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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: BlackSheep on 06 August, 2013, 03:25:23 pm

Title: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 06 August, 2013, 03:25:23 pm
 An epic adventure, exploring some of the UK's most spectacular scenery, cycle along remote roads. You keep to a schedule that best suits your own abilities and riding style.

1302km cycling event starting from Brodick, Isle of Arran. Controls at Campbelltown, Lochgilphead, Tobermory, Broadford, Gairloch, Ulapool, lochinvar, Durness, Trantlebeg, Lairg, Dingwall, Spean Bridge, Inveraray and Ardrossan.

Good public transport links - be it train, boat, car or plane.

WWW links, smartphone apps to enable you to plan for your style of cycling. Either ride as (say) a nominal 300km per day, and sleep at regular intervals, riding the route entirely in daylight. Or ride non-stop, and resting where or when you feel like it. Five ferry crossings need to be planned, some could be by-passed - although the detours may involve a considerable increase in riding distance. This is an X-rated event - so, the ride is Audax at it's most litteral and exciting.

Enries will be limited, route plan/sheet GPS now available at http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/14-393/#more

Some freinds very kindly did a reccy of certain bits last year, and did a short video.
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But this ride's planned with a bit more sunshine, warmth and tea

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Note: Trantlebeg has been sole-hired for the entire duration that the control is open, this accounts for the lions-share of the entry fees..

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Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: marcusjb on 06 August, 2013, 03:26:57 pm
I had already been eyeing the perm up. 

Let's just say I am extremely interested. 
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: Deano on 06 August, 2013, 03:30:50 pm
Aha! Perfect timing. I had heard rumours of a batch of >1000 km rides in the UK next year, and I was thinking of starting a thread to ask if there were any more details...

It looks fabulous, I know most of those roads and they're well worth the journey. It's eminently cyclable from here, too.

Now, bivvy bag or B&Bs...
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Post by: Hillbilly on 06 August, 2013, 03:32:57 pm
Yummy yum yum.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: αdαmsκι on 06 August, 2013, 03:34:15 pm
Mr. Blacksheep was telling me about this on the BCM this year. It sounds exciting.

*checks diary*

Well that was an easy decision. Last day of term is Tuesday 22nd July. Ar$e.

What about that 600 you mentioned?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Hillbilly on 06 August, 2013, 03:38:43 pm
@adamski: The new 600 perm (spoilers) also looks interesting. Enough attitude points, I mean altitude points, to hint that it will be interesting to play with....
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: BlackSheep on 06 August, 2013, 03:39:13 pm
Now, bivvy bag or B&Bs...

There's also SYHAs, Independant hostels, bunk barnes .......  In fact over 150 potential places to rest/sleep.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: αdαmsκι on 06 August, 2013, 03:41:13 pm
Ah, hadn't noticed the new perm. Dragons - sounds scary. 

Sorry, I'll leave and let you all talk about midges Scotland.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: BlackSheep on 06 August, 2013, 03:57:12 pm
What about that 600 you mentioned?

Best you keep the 21/22 june 2014 free. There's already the perm on the system at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR13/ . This perm ride's in the 10/10 category. However the cal event will be 12/10
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: TOBY on 06 August, 2013, 03:59:00 pm
What about that 600 you mentioned?

Best you keep the 21/22 june 2014 free. There's already the perm on the system at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR13/ . This perm ride's in the 10/10 category. However the cal event will be 12/10

ESCA 24hr TT Clashes :(
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 06 August, 2013, 04:13:45 pm
I will have to pack travel sickness pills though - terrible sailor.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Euan Uzami on 06 August, 2013, 04:15:45 pm
*already thinking strategy...*
curious as to how it would work starting at 11:15   ...is that in the am, or the pm?
Mull ferry crossing is at ~200km. You would have to be very very fast to make the last one on the first day, and I would have thought a bit early to sleep...
I would have thought most people would get to oban at about 10pm if it starts 11:15am.

if you mean 11:15pm ignore me.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - ...........
Post by: Hillbilly on 06 August, 2013, 04:37:52 pm
Quote
ESCA 24hr TT Clashes

Buggeration.  I had been thinking of the (local for me) ESCA 24hr TT (and no doubt there will some fancy pants foreign adventure for me to be tempted by.  Choices choices)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: OfficeBoy on 06 August, 2013, 04:41:34 pm
Definitely interested in this one, is there going to be a limit and when can you enter?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 06 August, 2013, 04:42:26 pm
mmm..............

Think I need to do some longer rides between 300km and 600km before I should even consider entering. This years been a washout  :-\
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: BlackSheep on 06 August, 2013, 04:50:02 pm
Definitely interested in this one, is there going to be a limit and when can you enter?

Looking at the event page, it appears that you can enter any time from now  up until 23rd of June 2014.

That is of course providing 60 others haven't already entered.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: OfficeBoy on 06 August, 2013, 04:58:26 pm
So the 60 applies to number of entrants limit, thanks, still new to Audax
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 06 August, 2013, 05:12:23 pm
I'm in -

Just did my trip to Scotland before LEL and loved it so much I have to go back next year. The Reading To Uig ride did not get completed because of my poor wheel building and I ended up riding from Reading to Greenock then Edinburgh to Inverness (after wheel fix).

Did the A93 Perth to Breamar and then A939 through Tomintoul on what must have been the hottest day of the year. Great ride but no Audax points.

I have relations near the start as well so hopefully get to see them too.

BB
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marylogic on 06 August, 2013, 05:21:13 pm
There seems to be a slight error  - you have forgotten to put a control in Applecross  :demon: :P
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: AndyH on 06 August, 2013, 05:42:14 pm
An epic adventure
the ride is Audax at it's most litteral and exciting

Hmm. Inspiration.  :)  Is this what was in the pipeline when you relinquished custody of the BCM, Mr Sheep?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: BlackSheep on 06 August, 2013, 06:01:26 pm
Hmm. Inspiration.  :)  Is this what was in the pipeline when you relinquished custody of the BCM, Mr Sheep?

Not exactly, this one came along one evening in November, whilst waiting in the pub for a couple of cyclists to finish a 200.  ;)

However, whist passing the time during the closing overs of this year's Brevet Cymru, I did
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Entry up-take has been quite brisk, not many spaces left  :o
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Greenbank on 06 August, 2013, 06:38:13 pm
Entry up-take has been quite brisk, not many spaces left  :o

Not surprised for just £10 entry. There's no real disincentive not to enter it just on the off chance.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 06 August, 2013, 06:39:16 pm
Entry up-take has been quite brisk, not many spaces left  :o
Will you be holding a waiting list for when the first 20, who realise they've bitten off more than they can chew, drop out in March?

Yep - really easy to commit now, especially in a post-LEL glow.

I have no doubt I will be in the Isle of Arran on 21st July, as this is so up my street. 
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Deano on 06 August, 2013, 06:54:33 pm
There seems to be a slight error  - you have forgotten to put a control in Applecross  :demon: :P

Achmelvich and Achiltibuie also notable by their absence.

But it's a free route, so you'd be welcome to make up your own route between controls. Not that I'm likely to be heading over to Applecross, or down the Drumbeg road...
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 06 August, 2013, 06:54:51 pm
No way I could make the last Oban => Craignure ferry starting at 11:15am and the Lochranza => Kintyre ferry will not be running at midnight either. How is the use of these ferries intended to work given the constrained timetable? As far as I can see, I would be too late for the last ferry from Oban, and would be out of time by the time the next one sailed at 0745 I’d be well out of time.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Euan Uzami on 06 August, 2013, 11:09:33 pm
No way I could make the last Oban => Craignure ferry starting at 11:15am and the Lochranza => Kintyre ferry will not be running at midnight either. How is the use of these ferries intended to work given the constrained timetable? As far as I can see, I would be too late for the last ferry from Oban, and would be out of time by the time the next one sailed at 0745 I’d be well out of time.
That's exactly what i wondered upthread, you'd get to oban 10pm-midnight, you could then sleep till the next ferry in the morning which wouldn't be too bad but it have to be mostly a bivvy bag job from then on as by that point you still would've then taken ~21 hours to do 200k.   :-\

It might be alright starting late evening as you'd then get to oban ~8am but you'd be stuck on the island at the start unless you row ;) (even so, still not thought as far ahead as what time you'd reach mallaig...)

Could you not start at tarbert in the late evening then go down to campbeltown the east side and back up the west?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Jaded on 07 August, 2013, 12:07:55 am
It is fairly likely that I coud offer a few beds/floor space by Ullapool to people that know me. Obviously if you are truly going x-rated you can wild camp in the garden.  ;D
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 07 August, 2013, 09:32:33 am
I have done an outline plan that me sleeping in Oban SYH until the ferry in the morning. Quite a short day and then the ride will be completed in 5 days and staying in bunk houses.

I will post the details of my outline plan over the next couple of days. But I am not planning this as a fast ride and will finish quite close to the time limit. More of a tour than a heads down min time audax.

BB
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: ian_oli on 07 August, 2013, 10:05:44 am
Having decided after last PBP that I wouldnt do over 300K rides again, unless one really tickled my fancy, I have had my fancy tickled and entered. 

Like BB, I reckon it will be a full value ride. Day 1 to Oban is good enough.  I reckon the key day is Day2 - Oban-Skye with three ferries - if you don't get the last ferry from Mallaig to Skye, you're either going to add a day to the ride or really get squeezed on sleep and riding pace.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: vorsprung on 07 August, 2013, 10:13:08 am
The damn thing isn't for another year and mr sheep is saying it's "filling up fast"

I need to negotiate with the missus about this.  Please don't enter until I have..thanks.

I should have done the test ride for it this year  ;D

This is the most exciting AUK event since the Mille Cymru IMHO
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 07 August, 2013, 10:13:20 am
I think the scenery and natural spectacle really deserves this to be treated as a fast tour for sure. 

I will plan a schedule next year (remember ferry times might change in next summer's timetables?) based on enjoying the ride to the full value - I hope that I can use this to break my time-based obsessions on the longer stuff.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 07 August, 2013, 10:14:46 am
Just reading this has been a rollercoaster.

Bouncy with excitement, I nearly entered last night - it's only £11.50. But there was a little lingering concern about schedules ...

Now reading Simon's comments (et al) it seems like this ride might be impossible for the slower rider :(

"
Or ride non-stop, and resting where or when you feel like it. Ferry crossings need to be planned, some could be by-passed - although the detours may involve a considerable increase in riding distance.

"
Within AUK time limits, I can't climb 18000m over 1300km without a few decent sleep stops. And I'd be stuffed  by any "considerable increase in riding distance".
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 07 August, 2013, 10:20:32 am
I haven't looked at the ferry schedules yet.  They will be an interesting element to a ride for sure, but I'd hope that the organiser hasn't set us up to fail within the first day or 2, so I'll trust in their choice of start time etc. and take it from there.  I won't worry about it quite yet.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 07 August, 2013, 10:30:12 am
Yebbut you (and the likes of Bianchi Boy) can put 4 hours into me over a day. You'll have much less to worry about.

If SimonP is worried, I need to be. (Admittedly he's a worrier, but it reads like he's actually done the numbers in this case!)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 07 August, 2013, 10:53:45 am
Yebbut you (and the likes of Bianchi Boy) can put 4 hours into me over a day. You'll have much less to worry about.

If SimonP is worried, I need to be. (Admittedly he's a worrier, but it reads like he's actually done the numbers in this case!)

OK - I looked at timetables. 

Yes, everyone will be bouncing along at the lower time limit due to the ferries for the first couple of days.  We're all, almost certainly, sleeping in Oban on the first night.  There's no way around this ferry, Tobermory is the next control and being on the Isle of Mull, you can't bypass the need to be on the ferry by riding through the night on some super diversion.

So a 210km first day, dinner in Oban, decent nights kips and up for the early morning ferry.

Should serve to make it very sociable and keep everyone together for the first couple of days.  Certainly on ferry crossings.  Sounds brilliant. 

The only slightly tight sounding ferry is the Mallaig one - Kilchoan (245km) at around 11:30 and need to reach Mallaig (341km) for the 18:00 ferry - 6.5 hours for 100km - I haven't looked at the terrain on that section, but that could be tight.

That's the last ferry for 900km - so once you've hit that, you're back in control of your own schedule completely.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Deano on 07 August, 2013, 11:13:38 am
Hopscotch 5 and 21 look like the ones to go for.

http://www.calmac.co.uk/tickets/island-hopping/hopscotch-5-arran-and-kintyre.htm

http://www.calmac.co.uk/tickets/island-hopping/hopscotch-21-mull-and-ardnamurchan.htm

I'm not bothering doing that much research until next year's summer timetable is available, at the earliest.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 07 August, 2013, 11:17:45 am
I've used the hopscotch tickets before - superb value.

I wasn't going to look (as next summer's timetable might well be different) - but all the worriers got me concerned.  I am not concerned at all based on this summer's timetable.  It sounds a brilliant first couple of days of island hopping before heading off into the true wilds.

Bring it. 
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2013, 12:03:00 pm
Personally my only concern is sleeping at 210km on the first night puts me on the back foot schedule wise. I expect I will be riding this on fixed…

However, my motivation for riding this is: an island hopping tour from the Arran ferry has always been an ambition of mine (my mum lives just up the coast from Ardrossan and I went to school at Ardrossan Academy for a couple of years) so I’m in. I used to wake up every morning to a view of Arran. Well, except for the 50% of mornings when you couldn’t see it for rain. t once got the train from Glasgow as a student, ferry to Brodick, then circumnavigated Arran in all day rain on a 'bent the next day. It took best part of 20 years to exceed the maximum speed on that day, heading back from Lochranza to Brodick.

Will worry about the logistics in 10 months’ time. It will be an epic, and saves me having to ride the German 1500.  ::-)

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: ian_oli on 07 August, 2013, 12:54:34 pm
That's the last ferry for 900km - so once you've hit that, you're back in control of your own schedule completely.

The final ferry, from Dunoon, is every half hour until late evening, so unless you're right on the edge of time at the end not a problem.

If you miss the last ferry to Skye there is an alternative:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BPDO1p1Va-8/UgI04JBXHlI/AAAAAAAAAuc/4a3PR8jbuxc/s912/CropImage.jpg)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: vorsprung on 07 August, 2013, 01:06:21 pm
No way I could make the last Oban => Craignure ferry starting at 11:15am and the Lochranza => Kintyre ferry will not be running at midnight either. How is the use of these ferries intended to work given the constrained timetable? As far as I can see, I would be too late for the last ferry from Oban, and would be out of time by the time the next one sailed at 0745 I’d be well out of time.

Start at Mon 11:15
at 23km Lochranza-Claonaig ferry (30 minutes) for 13:15
get to Campbell Town for controlling before monday 16:30-ish at 69km
arrive in Oban 210km before 7:45 Tues -ish, like Marcus says sleep in Oban
7:45 Oban-Craignure Ferry
8:31 Craignure 210km
control at Tobermory 245km and get ferry 11:00, 13:00, 14:30 or last one at 16:00.  13:00 seems likely

and that's as far as I looked

I agree that making the control at Campbell Town before 16:30 looks a bit tight
The road is very lumpy and it's 44km in 2.5 hours
But after that it's not so difficult

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 07 August, 2013, 01:11:20 pm
I agree that making the control at Campbell Town before 16:30 looks a bit tight
The road is very lumpy and it's 44km in 2.5 hours
But after that it's not so difficult
I've got 1701 for that control. But my formulae are highly suspect ... !
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2013, 01:18:30 pm
On 12kph minimum speed, Tobermory control closes at 7.40am, by my quick calculation.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: ian_oli on 07 August, 2013, 01:33:17 pm
About to say the same as simon p and you're sure to be "out of time" at Broadford too, but that surely doesnt matter!
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: vorsprung on 07 August, 2013, 01:42:00 pm
On 12kph minimum speed, Tobermory control closes at 7.40am, by my quick calculation.

No you are right, it does close at approx that time, 245km / 12 kph = 20h 25m
11:15am + 20h 25m = 07:40am the following day

So I must agree with you, it's not possible for mere mortals.  The last ferry is at 18:00 from Oban-> Craignure, which would require an overall average of 28kph to get to 210km in time.  Let's hope that John Warnock, Chris Hopkinson and Mike Hall are in training.  I think even Toby would find that schedule a little taxing.

At least that's the way it seems..Marcus, you seemed to think it was possible?

If the event started on a Friday there is a ferry at 23:30, which would work
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2013, 01:49:40 pm
It is possible if there are alternatives to those ferries (BlackSheep suggested in a PM that the timetables aren’t all they seem so I’ll be interested to hear from anyone who knows better).

The alternative is that you are allowed to be out of time at these intermediate controls because of the delays introduced by the ferries, but this still leaves you on the back foot for the following 1000km having to be done faster to make up time.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 07 August, 2013, 01:54:42 pm
The alternative is that you are allowed to be out of time at these intermediate controls because of the delays introduced by the ferries, but this still leaves you on the back foot for the following 1000km having to be done faster to make up time.
I'd be quite happy with that solution. I think you'll struggle through OK  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2013, 01:56:56 pm
Well, if riding on fixed I'll be sure to get more than one 200k in on fixed during the spring, that's for sure.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: BlackSheep on 07 August, 2013, 01:57:30 pm
Nearly full.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: αdαmsκι on 07 August, 2013, 01:59:36 pm
Guys, do you really think Mr. Blacksheep will be setting up a ride that means everyone will be out of time by the end of Day 1 due to the ferry timetables? Why not wait, oh I don't know, say ten months, and then see what has been put in place, rather than worrying about it at the moment? Alternatively, carry on panicking & I'll carry on giggling to myself!
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: vorsprung on 07 August, 2013, 02:03:45 pm
It is possible if there are alternatives to those ferries (BlackSheep suggested in a PM that the timetables aren’t all they seem so I’ll be interested to hear from anyone who knows better).

Oh, ok..lies damned lies and the Internet.  I believe Blacksheep over any online timetable
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Euan Uzami on 07 August, 2013, 02:05:20 pm
Guys, do you really think Mr. Blacksheep will be setting up a ride that means everyone will be out of time by the end of Day 1 due to the ferry timetables? Why not wait, oh I don't know, say ten months, and then see what has been put in place, rather than worrying about it at the moment? Alternatively, carry on panicking & I'll carry on giggling to myself!

good point i 'spose.  8)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Veloman on 07 August, 2013, 02:11:11 pm
Guys, do you really think Mr. Blacksheep will be setting up a ride that means everyone will be out of time by the end of Day 1 due to the ferry timetables? Why not wait, oh I don't know, say ten months, and then see what has been put in place, rather than worrying about it at the moment? Alternatively, carry on panicking & I'll carry on giggling to myself!

good point i 'spose.  8)

My exact thoughts with adamski!

Cost is £11.50 via paypal and almost 12 months to have a chat to Mark to confirm detail.  Enter and if you don't fancy it after all the fine detail and calculations have been made, then you've only lost £11.50 which is not a great amount of cash compared to the cost of some kit.  (In reflective mood after just ordering a pair of Assos S7 mitts!)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2013, 02:12:04 pm
Will worry about the logistics in 10 months’ time.

Guys, do you really think Mr. Blacksheep will be setting up a ride that means everyone will be out of time by the end of Day 1 due to the ferry timetables? Why not wait, oh I don't know, say ten months, and then see what has been put in place, rather than worrying about it at the moment? Alternatively, carry on panicking & I'll carry on giggling to myself!

It will also be cold, wet, windy, and miserable.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 07 August, 2013, 02:13:12 pm
Well this is a first.

I have entered an Audax I know I can't complete within the time limits!

(Do they have lemmings in Scotland?)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Henry on 07 August, 2013, 02:28:56 pm
Well, if riding on fixed I'll be sure to get more than one 200k in on fixed during the spring, that's for sure.  :facepalm:
 

Well I wouldn't want you to be lonely on the cog...

Nearly full.
Blimey!!

...And I missed out on a couple of big ones this year...

So I'm in.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: iddu on 07 August, 2013, 02:43:26 pm
Wheeee..in (TBC)

3+ on t'cog then
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 07 August, 2013, 03:19:34 pm
Just a small point but - 'The Highlands, Glens and Western Isles' doesn't actually visit the Western Isles  ::-)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Jaded on 07 August, 2013, 03:25:26 pm
Don't worry, I'll direct them onto your ferry when they want their cards stamped. 7 hours on The Minch should sort out those too fast riders.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 07 August, 2013, 03:27:02 pm
Don't worry, I'll direct them onto your ferry when they want their cards stamped. 7 hours on The Minch should sort out those too fast riders.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: BlackSheep on 07 August, 2013, 03:29:10 pm
Quote from: windy link=topic=74722.msg1538 :D257#msg1538257 date=1375885174
Just a small point but - 'The Highlands, Glens and Western Isles' doesn't actually visit the Western Isles  ::-)
You can see them though
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 07 August, 2013, 03:34:01 pm
Quote from: windy link=topic=74722.msg1538 :D257#msg1538257 date=1375885174
Just a small point but - 'The Highlands, Glens and Western Isles' doesn't actually visit the Western Isles  ::-)
You can see them though

Only if it's not raining ;)

Weather forecasting in Stornoway - walk up to the war memorial, if you can't see the Clisham it's raining, if you can see the Clisham it's going to rain later.  :D
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Jaded on 07 August, 2013, 04:00:03 pm
If you cannot seem to reach it, it is windy.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 07 August, 2013, 09:17:26 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 07 August, 2013, 10:17:02 pm
Just spotted this, looks great.

C. is on late shift so can't discuss it until tomorrow  :facepalm:

What's the longest ECE that's ever done?  :P

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 07 August, 2013, 10:28:05 pm
Just spotted this, looks great.

C. is on late shift so can't discuss it until tomorrow  :facepalm:

What's the longest ECE that's ever done?  :P



ECE?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 07 August, 2013, 10:31:40 pm
Just spotted this, looks great.

C. is on late shift so can't discuss it until tomorrow  :facepalm:

What's the longest ECE that's ever done?  :P



ECE?

Extended Calendar Event:  http://www.aukweb.net/diy/ece/

...useful when cycling to and/or from a calendar event
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: IanDG on 07 August, 2013, 10:33:56 pm
ah of course (too late in the night)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: DrMekon on 07 August, 2013, 11:09:44 pm
Entry in - will clear it with better half over post LEL related childcare bitterness has receded. Will be perfect opportunity to put new post RTA bike through its paces.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Paul Rainbow on 08 August, 2013, 12:08:44 am
I'm in  :thumbsup:  Never ridden in Scotland during the midge season, will need to invest in anti midge devices  ;D
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Deano on 08 August, 2013, 12:12:18 am
Yes, I was considering the midges.

If I'm riding with you and you get a puncture, forget it, you're on your tod.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 08 August, 2013, 12:32:34 am
We've entered!  ;D

We will worry about the minor details such as annual leave, ferry's and accommodation later!

Looks like it will be 600k DIY's to Scotland and back.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 08 August, 2013, 07:17:48 am
We've entered!  ;D

We will worry about the minor details such as annual leave, ferry's and accommodation later!

Looks like it will be 600k DIY's to Scotland and back.

 :o

Great stuff!
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Yossarian on 08 August, 2013, 07:28:22 am
I've just entered!

I'd been eyeing up the perm version of this and wondering whether I could ever have found the time to do it, so having it in the calender is excellent!

Who know's what will happen over the next year though, I imagine when entry details for the Hamburg-Berlin-Koln-Hamburg 2014 are put out I'll have a better idea as to how the next year will look in terms of long rides!
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 08 August, 2013, 07:49:22 am
I've just entered!

I'd been eyeing up the perm version of this and wondering whether I could ever have found the time to do it, so having it in the calender is excellent!

Who know's what will happen over the next year though, I imagine when entry details for the Hamburg-Berlin-Koln-Hamburg 2014 are put out I'll have a better idea as to how the next year will look in terms of long rides!

Awesome! Have you done a detailed ferry plan yet?

HBKH also appealed, but with very limited entry, I think that I will probably stick with just this ride.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: eeymsmo on 08 August, 2013, 09:04:05 am
Sod it, I'm in. Will plan everything closer to the date.

Have always been tempted by an Audax with ferries (eyeing up Super Brevet Scandinavia) so might as well jump in with a biggy. And it'd be nice to see the other side and top of Scotland (LEL and Mille Alba have introduced me to the south and east over the last 2 years).

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 August, 2013, 09:56:06 am
I've now attached a GPS of the entire route (individual sections will be sent to entrants in due course) and a kml, so you can view the route using Google Earth.
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Post by: eck on 08 August, 2013, 10:32:49 am
Quote
ESCA 24hr TT Clashes

Buggeration.  I had been thinking of the (local for me) ESCA 24hr TT (and no doubt there will some fancy pants foreign adventure for me to be tempted by.  Choices choices)
Hillbilly, ECSA 24 is on 21 JUNE, so you can do both.
Mersey Roads 24 finishes on 20 July, so that means I can finish it on the Sunday afternoon, drive straight up to Arran in time for the start on Monday morning. What could possibly go wrong?  :thumbsup:

Actually, maybe I could ECE the whole thing by riding the 24, then riding up to Arran overnight. That would work, wouldn't it?
(I'd ride without valve caps so I could go that bit faster.)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Hillbilly on 08 August, 2013, 11:16:05 am
Good (a lesson never to trust internet posted information without checking!).  Although that now clashes with something else I had my eye on.

Alas, I've decided to be sensible and not get caught up in the frenzy over this event.  It is just under a year to go.  If there are places available when I know what else is  on, then I might enter.  Or I might not.  As it's offered as a permanent I don't see this as a particular loss (although I will be envious when I read the accounts and see the photos - North West Scotland is gorgeous in the right weather).
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 08 August, 2013, 12:01:56 pm
"Much of the route has plenty of places to stop and eat as you progress, However the stretch between Durness and Lairg is spartan in every sense - places to eat are very few and far between, I suggest that you consider carring enough sustainence during this part of the ride"

I assumed we would be carrying a stock of provisions to tide us over between watering holes.  With up to 60 cyclist raiding the possibly small community shops on route I wondered about pre-ordering provisions, or at least pre warning them of the potential demand.  I suspect that one difficulty will be getting to the stores when they are open.  It would be a good idea to collectively build up a list of stores and their opening times.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2013, 12:26:45 pm
We've entered!  ;D

We will worry about the minor details such as annual leave, ferry's and accommodation later!

Looks like it will be 600k DIY's to Scotland and back.
(having worked out who you are, bit slow, sorry ... )

That's amazing. Google actually comes as 600k dead to Brodick!

I think events over 2000km get a 200km/day speed. Oh hang on:
"or events from 1900 to 2499 km - 10kph; and
for events over 2499 km, 200 km per day"

 So a 600+1300+600 ECE could be quite attractive if you can juggle it right ...
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: marcusjb on 08 August, 2013, 12:32:32 pm
You are a terrible influence Matt.

Starts on a Monday yes? So gives a weekend at either end of it. That means only a couple of extra days leave and you could make a real tour of it. Hmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 08 August, 2013, 12:34:40 pm
Under ECE rules the 1300 still has to be done at 12kph, though. So you have to ride a 600k, ride a 1300k at BRM pace, and then ride another 600k. The two 600s can be ridden very slowly but it seems tough to me.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Dave_C on 08 August, 2013, 12:36:40 pm
I've entered, I hope there are still places left.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 08 August, 2013, 12:51:37 pm
Under ECE rules the 1300 still has to be done at 12kph, though. So you have to ride a 600k, ride a 1300k at BRM pace, and then ride another 600k. The two 600s can be ridden very slowly but it seems tough to me.

So there may be an advantage of doing one or both of the 600km's as an ECE, then the lower speed kicks in.   ;D

EDIT:  A more sensible approach would be 3 x 200km on the way up, a day or two rest before the 1300km, then a 600km ECE home.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 August, 2013, 12:53:26 pm
I've entered, I hope there are still places left.

You're in - Just a few places left.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Greenbank on 08 August, 2013, 01:29:46 pm
Under ECE rules the 1300 still has to be done at 12kph, though. So you have to ride a 600k, ride a 1300k at BRM pace, and then ride another 600k. The two 600s can be ridden very slowly but it seems tough to me.

So there may be an advantage of doing one or both of the 600km's as an ECE, then the lower speed kicks in.   ;D

EDIT:  A more sensible approach would be 3 x 200km on the way up, a day or two rest before the 1300km, then a 600km ECE home.

Indeed.

600+1300 gives you the magic 1900 and 10kph from the start of the 600.

The 1300 has a 12kph min average speed so that's fixed at 108h20m.

But 1900 at 10kph = 190 hours.

So you'd have 81h40m to do the 600 up to the start. That's more than enough time to do a leisurely 50 hour 600 and then have a day and a bit (31h40m) to rest before the start of the 1300.

Gets even better if you do 600+1300+600 as you'll have 12.5 days (300 hours at 200km per day) to do the whole thing. A fixed 108h20m for the 1300km calendar portion leaves 95h50m to do each 600 either side of it.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2013, 01:37:37 pm
Or do it as separate 600, 1300 400, 200 [with however many rest-days inbetween as you want]

SR in one trip!

But I think a 1900k (or longer) ride on one's results list would be cooler.

Think I'll book the train both ways and consider an ECE +600 leg home from Ardrossan. (You can always DNS that bit thanks to the wacky wonderful ECE rules.)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 08 August, 2013, 01:51:41 pm
Greenbank's gone and done it now - working it out shows that the 600s can be done at a very easy pace. 95h to ride a 600k is just ridiculously easy. Though on the way back, I suspect it won't seem quite that way.

It is about 630km to mum's by direct route. I could probably expect that to be 650 once adding a few controls on the way. So, add 1300km on to make 2600km which is 13 full days at 200km/d. I could post change of clothes to mum's to have clean kit (and have it washed for the return) and stay there before and after the 1300k. So the 650s either side can be done at 6.5kph or so.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Greenbank on 08 August, 2013, 01:56:57 pm
Greenbank's gone and done it now - working it out shows that the 600s can be done at a very easy pace. 95h to ride a 600k is just ridiculously easy. Though on the way back, I suspect it won't seem quite that way.

Even better you can make it lopsided. Give yourself 80h for the first 600 and then have 110h for the final 600.

A 2600km ride would be very audacious and worthy of a very big chapeau.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2013, 02:39:26 pm
I think to maintain the spirit of Mr Sheep's fine event, any ECE leg should include a ferry crossing.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 08 August, 2013, 02:42:50 pm
The risk with an outbound ECE is that you loose the points if you DNF on the calendar.  A home bound ECE carries less risk if you DNF the calendar if you have a backup DIY up your sleve to ride instead (assuming this is permitted?)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Hillbilly on 08 August, 2013, 03:04:53 pm
I think it is:


regardless of whether the ECE is in relation to extension before or after the event.

Of course, every time riders take advantage of this loophole, a kitten dies in order to maintain balance in the universe.  Two kittens if a  tandem is involved.  The spirit of audax is an elemental force that runs through the cosmos.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2013, 03:15:50 pm
I think it is:

  • DNF ECE, can still get recognised for calendar event if you finish it
  • DNF calendar event, you automatically DNF the ECE

regardless of whether the ECE is in relation to extension before or after the event.

Of course, every time riders take advantage of this loophole, a kitten dies in order to maintain balance in the universe.  Two kittens if a  tandem is involved.  The spirit of audax is an elemental force that runs through the cosmos.
+1 !

This all makes ECE legs to the START of calendar events rather tricky, as 321 has identified. They were originally conceived as shortish rides to/from events that were quite near to your house - I think - so things* get a bit weird when you start riding 'proper' distances to/from.

Luckily the might of The Holy 50% Rule makes sure the space-time continuum doesn't get too far out of whack (if you ignore a few kittens.)


*No, not The Things.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Reg.T on 08 August, 2013, 04:06:49 pm
In terms of going over 2500km, does it state anywhere that this is available for ECEs? (The ECE FAQ on here only states the 10kph up to 2499km, I think).

And even if it does, my understanding is that it would be 200km on every day of the ride, not 200km/day average over the period of the ride:
sorry I don't know the answer but would like to echo the question for the "200km per day" time limit obtained on >2500km - is it 200km per day average or >200km every day. (Have asked before I think but don't think there was a definitive answer.)



It must be >200km per day, or you wouldn't get your 2 points per day.

Keith
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Greenbank on 08 August, 2013, 04:12:10 pm
In terms of going over 2500km, does it state anywhere that this is available for ECEs? (The ECE FAQ on here only states the 10kph up to 2499km, I think).

Just ask Martin, it was only recently he updated that from saying 14.3kph based on a question I had about ECEing a 600 into a 1000.

Although it does kind of depend on:-

And even if it does, my understanding is that it would be 200km on every day of the ride, not 200km/day average over the period of the ride:
sorry I don't know the answer but would like to echo the question for the "200km per day" time limit obtained on >2500km - is it 200km per day average or >200km every day. (Have asked before I think but don't think there was a definitive answer.)

It must be >200km per day, or you wouldn't get your 2 points per day.

Keith

Which is interesting, I'd assumed it was just another way of saying 8.33kph rather than a strict "you must do at least 200km per day".

If that was enforced then it'd mean you get a maximum of 72h for the 600's to/from the 1300.

I wonder what Marcus did on his extravaganza? Did he ever do <200km in a day?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: simonp on 08 August, 2013, 04:27:07 pm
If that's the rule, that makes ECEing this much harder than riding a 2600k DIY.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: jsabine on 08 August, 2013, 04:30:23 pm
Doesn't teethgrinder tell a tale of making his way round these fair isles (Grand Triangle I think), getting to Newcastle, deciding to pack, and getting  the train home?

After a week back at work he realised he was still in time by virtue of the 200km a day rule, so got the train back to Newcastle and completed the following weekend.

Only works if it's average, not continuous ...
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2013, 04:34:10 pm
I've just looked that ride up! in 1998 he rode it without validation. So we're no closer to an answer ...
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Reg.T on 08 August, 2013, 05:15:51 pm
If it is 200/day, you may also need extra PoP, e.g first controls are at 69km and 249km (Tobermory), so if you only got to Oban on day 1 (210km) you'd presumably need PoP there for the ECE but not the Cal.  ???
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 08 August, 2013, 05:22:41 pm
If it is 200/day, you may also need extra PoP, e.g first controls are at 69km and 249km (Tobermory), so if you only got to Oban on day 1 (210km) you'd presumably need PoP there for the ECE but not the Cal.  ???
Yes. Which would be ridiculous, IMO!

ECE really does stretch our rules, perhaps best not to look too hard ...
(click to show/hide)

I'm also not entirely happy with the 200/day min every day interpretation. It almost makes 10kph an easier target on longer rides, cos of the extra flexibility. Not for me to say of course.

Another thing: we'll only do (probably!) 210km on the first day. What if you started a long perm at 6pm? Does the 200k/day rule become 200k-per-24hours?!? This seems creakier and creakier ...
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: The Walrus on 08 August, 2013, 05:42:58 pm
I see the route avoids Comrie..... but makes up for it by passing along Loch Eck 8)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: eck on 08 August, 2013, 05:53:05 pm
I see the route avoids Comrie..... but makes up for it by passing along Loch Eck 8)
And about time too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: DrMekon on 08 August, 2013, 06:40:10 pm
All this talk is making me realise I really do need to be extra lovely to my wife to ensure there are no pass problems.

And who thought audaxing could work to strengthen relationships!
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Euan Uzami on 08 August, 2013, 07:12:07 pm
I'm also not entirely happy with the 200/day min every day interpretation.
That isn't the correct interpretation. Any more than you have to do 15km in every hour of a BRM 200, say.
see http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=68736.5 <- I've been reliably informed by DIY org that this discussion is correct.

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 08 August, 2013, 07:49:36 pm
Quite, we've done this before. Should be addressed in this year's round of regulations updates to amend to 8 1/3 kph.

I'm also not entirely happy with the 200/day min every day interpretation.
That isn't the correct interpretation. Any more than you have to do 15km in every hour of a BRM 200, say.
see http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=68736.5 <- I've been reliably informed by DIY org that this discussion is correct.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: 321up on 08 August, 2013, 08:28:27 pm

<snip>

600+1300 gives you the magic 1900 and 10kph from the start of the 600.

The 1300 has a 12kph min average speed so that's fixed at 108h20m.

But 1900 at 10kph = 190 hours.

So you'd have 81h40m to do the 600 up to the start. That's more than enough time to do a leisurely 50 hour 600 and then have a day and a bit (31h40m) to rest before the start of the 1300.

Gets even better if you do 600+1300+600 as you'll have 12.5 days (300 hours at 200km per day) to do the whole thing. A fixed 108h20m for the 1300km calendar portion leaves 95h50m to do each 600 either side of it.

So, reading through the posts I think we have established that 200km per day is an average not a minimum per day so 'rest' days are allowed within the time limits at the controls.  I'm considering one of these strategies...

Option 1:  600km ECE + 1300km Calendar + 600km ECE   gives 95h50m to do each 600km (all eggs in one basket, greatest risk being out of time on one of the Calendar controls or an illness/injury/mechanical on the Calendar event)

Option 2:  600km of DIY Perm(s) from home & 1300km Calendar + 600km ECE  gives 81h40m to do the 600km home (6 points in the bag before the Calendar event, 19 points in the bag after the Calendar event)

I'm favouring option 2.  On a tandem we are twice as likely to be wiped out by an illness/injury (if one of us can't continue neither can the other).  If disaster strikes we take time to recover or repair the mechanical, then go to plan B which is to ride DIY perms home.

