Author Topic: Southend Cycle Town - part 2 (Read 241038 times)

Wowbagger · « **Reply #975 on:** 22 June, 2011, 10:21:10 am »

If you folded it up, couldn't you use a D-lock to hang it from the hoop?

delthebike · « **Reply #976 on:** 22 June, 2011, 10:35:30 am »

Quote from: Wowbagger on 22 June, 2011, 10:21:10 am

If you folded it up, couldn't you use a D-lock to hang it from the hoop?

It'll lock either way, just not as easy as a diamond frame. A bent would probably need a cable lock.

Riggers · « **Reply #977 on:** 22 June, 2011, 10:59:05 am »

… and is that a homemade 'R.I.P' by your front wheel?

delthebike · « **Reply #978 on:** 22 June, 2011, 11:01:26 am »

Quote from: Riggers on 22 June, 2011, 10:59:05 am

… and is that a homemade 'R.I.P' by your front wheel?

It's the last resting place of a bike thief caught near to this spot.

Er... Apparently!

Domestique · « **Reply #979 on:** 22 June, 2011, 03:57:12 pm »

Quote from: delthebike on 21 June, 2011, 12:33:52 pm

Sometime last Friday afternoon/Saturday morning a bike hoop has been clamped onto a lamp post adjacent to the row of shops. It seems my suggestion of adding cycle parking has found some funding.
Just here Clicky google map. Do we know of anymore?

Edit: It's the same as this one but in stainless steel and fitted onto a galvanised light column.

Noticed a few of these along Leigh Broadway today. Good idea

Adrian · « **Reply #980 on:** 22 June, 2011, 08:06:45 pm »

Quote from: Wowbagger on 22 June, 2011, 10:21:10 am

If you folded it up, couldn't you use a D-lock to hang it from the hoop?

or take it with you?

AndyK · « **Reply #981 on:** 06 July, 2011, 10:28:12 pm »

Dad angry after cyclist hit girl, 5, on pavement (From Echo)

clarion · « **Reply #982 on:** 07 July, 2011, 09:17:29 am »

I can see his point. It is stupid and dangerous. My kids rode on the pavement until I felt they were competent to use the road, but they were younger than 14 at that point.

The comments are par for any paper, really.

AndyK · « **Reply #983 on:** 25 July, 2011, 09:35:10 am »

There was a protest on the seafront at the weekend:

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/9157905.Protest_over__shared_space__on_Southend_seafront/

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand I see their point, on the other putting in crossings is pandering to drivers. If crossings are put in then drivers will again consider the area 'theirs' and anything else in the road as a trespasser on 'their' space. Left to me I would gate each end of the 'City Beach' - similar to the gates we have on village boundaries - and put up signs saying 'Pedestrianised area, drive slowly' or similar. I would endeavour to make the 'City Beach' stand out as not a road, rather than cave in to the traffic and put in crossings.

hellymedic · « **Reply #984 on:** 25 July, 2011, 02:03:08 pm »

'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.

ScumOfTheRoad · « **Reply #985 on:** 25 July, 2011, 02:09:14 pm »

Helly, that's an interestic statistic. Could you amplify a bit on that - not having a pop, genuinely interested in the debate.

hellymedic · « **Reply #986 on:** 25 July, 2011, 02:16:34 pm »

I can't remember the actual figures; I vaguely recall them from my partner VoleO'Speed who has blogged about the issue. I don't know his source either, I'm afraid.

[Edit] This blog http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2011/07/12/the-delusion-of-shared-space-as-an-urban-transport-panacea/

refers to TRRL data on http://www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/sharedspace/stage1/pdf/stage1.pdf (Warning! 48 page pdf!)

Bottom line: if there are more than a very few cars, pedestrians will cower at the sides of the streets.
Quelle surprise!

Regulator · « **Reply #987 on:** 25 July, 2011, 04:01:21 pm »

Quote from: hellymedic on 25 July, 2011, 02:03:08 pm

'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.

I would have to disagree with you on that Helly.

I've seen shared space work very well in Holland and Germany with quite heavy traffic flows. I think the principle aspect of getting it to work is educating drivers - that's where it will fall down in the UK.

Domestique · « **Reply #988 on:** 25 July, 2011, 04:26:02 pm »

Quote from: Regulator on 25 July, 2011, 04:01:21 pm

Quote from: hellymedic on 25 July, 2011, 02:03:08 pm
'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.

I would have to disagree with you on that Helly.

I've seen shared space work very well in Holland and Germany with quite heavy traffic flows. I think the principle aspect of getting it to work is educating drivers - that's where it will fall down in the UK.

It does work really well, from what I have seen in Holland and Germany. Not sure if I am right, but imo the 'Assumed Liability' law must have a big influence on motorists attitude.
I dont know how attitudes are going to change in the UK unless the law changes as well $:-\$ From what I see many motorists are quite prepared to take a chance when it comes to peds/cyclists.

