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Title: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 28 December, 2018, 10:23:24 am
I was doing some forward planning for 2019 and have noticed that there is a new Travelodge in Gainsborough

Its less than 1 mile off route at 377km, just about perfect distance for a posh kip [imho]   

Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 28 December, 2018, 10:36:28 am
I was doing some forward planning for 2019 and have noticed that there is a new Travelodge in Gainsborough

Its less than 1 mile off route at 377km, just about perfect distance for a posh kip [imho]

Have you been to Gainsborough ?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 28 December, 2018, 10:38:27 am
I was doing some forward planning for 2019 and have noticed that there is a new Travelodge in Gainsborough

Its less than 1 mile off route at 377km, just about perfect distance for a posh kip [imho]

Have you been to Gainsborough ?
;)

yep.  (I meant relative to sleeping in a bus stop)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Smeth on 28 December, 2018, 01:20:59 pm
I was doing some forward planning for 2019 and have noticed that there is a new Travelodge in Gainsborough

Its less than 1 mile off route at 377km, just about perfect distance for a posh kip [imho]

Have you been to Gainsborough ?
;)

yep.  (I meant relative to sleeping in a bus stop)
I do recall someone curled up on a pallet of Fosters in the Jet 24hr a couple of years ago. Lavish.

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Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on 28 December, 2018, 06:21:24 pm
Gainsborough is the perfect distance for a stop.  I've slept on a piece of open ground there and then a couple of years ago under the entrance canopy of B&Q.  The change of route (Fenlands Friends?) had me worried about a kip stop last year but (un)fortunately I DNSed due to a bout of the trots.  Travelodge sounds excellent.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Redlight on 28 December, 2018, 09:15:10 pm
If I recall, in 2014 it got very chilly overnight and several people attempted to sleep on the floor in the Gainsborough service station shop, much to the tolerant bemusement of the staff.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: alotronic on 01 January, 2019, 10:19:44 pm
If I recall, in 2014 it got very chilly overnight and several people attempted to sleep on the floor in the Gainsborough service station shop, much to the tolerant bemusement of the staff.

Indeed, the staff there seem to be broadly tolerant of people sleeping on anything they can find - I expect their profits for 1-4am are somewhat low normally!
To answer originial poster Gainsborough would be about perfect for a stop. I have done goole (too early) and scunthorpe (a bit of a phaff) and bus shelter near Lincoln (wet, horrid) and once right through (grim) so 370k or thereabouts would be good providing you can get there in reasonable time as you could avoid the early morning slow down you inevitably get on a 600.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: longflaps on 09 May, 2019, 04:37:45 pm
I was doing some forward planning for 2019 and have noticed that there is a new Travelodge in Gainsborough

Its less than 1 mile off route at 377km, just about perfect distance for a posh kip [imho]

Have you been to Gainsborough ?
;)

yep.  (I meant relative to sleeping in a bus stop)
I do recall someone curled up on a pallet of Fosters in the Jet 24hr a couple of years ago. Lavish.

Sent from my SM-J510FN using Tapatalk

Just made a booking for the Travelodge. I've never slept in a hotel on an event before so this is going to be a total treat.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: lmm on 09 May, 2019, 06:30:36 pm
Wish I'd seen this thread earlier - booked in Goole as the halfway point without realising this would mean a 4AM departure to hit the next control in time.

On the plus side this lends itself to making a very clear decision about whether I'm doing the second half. (First 600 so while I do intend to finish, I'm not gonna burn my boats either).
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: oggy on 10 May, 2019, 09:33:43 am
weather looks it might be interesting

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/71a3a9aa-5d70-4183-9911-7c94e553037c
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 10 May, 2019, 10:18:10 am
My overnight stay on the edge of Lincoln is sorted.

Not really studying weather that far out.   The met at work sees a return to seasonal/above seasonal temps next week which will be more than welcome.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: yanto on 10 May, 2019, 05:12:21 pm
Met is saying cool wet and windy (my bold).

"Rain will become increasingly likely in many parts of the UK from Thursday into Friday along with strengthening winds, particularly in the southwest. These winds will lower daytime temperatures below the seasonal average. The weather for next weekend looks likely to continue in the same unsettled vein, with showers or longer spells of rain for many. Daytime temperatures are expected to stay on the cool side in the south and east but frost is not likely here."
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: FifeingEejit on 10 May, 2019, 06:19:14 pm
The German model says wet and windy, the Canadian one says dry and windy.
Both agree that wind is from the east.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Pedal Castro on 11 May, 2019, 01:08:37 pm
Sleaford Travelodge booked, aiming to get there before 1am and leave at 6.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 12 May, 2019, 07:29:19 am
Sleaford Travelodge booked, aiming to get there before 1am and leave at 6.

That was what I did in 2016 and it was fine, although as I recall it wasn't a particularly windy edition.  It makes for a nice short second day. 
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 12 May, 2019, 11:13:08 am
Ive booked the travelodge Gainsborough 377km.  Still pondering whether to go full gentlemans autobus option and kip there til the last possible moment circa 7am or to just grab a shower and catnap. 

The former is tempting but i like getting under the “200km to go” point early as possible on day 2 of a 600 so i’ll probably stop there only relatively fleetingly.   

Graeme
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 12 May, 2019, 01:59:19 pm
Information for the arrivee: Angel and Harp have agreed to do food to 21:00 Sunday, though with a reduced menu choice. Pizzas are always good there ...
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 12 May, 2019, 08:55:01 pm
Sleaford Travelodge booked, aiming to get there before 1am and leave at 6.

