Sleeper Train Reservations
To book rail tickets and reserve Sleepers, simply visit any main rail station or rail appointed travel agent. Alternatively you can book by phone using most credit/debit cards.
Caledonian Sleeper Telesales: 0330 06 00 500
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TICKET TYPE ROUTE
Club solo room supplement only With travel ticket
Ticket details:
This ticket has ben issued subject to the National Rail Conditions of Travel
Room supplements allow people who already hold National Rail tickets or those included in the list below to travel in rooms on board our service.
If you do not already hold one of these tickets and wish to travel with us, please do so by booking through this website or via our Guest Service Centre, but do not check the box for a Room Supplement. This will take you to our booking system for our dedicated tickets, which include your travel and accommodation, and do not require the purchase of an additional Room Supplement.
If all you have is a supplement then that has covered your berth and bike reservation but not travel.
The walk up fare for the journey is usually painful.
Had a look at my sleeper tickets for PBP but they mobile format PDFs so look nothing like that.
Do you remember? Did you click room supplement on the website when booking?
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When you buy a Ticket to travel on scheduled train services on the National Rail Network you
enter into a binding contract with each of the Train Companies whose trains your Ticket allows
you to use. The Conditions set out the rights and obligations of passengers and the Train
Companies listed in Appendix A.
A look at a reservation supplement that comes when you book a seat reservation with a standard ticket shows that it's a daily occurrence though they always included text saying its not a ticket.If all you have is a supplement then that has covered your berth and bike reservation but not travel.
The walk up fare for the journey is usually painful.
Had a look at my sleeper tickets for PBP but they mobile format PDFs so look nothing like that.
Do you remember? Did you click room supplement on the website when booking?
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Further research has indicated that you are right and that Serco will be expecting me to buy another ticket on top of this one at an extra £100 each way. However, I shall argue the toss with great force: the piece of paper I printed clearly states that it is a ticket: "This ticket has been issued subject to the National Rail Conditions of Travel". The tickets bear ticket numbers which are clearly labelled "Ticket number".
Part B of the National Rail Conditions of Travel state:QuoteWhen you buy a Ticket to travel on scheduled train services on the National Rail Network you
enter into a binding contract with each of the Train Companies whose trains your Ticket allows
you to use. The Conditions set out the rights and obligations of passengers and the Train
Companies listed in Appendix A.
Serco is one of the companies listed in Appendix A.
I find it hard to believe that a court of law would regard anything that the rail company has called a "ticket" and given a "ticket number" and that bears a date and time of travel, along with a coach and berth number, is anything other than a valid ticket.
You have used acronyms that are unfamiliar to me. "CAF" and "WABTEC" specifically.Sorry, that's the coach manufacturers for the sleeper and Inter7city respectively.
Dear Peter Walker
Please find your eTickets below.
Prior to travelling, please ensure you either download your tickets to your Apple Wallet, download the PDF tickets to your smart phone, or print the PDF tickets on to white A4 paper.
Enjoy your journey,
The Caledonian Sleeper Team
You'd think civil servants would have figured out how to write a commercial contract that discouraged such epic failures by now but this has been happening for at leatlst the last 30 years.
You can make a bike reservation (or seat reservation) on any train without having a ticket.Those contracts I refer to are written by the department for transport or their devolved equivalents, the franchisees do not own the rolling stock.
Unless you've missed something (or you get very lucky) you're likely on the hook for Super Off Peak Return (£147). If the guard follows Virgin's rule of only selling the highest priced ticket to ticketless travellers, they might ask you for £323 for an Anytime Return...You'd think civil servants would have figured out how to write a commercial contract that discouraged such epic failures by now but this has been happening for at leatlst the last 30 years.
AIUI All of the train contracts you refer to would have been written by the train companies. Our franchise system requires us to hand the keys to someone who doesn't know what they're doing every 8-15 years.
Thanks. I have had a conversation with an "ambassador" who was very rude and kept interrupting me. He did say that a lot of people have done exactly what I have done and given his initial conciliatory tone, I though I might be offered a discount. The ticket you mentioned comes out at £101.25 with the OBRC, so I phoned Serco again to confirm it would be valid on their train. He said it would, so that's saved me £99 over the price Scamco were going to charge. I told Twatty McTwatface that I was still going to complain about the fact that I had been mis-sold a ticket.There's no mechanism to check that someone who holds a:
I didn't know that you could make a bike reservation without a ticket. That's interesting. Can't think how it might be useful though...
Iirc The new rolling stock for Scottish services was specified and procured by transport Scotland and passed to a leasing company to manage.
The same structure iirc is used for the IEP (hst replacement)
I didn't know that you could make a bike reservation without a ticket. That's interesting. Can't think how it might be useful though...I sometimes get discounted EMT tickets from Megabus, but they don't offer train reservations, so getting them afterwards is very useful. I've also taken advantage of other online offers where booking the bike at the same time wasn't possible.
You've got to remember everything about the current system is "British Rail with a few half-arsed licks of paint", and back in the day when British Rail introduced seat reservation booking over the phone they wouldn't have had an easy way of checking if you had a ticket anyway. And with no online booking websites and cheap advances not really a thing it would have been reasonable to book a seat over the phone and then buy a ticket on the day you travel.
For anything from the BR era to change you'd need one of the train companies to really be motivated about changing it, and none of them have been.
(And of course the bike reservation system is just a lazy hack on top of the British Rail seat reservation system)Iirc The new rolling stock for Scottish services was specified and procured by transport Scotland and passed to a leasing company to manage.
The same structure iirc is used for the IEP (hst replacement)
The normal system is the bidders to make their own arrangements with train builders (and leasing companies) which are then activated when the bidder wins the franchise. The IEP model of the government writing the contract was a huge exception.