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Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #500 on: June 05, 2018, 10:57:05 pm »
Just as I thought I was starting to understand ECE's I've got confused…

I'm looking doing a 400 ECE onto a 600 calendar BRM. The 400km ECE link gives you 28hrs + 40hrs for the 600 = 68hrs.

A 1000km calender BRM or a 1000km DIY is 75hrs.

Am i looking at this incorrectly, or is there really a 10% time difference ?

a 600 calendar BRM is allowed 40 hrs; adding another 400 takes the total ECE to 1000 which qualifies for the lower minimum of 13.3kph;

thus the total 1000km is allowed 75.9 hrs;


the generic 400km ECE does not take into account the reduced minimum speed as a result of extending over 700km


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Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #501 on: June 05, 2018, 11:05:59 pm »
I think he means adding 400 km onto an existing 600 km BRM calendar event. For that you treat the total event as a 1000 km DIY, so you get 1000/13.3 = ~75 hours from start to finish. You still have to stick to the original timings of the calendar event, of course.

Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #502 on: June 05, 2018, 11:57:28 pm »
I think he means adding 400 km onto an existing 600 km BRM calendar event. For that you treat the total event as a 1000 km DIY, so you get 1000/13.3 = ~75 hours from start to finish. You still have to stick to the original timings of the calendar event, of course.

Indeed, and it can be very useful.

Consider doing a 200km ECE to the start of a calendar 600 (which, for the sake of argument, is BRM so 40h) and then 200km ECE home afterwards.

If the calendar event starts at 6am on a Saturday then you could work backwards as follows:-

200km ECE to the start at 13.3kph (because you're doing a 1000km ride). So that gives you 15h to do that 200km to the start.

Saturday 6am - 15h = Friday 3pm, so:-

A Friday 3pm start and 75h (3d 3h) time limit for a 1000km ride you have to finish the whole thing by Monday 6pm.

Friday 3pm start a 200km ride to the start of the calendar event. Knock that off in 12h or so and get a 2h nap. Faster = more sleep.
Saturday 6am start the 600km calendar ride, adhering to the calendar ride time control time limits/etc.
Sunday 6pm (for example), finish the 600km calendar ride.
That then gives you 24h to sleep and then knock off the 200km ECE leg at the end.

If you want you can front load the ride a bit more by starting later than Friday 3pm which pushes the end time later too, but you can't start any earlier than 3pm (if the calendar ride starts at 6am on a Saturday and the whole ride is a nominal 1000km with 200km ECE legs either side) as you'd be out of time at the start of the calendar ride.

But finishing a 600km in 36h (having already done a 200 to the start) and then having 24h to sleep and then knock off a final 200km is quite a nice way of doing it. Even if you push the 600 to the 40h time limit you've still got 20h to sleep and then do the final 200.

One day I'll do the 200km from SW15 to the start of the BCM, ride the BCM and then ride home again to make it into a 1000. One day.
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Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #503 on: June 06, 2018, 12:32:55 am »
you can't start any earlier than 3pm (if the calendar ride starts at 6am on a Saturday and the whole ride is a nominal 1000km with 200km ECE legs either side) as you'd be out of time at the start of the calendar ride.

I think Martin has stated that he doesn't enforce time limits within the ride, so you can start as early as you like as long as you can finish it all in 75 hours. You do still have to hang around at the calendar start until 6 am though.

(or on this year's BCM, most of the horses bolted at 5:58)

Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #504 on: June 06, 2018, 08:53:34 am »
To recap... I've read the first couple of pages from 2009, but I believe some things must have now changed

Let's say I pick a 105 km BP and I ECE to a BR 200 by adding 95 km to go there and back.

1) Can I just do everything with a GPX file much in the same way as a DIY, without the need for a brevet card, proof of passage and whatnot for the ECE part?

2) Does the ECE part need to be a metric lump (e.g. 100 km, 200 km etc) or can it just be the missing distance to the minimum required, as in the example above 95 km? So for instance if I enter a 160 km BP, can i just bring it up to a 200 km BR by doing 40 km?

Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #505 on: June 06, 2018, 09:23:45 am »
To recap... I've read the first couple of pages from 2009, but I believe some things must have now changed

Let's say I pick a 105 km BP and I ECE to a BR 200 by adding 95 km to go there and back.

1) Can I just do everything with a GPX file much in the same way as a DIY, without the need for a brevet card, proof of passage and whatnot for the ECE part?

2) Does the ECE part need to be a metric lump (e.g. 100 km, 200 km etc) or can it just be the missing distance to the minimum required, as in the example above 95 km? So for instance if I enter a 160 km BP, can i just bring it up to a 200 km BR by doing 40 km?

Martin's the man who knows - he's pragmatic and flexible, but also busy ...

1) Yes, enter nominating appropriate controls (you do still need to designate controls at reasonable intervals, though start point and end point will normally do if you've got a fairly direct ECE route up to 80 or 100km or so), then submit your GPX. No need for cards, receipts and the like.

2) In principle (and because of advisory routing), you're adding the ECE to the nominal distance rather than the actual distance of the calendar event, so your first example would have to be (100km Nom)+(100km ECE) to make it up to a 200, not (105km Actual)+(95km ECE). But a relatively recent concession is that if you are using a GPS, and will treat the calendar event as having mandatory routing, then you can just make up the actual event distance to an appropriate 100km threshold: 105+95 is fine as long as you've followed the calendar event route fully and submit a GPX.

Re: Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?
« Reply #506 on: June 06, 2018, 09:33:35 am »
thank you