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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #25 on: 27 June, 2011, 01:27:00 pm »
I'm not sure you get a R1000 simply by riding a single 1000km event. As I understand it you need a minimum of 3 events to get an R1000.

Yup, the people that did just LEL in 2009 (such as Collin Ainsworth) aren't listed in the R1000 listings for 2009.

So I guess if one offers a R10,000, just keep riding 201 per day until fatigue sets in.
When it does, the DIY organiser should credit you with the distance rounded down to the nearest 100.

Not really. For a ride to be validated you need to nominate what you are going to achieve before starting and, when finished, submit the proof for validation.

You either complete what you set out to achieve or you don't. You don't get anything for bailing out part way or completing less than you said you would, even if you were 99% of the way through your nominated ride.

The Mile-eater award is simply a log of distance traveled. There's no forward planning or proof of any kind required.
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #26 on: 27 June, 2011, 01:27:59 pm »
... just keep riding 201 per day until fatigue sets in.
When it does, the DIY organiser should credit you with the distance rounded down to the nearest 100.

...provided (as I understand it) that you've previously stated that distance on your entry.        Edit: beaten to it by GB

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #27 on: 27 June, 2011, 03:06:17 pm »
A 2400km ride would be 240hrs but a 2500km ride would be 300hrs (24x12, +12).
Like all other DIY rides you'd need to specify controls at about 75-100km apart.
You could do it as a series of shorter rides and get the same points, but you'll have to be faster.
If you stopped halfway through a 2500 you'd get no points, so its a choice between shorter time or no points if anything happened.

Rich

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #28 on: 27 June, 2011, 05:38:57 pm »
So I guess if one offers a R10,000, just keep riding 201 per day until fatigue sets in.
When it does, the DIY organiser should credit you with the distance rounded down to the nearest 100.

Eh?

200km per day is simply the formula for calculating time allowed for rides greater than 2,499km. It does not mean you have to ride 200km per day.


No it doesn't. One can ride 200 km from 08:00 to 19:00 and then have a shower, change and a nice meal in a hotel along the route; a decent kip and a hearty breakfast before riding the next day's 200.

Now why would AUK print "for events over 2499 km, 200 km per day" and not "for events over 2499 km, 8.33 kmh"?


Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #29 on: 27 June, 2011, 06:20:31 pm »
Now why would AUK print "for events over 2499 km, 200 km per day" and not "for events over 2499 km, 8.33 kmh"?

Because it's a bit easier to understand, maybe?
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #30 on: 27 June, 2011, 06:24:15 pm »
200km per day is simply the formula for calculating time allowed for rides greater than 2,499km. It does not mean you have to ride 200km per day.

sure about that ?

I seem to recall a bit of a heated debate some years ago, when differing interpretations of that rule were deciding factors in the club points championship ;)

Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #31 on: 27 June, 2011, 06:26:22 pm »
200km per day is simply the formula for calculating time allowed for rides greater than 2,499km. It does not mean you have to ride 200km per day.

sure about that ?

I seem to recall a bit of a heated debate some years ago, when differing interpretations of that rule were deciding factors in the club points championship ;)

Well, I'm pretty sure about it.  ;D
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #32 on: 27 June, 2011, 06:37:29 pm »
An E2E BR only gets a R1000 badge ( plus the lovely E2E medal ) although its 1400.

Quote from: AUK web site
A Randonneur 1,000 has ridden 100, 200 and 300km events, plus others to a total of 1,000km, longer distances can substitute.

here

I would have thought the E2E BR was an excellent way to finish an AUK (as opposed to ACP) Brevet 5000

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #33 on: 27 June, 2011, 07:42:09 pm »
An E2E BR only gets a R1000 badge ( plus the lovely E2E medal ) although its 1400.