That was what I did in 2016 and it was fine, although as I recall it wasn't a particularly windy edition.  It makes for a nice short second day.

Crikey, that's quick!  I didn't manage to get to Sleaford on my routecheck until about 4am this morning ... fortunately, the McDonald's is fully open 24 hours, so I kipped on a couch for an hour or so, as I was the only customer.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Dai P on 12 May, 2019, 10:04:10 pm
Have also gone for the Gainsbourg Travelodge but suspect I might have to cancel booking, or just use it as a refresh stop, being on the slower end of the spectrum I suspect it will be a doss in a bus shelter if I am going to make Arrive before last orders for pizza! Weather will be the main factor for a decent kip or not.. looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 12 May, 2019, 10:06:54 pm
I’m looking forward to a string of ‘spoons visits.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 May, 2019, 09:57:35 am
I managed to avoid all 'Spoons on my route-check ride (https://www.strava.com/activities/2362788577) over the weekend  :thumbsup: 

FWIW, a few tweaks needed to the routesheet for missing/reappearing signs, etc., and the GPS files are tested and available here (https://www.tomsk.co.uk/the-flatlands-600/2019/).
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: JohnL on 14 May, 2019, 10:38:49 am
I downloaded the gpx yesterday, it says a minor change for a beep location. If I’m just following the lines, nothing changes does it??

Thanks

John
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 May, 2019, 10:58:49 am
I downloaded the gpx yesterday, it says a minor change for a beep location. If I’m just following the lines, nothing changes does it??

Nothing changes on anything except stage 8, where it now ends 100m later right next to the Green Wellie, that's all.  If you're following the North and South 300km legs, or the full route in one, then no change apart from the beep.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: JohnL on 14 May, 2019, 01:36:33 pm
Cool. If anyone sees a trikie looking confused at the end of leg 8, drag me over to the control!

John
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: GavinC on 14 May, 2019, 03:08:55 pm
I rode along very briefly with Tom just outside Saffron Walden today as he was finishing his routecheck. Even with 580k in his legs compared to about 40k in mine, he was still able to leave me for dust  :-[
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 15 May, 2019, 06:34:26 am
I rode along very briefly with Tom just outside Saffron Walden today as he was finishing his routecheck. Even with 580k in his legs compared to about 40k in mine, he was still able to leave me for dust  :-[

At last I was running on a [late] full breakfast from The Welly. At my first stop of the day at Sleaford McD's around 5, they were closed for 'essential maintenance'. Too early at Spalding for the 'spoons, so had to make do with Greggs [plan was to waste a bit of time at McD's and time it right, but too cold to hang about]. Once the easterly picked up it was a bit of a slog across the last bit of flat stuff and my average speed tumbled for the first time. By the time the mountain of bacon, Lincolnshire sausages, black pudding, fried bread, mushrooms, saute potatoes, eggs and beans had settled I was flying.  :thumbsup:

Also, by chance, rode with Richard Lake, [Audax Club Lincolnshire] along the Trent at sunset, towards the Keadby Bridge.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 16 May, 2019, 07:02:52 am
Route sheet glitches on stage 4 Boston to Kirton: missed one of Wilkyboy's corrections - it's 2nd L after sharp RH bend [not LH!] $ TATTERSHALL THORPE

Also, at Goole [stage 5] the new roads and RBTs confused me at late o'clock: so long as you go over the M62 and SO $ Rawcliffe you'll be ok. The gps tracks are spot on, just don't go onto the motorway! The old route [Anderson Rd, Rawcliffe Rd] would be better at an earlier hour, but later on Saturday the new bypass will be quiet - it's a bit shorter and a better surface too. Just watch for the odd lorry from the Eddie Stobart and Tesco distribution centres heading onto the M62.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 16 May, 2019, 07:22:26 am
I asked my dad (like I asked last year) if he fancied driving down from Brid at silly o’clock to meet me at Goole McD, so I could see him (and have a kip in his car), and he said “no” (like he did last year). It’ll be an Audax hotel again somewhere!
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 16 May, 2019, 08:51:48 am
Also, at Goole [stage 5] the new roads and RBTs confused me at late o'clock: so long as you go over the M62 and SO $ Rawcliffe you'll be ok. The gps tracks are spot on, just don't go onto the motorway! The old route [Anderson Rd, Rawcliffe Rd] would be better at an earlier hour, but later on Saturday the new bypass will be quiet - it's a bit shorter and a better surface too. Just watch for the odd lorry from the Eddie Stobart and Tesco distribution centres heading onto the M62.

I'll need to remember that as I'm using a GPS file constructed from my last ride in Sep-17 (I do remember the new fast roads from last year).   It handles my off-course excursion to my overnight stop at 400k without fiddling.   To be honest I think I can do most of this from memory now.

Forecast looks pretty benign.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 16 May, 2019, 11:13:16 am
Wagons will roll at 0540 tomorrow from Edinburgh Waverley.  Heading to the Travelodge Great Dunmow via Liverpool St and either B. Stortford or Braintree.   

I had contemplated bivvying and saving the refundable cost of the T'lodge in Gainsborough Saturday night but while the weather forecast remains reasonably benign the prospect of some rain showers has made me go for the softy option.

Planning to meet up for a quick hello with my son as the route helpfully goes right past his bedroom window at 567.5 km. 