Hopefully no kittens will be harmed :P

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: teethgrinder on 08 August, 2013, 08:49:57 pm
So, reading through the posts I think we have established that 200km per day is an average not a minimum per day so 'rest' days are allowed within the time limits at the controls.  I'm considering one of these strategies...

Yes.
It was even recommended on the Grand Triangle to have a rest day.
When I rode the Grand Triangle in 1998 I fell behind my 11 day schedule and had to go to work, so got a train home from Newcastle. But I returned the next weekend to finish the ride in time after spending 4 days going to work.
Alas, it took me about 18 months to hand in my brevet, so allthough I had a good ride, I never gained any AUK points for my efforts. :facepalm: ;D
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Yossarian on 09 August, 2013, 07:27:08 am
Dare I ask what the Grand Triangle is?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 09 August, 2013, 07:53:33 am
I'm in  :thumbsup:

Note:

I have been asked to trim this thread by the originator and ask that subsequent posts are related to this event only.

If there are queries about other events and rides (e.g. the Grand Triangle) or general distance and time I suggest you PM the person involved or create another thread title.

If this thread wanders off topic, I have been asked to get the gardening fork out out turn it over.

You have been warned.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: 321up on 09 August, 2013, 10:10:59 am
I'm in  :thumbsup:

Note:

I have been asked to trim this thread by the originator and ask that subsequent posts are related to this event only.

If there are queries about other events and rides (e.g. the Grand Triangle) or general distance and time I suggest you PM the person involved or create another thread title.

If this thread wanders off topic, I have been asked to get the gardening fork out out turn it over.

You have been warned.

H

 :o It would be a pity if travel arrangements to get to an event could not be discussed in the main thread for the event.  The feedback we have got has been very useful, particularly the ECE timing information specific for this distance of this event  :thumbsup:.  It looks like the discussion has inspired others to consider riding an ECE or DIY Perm to this event and I think that is a positive outcome.  Some might be interested in a group Perm to this event.

In hindsight if I had intended it to be a topic for debate I could have created a separate thread "DIY or ECE to The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles 1300km" and I'll happily do that in future if it would please the originator (?).  If we are going to branch conversations related to an event into separate topics it would be helpful to have a sub board for each event like the LEL.

I'll try to understand what is appropriate for this topic and act accordingly  O:-)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: billplumtree on 09 August, 2013, 11:10:51 am
Hmm. Inspiration.  :) 

This ^   I've been looking for inspiration for a while:  it appears to have found me, tolchocked me about the gulliver, and robbed me of a tenner.
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Hillbilly on 09 August, 2013, 01:43:26 pm
Dare I ask what the Grand Triangle is?

A really expensive hirsute prostitute.

(whereas the Great Triangle was an audax perm that visited the extremities of the UK - see http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=20418.0)

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 August, 2013, 04:47:32 pm
Whom is going to complete the field ?  :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 August, 2013, 05:17:44 pm
Possibly me if there's any places left next month when I have some money again.

@skint.dotcom  :(
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: AlbertoC on 09 August, 2013, 05:51:37 pm
We've done most of these roads on consecutive tours of Scotland and can tell you that they're all superb. The scenery is fantastic, and out of 30 or so days of touring up there, I recall maybe 5-7 days of bad rain/wind and midges... Would love to do this as the ferries add a bit of fun to an already fantastic route, but unfortunately we will be off touring somewhere else. Will keep an eye out for all your reports when you get back ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 August, 2013, 06:16:12 pm
Possibly me if there's any places left next month when I have some money again.

@skint.dotcom  :(

Oh dear, therecould be  :'( before bedtime - fifty-nine of the sixty spaces have been sold.


I'm sure there will be the reknowned "manœuvre démocratique libéral" implemented, just to comply with CE requirements  ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 August, 2013, 06:32:20 pm
I hope to God this hasn't caught the eye of the Rapha lot. It sounds right up Ultan's street, and will guarantee rain.

https://vimeo.com/42826812

Get me on the job, and things will go swimmingly. I need an excuse to go back with a tripod to finish this preliminary sketch from years ago.


https://vimeo.com/1187139
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mds101 on 09 August, 2013, 08:14:01 pm
Entered the other day - last year I hated anything above 400, that changed this year with increased fitness and quite a bit of weight loss. I'd like to keep that going so thanks for the motivation. Not sure about 2500 though.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: yanto on 09 August, 2013, 08:42:25 pm
This will be an absolute knee buster for me, but I've paid, I await to see if I've secured the last place!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 August, 2013, 09:10:59 pm
This will be an absolute knee buster for me, but I've paid, I await to see if I've secured the last place!


Depends what your name is, PM me and your anxiety will be over (or just starting)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 09 August, 2013, 09:12:45 pm
 :o

That's going to be quite a trip in an orange blob! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Greenbank on 09 August, 2013, 09:29:56 pm
This will be an absolute knee buster for me, but I've paid, I await to see if I've secured the last place!


Depends what your name is, PM me and your anxiety will be over (or just starting)

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=74610.msg1535673#msg1535673
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 August, 2013, 09:39:20 pm

This will be an absolute knee buster for me, but I've paid, I await to see if I've secured the last place!


Depends what your name is, PM me and your anxiety will be over (or just starting)




You're in. - retirement over

I suppose some one should start a "Roll-call" thread, then it should be easy to work-out how many "Mystery geusts" there are  8)

EDIT : @ 22:01 on 09/08/13 to remove https link
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: yanto on 09 August, 2013, 10:04:05 pm
:o

That's going to be quite a trip in an orange blob!

I hope I survive to regret this very day!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 August, 2013, 10:42:18 pm
Can I have 1st dibs on a reserve list please  ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 10 August, 2013, 12:21:26 pm
I have started planning some route options and there is some issues with overnight sleeping.The problem with sleeping options for my planned schedule is at the end of day 2. Gairloch has some options and some options between there and Ullapool - but not many. The real constraint on the route is the ferry from Oban. http://www.calmac.co.uk/timetables/summer-timetables.htm?id=summer-mull--oban-craignure.png (http://www.calmac.co.uk/timetables/summer-timetables.htm?id=summer-mull--oban-craignure.png) shows the last ferry at 18:00 and the first the following morning at 07:45. Then there is 600 km to the lodge that Mr Blacksheep has booked.

I intend to ride this as a tour rather than a non-stop Audax and try to rest every night. The distances are long between watering holes in that part of the world and there is an almost total lack of 24 services of any kind. Riding through the night would involve filling water bottles as late as possible and buying food and been self sufficient until somewhere was found for breakfast.

Day 1 210 km - Sleep in Oban
Day 2 277 km - Gairloch 
Day 3 322 km - Sleep in the Trantlebeg lodge that I understand Mr Blacksheep has booked.
Day 4 303 km - Glencoe - SYHA with recpetion open untim 10:30pm
Day 5 186km - To finish

This is just what I have sketched out at the moment and is very much an initial idea. The 186 km on the last day leaves plenty of time to finish in 108 hours as this is 23:15 on the Friday.

Oh I am getting all excited
BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 10 August, 2013, 02:14:38 pm
I thought I had read that Mr Blacksheep had booked the Independent Hostel at Tranlebeg.

Did I dream this? I cannot find the post where I thought it had been mentioned.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 10 August, 2013, 02:17:04 pm
Check the rider email from him.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 10 August, 2013, 02:28:05 pm
Thanks Simon. I was beginning to think I had dream about it.

When you do some planning it is a little less fearsome.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mds101 on 10 August, 2013, 03:32:16 pm
Check the rider email from him.

Rider email?  Looks like I've missed that, when did that go out?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 10 August, 2013, 03:35:37 pm
Mine came on Wednesday.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MikeH on 10 August, 2013, 03:40:48 pm
Quote
Day 1 210 km - Sleep in Oban
Day 2 277 km - Gairloch 
Day 3 322 km - Sleep in the Trantlebeg lodge that I understand Mr Blacksheep has booked.
Day 4 303 km - Glencoe - SYHA with recpetion open untim 10:30pm
Day 5 186km - To finish

Had worked out the same plan last night.  Looks like there could be a fair number of people looking to the same little places to stay. ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: yanto on 10 August, 2013, 05:25:53 pm
I'm toying with the idea of taking camping stuff and wild camping, just stop when and where I like.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: billplumtree on 10 August, 2013, 06:04:04 pm
I did that a couple of years ago, on my Not the Portmahomack 400 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48188.msg960660#msg960660).  Trouble is, it's all just too nice.  I finished out of time by 11 days  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 August, 2013, 06:23:16 pm
Quote
Day 1 210 km - Sleep in Oban
Day 2 277 km - Gairloch 
Day 3 322 km - Sleep in the Trantlebeg lodge that I understand Mr Blacksheep has booked.
Day 4 303 km - Glencoe - SYHA with recpetion open untim 10:30pm
Day 5 186km - To finish

Had worked out the same plan last night.  Looks like there could be a fair number of people looking to the same little places to stay. ;)

Time to start the thread on panic booking of accommodation?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 10 August, 2013, 06:26:43 pm
You mean you haven't booked already :o

(I have a year to convince xxxxxxxx_xxxxx to support me with his campervan, though I doubt he'll go for it).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 10 August, 2013, 06:31:24 pm
Scottish hedges don't need to be booked thanks to the right to roam.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 10 August, 2013, 06:36:39 pm
Scottish hedges don't need to be booked thanks to the right to roam.

That is because hedges don't exist in that part of the world. ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: billplumtree on 10 August, 2013, 06:53:40 pm
(I have a year to convince xxxxxxxx_xxxxx to support me with his campervan, though I doubt he'll go for it).

Support?!  Who are you, and what have you done with Deano?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 10 August, 2013, 07:16:10 pm
(I have a year to convince xxxxxxxx_xxxxx to support me with his campervan, though I doubt he'll go for it).

Support?!  Who are you, and what have you done with Deano?

You can get three in that campervan...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: billplumtree on 10 August, 2013, 07:19:35 pm
Would Sir like any help in convincing xxxxxxxx_xxxxx?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Lightkeeper on 10 August, 2013, 08:29:08 pm
Scottish hedges don't need to be booked thanks to the right to roam.

That is because hedges don't exist in that part of the world. ;)

I can vouch for this.  Many years ago, I was in charge of the government's hedges policy in this part of the world.  At the time, the govt's policy was a definition of "hedges" such that we didn't have any.  Life was simple then.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 August, 2013, 11:42:36 am
I have started planning some route options and .....................................................

I intend to ride this as a tour rather than a non-stop Audax and try to rest every night. ........................................

Day 1 210 km - Sleep in Oban
Day 2 277 km - Gairloch 
Day 3 322 km - Sleep in the Trantlebeg lodge that I understand Mr Blacksheep has booked.
Day 4 303 km - Glencoe - SYHA with recpetion open untim 10:30pm
Day 5 186km - To finish  on the Friday.

Good man, thats probably the optimum tour plan

Glencoe has 42 beds, there's also the INCHREE LODGE Ind Hostel, they're capacity is  about 4 times bigger, on route and it cuts day4 to sub 300.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: 321up on 12 August, 2013, 09:31:30 pm
One of our concerns is arriving at accomidation too late due to lack of speed or delays on route.  Our experience on the LEL is that we only need 4 to 5 hrs sleep per night so a full night accomidation may not be necessary every night.  We are considering camping with an ultra lightweight tent such as...
http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/laser-photon-2-tent/ (http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/laser-photon-2-tent/)
... does anyone have any experience or advice regarding such a stratergy on a ride like this please?
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Feanor on 12 August, 2013, 10:24:24 pm
No way I could make the last Oban => Craignure ferry starting at 11:15am and the Lochranza => Kintyre ferry will not be running at midnight either. How is the use of these ferries intended to work given the constrained timetable? As far as I can see, I would be too late for the last ferry from Oban, and would be out of time by the time the next one sailed at 0745 I’d be well out of time.

Well, I've heard that the Most Secret And Noble Order of Audax Ecosse may have boatmen available at their beck and call at all the necessary crossings.
No waiting for ferries required.

The facilities may be available to others on receipt of a small consideration.

Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: mattc on 12 August, 2013, 11:10:03 pm
Well, I've heard that the Most Secret And Noble Order of Audax Ecosse may have boatmen available at their beck and call at all the necessary crossings.
No waiting for ferries required.

The facilities may be available to others on receipt of a small consideration.
This ride gets better and better.

(Will the boatmen accept English banknotes? )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 12 August, 2013, 11:24:36 pm
One of our concerns is arriving at accomidation too late due to lack of speed or delays on route.  Our experience on the LEL is that we only need 4 to 5 hrs sleep per night so a full night accomidation may not be necessary every night.  We are considering camping with an ultra lightweight tent such as...
http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/laser-photon-2-tent/ (http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/laser-photon-2-tent/)
... does anyone have any experience or advice regarding such a stratergy on a ride like this please?

Take plenty of midge repellant ;)
Title: Re: Monday July 21st 2014 - What will you be missing ..........
Post by: Feanor on 12 August, 2013, 11:46:32 pm
Well, I've heard that the Most Secret And Noble Order of Audax Ecosse may have boatmen available at their beck and call at all the necessary crossings.
No waiting for ferries required.

The facilities may be available to others on receipt of a small consideration.
This ride gets better and better.

(Will the boatmen accept English banknotes? )

For the avoidance of doubt, I should point out the post may contain traces of lies.

Possibly.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Phil W on 13 August, 2013, 12:00:15 am
:o

That's going to be quite a trip in an orange blob!

I hope I survive to regret this very day!

You'll probably make that last Oban ferry  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feline on 13 August, 2013, 12:03:45 am
I might very well turn up at a strategic place on this ride with my epic big tent and camping stove. I am not riding  :smug:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 13 August, 2013, 12:06:52 am
:o

That's going to be quite a trip in an orange blob!

I hope I survive to regret this very day!
You'll probably make that last Oban ferry  ;D
Can he not just make the bodyshell watertight and hoist sail (ana pirate flag, natch)

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: 321up on 13 August, 2013, 07:27:27 am
One of our concerns is arriving at accomidation too late due to lack of speed or delays on route.  Our experience on the LEL is that we only need 4 to 5 hrs sleep per night so a full night accomidation may not be necessary every night.  We are considering camping with an ultra lightweight tent such as...
http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/laser-photon-2-tent/ (http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/laser-photon-2-tent/)
... does anyone have any experience or advice regarding such a stratergy on a ride like this please?

Take plenty of midge repellant ;)

Goes without saying:  Avon skin so soft.  Beware of Deet which disolves synthetic materials.

Camping in a breezy coastal location is better than a sheltered wooded glade next to a river.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 13 August, 2013, 08:26:18 am
"... in a breezy coastal location"
may well join "Scenic" in the lexicon of double-edged audax descriptions.


Anyhoo ... i'm in a similar position. I'm just not fast enough to get 5-6 hours every night on this ride, so would consider roughing it (not for long, just cat-napping really) on perhaps 1 night. But it would have to fit round the ferries, the time limits, and provisioning opps [as I think BB mentioned earlier]. No fun trying to ride 150k thru the night with bugger-all water or food. I simply don't know enough of the terrain and facilites on this route to judge right now.
</pathetic southerner>
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 13 August, 2013, 08:42:10 am
Don't forget the clegs.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hillbilly on 13 August, 2013, 09:00:13 am
I simply don't know enough of the terrain and facilites on this route to judge right now.

There will probably be sheep to sleep amongst for warmth and provide an evening's "entertainment".  Just find a quiet bothy in a secluded spot.  Provided you can fight your way through the locals (not so much dogging, as sheepdogging).  Oh, wait, this is on the west coast...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairdy on 13 August, 2013, 09:21:38 am

Anyhoo ... i'm in a similar position. I'm just not fast enough to get 5-6 hours every night on this ride, so would consider roughing it (not for long, just cat-napping really) on perhaps 1 night.

Roughing it might not be such a good idea Matt. MIDGES!!
I'm still covered in bites from LEL. A very lightweight tent might be a good idea for emergencies.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 August, 2013, 09:29:02 am
Another vote for Avon Skin So Soft being your friend on this trip.

May also have lubricating properties for the afore-mentioned sheep.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 13 August, 2013, 09:31:58 am
I have ridden in midge season before, have no fear! (You'd be barmy to ride this route without some repellent, even doing hotels.)

Nevertheless, better to rough it with some planned kit, than a last-minute enfored bivvy outside a closed YH/b&b. (and cheaper).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: 321up on 13 August, 2013, 05:59:33 pm
I simply don't know enough of the terrain and facilites on this route to judge right now.

There will probably be sheep to sleep amongst for warmth and provide an evening's "entertainment".  Just find a quiet bothy in a secluded spot.  Provided you can fight your way through the locals (not so much dogging, as sheepdogging).  Oh, wait, this is on the west coast...

No sheep required for us  ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 13 August, 2013, 06:40:47 pm
You've not lived till you've encountered West Coast late July Midges.  Indescribable.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 13 August, 2013, 06:48:35 pm
It is one way of keeping riders moving. Just pray for a head wind.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eck on 13 August, 2013, 06:49:21 pm
You've not lived till you've encountered West Coast late July Midges.  Indescribable.
Tell us all about them Kev.

I remember my first audax-based encounter with midges, on my first  Daylight 600 in about 1997. I was riding with a guy from Brum, and we stopped at the (lovely) Princes House Hotel in Glenfinnan for a quick coke 'n' crisps boost about 9pm. Coming out again, we thought it would be a good idea to don leg warmers. We spent a few agonising moments flailing ineffectually and hopping about before we gave up and got on the bikes and tried to out-run the wee buggers.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 13 August, 2013, 06:59:31 pm
I remember TTTing on the Mull of Kintyre 600 a couple of years ago, not to avoid the wind but to get shelter from the midges  :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cyclops on 13 August, 2013, 07:08:21 pm
Practising a "Le Mans" style start is handy - sprint from the building, pick up your bike and do a flying leap onto the saddle all without breaking your stride or slowing down. Anyone who faffs is left to their fate.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Manotea on 13 August, 2013, 07:21:44 pm
I've just had a look at the route profile. The best way to describe it is as a fairly flat route near sea level punctuated by a 300m climb every 25km or so. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 August, 2013, 07:40:19 pm
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

What Manotea meant to write was:-

"I've just had a look at the route profile. The best way to describe it is as a fairly flat route near sea level punctuated by a 300m climb every 25km 22km or so".
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 13 August, 2013, 07:43:12 pm
It reminds me of a story someone told me about a biker who crashed into a ditch near Oban and was trapped under his bike for hours with a broken leg.  He had apparently went psychotic with the midges by the time an ambulance arrived, to the point that his broken leg was insignificant to him. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: hedgehog on 13 August, 2013, 07:47:15 pm
Reading this post I am curious as to where is everyone based that is planning to do this ride ? ::-)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Chris N on 13 August, 2013, 07:49:35 pm
You've not lived till you've encountered West Coast late July Midges.  Indescribable.

This is why I'm glad I haven't entered.  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 13 August, 2013, 07:51:45 pm
Stop for a pee. Better pee quickly...

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: 321up on 13 August, 2013, 10:09:31 pm
From what I can recall of Scotland last year the road surface quality is rather variable, so I'm wondering if going up a tyre size might be sensible.  Does anyone know what the state of the roads on the route is likely to be?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairdy on 13 August, 2013, 10:13:11 pm
I've not cycled much in the Highlands and Isles but done a lot of hill walking there and I'm well accustomed to midges.
I camped on my first few trips up there. Then moved on to hostels before graduating to a cottage just outside Kinlochleven.
We'd spend many a lovely Summer evening after a good walk locked inside the cottage watching the midges crawl all over the windows.



http://www.midgeforecast.co.uk/home 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Smee on 13 August, 2013, 11:36:27 pm
Stop for a pee. Better pee quickly...



Stopping to pee would be suicidal.  It is wiser to just let rip on the bike.  :hand:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 August, 2013, 11:38:47 pm
I remember TTTing on the Mull of Kintyre 600 a couple of years ago, not to avoid the wind but to get shelter from the midges  :demon:

I remember your photo from the C+ Torridon hostel weekend :(
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 14 August, 2013, 12:32:26 am
I've walked the West Highland Way, and was eaten alive! I wore shorts, long sleeved shirt, long socks and a hat and Midge net. My legs looked like I've been in the Sahara Sun for a week. Not brown from sunburn but dark brown from the midge bites merged  into one brown colour. Camping was... fun. It was hard to tell when the sun was up as the midges collected on the outside of the tent inner (mesh) attracted by your CO2 breath. Stopping for anything more than a minute meant being harassed by the little blighters.

Forget Tents, just buy Caffeine tablets and ride the thing in a oner.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 14 August, 2013, 01:02:44 am
Smear yourself with Marmite.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 14 August, 2013, 09:30:28 pm
I remember TTTing on the Mull of Kintyre 600 a couple of years ago, not to avoid the wind but to get shelter from the midges  :demon:

I remember your photo from the C+ Torridon hostel weekend :(

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4054/4341204339_57fd3b0cec_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4341204339/)
IMG_0044 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4341204339/) by The Pingus (http://www.flickr.com/people/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: crowriver on 14 August, 2013, 10:31:03 pm
Quote
Are Midges a Problem?
Midges can be a problem at certain times of year, usually from June until August. The culprits are the pregnant females seeking blood in order to produce their eggs. You should carry a midge repellant with you just in case.

http://www.west-highland-way.co.uk/ww_faq.asp#q18 (http://www.west-highland-way.co.uk/ww_faq.asp#q18)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eeymsmo on 15 August, 2013, 09:10:22 am
I have started planning some route options and there is some issues with overnight sleeping.The problem with sleeping options for my planned schedule is at the end of day 2. Gairloch has some options and some options between there and Ullapool - but not many. The real constraint on the route is the ferry from Oban. http://www.calmac.co.uk/timetables/summer-timetables.htm?id=summer-mull--oban-craignure.png (http://www.calmac.co.uk/timetables/summer-timetables.htm?id=summer-mull--oban-craignure.png) shows the last ferry at 18:00 and the first the following morning at 07:45. Then there is 600 km to the lodge that Mr Blacksheep has booked.

I intend to ride this as a tour rather than a non-stop Audax and try to rest every night. The distances are long between watering holes in that part of the world and there is an almost total lack of 24 services of any kind. Riding through the night would involve filling water bottles as late as possible and buying food and been self sufficient until somewhere was found for breakfast.

Day 1 210 km - Sleep in Oban
Day 2 277 km - Gairloch 
Day 3 322 km - Sleep in the Trantlebeg lodge that I understand Mr Blacksheep has booked.
Day 4 303 km - Glencoe - SYHA with recpetion open untim 10:30pm
Day 5 186km - To finish

This is just what I have sketched out at the moment and is very much an initial idea. The 186 km on the last day leaves plenty of time to finish in 108 hours as this is 23:15 on the Friday.

Oh I am getting all excited
BB

Which splits the climbing out as follows:

Day 1 - 2928m of Climbing:
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image.png)

Day 2 - 3858m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image1.png)

Day 3 - 5360m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image2.png)

Day 4 - 3645m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image3.png)

Day 5 - 1807m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image4.png)

Profiles from GoogleMap Cuesheet so probably not perfect. But the overall amount of climbing works out very close to the advertised figure
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hillbilly on 15 August, 2013, 09:21:50 am
I remember TTTing on the Mull of Kintyre 600 a couple of years ago, not to avoid the wind but to get shelter from the midges  :demon:

I remember your photo from the C+ Torridon hostel weekend :(

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4054/4341204339_57fd3b0cec_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4341204339/)
IMG_0044 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4341204339/) by The Pingus (http://www.flickr.com/people/the_pingus/), on Flickr

Heh.  Remembers summer holidays in a caravan and shudders at the horror, the horror.

Looks like they are having a siesta after a heavy session bingeing on human flesh.

[I love how the internet gives people the opportunity to get overly excitable about what they will encounter on an event that is just under 12 months away.  As an aside, organisers can look at the planner and get an insight into some interesting developments on the 1000km events front.  Act in haste....]
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 15 August, 2013, 03:28:17 pm
Day 4 - 3645m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image3.png)

Day 5 - 1807m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image4.png)

Profiles from GoogleMap Cuesheet so probably not perfect. But the overall amount of climbing works out very close to the advertised figure

I think the climb figures are somewhat too high.

Last year I followed the most of day 4's ride on my LEJOG looking at my ride tracks, the stretch Glencoe village-Syre was 1982 meters downhill (ie climb the other way), using ridewithGPS.com to plot a route Trantlebeg-Syre I get 428m, which gives a total of 2410 meters versus 3645.  The plot is from my Etrex 30 which I reckon is accurate to a few (<10) percent.

The only bits I recall as hard on that stretch were the climb away from Loch Ness and the one after Dingwall, otherwise it was a good deal easier than the average Audax - ie less than the typical 1% or so norm.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 August, 2013, 03:44:28 pm
Profiles from GoogleMap Cuesheet
er ... from what?

(Google keep adding stuff behind my back ... )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 15 August, 2013, 05:14:02 pm

............. (Google keep adding stuff behind my back ... )

What worries me is the 150' (or so) below sea level at about 16 miles (stage 1), again at about 92 miles on day 2.  :o :o

Were these measurements made by Google-boat or submarine
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eeymsmo on 15 August, 2013, 05:57:01 pm
Not an official Google tool, but very handy for quickly getting a gpx and profile out of a google map - http://www.winthefight.org/cuegle/

I'm guessing the -ve height is because it's using satellite mapped ground height, and at that point we'll be floating on a boat 150' above the ground.

That said apparently I dropped to 80 foot below sea level on Mille Alba last year dropping from the Cairngorm Snow Lodge down to Perth. I knew it was a long descent, but not that long....
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 15 August, 2013, 11:52:22 pm
As of now, event now closed to entries - although I'm sure a waiting list will start early next year.

Everyone should have received an initial acknowledement e-mail - which will have gone to the rider's e-mail.

So if you bought this as a surprise retirement gift, get onto their PC, or pray their spam filter was a bit harsh.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mds101 on 17 August, 2013, 09:18:44 pm
Day 4 - 3645m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image3.png)

Profiles from GoogleMap Cuesheet so probably not perfect. But the overall amount of climbing works out very close to the advertised figure

for one brief moment I was worried about what I'd signed up for, then i realised that the metres were feet :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Panoramix on 22 August, 2013, 03:19:11 pm
I am late to the party, I should read yacf more often!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jonah on 23 September, 2013, 03:10:00 pm
Would this ride count towards a Brevet 2,500?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Reg.T on 23 September, 2013, 03:24:20 pm
Do you mean the Brevet 25,000?

If so, then AIUI it could count as the 1300, 1000 part of one of the SRs, or the other points towards the 250 total. In other words, it isn't PBP, LEL or an Arrow! (As it's an AUK award, longer rides than the nominated distances can be used)

[Edit: originally typed 1200 instead of 1300]
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jonah on 23 September, 2013, 03:37:20 pm
Sorry, yes 25,000

I've just read the rules and it says you have to ride a 13,000K (I did PBP last time and have the Arrow and a 1,000 in the bag)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 23 September, 2013, 03:43:57 pm
Sorry, yes 25,000

I've just read the rules and it says you have to ride a 13,000K (I did PBP last time and have the Arrow and a 1,000 in the bag)

 :o

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jonah on 23 September, 2013, 10:07:50 pm
Do you mean the Brevet 25,000?

If so, then AIUI it could count as the 1300, 1000 part of one of the SRs, or the other points towards the 250 total. In other words, it isn't PBP, LEL or an Arrow! (As it's an AUK award, longer rides than the nominated distances can be used)

[Edit: originally typed 1200 instead of 1300]

Thanks Reg
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: dasmi on 26 September, 2013, 07:15:05 pm
Day 4 - 3645m of climbing
(http://napalmgram.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Image3.png)

Profiles from GoogleMap Cuesheet so probably not perfect. But the overall amount of climbing works out very close to the advertised figure

for one brief moment I was worried about what I'd signed up for, then i realised that the metres were feet :facepalm:

The metres look scary enough......guess whose name won't be on the waiting list :smug:

ENJOY

dave
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 15 October, 2013, 09:01:33 pm
Just booked my holiday for next year and managed to organise so I can make this ride with one day to spare. Almost had a LEL 2013 moment but managed to avoid it with a little negotiation.

 8)

Really looking forward to this. Going back to Scotland  :thumbsup: love it and hope for good weather.

Now have to get fit as I think this is a bit harder than PBP.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Smee on 25 October, 2013, 12:01:41 pm
Just been looking at the the route for this one.  Not really sure that riding along the A82 for long stretches in daylight during peak silly season is the best idea.  What are people's thoughts on alternative routes or riding that section at night?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 25 October, 2013, 12:21:34 pm
Not looked at the route at all, don't know the A82, but I have faith in the org that he has chosen the best roads for the circumstances. If you have local knowledge and know a better route, then drop him a line.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Smee on 25 October, 2013, 12:33:31 pm
Aye - that's the problem - there aren't many routes that go from Dingwall to Tyndrum.  One safer alternative would be the road south of Loch Ness, and to go round the coast from Ballachullish to Taynuilt rather than over Rannoch Moor.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 25 October, 2013, 12:58:03 pm
Aye - that's the problem - there aren't many routes that go from Dingwall to Tyndrum.  One safer alternative would be the road south of Loch Ness, and to go round the coast from Ballachullish to Taynuilt rather than over Rannoch Moor.

Surely that would impact on height climbed and therefore AAA points.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Revolution9 on 25 October, 2013, 01:32:30 pm
its more the ferry times i'm concerned about
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 25 October, 2013, 01:55:39 pm
Have they published their 2014 summer timetables yet?

The only concerns I have for this ride currently are whether I will get the miles in over winter and spring to make for an enjoyable summer campaign.

Ferries, roads, places to sleep - that's all the fun stuff and nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 25 October, 2013, 02:47:11 pm
Just been looking at the the route for this one.  Not really sure that riding along the A82 for long stretches in daylight during peak silly season is the best idea.  What are people's thoughts on alternative routes or riding that section at night?
The A82 north of Spean Bridge isnt one Id seek out but isn't a no-no in my view.  The addition of summer holiday traffic may actually help as the danger imho is oncoming overtaking vehicles - many stretches are old school A road and arent wide enough for 2 vehicles and a bike. 

I would suggest riding the A82 between Ballachulish and Bridge of Orchy either at night or very early morning - my Ballachulish 300k event in 2009 took this route leaving at 6am and a number of riders commented at how pleasant it was to ride over Rannoch Moor in such quiet conditions.  I last rode this stretch on a summer saturday afternoon in 2008 and wouldnt do it again.     
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Revolution9 on 25 October, 2013, 03:33:19 pm
Have they published their 2014 summer timetables yet?

No, I checked yesterday
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 25 October, 2013, 03:41:01 pm
Have they published their 2014 summer timetables yet?

No, I checked yesterday

Cool - I've never studied them intimately enough to know whether they change dramatically - but I personally will hold off on any scheduling until much closer to the event. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Revolution9 on 25 October, 2013, 03:49:33 pm
I hope there is an earlier one than 8am (as per the winter timetable) leaving Oban
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 25 October, 2013, 03:54:24 pm
Quote from: Veloman
Surely that would impact on height climbed and therefore AAA points.

No, The Route is measured in distance and in height using the shortest (google set to walking?) route from control to control. As the current Audax Rules state 'Allez Libre', we're free to chose our own route between controls. But if we differ from the authorised route, it is likely to be longer.

I have not given much thought to the A82. It is a busy daytime route! but I agree as others have said, very early morning, its likely to be quiet. But from Fort Bill to Tyndrom is around 50 miles so starting from Spean Bridge, or somewhere near, that puts us at Tyndrom ~5 hours after starting. Thats lunch time Friday, and some delivery drivers may be looking forward to the weekend instead of cyclists, tired after 5 days in the saddle. I'm looking at going down via Oban as its a quieter route, and then working my way back to Dunoon without riding on the A82. The problem will be trying to get the shortest route, which is likely to still be way over the min distance - following the A82. The route via Oban, south does zigzag a little, but the last control being Ardrossan - I may be able to go right down the west coast and back across from Bute. I've yet to look seriously at it - as its next summer and the time tables are not out yet.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 25 October, 2013, 04:37:09 pm
Quote from: Veloman
Surely that would impact on height climbed and therefore AAA points.

No, The Route is measured in distance and in height using the shortest (google set to walking?) route from control to control. As the current Audax Rules state 'Allez Libre', we're free to chose our own route between controls. But if we differ from the authorised route, it is likely to be longer.

Agreed and that's why I'm seeking out a hill between A and B that will gain AAA points and then doing it by a Traditional DIY but going a slightly longer distance (Via C) that excludes the AAA section but will enable me to claim the AAA points as no proof of ever going over the climb is required!  Just need proof I was at A and arrived at B. I amass a load of points that way without ever going over a hill.

Now, I'm not suggesting I would do that, but if you can change the route (Allez Libre) to miss climbing, and I assume Rannock Moor does contribute to the AAA, then surely this defeats the object of AAA and is outwith the spirit of the event.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 25 October, 2013, 06:30:51 pm
Dunno about the spirit, but I intend taking quiet roads if possible. I've driven Fort Bill to Crianlarich enough to know there are stretches where idiots drive as fast as they can, leaving little room for anything else.

There is a reason they no longer run the Daylight 600.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Henry on 25 October, 2013, 06:32:02 pm
Will you be partaking in this event Velo man?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 25 October, 2013, 06:51:23 pm
Will you be partaking in this event Velo man?

Does it matter?  My observation applies to any event that involves AAA points.

If I did ride it then I would ensure I went over the climbs that were required for AAA points, rather like I have done in all events with AAA points as I believe it is the appropriate thing to do.

I have also ridden Erskine Bridge to Fort Bill via Crianlarich by taking the A82 during daylight (I think we had lunch in Fort Bill) during an E2E in early July 2011 with 5 others, which no doubt helped, although we were doing in 'team time trial mode'.  (We did avoid the dual carriageway section between Erskine and Balloch.)  Not an ideal road and I would have preferred an eastern route, but it was not a Allez Libre event.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 25 October, 2013, 06:55:40 pm
Quote from: Veloman
Surely that would impact on height climbed and therefore AAA points.

No, The Route is measured in distance and in height using the shortest (google set to walking?) route from control to control. As the current Audax Rules state 'Allez Libre', we're free to chose our own route between controls. But if we differ from the authorised route, it is likely to be longer.

Agreed and that's why I'm seeking out a hill between A and B that will gain AAA points and then doing it by a Traditional DIY but going a slightly longer distance (Via C) that excludes the AAA section but will enable me to claim the AAA points as no proof of ever going over the climb is required!  Just need proof I was at A and arrived at B. I amass a load of points that way without ever going over a hill.

Now, I'm not suggesting I would do that, but if you can change the route (Allez Libre) to miss climbing, and I assume Rannock Moor does contribute to the AAA, then surely this defeats the object of AAA and is outwith the spirit of the event.

I think I am right in saying that a traditional DIY can only claim AAA points with GPS?

I suppose if you were able to get PoP at the summit of the road from A to B, then with an agreed contour count you might be able to make a paper DIY work for AAA.  But not if you go via C.

Anyway all OT and I am not sure of the point you are trying to make.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Henry on 25 October, 2013, 07:14:36 pm
No, it don't matter to me. But this thread is for the discussion and planning of this particular randonee. I wouldn't seriously imagine anyone committed to riding it would be concerned with trying to "cheat" an obscure rule.

The AAA system is in place just to provide fun and challenge to riders who wish, and is run by the goodwill of volunteers don't forget.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 25 October, 2013, 07:27:49 pm
........... and is run by the goodwill of volunteers don't forget.

As is all AUK activity.

I am acutely aware of the volunteer aspect, being one myself, not only for audax but for other deserving causes (IMO).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 25 October, 2013, 09:24:30 pm
The obvious alternative to the latter part of the A82, turning right at Ballachulish and following the A828 is 5km longer and has approximately 5% more ascent (looking at the whole leg from Spean Bridge to Inveraray).... but it's mostly of lots of little lumps, no single big drag like Glencoe.

Can't see way of avoiding the A82 on the run down the Great Glen though, not without adding quite a lot of km and ascent as well.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Lady Cavendish on 25 October, 2013, 10:08:48 pm
I'm not doing the event.... But I have ridden this section of the A82 3 times in daylight and never saw any issue with it.... I'd quite happily cycle it over and over
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 15 November, 2013, 05:28:45 pm
I know that it is a long way off but I have been doing some planning on the route up. Starting on Monday I could not resist some weekend riding. I live in Reading and needed to take a jump up north. I have planed a route starting from Darlington and going to Carlisle, then up to Kilmarnock for the Sunday night leaving a short ride to catch the ferry in time for the start.

I was wondering if anyone would be up for a weekend ride? The route from Darlington allows for train connections from London and the south and from the north as well. If the summer timetable is the same as last year there will be a direct train that will get me there for 11am to midday on the Saturday. Leaving time enough for a 100 mile ride over to Carlisle.

