a BRM is much the same as organising any other event other than some minor admin points:
1) Events have to be scheduled by 1st October for inclusion in the ACP Calendar
2) The organisers return includes finishers times*as I doubt if that informationACP
3) Brevets have to be returned to ValSecs to receive ACP Validation stickers (so no on-the-spot validation)
4) er, thats about it, AFAICR...
*Would be interesting to know if anything is done with that information. PBP publishes finising times but nobody else does, so why bother?
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The article almost writes itself!
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Agreed. There was a small discussion about this on twitter earlier, I had a number of people look at it, including a couple of people who work in accessibility.
The verdict was:
"I read it as ah-wooh-wooh-wooh-weee."
That's a great name for the magazine, it sums up my rides perfectly.
I like the mag, mainly for the content, if it didn't come with the membership I'd buy it.
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Agreed. There was a small discussion about this on twitter earlier, I had a number of people look at it, including a couple of people who work in accessibility.
The verdict was:
"I read it as ah-wooh-wooh-wooh-weee."
That's a great name for the magazine, it sums up my rides perfectly.
I like the mag, mainly for the content, if it didn't come with the membership I'd buy it.
The combined efforts of Royal snail and postnl have managed to deliver unto me, my copy of the latest edition of ah wooh wooh weeeee. So I'm gonna crack open a packet of biscuits, and have a read.
J
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I'm gonna crack open a packet of biscuits
Custard creams?
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I'm gonna crack open a packet of biscuits
Custard creams?
If only. The stock I imported with me when I last did a supply run to blighty has long since run out. No I'm having to make do with chocolate digestives...
J
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an x-rated event, then!
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*Would be interesting to know if anything is done with that information. PBP publishes finising times but nobody else does, so why bother?
ACP check the times AUK reports to them and only issues homologation numbers against those who are within time limits....
Also reported to ACP is gender of riders and, in some cases, whether riding a tandem. Even less done with that information !
All a relic of a bygone age.
But of course sight of Mr O'Tea's finishing times provide amusement to those AUK volunteers responsible for passing the information back and forth with ACP. :demon:
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I would agree that some submitted pieces would benefit from significant editing to make them more readable, but... are you volunteering to do the job?
Absolutely, but then there'd be a lot of crying.
Any chance of starting your post with a précis? There might be people on here with a short attention span
Sorry, what was that?
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*Would be interesting to know if anything is done with that information. PBP publishes finising times but nobody else does, so why bother?
ACP check the times AUK reports to them and only issues homologation numbers against those who are within time limits....
Also reported to ACP is gender of riders and, in some cases, whether riding a tandem. Even less done with that information !
All a relic of a bygone age.
But of course sight of Mr O'Tea's finishing times provide amusement to those AUK volunteers responsible for passing the information back and forth with ACP. :demon:
LRM also publish finishing times for rides it homologates, it's not just ACP.
ACP also publish an analysis of PBP finishing times against rider's 400 and 600 qualifying ride finishing times for the previous ride (i.e. in the 2015 brochure they printed the stats about 2011).
Where was the previous post...
I seem to remember that PBP had stats on finishers split up by their finishing times in their qualifying 600 and 400. Ah yes, p42 of https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/download/BROCHURE-GB.pdf (12.5MB)
(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/pbp2011.jpg)
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ACP also publish an analysis of PBP finishing times against rider's 400 and 600 qualifying ride finishing times for the previous ride (i.e. in the 2015 brochure they printed the stats about 2011).
That is very interesting - and helpful from a rider's point of view, as one who has never done PBP. It gives me an idea of the statistical likelihood of being able to finish PBP, and how long it's likely to take me.
I suppose you have to allow for other influencing factors, like the toughness of terrain on your qualifying rides, and how much over-distance they are, but those tables are certainly useful as a rough guide.
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My view that a 34 hour 600 is optimum is based on that breakdown. 70% of over 1029 riders are spread over a 20 hour period. So lots of company, but with less stress.
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I can't help thinking that a cursive 'r' (https://www.bigactivities.com/writing/alphabet/lowercase/small_r.php) would be help scotch half of the above debate.
Otherwise all good.
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I generally don't mind the new design but I wish the cover said "Arrivee" not WWWee.
I don't know how the font on the front got past accessibility testing. This Dyslexic can't read it properly atall.
I think I was in that discussion in Twitter and may have said this before, but I don't think your inability to read it is a function of dyslexia. I don't think _anyone_ can read it. I certainly can't and no-one else I know IRL who reads Arrivee can.
