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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #75 on: 21 September, 2010, 11:28:24 am »
Halfords apparently can be good at ordering things for you sometimes, so perhaps it's worth asking about the light in question.
Not a bad idea; of course I don't know the model in "Bike Hut" speak, but if they have a catalogue with pictures ...
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #76 on: 22 September, 2010, 12:25:20 pm »
There seem to be two standard spacings for rack mounts, 5 and 8 cm. Many, but not all, racks simply have two slots in the plate to accommodate both. Some lights let you select which spacing you want to use by eg. inserting bolts into one of two pairs of holes, but with others you have to select the correct model at purchase. There are also racks with a plate which has only two holes fitted vertically above each other (I think Blackburn racks are like this), and others with no mounting plate whatsoever. Some standardisation might be beneficial for us poor users of these items.
The two holes, one above the other, is the old (as in used since well before WW2) standard fitting, used for reflectors & the like. The original Vistalite LED rear lights, & quite a few others, fit it. A stud to fit in one hole & stabilise the light, & a single bolt for the other hole. Neat & efficient, easy to fix lights to. It's long annoyed me that light manufacturers didn't stick with it as the sole standard.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #77 on: 22 September, 2010, 01:57:44 pm »
There's always someone on YACF who knows things like this. And it's wonderful that it is so!

That vertical spacing standard does seem to be still used for reflectors, including ones that are actually intended primarily for other mountings, such as on a brake bolt. And it was presumably still the standard in the mid '80s when I bought my Blackburn rack, which has those fittings and no others. As that rack does not fit any bike I have now, that is not an immediate problem. Why light manufacturers should have abandoned that standard I don't know - I can only suppose that the horizontal fittings allow for a wider light/reflector with a larger surface area - probably an advantage for a reflector rather than a light. It's interesting that the vertical fitting standard has been in use for so long, though.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #78 on: 22 September, 2010, 06:34:30 pm »
The Apollo light here used to be available through Chain Reaction (or maybe wiggle) for some crazy price, something nbetween £3 and £7 rings a bell.
At least as good as the german product in my view.
Us Lewisham Cyclists know a guy who bought loads for his school cycling club.
Very good though the control sequence of off/on/flashing/off forever perplexes me.
http://www.infini.tw/product_flashing_and_safety_lights_2.html
may be available in other markets of course - have seen some of their stuff on sale in Italy.

I bought a couple of these in 2008 from CRC (ain't google mail wonderful) and yes they are very good rack lights, and yes the button control sequence is completely mad.

I figured it out once but am now lost. At the end of a few Lewisham Cyclists ride, as we get off the train in the dark I'm often to be seen madly pressing the button. Sometimes when I think it's sorted the thing then goes out after a few secs.

The small flashing LED is involved somehow I know.

If you've sorted it and its no trouble, feel free to post here

(yes I know this sounds stupid to anyone who hasn't used it) :)

Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #79 on: 22 September, 2010, 07:39:47 pm »
Is this the same type of light

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=54000

But £28 a time  :hand:

Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #80 on: 22 September, 2010, 09:09:14 pm »
The description on CRC is rather vague, I mean is that the sensor version etc etc  ???

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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #81 on: 22 September, 2010, 09:21:56 pm »
Sometimes when I think it's sorted the thing then goes out after a few secs.

That's auto mode.  It should then light up if it senses darkness and vibration, with a 4 minute 'standlight'.


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The small flashing LED is involved somehow I know.

I can't remember the blink sequence of that, but it presumably does something to show when you've gone from 'auto' to 'on'.

Most of the time it simply functions as a "you are using NiMH batteries" (aka. battery low) indicator.  It's the opposite way round to the ones on B&M lights: it lights up when the voltage is low.

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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #82 on: 22 September, 2010, 10:39:45 pm »
The auto mode on the Infini works, but has a fairly dark definition of 'dark'.  If you stick a couple of layers of masking tape over the sensor it's a bit more useful.

The B&M lights (front and rear) with sensor modes do work well.

How useful this is depends on your bike and how you use it, I think.  If you're regularly locking up in public spaces or on railway station platforms and manually switching lights to 'off', it doesn't gain you much.  If your light's mounted somewhere you can't reach from the saddle it might be useful.  If you regularly ride through dense wood or tunnels, it's probably quite handy.


For my sins I have a 'brake' light on one of my bikes.  It uses a PIC microcontroller and spoke magnet to measure the speed of the rear wheel.  When there's a significant drop in speed, it lights up.  After a couple of seconds of no rotations it stops timing the wheel revs and goes into use-bugger-all-power mode to save battery.  It works, but I'm unconvinced of how useful it is.  It was a Sunday afternoon project to test a new PIC programmer.

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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #83 on: 22 September, 2010, 11:11:14 pm »
The B&M lights (front and rear) with sensor modes do work well.