Hoping that he will be awake by then....mid afternoon Sunday....so 50/50.       
 
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 16 May, 2019, 11:21:16 am
Planning to meet up for a quick hello with my son as the route helpfully goes right past his bedroom window at 567.5 km. 

Hoping that he will be awake by then....mid afternoon Sunday....so 50/50.       

He's a student, isn't he  ::-)  (I recognise the distance — I passed the end of our lane at about 562km)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 16 May, 2019, 12:09:31 pm
Planning to meet up for a quick hello with my son as the route helpfully goes right past his bedroom window at 567.5 km. 

Hoping that he will be awake by then....mid afternoon Sunday....so 50/50.       

He's a student, isn't he  ::-)  (I recognise the distance — I passed the end of our lane at about 562km)

Yup. St Catharine's College.  Excellent of Tomsk to facilitate this without any route deviation.   
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 16 May, 2019, 12:34:24 pm
Yup.   

 :thumbsup:

I'll need to remember that as I'm using a GPS file constructed from my last ride in Sep-17 (I do remember the new fast roads from last year).   It handles my off-course excursion to my overnight stop at 400k without fiddling.   To be honest I think I can do most of this from memory now.

You could use the 300km northbound GPS file and then switch back to your's for off-coursiness on the return leg?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 16 May, 2019, 01:16:14 pm
I'll need to remember that as I'm using a GPS file constructed from my last ride in Sep-17 (I do remember the new fast roads from last year).   It handles my off-course excursion to my overnight stop at 400k without fiddling.   To be honest I think I can do most of this from memory now.

You could use the 300km northbound GPS file and then switch back to your's for off-coursiness on the return leg?

Cheers.   Makes sense.   I've already uploaded everything for the weekend so probably will minimise the faff and leave everything as is.

I have looked at the old track and I'm not entirely sure what I was doing in a couple of places but I'm sure all will be fine.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: grams on 16 May, 2019, 09:53:37 pm
Just remembered to check the route to see if the steep cobbled descent in Lincoln is still on the route, and yes it is. Looks to me like the best way to avoid it is turning right at the roundabout by the 24 hour Shell garage and rejoining the route at the bottom of the hill.

(The routesheet does cover both routes - But who reads those? 😁)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: alotronic on 17 May, 2019, 02:38:40 pm
Just remembered to check the route to see if the steep cobbled descent in Lincoln is still on the route, and yes it is. Looks to me like the best way to avoid it is turning right at the roundabout by the 24 hour Shell garage and rejoining the route at the bottom of the hill.

(The routesheet does cover both routes - But who reads those? 😁)

The cobbled descent is a highlight... if you don't go that way you miss the Cathedral.... and what is Audax without a train/native animal/architectural element?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: psyclist on 18 May, 2019, 01:36:00 pm
Possibly a little light rain for the riders at the start, but soon brightening up. Do we know how many set off?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 18 May, 2019, 02:48:21 pm
97 started, 73 on the 06:00, 10 at 06:30 and 14 at 07:00. One DNF [unwell, p+nct#r@$] - train back from Peterborough. Apparently wetter and windier in the Fens than here this morning ...
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 19 May, 2019, 05:20:30 am
97 started, 73 on the 06:00, 10 at 06:30 and 14 at 07:00. One DNF [unwell, p+nct#r@$] - train back from Peterborough. Apparently wetter and windier in the Fens than here this morning ...

Wind was very light Nthly all day.  Drizzled quite a lot and I had a good hour of rain around Boston.   Setting off from Lincoln 6am for the last 200k.  Quite foggy here.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: grams on 19 May, 2019, 06:00:44 am
Lots of rain and drizzle up to Boston for me yesterday. All but a couple of the wind turbines around have been stationary and pointing all directions.

Currently extracting Full Value from Gainsborough Travelodge.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 19 May, 2019, 06:33:08 am
One more DNF reported in: ran out of steam in Boston.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: alotronic on 19 May, 2019, 09:45:59 am
And me... Feeling fast and strong (for me) but three hours of soaking rain left me very unenthused at Boston. I thought not having done the proper Flatlands since 2016 I could handle the drudgery and traffic but it turns out I was wrong. Will be some good fast time though as wind was low to zero. This has various knock-on effects for the season, now have to do Windsor-Chester-Windsor IF I can still be arsed with PBP. At least WCW is all new roads ;-) Will give myself a few days to think about it all and see how much my hissy fit is momentary or systematic. Is this the year I fall out of love with rides that normal people think is long - 60 miles with a cake stop?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: psyclist on 19 May, 2019, 09:57:47 am
And me...

Sorry to hear that. But do keep in mind that the weather in France in August is bound to be comparatively very nice (don't quote me!), and Flatlands is not a walk in the park for a number of reasons, which you've just reminded yourself about. WCW does look like a superb alternative, with many familiar faces signed-up, but unfortunately it clashed for me.

And then there's Normandicat ...
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Pedal Castro on 19 May, 2019, 09:57:53 am
Having packed everything in the car Friday evening due to a poor night’s sleep and other stuff I decided early yesterday morning not to ride. Seems like a good decision now  ::-)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 19 May, 2019, 10:28:59 am
And me... Feeling fast and strong (for me) but three hours of soaking rain left me very unenthused at Boston. I thought not having done the proper Flatlands since 2016 I could handle the drudgery and traffic but it turns out I was wrong. Will be some good fast time though as wind was low to zero. This has various knock-on effects for the season, now have to do Windsor-Chester-Windsor IF I can still be arsed with PBP. At least WCW is all new roads ;-) Will give myself a few days to think about it all and see how much my hissy fit is momentary or systematic. Is this the year I fall out of love with rides that normal people think is long - 60 miles with a cake stop?

