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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #25 on: 21 August, 2018, 10:37:39 am »
The problem is that there is no clear "definition" to be given as to what roads cost

There are estimates of teh "real cost of motoring" that include pollution, accidents, policing , injuries and other factors in addition to the simple building and maintenance of roads

Other estimates simply look at maintenance, others include new Roa building as well

This means that if you took a "road tax" equivalent to the VED income, in some cases it would require subsidy of up to £1200 per vehicle per year, through breaking even, to being a profit.

It would be nice though to introduce a "road tax",, hypothecate it entirely, and the when it runs out stop all road building and maintenance because motorists haven't paid enough


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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #26 on: 21 August, 2018, 03:00:57 pm »
Except that the people most affected by lack of road maintenance tend to be cyclists, followed by wheelchairists and pushers of prams, then general pedestrians, then ordinary motorists with wankpanzerists barely noticing.
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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #27 on: 21 August, 2018, 07:09:07 pm »
Except that the people most affected by lack of road maintenance tend to be cyclists, followed by wheelchairists and pushers of prams, then general pedestrians, then ordinary motorists with wankpanzerists barely noticing.

Or you rate it according to the amount of cost a given vehicle incurs, and you end up with a lesson in raising things to the power of 4.  Which the selfish or maths/physics-impaired drivers will consider unfair, and you're back to the same road tax argument.

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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #28 on: 21 August, 2018, 08:06:10 pm »
Except that the people most affected by lack of road maintenance tend to be cyclists, followed by wheelchairists and pushers of prams, then general pedestrians, then ordinary motorists with wankpanzerists barely noticing.

As a wheelchairist, I very much DO notice lack of pavement maintenance.

I have solid tyres, no suspension and small front castor wheels. Every irregularity is transmitted, undamped to my elbows on the armrests. An upstand of 5cm will cause an abrupt halt to the chair's forward progress, throwing me forward.

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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #29 on: 21 August, 2018, 08:27:17 pm »
It's probably not unreasonable to prioritise pavement maintenance over the rest of the road.
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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #30 on: 21 August, 2018, 08:55:29 pm »
It's probably not unreasonable to prioritise pavement maintenance over the rest of the road.

Which country was it that did an equality impact assessment (or their local equivalent) of road gritting, and concluded that since women, children, elderly and disabled people were much more likely to be pedestrians or public transport users, the priority should be the pavement (particularly around schools and hospitals) rather than the main carriageway?  Seemed like the sort of pragmatic evidence-based behaviour we expect from FOREIGNS that would be politically unworkable here.

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« Reply #31 on: 21 August, 2018, 09:03:21 pm »
Don't know the answer to your question but I've heard that in Sweden they snow-plough and/or grit the cycle tracks before the main carriageway.
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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #32 on: 21 August, 2018, 09:06:00 pm »
Don't know the answer to your question but I've heard that in Sweden they snow-plough and/or grit the cycle tracks before the main carriageway.

Same here (Netherlands), you see them out gritting the cycle lanes before you see them on the main road. Also when they installed district heating, they ran the pipes under the cycle paths (cheaper to dig up), result: heated cycle lanes...

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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #33 on: 21 August, 2018, 09:07:06 pm »
It's probably not unreasonable to prioritise pavement maintenance over the rest of the road.

..... Most pavement damage is caused  illegal parking. There should be steps taken to recover damages from serial offenders, or indeed anyone caught on the pavement

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« Reply #34 on: 21 August, 2018, 09:07:52 pm »
While I was living in Bangalore, it was host to the International Wheelchair Games. We talked to the Polish wheelchair fencing squad (it's quite a dramatic sport to watch), and they mentioned they'd tried to explore the city a bit on their own but had very rapidly given up, due to the traffic and state of pavements – often absence of pavements. (I suppose absence of pavements actually isn't all bad; at least it means there are no kerbs... )
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« Reply #35 on: 21 August, 2018, 09:08:40 pm »
It's probably not unreasonable to prioritise pavement maintenance over the rest of the road.

..... Most pavement damage is caused  illegal parking. There should be steps taken to recover damages from serial offenders, or indeed anyone caught on the pavement
Sadly, other than in London it's not generally illegal.
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« Reply #36 on: 22 August, 2018, 06:31:13 pm »
It would be nice though to introduce a "road tax",, hypothecate it entirely, and the when it runs out stop all road building and maintenance because motorists haven't paid enough

The first two will happen by the end of the decade thanks to George Osborne:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33447106

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One is that new car prices have dropped in real terms over many years and the other is that money raised from VED will be ring-fenced for road investment, something not seen since the 1930s.
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Of course, the "Road Fund" will continue to be topped up from other tax income otherwise, as you say, the roads would quickly fall into disrepair due to lack of funding.
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Re: ipayroadtax
« Reply #37 on: 22 August, 2018, 06:45:36 pm »
In fact it's only being hypothecated to the Strategic Road Network, which is motorways and a few but not all Primary Routes (the ones with green signs). The vast majority of roads will continue to be built and maintained entirely through general taxation.
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