How useful this is depends on your bike and how you use it, I think.  If you're regularly locking up in public spaces or on railway station platforms and manually switching lights to 'off', it doesn't gain you much.  If your light's mounted somewhere you can't reach from the saddle it might be useful.  If you regularly ride through dense wood or tunnels, it's probably quite handy.
There's a railway underpass that crosses beneath four widely-spaced tracks, which has a "headlights on" sign as you enter it. I used to go through this tunnel every Tuesday (to teach a student who lived on that side of town) and used to wish I had something similar. It wasn't quite long enough or dark enough to make it worthwhile stopping and turning on lights. I'm not sure, in fact, of the legal status of that sign as relating to bicycles - it may only legally apply to motor vehicles - but it would have been nice to be able to simply flick a switch and light up. With the year-round daytime headlight law we now have here, I wonder whether that sign is still used? Maybe I'll go and check one day.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #84 on: 23 September, 2010, 07:42:45 am »
Sometimes when I think it's sorted the thing then goes out after a few secs.

That's auto mode.  It should then light up if it senses darkness and vibration, with a 4 minute 'standlight'.


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The small flashing LED is involved somehow I know.

I can't remember the blink sequence of that, but it presumably does something to show when you've gone from 'auto' to 'on'.

Most of the time it simply functions as a "you are using NiMH batteries" (aka. battery low) indicator.  It's the opposite way round to the ones on B&M lights: it lights up when the voltage is low.

Thanks for that Kim - bike isn't with me at the moment but will check it out when reunited and get back via PM if it's still got me foxed.

Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #85 on: 23 September, 2010, 01:25:35 pm »
Is this the same type of light

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=54000

But £28 a time  :hand:
Fenders? It fits on the things my parents put on their boat to stop it graunching things when it bumps against them? Since when have bikes had such objects affixed?

I HATE it when USian is left untranslated in British ads.

Oh yeah - and what's with the 'rear tail light'? Are there front tail lights? Rear front lights? Shovel time!


BTW, Electra is a US firm selling lifestyle bikes, accessories & fashion. If this is a re-badged Spanninga light, it's had a huge markup added by Electra. :(
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #86 on: 23 September, 2010, 01:34:38 pm »
I've mudguard lights to be a bit iffy on modern light(ish) metalised plastic mudguards.  They tend to not be rigid enough to stop the light sometimes swishing the entire thing sideways, and causing it to wobble against the tyre.  I suspect that's one of the reasons that they've fallen out of favour, since the time of good solid metal mudguards.

Whilst I applaud the technology involved in Kim's brake light, I suspect timing wheel rotations to determine brake use is not really fast enough.  It's probably better done with a mercury switch, possibly with some debouncing code (to remove the effect of potholes), and probably experimentation with the exact orientation for optimal energising.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #87 on: 23 September, 2010, 02:54:02 pm »
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...mudguard lights to be a bit iffy on modern light(ish) metalised plastic mudguards.  They tend to not be rigid enough to stop the light sometimes swishing the entire thing sideways, and causing it to wobble against the tyre.  I suspect that's one of the reasons that they've fallen out of favour, since the time of good solid metal mudguards.

The plastic mudguard itself is flexy, but the metal stays should make it rigid enough for a dynamo or 2xAAA mudguard light.


Electra Townie Rear Tail Light | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
"Electra Townie Rear Tail Light"


looks almost exactly like the Spanninga SP XB/XBA:
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 If it's a re-branded Spanninga SP XB/XBA, then it should be 2 x AAA, not 2xD.

But £28 does seem a lot to pay for the light + re-branding/marketing.

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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #88 on: 23 September, 2010, 05:23:31 pm »
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #89 on: 28 September, 2010, 09:12:04 pm »
I eventually got around to ordering myself one of these, which arrived yesterday. I fixed it to my rack today after a little play but have yet to use it properly. It seems pretty bright and has a nice big reflector and lens. My only doubts would be the sensitivity of the auto function - it definitely seems to interpret dark as really dark, but as it has an on mode that's not really a bother - and possible water ingress through the join between lens and back at the bottom, which doesn't seem to seal properly. However, with the current weather I should be able to confirm or deny that pretty soon. Overall quality seems pretty solid.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #90 on: 11 October, 2010, 09:29:16 pm »
So, the battery version of the Spanninga Vector has an "auto" setting, in which it turns itself on and off according to a light and movement sensor. The dynamo version has a stand light, which Spanninga call "safe stop", whereby the light continues to shine for about 4mins 30secs after stopping. Great. I thought the standlight time applied to the battery version too - that would be sensible, surely, to ensure you don't become invisible to following traffic while waiting at a junction. But mine only lights for about 30s after stopping. That's not enough.

So I sent an email to Spanninga asking them about this. It seems I simply misread the website - I can't remember now if it was their website or the seller's I read, probably both - and 30s is the designed time for the battery version to stay alight. Full marks to Spanninga for replying to me within an hour or so of my emailing them.  :thumbsup: But I think I shall take care to wobble the bike under me while waiting at junctions in the dark (the motion sensor is very sensitive, and the darkness sensor seems appropriately set too).
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #92 on: 12 October, 2010, 02:17:20 pm »
So, the battery version of the Spanninga Vector has an "auto" setting, in which it turns itself on and off according to a light and movement sensor. ...