Sorry to hear that, Al.  I'll hopefully see you on WCW where I'll make you feel better by being a lot slower than you up the hills ...
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Oli L on 19 May, 2019, 04:35:52 pm
I was DNF number 1. My first pack in five years of audaxing and I am still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

Probably combination of factors, came in underprepared after night shifts earlier this week. Weather worse than forecasts I had seen, and recent head cold settling nicely onto my chest, so feeling generally a bit run down.

Got wet early with the rain and probably worked too hard too early, and so got sweaty, and perhaps my waterproof kept that moisture in? Despite wearing a merino baselayer, rapha wool jersey and waterproof top layer, I just felt crap. Perhaps more the illness than anything else, you don't always know how the body will respond when you push a little even through a relatively minor illness.

Got second p#$%&%$e of two (both rear) a few miles short of whittlesey control. Took my time fixing it as my head was gone and I had mentally given up, did at least find the 2mm shard of glass that was twice my undoing during a thorough inspection of the tyre. I then put every piece of clothing I had with me on and soft pedalled to Peterborough station.

Then got quite hot and sweaty cycling from bishops stortford to gt dunmow to collect my rucksack, as it was 15oC, barely a breath of wind and the sun was out!!!

PBP qualification now near impossible (I would have to enter Tom's A&S 400k, travel down again from Scotland and miss my Dad's 70th...no.). Not my year this year.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Von Broad on 19 May, 2019, 05:16:16 pm
and recent head cold settling nicely onto my chest, so feeling generally a bit run down.

Which is the reason I was a DNS earlier in the week. I was trying to convince myself from Wednesday that I'd probably be ok, but common sense got the better of me [I'm not inferring you don't don't have any common sense btw :)], and there was no way I was going to be ok. It's so easy to play games internally with these things, but you've got to be right for a distance like this, it's a big ask of your resources, and if you're not in good shape from the outset, then the body will let you know for sure. Others may disagree, but it just doesn't do us any good to try and override these messages.
 
Bad luck on the PBP qualification [might there be another way and you can still qualify and still get to your your Dads 70th? ...where there's a will there's a way, and all that.] Not sure of your age, but there will be another one along on 4 yrs. And time passes very quickly.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on 19 May, 2019, 05:43:07 pm
I was DNF number 1. My first pack in five years of audaxing and I am still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

Probably combination of factors, came in underprepared after night shifts earlier this week. Weather worse than forecasts I had seen, and recent head cold settling nicely onto my chest, so feeling generally a bit run down.

Got wet early with the rain and probably worked too hard too early, and so got sweaty, and perhaps my waterproof kept that moisture in? Despite wearing a merino baselayer, rapha wool jersey and waterproof top layer, I just felt crap. Perhaps more the illness than anything else, you don't always know how the body will respond when you push a little even through a relatively minor illness.

Got second p#$%&%$e of two (both rear) a few miles short of whittlesey control. Took my time fixing it as my head was gone and I had mentally given up, did at least find the 2mm shard of glass that was twice my undoing during a thorough inspection of the tyre. I then put every piece of clothing I had with me on and soft pedalled to Peterborough station.

Then got quite hot and sweaty cycling from bishops stortford to gt dunmow to collect my rucksack, as it was 15oC, barely a breath of wind and the sun was out!!!

PBP qualification now near impossible (I would have to enter Tom's A&S 400k, travel down again from Scotland and miss my Dad's 70th...no.). Not my year this year.
I heard there's a Kendall 600 (?) last night which might be closer?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Oli L on 19 May, 2019, 06:08:47 pm
Was using this as my 300km as not many events generally up my way. Also I work one in three weekends which has made my calendar a nightmare.

Agree with above post, if even remotely sick I don't think any distance over maybe 200km is really doable, for me anyway.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 19 May, 2019, 06:32:00 pm
I rode with quite a few riders as they passed through our village of Girton, just north of Cambridge, chatting about their rides so far.  In the end I was out for five hours and rode 90km going back and forth.  Ride report — more importantly photos of riders in varying states of coherence! — to follow shortly  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 19 May, 2019, 07:06:48 pm
97 started, 73 on the 06:00, 10 at 06:30 and 14 at 07:00. One DNF [unwell, p+nct#r@$] - train back from Peterborough. Apparently wetter and windier in the Fens than here this morning ...

Wind was very light Nthly all day.  Drizzled quite a lot and I had a good hour of rain around Boston.   Setting off from Lincoln 6am for the last 200k.  Quite foggy here.

Quoting the right post this time.

Took ages to get going.  Bounced through Sleaford and then had a coffee stop at Spalding.  Used the Green Welly for the first time and then rode through to the finish.

Today felt quite easy with a very gentle push from the North all day.   Anyway PBP qualification now sorted.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 19 May, 2019, 08:37:41 pm
Sometimes things do not go your way, all packed and ready to go by Thursday, then the after effects of my back wheel being caught in a drain and me hitting a bus after Velo Birmingham came to prominence. The bus is alright , as is my bike, but the Big Saxon is heavily bruised from the shin to the foot and in pain.

