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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #75 on: 23 June, 2018, 08:30:44 am »
Make a yacf form flag or pennant  :)
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #76 on: 23 June, 2018, 09:26:34 am »
Many years ago, I had a chat with a young lady called Helen at raindrop kites to make a couple of tenants with a dragon on them, they were superb, and I now have half a dozen pennants with different (and personal) designs.

Helen now makes trike / recumbent flags as part of her range

The multicat, Dragon and Celtic designs are all mine



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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #77 on: 23 June, 2018, 04:47:38 pm »
An Engerland flag?  ;D

I expect that would achieve a positive reaction from a certain subset of bad drivers, yes...
Surveys suggest a positive reaction from most English drivers people:

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The report, This Sceptred Isle, shows that only 61 per cent of the English said they associated the St George’s Cross with pride and patriotism, compared to 84 per cent of Scots and 86 per cent of Welsh, when asked about, respectively, the St Andrew’s Cross and the Red Dragon.

Almost a quarter (24 per cent), of the English said they considered their flag to be racist, compared to 10 per cent of Scots and seven per cent of Welsh, when asked about their own flags.
From 2012


Many of us don't consider the flag in any way racist - but we know it has been adopted by a noisy small racist minority :(

(I was a bit surprised that 10% of Scots felt that way. That's sad too.)
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #78 on: 23 June, 2018, 09:15:56 pm »
Is the proportion of bad drivers who are racist different to the general population? Does flying one make you liable to attack by an SNP motorized hit squad? Do Didcot Phoenix riders have to cover their jerseys when riding through Abingdon?
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #79 on: 24 June, 2018, 11:34:45 am »
I recall a bunch of USAnians who recycled old bicycles into choppers, whose members used to ride wearing their club logo on the back of their cutoff denim jackets.  Until a couple of representatives of their local outlaw motorcycle club "advised" them not to.
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #80 on: 24 June, 2018, 02:00:50 pm »
It's my impression in an entirely subjective way that cars are slightly better behaved if I have a daylight running "death power road drying laser" generator front light on during the day.  I think they think I am a motorbike

Again (also subjectively) it is easier to see riders who have daylight visible high powered rear flashers.  But I am always looking out for bikes when I am in a car so make what you will of that


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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #81 on: 24 July, 2018, 10:10:36 pm »
More blackmail from Trek on the Velonews site, camouflaged as 'sponsored editorial' or something. I refuse to read it. The photos look 'shopped.

https://www.velonews.com/2018/07/sponsored/the-science-of-being-seen_472689

Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #82 on: 25 July, 2018, 06:58:21 am »
An Engerland flag?  ;D

I expect that would achieve a positive reaction from a certain subset of bad drivers, yes...
Surveys suggest a positive reaction from most English drivers people:

Quote
The report, This Sceptred Isle, shows that only 61 per cent of the English said they associated the St George’s Cross with pride and patriotism, compared to 84 per cent of Scots and 86 per cent of Welsh, when asked about, respectively, the St Andrew’s Cross and the Red Dragon.

Almost a quarter (24 per cent), of the English said they considered their flag to be racist, compared to 10 per cent of Scots and seven per cent of Welsh, when asked about their own flags.
From 2012


Many of us don't consider the flag in any way racist - but we know it has been adopted by a noisy small racist minority :(

(I was a bit surprised that 10% of Scots felt that way. That's sad too.)

It is rather annoying.

I love dragons, but am not Welsh so looked for something similar. A white dragon, is an old British Symbol, has Arthurian connections, so and also dates back to the Bayeux Tapestry as a heraldic symbol, so it seemed an option

Only to find out that a "White Dragon", lie the St George's flag is used by a number of Right Wing Groups....


Luckily Helen's stylised dragons don't have these connotations

Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #83 on: 25 July, 2018, 07:02:31 am »
An Engerland flag?  ;D

A couple of weeks ago I was passing a pub in Gosport on the Kettwiesel, and someone shouted out... "That should be an England Flag"

My riposte..... "Why - I'm Scottish"

Didn't wait for their reply

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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #84 on: 25 July, 2018, 07:17:04 am »
I'm currently in a city that largely has paint for infrastructure, and has a lot of cyclists. In the UK we wouldn't think of them as cyclists as they have cargo bikes, sit up and begs, all manner of steeds. There is almost no lycra, helmets and not many lights. It's the capital of Germany.
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #85 on: 25 July, 2018, 08:26:37 am »
It's normally claimed the other way round; that in Britain those people are cyclists – people made somehow special by their choice of transport, whereas in Germany, Holland, etc, they are simply people using that transport to go about their lives. Cargo bike riders are definitely "cyclists" in the UK, due to their unusualness.
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #86 on: 25 July, 2018, 08:28:21 am »
An Engerland flag?  ;D

I expect that would achieve a positive reaction from a certain subset of bad drivers, yes...
Surveys suggest a positive reaction from most English drivers people:

Quote
The report, This Sceptred Isle, shows that only 61 per cent of the English said they associated the St George’s Cross with pride and patriotism, compared to 84 per cent of Scots and 86 per cent of Welsh, when asked about, respectively, the St Andrew’s Cross and the Red Dragon.

Almost a quarter (24 per cent), of the English said they considered their flag to be racist, compared to 10 per cent of Scots and seven per cent of Welsh, when asked about their own flags.
From 2012


Many of us don't consider the flag in any way racist - but we know it has been adopted by a noisy small racist minority :(

(I was a bit surprised that 10% of Scots felt that way. That's sad too.)

It is rather annoying.