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Whilst it's still a work in progress, I think the general tenor, layour andd content of the magazine is fairly spot on, a major advance from where we were. Some articles are too long/wordy but that's partly a content/authoring thing... . its up to us to provide more articles on different topics.
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I generally don't mind the new design but I wish the cover said "Arrivee" not WWWee.
I don't know how the font on the front got past accessibility testing. This Dyslexic can't read it properly atall.
I think I was in that discussion in Twitter and may have said this before, but I don't think your inability to read it is a function of dyslexia. I don't think _anyone_ can read it. I certainly can't and no-one else I know IRL who reads Arrivee can.
If they can't read it how do they know they are reading Arrivée?
...and If they do know they are reading Arrivée what the hell is this fuss about?
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Does a masthead really matter wrt accessibility?
Surely the body text is more critical. You only need to recognise, not read, a magazine cover...
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Does a masthead really matter wrt accessibility?
Not really. I mean, it's not like it says "We are Audax UK" in comic sans or anything.
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It's a logo innit.... representing the Magazine formerly known as Arrivee
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Does a masthead really matter wrt accessibility?
Not really. I mean, it's not like it says "We are Audax UK" in comic sans or anything.
Charitable status and an over-paid executive?
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If the magazine represents Audax UK why doesn't it have as a title: Audax UK?
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If the magazine represents Audax UK why doesn't it have as a title: Audax UK?
Unfortunately, Ray's no longer around to answer that one.
http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/001/ (http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/001/)
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If the magazine represents Audax UK why doesn't it have as a title: Audax UK?
Because, in a moment of open mindedness, the magazine name is a nod to the continental origins of the rides which we do. Arrivé is the French name for the finish. We are working to the ACP standards. Arrivé is a nice nod to that heritage and origins.
I'm guessing here.
Personally I like the name Arrivé. I just can't read the awwwwooo as Arrivé on the front.
I think a sub heading on there of "Arrivé, the audax uk magazine" or somesuch, maybe on the inside contents page. Would perhaps shut me up...
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... and calling it "Finish" would be a little less interesting.
(and I don't care what the francophobes in the club say. I love saying peleton! Bidon! Chapeau! Brevet! )
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Peloton
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peleton!
Peloton
Peltalong!
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Pete Tong!
Given this is an in-house magazine that is not sold on the streets, does it matter that much?
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Peloton
Fair point, well made. ;D
(it's one of those words I never know how to spell. I'm jenrally an eggcellent spelluh, but have a few glaring blindspots. And that, sadly, is one of them :-[ )
p.s. I hope she'll be pointing out the various Arrivée/Arrivé howlers in good time ... ;)
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Get bent, it's a great name for the magazine. Just a shame about the content really.
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p.s. I hope she'll be pointing out the various Arrivée/Arrivé howlers in good time ... ;)
We're still struggling with the name change to WWee to be fair.
ETA: I think the recent revamps are great, from a styling POV. The content is written by riders - they're not all literary gods - FFS get over it. It does what it does well - it's a niche mag written by (mostly) middle-aged blokes who:
- Hate their lives
- Self harm
- Like sniffing forecourt fumes
- Need a lot of time to think about shit
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p.s. I hope she'll be pointing out the various Arrivée/Arrivé howlers in good time ... ;)
We're still struggling with the name change to WWee to be fair.
ETA: I think the recent revamps are great, from a styling POV. The content is written by riders - they're not all literary gods - FFS get over it. It does what it does well - it's a niche mag written by (mostly) middle-aged blokes who:
- Hate their lives
- Self harm
- Like sniffing forecourt fumes
- Need a lot of time to think about shit
;D
Probably Definitely a bit harsh on my behalf, apologies.
I do like the majority of content, or at least see its place. But I don't like the styling. At all. I see it as a sideways step from what it was. But that's personal taste and what do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The other issues for me are the recent wave of megawank articles. And the image quality continues to annoy. But whatever, IDK.
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p.s. I hope she'll be pointing out the various Arrivée/Arrivé howlers in good time ... ;)
Nah. I don't read it. I find it pretty dull- most of the contributors can't write for shit.
There are doubtless exceptions, but as I can't read long blocks of what-I-did-on-my-holidays text, unless Mr Smith highlights that something is worth me struggling through, I don't bother.