Quote from: AUK web site
A Randonneur 1,000 has ridden 100, 200 and 300km events, plus others to a total of 1,000km, longer distances can substitute.

here

I would have thought the E2E BR was an excellent way to finish an AUK (as opposed to ACP) Brevet 5000

Talking about slightly different things.  The Randonneur 1000 award is as described in the Handbook.  If you complete a 1000 km brevet at randonneur pace (75 hrs), you can purchase a 1000 km badge (and a medal) but I can't find the badge and medal gallery in the current website.  Longer rides can substitute for shorter, so you can complete E2E at randonneur pace and earn a 1000 ride award.
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #34 on: 27 June, 2011, 08:21:48 pm »
200km per day is simply the formula for calculating time allowed for rides greater than 2,499km. It does not mean you have to ride 200km per day.

sure about that ?

I seem to recall a bit of a heated debate some years ago, when differing interpretations of that rule were deciding factors in the club points championship ;)

wasn't it that they didn't ride 200 every day; and as a result picked up less points than intended?

btw I was intending to do a 1000km PROFS down France in 2012 but Sweden (with luggage) put me off the idea...

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #35 on: 27 June, 2011, 08:37:30 pm »
What's better for moral and happiness?

a/ 205 - 210 km per day and sleep in a hotel with good nosh, or

b/ Slog on to dusk and kip in a bus shelter?


b/ its supposed to be 'Self sufficiency'.... ain't it?  ;)

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #36 on: 27 June, 2011, 08:49:43 pm »

b/ its supposed to be 'Self sufficiency'.... ain't it?  ;)

on the ride yes; when the ride ends beer bed and nosh is obligatory

for me at least...

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #37 on: 27 June, 2011, 09:06:47 pm »
200km per day is simply the formula for calculating time allowed for rides greater than 2,499km. It does not mean you have to ride 200km per day.

sure about that ?

I seem to recall a bit of a heated debate some years ago, when differing interpretations of that rule were deciding factors in the club points championship ;)

wasn't it that they didn't ride 200 every day; and as a result picked up less points than intended?
Two groups riding the same route to different schedules got tangled up to the detriment of the more audacious group. It only became an 'issue' when it became apparent that this would decide the club championship (ref: Armstrong, 'every second counts; the problem is that at the time you don't know which seconds they are'). Several years later (...) we can agree a reasonable and amicable compromise was reached which did not in fact change the result of the championship.

At least not as much as the fact that for various reasons I DNF'd three 600s after 300km that year...

Alouicious

Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #38 on: 27 June, 2011, 09:10:38 pm »
Which raises the question about check/control points along the route being 'proofed' pro-rata.

Can you get to the first control at 32 kmh, the second control at 13 kmh but finish overall at 20 kmh?

Or have I missed something ?

I always thought each and every control had 15 - 30 kmh speed limits, and I plan my DIYs accordingly.

border-rider

Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #39 on: 27 June, 2011, 09:13:50 pm »
There's two answers to that question

The first is that some rides have variable speed limits as they progress, with the minimum speed getting more relaxed as the ride progresses

The second is that many orgs have a relaxed attitude to intermediate controls times as long as the ride is finished overall in within the max. time allowance

Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #40 on: 27 June, 2011, 09:26:06 pm »
What's better for moral and happiness?

a/ 205 - 210 km per day and sleep in a hotel with good nosh, or

b/ Slog on to dusk and kip in a bus shelter?


b/ its supposed to be 'Self sufficiency'.... ain't it?  ;)

It's supposed to be "long disatnce cycling".

If you say that X miles (in Z hours) is a long distance ride then how you achieve X miles in Z hours should be irrelevant.

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #41 on: 27 June, 2011, 10:26:23 pm »
Which raises the question about check/control points along the route being 'proofed' pro-rata.

Can you get to the first control at 32 kmh, the second control at 13 kmh but finish overall at 20 kmh?

Some people have had time added on for being too fast at intermediate controls, i.e.

200km event with a roaring tailwind for the first 80km and then the wind drops.

Riders complete the first 80km in 2 hours (thanks to the tailwind) and then take 6 hours to do the remaining 120km to the finish (doing a steady 20km per hour).

