Author Topic: [HAMR] womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start  (Read 147899 times)

clarion

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #475 on: 17 February, 2016, 09:16:52 pm »
Magnificently so!
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #476 on: 17 February, 2016, 09:23:26 pm »
Bumble not really very informative tonight, though.   ::-)
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #477 on: 17 February, 2016, 09:32:59 pm »
Hardly surprising.  If you want a proper rant about crap weather, you need to consult a cat.

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #478 on: 17 February, 2016, 09:39:23 pm »
She is quite small and has no weight to her so perhaps more impacted upon by the weather than others might be.

We talked about this a bit- and it's very true, she feels the cold (much piss-taking of me and my no-overshoes ways) and because she's not pushing hard it gets to her more than it perhaps otherwise would. She also sometimes struggles to eat enough, she said (I'm so jealous!)

I was dressed for Kajsa-pace when I rode with her, but once I split off and started riding at catch-a-train pace I was way too hot!

I'm looking forward to riding with her again.

When you do that, let me know and I'll come with.....I can put you up as well (or put up with you ;))

cygnet

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #479 on: 18 February, 2016, 09:03:35 am »
Looking down her calendar I have deduced she is riding the Vatternrunden Vätternrundan; Not much chance of spotting her during the ride itself perhaps, but before/after maybe.
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #480 on: 18 February, 2016, 09:21:03 am »
Looking down her calendar I have deduced she is riding the Vatternrunden; Not much chance of spotting her during the ride itself perhaps, but before/after maybe.

Brilliant!  That'll be the furthest she's ever ridden in a day I guess?  Superb stuff.

By the way, refer to https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=95745.msg1990188#msg1990188 for the correct grammar usage.   ;D
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Ooooh. That sounds like a daft idea.  I am in!

cygnet

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #481 on: 18 February, 2016, 09:57:44 am »
I sit corrected.
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orraloon

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #482 on: 19 February, 2016, 08:41:20 pm »
Confused of My Armchair here.

Watched Kaysa's day 50 video and read Alicia's post.

What are the Guinness rules?  Does Kurt hold a Guinness record?  Why should Guinness rules be different for male and female riders, if they are?

Or should I just ignore all that and sit back to admire bravery and dedication under whichever rulebase?

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #483 on: 19 February, 2016, 09:08:11 pm »
The rules are a complete pigs ear. Sit back and enjoy the riding :)
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #484 on: 19 February, 2016, 11:24:45 pm »
What are the Guinness rules?  Does Kurt hold a Guinness record?  Why should Guinness rules be different for male and female riders, if they are?

The rules for monitoring the record by Guinness and UMCA are different. Broadly: UMCA  - live tracking and heart rate/power, drafting permitted, many bikes allowed; Guinness - single bike, signed witness logs, no drafting (until recently). The rules aren't explicitly different for women and men, it's just that the two recent serious attempts at distance records via UMCA have been men and the two serious Guinness attempts have been women. Things got messier when Guinness retrospectively recognised Kurt's record that had been monitored by UMCA and realised they might have to make their own rules a little closer to UMCAs for future attempts.

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #485 on: 20 February, 2016, 09:05:55 am »
Though from Kajsa vlog Guinness have rescinded the "drafting allowed" change - but presumably only for the women's attempt, unless they withdraw Kurts...
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #486 on: 20 February, 2016, 09:28:10 am »
It would be a true bag of shite if Guinness backtracked on Kurt.   They would never have any credibility again with serious cyclists and, if the debacle was more widely publicised, with records in general.

It seems to me that Guinness make up rules as they go along.

It was a wise decision by Kajsa to continue as she had been doing and she could rightly boil Guinness in oil should they mess around with the criteria again.   Kurt's record will stand wholly and solely alone under that unique set of "Guinness" rules.