Got to get the body and head right if the Essex SR is to remain the target for this year, still a few chances to get it done.

Well done to all my fellow Flatlanders who have qualified for PBP, I am settling for a week riding in Italy instead this year.   
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 19 May, 2019, 10:32:10 pm
I was DNF number 1. My first pack in five years of audaxing and I am still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

Probably combination of factors, came in underprepared after night shifts earlier this week. Weather worse than forecasts I had seen, and recent head cold settling nicely onto my chest, so feeling generally a bit run down.

Got wet early with the rain and probably worked too hard too early, and so got sweaty, and perhaps my waterproof kept that moisture in? Despite wearing a merino baselayer, rapha wool jersey and waterproof top layer, I just felt crap. Perhaps more the illness than anything else, you don't always know how the body will respond when you push a little even through a relatively minor illness.

Got second p#$%&%$e of two (both rear) a few miles short of whittlesey control. Took my time fixing it as my head was gone and I had mentally given up, did at least find the 2mm shard of glass that was twice my undoing during a thorough inspection of the tyre. I then put every piece of clothing I had with me on and soft pedalled to Peterborough station.

Then got quite hot and sweaty cycling from bishops stortford to gt dunmow to collect my rucksack, as it was 15oC, barely a breath of wind and the sun was out!!!

PBP qualification now near impossible (I would have to enter Tom's A&S 400k, travel down again from Scotland and miss my Dad's 70th...no.). Not my year this year.
sorry to hear that Oli.

I looked for your time at the finish. 

You missed nice warm sunshine late Sunday morning/pm along with a tailwind, but you also dodged a pea souper from about 5am - 8am that made the bit i rode from Gainsborough to just shy of Sleaford a big grim. 
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on 19 May, 2019, 11:26:36 pm
As promised, some of my photos here:

https://www.tomsk.co.uk/the-flatlands-600/2019/photos/ (https://www.tomsk.co.uk/the-flatlands-600/2019/photos/)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 20 May, 2019, 06:48:54 am
^ Thanks Wilkyboy - many riders commented on how cheered they were to see you!

Commiserations to the DNFs - several still unaccounted for  ::-), unless they were super-fast and I'll get a brevet in the post from them in due course ...

Thanks to all my helpers for making the arrivee easy and fun. The Angel and Harp were happy, with a fair bit of of food coming out fairly late for riders, though as expected many were still full of Green Welly nosh. After the Sunday Dinner punters had gone it was fairly quiet for them, apart from the lively but harmless troupe of young TOWIE hominids at the other end of the beer garden. I think Mrs Tomsk taught a few of them at primary school - once left alone to wait for the tail enders, I recognised a few names including the girl in her class who was on 'Love Island' a few years ago.

I'll let the dust settle for a few days, in case I get a postal finish or two, then deal with the data. One piece of left luggage unclaimed too.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: rob on 20 May, 2019, 09:44:08 am
Managed to ride into work this morning quite slowly.   Off for breakfast number 2 now.

As I was packing my stuff back into the car I noticed a large number of riders coming into and out of the Dourdain Pavilion.   There was a big Islington CC banner.   Does anyone know if this was the weekend of their 200k or another sportive ?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: grams on 20 May, 2019, 10:17:59 am
Yep, the Great Escape non-audax* was this Sunday. It shares 14 km of the route from Howlett End to Great Dunmow, probably passing through mid-afternoon. I did mention our little ride on the club forum so people could say hello.

* It’s not a sportive, it’s a “reliability ride”.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 20 May, 2019, 11:38:19 am
Thanks Tomsk for another cracking event. 

Atfter something of a mix up i made a fast getaway in a taxi driven by a distant relative of the late Ayrton Senna.  On arrival at Bishops Stortford station i kissed the ground.  A train appeared immediately.

Physically all ok other than some inner thigh rubbage which im putting down to the fact i had an extra pair of tights on over my bib shorts rather than leg warmers.  Skin repair gel is doing its stuff admirably. 

Short ride this morning from Bishopsgate to KX was plenty.  Now speeding north on the 1100 to Edinburgh and ahem catching up on work stuff.  Im booked into my regular Monday spin class @ 1730 which i will use as recovery.

Ride highlights

Green Welly breakfast which fuelled the final 80km
diverting via Sleaford Maccy Ds when i was flagging a bit
the lovely warm mistral tailwind to the finish.

Ride lowlights

 jobsworth at Gainsborough Travelodge who told me that technically id given up my right to a room that had been booked and paid for (edit - as a result of arriving at 2am)
really looking forward to fish and chips and Kirton only to find that it came with the skin still on.  Actual boak.   :sick:

Thats a place at PBP confirmed, and my 15th SR. 
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 20 May, 2019, 12:26:20 pm
As promised, some of my photos here:

https://www.tomsk.co.uk/the-flatlands-600/2019/photos/ (https://www.tomsk.co.uk/the-flatlands-600/2019/photos/)
Great pics, Nick, but where am I? I rode from Goole with Nick J, thinking I’d not seen him for a while. Then he told me about his disagreement with a car, every limb broken, and more. Great that it hasn’t put him off.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Alex B on 20 May, 2019, 12:32:25 pm
jobsworth at Gainsborough Travelodge who told me that technically id given up my right to a room that had been booked and paid for (edit - as a result of arriving at 2am)

Not sure where the 2am time come from, but Travelodge operate a "relocation policy" - when you book you agree that they may offer offer you an alternative hotel if when you arrive your room has been double-booked. There's been some recent rumblings in the media about this, e.g. here in The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/8461154/hotels-overbook-force-go-another-property/).