Just a idea at the moment. But one that I think could work and not leave me too tired for the 1300 km ride that will follow.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 November, 2013, 05:33:56 pm
@BB: There are two of us going up from DPCC. Current plan is to car/van share, although we haven't planned any more than that, and it may well change. Just FYI etc etc ...

[If i was Billy no-mates, I'd be tempted by a ride like yours, then train home from the finish. Although Carlisle-Broddick looks like about 200km; so those 2 days are probably a bit much for my little legs. Perhaps a 3-day version!]
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 16 November, 2013, 09:20:11 am
@BB: There are two of us going up from DPCC. Current plan is to car/van share, although we haven't planned any more than that, and it may well change. Just FYI etc etc ...

[If i was Billy no-mates, I'd be tempted by a ride like yours, then train home from the finish. Although Carlisle-Broddick looks like about 200km; so those 2 days are probably a bit much for my little legs. Perhaps a 3-day version!]
I have relatives that live quite close to the finish and plan on sleeping then catching the train from there. It is about 30 miles from the finish so hope my legs are fine.

I am going to France for two weeks after that and have to on a ferry on Sunday night.

The routes I have in mind for the Saturday will go over the Pennines and the route for Sunday is quite flat because the A76 is an old coaching road - think the BC between Llandovery and Brecon.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 17 November, 2013, 11:00:36 am
Does anyone have a gpx yet?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 November, 2013, 02:38:44 pm
Does anyone have a gpx yet?

Have you had a look on the calendar page for the event?

Looking at the route sheet, this won't be a navigation challenging event.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 17 November, 2013, 02:43:52 pm
I know that it is a long way off but I have been doing some planning on the route up. Starting on Monday I could not resist some weekend riding. I live in Reading and needed to take a jump up north. I have planed a route starting from Darlington and going to Carlisle, then up to Kilmarnock for the Sunday night leaving a short ride to catch the ferry in time for the start.

I was wondering if anyone would be up for a weekend ride? The route from Darlington allows for train connections from London and the south and from the north as well. If the summer timetable is the same as last year there will be a direct train that will get me there for 11am to midday on the Saturday. Leaving time enough for a 100 mile ride over to Carlisle.

Just a idea at the moment. But one that I think could work and not leave me too tired for the 1300 km ride that will follow.

BB

I live in Darlo - but I haven't given much thought to getting there yet. Probably a train to Glasgow and another one out to the coast the day before, and maybe a wee dawdle around Arran on the Sunday.

If I do decide to ride up, I'll keep an eye out for you. Not sure I really fancy the A76 mind, I've ridden along it a few times, and never really enjoyed it. Some fairly fast-moving traffic (though infrequent), and some really shit towns. I'd be looking into swinging a bit further west, through Dalmellington and St John's Town of Dairy.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 17 November, 2013, 03:51:45 pm
I know that it is a long way off but I have been doing some planning on the route up. Starting on Monday I could not resist some weekend riding. I live in Reading and needed to take a jump up north. I have planed a route starting from Darlington and going to Carlisle, then up to Kilmarnock for the Sunday night leaving a short ride to catch the ferry in time for the start.

I was wondering if anyone would be up for a weekend ride? The route from Darlington allows for train connections from London and the south and from the north as well. If the summer timetable is the same as last year there will be a direct train that will get me there for 11am to midday on the Saturday. Leaving time enough for a 100 mile ride over to Carlisle.

Just a idea at the moment. But one that I think could work and not leave me too tired for the 1300 km ride that will follow.

BB

I live in Darlo - but I haven't given much thought to getting there yet. Probably a train to Glasgow and another one out to the coast the day before, and maybe a wee dawdle around Arran on the Sunday.

If I do decide to ride up, I'll keep an eye out for you. Not sure I really fancy the A76 mind, I've ridden along it a few times, and never really enjoyed it. Some fairly fast-moving traffic (though infrequent), and some really shit towns. I'd be looking into swinging a bit further west, through Dalmellington and St John's Town of Dairy.
I know the route west of the A76 is better but there would be the 1300km Audax to complete afterwards, also my in-laws live close to the road and I would be popping in for cake.


BB

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 17 November, 2013, 10:20:36 pm
Does anyone have a gpx yet?

Have you had a look on the calendar page for the event?

Looking at the route sheet, this won't be a navigation challenging event.

Quite so. 
In parts six or seven lines of instruction per 100km !
However I have converted the .kml on the calendar page to .gpx and split it down into sections between controls & the ferry crossings.
Northbound is http://sdrv.ms/18ghwFI
Southbound is http://sdrv.ms/18ghIVe
no guarantees expressed or implied that these are correct !


Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 20 December, 2013, 06:48:23 pm
Calmac summer timetables are now online
Serious planning panicking may now commence.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 20 December, 2013, 07:29:50 pm
... as they were in August, when this thing was announced.

Did you not get your planning done then?  ::-)   (EDIT: I'd suggest leaving your panicking as late as possible :) )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 20 December, 2013, 07:57:26 pm
... as they were in August, when this thing was announced.

Did you not get your planning done then?  ::-)

There was me hoping that Summer 2014 might offer some different sailing times than 2013, like something that means we not going to be already nearly 4 hours hors délai by the time we get on to Mull on the Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: shyumu on 04 January, 2014, 05:58:03 pm
Hoping to get my name on the waiting list.  Would be nice to meet you all on this jaunt.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 04 January, 2014, 08:30:21 pm
Hoping to get my name on the waiting list.  Would be nice to meet you all on this jaunt.
Is it the Audax or Scotland that has you attracted?

I have used the following to book places to sleep over the last couple of years.

http://www.hostel-scotland.co.uk/ (http://www.hostel-scotland.co.uk/)
http://www.independenthostelguide.co.uk/index.php (http://www.independenthostelguide.co.uk/index.php)

Some of the places allow 24 hours access. Before the event I an doing a ride and have booked a hostel for £10 + £1 for towel hire near Carlisle.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: shyumu on 04 January, 2014, 10:51:46 pm
I'm interested in doing a longer distance than 600 this year, and I'm attracted by the company of riders doing this one - I think the route looks lovely, but I'm mainly attracted by knowing who else is doing it.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ray 6701 on 26 January, 2014, 05:30:27 pm
May I suggest a hashtag for the twitter users amongst us.

#Hgwi1300
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 26 January, 2014, 05:36:18 pm
May I suggest a hashtag for the twitter users amongst us.

#Hgwi1300
Sorreeeeeee - I've already sent about 80 with #1300hgwi

My bad!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ray 6701 on 26 January, 2014, 06:03:10 pm
May I suggest a hashtag for the twitter users amongst us.

#Hgwi1300
Sorreeeeeee - I've already sent about 80 with #1300hgwi

My bad!

#1300hgwi "no results found"

Ya little fibber you  :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 29 January, 2014, 09:48:45 pm
Booked my Hostel accommodation. know (sort of) what kit I'm taking. Just need to keep riding until the summer to maintain fitness and book my ferry tickets, and get to the start.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 02 February, 2014, 05:35:37 pm
Ianmidds - my approved chauffeur for the scottish trip - is pulling out due to some nonsense family/work stuff (he doesn't post here much).

This means I shall be spending hours in the coming months mulling over travel plans when I should be working/doingsomethingmoreusefulinstead!

Bad luck Ian, if you're reading this - I'm sure you'll do a proper ride one day. ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 05 February, 2014, 05:52:33 pm
Matt, (or anyone else interisted)

I have a trip all planned and booked. Train to Darlington, ride to Carlisle, sleep, ride to the start and catch the last ferry Sunday night, all ready for the Monday start.

I plan to catch the train back on Saturday. You need to get to Carlisle (trains from Kilmarnock) and then there are direct trains to Reading.

I would like the idea of company on the trip.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 05 February, 2014, 06:59:21 pm
Are you really sure you want to go to Kilmarnock?  :o

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 06 February, 2014, 07:35:49 am
Are you really sure you want to go to Kilmarnock?  :o
I think I said I would go and catch a train. Would I stop on the way through? I have relatives in Auchinleck, might try to ride there on Friday but I fear the pull of beer when (if?) I complete this ride.

The other option I see is go to Glasgow and get the same train to the 'land of the soft blokes'.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 14 February, 2014, 05:29:37 pm
Talking with LWaB last night and he is concerned that the ride will need a turn of pace to make certain ferries (he isn't riding, but did study it).  Personally, I think there are only a couple of stages where there is a minor concern - and it is minor.  Hit the ferries and the stages between them only need a bottom speed of 15-16kph to make the next one - famous last words, but shouldn't cause too many dramas.

We will all arrive at Craignure @ 08:30 on Tuesday morning (unless anyone convinces a fisherman to take them across the night before).  We will all be out of time at the Tobermory control but, whatever. 

The next ferry is at Tobermory - 35 km away.  There is a ferry @ 11:00 - sure, it isn't flat (roughly 400m of ascent in the 35km) and it often takes a few minutes to disembark etc., but that is still over 2 hours to ride 35km.  So, I don't think it should cause any dramas - missing this ferry would probably start to put the next stage out of reach though (2 hours until next ferry).

So, we should arrive into Kilchoan at 11:35 and the next goal is Mallaig at 95km distance - last ferry at 18:00. Call it 10-15 minutes to disembark - 6 hours and 15 minutes to ride 95km, with around 1800m of ascent.  Again, I think we will all be bunched back up and able to make use of group riding - though it is quite hilly.  But still - that's 6 hours to ride less than 100km

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7305/12524013404_ac6536b8eb_c.jpg)

Once we make that Mallaig ferry (340km) that's it for ferries for over 900km.

Am I missing anything? 

Sure, there's a million and one other things that might scupper us - but if the ferries run to schedule, I really don't think that anyone need worry overly?

Once ferry stresses are dealt with, we can worry about food and accommodation next.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 14 February, 2014, 06:16:59 pm
Thanks Marcus, I hadn't given ferries any serious thought. I need to find out the first ferry to Arran as I plan to stsy with friends on the mainland and get a ferry over for the start.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Lars on 14 February, 2014, 10:05:11 pm
Talking with LWaB last night and he is concerned that the ride will need a turn of pace to make certain ferries (he isn't riding, but did study it).  Personally, I think there are only a couple of stages where there is a minor concern - and it is minor.  Hit the ferries and the stages between them only need a bottom speed of 15-16kph to make the next one - famous last words, but shouldn't cause too many dramas.

We will all arrive at Craignure @ 08:30 on Tuesday morning (unless anyone convinces a fisherman to take them across the night before).  We will all be out of time at the Tobermory control but, whatever. 

The next ferry is at Tobermory - 35 km away.  There is a ferry @ 11:00 - sure, it isn't flat (roughly 400m of ascent in the 35km) and it often takes a few minutes to disembark etc., but that is still over 2 hours to ride 35km.  So, I don't think it should cause any dramas - missing this ferry would probably start to put the next stage out of reach though (2 hours until next ferry).

So, we should arrive into Kilchoan at 11:35 and the next goal is Mallaig at 95km distance - last ferry at 18:00. Call it 10-15 minutes to disembark - 6 hours and 15 minutes to ride 95km, with around 1800m of ascent.  Again, I think we will all be bunched back up and able to make use of group riding - though it is quite hilly.  But still - that's 6 hours to ride less than 100km

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7305/12524013404_ac6536b8eb_c.jpg)

Once we make that Mallaig ferry (340km) that's it for ferries for over 900km.

Am I missing anything? 

Sure, there's a million and one other things that might scupper us - but if the ferries run to schedule, I really don't think that anyone need worry overly?

Once ferry stresses are dealt with, we can worry about food and accommodation next.

Thanks for sharing the analysis Marcus - seems like if you're aware of the time constraints and have your gear,
energy levels and mind as far as possible prepared to avoid any unnecessary time-sink stops it seems feasible to
get through the timing bottlenecks in one piece if conditions are ok.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 14 February, 2014, 10:20:07 pm
Seems a sound analysis to me. Obviously, even if anyone does manage to get onto Oban early, either by racing to catch the last ferry or rowing across, there's not much point, as they'd still have a night on Mull before the first ferry off the island. A couple hours' advantage, maybe, but not worth flaying yourself for.

It all looks like good fun.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 14 February, 2014, 10:35:02 pm
Seems a sound analysis to me. Obviously, even if anyone does manage to get onto Oban early, either by racing to catch the last ferry or rowing across, there's not much point, as they'd still have a night on Mull before the first ferry off the island. A couple hours' advantage, maybe, but not worth flaying yourself for.

It all looks like good fun.

I think part of the genius and appeal for this ride is we are sort of forced to endure enjoy each other's company far more than on a usual ride for at least that first 340km. We will all be on the same ferries so everyone from fast to slow will be back together regularly.

It is going to be a wild tour of some very beautiful parts of the world and I can not wait.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 14 February, 2014, 10:46:39 pm
Absolutely! It'll be a blast. People keep telling me it's impossible - which is hardly likely to put me off, but I'm in it for the ride, rather than the points.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 14 February, 2014, 10:59:13 pm
It is far from impossible and I think the ferry logistics work just fine. The two legs I have highlighted are the only two where things could go belly up if you don't manage the pace (but we are talking about riding at a minimum of 15 and a bit kph - that should present no challenges for anyone on this ride, barring any major mechanicals or weather events).

My experiences of Calmac are that you could ring them up and tell them 60 cyclists are running a little behind schedule and might miss the last ferry and they'd probably hold the ferry for us!

It is going to be a jolly good adventure for sure and something so different to pretty much everything else in the calendar.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 15 February, 2014, 08:33:49 am
I am more than a little surprised that no one has posted as to what the beer situation is. I am hoping there will be at the various stops along the way.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 15 February, 2014, 08:45:30 am
There might be beer but it will probably be shit.

Its Scotland, remember.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 15 February, 2014, 08:55:44 am
Yes, I am prepared for the 80' experience however the last few times I have been there has yielded a surprising array of fine beer.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 15 February, 2014, 08:53:03 pm
If you are staying on Arran, there are three beers from the Arran brewery which might tickle your taste buds. Thats just the start!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 17 February, 2014, 01:09:51 pm
There will inevitably be others that are worth a try e.g. The Isle of Skye brewery make some excelent beers but I reckon that you will probably see quite a lot of these guys (even if its just in bottle rather than draught its better than the usual "mass produced rubbish" suspects). 

http://www.scottishbrewing.com/breweries/orkneyandshetland/orkney.php

http://www.scottishbrewing.com/breweries/orkneyandshetland/atlas-range.php

Same parent company, different brands.  Nimbus is a particular favourite of mine, very refreshing during our long hot summers in Scotland.   
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 17 February, 2014, 01:25:11 pm
Marvellous news and ideal carbo loading preparation possible on the night before  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 February, 2014, 02:12:23 pm
Whilst my next project is an interactive Google map of all known purveyors of sports recovery power drinks along the route, here's something not quite as useful - GPS and elevations for each stage:

Stage 1-1 Broderick-Lochranza - 23.9km with estimated elevation gain 339m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049502

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/12589432543_b123ef64d2_c.jpg)

Stage 1-2 Claonaig-Campbell Town - 45.4km with estimated elevation gain 855m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049516

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7337/12589432473_76abf5922e_c.jpg)

Stage 2 Campbell Town-Lochgilphead - 81.1km with estimated elevation gain 958m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049528

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/12589432443_47c57121bb_c.jpg)

Stage 3-1 Lochgilphead-Oban - 60.9km with estimated elevation gain 977m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049533

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3791/12589326835_5a4a3ff9ba_c.jpg)

Stage 3-2 Craignure-Tobermory - 33.5km with estimated elevation gain 407m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049536

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3743/12589762204_33f6dbc31e_c.jpg)

Stage 4-1 Kilchoan-Mallaig - 92.2km with estimated elevation gain 1851m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049541

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7337/12589762194_820fc543e7_c.jpg)

Stage 4-2 Armadale-Broadford - 26.5km with estimated elevation gain 325m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4049544

(https://s1.yimg.com/sj/2820/12589431433_0a7a1fa719_c.jpg)

Stage 5 Broadford-Gairloch - 122.9km with estimated elevation gain 1820m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4051427

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3666/12589762084_761e171e49_c.jpg)

Stage 6 Gairloch-Ullapool - 90.1km with estimated elevation gain 1507m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061224

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5499/12589326525_a442962274_c.jpg)

Stage 7 Ullapool-Lochinvar - 48.4km with estimated elevation gain 1004m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061229

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5501/12589432023_edcabe60a4_c.jpg)

Stage 8 Lochinvar-Durness - 84.8km with estimated elevation gain 1552m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061237

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/12589761894_1f62b2a27b_c.jpg)

Stage 9 Durness-Trantlebeg - 99.6km with estimated elevation gain 1626m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061246

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3721/12589761714_d8984d1140_c.jpg)

Stage 10 Trantlebeg-Lairg - 100.9km with estimated elevation gain 985m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061251

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3739/12589761644_1943ee0592_c.jpg)

Stage 11 Lairg-Dingwall - 61.1km with estimated elevation gain 674m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061262

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2885/12589431683_9773f406b0_c.jpg)

Stage 12 Dingwall-Spean Bridge - 102.2km with estimated elevation gain 1490m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061271

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/12589431553_a6a71d82fb_c.jpg)

Stage 13 Spean Bridge-Inverarary - 125km with estimated elevation gain 1421m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061287

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5533/12589761384_7dfc3a322c_c.jpg)

Stage 14-1 Inverarary-Dunoon - 61.6km with estimated elevation gain 695m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061292

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7444/12589326235_377dc8f971_c.jpg)

Stage 14-2 Dunoon-Ardrossen - 41.2km with estimated elevation gain 281m

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4061301

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3816/12589326065_041906d025_c.jpg)

Usual disclaimers - if you get lost following these, it ain't my fault (well, technically it is, but if you can't be arsed to do your own and follow some idiot off the Internet's interpretation of the routesheet, then that's down to you!)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 17 February, 2014, 03:06:06 pm
Quote from: '
.. long hot summers in Scotland.

Thats right folks, keep your eye's peeled for Long Hot Scottish Summers, Hurds of Haggis galloping across the slopes of the Highland Glens and especially watch out for piles of rockin horse Sh*t on the roads, as it really pongs!!   ;D

 :thumbsup:

Seriously, I'm hoping for mild weather as I don't want to have to carry too much water, and cool breezes are good for keeping the midges down.

Thanks for the breakdown Marcus. I'm yet to map this in detail, for five GPS files.

Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: rabbit on 17 February, 2014, 03:15:45 pm
Cor blimy I wish I could do this one.  It sounds absolutely amazing.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Henry on 17 February, 2014, 03:24:37 pm
For various reasons I am out  :'(

However that means a place for some other eager cyclist  8)

I can't just give you my place though unfortunately Rabbit, I would guess Señor Blacksheep has a waiting list. Priority decided by who has bought him the most "sports nutrition drinks" in The Royal Hop Pole..?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 February, 2014, 03:25:28 pm
Is it too late to switch to the MC1K?  :(

Marcus, I think we could have managed without the stage 1-1 profile ;)
What is interesting from those breakdowns is that not a single stage drops below the 1000m/100km 'average' that I use as a rule-of-thumb for Englandshire rides. Now this reminds us that it's a very hilly ride, but on the plus side the climbing is evenly spread. Surely a good thing?  :-\

If you are seriously considering something like:
"next project is an interactive Google map of all known purveyors of sports recovery power drinks* along the route"
I wonder if it's worth setting a collaboration up? Logins issued to verifiable entrants (except me, as I'll probably contribute feck-all). You can always lock it down as soon as some idiot goes a bit mad!



*sports recovery power drinks - I assume this is scotch for "pubs"
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 February, 2014, 03:48:17 pm
Marcus, I think we could have managed without the stage 1-1 profile ;)
What is interesting from those breakdowns is that not a single stage drops below the 1000m/100km 'average' that I use as a rule-of-thumb for Englandshire rides. Now this reminds us that it's a very hilly ride, but on the plus side the climbing is evenly spread. Surely a good thing?  :-\

If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing properly......

Yep - it certainly appears hilly on paper a computer screen.  I'd guess there's reasonable opportunity for some inaccuracy in those calculations with the terrain (rolling through glens etc.); but I'd take the profiles as roughly correct if not the exact climbing figures.

The climbing does look evenly spread - a couple of pretty choppy stages though.  There's some flatter stuff when we're alongside lochs etc.

Anyway, we hardly go much above 200 metres - can't be that hilly now can it?

It's going to be an interesting challenge in terms of equipment choice - we're very self-sufficient and will have to carry more than we normally might (particularly those thinking of bivvy bags etc.).  One thing is for sure after having checked a few roads out on Streetview, you will want to pack a small camera - it's a bit pretty!


Is it too late to switch to the MC1K?  :(

Not too late if you can't handle the real deal Audax!   ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 17 February, 2014, 04:02:18 pm
Is it too late to switch to the MC1K?  :(

Marcus, I think we could have managed without the stage 1-1 profile ;)
What is interesting from those breakdowns is that not a single stage drops below the 1000m/100km 'average' that I use as a rule-of-thumb for Englandshire rides. Now this reminds us that it's a very hilly ride, but on the plus side the climbing is evenly spread. Surely a good thing?  :-\


Since the Highland is mountainous, the height readings given are really quite misleading, based as they are on interpolations. Example Spean Bridge Dingwall is shown in RidewithGPS as 1490 meters. My Lejog track using a Etrex30 shows 901 meters. So less than 1% per km.  The only significant climbs on that stage IIRC are Beauly-Loch Ness and less so over a morraine from Loch Lochy past the Commando Memorial to Spean Bridge. The rest was mainly running alongside the lochs of the Great Glen.

Similar story with the other bits I rode.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 February, 2014, 04:03:44 pm
If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing properly......

In that case, could you please draw them all to the same scale please? Thanks  :-*
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 17 February, 2014, 04:19:58 pm
Marcus, I think we could have managed without the stage 1-1 profile ;)
What is interesting from those breakdowns is that not a single stage drops below the 1000m/100km 'average' that I use as a rule-of-thumb for Englandshire rides. Now this reminds us that it's a very hilly ride, but on the plus side the climbing is evenly spread. Surely a good thing?  :-\

If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing properly......

Yep - it certainly appears hilly on paper a computer screen.  I'd guess there's reasonable opportunity for some inaccuracy in those calculations with the terrain (rolling through glens etc.); but I'd take the profiles as roughly correct if not the exact climbing figures.

The climbing does look evenly spread - a couple of pretty choppy stages though.  There's some flatter stuff when we're alongside lochs etc.

Anyway, we hardly go much above 200 metres - can't be that hilly now can it?

It's going to be an interesting challenge in terms of equipment choice - we're very self-sufficient and will have to carry more than we normally might (particularly those thinking of bivvy bags etc.).  One thing is for sure after having checked a few roads out on Streetview, you will want to pack a small camera - it's a bit pretty!



My experience of the west coast from touring up there last summer is when you're right alongside the coast it can be really lumpy. It's easier the more inland you are.
For example I planned on going over bealach na ba, have lunch in applecross and then have a "leisurely" ride round the north of that peninsula. That road was really hard going. We're not going over there, but a lot of the terrain is similar.


Is it too late to switch to the MC1K?  :(

do both!  ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 February, 2014, 04:26:56 pm
Indeed. I have limited experience of the area, but I fear the coastal sections much more than the mountain passes.
(MC1K was much the same funnily enough!)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 17 February, 2014, 06:42:24 pm
Around the Coigach from Ullapool to Lochinver is quite hilly - but at least we skip the Drumbeg road.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 17 February, 2014, 06:56:59 pm
Shame the Altnaharrie ferry (across Loch Broom to Ullapool) doesn't exist any more - that would have saved us that schlep along the Inverness-Ullapool road.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mds101 on 17 February, 2014, 08:16:30 pm
Thanks for those Marcus that looks pretty good......so is it time now to start getting excited?

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 17 February, 2014, 09:43:56 pm
I rode up those sections on a combination of Hummers Lumpy End 2 End last year and on the  CTC 'Scenic'  route for LEJoG eleven years ago.

The names of the routes gives one a clue as to the terrain that awaits.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 18 February, 2014, 02:36:49 pm
Another Highlands based brewery worth a mention - made nr Inverness - 

http://www.blackislebrewery.com/beer/Beers.html

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 25 February, 2014, 08:47:27 pm

I think part of the genius and appeal for this ride is we are sort of forced to endure enjoy each other's company far more than on a usual ride for at least that first 340km. We will all be on the same ferries so everyone from fast to slow will be back together regularly.

It is going to be a wild tour of some very beautiful parts of the world and I can not wait.

I will follow this topic with a lot of interest. My cyclingmate Richard and I will certainly join you this edition!

We're two Dutchies experiencing the Scottish landscape with you this year.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: billplumtree on 26 February, 2014, 08:13:49 am
I will follow this topic with a lot of interest. My cyclingmate Richard and I will certainly join you this edition!

We're two Dutchies experiencing the Scottish landscape with you this year.

Welcome!  May I remind other riders that they might catch up with Walter or Richard riding on the wrong side of the road, particularly towards the end of the event.  If so, they should shout a warning and then simply pass the Dutchie on the left hand side.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 26 February, 2014, 08:57:30 am
That is just awful!  And you've got the song stuck in my head now.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 26 February, 2014, 05:28:08 pm
Are any of you planning to ride as a group?

Is anyone considering a fast time?

Is there anyone riding that live's along the route, give or take the odd km or five?

Are their any of you that's are attempting this sort of distance for the first time?



If there is, please contact me by pm off list please
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 02 March, 2014, 11:41:14 am
I rode the KVR yesterday and was today contemplating my plans for the summer. One important item was missing - watering hole at the end of the Scottish ride to exchange stories with other sleep deprived soles. Saltcoats and Ardrossan lacks any bar / pub / watering hole that I can find.

It does have a Wetherspoons, but in looks like it has no space at the back for parking my bike and has poor reviews.

Please help a thirsty cyclist.

BB

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jredstone on 02 March, 2014, 12:17:15 pm
Just buy an offy and sit on the pavement.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 02 March, 2014, 09:35:56 pm
Ardrossan lacks pubs?  This is Scotland we are talking about!

I fancy this place http://www.garfields.me.uk (http://www.garfields.me.uk)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 02 March, 2014, 10:50:49 pm
There is a good curry house in Salt coats called Motherland Spice
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 03 March, 2014, 03:21:57 pm
As promised, entry for this event has been re-opened.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 06 March, 2014, 09:58:26 pm
@BlackSheep: how many cyclists will pass us Dutchies on the left hand side?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: sg37409 on 06 March, 2014, 10:13:01 pm
Best place for a drink and eat would be on the "north shore" road on the approach to ardrossan just after seamill.  The waterside.
But, you'd still have a few K to go before the finish in Ardrossan. Cracking chippy at top of glasgow street, the road down to the pier.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 06 March, 2014, 10:31:08 pm
If it hasnt happened already Id urge contact with CalMac in advance.

Ive found that from experience on the Port Navigation & Mull It Over that it can help greatly.  A load of cyclists turning up unexpectedly could see them play hard ball over their published 30 minute check in (they do reserve the right to apply it) and it could mean 90 minutes rather than 2 hours for the 35km to Tobermory.   
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 06 March, 2014, 10:36:51 pm
If it hasnt happened already Id urge contact with CalMac in advance.

Ive found that from experience on the Port Navigation & Mull It Over that it can help greatly.  A load of cyclists turning up unexpectedly could see them play hard ball over their published 30 minute check in (they do reserve the right to apply it) and it could mean 90 minutes rather than 2 hours for the 35km to Tobermory.

Cheers m'dear  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 21 March, 2014, 11:09:26 am
SYHA latest report on GairlochYH:

Following the storms in December 2013, which damaged the roof of Gairloch Youth Hostel, staff at SYHA Hostelling Scotland have been working hard with our insurers, loss adjusters and local contractors to make sure the building can reopen as soon as possible.

The extent of the damage to the roof and inside the building has now been confirmed and we are looking at a number of solutions.  At the current time, we estimate the youth hostel will not reopen until June.  We remain optimistic that the repairs can be completed by then and are now taking bookings for 1st July onwards.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 21 March, 2014, 01:57:58 pm
SYHA latest report on GairlochYH:

Following the storms in December 2013, which damaged the roof of Gairloch Youth Hostel, staff at SYHA Hostelling Scotland have been working hard with our insurers, loss adjusters and local contractors to make sure the building can reopen as soon as possible.

The extent of the damage to the roof and inside the building has now been confirmed and we are looking at a number of solutions.  At the current time, we estimate the youth hostel will not reopen until June.  We remain optimistic that the repairs can be completed by then and are now taking bookings for 1st July onwards.

Oh that's great, I just made a booking for this and been in contact with the manager who suggests it'd probably be ok to arrive late as long as you didn't wake anybody up, anybody else thinking of booking just say you're doing this event and arriving late so he can look to put us all in the same room and avoid disturbing any civilians.

Could be quite a convenient stop off as it's only a couple of miles off the main road.

That's all nights accounted for now then and no need to 'ride through'.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 21 March, 2014, 03:46:42 pm
Now full - There might be other places and I know there is a YH quite close.



Sleeping at Gairloch.

I have booked a small bunkhouse for the exclusive use of riders on this event. There are a total of 5 beds and the organiser will provide food for supper and breakfast (at a cost). We can come and go as we please and there will be no one else to disturb.

I have paid in advance and there are two places up for grabs. Cost will £15 each and we can organise the food between us that the owner will go out and buy.

Please PM me if you are interested.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 14 April, 2014, 01:53:45 pm
Now full - There might be other places and I know there is a YH quite close.



Sleeping at Gairloch.

I have booked a small bunkhouse for the exclusive use of riders on this event. There are a total of 5 beds and the organiser will provide food for supper and breakfast (at a cost). We can come and go as we please and there will be no one else to disturb.

I have paid in advance and there are two places up for grabs. Cost will £15 each and we can organise the food between us that the owner will go out and buy.

Please PM me if you are interested.

BB


Is this Torridon? I looked to move to there but it has been booked by a group and is not available. Torridon is 30 miles short of Gairloch and Ullapool is ~60 miles further on!!  :o

So atm, I am looking at alternatives and not liking the prices! I really don't want to cart a sleeping bag and bivi round just for one night!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 14 April, 2014, 07:13:53 pm
I really don't want to cart a sleeping bag and bivi round just for one night!

Now there's an excellent suggestion  :thumbsup:

Just the damned midgies to contend with but this approach would make it a grand adventure.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 14 April, 2014, 08:22:03 pm
I am going to book a hotel room for the night.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 15 April, 2014, 09:58:02 am
SYHA latest report on GairlochYH:

Following the storms in December 2013, which damaged the roof of Gairloch Youth Hostel, staff at SYHA Hostelling Scotland have been working hard with our insurers, loss adjusters and local contractors to make sure the building can reopen as soon as possible.

The extent of the damage to the roof and inside the building has now been confirmed and we are looking at a number of solutions.  At the current time, we estimate the youth hostel will not reopen until June.  We remain optimistic that the repairs can be completed by then and are now taking bookings for 1st July onwards.

Oh that's great, I just made a booking for this and been in contact with the manager who suggests it'd probably be ok to arrive late as long as you didn't wake anybody up, anybody else thinking of booking just say you're doing this event and arriving late so he can look to put us all in the same room and avoid disturbing any civilians.

Could be quite a convenient stop off as it's only a couple of miles off the main road.

That's all nights accounted for now then and no need to 'ride through'.  :thumbsup:

I received this earlier this week.

Dear Guest
Important information regarding your booking at Gairloch Youth Hostel
Sadly our hostel at Gairloch suffered severe damage in the winter storms:

http://www.syha.org.uk/news/news-events-offers/news-articles/2013/december/storm-damage-to-gairloch.aspx

I have had the opportunity to fully assess the extent of the damage and determine the timescales for repair and reopening of this much loved hostel.
Work is due to start shortly but unfortunately at the present time I do not expect to be able to reopen until 24th July.
Your reservation has been transferred to either Torridon or Ullapool Youth Hostel, depending on their availability and a confirmation has been sent to you by email. What do you need to do?
Check the confirmation to see which hostel your reservation has been moved to. Email me to confirm you are happy with the new hostel or if you would prefer to cancel your booking and receive a full refund.
If you booked using booking.com website and wish to cancel the booking please log onto booking.com and cancel your reservation for a full refund.
In all cases please email me to confirm your intentions. Once I have received your confirmation price will be adjusted to ensure you do not pay more than the original booking.
 
Please accept my apologies for the inconvenience this email may cause you and I hope you will understand that the circumstances were out of our control.
I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.
Kind Regards
 
Mat Webster
Manager
North West Highlands Hostel Group
Torridon, Ullapool, Gairloch, Durness, Achmelvich & Achininver
––
SYHA Hostelling Scotland
Torridon, By Achnasheen, IV22 2EZ


I have booked a local hotel and will be asking for a refund. They offered me Ullapool hostle but its another 58 miles on and Torridon has a group booking on the 22nd.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 15 April, 2014, 10:48:48 am
I've booked @ Kinlochewe bunkhouse.  It's not really far enough along the route to be ideal but, ferries permitting, it should be reachable at an almost civilized hour, then its an early start for a monster day to Trantlebeg.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: chrisonabike on 15 April, 2014, 11:56:32 am
I really don't want to cart a sleeping bag and bivi round just for one night!

Now there's an excellent suggestion  :thumbsup:

Just the damned midgies to contend with but this approach would make it a grand adventure.

H

This was my thinking too. Lightweight bivvy/sleeping bag - stop when and where you like. Midge net a must though obviously
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 15 April, 2014, 05:13:31 pm
One of the challenges of this ride, especially for us southrons, will be the unaccustomed distances between any sort of commercial premises to buy basic food items.     
About 400 km from Ullapool to Dingwall with only tiny village shops in between.
I've started building a list with opening hours.

Brodick            Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Campbelltown       Co-Op & Tesco       07:00   22:00
Tarbert            Co-Op               07:00   22:00   
Lochgilphead       Co-Op & Tesco       06:00   23:00
Oban               Tesco               06:00   00:00
Craignure          Spar                08:00   18:00
Tobermory          Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Mallaig            Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Armadale           Petrol Sta             ?   
Broadford          Co-op               24 hours   
Kyle of Lochalsh   Co-op               07:00   23:00
Kinlochewe         Village Store          ?   
Gairloch           McColl's            07:30   21:00
Ullapool           Tesco               07:00   22:00
Lochinver          Spar                08:00   18:30
Durness            Mathers             09:30   18:00
BettyHill          General Merchants   08:00   18:00
Lairg              Spar                08:00   22:00
Bonar Bridge       Spar                06:30   20:00
Alness             Lidl                08:00   20:00
Dingwall           Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Muir of Ord        Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Beauly             Co-Op               06:00   22:00
Fort Augustus      Londis / Costcutter     ?   
Spean Bridge       Spar                08:00   20:00
Fort William       Tesco               07:00   21:00 (and Morrisons & Lidl with shorter hours)
Inveraray          Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Dunoon             Morrisons           08:00   21:00
Gourock            Co-Op               07:00   22:00
Ardrossan          Asda                07:00   23:00


If anyone has any additonal local knowledge they care to share ?
Is it worth creating a POI file ?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 April, 2014, 06:12:39 pm
Good work Pete  :thumbsup:

(The obvious strategy - based on this info - is to only ride between 0800 and 1800. Sorted!)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 15 April, 2014, 06:36:34 pm
Kinlochewe has a cafe too and I wonder if it is worth contacting them to find out what time they close.

There is also some kind of cheap sleeping thing in that area that uses old railway carriages - think it is called Sleeper?

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 15 April, 2014, 10:54:58 pm
http://www.kinlochewehotel.co.uk/bunkhouse.html

Also
Quote
Whistle Stop Cafe, Kinlochewe
March 1
We are now open for this year.
During March on Mon,Tues & Wed from 9.00am-6.00pm and Thurs, Fri & Sat from 9.00am-9.00pm. From April 1st we will be open 9.00am-9.00pm Monday through to Saturday.
Looking forward to seeing you all again.

Not sure if it is the one that Flatus and I ate in about 5 years ago, but if it is, filling and tasty and friendly.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 16 April, 2014, 07:18:30 am
We will be going through in the eve of Tuesday so I expect they might be closed. I may send a msg that if they stay open ppl might be through for their dinner.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 16 April, 2014, 09:48:13 am
Portskerra on the North Coast just before the turn to Trantlebeg has a village store here http://goo.gl/maps/3cxUz No idea of opening times

Bettyhill has a tea room at the bottom of the hill (despite boards advertising it for miles ahead, it was closed for the winter when I got there and I wasnt inclined to cycle back up the hill to the shop and the hotel grrr).

The Old School at Beauly has an excellent cafe.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 16 April, 2014, 01:13:20 pm
In Fort William, the Tesco is fairly small and is off the main through road.  The biggest supermarket with longest opening hours in the Fort is Morrisons near the railway station which opens 8am to 9pm.  You'll see both from the A82, it also has a cafe.  The petrol station at the junction of the A82 and the A830 about a mile before the town centre opens late too.

There is also a McDonalds close by Morrisons which is open 7am to 10pm.  There's a mini market in Ballachulish village just off the A82 and a petrol station in Glencoe village but after that there are no shops whatsoever until Dalmally (assuming your going via glen orchy after bridge of orchy rather than via tyndrum). 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 17 April, 2014, 12:44:39 pm
In Ullapool the Tesco is hidden away in the middle of the village. It is signed Latheron Centre, and "Free P".
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 19 April, 2014, 08:36:36 pm
In Ullapool the Tesco is hidden away in the middle of the village. It is signed Latheron Centre, and "Free P".