Regulator · « **Reply #989 on:** 25 July, 2011, 04:29:05 pm »

Quote from: Domestique on 25 July, 2011, 04:26:02 pm

Quote from: Regulator on 25 July, 2011, 04:01:21 pm
Quote from: hellymedic on 25 July, 2011, 02:03:08 pm
'Shared space' cannot and will not work if motor vehicle flow exceeds about 2 per minute. I've not been to Southend but doubt that this sea front road is ever that quiet during the day.
Exhibition Road in That London will be next to demonstrate EPIC FAIL in this regard.

I would have to disagree with you on that Helly.

I've seen shared space work very well in Holland and Germany with quite heavy traffic flows. I think the principle aspect of getting it to work is educating drivers - that's where it will fall down in the UK.

It does work really well, from what I have seen in Holland and Germany. Not sure if I am right, but imo the 'Assumed Liability' law must have a big influence on motorists attitude.
I dont know how attitudes are going to change in the UK unless the law changes as well $:-\$ From what I see many motorists are quite prepared to take a chance when it comes to peds/cyclists.

Oh yes - I'd agree with the assumed liability bit as well. But even with that, it's about educating drivers. Drivers in Europe don;t seem to have the same 'entitlement' mentatlity that drivers here do...

Wendy · « **Reply #990 on:** 25 July, 2011, 04:46:32 pm »

Quote from: Regulator on 25 July, 2011, 04:29:05 pm

Oh yes - I'd agree with the assumed liability bit as well. But even with that, it's about educating drivers. Drivers in Europe don;t seem to have the same 'entitlement' mentatlity that drivers here do...

Assumed liability is one simple method for providing lessons and real financial pain to the motons, it's part of driver education.

AndyK · « **Reply #991 on:** 15 August, 2011, 12:12:10 pm »

We have new signs. Not sure how official they are. They looked a bit 'Blue Peter' to me.

Note in the second picture the sign is in completely the wrong place and will only be seen by drivers heading up towards Southchurch. Which says to me this is a well-meant amateur effort rather than anything to do with SBC.

Cudzoziemiec · « **Reply #992 on:** 15 August, 2011, 01:18:23 pm »

Those signs do look rather homemade. I don't know if this sign

has any official use in the UK.

I don't know Southend but I think shared space can work with heavy traffic. Often it simply has to, where there are no pavements in towns. Presumed liability (or whatever the phrase is) helps here, it's often the only reason traffic takes any notice of pedestrian crossings in Poland!* But even that won't make the traffic stop for you until you're on the crossing itself - UK drivers are generally some of the best worldwide for this anyway - so it also takes a bit of nerves/balls/courage, delete as preferred. Just step out and they will stop because they have to! Obviously this only works at town speeds, but that shouldn't be a problem on this beach road.

However, if you're having to cross the road in the first place, then it's not truly shared space.

*I don't think Poland has a general liability law in the way that Germany does, but there is a specific law applying to pedestrian crossings.

AndyK · « **Reply #993 on:** 15 August, 2011, 05:24:19 pm »

Went back for another look this afternoon. Definitely home-made.

Cudzoziemiec · « **Reply #994 on:** 15 August, 2011, 11:26:48 pm »

So own up - Nutty, Wow, FB or you?

AndyK · « **Reply #995 on:** 16 August, 2011, 09:28:04 am »

Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 15 August, 2011, 11:26:48 pm

So own up - Nutty, Wow, FB or you?

Not me. But following a recent incident there has been a lot of discussion regarding the issue of signs here. It could have been anyone.

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9178252.Young_boy_hit_by_CCTV_car_on_Southend_seafront/?ref=mc

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/9191167.Council_defends_shared_space_after_child_hurt_on_Southend_seafront/

delthebike · « **Reply #996 on:** 18 August, 2011, 06:29:21 am »

No shared space anywhere in SoS.
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9198041.Shared_spaces_still_legally_the_realm_of_cars__council_admits/

AndyK · « **Reply #997 on:** 18 August, 2011, 07:20:47 am »

Quote from: delthebike on 18 August, 2011, 06:29:21 am

No shared space anywhere in SoS.
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9198041.Shared_spaces_still_legally_the_realm_of_cars__council_admits/

I read that yesterday. It's a headline I have to disagree with:

realm (rlm)
n.
1. A community or territory over which a sovereign rules; a kingdom.

FatBloke · « **Reply #998 on:** 28 September, 2011, 07:19:16 am »

On my way home from work at about 17:30 yesterday evening there was a cyclist down just east of the casino on the cycle path. Didn't look good. Ambulance in attendance etc. etc. Anyone know what happened. It didn't look like a car was involved.

AndyK · « **Reply #999 on:** 28 September, 2011, 09:05:56 am »

I didn't see it, but I'm not surprised something happened there. That area is ignored by parking enforcement so the cycle path is used as a drop-off/pick-up bay for the casino.

Ps. Those Shared Space signs mentioned earlier have been removed.

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