No such problems with Premier Inn AFAICS - and no problem with my arrival at Canwick, not least because nigeld had got there 20 minutes before me and alerted them to roll out the red carpet in readiness  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: grams on 20 May, 2019, 12:48:34 pm
jobsworth at Gainsborough Travelodge who told me that technically id given up my right to a room that had been booked and paid for (edit - as a result of arriving at 2am)

I had much the same conversation (at 1:30). The gist I got was that the computer system wants no shows to be purged from the system by 2 am for whatever reason. I told him there were likely people on the road behind me, and he said they'd all get rooms, he would just need to rebook them somehow.

So I *think* that - as an overnight hotel clerk - purging the no shows is the most exciting part of the shift, and he was just oversharing by telling us all about it rather than STFU and giving us our keys.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: lmm on 20 May, 2019, 01:05:20 pm
Turns out 600s are harder than 300s, who knew? Once I'd made the Gainsborough control with 7 minutes in hand (after a good 4 hour sleep in the Premier Inn) I felt home free, but in fact I was chasing the cutoffs all day. Cambridge was a high note (as was Goole by twilight on Saturday), but the final run through darkening lanes was a real slog, as I was demoralisingly forced to accept that I would miss the pizza cut off. (The real sting in the tail was still to come though, as Google tried to trick me into riding down woodland footpaths for Stansted, all the while worrying about whether station staff were going to take issue with the bike...)

Great route (though I definitely saw my life before my eyes on those cobbles), great weather, and some great moments - thanks again to Tomsk. Not sure if I was lanterne rouge in the end (at 39:20 or thereabouts) but it's the finishing that counts. I'll definitely be looking for a 400 (which may well be Kingdom of the East Saxons) to round out my SR though rather than another 600 as I'd once thought.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: alotronic on 20 May, 2019, 01:57:57 pm
Well done finishers! I remembered that I wrote this about the last one I did, and it might now be worth a read... Chapeau!

There is no easy six hundred
You’ll hear Tomsk say repeatedly
You blithely ignore the wisdom of those words
And sign up naive, somewhat enthusiastically

This naivety can last all day
As you tick of the funny spots
The Mountain Rescue Team, Peak Hill
And other witty bon-mots.

You’ll prowl the endless fields of brassicas
Grinning with the joys
Of a tailwind on the way out
That flatters men from boys.

Even a pile of swedes
The highest thing around
Becomes a pleasant artistic piece
A turner-winning mound.

For the roads may never ascend, and the roads they never go down
But the Flatlands roads double the distance betwixt every town


More in the spoiler...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Phil W on 20 May, 2019, 02:36:01 pm
jobsworth at Gainsborough Travelodge who told me that technically id given up my right to a room that had been booked and paid for (edit - as a result of arriving at 2am)

We had booked saver rate York Travelodge rooms for the Friday night of the Easter Arrow. This was before we found out Martin wasn't allowing Thu night starts.  So we went for a Friday 6am start.  We rang the Travelodge to let them know we might be arriving in the early hours. We checked in to the Travelodge a bit before 6am Saturday.  It wasn't a problem, we were clearly still in their computer system, and we got a few hours sleep out the rooms before breakfast at the Wetberspoons and the train back. The rooms have a 12pm checkout. They really should not be overbooking rooms especially when you have paid a non refundable amount.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: hellymedic on 20 May, 2019, 02:55:20 pm
I think it's wise to phone these hotels if you are likely to arrive late, especially if you'd arrive in 'normal sleeping hours'. It might even merit two calls to allow for staff shift changes.

Shame about the hold muzak and sometimes pricy premium phone numbers...
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: bairn again on 20 May, 2019, 03:20:20 pm
jobsworth at Gainsborough Travelodge who told me that technically id given up my right to a room that had been booked and paid for (edit - as a result of arriving at 2am)

I had much the same conversation (at 1:30). The gist I got was that the computer system wants no shows to be purged from the system by 2 am for whatever reason. I told him there were likely people on the road behind me, and he said they'd all get rooms, he would just need to rebook them somehow.

So I *think* that - as an overnight hotel clerk - purging the no shows is the most exciting part of the shift, and he was just oversharing by telling us all about it rather than STFU and giving us our keys.
Aye he was OK in the end but we did have a Pythonesque exchange initially.

Him - “my system says youre not here”

Me - “well look at me cos self evidently i am here arent i?”

Him (reluctantly) - “suppose so”

   ;D
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Phil W on 20 May, 2019, 03:31:16 pm
I feel a poem coming from Alotronic about a dead Travelodge booking
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 20 May, 2019, 07:18:30 pm
Lost Property:

One woolly hat, black, left at St Mary's Centre.

Pair of trainers, from the sleepover.

Cateye rear light, found in bits on the road and returned by a kind rider.

Any takers?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Touring Sec on 20 May, 2019, 08:00:59 pm
I think it's wise to phone these hotels if you are likely to arrive late, especially if you'd arrive in 'normal sleeping hours'. It might even merit two calls to allow for staff shift changes.

Shame about the hold muzak and sometimes pricy premium phone numbers...