Yup.  :thumbsup:

There are other shops there too but the Tescos is a bit tucked away.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 25 April, 2014, 07:00:28 pm
Just planning my trip:

Will Arran be 'open' on the Sunday? Thinking of coming across mid-morning and having a quiet pootle round the island. Or similar. Don't want to starve (or worse - find no beer available ).

(July 20th is a bit early for Northern Britain tourist industry, I know ... )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 25 April, 2014, 07:40:17 pm
I haven't even had time to think about this ride yet.

Mildly concerned about booking accomodation
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 26 April, 2014, 11:10:34 pm
Arran tends to be in full swing from the start of the school holidays (the end of June) til late August.  The blonde beer from this lot is lovely http://www.arranbrewery.co.uk/product-category/beer/

Unfortunately the dates of this event also coincide with the West of Scotlands traditional peak midgie period.  Buy a midgie net or risk being gnawed to a skeleton. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jogler on 26 April, 2014, 11:13:32 pm
Buy a midgie net or risk being gnawed to a skeleton.

http://www.midgejacket.co.uk/

I don't think it's available in Audax Ecosse colours
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 26 April, 2014, 11:18:48 pm
I plan to catch the ferry from Ardrossan on the morning. I’ll stay at my mum’s which is about a 7 mile cycle from the ferry terminal.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 27 April, 2014, 01:24:05 am
Don't forget the clegs.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 27 April, 2014, 07:12:45 am
I have no doubt that the wee wing-ed beasties are a challenge and would like to hear the means by which our hardened brothers and sisters awheel cope with them.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 27 April, 2014, 07:34:54 am
Wind. Rain.

It won't be when you are moving, it will be at stops. Midges appear after a short period of time, so not stopping for long! Clegs need you to be alert, ready to slap them dead as soon as they land on you.

Time of day, they tend to be out more in the early evening. However if they've had a rough few days with no feeding (after some wind and rain for example) they'll be hungry and they'll be out more of the day.

There are loads of potions and lotions that are supposed to sort midges out, some half work. We once tried yeast tablets at (6 a day I think it was) and that seemed to work, but the side effects were not worth it. Investing in a midge net or jacket may well be advisable if they are bad and you are rough camping. They are light but take up more room than you expect. Also if the midge season is v bad, there may be a shortage of midge protective gear.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 27 April, 2014, 08:14:06 am
Avon Skin-so-soft

Non toxic and it works. You apply a thin coating and the midges drown in it.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 27 April, 2014, 11:31:49 pm
Tried Skin so Soft but didn't really see a difference. Those midge repellent burning sprials seem to work when your camping.

I used to smear a thin coating on Nitromoors on me. After that I couldn't feel the feckers biting. :0)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 28 April, 2014, 08:23:17 am
I checked the BP website and the station at Fort William is 24 hour.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 29 April, 2014, 07:14:59 pm
I wondered if anyone had tried rubbing themselves with the spermicidal lubricant that can be found on many a modern condom?

Surely this may help and from my experience, need not require an embarrassing visit to the gents as there are a number of second user implements discarded on the roadside.

Hmmmmm?

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 29 April, 2014, 07:18:52 pm
Problem with rubbery smelling spermicidal lubricant is that it is also known to attract passing Hummerses.

I'll take the midges
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 29 April, 2014, 07:20:42 pm
I wondered if anyone had tried rubbing themselves with the spermicidal lubricant that can be found on many a modern condom?

Surely this may help and from my experience, need not require an embarrassing visit to the gents as there are a number of second user implements discarded on the roadside.

Hmmmmm?

H

Have you had any midges near the saddle on your bike since you performed that series of experiments with condoms? 

If not, then I think it is conclusive.  Spermicidal lubricant is, indeed, your friend. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 29 April, 2014, 07:22:29 pm
I think a control experiment is required.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 29 April, 2014, 07:25:57 pm
I think a control experiment is required.

H

Which control are you likely to perform this experiment at?  ;)

In all seriousness - I get ravaged by the little feckers and Skin So Soft does seem to work.  I will order a bottle in advance - but, certainly when I have toured in the Western Isles, it was available widely.   
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 29 April, 2014, 07:35:08 pm

Have you had any midges near the saddle on your bike since you performed that series of experiments with condoms? 

If not, then I think it is conclusive.  Spermicidal lubricant is, indeed, your friend.

Good point.

Will investigate my saddle although it does smell 'feisty'

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 06 May, 2014, 07:11:12 am
Cheap train tickets booked.

Accommodation all sorted.

Need to look at luggage options - I may pop a rack onto the bike and use a pannier.  As well as a sleeping bag for the bunkhouses, i will want to have a bit more room than normal so i can carry some food for the long stretches without many options.

I may change one of the bottle cages for one from the touring tandem that can carry a big bottle of water.

It is going to be a grand week, scenery by the bucketload. I must make the effort to stop and take photos.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 07 May, 2014, 09:41:01 am
Quote
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"An epic adventure" etc.

If any of your mates missed out on the closing date (or, like me, knew that they weren't hard enough!) but would still like a ride through the best of the west, you could point them to the Quinaig Quest from Portmahomack on 31st May. Inverpolly, the Drumbeg road and the road north through Scourie etc. are (w.p.) lovely and we'll be out of area at the height of the feeding frenzies.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 07 May, 2014, 03:31:03 pm
Hey Grampa, are you Steve, we all know in Audax Ecosse?

Has anyone posted any links to gpxs based on a suggestion of the days rides? I'm sure I saw one somewhere, but can't be bothered trawling through the entire site to find them?

Brodick - Oban - Gariloch Cairn Dearg - Trantlebeg Hostel - Spean Bridge - Finish.

Save me making one up for each days riding.

Cheers, Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 07 May, 2014, 03:55:47 pm
I don't think you need to trawl through the entire site, I would suggest you could start with this thread, though the GPS files I have put up are not based on suggested days (and indeed, your planned days are different to mine). 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 07 May, 2014, 04:08:01 pm
Cheers, I may end up making my own as I have just popped the controls in Google maps again and looking at the suggested walking route. I can make a few alterations for more minor roads. Also I see from Tobermory to Kilchoan, I could get another ferry 1/4 the way up Loch Sunart to Laga. Shame there is not a sumer ferry to Mallaig ;O)

Hmmm the organisor could have been evil and put in a control at Applecross over the Bealach Na Baaaaahhhhhh!!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 07 May, 2014, 04:22:41 pm
I don't think you need to trawl through the entire site, I would suggest you could start with this thread, though the GPS files I have put up are not based on suggested days (and indeed, your planned days are different to mine).
I searched through many MJB posts - all entertaining, of course - and couldn't find these!

Did find this from Ppete:
Quote
However I have converted the .kml on the calendar page to .gpx and split it down into sections between controls & the ferry crossings.
Northbound is http://sdrv.ms/18ghwFI
Southbound is http://sdrv.ms/18ghIVe
no guarantees expressed or implied that these are correct !
now when I load northbound into bikehike.co.uk (normally pretty reliable) I get a very mangled route [think Eric Morecambe's "right notes" quote ...]

Anyone used these OK? Or got a better source?

OR
Is there an easy way to read/convert the official KML file? Perhaps organisers should be required to provide checked GPX files?!?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 07 May, 2014, 04:32:17 pm
I don't think you need to trawl through the entire site, I would suggest you could start with this thread, though the GPS files I have put up are not based on suggested days (and indeed, your planned days are different to mine).
I searched through many MJB posts - all entertaining, of course - and couldn't find these!

Did find this from Ppete:
Quote
However I have converted the .kml on the calendar page to .gpx and split it down into sections between controls & the ferry crossings.
Northbound is http://sdrv.ms/18ghwFI
Southbound is http://sdrv.ms/18ghIVe
no guarantees expressed or implied that these are correct !
now when I load northbound into bikehike.co.uk (normally pretty reliable) I get a very mangled route [think Eric Morecambe's "right notes" quote ...]

Anyone used these OK? Or got a better source?

OR
Is there an easy way to read/convert the official KML file? Perhaps organisers should be required to provide checked GPX files?!?

Matt, page 10 of this thread.

Or clicky (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=74722.msg1644607#msg1644607)

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 07 May, 2014, 04:38:15 pm
www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/bentaylor/hgwi1300

this track is a direct translation of the kml file (but the waypoints are my stop offs and may not necessarily match yours)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 07 May, 2014, 05:15:24 pm
Thanks chaps  :thumbsup:

(both views have different merits )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 07 May, 2014, 05:15:28 pm
Ben, does this fit into one handy gpx file for gps'? I think my Etrex might be limited to 250?? points? I'll go away and check.

But thanks for the new link to a site I've not been to before.

I have the answer:

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=71317.0

10,000 is the max number of points for one single track, but I still need to educate myself about the difference between a gpx and a track file.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 07 May, 2014, 05:27:00 pm
No-one will listen to me*, but I'd suggest reading the following as more useful than asking further questions here about GPS:

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=82111.0 "GPS Virgin"

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=81637.0 "GPX files for events"

OR:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=63.0 "An Entire 'King Sub-Forum about using GPS units to navigate"

Or even:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=audax+gps+site%3Ayacf.co.uk


*I suppose I did start this recent diversion, in a sense ...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 07 May, 2014, 06:06:50 pm
Ben, does this fit into one handy gpx file for gps'?
Yes, right click - Save All to download the GPX file.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 07 May, 2014, 06:12:43 pm
Cheers Ben. Looking at your route,  looks like its tweeked from std google maps set to walking. For example you go inland from Trantlebeg to Larig instead of taking the main (coast) road. This looks good for me as I prefer more quiet routes over busier more direct routes. Many thanks for sharing I'll pop this into my gps and check the whole route is displayed.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 07 May, 2014, 10:33:23 pm
^that is the route as per the route sheet.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 08 May, 2014, 08:41:35 am
Ah, I never got that far. I usually set Google to walking and give a cursery glance for any silly detours or busy roads which can be bypassed.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 08 May, 2014, 03:31:20 pm
Whilst working out times, distances, beer stops and general stuff of that sort, I noticed that there was mention of Trantlebeg as a stop-over control on the Wednesday night.

On checking this with Mr Blacksheep, I have found this to be true  :thumbsup:

From Msr Blacksheep:

Trantlebeg has been sole-hired for the entire duration that the control is open, this accounts for the lions-share of the entry fees..

Marvelous stuff.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 08 May, 2014, 05:10:38 pm
Cheers Ben. Looking at your route,  looks like its tweeked from std google maps set to walking. For example you go inland from Trantlebeg to Larig instead of taking the main (coast) road. This looks good for me as I prefer more quiet routes over busier more direct routes. Many thanks for sharing I'll pop this into my gps and check the whole route is displayed.
^that is the route as per the route sheet.
Ah, I never got that far. I usually set Google to walking and give a cursery glance for any silly detours or busy roads which can be bypassed.

The coast road is decidedly not "busy" - at least to an inhabitant of southern parts.
Brora is probably the nearest shop that doesn't involve extra kms.
It has a rather fine sandy beach too.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 08 May, 2014, 05:16:21 pm
Whilst working out times, distances, beer stops and general stuff of that sort, I noticed that there was mention of Trantlebeg as a stop-over control on the Wednesday night.

On checking this with Mr Blacksheep, I have found this to be true  :thumbsup:

From Msr Blacksheep:

Trantlebeg has been sole-hired for the entire duration that the control is open, this accounts for the lions-share of the entry fees..

Marvelous stuff.

H

Have I misremembered: So up thread people have posted about trantlebeg being booked by some event and have looked for and booked alternatives because of this?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 08 May, 2014, 05:22:15 pm
In the Email that BlackSheep sent to us all back in about 1987 when we entered the event, it did say he was sole-hiring it (as there's nothing else close by).

I only struggled with Gairloch(ish) when booking accommodation, so I am stopping a little short of it - makes for a long day to Trantlebeg, but that is all fine.

My only concern about Trantlebeg is, according to their website, it is quite small!

I am sure Mark has a plan of some form, so I shall not overly worry about it. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 08 May, 2014, 06:24:21 pm

I am sure Mark has a plan of some form, so I shall not overly worry about it.


Absolutely.

The message from Mark came today in response to my query.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 08 May, 2014, 06:29:32 pm
I knew Trantlebeg was booked for us so only booked Oban, Gairloch Cairn Dearg (hostel now closed for essential maintenance) & Ballachulish syha.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 10 May, 2014, 07:40:23 am
Hi,

I have booked a small bunkhouse at Gairloch and the owner also has a 4 berth caravan. You can book the whole caravan for £65 and the owner will rent sleeping bags and towels. The kitchen facilities in the bunk house can be shared and I am providing a food list for the bunk house and the owner is filling the fridge up on the day.

So if someone wants to organise a group of four to rent the caravan PM me and I will forward the owners email address and you can take it from there.

The facility is less than a km off route.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 10 May, 2014, 08:13:17 am
Hi,

I have booked a small bunkhouse at Gairloch and the owner also has a 4 berth caravan. You can book the whole caravan for £65 and the owner will rent sleeping bags and towels. The kitchen facilities in the bunk house can be shared and I am providing a food list for the bunk house and the owner is filling the fridge up on the day.

So if someone wants to organise a group of four to rent the caravan PM me and I will forward the owners email address and you can take it from there.

The facility is less than a km off route.

BB

Sounds good to me.

I have booked a place in the caravan of HERE (http://www.gairlochcampsite.co.uk/bunkhouse.html).

If I get 3 more chaps interested, we can have the caravan for £50 between four of us.

I suggest anyone who is keen to join in the Caravan of Lurve PM me.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: chrisonabike on 10 May, 2014, 10:48:45 am
Is a tent/bivvy a serious option? The cons are extra weight and comfort but the big pro for me is being able to stop where I like. My concern about booking accommodation is whether or not I can get there on time.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 10 May, 2014, 03:29:57 pm
Mmm...anybody considering the "old military road fort william-kinlochleven", and then down to Gelncoe to rejoin route?

Only an extra 5 miles, for some bonus scenery :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 10 May, 2014, 04:13:44 pm
Bonza, mostly booked....plan is

Travelling up on the 19th.

19th. Twin room in Irvine. ONE BED SPARE @ £20, Dib if you want it
20th. Shore SYHA, Bodrick
21st  Oban SYHA, 210Km
22nd Gairloch, 280Km
23rd Trantlebeg IH, 320Km
24th Fort William(*) 280km
25th Ardrossan, 170km. Twin room in Ardrossan.  ONE BED SPARE @ £27.50, Dib if you want it

(*) Hummers, I draw your attention to this fine looking establishment (**), http://www.ben-nevis-inn.co.uk/ - get a wiggle on for the first round...
(**) They still have lots of (bunkhouse) room, or there's http://www.highland-mountain-guides.co.uk/
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 10 May, 2014, 05:05:46 pm

(*) Hummers, I draw your attention to this fine looking establishment (**), http://www.ben-nevis-inn.co.uk/ - get a wiggle on for the first round...


Noted  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2014, 09:01:58 pm
Is a tent/bivvy a serious option? The cons are extra weight and comfort but the big pro for me is being able to stop where I like. My concern about booking accommodation is whether or not I can get there on time.

Serious option? I don’t know. But I’ve been looking at the accommodation options and have decided to carry my own. I’ve ordered an ultra lightweight tent (about 550g) and a 285g sleeping bag to go with it. That means for less than the weight of a decent lock, I’ll have somewhere to sleep whenever.

I’ve realised I need to try this out before riding round the north of Scotland with it, so I reckon I will carry it on the Bryan Chapman and pitch the tent at the youth hostel. As I’m ECEing to 750km I might also be able to sleep in it on the way back from the event if I get sleepy and need to stop - I have until 8am on the Monday morning to finish.

If that goes really badly then I may have to reconsider.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: SR Steve on 10 May, 2014, 11:48:59 pm
It seems that Oban will be a sensible place to sleep on the first night and that's where I have booked accomodation, but on arrival on Mull, if I've worked it out right, everyone sleeping in Oban will be at least about 3 hours 40 down on the 12km/h minimum speed schedule.

For this reason, I can't see much opportunity for a long sleep on the second night. Although Gairloch is reachable between say 9pm and midnight, we would have to leave by 03:55 to stay above the 12km/h minimum speed limit. You could ignore this and sleep later, but you would have to catch the time back up by the next control.

If you could push on a bit further than Gairloch before sleeping, you could sleep until later, but you would obviously also arrive at that point later too. As progress will depend on weather conditions including wind direction, it's a bit of a gamble to work out where you will be when you need sleep or even if you will have time to sleep. That's why I'm not booking anything and am carrying my bivvy bag for the 2nd and 4th nights.

On the 4th night I'll probably have minimal sleep and push on to the finish. I've booked accommodation for a week there and my family are flying up to join me. We're having a further week touring Scotland before heading home.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 11 May, 2014, 08:10:16 am
It seems that Oban will be a sensible place to sleep on the first night and that's where I have booked accomodation, but on arrival on Mull, if I've worked it out right, everyone sleeping in Oban will be at least about 3 hours 40 down on the 12km/h minimum speed schedule.

For this reason, I can't see much opportunity for a long sleep on the second night. Although Gairloch is reachable between say 9pm and midnight, we would have to leave by 03:55 to stay above the 12km/h minimum speed limit. You could ignore this and sleep later, but you would have to catch the time back up by the next control.

If you could push on a bit further than Gairloch before sleeping, you could sleep until later, but you would obviously also arrive at that point later too. As progress will depend on weather conditions including wind direction, it's a bit of a gamble to work out where you will be when you need sleep or even if you will have time to sleep. That's why I'm not booking anything and am carrying my bivvy bag for the 2nd and 4th nights.

On the 4th night I'll probably have minimal sleep and push on to the finish. I've booked accommodation for a week there and my family are flying up to join me. We're having a further week touring Scotland before heading home.
I thought it was the time you arrived and not when you departed from controls that was important?

Oban is OK
Tobermory - 245km = 20h 24 mins (* problem *) Ferry arrives on Mull @ 8:31am and Tobermory control should have been @ 7:45am which is a further 34km.

But I am not going to let this sort of thing spoil what will be a great trip.

BB



Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2014, 08:33:05 am
As progress will depend on weather conditions including wind direction, it's a bit of a gamble to work out where you will be when you need sleep or even if you will have time to sleep. That's why I'm not booking anything and am carrying my bivvy bag for the 2nd and 4th nights.
This problem is not unique - it's the same issue on every 1000+. I've ridden (a)PBP, LEL, MC1K and the Herentals1200 with a known schedule (2 of those the orgs booked the sleep stops); they all worked out fine. Having said that I know plenty of folks really hate schedules - it's a broad church [AUK cliche No.129].

Wind direction only makes a couple of hours difference at its most extreme. We are statistically likely to get a tail-wind for 2.5 days (after the first southerly leg), so it should all work out fine  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 11 May, 2014, 08:48:49 am
I think Matt is right, most schedules I have ever ridden to have been pretty much on the money within an hour or two at most. Obviously major weather events or mechanical disasters might create more float than that, but I can be reasonably confident in my schedule. Even a rough patch tends not to add that much time on and is usually countered by the times when you are flying along. 

It does have me out of time at a couple of points, but I am going to work on the assumption, right or wrong, that it doesn't matter. I will reach ardrossan in time and if I don't have the ride validated, then so be it. It is only a bike ride.

I applaud those who are using a bivi or tent and considered it myself. But I am happy with my choice not to. My accommodation is happy to leave keys in door etc. even if I am crawling in late into the night. It is more than the bed, a shower is a magic reset button that the wild camping wouldn't offer (bathe in a loch I suppose).

I am hoping it will be dry, but clearly if the weather isn't playing ball, a bivi option is going to make things quite challenging!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 11 May, 2014, 10:55:17 am
I'm the same I think.... I think the fact that it's inevitable that you'll be *technically* 'out of time' at the first control, far from suggesting you need to rush to make up the time at the rest, suggests to me precisely the opposite, that there's no point rushing to make up time at the rest - as long as you reach the finish in time. I'm thinking of it in terms of days rather than hours. Oban by the night of the first day, Gairloch by the night of the 2nd (via b&b happy with late arrival), Trantlebeg 3rd, FW TL 4th, finish 5th.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 11 May, 2014, 06:14:41 pm
The reason I am not bivying is as well as carrying tent & sleeping bag I'll have to carry food and cooker, water etc..
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 11 May, 2014, 06:38:58 pm
I am making my target for Oban 'last orders'.

That seems to have motivated me in the past  :demon:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2014, 06:47:46 pm
The reason I am not bivying is as well as carrying tent & sleeping bag I'll have to carry food and cooker, water etc..

I don't think carrying water is essential.

I am considering http://www.lifesaversystems.com/lifesaver-products/lifesaver-bottle
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 11 May, 2014, 07:01:47 pm
The reason I am not bivying is as well as carrying tent & sleeping bag I'll have to carry food and cooker, water etc..

I don't think carrying water is essential.

I am considering http://www.lifesaversystems.com/lifesaver-products/lifesaver-bottle

Do you know how much it weighs? Could't see anything in the blurb.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2014, 07:04:25 pm
635g dry if you look in the technical data. I think that's less than the water weight it could save.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 11 May, 2014, 10:40:06 pm
635g dry if you look in the technical data. I think that's less than the water weight it could save.

You can save 600g and £98 with purification tablets
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Panoramix on 12 May, 2014, 05:30:06 am
635g dry if you look in the technical data. I think that's less than the water weight it could save.

Are there really many 100km stretch of road without a pub to fill your bottles? If you camp yoou will need to stop for breakfast somewhere anyway unless you go in heavy touring mode.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 12 May, 2014, 06:49:56 am
635g dry if you look in the technical data. I think that's less than the water weight it could save.

You can save 600g and £98 with purification tablets

Totally. I am not expecting to have to use them. It is remote, but not that remote.

When touring etc. I do carry a small stash of purification tablets and will do so on this trip.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 12 May, 2014, 09:28:42 am
Are there really many 100km stretch of road without a pub...........

I hope not  :'(

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Chris N on 12 May, 2014, 09:31:09 am
I can't wait to find out how all the riders planning on bivvying get on.  Sleeping outside in Scotland in the summer?  Do make sure you pack the DEET.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 12 May, 2014, 10:43:19 am
I think the first thing I'm going to do at the start is find Hummers and introduce myself to him. Then I'll follow he lead and stop of at all the pubs en route!

 ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 12 May, 2014, 10:51:42 am
Are there really many 100km stretch of road without a pub...........

I hope not  :'(

H

I hope not as well - and I say that as a non-drinker.

I have a couple that I have identified as important opportunities to eat food in the evenings (even though I am not planning to ride massively deep into the night on any leg).  As many/most shops will close by 6pm, they may be our only hope for food before the following morning (beyond carrying your own food or hunting equipment - have we had a 'what fishing rod are people carrying thread yet'?). 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: chrisonabike on 12 May, 2014, 12:23:03 pm
I can't wait to find out how all the riders planning on bivvying get on.  Sleeping outside in Scotland in the summer?  Do make sure you pack the DEET.   :thumbsup:

This is one of my concerns about bivvying although I am looking at bivvys with meshes and hoops etc so there should be some kind of protection.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 12 May, 2014, 05:06:49 pm
I can't wait to find out how all the riders planning on bivvying get on.  Sleeping outside in Scotland in the summer?  Do make sure you pack the DEET.   :thumbsup:

This is one of my concerns about bivvying although I am looking at bivvys with meshes and hoops etc so there should be some kind of protection.
I have slept outside many times. The most important thing is to get below a bush or tree so as the dampness falls from the air it lands on the tree and not on you. There again the wild west does not have many trees.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 13 May, 2014, 11:13:57 am
Tent and sleeping bag have arrived.

Bloody hell they're light.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: rabbit on 13 May, 2014, 11:25:32 am
Tent and sleeping bag have arrived.

Bloody hell they're light.

What ones have you purchased? 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 13 May, 2014, 11:28:19 am
Tera nova laser ultra 1 tent - about 550g. Sea to summit spark spi sleeping bag - 284g.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: andyoxon on 13 May, 2014, 12:38:17 pm
Tera nova laser ultra 1 tent - about 550g. Sea to summit spark spi sleeping bag - 284g.

So only probably "the lightest one person, double walled tent in the world"  :)   Just watching the thread with interest, because this ride/similar is something I'd like to have a go at sometime.  The last time I cycled in Scotland (North of Edinb.) was on LEJOG many moons ago, I remember the midges only on the final leg, when they even seemed to be following us as we rode along; perhaps it was just one big cloud of them...   
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 13 May, 2014, 05:29:28 pm
Does anyone know the location of the Trantlebeg hostel? I've done a quick google (incl maps search) but not found it.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 13 May, 2014, 05:39:07 pm
Does anyone know the location of the Trantlebeg hostel? I've done a quick google (incl maps search) but not found it.

I think this is the one:

www.independenthostelguide.co.uk/selected-accommodation.php?hostel=800&s=202

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 13 May, 2014, 05:42:32 pm
Cool, though I expect an AUK sign will be placed along the side of the road so we don't sale past.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Smee on 13 May, 2014, 06:46:17 pm
What's with the talk of ruining water by using water purification tablets?  I can't think of anything worse.  I've been drinking out of streams for years and never had a problem.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: rabbit on 14 May, 2014, 12:39:48 pm
Tera nova laser ultra 1 tent - about 550g. Sea to summit spark spi sleeping bag - 284g.

Cripes  :o

I'd still have carry room for four pasties, two bagels and a banana and be able to squeeze those in!

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens &amp; Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 14 May, 2014, 05:31:31 pm
Tera nova laser ultra 1 tent - about 550g. Sea to summit spark spi sleeping bag - 284g.

Simon, you are inspector gadget and I claim my £5.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2014, 06:15:03 pm
A few of you have asked about the most useful apps for this jaunt, so here goes

 I would consider downloading "Traveline Scotland" - a comprehensive public transport app for all types of vehicles.
 
A weather app, which you download is personal choice, I use both - "Met Office", "El Tiempo.es". Most non met-office apps tend to use the same info supplier, and then display the info in a way they prefer.
 
If you're using a GPS unit, it's probably best to go to the manufacturer's own website. I have a Garmin E-Trex hcx, and use "Uploader" & "Garmin Exchanger" to good effect.
 
Your service provider will no-doubt have apps showing where you can get free wifi use in certain commercial properties. For example, I'm with O2, "O2 wifi" shows you where their hot-spots are. This will get you automatic free wifi in places such as Costa Coffee, Waitrose, Toby Carvery. You'll be able to pick-up a signal without actually going into the establishment, and many leave the wifi on 24/7.
 
Consider downloading a banking app, these are available from your bank's website.
 
If you have a Pay-Pal account linked to your bank account, the App will let you purchase in various commercial outlets.
 
"Earth" is the Android version of Google Earth, If you convert your GPS files to kml format, you can open them using "Earth" and view the route, could be useful if you think you're lost.
 
"UK Atlas Lite", this gives the entire UK in OS mapping format. (There's a pro version available at £1.99)
 
"FastConnect" is the latest version of The Cloud, handy if you wish to upload/download info, particularly if your memory is getting low on your device.
 
There are many different brewing/alcohol suppliers that supply apps "Pubfinder" from JDWetherspoon will show the location of their establishments, once there you have (virtually unlimited access) to The Cloud. Other chains have apps.
 
Please note these are all FREE android apps, and can be found either already on your android machine, or Google Play unless otherwise stated - I haven't ventured into the world of iphone iphone 3G, iphone 3GS, iphone 4, iphone 4S, iphone 5, iphone 5C, iphone 5S mayhem, but I'm sure there will be the equivalent in the apple orchard.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 19 May, 2014, 06:25:36 pm
A few of you have asked about the most useful apps for this jaunt, so here goes

You need to be aware that 3G signals are few and far between in NW Scotland and most of the time you struggle getting any mobile signal at all. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2014, 09:48:18 pm
A few of you have asked about the most useful apps for this jaunt, so here goes

You need to be aware that 3G signals are few and far between in NW Scotland and most of the time you struggle getting any mobile signal at all.

Tis true, however - the more important apps can be used off-line. And te nice to haves would be more useful in the more urban areas.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2014, 09:57:08 pm
Tent and sleeping bag have arrived.

Bloody hell they're light.

Yeah but, you better start improving your erection techniques, and get the thing up a bit quicker than you did at the week end, or the mossies will have a field day.


Somehow I expect Hummers to make an interjection now .........
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 19 May, 2014, 10:32:25 pm
Er ... at the risk of (further) public embrassmont ... is the routesheet link (on AUKWeb) still working?
I downloaded the xls file months ago, but it ain't working for me now  ???

(we've got a new PC)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 19 May, 2014, 10:38:42 pm
Er ... at the risk of (further) public embrassmont ... is the routesheet link (on AUKWeb) still working?
I downloaded the xlsx file months ago, but it ain't working for me now  ???

(we've got a new PC)

It seems to still download the two zip files Matt.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 19 May, 2014, 10:49:55 pm
You seem to have the magic touch H. Works now (that's at the 3rd attempt, same PC!)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2014, 12:03:25 am
Tent and sleeping bag have arrived.

Bloody hell they're light.

Yeah but, you better start improving your erection techniques, and get the thing up a bit quicker than you did at the week end, or the mossies will have a field day.


Somehow I expect Hummers to make an interjection now .........

The erection speed was hampered by:

 - some final assembly required which is a one time job
 - losing a peg which let go its guy rope when I tightened the opposite one. They are impossible to find in long grass.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 20 May, 2014, 04:49:03 am
Tent and sleeping bag have arrived.

Bloody hell they're light.

Yeah but, you better start improving your erection techniques, and get the thing up a bit quicker than you did at the week end, or the mossies will have a field day.


Somehow I expect Hummers to make an interjection now .........

The erection speed was hampered by:

 - some final assembly required which is a one time job
 - losing a peg which let go its guy rope when I tightened the opposite one. They are impossible to find in long grass.

I found it quite difficult to squeeze into in the dark.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 20 May, 2014, 08:29:45 pm
@BlackSheep: thank you very much for the information about the apps.

Us Dutchies will try to get them before coming to the UK.

I wonder what else is important to know.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2014, 09:44:29 pm
I wonder what else is important to know.

The local language?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8306582.stm

Of course the route doesn’t go very near Glasgow but words like laldy will be heard all over Scotland.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 21 May, 2014, 07:31:32 pm
BBC Alba have just got wind of the fact that England will be sending one of it's rarest beasts north of the border during late July.

Initially they thought it was something exotic, then opinion changed to a huge 4X4 once used by Jeremy Clarkson to gridlock Stow-on-the-Wold, and the US army to use as RVs.

Anyways up the will be filming the event hopeful of spotting a hummer.  So please all be on you best behaviour.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 22 May, 2014, 11:19:03 am
BBC Alba

As an admiring spectator, I look forward to seeing this.  Can you ask them to do sub-titles?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2014, 11:20:57 am
BBC Alba

As an admiring spectator, I look forward to seeing this.  Can you ask them to do sub-titles?

??? I can generally understand most of what Hummers says.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Panoramix on 23 May, 2014, 11:23:24 am
BBC Alba

As an admiring spectator, I look forward to seeing this.  Can you ask them to do sub-titles?

??? I can generally understand most of what Hummers says.

But all these years spent in the South have trained your ears to understand the locals.  :P
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 May, 2014, 04:07:46 am
I've recently received comms regarding the ride and the filming of.

The company filmed "The snow roads" a year or two ago, that time the focus was on one rider and his personal experiences which he shared with the camera. This time the crew wish to adopt more of a fly on the wall approach.



******************* *******

We plan to film the Highlands and Islands Audax for BBC-2 Scotland. During the ride our experienced two-person camera teams will be unobtrusive and will aim to capture the full spirit of this amazing multi-day event in an hour-long documentary programme.

At this stage, we'd like to know a little about every rider taking part, so we would very much appreciate you answering three questions please.

1. Where are you from? We're keen to know the background of every rider and of course if you are Scottish or Scotland based then this is very much home territory.

2. How much of a challenge is this for you? Perhaps this ride is utterly daunting and you fear you might not finish? Or perhaps you've tackled many rides of this length and are aiming for a good time. Please take a few sentences to tell us a little about your motivation for taking part.

3. A phone number and email address so we can contact you please. The information will not be shared with anyone outside the production team.

The replies are being coordinated over the next week by Simon Willis, so please email your answers to Simon at audax@sunartmedia.com

Many thanks in advance, and we'll see you all on the road.

Margaret Wicks Triple Echo Productions

*************************

I wll be contacting all riders in the next few days, but if you wish start the wheels rolling sooner, please contact Simon at the e-mail above. As stated above, personal data will not be divulged,
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eck on 28 May, 2014, 08:09:11 am
@ Blacksheep: that's brilliant that Triple Echo are getting involved: our experience of them with our Snow Roads a couple of years ago was that they were really professional and , despite my concerns, in no sense did they try to take over or influence the event in any way. Lovely people.
(But be sure that they include enough shots of muirburn.  ;D )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 28 May, 2014, 08:11:55 am
You seem to have the magic touch H. Works now (that's at the 3rd attempt, same PC!)

Was it switched on the 3rd time?

 :-*

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Revolution9 on 28 May, 2014, 09:18:24 am
No drafting the camera car now ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 May, 2014, 09:35:41 am
No drafting the camera car now ;)

I was hoping to bribe them into carrying my bags.

Great news and all good for spreading the word I hope.

Now, who do I talk to about my appearance fee? (Which I might waive if the crew do carry my bags).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 28 May, 2014, 04:11:40 pm
Oh no , now I have to buy a whole new outfit!... and get my hair done,.... and shave every (few) day(s) ;O)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: JordanCarroll on 03 June, 2014, 12:49:31 am
Out of this :( My graduation is on the 23rd July and something tells me I won't be finished by then!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 03 June, 2014, 08:34:59 pm
Out of this :( My graduation is on the 23rd July and something tells me I won't be finished by then!
Oh I can feel the reserve list been prepared.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 03 June, 2014, 09:23:35 pm
I wonder whether this super endurance event would be a good test-bed for one of Scotland's national drinks, which could almost be audax-specific. A drink which would anaesthetise your contact points, render you oblivious to the high risk of being crunched by motor vehicles trying to make progress through July tourist traffic along roads designed for pack animals (thanks, Ronnie, for insight) and provide as much stimulus as your circulatory system could desire, is brewed by monks at Buckfast Abbey and thoughtfully sent across the border (possibly with audax riders in mind?). 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 04 June, 2014, 08:07:36 am
Let me guess?
Irn-Bru ?

Didn't know that was brewed at Buckfast, but seems to qualify on other counts....
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 04 June, 2014, 09:52:23 am
Let me guess?
Irn-Bru ?

Didn't know that was brewed at Buckfast, but seems to qualify on other counts....
Buckie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine)

Revolting stuff!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 04 June, 2014, 09:56:20 am
I think I would certainly want to run that stuff through simonp's water filtration device before drinking it! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 04 June, 2014, 11:16:01 am
I think I would certainly want to run that stuff through simonp's water filtration device before drinking it!

 ;D

Now that I'm on gears, I might be able to justify the weight!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 04 June, 2014, 12:49:08 pm
Excellent news about the filming. During what turned into the kerfuffle about the Snow Roads film I sent a link about the Mull it Over 300 and Portmahomack 400 films, pointing out the scenery to be filmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlUNP8MjNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7oDiNUveE
It's good that someone's going to be putting in the resources to do the scenery justice.

I'm filming a different ride this year, but if I was looking at this one I'd be keen to have good locations to film on the back end of the ride. Crask Inn would make a nice crux, but the field will be stretched out for the return. It pays to have a clear idea of how to cope with capturing the exhaustion of the riders when the camera crews are exhausted themselves.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 June, 2014, 12:47:41 pm
Alan Jones and Anthony Pollard completed the perm last week, both had an adventure not to be missed.

I will post Alan's note here when I can find it again.  :hand:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 June, 2014, 10:21:25 pm
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Hello Mark

Fellow RDFCC club member Antony Pollard and I completed your epic yesterday afternoon. It took us 13 days to complete, we had intended on 14 days as per your stages but because of poor weather forecasts decided to increase the daily distance from stage 11.

We camped 10 nights, one bunkhouse (Trantlebeg) and one hotel (Bridge of Orchy).

The only deviation to the route was from Lochinvar where we decided to follow the coast road as opposed to retracing the 11 miles and then heading to Durness.  Not sure if it was a good decision or not, interesting route between the rocks but some very hilly sections, probably steeper than 1 in 4 on a couple of sections and we only just about managed the stay on the bikes as opposed to pushing.  The bikes did weigh approximately one ton each with all the camping palava on board though.  Most of the hills were long but not particularly steep.

First sighting of a Pine Marten for the pair of us, ran across the road a matter of feet in front of us.  Plenty of deer about.  Other firsts were whisky testing and haggis eating.  Found a pub most evenings so kept well hydrated on the local beers.

The route is stunning for Scotland newbies such as us, everyday was different.

The section from Trantlebeg to Lairg is particularly remote.

