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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #475 on: 11 December, 2016, 08:47:52 pm »
<...>  The problem with riding that bike in the winter is that it's disk brake pads last about 10 minutes.  But let's not get into this now

wet and skoggy conditions is the only reason i choose to ride disc braked bike, otherwise there's not much point in having disc brakes.. in my opinion.

but it's nearly always wet and skoggy in autumn and winter, and often warmer, but still wet and skoggy in spring and even summer... I suppose there are a few days when I'd ride with old fashioned rubber block brakes, but precious few... and I'd still have to get used to the variation in moderation.....
I’ve decided I’m not old. I’m 25 .....plus shipping and handling.

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #476 on: 12 December, 2016, 08:40:38 am »
Whoops yes, acycles in France..

Easy to mix up with www.cycletyres.fr, another Aladdin's cave of tyres. I’ve used both shops with success in the past.

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #477 on: 13 December, 2016, 07:47:56 pm »
Has anybody tried Bontrager AW2 Hard case Lite TLR as a winter tyre ? - they do them up to 32's

My Domane came with their R3's in 32mm (not tubeless) and I've been impressed for summer use, so thought I may try them when I go tubeless.

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #478 on: 15 December, 2016, 12:04:50 pm »
I have been impressed with the Bontrager tyres on my domane as well although I do not think present weather gives any indication of true winter experience.

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #479 on: 18 December, 2016, 03:15:28 pm »
What is the best way to patch a 2-3mm hole that the sealant won't seal at higher pressure? I have tried the MTB Anchovies that you push in but it just came out after a few hundred miles . Sorry if this has been covered I did read it all a while back.

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #480 on: 18 December, 2016, 08:31:32 pm »
Take it off and patch it from the inside

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #481 on: 24 December, 2016, 04:11:55 pm »

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #482 on: 24 December, 2016, 05:46:59 pm »
Every time this pops up in my Since You Were Away I read it as " Tubless for brummies".
Admission.  I'm actually not that fussed about cake.

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #483 on: 24 December, 2016, 06:16:03 pm »
Latest one year of tubeless blog update post here https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2016/12/24/whats-so-great-about-tubeless-tyres/

This doesn't reflect my experience at all. In fact beyond what you need to be tubeless (tubeless tape, tubeless valve, sealant, tubeless tyre) you don't need any specialist equipment at all.  Just tyre levers and a track pump.  I think possible ways for you to improve your technique are to dispense with the syringe at the time of mounting and just pour the sealant into the well of the tyre at the bottom that you leave open having mounted most of the tyre,  then roll the tyre round so that the open part is at the top and finish mounting the tyre.  Pre-wiping the outside walls with a strong washing-up liquid solution really helps the mounting. Then inflate like fuck with a track pump.  No need at all for an airshot.

The syringe is for topping up the sealant after a few months. Tubeless valves can be found pretty cheaply, and you can use gorilla tape instead of tubeless tape.

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #484 on: 24 December, 2016, 09:58:10 pm »
Latest one year of tubeless blog update post here https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2016/12/24/whats-so-great-about-tubeless-tyres/
I'm going to contradict your rather non-positive experience described in that blog post too. At least, since I clearly can't deny that that's your experience, I'll contrast it with mine which is reasonably summed up as 'hassle free and reliable'. I'm sure this comes down to all the variable factors, such as what sort of tyres and rims you have and their interaction, the type of puncture inducing hazards you encounter and possibly how you ride in some manner.

In 16,000 or so kilometres, I've had no issues resulting in a problem. The tyres can be fitted (but not removed, at least not by me) without tools and they inflate perfectly easily, after fitting from new, with a track pump. During those kilometres, I've only been with other cyclists for about 2,000km and have seen three, maybe four punctures, so it's not likely to be that the roads I'm on are puncture hazard free.

This is just in the interest of balance as my experience is a complete contrast to your comments in your blog.


Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #485 on: 24 December, 2016, 10:16:00 pm »
My experience is also positive. One amusement was removing a tyres and finding a thron through it. No evidence of air loss at all. I pulled the thorn out, remounted and inflated with sealant and it just didn't leak.

The only areas that I think are difficult are making sure tape is properly applied to avoid sealant and air getting underneath and, sometimes, if you move tyres between rims the residual Kate's on the bead can impact sealing.

I'm currently experimenting with a pair of Vitoria Voyager Hypers tubeless and the front has been losing pressure slowly, but flu has stopped me riding for three weeks, I expect it will be fine after one ride.

Mike

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #486 on: 25 December, 2016, 02:29:51 pm »
Latest one year of tubeless blog update post here https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2016/12/24/whats-so-great-about-tubeless-tyres/

This doesn't reflect my experience at all. In fact beyond what you need to be tubeless (tubeless tape, tubeless valve, sealant, tubeless tyre) you don't need any specialist equipment at all.  Just tyre levers and a track pump.  I think possible ways for you to improve your technique are to dispense with the syringe at the time of mounting and just pour the sealant into the well of the tyre at the bottom that you leave open having mounted most of the tyre,  then roll the tyre round so that the open part is at the top and finish mounting the tyre.  Pre-wiping the outside walls with a strong washing-up liquid solution really helps the mounting. Then inflate like fuck with a track pump.  No need at all for an airshot.

The syringe is for topping up the sealant after a few months. Tubeless valves can be found pretty cheaply, and you can use gorilla tape instead of tubeless tape.