Always done that in the passed but Travelodge only list a central number now that charges at a massive rate. No issues at Sleaford @2:20am although Einstein on the desk had no idea what the difference between a double and twin room was, but did whistle up a single bed in double time. Shame I was looking forward to a bit of spooning it still beats a bus shelter. :)
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: York_Badger on 21 May, 2019, 06:33:21 pm
Highlights:

1. Well matched two/threesome with Bob (Oxford) and Owen (Wongers Wheelers).  A highly competent team for sniffing out Co-ops and Weatherspoons.

2. Steak and Onion Pie from Kirton Lindsay chippy. A delight of the senses. Small portion of chips there fed about half a dozen.

3. Shortcut after dusk via short section of dirt road from Swinefleet to Crowle - goes past the spooky peat works.

And lowlights:

1. Torrential rain, and then more some, from Spalding to Boston.  Just when I thought it couldn't rain any harder it did.

2. Not being able to see Lincoln cathedral from top of Steep Hill because of scaffolding.  Surprisingly busy B road from Lincoln to Sleaford (and uncomfortable in mist).

3. Deferred breakfast in Sleaford as arrived in town too early so had to pedal on to Spalding.

So on the scheme of these things a pretty feeble list of negatives.

Thanks for all the organisation. Check in  table at the pub was a welcome sight too. Sorry I couldn't stay for pizza. As someone else observed the bike route ("route 16") west of Dunmow towards Stortford was a bit of a joke so I gave up on it after 3km.  Slept well Sunday night.


Stephen

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Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 21 May, 2019, 06:43:32 pm
Highlights:

1. Well matched two/threesome with Bob (Oxford) and Owen (Wongers Wheelers).  A highly competent team for sniffing out Co-ops and Weatherspoons.

2. Steak and Onion Pie from Kirton Lindsay chippy. A delight of the senses. Small portion of chips there fed about half a dozen.


Stephen

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Was it you who left the chips next to me on the seat outside the co-op? Many thanks. I ended up eating so many that I felt stuffed all the way to Goole McD and didn’t eat chips again until Gainsborough McD.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: York_Badger on 22 May, 2019, 05:42:30 am
That's good - so nothing was wasted then!

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Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: longflaps on 22 May, 2019, 02:01:50 pm
Highlights:

1. Well matched two/threesome with Bob (Oxford) and Owen (Wongers Wheelers).  A highly competent team for sniffing out Co-ops and Weatherspoons.

2. Steak and Onion Pie from Kirton Lindsay chippy. A delight of the senses. Small portion of chips there fed about half a dozen.

3. Shortcut after dusk via short section of dirt road from Swinefleet to Crowle - goes past the spooky peat works.

And lowlights:

1. Torrential rain, and then more some, from Spalding to Boston.  Just when I thought it couldn't rain any harder it did.

2. Not being able to see Lincoln cathedral from top of Steep Hill because of scaffolding.  Surprisingly busy B road from Lincoln to Sleaford (and uncomfortable in mist).

3. Deferred breakfast in Sleaford as arrived in town too early so had to pedal on to Spalding.

So on the scheme of these things a pretty feeble list of negatives.

Thanks for all the organisation. Check in  table at the pub was a welcome sight too. Sorry I couldn't stay for pizza. As someone else observed the bike route ("route 16") west of Dunmow towards Stortford was a bit of a joke so I gave up on it after 3km.  Slept well Sunday night.


Stephen

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Yes, good riding with you and Owen. To add to your highlights I must thank bairn again [and sorry to learn you DNF'd] for the inspired suggestion to book the Travelodge at Gainsborough. Having a proper warm, dry bed and hot shower to look forward to really helped spur me along for the first 377k of the ride. The Full English at Spalding Weatherspoon's (where we once again met the ubiquotous Ricky trio) was a welcome bonus which rendered me incapable of helping the same Ricky finish off his chicken and chips at the fab caf Green Welly. No pudding for him then, while I enjoyed a wonderful apple crumble and custard while watching a surprising number of cyclists go straight past.

While the dense mist was a downer, it helped perhaps to appreciate the sunshine and warmth that little bit more when it finally did manage to burn the grey fug away. Always a pleasure to pass through Cambridge and sorry to have missed wilkyboy of Autumnal fame on that stretch.

After some faffing around rather lumpy lanes the drones of aircraft had never sounded so sweet as we eventually clambered into Great Dunmow (by this time in tandem with the Ricky trio) and into the arrivee. Thanks to Tom and helpers for putting on a great show and enabling me to proudly possess my first cloth 600 badge and medal. O, and enabling me to proceeed to go at PBP. Also thanks to York-Badger and various others for the company - it's certainly easier in company than riding solo! Looking forward to more ride reports and catching up in France.
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Deano4 on 22 May, 2019, 06:24:02 pm
First of all: many thanks to Tomsk and all the familiar faces of the help out army!

Control 1: Red Lodge
After a tea and some snacks I left Dunmow at 06:00hrs and made my way to Red Lodge some 61km away. There was some light drizzle when I left so I put my water proofs on but it soon stopped, so I had to stop and take them off again.

Nick kindly stamped my card at the cafe and I went inside and had some beans on toast.

Control 2: Whittlesey
The rolling hills of Essex would soon be a memory as I headed for Whittlesey and into the flat fens of Cambridgeshire. The wind was still behaving quite nicely and whenever I looked at my speedo it showed I was travelling at 15mph, a rare occurrence for me. Normally I also show the miles travelled but I find that I am always counting down how much further it is until the next control / finish, so this time I had just displayed the time and current speed. That way I could roughly work out how much time I had before the control closed and then how long I could stop for when I got there. This seemed to be a much better approach and kept the mind focused in the present.