Midges were a menace at Lochgilphead, Tobermory and Broadford but will only effect campers.  Broadford was particularly well blessed with the little horrors, they magically appeared as we were pitching tents at the same time the heavens opened, my tent was flooded out which they particularly enjoyed and were still waiting for me in the morning.

Weather was mixed, could have been worse though and was quite cold some nights.  The worst rain was as we arrived at the top of Glencoe, it was a very wet descent down Rannoch Moor, we were saturated.  Having covered 90 miles on our heavy beasts we decided to stay at the hotel, neither of us really fancied pitching wet tents again in the pouring rain especially as the midges were waiting for us.  The hotel was full of walkers, climbers and campers trying to escape the weather (and midges).

The busiest section of road was the final 40km, Gourock - Ardrossan.  Having been virtually traffic free for approximately 1300km it was a bit of a shock to be mixing it with traffic once again.

The route is great, we thoroughly enjoyed the challenge although it will be significantly harder for the audaxers.  For us it was a challenging holiday and that's exactly what we had.

Thanks for all your efforts in planning this super route, if I can be of assistance to anybody entered to ride I will be pleased to try and answer any questions.

I will post off receipts when I find them and when they have dried!

See you soon.

Regards.

Alan
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 14 June, 2014, 10:58:15 pm
Quote
The only deviation to the route was from Lochinvar where we decided to follow the coast road as opposed to retracing the 11 miles and then heading to Durness.  Not sure if it was a good decision or not, interesting route between the rocks but some very hilly sections, probably steeper than 1 in 4 on a couple of sections and we only just about managed the stay on the bikes as opposed to pushing.  The bikes did weigh approximately one ton each with all the camping palava on board though.  Most of the hills were long but not particularly steep.

I know this road.

On the first bit, before the scenery starts:

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d96/HummersOriginal/Pic27_zps541078bf.jpg) (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/HummersOriginal/media/Pic27_zps541078bf.jpg.html)

After Drumbeg. I admit to having lost the ability to sing at this point;


(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d96/HummersOriginal/Pic29_zpsaf7c59c7.jpg) (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/HummersOriginal/media/Pic29_zpsaf7c59c7.jpg.html)

It was the highlight lumpy bit on the last day of my End to End last year (every day had a featured lumpy bit). To be honest, I came back on the main road, feeling wrung out - like I had been spat out. A beautiful bit though and I would recommend it to anyone who has the time and inclination.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 14 June, 2014, 11:00:48 pm
Aye, I took the Drumbeg road on a tour.

Took me three days ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 16 June, 2014, 09:24:23 pm
Now full - There might be other places and I know there is a YH quite close.

Sleeping at Gairloch.
I have booked a small bunkhouse for the exclusive use of riders on this event. There are a total of 5 beds and the organiser will provide food for supper and breakfast (at a cost). We can come and go as we please and there will be no one else to disturb.
:
BB


For RL reasons, I've taken over the handling of this booking, and there is now a place available for the Tues night (22nd Jul) - cost remains at £15 + 1/5th food split.

1st come 1st dibs.


Edit: Now dibbed.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 17 June, 2014, 01:07:24 pm
Copied from the roll call thread

I'm out -

Offers for the following -

Train - Reading to Darlington 19/7 07:46
Train - Glasgow Central - London Euston 25/7 23:40 Trains from the finish are easy to Glasgow
B&B - Arran Brodick Sunday 20/7

Offers please as messages. The trains are with cycle reservation.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 17 June, 2014, 01:34:59 pm
Now full - There might be other places and I know there is a YH quite close.

Sleeping at Gairloch.
I have booked a small bunkhouse for the exclusive use of riders on this event. There are a total of 5 beds and the organiser will provide food for supper and breakfast (at a cost). We can come and go as we please and there will be no one else to disturb.
:
BB



For RL reasons, I've taken over the handling of this booking, and there is now a place available for the Tues night (22nd Jul) - cost remains at £15 + 1/5th food split.

1st come 1st dibs.


Edit: Now dibbed.

I'm staying a little further on at Poolewe Hotel incase anyone is looking for somewhere. I understand the SYHA is still being repaired and I don't know if they know if they'll finish earlier than planned - 24th July.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 June, 2014, 01:49:54 pm
Sorry to hear of the DNS BB.

Once the 24 is done this weekend, I can turn my attention more to this ride, with particular regard to setup and luggage.  Aero bars will be off, stem flipped back up, guards back on, lights/dynohub back on etc.

I am planning to use a Revelate Vischaca and Sweetroll as my main bags.  I've got a test run planned for early July, so should iron out any issues with the setup then. 

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 June, 2014, 01:51:59 pm
Aye, I took the Drumbeg road on a tour.

Took me three days ;D

Probably a better approach than tearing round it on an Audax. It's possible to miss the best views completely if you don't look over your shoulder.
http://vimeo.com/1187139
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Simon Willis on 22 June, 2014, 01:43:23 pm
Hi folks

I'm the bloke coordinating replies from you riders for the TV folk who will be filming this Audax.  We have had enough replies to make this programme work, but I'd still like to hear from more of you please - who you are, where you're from, phone number and why you're doing it - how much of a challenge it'll be for you.

However, it occurred to me that many of you based outside Scotland will know nothing about us and the programmes we make.  So here goes.

Triple Echo Productions make The Adventure Show for BBC-2 Scotland (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0443sx5). A few years ago we made a programme about the Snow Roads Audax, and it was partly the huge, positive response to that show which encouraged us to try to make an hour-long special about the Audax.

If anyone would like a copy of the Snow Roads programme, please mention it in an email to me (along with the other details we'd like) and I'll arrange for either a download link or DVD to be sent to you.  Alternatively you can watch on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9RbrV7PNE).

We don't make Channel Four freak-show TV.  We take this seriously (well... fairly seriously) and aim to capture the challenge, camaraderie and spirit of Audaxing.

We're all committed outdoor people with a long track record of filming in wild places.  The four camera-people booked so far to shoot this comprise; a judge at Banff Film Fest; someone who filmed on the summit of Everest; a mountain guide; and, er, me.  I rode the Raid Pyrenean and La Marmotte last year - which I know is nothing compared to what you're doing - but I do live on Ardnamurchan and you'll be riding close to my house...

So that's us. 

We will be seeing you in Ardrossen on 21st and at various places thereafter, so it would be very helpful to know a little more about some of you please.  Just a who you are, where you're from, phone contact, and why you're doing the ride would be great.  Oh, and whether you'd like to a link or DVD copy of the Snow Roads Audax programme.

audax@sunartmedia.com

Here's hoping a few more of you get in touch before we see you in Ardrossen.
Simon Willis

PS - if you're old enough to remember a classic 1986 documentary The Bike Brothers about Jack, Norman and Ken Taylor, then you might like to know it was made by our executive producer Richard Else who owns Triple Echo.  It's also on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALNsQpCL8LY).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 22 June, 2014, 06:12:09 pm
I am out of this one too.  :-[

Work and stuff means that I can't make it for this.

I also have train tickets (Euston to Ardrossan) and accommodation booked that I will cancel if no one is interested in it.

PM me for details.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eck on 22 June, 2014, 08:10:08 pm
I am out of this one too.  :-[
H
:hand:
But, but, but, you can't DNS. Were you not lined up to be the guest star on the Triple Echo video for this ride, just as George McNasty was the star turn on their Snow Roads programme?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 23 June, 2014, 10:13:25 am
 :(

Sorry to hear it Hummers. The drinking establishments of Northern Scotland were banking on you for a bumper July.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 23 June, 2014, 10:46:00 am
It is all about work  :hand:

Dreadful turn of events.  :facepalm:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 23 June, 2014, 11:23:40 am
Sorry to hear about you no longer riding the Highlander hummers. I'm sure you'll do the perm in your spare time.

I'm really looking forward to the ride now but have a few things I need to do before the ride.

Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 23 June, 2014, 11:21:09 pm
Now that travel, food and accomm have been sorted, it is time to focus on the important cultural issues.
Here area  few for starters:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 24 June, 2014, 11:28:34 am
I have the email now thanks
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 24 June, 2014, 04:23:05 pm
Now hummers has bowed out, I am planning on a blow-up doll and a party-sized bucket of lube I guess. You know, the usual stuff you should have in your saddlebag? 

It will bring back memories of Gadge and the 2013 hard boiled 300  :-*
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: vorsprung on 24 June, 2014, 04:33:56 pm
It is all about work  :hand:

Dreadful turn of events.  :facepalm:

H

I had to duck out (earlier on) as well

I was about family holiday for me

Because I'd entered this I hadn't entered the Mille Cymru or that 1000 in France or anything else.  Oh well, la de da.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: billplumtree on 24 June, 2014, 06:59:31 pm
PS - if you're old enough to remember a classic 1986 documentary The Bike Brothers about Jack, Norman and Ken Taylor, then you might like to know it was made by our executive producer Richard Else who owns Triple Echo.  It's also on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALNsQpCL8LY).

I am old enough, and I knew of it, but I'd never seen it.  Absolutely wonderful.  Thanks for the link
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 24 June, 2014, 08:17:36 pm
Because I'd entered this I hadn't entered the Mille Cymru or that 1000 in France or anything else.  Oh well, la de da.
(my bold)

Still time to do that.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 25 June, 2014, 12:40:35 pm
I have the email now thanks,
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 25 June, 2014, 07:28:41 pm
This is what I've got from the entry mail:
 
Please do not approach the Trantlebeg independent hostel, I will be using much of your entry fee to sole-hire the building, primarily because there's nothing else anywhere close-by.
 
If you have ANY questions, please fire-away - I probably have the answer somewhere.
 
I will keep in contact with you all on a regular basis, primarily to update and advise.
 
Kind regards
Mark.


Just a roof over our heads then?
 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 25 June, 2014, 07:53:13 pm
 
Thank you for entering the event. The event is X-rated, so there's minimal 'on-the-road' support.
 
However, your adventure may be a little less stressful if you're forearmed with certain (software) tools - to this end I would recommend downloading some Apps. I have an android Smartphone - but I'm sure the apps will also be available for the iphone.
 
Obviously Apps are a personal thing, and there's more than one way to achieve the same end.
 
"Traveline Scotland" gives you allsorts of very useful travel info - covering every form of transport, it will certainly give you ferry crossing info, and should the unthinkable happen - train times are also only a few finger taps away.
 
"Met Office" Unsurprisingly - it's a weather app, I've found it remarkably accurate.
 
Obviously using apps from your service provider will cost (one way or another) So it would be useful to scour your service providers library for "Wi-fi" hotspot locators. JDWetherspoons "Pub finder" will locate their PHs - which all have free Cloud Wi-fi. Of course the Cloud is used by many other shops - which you'll also have access to. "O2" also provide something similar - so other service providers must do the same. I'm in the process of collating possible providers along the route.
 
As to WWW links, you will need to plan your own sleep stops, There are many SYHAs http://www.syha.org.uk/  and independent hostels  http://www.independenthostelguide.co.uk/  along the route, (about 60 in fact). Some hostels operate open 24/7 ( such as the Durness Ind Hostel). I refered earlier to "Traveline Scotland", naturally they have a website and their App can be downloadd from their site.
 
Much of the route has plenty of places to stop and eat as you progress, However the stretch between Durness and Lairg is spartan in every sense - places to eat are very few and far between, I suggest that you consider carring enough sustainence during this part of the ride.
 
Please do not approach the Trantlebeg independent hostel, I will be using much of your entry fee to sole-hire the building, primarily because there's nothing else anywhere close-by.
 
The routesheet is available on the AUK event page, I will be up-loading GPS files in the very near future - so please don't go to the trouble of trying to generate your own.
 
There will be various topics concerning the ride at https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=17.0 some have already started, such as  https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=74722.0 and https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=74824.0
 
If you're not a member of this forum, it's worth joining and contributing.
 
There will also be a kml file, save and open this file using Google Earth - and you'll get an armchair view of what lies in store for you.
 
The ferry crossings will be a bottleneck, the start time has been chosen as the best compromise. There's little point in cyclists "just-getting" to (say) Oban and wasting time at Tobermory. We're looking at the timings - and may amend. but the ride has already been completed using a similar start time.
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As to the Apps,
 
I would consider downloading "Traveline Scotland" - a comprehensive public transport app for all types of vehicles.
 
A weather app, which you down load is personal choice, I use both - "Met Office", "El Tiempo.es". Most non-met office apps tend to use the same info supplier, and then display the info in a way they prefer.
 
If you're using a GPS unit, it's probably best to go to the manufacturer's own website. I have a Garmin E-Trex hcx, and use "Uploader" & "Garmin Exchanger" to good effect.
 
Your service provider will no-doubt have apps showing where you can get free wifi use in certain commercial properties. For example, I'm with O2, "O2 wifi" shows you where their hot-spots are. This will get you automatic free wifi in places such as Costa Coffee, Waitrose, Toby Carvery. You'll be able to pick-up a signal without actually going into the establishment, and many leave the wifi on 24/7.
 
Consider downloading a banking app, these are available from your bank's website.
 
If you have a Pay-Pal account linked to your bank account, the App will let you purchase in various commercial outlets.
 
"Earth" is the Android version of Google Earth, If you convert your GPS files to kml format, you can open them using "Earth" and view the route, could be useful if you think you're lost.
 
"UK Atlas Lite", this gives the entire UK in OS mapping format.
 
"FastConnect" is the latest version of The Cloud, handy if you wish to upload/download info, particularly if your memory is getting low on your device.
 
There are many different brewing/alcohol suppliers that supply apps "Pubfinder" from JDWetherspoon will show the location of their establishments, once there you have (virtually unlimited access) to The Cloud. Other chains have apps.
 
Please note these are all android apps, and most can be found on Google Play - I haven't ventured into the world of iphone mayhem, but I'm sure there will be the equivalent in the apple orchard.
 
Some of these Apps ru n resident from your mobile, others need 3G signal.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 26 June, 2014, 10:29:48 am
Very helpful Mark, cheers  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 26 June, 2014, 10:34:36 am
This might be helpful, but then again you might be better not knowing.

http://midgeforecast.co.uk/

Anecdotal evidence from relatives in Ft William (as well as a few press articles) indicate that this is a bad midge year.

Take a midge net - it could preserve your sanity. 

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 26 June, 2014, 02:12:36 pm
Someone put up a link to the Trantlebeg hostel? I can't find it searching now. Is it worth taking a sleepingbag and wee bivi incase its full when we arrive? I imagine ~40 rides desending on it might mean no bed space for the late comers?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 26 June, 2014, 03:14:24 pm
Gairloch Cairn Derg appears to be open now on the 22nd July..... Quandry, do I unbook my hotel?

http://www.syha.org.uk/where-to-stay/highlands/gairloch-carn-dearg.aspx
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 26 June, 2014, 04:36:21 pm
I noticed that as well - but it's also another 6-7km further on from Gairloch and would also have to re-trace to get back on route I believe. We've booked into this place: http://www.millcroft-hotel.co.uk/ (http://www.millcroft-hotel.co.uk/)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 26 June, 2014, 05:13:06 pm
Here is today's [thursday 26jun] news re Gairloch
a/c googlemaps it is 4.2km from Gairloch junction/shoppie

<<<<<
Indications are that we are ahead of schedule so are currently taking bookings from 18th July.

We have a another meeting with the contractors tomorrow so I will email you again over the weekend when I should have the definitive answer. All looks good at the moment but I would suggest a little caution when booking until after I have been back in contact.

Hope that helps for now.
Kind regards
Mat

Manager
North West Highlands Hostel Group
Torridon, Ullapool, Gairloch, Durness, Achmelvich & Achininver
SYHA Hostelling Scotland
Torridon, By Achnasheen, IV22 2EZ
Tel: 01445 791284
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 27 June, 2014, 09:37:49 am
Here is the Hostel at Trantlebeg btw (curtesey of Blacksheep). I've looked at Google Street View but I guess its a few years out of date, as its not clear from the road side which is the hostel. I guess Blacksheep will put an AUK arrow on the road at the turn off so tired cyclists don't sail by and miss it.

http://www.independenthostelguide.co.uk/selected-accommodation.php?hostel=800&s=201

I've decided to take the smallest bag I have and a weenie tent incase its full or not reached on Wednesday evening.

If you want to guarrentee a bed then Forinsnard Hotel is a few miles south of the Hostel.

http://theforsinard.co.uk/  http://goo.gl/maps/iTQIF
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 28 June, 2014, 10:04:56 am
re Gairloch SYHA latest sat 28Jun, which I have booked for myself,
and noted reception open 5-10pm so will advise later that I may be late:

Hi Mark
Yes all is fine to book
funnily enough I was just sending out emails to guests (including yourself) to advise.
Is there some sort of forum for Audax that you can post on for me so others know of the situation?
Perhaps a link to:
http://www.syha.org.uk/news-events/news/2014/june/gairloch-youth-hostel-re-opening.aspx

Cheers

Mat
Manager
North West Highlands Hostel Group
Torridon, Ullapool, Gairloch, Durness, Achmelvich & Achininver
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 04 July, 2014, 06:18:19 pm
Is this a routesheet error? Well clearly it is! But maybe I've picked up a bad version somehow:



155.7   5.3   LEFT @ T, $ [OBAN], A816. And follow to OBAN.
209.4   59.0   2nd exit @ mrb, $ Town Centre.
209.8   59.4   LEFT, $ Gallanach, ferry, Albany Street. .....
150.4      ........ Follow "FERRY" signs on road
210.7   60.3   RIGHT, $ "Welcome to Oban Ferry Terminal".


(the distances suggest we pop into a worm-hole briefly)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 07 July, 2014, 11:44:31 am
Some of you enjoyed playing with my LEL calculator spreadsheet, and I've been refining the concept since.
The version for HGWI is at http://1drv.ms/1mA68N0 (http://1drv.ms/1mA68N0)
3 points to note
a) a defined "plan" is not a recipe for success !
b) you can delete or move the pale blue "instructions" text boxes once you've read them.
c) if you load it on an Android device to take with, you can do a limited amount of "replanning" from the Output tab

Oh yes... and sadly I shan't be riding, but this was all ready to go before that decision was taken.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: swiss hat on 08 July, 2014, 12:40:00 pm

I will be up-loading GPS files in the very near future - so please don't go to the trouble of trying to generate your own.

Have I missed the GPS files or is Mr Blacksheep still honing them to perfection?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 08 July, 2014, 10:27:39 pm
Now full - There might be other places and I know there is a YH quite close.

Sleeping at Gairloch.
I have booked a small bunkhouse for the exclusive use of riders on this event. There are a total of 5 beds and the organiser will provide food for supper and breakfast (at a cost). We can come and go as we please and there will be no one else to disturb.
:
BB


For RL reasons, I've taken over the handling of this booking, and there is now a place available for the Tues night (22nd Jul) - cost remains at £15 + 1/5th food split.

1st come 1st dibs.


Edit: Now dibbed.

Short notice, but another place now free - same details, first come first dubbed

P.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 08 July, 2014, 10:53:53 pm
Dib.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 09 July, 2014, 04:21:49 am
Dib.
Yours...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 July, 2014, 09:52:47 am
Ferries:

Looks like we need Hopscotch 5 and 7 and that gets us to Armadale. 

Been a while since I have used Calmac - but I guess we should be able to just buy those in Ardrossan on the Saturday/Sunday (depending on when you're crossing onto Arran)?

Must remember to pack sea-sickness pills - any rough weather and I could be out of action for a while (not a joke - I have been rendered incapable of walking for an hour or so after a particularly rough crossing in northern Sumatra).

Have a new bottle of Skin So Soft on it's way and will pop up to our storage unit this weekend to dig out midge headnet etc.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pete Mas on 10 July, 2014, 10:46:26 am
Wishing good luck to all riders on this event, and hope you don't miss the boat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
On July 21 I am planning on being on 'easy' Day 7 of a Dolomites Raid,(including Passo Tre Croci, Tre Cime di Lavaredo, (4k of 11.5%) Passo di Cimabanche.- 1550m ascent in 55K). Otherwise this event would have been on my radar.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 10 July, 2014, 01:28:26 pm
Quote

Armadale
Town in United Kingdom
Armadale is a town within the district of West Lothian in central Scotland.
???
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 10 July, 2014, 01:31:29 pm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadale,_Skye
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 July, 2014, 01:33:17 pm
What's causing the confusion?  Did I spell something wrong or something? ???
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 10 July, 2014, 01:33:59 pm
Two different places in same name shocker!!!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 11 July, 2014, 10:19:43 am
Two different places in same name shocker!!!
yes yes, i get the message  ;D
marcus made no error. I was a little hasty in my googling.  :facepalm:

But what interests me is how blinkered google was: First page didn't show the one we're going to. So I fed "Armadale ferry" to the maps app, and it returned a pet shop N of Edinburgh.

As you were ...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 13 July, 2014, 07:55:23 pm
Do we have a preferred Finish Control (aka Pub)  yet? It rather seems like all the other slow riders have dropped out, but there's a fair chance this rider will be pushing the 23:37h cutoff. So somewhere open until midnight on a Friday would be ideal.

[with secure-ish courtyard for bikes, even ideallerer!]
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 14 July, 2014, 11:21:30 am
Can't recomend a pub I'm afraid. I'm staying at the start and finish with friends who live locally so won't be stopping long at the end, unless I cycle with a group to the finish and have a meal with them.

I'm wondering if I have calulated the times right? I figure ~108 hours for the 1300km right? But I'm unsure as I hear other riders have done things like PBP (100km less) in 90 hours, so an extra 18 hours for only 100km appears more than we should be allowed?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 14 July, 2014, 11:33:36 am
The minimum average speed required does drop past the 600km, 1000km and 1200km distances e.g. LEL overall speed is slower than PBP overall speed.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 14 July, 2014, 12:04:40 pm
Do we have a preferred Finish Control (aka Pub)  yet? It rather seems like all the other slow riders have dropped out, but there's a fair chance this rider will be pushing the 23:37h cutoff. So somewhere open until midnight on a Friday would be ideal.

[with secure-ish courtyard for bikes, even ideallerer!]
I'm staying in Ardrossan the Saturday and Sunday night in advance, so have time to research the subject.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 14 July, 2014, 01:14:46 pm
Do we have a preferred Finish Control (aka Pub)  yet? It rather seems like all the other slow riders have dropped out, but there's a fair chance this rider will be pushing the 23:37h cutoff. So somewhere open until midnight on a Friday would be ideal.

[with secure-ish courtyard for bikes, even ideallerer!]

Not to worry. I've been studiously avoiding training. Apart from the odd gym session and game of football. Oh, and I commuted once last week.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 14 July, 2014, 05:41:37 pm
As to the question about pubs. Though I went to school in Ardrossan, I can't name a single pub there.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 14 July, 2014, 05:56:26 pm
I have emailed CTC Ayrshire. Hopefully there will be a good recomendation from them.

Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 14 July, 2014, 08:12:49 pm
I guess you'll buy us Dutchies a small pint at Ardrossan then?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 14 July, 2014, 10:02:54 pm
Better check ye Good Beer guide then..!!!

Hoping to find something descent there before (and after) the event.

Damn! Better get the mi**e repellant ordered then :-o
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 14 July, 2014, 10:58:17 pm
Does anyone want my train ticket up from Euston? Send me a PM if you are interested.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 15 July, 2014, 10:35:33 am
Well the clock is ticking down now. Batteries on charge. Noting a fair weather forecast, sunshine and showers and a gentle tailie from Campbelltown to Durness, I have greased and taped up my rear lights, which decided to switch themselves on in overnight rain in Ikley during TdF visit. This trip gave the oppo not only to review the LEL route again, cycle over newly resurfaced YadMoss in the rain this time [snow and sun on previous visits], but also to test the midge strength during an overnight at SamyeLing whose campsite was knee high in dockins, nettles, must have been some grass, and the aforesaid. Now equipped with Avon, and have a spare bottle to sell on if anyone wants. Must get on with chain cleaning and valve cap polishing. Good luck everyone and enjoy  :). Look forward to seeing you at the start, and hopefully on the occasional ferry.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 15 July, 2014, 11:41:29 am
Noting a fair weather forecast, sunshine and showers and a gentle tailie from Campbelltown to Durness

If there is one thing I have now learned from all my long DIY attempts this year is that the weather forecast of wind a few days ahead always converts to a headwind on the day :'(

Got my mossie helmet, which I reckon is just a fine mesh shopping bag, without a handle, to stick on your head, at about three times the price.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 15 July, 2014, 12:01:14 pm
I've nearly finished building my bike.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 15 July, 2014, 01:36:50 pm
Well the clock is ticking down now. Batteries on charge. Noting a fair weather forecast, sunshine and showers and a gentle tailie from Campbelltown to Durness, I have greased and taped up my rear lights, which decided to switch themselves on in overnight rain in Ikley during TdF visit. This trip gave the oppo not only to review the LEL route again, cycle over newly resurfaced YadMoss in the rain this time [snow and sun on previous visits], but also to test the midge strength during an overnight at SamyeLing whose campsite was knee high in dockins, nettles, must have been some grass, and the aforesaid. Now equipped with Avon, and have a spare bottle to sell on if anyone wants. Must get on with chain cleaning and valve cap polishing. Good luck everyone and enjoy  :). Look forward to seeing you at the start, and hopefully on the occasional ferry.

Hey Collonach, so you did the Borderlands Roc Tevesal 600 did you? and only a week before the Highlander! Good going! I decided to give it a miss this year, plus my other half booked a holiday which flew us back on Saturday so I couldn't have entered even if I wanted to. Perhaps I'll recognise your face on the day.

Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 15 July, 2014, 02:10:38 pm
I've nearly finished building my bike.  :thumbsup:

I've nearly started building my bike.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 15 July, 2014, 05:01:27 pm
ok, time to get ready :). train tickets booked to arrive sunday afternoon and depart saturday afternoon, hotel rooms in irvine booked for sunday night and friday night. waiting for a midge net, "skin so soft" and a tecknet power bank to arrive by post. next step - to sort out the gpx track (anyone got one already?..).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 15 July, 2014, 05:21:35 pm
ok, time to get ready :). train tickets booked to arrive sunday afternoon and depart saturday afternoon, hotel rooms in irvine booked for sunday night and friday night. waiting for a midge net, "skin so soft" and a tecknet power bank to arrive by post. next step - to sort out the gpx track (anyone got one already?..).
http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/bentaylor/hgwi1300 << edit - warning: take hover-over distances with pinch of salt
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2014, 05:45:16 pm
En-route provision planning:

I think most of the route will be OK, assuming the various info posted about shops is true! Some long legs, but that's OK.
I'm a bit concerned about Day2 (which remember we start at 0830!),
 getting from Kyle of Lochalsh to Gairloch. 107 hilly km, possibly starting in afternoon heat (!).

Kinlochlewe is at 494k i.e. an 80k leg, but the caff closes at 2100. Could be a close thing.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Whistle-Stop-Cafe-Kinlochewe/223096744444313

There are a few tiny villages en-route ...  :-\
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 15 July, 2014, 09:23:48 pm
Not sure on your timings and distances there?

I make it that we will, hopefully, be on the 16:40 ferry from Mallaig-Armadale (341km) - arriving Armadale @ 17:10 - that's only given you a window of just under 5 hours to ride the 95km from Kilchoan to Mallaig.  With around 1400m of ascent in that section, that's by no means a given - so it could be the 18:00 ferry, putting an extra 1 hour 20 into these calculations.

Aiming for Gairloch (as I know you are) @ 488km - that's nearly 150km to do before getting to bed - I'd have thought going through Kinlochlewe 11pm-midnight?  Might just get closing time at the pub.

I think my plan will be Broadford (368km) at around 18:30 - possibly something here: http://www.waterfront-takeaway.co.uk/Waterfront_Takeaway/Menu.html and load up at the supermarket (co-op) before heading straight to Gairloch. 

PoP is going to be interesting in Gairloch - there is an ATM on the way into town (a way from town - but I am guessing it would be acceptable) - http://goo.gl/maps/Tm39A  - otherwise sort something out in the morning.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 15 July, 2014, 09:59:48 pm
En-route provision planning:

I think most of the route will be OK, assuming the various info posted about shops is true! Some long legs, but that's OK.
I'm a bit concerned about Day2 (which remember we start at 0830!),
 getting from Kyle of Lochalsh to Gairloch. 107 hilly km, possibly starting in afternoon heat (!).

Kinlochlewe is at 494k i.e. an 80k leg, but the caff closes at 2100. Could be a close thing.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Whistle-Stop-Cafe-Kinlochewe/223096744444313

There are a few tiny villages en-route ...  :-\



matt - sorry, if you look at my map, this is one exceptional instance where you can't really go by the distance it tells you when you hover over it, as that includes the distance travelled on ferries!

not realy sure I know a fix for it at the moment to be honest, I'll have a think on the way round.

Kinlochewe isn't at 494km, it's more like about ~458km.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2014, 10:08:05 pm
Thanks Ben; I had already noticed that your map does very odd things, and it was mainly due to ferries!
Anyway, as MJB says, i doubt I'll be finding anyhting open in Kinlochewe.

My distances (for the other places!) are about right, but I'd totally ignored the ferry crossings  :facepalm:. So we'll be a lot later than I was thinking. So, about 100k between provisionings, which is ok if it's early evening. I hope the quick boys enjoy the Whistle Stop Cafe  :thumbsup:

[I'm trying not to think about how late I'll get to Gairloch. And Trantlebeg. And Glencoe/FW ... ]

Thanks, both.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 15 July, 2014, 10:12:09 pm
My bike works. Now for lights.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2014, 10:13:32 pm
New BB is in. Needs some cranks fitting.

Then the headset.

Apart from luggage, i'll be done!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 15 July, 2014, 10:20:01 pm
Need to decide what wheels to use.  Snapped a pawl in my Royce wheels riding up/back to the Tour.  Probably a Hope/Archetype rear wheel - PowerTap seems a little excessive for this jaunt! 

New tyres and front brakepads to fit.

Then do my absolute best to make sure I am travelling as light as I dare.  Hoping for decent weather so I can dry a pair of shorts hung on the saddlebag each day.  Tops, I am less worried about - smelly I can deal with; dirty, sweaty shorts - less so.  Better start planning it out and taking some guesses at what weather we might be looking at. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 15 July, 2014, 10:21:57 pm
Weirdly, my map doesn't go to lochinver - but i've only created it by converting the kml on the auk site, that doesn't appear to go there either.

It looks like it is a dead end - I presume it is a control, that we go there and then retrace back the way we've come to the main road?

I was just wondering why it appeared to have 'gained' about 30k between gairloch and durness... :-\
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2014, 10:25:10 pm
Aha! I did wonder how the total distance got back to something reasonable.

Lochinver is indeed a control. Skipping them is considered bad form. Apart from that, your map has been very useful (but I do tend to look at the routesheet for actual real-world distances - no offence ... )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 15 July, 2014, 10:27:16 pm
Weirdly, my map doesn't go to lochinver - but i've only created it by converting the kml on the auk site, that doesn't appear to go there either.

It looks like it is a dead end - I presume it is a control, that we go there and then retrace back the way we've come to the main road?

I was just wondering why it appeared to have 'gained' about 30k between gairloch and durness... :-\


Your route is very different to my GPX files (plotted from routesheet).  Is that kml just the Google maps shortest distance?

The routesheet has no retracing. 

You definitely want to go to Lochinvar, as it is a control!

You'd also miss out on views like this:

http://goo.gl/maps/bq68D

http://goo.gl/maps/2Ebj0
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 15 July, 2014, 10:32:49 pm
Weirdly, my map doesn't go to lochinver - but i've only created it by converting the kml on the auk site, that doesn't appear to go there either.

It looks like it is a dead end - I presume it is a control, that we go there and then retrace back the way we've come to the main road?

I was just wondering why it appeared to have 'gained' about 30k between gairloch and durness... :-\




Your route is very different to my GPX files (plotted from routesheet).  Is that kml just the Google maps shortest distance?

You definitely want to go to Lochinvar, as it is a control!

I don't know how the kml was initially created... I just got it from the auk page.

Anyhow I've fixed my link so it now goes there!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2014, 10:39:52 pm
Hmmm. So there may be riders with an incomplete route on their GPS.

Worth knowing ... <whistles> ...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 16 July, 2014, 12:04:53 pm
Well I got my gpx from the file off Audax website and have only modified it to reduce the track points so it fits on my gps.

I've sorted my bike out, lights, seat rack, panniers, etc.. Now I just need to figure out what I need to take and then figure out what I've packed with is unnecessary!
Panniers x2.
Sleeping bag & Bivi*
Spares (spare tyre [no jokes pls], puncture stuff, tubes, nuts & bolts, allen key tool, multitool)
Water bottles,
Small stove, metal cup & brew kit.
Breakfast (porrage pre prepared, just add hot water).
Sports drink/rehydration.
Hip Flask ;O).
GPS, spare batteries, spare lights.
Spare shorts, couple of tops (short & long slieved) arm warmers.
Waterproofs & overshoes.
Midge repelent.
Map of Scotland ;o).
Laminated directions.

* just in case I don't make my planned stop.

This is just a provisional list, any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 16 July, 2014, 01:16:37 pm
Looking at the gpx supplied it does not go to Lochinver as stated above. I've now created a new track on ridewithgps but trying to load it into bikehike to converted it to fit (2000 track points) is not working.... Its bally 3.7Mb before reduction.

Update, BenT's link works and I was able to download a route and reduce with bikehike to 2000 points. Cheers BenT!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 16 July, 2014, 01:39:49 pm
Looking at the gpx supplied it does not go to Lochinver as stated above. I've now created a new track on ridewithgps but trying to load it into bikehike to converted it to fit (2000 track points) is not working.... Its bally 3.7Mb before reduction.
Dave, I've modified my link so it now does go to Lochinver: http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/bentaylor/hgwi1300
Right click, Save All to download GPX.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 16 July, 2014, 01:43:33 pm
Many thanks Ben. My usual method doesn't work I guess with tracks over 600km. I have a gpx and will try this evening on my gps device to confirm it displays the whole route.

I'll have a backup paper map anyway but would much prefer a gps line to follow.

Kind regards, Dva eC
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 16 July, 2014, 01:44:01 pm
If anyone is struggling with GPS files - see here for some I did earlier, cut up into small chunks - https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=74722.msg1644607#msg1644607
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 16 July, 2014, 06:13:58 pm
thanks Marcus and Ben, i've compiled the gpx file now using both sources
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 16 July, 2014, 09:28:30 pm
Hmm two panniers full weighing ~8kg and that doesn't include a 500gm sleeping bag and 400gm bivi. Gulp! Might have to start removing stuff, starting with two sets of spares/tools. MSR whisperlite and gaz canister was a late addition. Might have a look at the MSR pocket rocket tomorrow.

Bike hike track works many thanks BenT
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: tyddles on 16 July, 2014, 11:31:22 pm
Ardrossan ale?  Nope - Nearest in 2014 Good beer guide is in Saltcoats - Salt Cot a Wetherspoons http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-salt-cot  open 08:00 to 23:00 daily.  Early beers may require you to order 2 meals. No, really
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 10:08:42 am
Hmm two panniers full weighing ~8kg and that doesn't include a 500gm sleeping bag and 400gm bivi. Gulp! Might have to start removing stuff, starting with two sets of spares/tools. MSR whisperlite and gaz canister was a late addition. Might have a look at the MSR pocket rocket tomorrow.

There's no right and wrong to anything we do - but I will say that's a fair weight to haul over some pretty lumpy days!  Yes, with the bivi, you maybe have less pressure to be somewhere than those of us going for roofs over our heads. 

Stove does seem an extravagance, both in time and weight.  But each to their own!

I am normal a kitchen sinker - but, for this ride, I am really trying to cut the weight down.  I've even been weighing different clothing options to work out the best combinations!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2014, 10:30:19 am
There's no right and wrong to anything we do

...

I've even been weighing different clothing options to work out the best combinations!
I'm sorry, but that is very wrong.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 10:35:01 am
I agree - it's not normal for me!

But, on this ride, we've no bag drops, no TLC and have to carry everything for a 5 day tour (plus a day or two at each end of travelling, further touring).  So, I needed to work out which combination of clothing (and I know which combinations work for me in most weather conditions) work out best in weight and volume. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 17 July, 2014, 10:38:43 am
Hmm, I normally drink cold drinks and only hot in cafes etc.. So perhaps I could remove the stove and hot drinks option. It was only for drinks and not food anyway as I'm in accomodation every night.

I think I have too many clothes. I was speaking to a chap who is riding in a European race ~1600km I think, and he is only taking the clothes off his back!

Certainly need to remove stuff as my panniers bang against my mudguard stays when going over bumpy ground.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 10:49:50 am
I know of several Transcontinental racers who will wear just the one pair of shorts and jersey for the duration (8-10 days).  Not sure I can go to that extreme. Tops yes, shorts no. 

I know what I need in terms of layers - I feel the cold really badly, particularly as the fatigue of a long multi-day ride sets in, so don't be surprised to see me in a long sleeve jersey, and possibly my rain jacket, even during the day.  The perks of being 58-59 Kgs.