The riders were 40 minutes early at the first control, so this is added to the final ride time giving 8h40m. Still within time for a 200km ride though (there are scenarios where you could end up being out of time if you take too long coming back, despite finishing the whole thing within the time limit - don't know if this has ever actually happened or been enforced though).
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #42 on: 13 October, 2018, 10:20:10 pm »
On the other end of the scale, I don't know what the minumum speed for a DIY BP is - I've just had a friend complete a 50 at 14kpm (rather than 14.3). Is it worth submitting this result for validation?

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #43 on: 13 October, 2018, 11:09:08 pm »

Did we ever get confirmation on what the situation is for DIY's greater than 1000km ?

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #44 on: 14 October, 2018, 06:44:27 am »
On the other end of the scale, I don't know what the minumum speed for a DIY BP is - I've just had a friend complete a 50 at 14kpm (rather than 14.3). Is it worth submitting this result for validation?

Certainly. Minimum speed for DIYs under 200 km is 10km/hour.

Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #45 on: 14 October, 2018, 07:02:58 am »
Did we ever get confirmation on what the situation is for DIY's greater than 1000km ?

Isn't it in the post at the start of (page 1 of) this thread?

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #46 on: 14 October, 2018, 10:11:18 am »
... except the regulation quoted in the first post has been superseded, and the current version has detail differences germane both to 1000km and 2498km (original question and answer) distances.
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #47 on: 14 October, 2018, 10:52:51 am »
I haven't broken the 2500km+ DIY distance yet. Next year hopefully. But I assume as the rule says a minimum of 200km EVERY DAY. If I want to go and do 2x 300km days I do not assume I have a days rest. I do assume that if I start late on the first day I don't have to hit 200km, as with finishing on the final day. Just that every day in between needs to be 200km or more; that isn't to say I couldn't continue past midnight, have all day off for a bit of sight seeing and a nap, then begin late evening and continue through doing 200 |+100, 'day off', 100 |+200

Why do people ride 600km DIYs? Make it 700 and benefit from all the extra time to have a proper sleep (and go to the pub!)

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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #48 on: 14 October, 2018, 11:17:20 am »
But I assume as the rule says a minimum of 200km EVERY DAY. If I want to go and do 2x 300km days I do not assume I have a days rest.

That original post is 7 years old, and the rule doesn't say that any more.
The current equivalent text:
Quote
9.7.1 The minimum speeds are:
- for events registered as 200 to 600 km – set by the organiser within the range 14.3 to 15kph;
- for events registered as 700 to 1200 km - 13-1/3 kph;
- for events registered as 1300 to 1800 km - 12 kph;
- for events registered as 1900 to 2400 km - 10 kph; and
- for events registered as 2500 km and over - 8-1/3 kph.

So your only question now is, how much time flexibility do you have at intermediate stops (controls)?  Personally I think it's quite ridiculous to even think about passing times at unstaffed (includes all DIY) controls, but that's not the official view.  That said, I don't see a very long bike ride as an excuse for a serial sleepover (disclaimer, never done more than 1400km).

Looking at the 1000km question, the time limit is 75h (for exactly 1000) under the current regulation, but was 75h12m under the old regulation quoted in the OP.
The (hypothetical, I hope) 2498km would surely be 'registered as 2500' and not as a 2400, and so would have a time limit of 300h.
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Re: DIY minimum speed
« Reply #49 on: 14 October, 2018, 01:39:21 pm »
On the other end of the scale, I don't know what the minumum speed for a DIY BP is - I've just had a friend complete a 50 at 14kpm (rather than 14.3). Is it worth submitting this result for validation?

It would be what is on the entry form (or at least used to be in the days of proper entry forms), but since there's no official minimum speed for a BP (only a recommendation) then I would hope that the DIY organiser would validate it on the basis that they're generally looking for reasons to validate rides (not for reasons to prevent validation) and having the wrong minimum speed is just an administrative mistake.
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