I think I had one rim/tyre combination that worked with a track pump.  And that was a tubeless specific rim.  With the other 5 tyres I put on I tried the track pump but it simply didn't work. 
Definitely will try a "wipe" of washingup liquid solution before starting mounting the tyre instead of the "Stan's" method of spraying

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #487 on: 27 December, 2016, 07:29:39 pm »
Latest one year of tubeless blog update post here https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2016/12/24/whats-so-great-about-tubeless-tyres/

Can I check what tyres everyone is using as my experience so far hasn't been all that great. First of all I was using a IRC RBCC that suffered a catastrophic sidewall failure after 950 miles. My next tyre was a Fusion 5 All Weather that after 200 miles suffered a hole that wouldn't seal and then when I took it off and re-mounted will no longer inflate as the bead is now too loose. This means I'm now having to use it with a tube which seems to defeat the point.

The other thing to mention is that there are more options in the 23-28mm category than you have listed:

Fusion 5 in 3 types
IRC Roadlite
IRC RBCC
IRC X-Guard
Maxxis Padrone
Panaracer Type A Evo3

They are no doubt others that I have missed.

Phil W

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #488 on: 27 December, 2016, 07:43:39 pm »
I'm running Hutchinson Sector 28mm. Closing in on 40,000 miles of tubeless and no punctures so far. I too inflate with track pump and use an old sponge and wipe soapy Waterhouse rim  to form initial seal for inflation.

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #489 on: 27 December, 2016, 07:46:20 pm »
The IRC tyres seem pretty difficult to get hold of in the UK - in fact all the ones you list do, but the Panaracer looks interesting.  I wonder if there is a Panaracer Type D tubeless?  that would be ideal

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #490 on: 13 January, 2017, 09:45:55 pm »
Currently 3 different tyre types:

Schwalbe One Pro - fast and have been excellent tubeless. Set up easily. Mine are the first version. 28s come up around 31mm wide on 19mm internal rims.

Compass Bon Jon Pass - 35mm come up wider on 19mm internal rims. Fast and squishy. Been fine, but sidewalls might be fragile. Harder to set up.

Vittoria Voyager Hyper - not tubeless ready, so an experiment. However working fine at below 60psi (wouldn't go higher - they popped off at 80 with fairy liquid). 32s come up at 35 on 19internal rims. Also set up well, but obviously usual caveats apply about useage.



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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #491 on: 14 January, 2017, 04:35:19 pm »
Latest tubeless news from me

I've fitted non tubeless clinchers on the 3rd best bike instead of Schwalbe One.  I will go back to tubeless with Schwalbe One in the summer.   For winter use they aren't strong enough and as previously discussed the combination of high pressure and larger holes just doesn't work.  I didn't like to take a chance with the unknown pleasures of the various medium weight 23mm tubeless tyres listed above as it's an expensive experiment to try.

In other news I got some "Doc Blue" sealant from Ribble the other day.  For 500ml size it was competitively priced with Stan's Sealant.  As I understand it, Doc Blue is Stan's sealant rebadged for Schwalbe.  The pack I got came with a small bottle for injecting the stuff and a small but perfectly formed valve core extractor. 

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #492 on: 14 January, 2017, 05:20:09 pm »
Orangeseal is being punted as very good.

I'm going to try it out in some tubulars.

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #493 on: 14 January, 2017, 06:53:40 pm »
Orangeseal is being punted as very good.

I'm going to try it out in some tubulars.

Yes I saw that too

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #494 on: 02 February, 2017, 02:18:00 pm »
tubeless latest

I tried fitting some quite old 2" (50mm) Marathon Supremes on Velocity Blunt rims.  When I bought the 2" Supremes I thought they were supposed to be "tubeless ready"
Maybe they weren't.  Anyway I couldn't get them to reliably work.

So I got some 35mm Marathon Supremes new.  These went on the Blunts just fine and they ride nice.  Quite fast.  Nothing is going to make my Surly with hub gears, a rack and mudguards into a good climber but at least it zips along on the flat now

Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #495 on: 03 February, 2017, 09:25:29 am »
Well......
Last week I had a tubeless related accident with my "trusty" ghetto pop bottle inflator.   Yep,  it went pop at about 80psi while trying to seat a stubborn tyre.   Result was tyre still un seated and a broken little finger and part severed tendons in my middle and index fingers on my left hand - I was holding the exit tube of the bottle closed at the time .   The title of this thread has become very appropriate for me! 
It was a bottle I've been using for a year or so , whenever a track pump alone wouldn't work, and I wonder if that contributed - old bottle, plastic degraded, possibly scratched, weakened from many pressurisation cycles, etc, etc hindsight is a wonderful thing etc, etc lesson learnt the hard way .   
Just posting this as a warning just in case anyone else is using this method .   I've now taken delivery of an Airshot , which originally seemed expensive,  now seems cheap.   

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #496 on: 03 February, 2017, 09:55:17 am »
a broken little finger and part severed tendons in my middle and index fingers on my left hand -
Ouch!

Only 80psi did all that. We treat the energy stored in our tyres so casually.
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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #497 on: 03 February, 2017, 10:17:20 am »
Well......
Last week I had a tubeless related accident with my "trusty" ghetto pop bottle inflator.   Yep,  it went pop at about 80psi while trying to seat a stubborn tyre.   Result was tyre still un seated and a broken little finger and part severed tendons in my middle and index fingers on my left hand - I was holding the exit tube of the bottle closed at the time .   The title of this thread has become very appropriate for me! 
It was a bottle I've been using for a year or so , whenever a track pump alone wouldn't work, and I wonder if that contributed - old bottle, plastic degraded, possibly scratched, weakened from many pressurisation cycles, etc, etc hindsight is a wonderful thing etc, etc lesson learnt the hard way .   
Just posting this as a warning just in case anyone else is using this method .   I've now taken delivery of an Airshot , which originally seemed expensive,  now seems cheap.   

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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #498 on: 03 February, 2017, 10:26:54 am »
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Re: Tubeless for Dummies
« Reply #499 on: 03 February, 2017, 10:37:31 am »
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