What I need to cut down on for this ride is the number of costume changes.  I do like to look good, both on and off the bike, but my wardrobe will be severely limited on this ride.  I have, however, acquired the ugliest off-bike sandals possible.  But they:

a) have velcro straps, so I can secure them onto the saddlebag better than LEL (where I lost one in the Howardian Hills, only for someone to pick it up and put it in the lost property and I got it back on the way south (where I had also dumped the one remaining shoe)) or my Super Randonee (where it fell off on the descent of Tourmalet at just under 90kph - like *&^% I was going back to collect it!).
b) 188 grammes for the pair in size 9
c) £3.50 from Sports Direct

(I am quite a big fan of alternative footwear on long rides as spending 18-20 hours a day in Sidi racing shoes can take it's toll over the days and they are useful for manky shower-rooms (LEL!), trains etc.)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 17 July, 2014, 11:28:48 am
regarding same pair of shorts on multi-day rides - i don't see a problem (as long as you keep your undercarriage clean). many riders/racers manage just fine. there are more important things to think and worry about :).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 17 July, 2014, 11:36:58 am
I'll be attempting the Transcontinental too and having done a 1600km Audax in hot conditions a few years ago, know that I am unwilling to wear the same stinky stuff for days on end and will take the weight penalty. For the HGWI I'll be bringing the kit I intend taking on the Transcontinental plus a couple of extra things for the midges and wet.

I'm able to leave a small bag with normal clothing for before and after with my accomodation in Ardrossan, so that helps.  For the ride itself I will be bringing a very lightweight tent (may skip that on the Transcontinental), sleeping bag plus enough spare clothing (spare shirt, socks, shorts, mitts) that I can wash it en-route and not feel completely manky, plus spares I could need in the Balkans, toiletries etc.

I have taken several tips from http://www.ultralightcycling.blogspot.co.uk/  (http://www.ultralightcycling.blogspot.co.uk/) including wrapping my kit in a compression sack using bubble wrap around it to keep it dry and act as my sleeping mat, meaning I dont use panniers. Tried it a couple of nights after long rides and it works, though you need to add a few minutes for tying the pack down to the rack with bungees.
No cooking stuff, no plate, no mug, no spare shoes (using cleat covers).

Incidentally when I sat down and planned in more detail earlier this week, I reckon that apart from hotel meals - which tend to be last order 8:30 pm - there will be no open source of food between Scourie in the far North West and Lairg, a 100km after Trantlebeg, at the times I am likely to be going through there.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2014, 11:39:54 am
regarding same pair of shorts on multi-day rides - i don't see a problem (as long as you keep your undercarriage clean). many riders/racers manage just fine. there are more important things to think and worry about :).
Yes, there are. Such as:

Will I have to share a room with zigzag on this ride?

[but seriously ... its gotta be easier to keep your undercarriage clean if you start each day with a clean undercarriage harness. Surely?! But as they say, Its a Broad Church ...)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2014, 11:46:20 am
Incidentally when I sat down and planned in more detail earlier this week, I reckon that apart from hotel meals - which tend to be last order 8:30 pm - there will be no open source of food between Scourie in the far North West and Lairg, a 100km after Trantlebeg, at the times I am likely to be going through there.
True - apart from Trantlebeg. I'm getting the impression Mark will feed us there. *

What have you found in Scourie? that's a gap in my magic list of food stops. (Think it's about 180k after Gairloch  :thumbsup: )


*(If not I expect he'll tell us, and we'll just need to buy our dinner at the penultimate shop! They have kitchen+cutlery there.)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 17 July, 2014, 11:52:46 am
Has anyone heard from Mark? I received the initial email but nothing since. On audaxes we usually receive info a week prior to the event start.

I wasn't not going to take a sleeping bag but after asking mark I got the impression from his reply that there is limited accomodation in Trantlebeg and so I thought I'd add a bag incase I turn up and have to kip in the manger.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 17 July, 2014, 11:59:27 am
now contemplating road or mtb shoes/pedals. considering ferry transfers and possible slippery docks/floors i'll go for mtb this time.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 17 July, 2014, 12:13:10 pm
There's no right and wrong to anything we do

...

I've even been weighing different clothing options to work out the best combinations!
I'm sorry, but that is very wrong.

au naturel - skin dun't rust. Might need a shitload of midge repellant tho ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 12:16:51 pm
au naturel - skin dun't rust. Might need a shitload of midge repellant tho ;)

Like your thinking - maximum aero benefit as well. 

[but seriously ... its gotta be easier to keep your undercarriage clean if you start each day with a clean undercarriage harness. Surely?! But as they say, Its a Broad Church ...)

Just don't be alarmed when I arrive at the Gairloch lovenest in the middle of the night, au naturel.  Though my undercarriage has never been described as broad (or church-like....)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 17 July, 2014, 12:35:34 pm
Yes, I swapped from road to MTB shoes this morning, having clipclopped round Menorca the last two weeks. I've only ridden Audax in road shoes the last year and still commute on spds and MTB shoes daily.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 03:37:07 pm
First attempt at rear bag pack (forgot to do up the internal strap, so I am dangling a little) - just over 3Kg with all my clothing and most of the spares and toiletries etc. I will carry and includes over 200g of lock in the top pocket.

Considering a Carradice Barley and Bagman support weigh 1.1 Kg before you put anything in them, I am doing pretty well I think.   I dare not weigh the Camper Longflap I would normally have on a ride like this.  Oh go on then - closer to 1.3 Kg.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14490296828_002e429c9e_c.jpg)

I will be weighing the rear bag down slightly with the aforementioned, least fashionable sandals in the world:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5594/14490296538_2a997c31df_c.jpg)

What do you expect for £3.50?!?!?  Edit - I have just spotted that the right one doesn't have a little loop on the rear - no wonder they were cheap.  Damnit, I expect better for that amount of money!

Up front, I will have a Revelate Sweetroll carrying sleeping bag, small towel etc. and a bag on top of that for "stuff I need as I ride" (food, brevet card, wallet etc.)

I've done around 700km with the Viscacha/Sweetroll setup - works well (the Sweetroll isn't perfect with drop bars, but I've found handling much less affected compared to a big Ortlieb). 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 17 July, 2014, 03:44:21 pm
My set-up that I carried on the BCM weighed about 7kg and that includes a tent, camping mat, and sleeping bag. I am adding the water purifier thing because why not.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 05:09:55 pm
How are you carrying your kit Simon? 

I was pretty impressed with the Viscacha on a ride up to the Tour De France and back - it looks like it should sway about like crazy, but it's very solid indeed. 

I will wait until Saturday before making my final clothing gambles.  I need to have a range of looks ready for the interviews with the film crew! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2014, 05:10:56 pm
LW sandals are on my very long list of things-to-get-around-to-buying-one-day.
I can see the attraction, given how light they are. But i've managed ok with just my spds for 10 days, so I shan't be panic-buying this time.

My biggest weight worry is all the brevidence we will be collecting. Its a good thing the controls are widely spaced.

Marcus have you weighed 1300km of receipts yet?  I'm not even sure what to put them all in   :-\
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 05:16:20 pm
I am a big fan of different shoes - Sidi carbon soles get a bit uncomfy after a few days.  It's nice in controls/hotels etc. to have different shoes and very useful for shower rooms on things like LEL etc.  And for long train journeys. 

I make it 13 receipts, assuming blacksheep is stamping cards at Trantlebeg.  I am going to have to really limit what I buy to minimise paper. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 17 July, 2014, 06:32:53 pm
Aye there are more controls than there are roads up north. Filing all the paperwork en route is going to be a challenge. Maybe we could just control at Arran and Durness?
My big question for BlackSheep reflects one above: will there be porridge at Trantlebeg? Or will I have to carry another wee bundle of oats [79g with seeds and raisins]? I haven't yet worked out the metres climbed to T in order to assess the energy cost  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 17 July, 2014, 06:46:54 pm
Bookmark this, will save carrying a map:
http://veloviewer.com/route/3793315183
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 07:18:23 pm
At least it is mostly green though?

On both sites I have run my gpx files through show around 16500m of ascent. More than enough for a week's work.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 17 July, 2014, 07:35:56 pm
I'm borrowing Feline's camper longflap and using a bagman expedition. Am going to experiment with tent slung under bars also but not tried that out yet.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: vorsprung on 17 July, 2014, 09:03:47 pm
Those about to rock I salute you, Bonne route an' all that

I had entered but Mrs V  persuaded  me otherwise and I am now in Brittany

Marcus, don't worry about the weight of receipts just eat plenty of roughage
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 17 July, 2014, 09:08:25 pm
Marcus, don't worry about the weight of receipts just eat plenty of roughage

So I can provide PoP (passage of poop)?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 17 July, 2014, 09:15:25 pm
Ardrossan ale?  Nope - Nearest in 2014 Good beer guide is in Saltcoats - Salt Cot a Wetherspoons http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-salt-cot  open 08:00 to 23:00 daily.  Early beers may require you to order 2 meals. No, really

Do you know, that is pretty much bang on the end of the ride on the same street! Suggest people meet there after the ride, especially if they do food!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 17 July, 2014, 11:38:44 pm
...... I haven't yet worked out the metres climbed to T in order to assess the energy cost  :)

10 000m to Trantlebeg, 5 000 m after
- ish

Good luck to all those riding.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 18 July, 2014, 10:41:50 am
3.6kg!!?? God I have far too much still! Went down from 8kg to 5 now though pannier weighs 1kg and I have managed to loose one from my need list. I think I still have too much, and I don't hacve a sleeping bag or bivi, which I'm glad I don't need due to accomodation booked. Hmm might have to do some more sliming.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 18 July, 2014, 11:10:46 am
My plan for sleep stops is:

Oban camping and caravan park (about 2.5 miles from the ferry terminal).
Gairloch bunkhouse
Trantlebeg bunkhouse (can maybe camp outside if full)
Red kite campsite, Glencoe

This isn't final, if things don't go to plan it will all change as needed!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 18 July, 2014, 11:45:16 am
...... I haven't yet worked out the metres climbed to T in order to assess the energy cost  :)

10 000m to Trantlebeg, 5 000 m after
- ish

Good luck to all those riding.

Sounds about right. 

There's a couple of more fearsome sections - Kilchoan to Mallaig looks quite challenging, especially as some of us will be, ideally, aiming for the earlier ferry.  The sections around Lochinvar also look rather demanding.  Nothing totally bonkers I think - 1.5% ish on bikeroutetoaster, more on ridewithgps (including 2% sections  :sick: ).  I'll take bikeroutetoaster currently!  But as ever, it's not just the amount of climbing, but the nature of that climbing - and this looks like the horrible sapping little climbs on the whole. 

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2014, 11:59:04 am
Keep an eye out for viewpoints, usually at the tops of hills there'll be a lay-by with some interpretation boards. Many of the best views on the West coast are looking towards the South. So if you keep focused on what's in front of you, you'll wonder why there's a lot of fuss about the scenery.

It's possible that the filming will show you more of some of the most iconic views in the UK than you'll see yourself. I wouldn't worry too much about navigation, I'm surprised that there hasn't been more about the varied nature of the route itself.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 18 July, 2014, 12:01:36 pm
i'll be on a geared bike, so climbing is not much different from riding on flat (only slower). my main concern is ferry transfers - what to do if you arrive to the port at night? ::-)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 18 July, 2014, 12:03:38 pm
i'll be on a geared bike, so climbing is not much different from riding on flat (only slower). my main concern is ferry transfers - what to do if you arrive to the port at night? ::-)

Bribe a fisherman?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2014, 12:09:03 pm
A typical South facing view is that of Kylesku Bridge. This picture is from a BBC international travel article that is not available in the UK. You'll be seeing a lot of foreign registered vehicles, as the far North West is better known abroad.

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwtravel/960_540/images/live/p0/0z/nc/p00znc4k.jpg)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 18 July, 2014, 12:15:33 pm
Red kite campsite, Glencoe

Red Squirrel?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 18 July, 2014, 12:22:44 pm
Red kite campsite, Glencoe

Red Squirrel?

:facepalm:

No idea why I typed that...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 18 July, 2014, 12:35:01 pm
My plan for sleep stops is:

Oban camping and caravan park (about 2.5 miles from the ferry terminal).
Gairloch bunkhouse
Trantlebeg bunkhouse (can maybe camp outside if full)
Red kite campsite, Glencoe

This isn't final, if things don't go to plan it will all change as needed!

Oban SYHA,
Poolewe Hotel (after the SYHA closed),
Trantlebegging for a bed,
Glencoe SYHA,

Red Kite? Is that near the Red Squirrel campsite? ;O)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 18 July, 2014, 12:43:46 pm
Red kite campsite, Glencoe

Red Squirrel?

:facepalm:

No idea why I typed that...

 ;D

I thought I'd better make sure you had it right.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 18 July, 2014, 12:44:47 pm
My plan for sleep stops is:

Oban camping and caravan park (about 2.5 miles from the ferry terminal).
Gairloch bunkhouse
Trantlebeg bunkhouse (can maybe camp outside if full)
Red kite campsite, Glencoe

This isn't final, if things don't go to plan it will all change as needed!

Oban SYHA,
Poolewe Hotel (after the SYHA closed),
Trantlebegging for a bed,
Glencoe SYHA,

Red Kite? Is that near the Red Squirrel campsite? ;O)

Seems that it isn't... www.redkitecamping.com

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 18 July, 2014, 02:19:59 pm
Aye, I'm no Welsh speaker but that doesn't look very Scottish. :O)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 18 July, 2014, 02:54:38 pm
CTC Ayrshire have very kindly replied to my enquiry about a place to eat Friday evening:

Hello David..

 The Lauriston is probably the best. We use it all the time but usually for lunch stops. They serve really good meals at reasonable prices.

 There is an outdoor seating area at the front overlooking South Beach with views over to Arran. This area also overlooks an excellent bike parking space with plenty of railings for added security.

 The Lauriston is adjacent to Ardrossan South Beach station where you can get trains heading for Largs, Glasgow, Ayr and further south on the coast.

 The phone number for the Lauriston is 01294 463771. Best to phone ahead and book a table!

 An alternative would be Cecchini's at Ardrossan Clyde Marina. It's a bit more upmarket and tends to be dressier and more expensive! Bikes can be secured to the marina railings and can be seen from many areas within the restaurant. Phone Number is 01294 471700.

 Hope you complete your 820 miles with no mishaps. Enjoy your meal!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 18 July, 2014, 04:19:36 pm
I'll be amazed if either is serving food when _I_ get there. I somehow doubt the CTC use those places at 23:37. Anyway:

Warning - weather speculation:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 18 July, 2014, 04:30:07 pm
Met office:

Regional forecast for Highlands & Eilean Siar
[...]
Outlook for Sunday to Tuesday:
Mainly dry with bright and sunny spells and feeling warm or very warm in the sunshine. However, a scattering of showers could develop during the day, perhaps heavy and thundery.

Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days
UK Outlook for Wednesday 23 Jul 2014 to Friday 1 Aug 2014:
There will be a few showers with more general rain and breezy conditions arriving in the northwest of the UK at the start of the period. However, this rain will most likely not reach southern and eastern parts where it will be generally dry with sunny spells. This northwest-southeast split in the weather is expected to continue, with Atlantic frontal systems bringing periods of more prolonged rain at times in the west and northwest, with the best of the drier and sunnier weather in the east and southeast, though here some showers or longer spells or rain are still possible. Temperatures likely to remain warm or very warm, perhaps becoming hot again for a time in the southeast. In the northwest, temperatures will be nearer to average.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 July, 2014, 05:25:15 pm
Apparently the film crew includes the bloke who filmed the climbing sequences in 'Touching the Void'. So there's an opportunity for a 'Brown Girl in the Ring' earworm segment.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 18 July, 2014, 07:07:30 pm
Have a great ride everyone! You'll be going through some fantastic countryside  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Deano on 18 July, 2014, 08:20:37 pm
OTG report:

Warm but not unpleasant on Arran.

There's a howling easterly today (Friday) which is at least keeping the midges down.

The Sandwich Station opposite Lochranza ferry terminal does drinkable coffee and takeaway food (excellent soup). Pop in if you have time as there's nowt on the ferry.

Good luck, everyone.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 18 July, 2014, 09:12:51 pm
First attempt at rear bag pack (forgot to do up the internal strap, so I am dangling a little) - just over 3Kg with all my clothing and most of the spares and toiletries etc. I will carry and includes over 200g of lock in the top pocket.
:

Hmmm - ~12Kg. I'm not really grokking this concept, am I ;D

I'll be the one at the back going "Toss that... Whiz it... You're outta here..."

See y'all anon.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 18 July, 2014, 09:51:00 pm
Just drank some pond water.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 18 July, 2014, 09:56:43 pm
CTC Ayrshire have very kindly replied to my enquiry about a place to eat Friday evening:
...

should we plan to meet at one of these places for sunday night dinner?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 18 July, 2014, 10:37:56 pm
This is the forecast that I'd be more worried about: http://midgeforecast.co.uk/about-the-forecast/forecast-sites/gairloch/
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 19 July, 2014, 07:54:48 am
Arrrggggh....mass panic at the station, as I couldn't find the booking.

Phew, found.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 19 July, 2014, 07:56:00 am
Just drank some pond water.

Are you still with us Simon?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 19 July, 2014, 08:04:52 am
CTC Ayrshire have very kindly replied to my enquiry about a place to eat Friday evening:
...

should we plan to meet at one of these places for sunday night dinner?

I would be up for some dinner and pre event hydration. The salt cot that tyddles linked to earlier could work? Weatherspoons, so usually dependable and good value for food etc.

I am rooming with Swiss hat in ardrossan on Sunday, I do have to do a short interview with the film crew around 6:30, so certainly should be around for a bit of food by 7:30?

Would that work for people staying in ardrossan/Saltcoats on Sunday night?

Apparently the film crew includes the bloke who filmed the climbing sequences in 'Touching the Void'.

For the avoidance of doubt, I would have no qualms about cutting the rope should the situation arise on this ride. ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: andyoxon on 19 July, 2014, 08:53:10 am
Have a great time all. 

Double helpings of skin-so-soft... (http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/bumper-year-in-store-for-scottish-midges-1-3343243)

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 19 July, 2014, 09:04:37 am
I have a headnet and a bottle of skin so soft.

However, nothing should I get bitten and itchy.

Do those little clicky things work? They seem to work by giving you a little electric shock?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 July, 2014, 09:17:02 am
Have a great ride everybody.

If its fine weather, it'll be the most beautiful place in the world.

If its not it'll be E-E-P-P-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-C-C!

Win-win situation
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 19 July, 2014, 10:20:15 am
Do those little clicky things work? They seem to work by giving you a little electric shock?

Yes.

Very effective.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 19 July, 2014, 10:22:23 am
I have a headnet and a bottle of skin so soft.

However, nothing should I get bitten and itchy.

Do those little clicky things work? They seem to work by giving you a little electric shock?

Just run an extra lead out of your hub ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 19 July, 2014, 05:16:17 pm
Nearly there. Bottles and flapjack in tri bag and I'll be done.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p86/Dave_Crampton/20140719_170932_zpsdycftvfi.jpg) (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/Dave_Crampton/media/20140719_170932_zpsdycftvfi.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feline on 19 July, 2014, 06:31:41 pm
Just drank some pond water.

Are you still with us Simon?

Yes he is, and I drank some too  ;D
He's on the train to Glasgow currently.
I can't see how he's going to cart all that kit round Scotland myself, but best of luck to all of you  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 19 July, 2014, 06:47:19 pm
^ well I know who to hang out with if taps become scarce! 

Quick 30km around Richmond Park to scare some folks on much lighter setups than mine. 

I am ready:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3877/14505775487_8faa55760a_c.jpg)

I will NOT lose my shoes this ride.....

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5581/14505775427_86dff8799a_c.jpg)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 19 July, 2014, 06:47:49 pm
Nearly there. Bottles and flapjack in tri bag and I'll be done.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p86/Dave_Crampton/20140719_170932_zpsdycftvfi.jpg) (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/Dave_Crampton/media/20140719_170932_zpsdycftvfi.jpg.html)

Blimey - that looks like a slimming down from 8Kg and 2 panniers! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 19 July, 2014, 11:49:23 pm
Hmm forgot the red Alpkit 8ltr drybag on the rear too. Its 23.5kg including the bike. Thats scary. I judt unpscked the red alokit bag and repscked everything back in. Things I could leave out like sleeping bag 0.8kg, bivi 0.7kg, flip flops 0.2kg and non cycling ronhils for shuffling round in, instead of shorts, also 0.2kg. Thats only 1.9kg loss ans to be honest at 110kg total including me, a less that 2% saving is neither here nor there. Will reasses tomorow after a test ride but I think I finally have nearly bloody everything! :0 (
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 19 July, 2014, 11:51:44 pm
My combined weight is 97kg. I'm a lot heavier in myself than usual this year.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 20 July, 2014, 10:37:17 am
Have a good ride and a great adventure  m'dears. :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 20 July, 2014, 01:54:46 pm
Hmm combined weight of 110kg. (I'm 86kg and bike ~13kg). Need to rationalise tonight!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 20 July, 2014, 05:34:55 pm
In Shore Lodge. Bouncing...
Just off back to Brodick to sample the beersfood & find an all-night ceilidh ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 20 July, 2014, 05:38:05 pm
A number of us will aim for the salt cot, Saltcoats, for around 7-7:30 if anyone wants to join for dinner.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 20 July, 2014, 06:26:33 pm
A number of us will aim for the salt cot, Saltcoats, for around 7-7:30 if anyone wants to join for dinner.

Have just been to the Salt Cot (Weatherspoonns) in Saltcoates - unfortunately they've run out of ale on draught (bottles or lager only). There's no place to leave bikes that is in view and our B&B host warned us bikes get regularly nicked in Ssltcoates.

Will head to The Lauriston Hitel on the sea front in Ardrossen, if anyone wants to join.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 20 July, 2014, 06:40:35 pm

Have just been to the Salt Cot (Weatherspoonns) in Saltcoates - unfortunately they've run out of ale on draught (bottles or lager only)...

Not in any way related to the length of time you have been there?

 :P

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Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 July, 2014, 07:07:34 pm
CTC Ayrshire have very kindly replied to my enquiry about a place to eat Friday evening:
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should we plan to meet at one of these places for sunday night dinner?

I would be up for some dinner and pre event hydration. The salt cot that tyddles linked to earlier could work? Weatherspoons, so usually dependable and good value for food etc.

I am rooming with Swiss hat in ardrossan on Sunday, I do have to do a short interview with the film crew around 6:30, so certainly should be around for a bit of food by 7:30?

Would that work for people staying in ardrossan/Saltcoats on Sunday night?

Apparently the film crew includes the bloke who filmed the climbing sequences in 'Touching the Void'.

For the avoidance of doubt, I would have no qualms about cutting the rope should the situation arise on this ride. ;)

So where are you ll now?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 July, 2014, 07:16:01 pm
I recommend 'Motherland Spice' in Saltcoats if anybody is after curry
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 20 July, 2014, 07:31:44 pm
Hmm, 0820 or 0945 sailing for Ardrossan tomorrow?

0820 seems earlier than could be considered reasonable. 0945 could be a bit tight if there’s any delay.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 20 July, 2014, 07:35:31 pm
This is the view of Arran right now.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3926/14514587660_424ee217b1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/o7B4eo)The night before. (https://flic.kr/p/o7B4eo) by SimonP2006 (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 20 July, 2014, 08:06:29 pm
Waves...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Flatlander on 20 July, 2014, 08:32:35 pm
Good luck all - I was going to join you but a cyclist trying some reckless overtaking on a 40mph descent in France a month ago says no. I did manage a 1 handed 20 minute go on the turbo this afternoon so I reckon I could manage the ferry crossings!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 20 July, 2014, 09:29:25 pm
 :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Millepete on 21 July, 2014, 01:03:43 pm
Good luck to all the riders especially SR Steve who did a new PB of over 400 miles in this weekend's Mersey Roads 24 Hr TT
As he also did the MC1K recently, he's certainly clocking up plenty of miles this year.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 21 July, 2014, 01:22:21 pm
Good luck everyone.

I see that BBC Scotland's Adventure Show have given the event a mention on their facebook page.  It looks as though you will all be TV stars. 

https://www.facebook.com/adventureshow?fref=ts
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2014, 08:45:30 pm
It looks like being on a par with the Mile Failte for weather. It should look sensational.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 21 July, 2014, 11:14:52 pm
Who stupidly got a bit burnt today?

Stupid short assos shorts.

What a day though. Roller coaster.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 July, 2014, 08:25:33 am
Looks like it's going to be another warm day today.

Selected riders are being tracked, it seems that a couple made the last ferry to Mull yesterday. Zig-Zag probably.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 July, 2014, 09:01:16 am
I hope everyone knows that Ullapool is a fair-sized place, with a Tesco 8am to 9pm, etc. It's easy to skirt without seeing the facilities.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 July, 2014, 03:15:06 pm
Somebody should ride the Drumbeg Road. It would be a pity to have the benefit of those film crews and not ride the most scenic route in Britain. It's a bit further, and there's more climbing, but think of the Kudos.
http://www.strava.com/activities/89572927

Specifically this point.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@58.177115,-5.274097,3a,40.6y,130.87h,84.69t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scBtSrED80gbg6OBxRAuk1g!2e0?hl=en

(http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a087.jpg)

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 July, 2014, 04:59:23 pm
The best view on the alternative to the Drumbeg Road is on the hairpins overlooking Quinag, nice enough, but Moine, and lacking in interesting vegetation.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@58.216388,-4.998056,3a,51.7y,273.35h,88.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sOKFS6bNfk1URQIK4E5sjSg!2e0?hl=en
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Somnolent on 22 July, 2014, 05:35:19 pm
, it seems that a couple made the last ferry to Mull yesterday.

If the start was at 11:15 as advertised and the ferries ran to timetable, I make that 37 kph average for 5 hours straight. :o
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 22 July, 2014, 07:00:13 pm
Could be. I wonder who that might be..... :demon:

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Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Manotea on 23 July, 2014, 09:15:42 pm
Where is everybody?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 July, 2014, 09:28:39 pm
Where is everybody?
I'm here, they're there.

More to the point, whom has stolen all the clouds?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feline on 24 July, 2014, 12:06:04 am
I know Simon was at Durness (710km) at 10pm watching the sunset. He was going to the pub then finding somewhere to pitch his tent :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 July, 2014, 12:34:44 am
Where is everybody?

They're spread out over some of the spectacularly scenic roads in the world, in perfect weather conditions, being filmed by four separate crews for a documentary, and you think they care about telling you what they're doing?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Manotea on 24 July, 2014, 12:57:03 am
Where is everybody?

They're spread out over some of the spectacularly scenic roads in the world, in perfect weather conditions, being filmed by four separate crews for a documentary, and you think they care about telling you what they're doing?

Obvs! They must be 'off the grid'. Lucky them!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 July, 2014, 09:37:53 am
We see the occasional facebook post when they are in range of a 3G mast, which is not often. But the desire to document your own ride is going to be suppressed by film crews.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 July, 2014, 11:01:37 am
There's a mobile phone mast up by the Crask Inn, which is as near to the middle of nowhere as you can get on British roads.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 24 July, 2014, 06:27:53 pm
Finished at durness. Basically didn't have enough food for 200k to lairg- only a two pack of small pies, and was sick of the heat and being a sweaty mess all the time.
If it wasn't for that I probably would have pushed on cos I wasn't tired which was annoying cos they didn't have any space left in the main hotel only the bunk house with the snorers. Matt C and Simon were with me at durness, Simon was going to press on and Matt got a bed as well but unlike me had intentions of getting up at small hours and pushing on, and when I got up to have breakfast in mackays all traces of him had gone so he must have.
When I got woke up by the snorers I did consider carrying on but I didn't have enough food and didn't want to bonk in the middle of nowhere so eventually just managed to sleep.
Not just saying this cos I'm out but not sure audax pace does the scenery on this ride justice...
All the best to those still out there.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 July, 2014, 06:59:58 pm
There are two shops in Tongue, a cafe and a hotel doing food, then there's Bettyhill.

If you're in Durness, why not visit the John Lennon Memorial Garden.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: billplumtree on 24 July, 2014, 07:56:41 pm
Not just saying this cos I'm out but not sure audax pace does the scenery on this ride justice...

Commiserations, Ben.  I'd urge you to go back and do it again in your own time.  I missed out on the Portmahomack 400 - similar route round the N coast - a couple of years ago through illness.  I went instead later on in the same year and took nearly a fortnight over it instead of 26 hours, and had one of my most memorable rides ever.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 24 July, 2014, 09:09:52 pm
There's a mobile phone mast up by the Crask Inn, which is as near to the middle of nowhere as you can get on British roads.
Speaking of which, The Crask Inn is up for sale, not sure if it's open - there wasn't much sign of life, but there again, there never is.

I saw a young golden eagle along the side of Loch Naver. Not sure if MattC saw it.
Sorry to hear you packed Ben, the heat claimed a number of scalps.

Potential performance of the week goes to young Mr. P. Richards. He won't .get gold medal for finishing 1st. But he :deserves one, for this is his 1st Audax  :o

Same again next year? Prob not, the turn-out was quite poor, and a lot of time was spent answering questions for the no-shows.
 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 24 July, 2014, 10:05:17 pm
There are two shops in Tongue, a cafe and a hotel doing food, then there's Bettyhill.

If you're in Durness, why not visit the John Lennon Memorial Garden.
...that would have been open at 1a.m.? :-\
I figured if durness was struggling at 10 pm then tongue and bettyhill which are smaller (I think?) certainly would have been at 1am.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 24 July, 2014, 10:10:15 pm
Speaking of which, The Crask Inn is up for sale

 :o
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 24 July, 2014, 10:12:43 pm
I missed out on the Portmahomack 400 - similar route round the N coast - a couple of years ago through illness.

That was quite an interesting ride, shame you missed it  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 24 July, 2014, 10:13:45 pm
Bad luck, Ben.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 24 July, 2014, 10:16:52 pm
Quote from: Exit Stage Left 7
There's a mobile phone mast up by the Crask Inn, which is as near to the middle of nowhere as you can get on British roads.
Speaking of which, The Crask Inn is up for sale, not sure if it's open - there wasn't much sign of life, but there again, there never is.

I saw a young golden eagle along the side of Loch Naver. Not sure if MattC saw it.
Sorry to hear you packed Ben, the heat claimed a number of scalps.

Potential performance of the week goes to young Mr. P. Richards. He won't .get gold medal for finishing 1st. But he :deserves one, for this is his 1st Audax  :o

Same again next year? Prob not, the turn-out was quite poor, and a lot of time was spent answering questions for the no-shows.
Yeah,I think if it hadn't been for the heat and the prospect of two more days of no change then I probably would have been  compus mentes/ inclined enough to solve the food challenge before it was too late. The crask inn definitely is a bit dead I agree, the overscaig is better, had lunch there today it was good.
No doubt it's a great route you've come up with, I'll definitely do the BP some time, hopefully next year.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 24 July, 2014, 10:23:04 pm
I missed out on the Portmahomack 400 - similar route round the N coast - a couple of years ago through illness.

That was quite an interesting ride, shame you missed it  ;D
Yeah , it was good. 400 kind of just tips the scales of being worth going all the way up there, or when he put on a 3 and a 2, but the 4 was better imho.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 24 July, 2014, 10:25:25 pm
I've only ever done a 230, 320, 400 and 500 taking  in Durness and the North coast. I don't think there's ever been anything further than that. So it's very brave to undertake a ride which goes against the grain of the facilities, which is what will make the ride something of a legend.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 24 July, 2014, 11:24:07 pm
I'm sorry to hear that guys making such a fantastic effort should fall victim to the abysmally low standard of facilities for tourists in Scotland, particularly in some of the more scenic parts.  Shops and cafes can be few and far between  and can have early closing (5 or 6 p.m.), lunchtime closing and closing on certain days, even in the short season May to September.  I've experienced it often in bike or car (at least in car it's just depressing).  The "tourist industry" in Scotland doesn't deserve tourists, especially tourists of the quality they're getting (and getting on film) in this event.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feline on 25 July, 2014, 01:25:44 am
Simon is camping tonight at Fort Augustus  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 25 July, 2014, 01:30:09 am
Simon is camping tonight at Fort Augustus  :)

I've always seen Simon as not so much camp, as fastidious.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eck on 25 July, 2014, 08:21:30 am
I've only ever done a 230, 320, 400 and 500 taking  in Durness and the North coast. I don't think there's ever been anything further than that. So it's very brave to undertake a ride which goes against the grain of the facilities, which is what will make the ride something of a legend.
The Eightsome Reel 1500 perm takes in Durness and the North coast. It also takes in the Mull of Galloway and Berwick-upon-Tweed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Wal on 25 July, 2014, 08:57:21 am
I'm sorry to hear that guys making such a fantastic effort should fall victim to the abysmally low standard of facilities for tourists in Scotland, particularly in some of the more scenic parts.  Shops and cafes can be few and far between  and can have early closing (5 or 6 p.m.), lunchtime closing and closing on certain days, even in the short season May to September.  I've experienced it often in bike or car (at least in car it's just depressing).  The "tourist industry" in Scotland doesn't deserve tourists, especially tourists of the quality they're getting (and getting on film) in this event.

I have to say, its a pity that you  feel that "guys making such a fantastic effort should fall victim to the abysmally low standard of facilities for tourists in Scotland, particularly in some of the more scenic parts." I have toured by bicycle extensively all over Scotland, and walked all over the hills and glens with my Father in my younger days wild-fishing...  Our trips were successful, due to packing enough equipment for the trip and planning ahead. Yes, I agree facilities could be better in the parts of rural Scotland, however, the flow of tourists does not warrant the investment. Most people travel to these destinations to be surrounded by mountains and rivers, the sea and the wildlife, not cafe stops and Mc D's... The point is that, if people are dropping out due to problems with supplies, maybe the problem started with their own personal planning or the event organisers planning. In my experience of the remote villages in the highlands, if the organisers had approached these communities, I am sure they would have opened up the community hall for the events and laid on a spread... just saying...

I find your comment, such as " The "tourist industry" in Scotland doesn't deserve tourists, especially tourists of the quality they're getting (and getting on film) in this event." a wee bit crass and biased.

Best wishes with future planning when visiting the remote regions of Scotland. I am sure they will be having a wonderful time...

Wallace.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 25 July, 2014, 09:04:48 am
I've ridden a 200 of Ullapool, Lairg, Durness, Tongue. No shortage of facilities on that ride, although they were spread out.  I started in the morning, I doubt any of them would have been open if I started at 6pm, but that would have been silly.  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 25 July, 2014, 09:08:50 am
Wallace - I got the impression grampa may have been being ever so slightly sarcastic...personally I think the tourist facilities in north Scotland are excellent for how remote it is, and for me it was absolutely all down to my own poor planning and not the lack of facilities' fault... if anything it was an excuse, like I say if I'd been really inclined I could have made more effort to solve the problem but it had become hardly anything to do with "can I do this" and all about "do I want to".
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Wal on 25 July, 2014, 09:24:06 am
Wallace - I got the impression grampa may have been being ever so slightly sarcastic...personally I think the tourist facilities in north Scotland are excellent for how remote it is, and for me it was absolutely all down to my own poor planning and not the lack of facilities' fault... if anything it was an excuse, like I say if I'd been really inclined I could have made more effort to solve the problem but it had become hardly anything to do with "can I do this" and all about "do I want to".

Yes, I may have spat my cornflakes out this morning...  ;D

Sorry to hear about your DNF... but an excellent attempt at audax speeds... However, a point you made earlier, about audax speed and the route... Audax is audax and that is the rules I suppose... However, I would highly recommend to anyone to clamp on panniers to a touring cycle and tour these areas at a nice slow speed, taking it all in, it really is fantastic...!

W.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 25 July, 2014, 10:10:07 am
I'm sorry to hear that guys making such a fantastic effort should fall victim to the abysmally low standard of facilities for tourists in Scotland, particularly in some of the more scenic parts.  Shops and cafes can be few and far between  and can have early closing (5 or 6 p.m.), lunchtime closing and closing on certain days, even in the short season May to September.  I've experienced it often in bike or car (at least in car it's just depressing).  The "tourist industry" in Scotland doesn't deserve tourists, especially tourists of the quality they're getting (and getting on film) in this event.



I find your comment, such as " The "tourist industry" in Scotland doesn't deserve tourists, especially tourists of the quality they're getting (and getting on film) in this event." a wee bit crass and biased.



Wallace.
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  Perhaps I went O.T.T.  I do understand why things are as they are but I'm aware of how much better they could be.     
I do love the remote and wild places and enjoy having quick access, and I particularly enjoy off road on bike or with rope, where facilities are water from the burns and that's it. But I can't forget the feeling of being cold, wet and tired on a road bike and getting to a cafe at 6.00 p.m. in July and thinking "It's ... July!  Why's it ...closed?!" 
It would be great if there could be a string of 'auberges' where travellers could rest and get basic sustenance and even a shower.  SYHA places used to provide something like that (I was warden at a remote one, now closed, long ago) but they are sadly depleted in number.
I'm pleased, however, that Ben and others are happy with their experience of the facilities. The freak heat just now is a shame - heat is not normally one of the things you prepare against in the north of Scotland. I'm surprised that anybody is still going!  Making it all the way up the west in that is some achievement.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 25 July, 2014, 10:13:41 am
I've been going to the North West Highland since 1982, when I led some Conservation Volunteer tasks at Achmelvich and Clachtoll, and on Handa Island. That was in weather like this week, and I've returned to varying conditions ever since.
Enthusiasts for the area will have been torn in thinking about this ride, the conditions are great for actually doing it, but the imagination will have run riot with all the other things you could have done. It's such a privilege to see that landscape in full sun, that it seems somehow wasteful to dash through it.
I console myself with the thought of the resultant film. I've been editing up our Mile Failte footage, which has much in common. We spent a lot of time looking at the Cork and Kerry mountains and itching to see what it was like on the tops. The Mile Failte had more structure, so that longing wasn't as intense, there was a welcome at the end of each day to drag you on.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Arry-R on 25 July, 2014, 10:15:51 am
i know that you had 50 entries so expect you had 30-35 starters?  how many have finished so far
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: HK on 25 July, 2014, 10:25:40 am
Agree with Exit Stage Left.  The pull to stop on the MF was very great. No just wonderful scenery to explore, look at and photograph but tea rooms and food emporius that you really needed a spare hour or so to really enjoy.