I love dragons, but am not Welsh so looked for something similar. A white dragon, is an old British Symbol, has Arthurian connections, so and also dates back to the Bayeux Tapestry as a heraldic symbol, so it seemed an option

Only to find out that a "White Dragon", lie the St George's flag is used by a number of Right Wing Groups....


Luckily Helen's stylised dragons don't have these connotations
I thought that dragon was golden rather than white? On a red background? But whatever its colour, it's annoying the way various far right/racist/nationalist groups have co-opted historical symbols.
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #87 on: 25 July, 2018, 07:21:42 pm »
Lots of history and various argument for gold, white red and all whether some are Wyverns not Dragons

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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #88 on: 29 July, 2018, 11:55:39 am »
Many years ago, I had a chat with a young lady called Helen at raindrop kites to make a couple of tenants with a dragon on them, they were superb, and I now have half a dozen pennants with different (and personal) designs.

Helen now makes trike / recumbent flags as part of her range

The multicat, Dragon and Celtic designs are all mine

Here is mine, a custom osprey...


Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #89 on: 29 July, 2018, 06:15:10 pm »
"It's her own fault she was runover, she wasn't wearing a helmet". Becomes "well if you will ride around without day time lights on, it's your own fault you were a splatted across the road by my badly designed 44t death box"

...

If cyclists want to help cyclists, help people cycle without any judgementalism or requirements for specialist kit. Aka go Dutch.

I don't agree that cycling with a light on (or with a magic hat) is a vote for compulsion.  I do think that if people feel safer cycling with magic hats and lights on (or their wives/husbands/kids/parents think they're safer) they will cycle more, which is a good thing.

I think the correct approach would be to deal with the cause of the feeling of being unsafe, rather than addressing the feeling itself.
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I loathe daylight lights on bikes. And flashing lights at any time. I'm learning to cope with those feelings.

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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #90 on: 30 July, 2018, 07:19:45 pm »

I loathe daylight lights on bikes. And flashing lights at any time. I'm learning to cope with those feelings.

Ah, sorry about that. My shopper/load lugger (thank you Tim OTP) has permanent dynamo lighting. I'm too economically minded to buy a switchable light when I had a simple one in the parts bin .....
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #91 on: 30 July, 2018, 09:06:48 pm »
I went for a ride this morning with flashing front and rear lights. They made me feel more confident and comfortable
on the roads.

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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #92 on: 30 July, 2018, 09:36:34 pm »
I went for a ride this morning with flashing front and rear lights. They made me feel more confident and comfortable
on the roads.

What did the horse think of it?
It is simpler than it looks.

Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #93 on: 31 July, 2018, 05:46:34 am »
I went for a ride this morning with flashing front and rear lights. They made me feel more confident and comfortable
on the roads.

What did the horse think of it?
That it was a fine idea!

Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #94 on: 13 August, 2018, 05:53:39 pm »
I almost came a'cropper.

Pulling onto an A road at Stockbridge on Saturday. My back to the oncoming traffic (shallow angle junction), I was trying not to put a foot down, glancing over my shoulder at the oncoming traffic coming out a dark tunnel of trees. There was a gap, i started going, quickly realised it wasn't and had a panicked stop.
It was a grey car without DRL's, the only car in that sequence of cars without them.

Absolutely my own mistake, but it rather illustrated the POV's above that 'people' just start looking for lights in their peripheral vision rather than actually looking properly... 

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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #95 on: 13 August, 2018, 05:54:43 pm »
And also that grey cars should wear hi-vis.   :D

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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #96 on: 13 August, 2018, 06:11:20 pm »
And the difficulty of giving way to a stream of traffic you're joining at an acute angle. Also, possibly, the risks involved in trying not to put a foot down (or rather, in not coming to a stop – it's by no means a cycle thing; and I'd note that in some countries, there are no give way lines, only stop).
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #97 on: 15 August, 2018, 07:08:44 am »
I can believe DRLs give a benefit on quiet country roads in overcast weather, where drivers might be tempted to only glance around them for one of the 3 cars an hour that usually pass... But I can't see how that maps onto, for instance, busy cities with high levels of traffic and visual clutter!  :facepalm:

The main advantage I can see to them on cars in urban areas is being able to tell whether a 'parked' car is likely to move off.  Of course this only works consistently when DRLs are compulsory, and even then lamps can fail.  Perhaps more useful for making two-wheelers stand out, but I'm sceptical how useful this actually is (beyond the "that cyclist's left their lights on" effect) in normal daylight.
Since most DRLs inexplicably turn off with the handbrake, this wouldn't really work.  I know most lazy-arse drivers rarely use the handbrake once they've passed their test...
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Re: Daytime lights?
« Reply #98 on: 18 August, 2018, 09:17:53 pm »
It's my impression in an entirely subjective way that cars are slightly better behaved if I have a daylight running "death power road drying laser" generator front light on during the day.  I think they think I am a motorbike

Had that with an "Aquacars" driver in Porstsmouth


At the time I was running a Hope 3 LED light ( about 350 Lumens)

Approaching a junction, when "Aquacars" finest pulled out in front of me.

Braked to a stop about 18" from his door, with him now fully lit up along with the car

Me: Could you not see me, the lights are bright enough surely?

Aquacars: I bought you were a motorbike!

Me: So you saw me and thought I was a motorbike, but stilled pulled out?

Aquacars: Motorcycles have better brakes, and would have stopped quicker!

Me: So what you are saying is that whatever vehicle was coming along, you were going to pull out in front of them and force them to brake urgently?

Aquacars: Not my problem if you found it difficult to stop in time!




My only regret was that this was before I invested in a helmet cam!