Approaching the Wetherspoons in Whittlesey the rain started to pour. I wasn't sure if it was strong enough to put the water proofs back on yet and as I was nearly at the control I left them off and got a bit damp!

Control 4: Boston
After my vegetable wrap it was still raining, so the waterproofs came back on. It was raining on and off on the next stage and by the time I got to Boston it was mostly on! I think the wind had also joined in to create some real misery.

I had a real bad patch on this stage. I think it was just the weather which had turned and made a bit of tiredness but it made me question why I was doing these long distance bike rides? What is the actual point? Do I really want to do double this distance in France in a couple of months?

After fighting through the rain and traffic into Boston I controlled at the McDonalds. The strawberry milkshake normally lifts my mood but on this case it didn't. I think deep down though, I knew this was just a bad patch and I just had to push through it.

Control 5: Kirton in Lindsey
It wasn't until I was some way into the next stage to Kirton in Lindsey that I got over it and my mood improved. Probably because it had stopped raining? It also turning it out to be a nice evening and I started to enjoy it.

My speed was still up and my legs weren't complaining yet. Using the timer on my speedo also helped avoiding the dreaded energy lose that I have been experiencing lately between each food / cafe stop. Once every hour I would eat one of my cereal bars and then on every half hour I would eat a pear drop. This also gave me something to look forward too.

I controlled in Kirton at the CO-OP and explained what I as doing to the lady at the till. Not sure if she was impressed or thought I was mad or a bit of both? Either way though she wished me luck in finding a dry bit of field to sleep in later than night!

Control 6: Goole
The next stage to Goole wasn't very long! I managed to find one of my 'short cuts' which usually invovle some comedy off road and lifting of the bike over small gates and things. This time was no exception as I went down a path into a wind farm. I should have taken some more pictures as the wind mill - power generators were quite impressive up close, not to mention huge. Anyway, to get out I had to lift the bike over a small locked gate and then rejoin the road.

On the arrow earlier this year I really struggled to climb up the bridge which leads to the roundabout to the McDonalds, I had no trouble this time. So I was quite pleased about that.

Control 7: Gainsborough
Another short stage to Gainsborough next into the night and more than half way through, which is always an encouraging thought. Retracing the route out of Goole I saw some other riders still on their in, which is another a mental boost - even though it’s not a race of course.

After the sun went down it started to get cold. I had already put on my night kit (mainly my water proofs and an extra jumper) but it wasn't quite cold enough for the jumper so I had to take that off after 15 minutes or so.
 
I got to the petrol station and bought a hot chocolate and then moved on to the next control to Sleaford. Just as  I was leaving a drunk local appeared and was arguing with himself on his way into the station. It wouldn’t be an audax without at least one intoxicated person in the middle of the night. I got out of there as quickly as I could on my way to Seaford.

Control 8: Sleaford
I had trouble staying awake on this stage but realised I had plenty of time in hand. Foolishly though I had left my bivvy bag at home as I was planning just to ride straight through the night like I did last time. Still, I was falling asleep on the bike so would have to make do without it. I found a secluded spot in a field which looked dry and set a timer on my phone to wake me up in half an hour. I laid on my side and tucked my hands between my thighs to keep them warm and it felt like I was asleep instantly. The cold woke me up before my alarm with 11 minutes to spare. I did feel a bit better and set off to continue on to Sleaford.

However a little bit later on the sleepiness came back and so I found another field to sleep in until I got cold again. I repeated this process a few more times until eventually the sun rose and my body clock reset. In the last field I was treated to hearing some owls call to each other.

The sun may have been rising but it was still really cold and it there was a deep fog as well. With all the stops it was a really slow 56km but eventually I arrived at the Sleaford McDonalds ready to start the second day.

Control 9: Chatteris
The last two stages were the longest and I wasn't looking forward to them, but best to get it over with I guess!

It seamed to take a really long time for the sun to burn the fog off but eventually it did. That being said I still wasn't brave enough to take off my long sleeve jersey. Working the zip was a good compromise though.

To break up this stage (and because I had the rare luxury of plenty of time) I stopped in the Whittlesey Wetherspoons again for some porridge and then finished the last 13 miles to Chatteris.

Control 10: Great Dunmow
The final stage and the return of the hills some were welcome and made a change some were just too steep for my tired legs: looking at you Saffron Walden. I took the direct route from Cambridge back to Great Dunmow.

I walked into the control at The Angel and Harp and found Tom, Grant and his army of helpers stamping cards. I added mine to the list and then ordered myself a coke and pizza.

Thanks again to Tomsk and all the helpers for making it happen.

Same again next month on the Fenland Friends?
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 22 May, 2019, 06:44:00 pm
Great report, Deano. The broccoli and Stilton soup (along with a pint and crisps) at Boston ‘spoons might have lifted your mood. Worked for me!
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Deano4 on 22 May, 2019, 06:58:04 pm
Great report, Deano. The broccoli and Stilton soup (along with a pint and crisps) at Boston ‘spoons might have lifted your mood. Worked for me!

Thanks! It was good seeing you again. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flatlands 600 : Great Dunmow : 18 / 19 May 2019
Post by: Tomsk on 23 May, 2019, 08:38:30 pm
Chasing up a lost-in-the-post brevet  ::-) ... data uploading is on hold for a few days.