I love Kajsa's videos.   The woman is a true star.   I hope that she will be vlogging in the future, perhaps reviewing triathlon and cycling clothing and kit.

clarion

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #487 on: 20 February, 2016, 11:03:58 am »
Kajsa is a hero.
The rules are a complete pigs ear. Sit back and enjoy the riding :)
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #488 on: 20 February, 2016, 12:33:10 pm »
It would be a true bag of shite if Guinness backtracked on Kurt.   They would never have any credibility again with serious cyclists

Given the mess they've made with recent one year records, I'm not sure they have now. Whip is wise to steer clear of them.

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #489 on: 20 February, 2016, 02:16:08 pm »
Though from Kajsa vlog Guinness have rescinded the "drafting allowed" change - but presumably only for the women's attempt, unless they withdraw Kurts...

I don't see why they should withdraw Kurts record as there is nothing to suggest that Tommy didn't draft someone at some point so the two are comparable in that regard.

My initial thoughts were that Guinness should have a drafting and non drafting record for both male and female participants so they could carry on recognising attempts made under UMCA rules which at the moment should fall automatically in to the drafting category. Otherwise we are left with the current situation where the men's Guinness Year Record is a drafting one and the ladies Guinness Year Record is a non-drafting one.

I don't know how Billie Fleming went about her record but Kajsa is at the moment complying to Guinness' original non drafting rules. At the end of Kajsa's year attempt, would Kajsa have the non-drafting record and Billie remain with a drafting record? I'm not sure Kajsa would want that.

I guess the answer to this would be that if a non-drafting attempt exceeded the drafting record, then the two records should merge under the one record holder - until they were split again by a successful drafting attempt that exceeded the non-drafting record?






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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #490 on: 20 February, 2016, 04:10:18 pm »
I don't think that Guinness know enough about cycling to be able to establish different records for different criteria.

Where sport is already categorised and records kept for different activities/events/gender/distances, organised by world specialist bodies, they just report the records. Where it's something like cycling, in which for this sort of thing there is no established world body (UMCA can hardly be described as "established" as they had had no previous interest in the Year Record, until Steve asked them in 2014) they simply don't have a clue.
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #491 on: 20 February, 2016, 04:24:40 pm »
Given that Guinness charge a lot of money to ratify a record, don't you think that they need to be able to define that record before people start trying to set it?   

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #492 on: 20 February, 2016, 04:38:31 pm »
I thought Kajsa said in her vlog re the rules (the earlier one) that Guinness was free?

Anyway, a return to form (helped perhaps by the Westerly) today, her best day for a while  :thumbsup:
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Phil W

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #493 on: 20 February, 2016, 05:05:04 pm »
Yes it's free with Guinness

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #494 on: 20 February, 2016, 05:05:51 pm »
Ah, I see.  I was under the impression that you had to pay to get a Guinness record. 

Indeed.  My google fu has just confirmed that it is free.   Oh well.   My apologies Guinness. 

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #495 on: 21 February, 2016, 10:59:18 am »
Kajsa is out on the Yaxley Riders reliability run today, with TG for company. 
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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #496 on: 21 February, 2016, 12:59:29 pm »
Look forward to the video, the start to that ride was brutal this morning, full on sidewind that i struggled to fight, into a full headwind on a very exposed section over the Giddings. At least she should enjoy Oundle and the Welland valley with the viaduct looking splendid in the sun, and get blown back.
Tough day though.

clarion

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #497 on: 21 February, 2016, 01:36:37 pm »
She didn't sound impressed by Rutlish hills yesterday.  But fit in a bit of off-road!
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Jack_P

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Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #498 on: 21 February, 2016, 01:54:01 pm »
Looking at the tracker, looks like she didn't venture to far West, a 90k loop just dipping into East Northants, no real hills.

Re: womens record attempt - Kajsa Tylen Jan 1st start
« Reply #499 on: 25 February, 2016, 10:58:26 pm »
For those that are interested, I've just updated https://goo.gl/lYClYG and brought it up to date.