I wouldn't dream of complaining though, the only ride report I've ever written wasn't fit for publication.
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(it's one of those words I never know how to spell. I'm jenrally an eggcellent spelluh, but have a few glaring blindspots. And that, sadly, is one of them :-[ )
It is actually easy to remember once someone points out that it has two wheels like a bicycle: pelOtOn...
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I wouldn't dream of complaining though, the only ride report I've ever written wasn't fit for publication.
Not even with asterisks?
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I think there's an optimal asterisk-to-letters ratio that it fell on the wrong side of?
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And the image quality continues to annoy.
I don't really know what the professionals do, to visualise what is essentially a CMYK process on an RGB monitor. All the various viewing profiles in Adobe's software only serve to confuse the issue. I expect the proper solutions are quite expensive. And if it's not being done properly then there's not a lot of point in spending too much time licking multitudes of varied submitted images into shape.
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And the image quality continues to annoy.
I don't really know what the professionals do, to visualise what is essentially a CMYK process on an RGB monitor. All the various viewing profiles in Adobe's software only serve to confuse the issue. I expect the proper solutions are quite expensive. And if it's not being done properly then there's not a lot of point in spending too much time licking multitudes of varied submitted images into shape.
Take better photos.
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I think there's an optimal asterisk-to-letters ratio that it fell on the wrong side of?
Maybe "....of which it fell on the wrong side" ? ::-)
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I don't really know what the professionals do, to visualise what is essentially a CMYK process on an RGB monitor.
We used to get Cromalin proofs, run off from a press-quality printer. But those printers are extremely expensive and the proofs cost upwards of £6 a sheet, so that's no longer commercially viable.
It's also time-consuming - if you don't have a Cromalin printer in-house, you have to send the pages off to the printer and wait for the proofs to be couriered back to you. Then go through the process again if the page requires corrections. And even if you do have a Cromalin printer in-house, you may find yourself at the back of a long queue when several titles are all going to press on the same day.
We also used to have the tech guys come round regularly to calibrate our monitors, but I don't know how much of a benefit that was. Colour correction was never my department anyway.
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I think there's an optimal asterisk-to-letters ratio that it fell on the wrong side of?
Maybe "....of which it fell on the wrong side" ? ::-)
Bloody Americans, coming over here, correcting our English...
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I think there's an optimal asterisk-to-letters ratio that it fell on the wrong side of?
Maybe "....of which it fell on the wrong side" ? ::-)
Shame you messed up the quoting.
If you're going to be pedantic, you could at least do it accurately. ::-)
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Bloody Americans, coming over here, correcting our English...
To whom are you referring?
BTW, I believe it should be: "Americans' "
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Americans' what?
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Americans' what?
People can be quite possessive about their language.
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Bloody Americans, coming over here, correcting our English...
To whom are you referring?
To whom is who referring?
(Hint: if you retain the attributions which are automatically inserted by the forum software, viz, the author and link to the post you have quoted, it makes it a fuck of a sight easier to follow what you're saying. Deliberately deleting them seems a little, um, contrary.)
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I don't really know what the professionals do, to visualise what is essentially a CMYK process on an RGB monitor.
We used to get Cromalin proofs, run off from a press-quality printer. But those printers are extremely expensive and the proofs cost upwards of £6 a sheet, so that's no longer commercially viable.
It's also time-consuming - if you don't have a Cromalin printer in-house, you have to send the pages off to the printer and wait for the proofs to be couriered back to you. Then go through the process again if the page requires corrections. And even if you do have a Cromalin printer in-house, you may find yourself at the back of a long queue when several titles are all going to press on the same day.
We also used to have the tech guys come round regularly to calibrate our monitors, but I don't know how much of a benefit that was. Colour correction was never my department anyway.
I’d say it’s less of wrong colour profiles and more of wrong shutter speeds.
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I’d say it’s less of wrong colour profiles and more of wrong shutter speeds.
Phone pics by cyclists on the move.
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I’d say it’s less of wrong colour profiles and more of wrong shutter speeds.
Most contributors are not professional writers, as noted upthread. Nor are they professional photographers.
That they keep contributing is the most important thing.
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Yes, that’s a given. But the words are similar to the past and the photos aren’t. I think Ian H makes a key point, probably the type of camera (and more contributors with them) than anything else.
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I've took plenty of photos with my phone on the move, that's a piss poor excuse. I just wouldn't dream of sharing, nevermind submitting to a magazine, a blurred or poor quality photo. Quality control, innit.
