Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?

[Martin]

Looking at this weekend, Tour of the Hills has 2300m of climbing. If I ECE it up to a 200km, and the ECE part has an additional 1100m of climbing, would the 2.25AAA be upgraded to 3.5 if I mandatory route the ECE part?

You will be awarded the total AAA for the whole ECE minus the AAA awarded for the TotH; which will keep its 2.25AAA.

[j_a_m_e_s_]

So it will be 2.25 + 1?
Or will it be 2.25 + 0, as the ECE alone doesn't qualify?

[Martin]

It will be 2.25 plus whatever extra AAA your device measures for the total ride minus 2.25

[j_a_m_e_s_]

It will be 2.25 plus whatever extra AAA your device measures for the total ride minus 2.25

The penny has dropped! Thankyou.

[Martin]

Following on from the Cambridge Pork Pie thread there's a bit of a record being set by Audax Club Mid Essex ATM;

if there's enough interest I'm happy to set up a prize for the club with the most ECE's; in true AUK tradition it will be based on most km extended in a year



http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=ECE01
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=ECER01
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=ECER02
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=ECER03

[GdS]

I've had a few emails from riders trying to enter ECEs on the new website and hitting a problem. This is compounded by there being no link to email me in these circumstances.

If all else fails you can enter the ECE the old school way by searching Malins in the text search here, it will show all the ECEs

https://audax.uk/choose-a-ride/permanent-events/

note you will still have to email me with the calendar event and ECE route details separately

Thanks

[bhoot]

If you do have a problem entering via the new event entry screen linked to the calendar event, please do go ahead and enter as Martin has explained if it is urgent, but if you could also drop a quick mail to webcontent@audax.uk saying which calendar event you are trying to extend, and what (if any) errors you see. It would be useful to understand and hopefully correct any issues.

[GdS]

Thanks bhoot; in the most recent cases it was due to the calendar event not having all the entrants on the online start list.
I think the suggestion of a warning that a rider has not entered (or is not on the start list) rather than a hard block is a good one. There may be occasions where a rider wishes to ECE an event but enter on the day.

[GdS]

I am aware of a glitch in the payment screen* if you have uploaded a GPX, please ride anyway and I'll sort it out later

sorry very busy with my real job and also calendar event not been able to look into it

* apparently mentions Amazon

[bhoot]

Apologies everyone, we have moved to a new server (more economical and newer version operating system!) and missed a minor configuration which the developer is aware of. It is still possible to enter and pay for an ECE as long as you don't upload a file - this is the thing that isn't working. I am sure Martin will be ok with getting your planned route emailed directly. Hopefully normal service resumed soon.

[GdS]

Thanks bhoot yes email GPX separately is fine 

[bhoot]

Should be fixed now.

[GdS]

Please note that following the rule change to sub 200km rides extra ECE points may now be added in 0.5 increments. This is to allow 50km and 150km calendar events (which now attract distance points) to be extended and awarded the correct total points.

the following FAQ has not changed though;

2. What total distances can be combined as an ECE?

An ECE can only be used to convert an AUK event to one which then meets the standard randonnee distances of 200 300 400 and 600 km; as well as distances of 500 700 and distances up to 1000km.

therefore sub 200km calendar events may only be uprated to at least 200km using an ECE. I will return / refund any entries that do not meet this criterium.

[PeeJay]

To clarify,  can I extend a 100km calendar event by 50km to make a 150km?
Meaning that I'd get 1 point for the calendar and 0.5 for the ECE?

Thanks

[The Bonk]

To clarify,  can I extend a 100km calendar event by 50km to make a 150km?
Meaning that I'd get 1 point for the calendar and 0.5 for the ECE?

Thanks

You've changed.







I am also doing this.

[PeeJay]

Well, yeah, in for a penny, in for 4 quid.

Probably see you on Saturday for a long distance bike ride then.

[GdS]

To clarify,  can I extend a 100km calendar event by 50km to make a 150km?
Meaning that I'd get 1 point for the calendar and 0.5 for the ECE?