I did the top half of Hummers Lump End to End. At 250km a day we didnt have the time to really enjoy what we were passing through which was tremendous. I managed to grab photos but lots weren't taken. The highlands what ever the weather is supremely photogenic.

I'm planning to return to both Ireland and Scotland at a pace to enjoy. To do the MF full credit it gave you the most wonderful taster session of what Ireland has to offer the touring cyclist because of its excellent ride structure. HK
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 25 July, 2014, 10:48:41 am

Enthusiasts for the area
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Could be worth talking to Hands On Events about Ullapool Mor (inc. Drumbeg) on 20/09
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Gaddi on 25 July, 2014, 09:40:28 pm
Well done and good luck for the remaining miles to those still out there.
Just ordered a new frame to replace my wrinkly tourer, and this ride will go on my 'to-tour-list', me thinks  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 25 July, 2014, 10:55:35 pm
Bonkers and beyond comparison.

A hard ride that will take a few days just to process in my head.

Completely different, very exciting and delivered everything I expected by the boatload. And something I didn't - that heat. Wow.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Reg.T on 25 July, 2014, 11:30:14 pm
Well done Marcus. Quite a synopsis - look forward to reading the full report.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 26 July, 2014, 12:10:18 am
i know that you had 50 entries so expect you had 30-35 starters?  how many have finished so far

180
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 26 July, 2014, 01:09:54 am
Is "The Hell of The North" taken?

There were more DNS than started, IIRC. 78 entries, 45 DNS, is that correct?

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 26 July, 2014, 04:22:30 am
Bonkers and beyond comparison.

A hard ride that will take a few days just to process in my head.

Completely different, very exciting and delivered everything I expected by the boatload. And something I didn't - that heat. Wow.

Well done Marcus (and other finishers).  :thumbsup:

I only thought of you all and wished I was with you on the ride four times every day. :'(

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 26 July, 2014, 07:36:59 am
Hi,

I am sitting here waiting for the reports. I would have been here but for a health issue. Will be out on my bike this morning feeling lucky that I am better and envious that I missed what is sounding like an epic trip.

I WILL see you on the road soon.

BB
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 26 July, 2014, 09:11:38 am
I left my white Metz helmet at the pub by the bikes lastnight. It has head torch and rear fastened to it. Did anyone pick it up please? 07967 137583.

Cheers.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 26 July, 2014, 01:45:58 pm
This was by far one of the most memorable and fantastic rides this year!
The scenery was stunning and the weather was outstanding!
I thought I could have easily been in France or Italy with the heat an sunshine - I wasn't complaining though!
We ride as a 4-man groupetto of me, Swiss Hat, Zigzag and Angstbremser, and had accommodation booked in Oban, Gairloch, the organised Trantlebeg bunkhouse and Glen Coe.
Difficult to get dinner past 21:00; we only managed in Oban after day 1; and only just made last good orders at the Italian in the harbour side. Eating al fresco in Oban, watching the sun set an colours was amazing!
Chapeau to Zigzag for continuing after coming off his bike on a technical descent near Lochinver; we were lucky that the film crew were close by and were able to find a nurse in Lochinver that did as steller job patching up Zigzag. Patch of gravel on a sharp LH bend at the bottom of the hill over a bridge, with walkers in the middle of the road  >:(
Lochinver to Durness was really difficult - just relentless! But so scenic with panoramic views!! Going against the grain of the land along the north coast was salso challenging, to say the least! We made a stop in Tongue and called into The Ben Loyal Hotel about 21:00 for some excellent venison burgers! The 40km to Trantlebeg seemed to take ages to reach, but was a very welcome hot shower there!
I'll write up more later, just on the train back home to London. An epic ride to remember!
Many thanks to Blacksheep for conceiving and organising the event!!!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 26 July, 2014, 04:29:27 pm
what a terrific ride! amazing route, breathtaking scenery, unbelievable weather and superb company. i will write more later, now also sat on a train to euston and will go st.thomas' a&e to get my injuries checked over. luckily i wasn't hurting too much after the crash and could carry on for the remaining 700k's. big thanks to Mark, filming crews and everyone who made this ride such a great experience!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 26 July, 2014, 05:37:19 pm
Made of tough stuff is zigzag.

Everyone who rode it has much to be proud of, especially any riders stepping up to that sort of distance for the first time. SRSteve also deserves a special round of applause for riding over 400 miles in the Mersey roads on Saturday/Sunday and rolling along very well from Monday lunchtime. Clearly the 24 is a good prologue for a tough 1300.

I think this one might take me a few days to recover from. Feet and knees are battered. Will try and take a spin out tomorrow and see how things feel.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 26 July, 2014, 06:46:13 pm
The following was posted on Facebook by the Adventure Show Team;

Can't say a big enough 'thank you' to all the riders and organiser of this week's Highlander Audax. Also our brilliant camera crews, drivers etc. What a week - should be a superb documentary. Such a pleasure to be with you all... Everyone now to bed, I think...

https://www.facebook.com/adventureshow?fref=nf
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Manotea on 26 July, 2014, 07:10:15 pm
Yes it was really hard riding in the heat, and the endless climbing only made it worse, but, yes, there were views to die for.

Hang on, sorry, wrong thread. Have a picture of the view from Boxhill anyway!

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/o9kQBWomtPGweds7Y6Nl-7NYI1Gj2j7DH_UUSybEpoc=w667-h203-p-no)

Chapeau to everybody that started. The heat would have done for me even if the hills didn't!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: swiss hat on 26 July, 2014, 08:36:56 pm
Well I think that was probably the best 5 days cycling I've ever experienced. Wonderful roads through some amazing scenery with great weather. The Gairloch to Trantlebeg day was truly stunning; hardcore at times but all the more memorable for it. Really enjoyed the company on the road and folks met along the way. Thanks for plotting this audacious ride Mark :thumbsup:

   
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 26 July, 2014, 08:47:42 pm
Well done to every one, excellent achievment
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 26 July, 2014, 09:36:01 pm
Just had Feline remove a tick I found on me.  :hand:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Redlight on 26 July, 2014, 09:52:17 pm
Just had Feline remove a tick I found on me.  :hand:

I guess if you're going to get anyone to remove a tick, a vet is the one to ask to do it.  ;)



Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 26 July, 2014, 10:02:36 pm
Is "The Hell of The North" taken?
Yep, by the Winchcombe CC
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 26 July, 2014, 10:04:27 pm
...and will go st.thomas' a&e to get my injuries checked over...

now back home, after few x-rays and clean-up of wounds (while breathing laughing gas :thumbsup:). funny enough, the nurse at st.thomas' was from ullapool, went to school in dingwall and studied in aberdeen! so we had an enjoyable chat about the trip and places we've been to.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MikeH on 26 July, 2014, 10:10:39 pm
Many thanks Mr Sheep.  Most memorable ride ever for me.  Very happy to end up riding for a fair chunk of the ride and finishing with Duncan - the first ones behind Zigzag's four.  So funny that we came the wrong way up the street to the finish, and had Mark gesturing us to stop so the film crew could reposition themselves to witness our arrival!

Really glad I bivvyed out on Rannoch Moor.  Falling asleep watching the stars through the open flap with the midge net in place was just amazing.  Probably my best night sleep of the ride.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 26 July, 2014, 10:23:40 pm
Just had Feline remove a tick I found on me.  :hand:

I guess if you're going to get anyone to remove a tick, a vet is the one to ask to do it.  ;)

Did she manage to save the tick's life?  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 26 July, 2014, 10:31:10 pm
(First?)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/14568936529_d08df0638e_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ocpBfR)Image0273 (https://flic.kr/p/ocpBfR)

About 5am Thrusday, @ 740km. The top bit of Scotland.

(Can anyone name that rather nice mountain  ??? )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 27 July, 2014, 08:21:16 am
Ah, so it is doable as a perm?  :thumbsup:

Well done alll those who made it round and I am secretly glad it wasn't just me who found the section around the north west coast (last year) jolly scenic.  8)

H

 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 July, 2014, 09:37:54 am
Ah, so it is doable as a perm?  :thumbsup:
9
Aye 'tis. And available at BR pace or (probably better) at BP pace. So you can max-outon enjoying not only the scenery during the day, but also the social side during the evenings
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 27 July, 2014, 10:41:57 am
just uploaded the gpx file to strava (http://www.strava.com/activities/171458332); looking at the elevation figure it's not a hilly ride ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 27 July, 2014, 11:05:30 am
Pretty much tallies with mine - 13000 ish metres. 

However, I did not calibrate my Garmin at all (not sure why not, think I had too much other stuff going through my head) - and with the high pressure around, I suspect the figure is a little out.

Yeah, I think it was pretty much a flat ride.  We were mainly under 150 metres, so it really can't have been hilly!

It was a great mix of climbing, from the choppy stuff to the long drags.  Combined with the heat, distance and lack of facilities made for a hilly enough ride!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 27 July, 2014, 11:07:55 am
My GPS said about 15,000m. This is about the same as the BCM. The choppy terrain was much tougher though.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2014, 11:17:09 am
On the "main" roads it was obvious that the engineers were almost always working to the same maximum grade. (I was usually at the same HR, in the same gear, at the same speed on anything longer than 100m!)

Anyone know what this magic number is? (IIRC France went for something like 6%, but don't quote me on that ... )

( Notable exception - the drop into Drumnadochit.  :thumbsup:  )
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Lightkeeper on 27 July, 2014, 11:43:52 am
On the "main" roads it was obvious that the engineers were almost always working to the same maximum grade. (I was usually at the same HR, in the same gear, at the same speed on anything longer than 100m!)
I last rode the stretch from Kylesku to Tongue not long after the bridge opened, in 1984. My memory of it then is a road with many more twists and vicious little ramps. So, yes, I think the engineers have been smoothing it all out. Part of me thinks that's a shame. Other bits have enough to recover from without extra lumpiness!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 27 July, 2014, 11:45:07 am
(First?)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/14568936529_d08df0638e_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ocpBfR)Image0273 (https://flic.kr/p/ocpBfR)

About 5am Thrusday, @ 740km. The top bit of Scotland.

(Can anyone name that rather nice mountain  ??? )

That's a view of Ben Loyal from the causeway at the Kyle of Tongue. There's a view from that exact point and from the climb out of Tongue on this video of the Portmahomach 400 in 2011 at 3mins 37 secs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7oDiNUveE

The maximum grade on French roads is 7% from the late 18th Century onwards.

There's a section in Graham Robb's 'The Discovery of France', about it.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Lightkeeper on 27 July, 2014, 11:50:12 am
Great to put faces to some YACF names on this ride. Special thanks to Ian of Willesden, who I think is on here somewhere. He probably saved my ride, and I didn't say thank you in the rush at Trantlebeg.

I'm glad Scotland put on a good show. Just our average summer weather, really. ;)  I'd love to revisit some or all of the route at more relaxed pace. We passed some good-looking pubs, and I didn't get a Lochinver pie.

Pictures and stuff here:  http://raiding.tumblr.com/tagged/highlands/chrono
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 27 July, 2014, 01:07:39 pm
^ Great stuff there!

(my own write up is progressing)

Just weighed myself - even after a bit of feeding up, I am probably back at a weight I haven't been at since my mid-teens. 

I'm no heavy-weight on a normal day, but dropping to 9 stone is a bit of a shock!

That is a ride that has taken a lot out of me - the lack of food and drink options has caused this I think.

I aim to rectify this by heading to the pub for a Sunday roast as penance for abandoning Cass for the week. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 27 July, 2014, 01:13:45 pm
Lightkeeper, that is one of the finest write ups I have read. Congratulations to all of you.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 27 July, 2014, 01:17:58 pm
Enjoy your Sunday roast! It will not make much difference to your body fat but will supply a goodly mix of nutrients.

If you really want to pile in the calories, go for deep-fried x & syrup like sweet & sour Chinese foods, chips & ketchup, KFC etc, followed by a nice sticky pudding or a chocolatey ice cream...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 27 July, 2014, 01:19:24 pm
+1 to Lightkeeper's brilliant write-up - good to meet you as well.

I was entirely on my own from Dingwall to the finish apart from meeting the two who packed at Ullapool on the road a few times. Yet when I finished at 10 to 9 I was right in the middle of the field. I had visions of everyone having finished hours ahead of me.

I've not lost any weight yet. I am 8kg heavier than I was after LEL 2009. Doesn't seem to have been a problem.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 27 July, 2014, 01:39:10 pm
Great to put faces to some YACF names on this ride. Special thanks to Ian of Willesden, who I think is on here somewhere. He probably saved my ride, and I didn't say thank you in the rush at Trantlebeg.

I'm glad Scotland put on a good show. Just our average summer weather, really. ;)  I'd love to revisit some or all of the route at more relaxed pace. We passed some good-looking pubs, and I didn't get a Lochinver pie.

Pictures and stuff here:  http://raiding.tumblr.com/tagged/highlands/chrono

Fantastic write up and amazed you had the energy left to do it so soon after the ride. Just a point of correction - I wasnt riding behind to make sure you didnt drop out again, I was starting to wobble all over the place and wanted to avoid a crash!

Plus to the several comments about doing much of it again at a more leisurely place.  Thinking back, the hardest bits were where it was hottest. I found Ullapool Lochinver really hard - but an amazing bit of road, the strecth on up to Durness in the evening, not too bad and just as impressive.

A memory that will always stick with me is being either side of Tongue and looking north to what looked like sunrise and sunset at two different places in the sky at the same time.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 27 July, 2014, 04:43:06 pm
^ Great stuff there!

(my own write up is progressing)

Just weighed myself - even after a bit of feeding up, I am probably back at a weight I haven't been at since my mid-teens. 

I'm no heavy-weight on a normal day, but dropping to 9 stone is a bit of a shock!

That is a ride that has taken a lot out of me - the lack of food and drink options has caused this I think.

I aim to rectify this by heading to the pub for a Sunday roast as penance for abandoning Cass for the week.

Well, you could've buttied up for the next N days at Gairloch.

Hmmm...
Stopped for a pint in Glencoe. Set off. Puncture...
Incohol may have been present at the finish. Set off for Dumfries. Puncture...

[glum] I'z not liking this pattern. Could be a dry 300 / 200 [unglum]
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2014, 05:06:15 pm
I left my white Metz helmet at the pub by the bikes lastnight. It has head torch and rear fastened to it. Did anyone pick it up please? 07...

Cheers.
Yup.

Its a lot further from home since you took it off!

Get in touch.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 27 July, 2014, 05:07:49 pm


I'm glad Scotland put on a good show. Just our average summer weather, really. ;)  I'd love to revisit some or all of the route at more relaxed pace. We passed some good-looking pubs, and I didn't get a Lochinver pie.

Pictures and stuff here:  http://raiding.tumblr.com/tagged/highlands/chrono

Great write up Ken and very well done---your Lightkeeper write ups are poetry on motion---brilliant and superb photos too  :thumbsup: Brings back (old) memories of when I`ve been up cycling in the NW Highlands---and curiously in rather similar weather also---sunnny and baking hot
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2014, 06:03:54 pm
It is a good writeup. You summarise the big strategic problem ( that I discovered the hard way )here:

Quote

In the planning, it seemed like a good idea. If I did a 40-hour 600 km inside the 1300 km ride, I could use the Trantlebeg hostel - the only 24-hour dedicated control - for a few hours sleep between days three and four, and turn the other three days into (comparatively) easy days of c. 240 km,
At Durness I realised that 600 was going to take more like 45h*. So, like Ben, I gave up and slept at Durness I.e.500k and about 39 hours in.
Now this wasn't a total disaster, but it made for a long Day4- 370k and 24h- and it was a shame to not use the official sleep-stop. And mentally it was a big blow to feel that I was a whole 100km behind schedule.
If Trantle had been 50k earlier I would have found this a lot easier.Hindsight eh? !


*cos it was hot, hilly,included 3 ferries, and a final 100k without facilities. And I'm slow and gutless.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 27 July, 2014, 06:21:27 pm
A few thoughts here:

http://wp.me/pcAfK-tU

Just to add, as I rudely didn't do this earlier, a massive, massive thanks to BlackSheep for organising this special adventure.  It was something so different and brave to organise.  A ride like this is only ever going to appeal to a small proportion of even experienced AUKs.  It isn't like most of the spoon-fed big events with lots of TLC (not that there's anything wrong with those), but required true application of the famed self-sufficiency ethos. 

This event will probably make more space in my memories than pretty much everything else I have done so far.  It was very challenging, but was nothing but enjoyment as we experienced some of the best scenery in the UK, if not the world.  Magnificent!

I hope to see more events of this nature, that will appeal to the adventurous.  I'd love to see even crazier things - no routesheet, maybe even only get given the controls 24 hours in advance etc.

Stay audacious!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Phil W on 27 July, 2014, 07:05:48 pm
Great write ups there, sounds like an amazing ride to have undertaken.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 27 July, 2014, 07:38:15 pm
Enjoy your Sunday roast! It will not make much difference to your body fat but will supply a goodly mix of nutrients.

If you really want to pile in the calories, go for deep-fried x & syrup like sweet & sour Chinese foods, chips & ketchup, KFC etc, followed by a nice sticky pudding or a chocolatey ice cream...
of a few nice tempura mars bars. ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 27 July, 2014, 07:56:40 pm
And I'm slow and gutless.
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Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 27 July, 2014, 09:09:42 pm
Back on Dutch soil and on my feet.

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww197/WalterGodefroot/Fiets/IMG_0361_zps7076def5.jpg)

Thank you Mark for organising this Epic Adventure. Nice meeting you all! Had a great time.

Sadly Richard DNF, but he 's still enjoying a holiday with his wife in Scotland. Perhaps he 'll have another chance another time.

Arrived in Adrossan at 22:00 h. Just before the ferry at Dunoon I was passed by a Swedish train. :P
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 July, 2014, 10:08:30 pm
A few thoughts here:

This event will probably make more space in my memories than pretty much everything else I have done so far.  It was very challenging, but was nothing but enjoyment as we experienced some of the best scenery in the UK, if not the world.  Magnificent!

I hope to see more events of this nature, that will appeal to the adventurous.  I'd love to see even crazier things - no routesheet, maybe even only get given the controls 24 hours in advance etc.

Stay audacious!

Well it's funny you should mention that Marcus  :thumbsup: , SimonP and I thought-up something at arrivee that fit's the bill perfectly   :demon:

The event in this form is to be a one-off, for many reasons, But it is available as a BP and BR perm. To all intents and purposes, the event was a group perm.

Probably the best reason is in respect to all those audacious and imaginative enough to put their faith in me, The cyclists, Simon from BBC Scotland, Maggie from Triple Echo, and the four film crews. They shared something very special.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 27 July, 2014, 10:39:16 pm

Well it's funny you should mention that Marcus  :thumbsup: , SimonP and I thought-up something at arrivee that fit's the bill perfectly   :demon:

The event in this form is to be a one-off, for many reasons,
Oh chr**t, is there going to be a different one every year??

Sod that, I'd rather do Pbp again  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 July, 2014, 11:28:04 pm
Sod that, I'd rather do Pbp again  ;D

Well it's funny you should mention that Matt :thumbsup: , I think that's running next year   :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Chris S on 27 July, 2014, 11:37:02 pm
How many of the starters finished in time?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 July, 2014, 09:59:50 am
How many of the starters finished in time?

25 subject to usual validation procedures.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 July, 2014, 10:20:15 am
That's pretty good - about 2/3rds? 

With slightly cooler temperatures, I think that could have been quite a bit higher.  Everyone that was at the start looked well-prepared for the challenge and were equipped to deal with the deprivations of the ride well.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 28 July, 2014, 10:39:50 am
Lightkeeper's blog is a very good read with very pretty pictures. Congratulations to all and thanks to him for writing that.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 28 July, 2014, 10:59:34 am
It was interesting to follow the front groups on both the Pendle and the Mile Failte. This ride could have gone the way of the Pendle very easily. I did a ride called 'Hudson's Choice' in 2004, where a strong wind came out of the North West at 5 degrees C in mid-June, carrying a stunning amount of rain. Half the field packed at the first control, which was near Laxford Bridge.

The Mile Failte was very like this ride in topography, but organised like the Mille Cymru seems to be. The front group were able to make good time, and to have good sleep stops at the hotel and Youth Hostel controls. The obvious way to control the depredations of a ride in the West and North of Scotland is to throw money at the problem. If you know your own capabilities, and those of companions, you can treat it as a fast tour, akin to a motorcycle or motoring holiday. You can then book hotels at 300 to 320 km intervals, and ask for a continental breakfast for a 5 am start.

There is a strong 'adventure' thread to the narrative, and this was the major component of this ride. But the student of economics and management in me has a cost counter clicking away in the corner of the screen. That cost would be pretty similar in a lot of rides, The National 400 was £30, and you could have done it for that. This sort of bare-bones ride can be very cheap, or very expensive. It would be interesting to see the range of personal expenditures.

It may seem a very reductive way at looking at these rides, but it will determine the direction AUK takes, especially with the publicity from the film, which might have a life outside Scotland, if it looks as good as I suspect it will.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: teethgrinder on 28 July, 2014, 11:19:38 am
but it will determine the direction AUK takes

Does AUK have to go in just one direction?
I like the idea of events at all levels, from solo DIY perms to full on commercially run events, which is where LEL looks to be heading and all that lies inbetween.
AUK already does operate on different scales. It tried going the "more events on the calendar" route, which is where X rated evets came from. The idea was to get more riders but what happened was the same riders spread out more thinly. LEL is some evidence that the big events are what pulls in the punters, so I know where I'd focus the efforts of AUK for further growth.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: rabbit on 28 July, 2014, 11:24:29 am
but it will determine the direction AUK takes

Does AUK have to go in just one direction?
I like the idea of events at all levels, from solo DIY perms to full on commercially run events, which is where LEL looks to be heading and all that lies inbetween.

^ what he says.  Conker that. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 July, 2014, 11:30:03 am
Totally agree with TG.  This is not a fork in the road where AUK needs to decide one path or the other.

The mechanisms are there for organisers and riders to put on events (be they calendar events or group DIYs etc.) that can range from the full-service to the bare bones. 

Events like this will only ever appeal to a smallish sub-set of what is already the minority of members of AUK (those riding even 200km events are in the minority, let alone those riding 1000km+ events).  But, I hope that those of us who like a bit of adventure and journeys into the unknown, can create rides that inspire like-minded individuals to give them a go. 

I am not in any way anti the big TLC events (I loved LEL and had a ball.  I am not one of those that eschewed bag-drops and slept in ditches because it was more in-line with the spirit of audax), but I think riding an event like this (and in many ways, the french 600 in the mountains I did) make me a better randonneur for the future.  I learnt a lot on this ride, some of it from other more experienced riders, and some of it by figuring it out myself.  All of it can be applied to future rides and will expand my horizons as to what might be possible in the future.

As I said, I hope to see even crazier events in the future - "turn up at location X at time Y, book 5 days off work and don't forget your passport"

But I do agree with TG that events like the National and LEL are where the numbers could grow and that must be AUK's focus; but there will always be a small number of riders who want to fly closer to the sun. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 28 July, 2014, 12:10:41 pm
Fly closer to the sun? I got burnt through my jersey!

Back at work today. Must write it up before I forget it all.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: caerau on 28 July, 2014, 12:26:13 pm
Well done all, just really enjoyed reading your reports and looking at all the stunning photos.  :thumbsup:  Been nearly 20 years since I saw the Scottish Highlands properly- *jealous* - never done it on a bike, just the car.


I must find an excuse to visit Scotland* and get onto one of the Scots audaxes.  I shall keep a look out for that TV programme though no doubt it will get flagged up here when it's due out.










*It's no like my entire family (well cousins, uncles, aunts etc - we moved down Sarf) live there or anything  ::-)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 28 July, 2014, 12:35:19 pm
It was interesting to follow the front groups on both the Pendle and the Mile Failte. This ride could have gone the way of the Pendle very easily. I did a ride called 'Hudson's Choice' in 2004, where a strong wind came out of the North West at 5 degrees C in mid-June, carrying a stunning amount of rain. Half the field packed at the first control, which was near Laxford Bridge.

The Mile Failte was very like this ride in topography, but organised like the Mille Cymru seems to be. The front group were able to make good time, and to have good sleep stops at the hotel and Youth Hostel controls. The obvious way to control the depredations of a ride in the West and North of Scotland is to throw money at the problem. If you know your own capabilities, and those of companions, you can treat it as a fast tour, akin to a motorcycle or motoring holiday. You can then book hotels at 300 to 320 km intervals, and ask for a continental breakfast for a 5 am start.

There is a strong 'adventure' thread to the narrative, and this was the major component of this ride. But the student of economics and management in me has a cost counter clicking away in the corner of the screen. That cost would be pretty similar in a lot of rides, The National 400 was £30, and you could have done it for that. This sort of bare-bones ride can be very cheap, or very expensive. It would be interesting to see the range of personal expenditures.

It may seem a very reductive way at looking at these rides, but it will determine the direction AUK takes, especially with the publicity from the film, which might have a life outside Scotland, if it looks as good as I suspect it will.

Interesting comments about money, I certainly got thinking on the ride - and more so on the way back, how much audax is actually quite a lot about money. Not just cash, but also holidays - to do that distance as a tour might require at least half most people's annual leave, to cover the same ground at AUK pace requires a quarter.

i spend quite a lot as I like my luxuries and cringe at some of the nickel-and-dime'ing that goes on but that's just me!



interesting idea marcus about not being told anything about the route. But what's the advantage apart from not being able to plan? Could just say mandatory bivvying... You could say it's a journey into the unknown but for me anyway that would sort of pretty much mean it has to stick to essex, kent and sussex...!
What about cryptic infos, the answer to which gives the location of the next control? ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 28 July, 2014, 12:55:18 pm
I spent £23 on accommodation during the ride (my share of bunkhouse at Gairloch). Train to/from Scotland was £184. I spent a fair bit on new kit for this ride, but I will use it again. I had the advantage of being able to stay at my mum's only about 10km from the Adrossan ferry terminal. Ferry tickets totaled around £30.

I owe two campsites some money, as they had no way to pay at 2am. £8 in one case, I'm not sure about the other.

Food bill was probably around £100, maybe £150.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 July, 2014, 01:01:08 pm
Around £100 on accommodation

£44 on trains

Probably £150 on food

Sure, £300 is a chunk of money.  But those memories will be worth it.  It was one of the best weeks on a bike I have ever enjoyed. 

LEL was about £200 for the duration?  Many will have required a hotel at the beginning and end, and travel to London - so I expect a little more expensive for the week.  And as for PBP - that's an expensive endeavor indeed. 

But, as ever, AUK has you covered if budgets are tight - a DIY entry costs about ?£3?, and you can carry some butties etc. made at home to do rides for very little.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 July, 2014, 01:10:40 pm
interesting idea marcus about not being told anything about the route. But what's the advantage apart from not being able to plan?

No advantages really - just a bit of audacity. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: HK on 28 July, 2014, 01:43:51 pm
NB  An LRM brevet does have to fit in within LRM rules; it's questionable on this event. 

If a small group of AUK riders want adventure type rides rather than standard BP, ACP or LRM brevets, a new format is going to need to be developed, adopted and a move away from the points culture embraced.  ACP have already done this which a whole host of rides including the newly created Super Brevet 600.

There are already two major perms on the AUK list - Calais Brendisi and Trafalgar Trafalgar that are challenging and can be ridden at any time as a group.  There are also available via ACP the Fleches and Diagonals, which can be ridden at a very challenging pace if riders which, again by small groups or individuals.  It is not entirely necessary for AUK to reinvent the wheel given the host of rides that already exist within easy reach in Europe.  We did have the Great Triangle in the UK, which should be put back on the books.

It should also be noted that ACP or LRM brevets don't require the type of self sufficiency that this ride insisted on.  ACP rides up to 1000km do use commercial controls only, but like the recent St Germain 1000km, the org plans the route so that riders are sleeping during a heavy chunk of the hours of darkness when food and water are not available.  HK
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 July, 2014, 01:55:46 pm
ACP have already done this which a whole host of rides including the newly created Super Brevet 600.

Tell me more - what are they? 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 28 July, 2014, 04:46:47 pm
This was my first ride over 600 and only the second only 400. It was the completetion of my second SR, my first was last year. I really enjoyed it, despite what I may have said at the time I met various riders. I learned loads from this ride, including things like I can ride faster harder and stronger than I thought, I'm not always last (something which goes through my mind if I find myself alone), I can survive on much less sleep than I'd imagined and what I need and can get away with not taking. I really enjoyed the ride, the scenary, the hills, and you riders. I made a few good new friends I know I could depend on and who I now care for. Also that I'd go beyond my normal careing self to help them out if they need. The comerardery was excellent.

On the other hand, I was burned to a crisp, as Adam (Airnamal rider) pointed out in Trantlebeg :D I drank more than my weight in fluids over the week, I need a 36 spoke rear wheel, (I have one but need a bow to finish it) and I need to drink coffee, something I don't normally drink, prior to chatting to camera crew, or i just turn into a heat exchausted jibbering wreck.

I loved this ride and although I missed my children (5 & 7) I think I might just do one again.

Dave C (Black Dolan with caradice and red drybag)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 28 July, 2014, 05:54:31 pm
interesting idea marcus about not being told anything about the route. But what's the advantage apart from not being able to plan?

No advantages really - just a bit of audacity.
You should look at emulating this:
http://www.centurionrunning.com/piece-of-string-2014/
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 28 July, 2014, 06:05:35 pm
Am I allowed a crew/ pacers?

No. This will make things less miserable.


 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 28 July, 2014, 08:55:58 pm
There is a strong 'adventure' thread to the narrative, and this was the major component of this ride. But the student of economics and management in me has a cost counter clicking away in the corner of the screen. That cost would be pretty similar in a lot of rides, The National 400 was £30, and you could have done it for that. This sort of bare-bones ride can be very cheap, or very expensive. It would be interesting to see the range of personal expenditures.

i've spent around £350-400 for everything (including traveling from london). this must be cheapest and the best value one week's holiday i've ever been on. and also, one of the most exciting, scenic, challenging, adventurous and memorable.

it's all relative.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 28 July, 2014, 09:28:41 pm

it's all relative.

It's the relative bit that's interesting. You look at the start sheet and think, 'I've seen him do 440 in 24 hours, and he's done 340.' Then you read that someone's taking a tent, and you know that someone else has plenty of money. So the audacity is on a sliding scale. Some will have plenty of time in hand, others will be able to walk into a hotel at midnight, pay £80 and leave at 5am without a moment's hesitation. So there's no absolute to the audacity required. On a fully catered ride the field is more level.
The best thing about this ride is that there is no room for cheating, there's never a faster, flatter alternative with a few more miles.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 28 July, 2014, 10:03:48 pm

it's all relative.

It's the relative bit that's interesting. You look at the start sheet and think, 'I've seen him do 440 in 24 hours, and he's done 340.' Then you read that someone's taking a tent, and you know that someone else has plenty of money. So the audacity is on a sliding scale. Some will have plenty of time in hand, others will be able to walk into a hotel at midnight, pay £80 and leave at 5am without a moment's hesitation. So there's no absolute to the audacity required. On a fully catered ride the field is more level.
The best thing about this ride is that there is no room for cheating, there's never a faster, flatter alternative with a few more miles.

Ah, but you can't really take into account the ability of the rider in determining how audacious it is. ;D
Whether it's physical or financial or any other  ability.
Bit like saying Chris Hoy's got an unfair advantage cos of his big thighs.
A rider might have decided the best strategy is to get an audacious job in order to be able to afford the maximum amount of help that is within the rules :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: tyddles on 28 July, 2014, 10:38:59 pm
This was my first ride over 600 and only the second only 400. It was the completion of my second SR, my first was last year.  - Chapeau

You will all remember last weeks riding for a very long time. 

Please post your accounts in Arrivee
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 28 July, 2014, 11:18:49 pm
Good evening, everybody!

Returned home last night after a very long but thankfully uneventful journey. Today my job already hit me with full force and predictably enough I yearned to be out on road again. No ill effects apart from a slightly sore throat and severely burnt lips.

That was an extremely extraordinary adventure, a phantastic ride in excellent weather through spectacular scenery and I would like to thank everyone playing a part in it - especially BlackSheep for putting the ride on even just this once, veloboy, SwissHat and marcusjb for helping with the travel arrangements and my riding posse for their company.

It will take some time to fully process and register all the impressions and the next job - apart from doing the laundry, reassembling, cleaning and servicing the bike - will be to sift through the photos and thinking about a write up.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 July, 2014, 12:01:41 am

Ah, but you can't really take into account the ability of the rider in determining how audacious it is. ;D
Whether it's physical or financial or any other  ability.
Bit like saying Chris Hoy's got an unfair advantage cos of his big thighs.
A rider might have decided the best strategy is to get an audacious job in order to be able to afford the maximum amount of help that is within the rules :)

The last time I was up that way was in 2011, on a 400 qualifier. Heather rode it too, and I filmed it. There was an Easterly, so the section from Durness along to the turn South was a bit of a nightmare. Heather turned up while I was still at Tongue, so I helped her across to Strathy. I left her there, because I needed to qualify and she didn't. I rode the rest of the way with 'El Campesino' and finished with a few hours to spare. Heather came in with 4 minutes in hand, to great applause. Hers was a great achievement, I was just knocking out a qualifier.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 29 July, 2014, 01:33:28 am
but it will determine the direction AUK takes
LEL is some evidence that the big events are what pulls in the punters, so I know where I'd focus the efforts of AUK for further growth.
I signed up for LEL, then was shamed into joining Audax by a clubmate/Audaxer later and, being one for a bargain, signed up for five years. I like the mix of unsupported to near fully supported; it's just the varying entry fees what puzzles me  :-\
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 29 July, 2014, 07:02:09 am

Ah, but you can't really take into account the ability of the rider in determining how audacious it is. ;D
Whether it's physical or financial or any other  ability.
Bit like saying Chris Hoy's got an unfair advantage cos of his big thighs.
A rider might have decided the best strategy is to get an audacious job in order to be able to afford the maximum amount of help that is within the rules :)

The last time I was up that way was in 2011, on a 400 qualifier. Heather rode it too, and I filmed it. There was an Easterly, so the section from Durness along to the turn South was a bit of a nightmare. Heather turned up while I was still at Tongue, so I helped her across to Strathy. I left her there, because I needed to qualify and she didn't. I rode the rest of the way with 'El Campesino' and finished with a few hours to spare. Heather came in with 4 minutes in hand, to great applause. Hers was a great achievement, I was just knocking out a qualifier.
Exactly.
Chris Hoy's thighs don't give him an unfair advantage -but it is AN advantage!

There are of course many other factors -speed and funding are just the main ones.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: valkyrie on 29 July, 2014, 07:07:00 am
Varying entry fees are easy enough to explain. Most organisers as just looking to cover costs, so they set the entry fee so that entry fee x number of riders expected = total budget for halls, food, petrol, validation etc. There is a big range of costs for things like hall rental. Some controls are virtually free, the council owned hall I use as the start/finish for my event costs me £170. Some organisers put on very little food, some put on lots.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 29 July, 2014, 07:40:25 am
but it will determine the direction AUK takes

Does AUK have to go in just one direction?
I like the idea of events at all levels, from solo DIY perms to full on commercially run events, which is where LEL looks to be heading and all that lies inbetween.
AUK already does operate on different scales. It tried going the "more events on the calendar" route, which is where X rated evets came from. The idea was to get more riders but what happened was the same riders spread out more thinly. LEL is some evidence that the big events are what pulls in the punters, so I know where I'd focus the efforts of AUK for further growth.

Just as an observation from one years experience out there---some events get big fields, equally good ones very small so:

Elenydd 130 ish
Brev Cymru 100 ish
BCM 160 ish
Snow Roads 100 ish
Cotwswolds 200, Snowdrop Express >100-200 in total

then Gladestry events about 40 over all events, Barmouth Blvd 15 ish. Yet latter two cover some of best riding in Wales !!  ???

Do you  remove low entry events ? ---or is this organiser discretion?
(sorry this has now gone a bit off thread!)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 29 July, 2014, 09:08:26 am
Back on topic again - is there a suggested debriefing session planned for those in London Village,?

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 29 July, 2014, 09:35:42 am
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.. some take a longer flatter route, not an option on this ride....

I did that, twice. From the turn off here [ http://goo.gl/maps/rK6Kp ] for Lochinver, 10 miles north of Ullapool, I carried on on the main road. I figured that the main road would be better surface and flatter. It was, but slightly longer. I'd just spent an hour truing a wheel which had thrown 3 spokes, in a layby.