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(it's one of those words I never know how to spell. I'm jenrally an eggcellent spelluh, but have a few glaring blindspots. And that, sadly, is one of them :-[ )
It is actually easy to remember once someone points out that it has two wheels like a bicycle: pelOtOn...
So if I see Jim Hopper, Edwin Hargraves and Mark Gray on their trikes, that's a pOlOtOn?
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(it's one of those words I never know how to spell. I'm jenrally an eggcellent spelluh, but have a few glaring blindspots. And that, sadly, is one of them :-[ )
It is actually easy to remember once someone points out that it has two wheels like a bicycle: pelOtOn...
So if I see Jim Hopper, Edwin Hargraves and Mark Gray on their trikes, that's a pOlOtOn?
Do they have mallets with them?
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Quality control, innit.
You should see the ones that don't get used...
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Or for a group of laid back riders you could have a recumbOtrOn.
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Doesn't everyone carry their SLR, a range of lenses, programmable external flash, lens filters, a tripod, and a remote release with them on audaxes? Bloody amateurs!
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Quality control, innit.
You should see the ones that don't get used...
That's what terrifies me.
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Doesn't everyone carry their SLR, a range of lenses, programmable external flash, lens filters, a tripod, and a remote release with them on audaxes? Bloody amateurs!
A decent mirrorless camera and natural light will do.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/207us13.jpg)
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Doesn't everyone carry their SLR, a range of lenses, programmable external flash, lens filters, a tripod, and a remote release with them on audaxes? Bloody amateurs!
Ah, so Ivo OTP has shown you his packing for an Audax then ? :p
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While quality is important, newsworthiness or reader-interest are also considerations.
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That is quite true, the question though is what makes a story newsworthy enough to appear in a cycling club's magazine. If a story is compelling enough, it could be scratched out on any old piece of paper and be avidly read.
For me, I'm just not interested in rider stories unless there is an aspect to them that lifts my spirits in reading them, and "I did this", and "I did that" just doesn't fit the requirements.
I can readily see there is a difficulty for editors though, who knows what the reader wants to read unless there is feed-back of the content and the editors are willing (and have the time, recognising the editors of the fluttering ribbon magazine are volunteers) to take that on-board?
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I’d say it’s less of wrong colour profiles and more of wrong shutter speeds.
Most contributors are not professional writers, as noted upthread. Nor are they professional photographers.
That they keep contributing is the most important thing.
This.
In spades.
Picky spoilt brats seem to be criticising a magazine written by volunteers, edited by enthusiasts, that they receive for scant expense.
I like Arrivée. It's not perfect; nor are professionally produced things I see.
Let's not forget it is mostly written by and for our friends.
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Doesn't everyone carry their SLR, a range of lenses, programmable external flash, lens filters, a tripod, and a remote release with them on audaxes? Bloody amateurs!
A decent mirrorless camera and natural light will do.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/207us13.jpg)
That is all washed out, looks like the camera used struggled with the dynamic range, got anything better?
But this kind of illustrates the point. Riders submit the photos they have, to accompany their articles. They may not be the best but that does not matter. They have submitted them and taken the trouble to write an article. I don't sit here passing judgement.
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That is all washed out, looks like the camera used struggled with the dynamic range, got anything better?
But this kind of illustrates the point. Riders submit the photos they have, to accompany their articles. They may not be the best but that does not matter. They have submitted them and taken the trouble to write an article. I don't sit here passing judgement.
Oh, it's a shite photo, which is why it was never submitted to Arrivée or other publications, but you miss the point.
It's just a photo of someone giving a shit carrying a decent camera on a long ride. It can be done...
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That is all washed out, looks like the camera used struggled with the dynamic range, got anything better?
But this kind of illustrates the point. Riders submit the photos they have, to accompany their articles. They may not be the best but that does not matter. They have submitted them and taken the trouble to write an article. I don't sit here passing judgement.
Oh, it's a shite photo, which is why it was never submitted to Arrivée or other publications, but you miss the point.
It's just a photo of someone giving a shit carrying a decent camera on a long ride. It can be done...
I disagree on it being a shite photo, to me it captures an endless road into the setting sun... But that's probably illustrating the difference of assessing a photo on technical merit vrs artistic composition perhaps... :)
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I think it's a very good photo and truly captures the essence of randonneuring with the endless road disappearing into the sunset. Well done that man!