 - and 30s is the designed time for the battery version to stay alight. ... I think I shall take care to wobble the bike under me while waiting at junctions in the dark (the motion sensor is very sensitive, and the darkness sensor seems appropriately set too).
I used to have a light like that, until someone nicked it, complete with the rack it was firmly bolted to*. I found a little tap on the top tube with the knee of my right leg (the left was keeping me upright) would switch it back on.

*Unfortunately it was in the one bit of the bike racks outside Reading station not covered by CCTV at the time.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #93 on: 12 October, 2010, 03:20:24 pm »
You mean someone came along and unbolted the rack from your bike? Bloody hell, that's so deliberate it's almost nastier than stealing the whole bike.  :o

Thanks for the tip.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #94 on: 24 November, 2010, 01:21:09 pm »
Just to update on Spanninga battery mudguard rearlights, Velo Orange have had the new model Pixeo in stock at $20 for a few weeks.  I've just a couple of Pixeos arrive and will be fitting them shortly.  They are noticeably smaller than the XBA, barely longer than a AAA battery.

Spanninga Pixeo XS Fender BATTERY Tail Light
I look forward to the review  :thumbsup:

How much was the shipping? [yes,I've read their FAQ page ;)]
Is $40 under the UK tax threshold (which last time I read about it, noone could agree on) ?
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #95 on: 24 November, 2010, 01:25:55 pm »
You mean someone came along and unbolted the rack from your bike? Bloody hell, that's so deliberate it's almost nastier than stealing the whole bike.  :o
Yep. Bit of a shock when I got off the train & found it.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #96 on: 24 November, 2010, 01:28:24 pm »
Just to update on Spanninga battery mudguard rearlights, Velo Orange have had the new model Pixeo in stock at $20 for a few weeks.  I've just a couple of Pixeos arrive and will be fitting them shortly.  They are noticeably smaller than the XBA, barely longer than a AAA battery.

Spanninga Pixeo XS Fender BATTERY Tail Light
It's crazy to be buying European lights via the USA. For the love of all that's holy, can't anyone find a way to buy them from within the EU?

Think of what it saves on transport, as well as the avoidance of all the tax & other complications of transatlantic buying.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #97 on: 24 November, 2010, 01:29:10 pm »
I fitted an RSP Astrum on Mrs V's Super Galaxy at the weekend
This is as a backup / extra rear light.  Although it is probably brighter than the existing cateye tl1100 on a rack bracket

With a small amount of duct tape on the rear of the struts at the back of the rack the RSP  fitted fine with the supplied bracket.  Same bracket also fitted another ASP on the stays of the Roubaix

Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #98 on: 24 November, 2010, 01:38:17 pm »
Aha!

Spanninga Pixeo - €9,00 from Germany. Seek & ye shall find . . .

http://shop.flow-berlin.de/Spanninga-Pixeo-Batterie-Ruecklicht-fuer-Schutzblech

€14,00 for the automatic version. Smart battery lights for mudguard mounting €8.

Bloody hell! €20 shipping outside Germany! Not bloody worth it unless you're buying lots. Still, it shows there are vendors out there.
http://shop.flow-berlin.de/Versand

OK, here's another one. A bit more pricey, at €10.90, but shipping abroad is €14.90. Still expensive. :(
http://www.fahrradladen-berlin.de/versandkosten.html

Dutch - €9.95 + 13.95 shipping . . . for the automatic one.
http://www.fietspunt.nl/nl/Achterlicht-op-batterijen-Spanninga-Pixeo-led-automatisch-614-05314/
Looks & charges the same, but different name & with a sterling option at £8.25
http://www.veclo.com/nl/Achterlicht-op-batterijen-Spanninga-Pixeo-led-automatisch-614-05314/

I've found it at €8.50 in the Netherlands, but with no overseas shipping option.

And €7.95 + €14.50 shipping . . .
http://hollandbikeshop.com/index.php?cPath=89_109_558
All cheaper than $20, some a lot cheaper. At current exchange rates, two Pixeos plus shipping from Hollandbikeshop is about $40.40, so unless Velo-orange charges no shipping, it's cheaper, & with no worries about having to pay VAT plus admin charges on top.
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Re: Rear lights to fit on a rack
« Reply #99 on: 24 November, 2010, 03:18:15 pm »
Did I not post a link to the Polish site I got mine from, somewhere up thread? Not sure how much it would work at with shipping, but they were prompt and it's intra-EU at least. Here Rowery holenderskie  - RoweryStylowe.pl - rowery mÄ™skie i damskie, rowery miejskie, rowery elektryczne, rowery WrocÅ‚aw, Warszawa, Krakow, serwis rowerowy WrocÅ‚aw, sakwy rowerowe, torby rowerowe, rowery używane: OÅ›wietlenie OÅ›wietlenie tylne
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