Thanks

Not currently* under my watch;

The purpose of ECEs has not changed since 1.11.23 in that ECEs can only be used to extend a sub 200k ride to a 200k or plus ECE or add least 100km to a BR. There is a new ECE Randonnee + 150 but 200k and + events can only be extended by a minimum of 100km

*currently 

[PeeJay]

Not currently* under my watch;

The purpose of ECEs has not changed since 1.11.23 in that ECEs can only be used to extend a sub 200k ride to a 200k or plus ECE or add least 100km to a BR. There is a new ECE Randonnee + 150 but 200k and + events can only be extended by a minimum of 100km

*currently 

OK, no worries,  thanks for the clarification.

[sparklyfish]

Hello, sorry if this is answered elsewhere - haven't managed to find an answer through the medium of Google.

Are Extended Permanent Events a thing? I vaguely recall something like EPE being put as a motion to the AUK board. But I can't remember any more than that, and there's no info on the extensive audax.uk FAQs.

Asking because, assuming I successfully manage the 600km Gospel Pass in July, I need a Herts 200km for my Herts SR. 

[GdS]

Hello, sorry if this is answered elsewhere - haven't managed to find an answer through the medium of Google.

Are Extended Permanent Events a thing? I vaguely recall something like EPE being put as a motion to the AUK board. But I can't remember any more than that, and there's no info on the extensive audax.uk FAQs.

Asking because, assuming I successfully manage the 600km Gospel Pass in July, I need a Herts 200km for my Herts SR. 

Yes they are. Bit of a minority interest as it's usually easier and cheaper to do the whole thing as a DIY. I did a couple during lockdown as 2 of the Essex Winter Series calendar events were cancelled but made available as perms and I wanted the badge!

Although there's currently no way to enter one as all ECEs work from the "ECE this event" button.

Other than sending me the route, perm details and £4 PayPal. This obv doesn't require the rider to accept the usual AUK disclaimers although having already done that for the perm all the ECE does is increase the distance of the same ride.

[iroiromono]

Please note that following the rule change to sub 200km rides extra ECE points may now be added in 0.5 increments. This is to allow 50km and 150km calendar events (which now attract distance points) to be extended and awarded the correct total points.

the following FAQ has not changed though;

2. What total distances can be combined as an ECE?

An ECE can only be used to convert an AUK event to one which then meets the standard randonnee distances of 200 300 400 and 600 km; as well as distances of 500 700 and distances up to 1000km.

therefore sub 200km calendar events may only be uprated to at least 200km using an ECE. I will return / refund any entries that do not meet this criterium.

One additional observation is that it says to convert an AUK event... I believe it is also allowed to ECE Overseas BRM and LRM events.

On a tangent, given that BR and BP events hold equal weight for distance points, is it possible to extend events as BP (with more generous time limits) rather than BR?

[sparklyfish]

Hello, sorry if this is answered elsewhere - haven't managed to find an answer through the medium of Google.

Are Extended Permanent Events a thing? I vaguely recall something like EPE being put as a motion to the AUK board. But I can't remember any more than that, and there's no info on the extensive audax.uk FAQs.

Asking because, assuming I successfully manage the 600km Gospel Pass in July, I need a Herts 200km for my Herts SR. 

Yes they are. Bit of a minority interest as it's usually easier and cheaper to do the whole thing as a DIY. I did a couple during lockdown as 2 of the Essex Winter Series calendar events were cancelled but made available as perms and I wanted the badge!

Although there's currently no way to enter one as all ECEs work from the "ECE this event" button.

Other than sending me the route, perm details and £4 PayPal.

Brill, thanks GdS! I will do that in a few weeks. I'd like to do Phil's Greenways 100km, to get an annoying square I missed in Hemel Hempstead try out all those fun old railway routes! That's my June audax sorted. 

[GdS]

On a tangent, given that BR and BP events hold equal weight for distance points, is it possible to extend events as BP (with more generous time limits) rather than BR?

No sorry; ECEs can only be used to uprate a ride to a standard BR with a distance of 200km and above in 100k increments (although it now allows half points eg 250 350 etc but they have not all been created yet and won't be until someone requests one)

Remember; ECEs are a form of DIY BR which includes a calendar event (and since 2009 replaced a previous version which voided the calendar event and made the whole thing a DIY which caused a lot of problems)
Thus all DIYs are either BP if sub 200k or BR if 200k or above and ECEs follow this convention.