I also did the same from Ballaulish. The suggested route took you over Rannoch Moor and down Glen Orchy. I chose a less climby route down to Connel Bridge, along the coast and then up to Loch Awe before rejoining the route. On this second 'long cut' I happened to over take a few riders whilst not knowing, so pushed on harder assuming in my near delerius state, I'd been left at the back of the feild.

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please post reports in Arrivee

Err is this on this forum or in the Mag? I have a simple report but it needs work and I have no pictures.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 29 July, 2014, 09:58:42 am
I'm not convinced the Ullapool to Lochinver long-cut was faster. I hated the final 20km or so of the official route, though, it was very choppy terrain. Another long-cut that a couple of others took at Kyle of Lochalsh was clearly slower. I'm not sure I could have brought myself to miss out on Rannoch Moor and Glen Orchy, particularly since having put up with the A82 traffic as far as Ballachulish only to miss out the nice single track road up from Glencoe Village. Although it turned out the worst traffic of the whole ride was on the A83 after Inverary.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 29 July, 2014, 12:24:13 pm
Back on topic again - is there a suggested debriefing session planned for those in London Village,?

H

A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 29 July, 2014, 12:46:59 pm
Back on topic again - is there a suggested debriefing session planned for those in London Village,?

H

A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.

+1 1 to that!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 29 July, 2014, 01:05:23 pm


A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.

+1 1 to that!

 ;D

I am around on Monday 4th and Tuesday 5th but if that is too soon I can look at dates later in the month but it is likely to have to be a Monday/Tuesday night.

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 29 July, 2014, 01:07:28 pm


A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.

+1 1 to that!

 ;D

I am around on Monday 4th and Tuesday 5th but if that is too soon I can look at dates later in the month but it is likely to have to be a Monday/Tuesday night.

H

Can we setup a Webex? ;O)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 29 July, 2014, 01:09:15 pm


A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.

+1 1 to that!

 ;D

I am around on Monday 4th and Tuesday 5th but if that is too soon I can look at dates later in the month but it is likely to have to be a Monday/Tuesday night.

H

Can we setup a Webex? ;O)

If you are sat at home with a beer in your hand, it will feel just like you are there - until it is your round.  :P

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 29 July, 2014, 01:10:20 pm
I'm not convinced the Ullapool to Lochinver long-cut was faster.

It was more for saving my rear wheel as I had lost a spoke, re tensioned two which had popped out of their nipples and over tightened 4 more to compensate for the missing cassette side spoke!

I had a wee run in on the Loch Awe to inverary road. as I slowed ~5m from the traffic lights a D**k in an Alfa dived in front brakeing hard to stop at the lights and pulling in to squeeze me out of the road. I just pootled past in front of the cone and wait until the lights changed to green.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 29 July, 2014, 01:17:49 pm
On the way to Dunoon from Inverary I had numerous incidents of poor driving. The worst was announced by screech of tyres behind as the car bailed from overtaking on a blind corner as a car appeared coming the other way. One thing notably absent from those roads: speed cameras.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 July, 2014, 01:31:40 pm
The bad blind summits all have enormous streaks of rubber where fish lorries have slammed the brakes on. The worst section is from Drumrunie Corner to Lochinver, which is why I'd take the back road. The improved roads are engineered for trucks to do 60, so it's pretty easy to find yourself doing 80 if you don't check the speedo.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 29 July, 2014, 01:54:12 pm
Hi folks
just a big thank you to all those I met on the road on this momentous ride
I am still coming down, slowly, ticks now removed, sensory feeling returning to left hand - I had to operate front changer with RH challenging in last half day
bucket loads of memorable experiences which I will try to articulate later
Perhaps the patron's comment at the Ardrossan chipper at friday2240 was most appropriate:
when I protested that there was a double lot of fish there for £5.40, he said
'you've been cycling, you need it'
little did he know...
C u on the road

Those who by-passed the Aird of Coigach on the way to Lochinver missed out on one of my top ten spectacular experiences
rounding the corner to find a lochan full of water lilies in flower, etc
and for the cultural link see the scottish country dance:
http://www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/video/aird-of-coigach.html
or
http://my.strathspey.org/dd/dance/54/
with links to better audio recordings [I hope that Adventure Scotland may find the music useful]
On one of my previous visits to the Aird, on tour four years ago in May, following sunshine it started to snow,
and my freewheel ratchets failed to engage, leaving my feet spinning round to no avail.
Left colleagues to go on, stuck out thumb, and immediately found a lift to Inverness  :)

PS missing: specs in translucent spec case and hearing aid. Any suggestions? Gairloch syha or Trantlebeg?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 29 July, 2014, 07:56:50 pm
I'm not convinced the Ullapool to Lochinver long-cut was faster. I hated the final 20km or so of the official route, though, it was very choppy terrain. Another long-cut that a couple of others took at Kyle of Lochalsh was clearly slower. I'm not sure I could have brought myself to miss out on Rannoch Moor and Glen Orchy, particularly since having put up with the A82 traffic as far as Ballachulish only to miss out the nice single track road up from Glencoe Village. Although it turned out the worst traffic of the whole ride was on the A83 after Inverary.
I loved that 20km! But it was technical and fiddly, so not ideal for a sun-baked Scotsman ;-)

I had thought the long-cut was slower, but knowing how long Dave's spoke stop was ... Well who knows. But anyway, the back way to Lochinvar was the prettiest bit of the ride. Unmissable.
The Glen Coe climb is perhaps the most dramatic of the ride. Glen Ocry great too, as was the sticky toffee pudding at the Orchy hotel. These things more than compensated for the draggy/busy Rannoch section.

A83? Yeah, bit busy, but we caught the end of the rush-hour. Probably the only rush-hour in a populated area all week! (And you were possibly an hour ahead of us there?)
That gentle rolling stuff to the ferry was great once it got quieter. Would have made the best end to an event ever ever ever :-)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Grampa on 29 July, 2014, 11:10:03 pm
Hi folks
just a big thank you to all those I met on the road on this momentous ride
I am still coming down, slowly, ticks now removed, sensory feeling returning to left hand

PS missing: specs in translucent spec case and hearing aid.

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Collonach, this did not look like a pensioner's run out to me but you continue to redefine the age thing. Admiration, respect and envy! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 July, 2014, 06:51:20 am
It occurs to me that the reports of poor service in cafes and restaurants may have been caused by the desire of of some the brightest young people in Europe to finish their shifts promptly, in order to get down to some of the best beaches in the world for a party.

Twilit nights spent putting the world to rights, while the seals, otters and dolphins poke their curious heads out of the crystal waters following a superb sunset, tend to outweigh being attentive to sweaty cyclists.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 30 July, 2014, 08:17:05 am


A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.

+1 1 to that!

 ;D

I am around on Monday 4th and Tuesday 5th but if that is too soon I can look at dates later in the month but it is likely to have to be a Monday/Tuesday night.

H

Mondays and Tuesdays are generally pretty quiet days in my packed social diary (who am I kidding!).

I guess a few folks will be on holidays etc. through August, but that only means one thing; there would have to be another debrief/end of season recap in the autumn.

Suggest some dates Mr H! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 30 July, 2014, 09:40:24 am
debrief after the saturday's straight outta hackney audax? i know quite a few will be riding it
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 30 July, 2014, 09:45:56 am
debrief after the saturday's straight outta hackney audax? i know quite a few will be riding it

freaky - I had a weird dream the other night that it was much later on in the year and some major audax event was being organised, like possibly the AGM, and people were in a flap that it couldn't go ahead because some vital participants were apparently still up there in scotland riding the HGWI, after months and months.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 30 July, 2014, 09:59:17 am
The ride was ACE. At the time I may have had differing thoughts, but on the whole it was a fantastic week. The weather helped and hindered but generally was positive. It wasn't windy and stayed dry - but at times I was drinking a bottle of water every couple of hours and finding refils was difficult to find. The heat was oppressive and had me hiding in shade where ever I could. I used 2 new tubes of High 5 Zeros tables in 4 days! It was a really great experience though. At times I was slightly exhaughsted and my head would spin in the heat, but there were lovely periods where I could just take in the scenery as it passed by. I saw lots of Intrusions, where molten rock is squeezed up through cracks in the rock above. It cools and when cut through leaves beatiful differing colour rock threading through the rock base. The waters off the coast near Glenfinnan are spectacular! I have visited and dived off Norway where the vertical rock faces rise straight out of the sea for over a kilometre (and are equally as deep) but the seas and, although not as massive, the rockscape off the west coast, rivals that in many ways. The terrain was rolling and climbing at the same time. I remember looking at a map of the north west of Scotland years ago and seeing thousands of tiny lochs, and imagining a flatter boggier landscape but in real life its just a huge rockery, with water trapped in the bowls created by the strata. The road from Ullapool to Durness is just one huge rollercoaster as the tarmac climbs out of sea level the rises over the high rocks to then drop straight back down to the next sea loch.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 July, 2014, 10:36:41 am
You would have been very close to seeing this exposure, which features on geology courses around the world, you find it on Chinese websites.

(http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~oesis/nws/field/medium/nws03-644m.jpg)

http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~oesis/nws/loc-laxford.html

It would be easy to write a book about the route you took. By not turning left at Drumrunie Corner, you then passed Knockan Crag, essentially the birthplace of plate tectonics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockan_Crag

The weather is so unpredictable in that part of the world that you can't guarantee that you'll ever see it look like that again. We had a similar experience in Ireland a month before, I know I can never repeat it, and I wish I'd known more before I went.

It's fascinating to envisage the way the film crews will have tackled the same problems we faced in Ireland. We had the reverse of what they faced, with lots of controls and just one crew. They had four crews and only one manned control to make the riders regroup. I could also envisage every possible shot, and also the problems they'd face in parking, and keeping their vehicles out of the picture. With a motorbike you just drop the pillion off and make yourself scarce. Passing riders is also a lot easier.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. The usual fault is to cover the first half well, but mess up the ending as the crew tire. I looked at the route and that seemed a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 30 July, 2014, 10:56:08 am
Cheers ESL, I was asked about Knockan Crag by a friend this morning. I can't find its location so don't know if I did pass it. I saw plenty of intrusions though, and thought of an old Geology friend who showed me intrusions on Blaven on Skye 14 years ago, sadly now no longer with us.

EDIT: Yes I think I saw this or something similar as I recall thinking someone had cut the lines out as they were improving the road!

Your idea about the end not being well cover was quite true. I saw a camera at Drumadrochet and then at the end. We had hoped to catch them at Fort William as we caught a couple of hours kip, but pushed on not stopping for a sleep. Then we took an alternate route to Inverary and over took half the pack and the crew. I recall meeting a camera crew before Dingwall around 8pm Thursday eve. They couldn't stop for long as they had to book into the Clackaig Inn in Glencoe before 11pm so shot off. I called the camera crew who had filmed me in Drumnadrochet around 1am later around 07:30am on Friday morning to tell them we were leaving Balahulish, only to wake them up from their slumber :O) They must have been driving 15 - 18 hours a day to keep up with the spread out group, when we were riding near 22 hours a day just to make the ~300km daily target we'd set ourselves.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 30 July, 2014, 11:04:08 am
North of Ullapool I lost one spoke, cassette side at the bend, and nearly two nipple side as they popped out. I was able to re tensions the spokes but not get to the broken spoke as I had not tool for removing my cassette. I spend an hour or more here:

http://goo.gl/maps/YXkIe

and when Mark hagger came up (he was the one sleeping by the road side - which had scared two campervan drivers to stop by me to warn him about his dangerous position) he got me to take a photo of him looking at the mountina in the back ground. Apparently its in some poem? or Scottich music song? Looks loke its Stac Pollaidh.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 July, 2014, 11:17:23 am
The North West Highlands Geopark is a good start to understanding the structure of the area.
http://www.nwhgeopark.com/

John O' Sullivan did a grand job in interpreting the Mile Failte ride, this is one day's info. But that was the flagship ride of a whole country.
http://mf1200.com/MFMain/index.php/description/day-three
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 July, 2014, 11:45:54 am
I spend an hour or more here:

http://goo.gl/maps/YXkIe

and when Mark hagger came up (he was the one sleeping by the road side - which had scared two campervan drivers to stop by me to warn him about his dangerous position) he got me to take a photo of him looking at the mountina in the back ground. Apparently its in some poem? or Scottich music song? Looks loke its Stac Pollaidh.
Stac Pollaidh is the pointy one on its own. I spent a fortnight in 1982 putting up the Northern part of the deer fence in the picture. That new fence is an extension of the exclosure built to protect trees.

Knockan Crag is about a mile North of there.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/corner+market+st+and+ladysmith+st/@58.034709,-5.071325,3a,73.6y,90.79h,95.92t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sbCkwHb-o88hnRoftZbdlyA!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x488e48260353e365:0xa62974d51d1c0202?hl=en
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 30 July, 2014, 12:23:54 pm
Cheers, I certainly did cycle past there. It was down hill and I was following a flatbed 6 wheel HGV which had just over taken me. It had a long ratchet strap trailing behind, hanging out of an open locker on the rear passenger side. It grew longer as it drove on. I eventually passed the strap (and hook) in the road, along with a few others as I made my way up the A835 and then A837. I remember thinking, he'll get to his destination and have no bloody straps to fasten down his load! Eejit!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 30 July, 2014, 04:17:39 pm


A wise idea, I would be up for a bit of that. What are your movements into London in the coming weeks? We can work on making you very jealous for missing out.

+1 1 to that!

 ;D

I am around on Monday 4th and Tuesday 5th but if that is too soon I can look at dates later in the month but it is likely to have to be a Monday/Tuesday night.

H

Mondays and Tuesdays are generally pretty quiet days in my packed social diary (who am I kidding!).

I guess a few folks will be on holidays etc. through August, but that only means one thing; there would have to be another debrief/end of season recap in the autumn.

Suggest some dates Mr H!

I suggested 4th or the 5th...

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 31 July, 2014, 11:32:58 am
There was some discussion somewhere last week about a medal.
FWIW after LEL last year I subscribed to a Randonneurs Mondiaux medal for Brevets of 1200 et plus. Cost a fiver or so IIRC, and it is quite a pretty pic, tho I still haven't worked out what to do with it.
I guess the Martians will be interested when they dig up my remains and study my brevet cards in the next millennium. And I am sure they will all be cyclists.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 31 July, 2014, 11:36:18 am
I have been processing my panoramic shots. The best one seems to be the one I took by the Commando Memorial overlooking the Nevis range. Once they're all done I think I might write it up.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 31 July, 2014, 11:46:12 am
As I don't have my own blog page I'll just dump this here, sorry for any unintentional spelling mistakes with place names:

The Highlander Audax,

Day 1 Brodick, Campelltown, Lochgilphead, Oban.
“Are you Dave Crampton?” asked Margret Wicks of Triple Echo Productions who produce the Adventure Show, or as she asked to be called, Meg. I had arranged to meet for the 08:20 ferry but had gone back to retrieve my helmet left at a mates house in Ayr. We made our introductions and Paul the Cameraman was introduced as I prepped my bike. More faffing with packing. I’d brought far too much ‘stuff’ with me and was trying to slim down even now, with 20 minutes until the ferry sailed. Paul got to filming with Meg asking me questions like how I was feeling, what did I expect, had I planned it, what was special about my bike… etc… Then a few short introductions with other riders and we boarded the ferry to Brodick. On board I met Simon Willis another cameraman/arranger for the program. He was in cycle kit and blended in with us. The sun was shining and the clouds were long gone, it was going to be a hot day.

At the Start we gathered outside a café on the ferry terminal and Mark Rigby started to hand out brevit cards. I’d met a few more folk including two dutch cyclists Richard and Walter, who looked like they were setup for a leisurely tour not a fast paced light Audax, with two large Ortlib panniers and dutch ctyle touring bikes complete with huge 25mm tyres! At least I wasn’t taking the most gear! The start came as an anti-climax as Mark announced that we’d be better off waiting an hour and a half before setting off. Not the usual ‘off like a shot’ start then. Eager to start, we looked around at each other waiting for someone to set off first. That would be me then. As we wound our way along the coast I was past by the Swedish Train as they were to become, three Swedes who had come over especially for the event. I let them get away as I knew I would not make the early ferry from Lochranza and was mopped up by others heading the same way. The ferry looked tight as rumour spread that it was small and we might not all get on. The camera crew got wind of this and tried to get some reaction but we remained cool and all got on board without hastle. Off at Claonaig, we headed down a lumpy B842 to Campbelltown arriving around 4:30pm before finding food at a local Coop, the Audax staple food vendor. Heading to Lochgilphead on the main road it was much faster and flatter then the small road we had ridden down on. On route a few of us joined together to form a larger goup before splitting again as the speeds rose. Outside Lochgilphead I got a puncture and lost the group only to catch up again for food. In Lochgilphead I found most of those I’d tagged long with, before buying food and drink, ready for the last 60km to Oban. It was around 8pm. Riding away from Lochgilphead I met up with Ken Thompson again and we rode to Oban together. Towards the end I was flagging and starting to bonk. I dived into my Rocky Road chocolate stash in my tri bag, which helped some. As we dropped into Oban Simon stopped us short of our accommodation to ask how we were feeling. Tired but happy to be in Oban. It was around 10:30pm, not too bad for a 200+ with an enforced break at the ferry terminal on Arran.

Day 2, Oban – Tobermory – Broadford – Achnasheen – Gairloch – Poolewe.
6:15 rise and shine for the 7:45 ferry to Craignuire. Last on as I assumed cyclists would be kept until last, I just made it on before the doors close. A drunk islander was holding up the ticket queue inside the terminal asking why they would not let him on…. causing a few furrowed brows from late foot passengers wishing to purchase their tickets. On Mull we had a lazy ride to Tobermory for an early lunch. We gathered together by the clock tower to eat and share water and stories before boarding the next ferry back onto the mainland at Kilchoan. This time I had asked another cyclist what times the ferry sailed from Mallaig. 3:20pm and 4:40pm. So resolved I headed east then north over Morven at an average of 30kph towards Glenfinnan where I joined the A830 to Mallaig. Tagging along with Stuart Allan sadly I eventually dropped him, fearing we would not make the 3:20pm ferry to Armadale. I reached the ferry terminal to be waved on eagerly by a cameraman outside the ferry termainl only to be stopped at the ramp by the ticket collector who informed me I’d nothing to worry about, just 3 cars left to board then me. Breathing heavily I was caught by Simon again and asked what it meant to catch this ferry? ‘Saved me an hour and 10 minute delay’ I said trying to catch my breath. On board the ferry I caught up with a few other riders including the Swedish train and decided to take it easy to Broadford. Water resup and then I rode alone to control at the Broadford coop where ice creams beckoned as I tried to find a shaded spot out of the oppressive afternoon hot sun. Water was becoming a problem, I was emptying my bottles faster than I could find refills. At Kyle of Loch Alsh I stopped again for 45 mins finding food for the next ~120km before the hotel at Poolewe, my overnight stop for Tuesday. I climbed the hill out of Loch Alsh to see another familiar face, Meg waving at me, with Paul the Cameraman. As I climbed with another local cyclist, a contract worker who was out for the evening cycling we enjoyed the air and swapped stories before separating at the top where I, leaving him behind, desended at great speed for what seemed like ages, to Loch Carron. Passing the loch on the now famous road for its recent closure due to rock falls, which blocked the road, I head north east towards Achnasheen. Climing steadily the whole way the summer air was cooling and light fading. At the Ledgowan Lodge I was met again my Paul (cameraman) and Meg fired questions at me again while filming. I ate my evening meal, nuts and rice pudding, in a cloud of midges. Unable to find my 3 plastic spoons in my overheated, exhausted and befuddle state, I borrowed a blue plastic ruler from Meg to eat the rice pudding cold out of the can. It never tasted so good. ~10pm now and my last ~65km to Poolewe setting of into the twilight. Stopping only to put on my bright gillet and change GPS batteries, I made good time with my MP3 player providing my dance music to help me along. At Gairloch I was confussed by the signs and larger than expected size of the town and spent 25 minutes looking for the ATM. I misunderstood the larger size of the village I kept going in circles. Eventually finding it I left for Poolewe around midnight. The roads were empty, the light almost all gone and with tunes in my ears I rode a section with no lights and was able to navigate the road easily in the dusk. I made the last few km to Poolewe in great spirits to be met by Simon again at the Hotel. Fearing I would be late for the key collection they had collected my key for me, unknown to me until I arrived. After a shower I felt much better. Bed at 1am Thursday morning.

Day 3 - 4. Poolewe, Ullerpool, Lochinver, Durness, Trantlebeg.
Up at a leisurely 7am I had a another shower, dressing in my now sticky sweaty cycle clothing and making full use of the coffee and biscuits, I packed the sandwich lunch I’d organised from the hotel prior to my arrival. My morning piece to camera done I left for Ullapool alone. Along the way I met Adrian from Brighouse, and we rode together to Ullapool stopping briefly along the way at an independent hostel for tea and biscuits, Sail Mhor Croft Hostel at Camusnagaul. Then the last leg stretch to Ullapool in the heat again. There we had a vast plate of Macaroni cheese and chips, with huge quantities of water. Leaving Ullapool at 1pm we headed north towards Lochinver. 10 miles north of Ullapool my rear wheel broke a cassette side spoke and two others pulled out of the nipples. After over an hour or more fixing the wheel, I managed to get a semi trued wheel, and decided to abandon the recommended route along the coast instead taking the slightly longer but flatter main road to Lochinver. There I met up with Mark Hagger, Ian Oli?, Adrian and Chris. Retracing my route out of Lochinver we headed for Durness. Chris ad Adrian had decided to book into the local Backpackers hostel in Durness as time was getting on. After a brief stop at Scourie on the way for more late night food I was surprised at the greeting. As the kitchen was closing we managed to get Pea soup from a very gumpy counter lady. “What would you recommend?” we asked “Kitchens closing!” came the curt reply. “So can get some soup please?” “Kitchens closing, hurry with your orders!” Refueled with coke and soup we headed for Durness and its rollercoaster road of ups and downs which linked sea lock after sea loch over huge rocky lumps. Arriving just before midnight, we bummed a brief cuppa and then Mark Hagger and I left the hostel for Trantlebeg, leaving Adrian and Chris for their 3 hour sleep. Outside the Spar Durness we regrouped with Ken Thompson and Ian Oli. Headed for Trantlebeg ‘overnight stop’ over 100km away, we rode off into the night, stopping only for caffine based pills, water in Bettyhill and a little Audax Hotel action! On the ride over with the sea on our left (north) the sky was not completely black but a deep shade of blue. The horizon was a deep reddy brown with pink tindged edges and there were 4 white lines coming from where the sun was over the horizon. Looking behind us we could see the ambient light left over from the sun set, after the sun had gone down and ahead of us we could see the start of the sun rise. In between were these white lines in a fan shape. These white lines moved apace with the sun and grew in intensity as we rode through the early morning. As the sun came up we climbed to our last coastal hilltop level and were greeted with a spectacular view of the islands of Okney draped in a mist at sea level, just their tops poking out. It was a spectacular sight. Arriving in Trantlebeg I was cold as the temperature falls sharply around 6am. Just in good time, as I had been micro napping on the bike. Not wise! A quick checkin, then food, shower and sleep in that order.

~Day 4. I had agreed with Mark that we would only sleep up to 4 hours but he was up after only 2 and I was woken from my slumber rudely to be told we should head off. After the briefest of breakfasts (toast and tea) we set off joined by Chris. Only a few km up the road Chris disappeared off the back and it was just me and Mark to the the end. The route took us on the B871 towards Strathnaver and then south to Larig. This was the fourth hot, dry day and we had to pull in to remote farm steads to find water, and only water, as the farms appeared deserted with doors left wide open when we knocked… Meeting Mark the Organiser at Grummore caravan site, we assumed we were last as he told us he had left the control to head south. We didn’t know we still had riders behind us. The climb over Shin forest was balmy, with huge timber articulated lorries and crazed white van men flying up and down with little regard for other road users. In Larig we found the Spar and MattC and Pat. We sat with them and fed and watered, carried on following MattC and Pat down through Shin falls toward Ardguy. At Ardguy we called into an iced cream shop and finding it closed headed into the open cycle shop. Chris of Heavens bikes was a hero. The shop was due to close at 6:30pm and it was now 6:20pm. He sugest it would be ~45 minutes replacing my rear spoke and truing up my rear wheel, but was happy to allow us in. It turns out reading on the web Chris has saved many a LEJOG cyclist as they cycled by Heaven Bikes. Over the Struie climb I met Chris again as he headed home on his own bike. I then waited for Mark and we cycled on for iced cream at Evanton. On the way we were filmed by Meg and Paul. I’d been given a GPS tracking device and they wanted to swap mine for a fresh one. As I went to hand back my old one the car moved towards me on the right, and hemmed in by Mark on the left I was nearly wiped out by the car as I threw the GPS device through the open window and narrowly avoided the car! Dingwall the next control, we arrived around 9pm to control at the Tesco ATM. We met Matt and Pat at Tesco in Dingwall I think and left them for Drumnadrochit. In Drumnadrochit we found Simon cruising round for looking cyclists. I was becoming used to what cars they were driving and spotted them early on. We stopped for a brief chat on camera, and bummed coffee from them. It was past midnight! The last slog to the control at Speanbridge and food in Fort William took nearly the rest of the night.

Day 5. After a quick pit stop in a Fort William BP station at 6am we headed into Fort William. We had been wondering where to sleep knowing we were too late for the SYHA in Glencoe but too early for its opening at 7pm and were wondering where we could doss for an hour out of the cold, midges. I had a moment of inspiration sat on my tender rear in the petrol station. Fort William has a hospital with an A&E. We could kill two bird with one stone. Suitably rested and cared for at A&E we headed out of town for Ballahulish. The SYHA in Glencoe opened at 7am but in Ballahulish while having an early breakfast we decided to avoid Rannoch Moor and its climb and busy fast narrow road and head instead south for Connel Bridge, over the fantastic Falls of LoraI I have scuba dived the falls in full flow and its as spectacular from the bridge as it is underwater! We had a quick sleep en-route to Connell, off the road and then our packed lunch in Connell at 12:30, in a layby where we turned east to Loch Awe. By now I was getting concerned for time and knowing Mark was slower than me I made the difficult decision to part company with Mark and shoot for Inverary. I had a hot few hours when we parted company. The climb from Loch Awe was very hard, with nearly no water left, I was having to ration it and breath solely through my nose to stop dehydration setting in. Fortunately I found a small house on the descent to Inverary who gave me water, from a spring in his garden, fed to his kitchen tap. I have never tasted water so good before!! I bought an iced cream in Inverary and then headed east and south to Strachur where I found an NHS doctors surgery who gave me more cold water and strong coffee. This fortified me for the ride along Loch Eke to Dunoon. I missed Simon the cameraman, who was apparently heading the opposite way on another ferry to interview me. The last 40km were hard. With a 'saire derrière' I found it more uncomfortable. As I rode the last few km through Ardrossan I was trying to identify a place to get a coffee so I could deliver a sensible piece to camera, but failed. In my delirious state, I saw the arrivee and camera crew on the road but my mind was telling me I needed to control at an ATM, not 10m from the camera where Mark was waiting also. On turning round I was confronted with Meg beaming from ear to ear, asking me how I was and what the best part of the ride was. I just fell on my arse on camera as I looked confused trying to think of something to say....  I’m afraid my energy and eager enthusiasm had long gone somewhere in Largs…. Knackered.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: caerau on 31 July, 2014, 11:51:11 am
Nice write up  :thumbsup:


You have me confused though - Tobermory is on Mull, not Arran isn't it?  :-\
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 July, 2014, 11:54:43 am
The use of the A&E in Fort William reminds me of when the Mountain Rescue hauled a dehydrated George Berwick off to that very hospital on a Daylight 600.

It can't have been 2007, as he was helping at Benderloch. This film shows some scenes from the recent ride in more usual weather.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah85hs8dJhE
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 July, 2014, 12:29:46 pm
I'll be interested to see how their bike filming turns out. I was in touch with Simon, as I'm keen to see this project reflect Audax well.

They were using the Sony GW 55 on the bike apparently. http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/content/cnt-specs/HDR-GW55VE/list

I've looked at those before, a bit fiddly to open the screen on the move. You've got to cover the microphones with Rycote, although I just use fake fur. I assumed they worked that out for themselves, as I was never asked about that. Even then it's best to do interviews downwind.
I've moved away from that approach for the last LEL and the Mile Failte. With other people moving in, I've wanted to up the technical quality.
My favourite film using the old approach was the Portmahomack 400.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7oDiNUveE
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 01 August, 2014, 04:23:32 pm
Provisional results are up:

www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2014/listevent/?Ride=14-393

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 01 August, 2014, 09:13:45 pm
Provisional results are up:

www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2014/listevent/?Ride=14-393

Sorry about the delay guys, but it's been a bloody nightmare interesting challenge going through all the proofs of passage.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 01 August, 2014, 10:09:00 pm
Thanks black sheep good one. Bloody nightmares are an essential and intrinsic part of audacious cycling.
Does that mean that there were 37 starters and 25 finishers? Have the dnfs rescued themselves succesfully? Or should we set off again as search party?
PS. It rained heavily last sat in Angus, and on west coast today, and forecast for tomos is both heavy rain and strong wind, so Scottish weather is making a comeback. Phew.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 02 August, 2014, 09:20:53 am
Provisional results are up:

www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2014/listevent/?Ride=14-393

Sorry about the delay guys, but it's been a bloody nightmare interesting challenge going through all the proofs of passage.

I can imagine! With a few days reflection I still think this is the best audax I have ever done, so once again thank you!

It was nice to see Adam on the finish list with all the bike grief he had - I could have sworn someone told me he was forced to pack.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 02 August, 2014, 01:15:06 pm
Last time I saw Adam was getting off the Tobermory ferry, heading into a (closed) garage to get his crank fixed.

Did he just limp it round?

Anyone know the fate of the other 12? I know Andy (green-not-Willesden tops) skipped a northern portion, we bade him farewell at Laarg, waiting for his lift.

Did Adrian rides-with-Chris not finish? He was full of zip when they woke me up in the Durness Hostel!

[12/37 is a big DNF %age, but it's safe to say it would have been higher if everyone entered had rode.]
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: eck on 02 August, 2014, 03:48:21 pm
I was in touch with Simon, as I'm keen to see this project reflect Audax well.
As we all are. But does it not depend on what you mean by "reflect Audax well". How do you know that your idea would be the same as mine?  :-\

This from one of the riders:  "They were thoroughly decent people and tried not to interfere or interrupt our ride. I felt at no time like they were trying to concoct a story about the ride that misrepresents Audax."

Perhaps we should just let them get on with what they do for a living? 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 02 August, 2014, 06:46:10 pm
I see R***a have pulled this video:
Some freinds very kindly did a reccy of certain bits last year, and did a short video.
(click to show/hide)

But this ride's planned with a bit more sunshine, warmth and tea

But it's still at http://vimeo.com/42826812

Stirring stuff - will be interesting to compare with the scottish production!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 02 August, 2014, 08:21:23 pm
Provisional results are up:

www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2014/listevent/?Ride=14-393

Sorry about the delay guys, but it's been a bloody nightmare interesting challenge going through all the proofs of passage.

Well if you hadn't snatched the brevet, I'd have numbered each receipt with each control.... I did wonder why you were removing them before I'd had a chance to sort my own receipts with controls? BUt good luck and many thanks, I thoroughly enjoyed the week and if any other 1300 audax isn't as difficult I'll be more than disappointed. ;O)

Quote from: ian_oli
With a few days reflection I still think this is the best audax I have ever done, so once again thank you!

I can heartily second that. Ian it was lovely to meet you, hope I'm fortunate enough to ride in your company again.

This was my first long distance audax, so I had no idea what to expect. The fact that people with tops from one milli audax and night reflective gillets from another milli audax, from other parts of europe, were packing mid way through surprised me. I guess as this was my first audax over 600 having only done one SR, last year, I had nothing to compare with really so just assumed all rides of this length were that fecking hard!?!?

EDIT: I rode with Adrian (mate of Chris) from outside Poolewe to Durness. I was surprised to not to find him the next morning at Trantlebeg when we set off. Chris joined us and when I enquired as to Adrian, Chris said he'd packed in Durness. Sorry to learn this, Adrian, if you are on here and read this please pm me, I'd like to catch up mate, I really enjoyed riding with you guys! There was a real feeling of 'going through this tough ride together' which made the week very special and one I'll not forget.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 02 August, 2014, 08:47:41 pm
... I had nothing to compare with really so just assumed all rides of this length were that fecking hard!?!?

;D if you think that then next year on PBP you'll probably think they're actually riding the bike for you  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 02 August, 2014, 08:59:00 pm
I was in touch with Simon, as I'm keen to see this project reflect Audax well.
As we all are. But does it not depend on what you mean by "reflect Audax well". How do you know that your idea would be the same as mine?  :-\

This from one of the riders:  "They were thoroughly decent people and tried not to interfere or interrupt our ride. I felt at no time like they were trying to concoct a story about the ride that misrepresents Audax."

Perhaps we should just let them get on with what they do for a living?

I second this!! I wouldn't like some bloke off the street walking into my office and trying to influence my work.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 02 August, 2014, 09:30:21 pm
Some pictures I took:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/sets/72157645772783252/
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 03 August, 2014, 08:12:01 am
Nice pix Simon  :thumbsup: . I solved the mystery with the Arran ferry, there only one - I took a pic of it on the return to the mainland.  ;D

Liked the shots of the river in Glen Orchy.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: akin on 03 August, 2014, 11:03:22 am

It was nice to see Adam on the finish list with all the bike grief he had - I could have sworn someone told me he was forced to pack.

Last time I saw Adam was getting off the Tobermory ferry, heading into a (closed) garage to get his crank fixed.

Did he just limp it round?


I finished, thanks for concern. I had a great ride, despite the increased anxiety of my bike potentially breaking.

The left crank arm kept working loose; To the extent it was nearly falling off. On day one I had to tighten it up early on but only had my multitool which in retrospect was useless. It did not cause an issue until Day two and was working itself loose regularly and I feared it had rounded the square taper. I tightened it with an allen key in a petrol garage prior to the ferry. The garage on the other side was closed so I could not borrow tools; i tried lots of places including building sites, ferry terminal and workshops but no one had any tools or use. I wasted a good hour with this.

I adopted the Von Broad school of thought 'i will cycle to the next control' then 'if its got me this far it might get me to'. I didn't want my holiday to end, and despite the possibly of leaving myself a bit stranded I carried on tentatively. This led me to riding alone a lot. I ended up in Ullapool on the next day and found a hardware store and brought a very large set of allen keys which I used to lever it as much as possibly. Carrying this extra Kg+ was not ideal but it worked and held out.

I had replaced the bottom bracket recently so likely my own error.

To compound my error my GPS bounced off my bike on a decent outside Ullapool. I was travelling at speed and it bounced into a verge. I broke and returned to the general area. I spent 20-30mins looking for it in the mid day heat but to no avail and gave up. Expensive mistake. I can confirm that navigation is easy with the route sheet an no cycle computer.

I do not agree with the argument that this ride represents a massive departure from what is done elsewhere, I have ridden a number of rides in France of 1000km plus which travel through challenging terrain with little resources outside of waking hours and no sleep controls.

I may be wrong but I don't believe many people struggled for time at the end with the route becoming progressively easier. The ferries and need for forward planning did make it a different experience in terms of mindset; and as noted the heat increased the challenge.

It was a fantastic week and a pleasure riding with you all, and/or sharing fleeting moments of the experience with everyone.

Thanks again to all the riders and Mark for coordinating everything.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 03 August, 2014, 11:16:35 am
On the subject of difficulty. I arrived at Trantlebeg with 15m in hand. Despite stopping lots on the next two days due to the heat I finished with 4h in hand. It was an easy final 500km.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: akin on 03 August, 2014, 11:37:38 am
Following on from that I believe the ride was very well balanced and considered, mitigating any initial ferry restrictions.

If the mindset was adopted that intermediate times were less relevant, and ride taken as a whole, then it was manageable at a spread of different paces and schedules. Demonstrated by the choice of some to stop and rest at Durness. This perspective is obviously more difficult when faced with the challenging terrain and heat of day three. Especially if the limited resources were not used well or missed.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Euan Uzami on 03 August, 2014, 01:06:16 pm
In case it's of help to anybody else planning a similar ride in the future, I think my fatal mistake that was the root cause of my downfall was not setting off from Gairloch till about 8am. The reason for this was primarily greed, I was in a b&b that included breakfast but only at 7:30am, and I was determined I wasn't missing out on it. I set off, full, happy - and the ill-fated miles north of gairloch were some of the most enjoyable - but although I didn't know it till around ullapool, I was actually already doomed by then.
If an overdistance 300km was standalone it would probably start at 6am, or even 5:30am, I think as part of this it was probably even more important to start at that time or earlier. Important to recognise when sleep isn't the bottleneck, and to just have a 'token' amount if that's enough rather than to luxuriate!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 04 August, 2014, 09:27:25 am
Hmm. I was a little further up in Poolewe Ben but set off at 8am also. I broke three spokes 10miles north of Ullapool and fannied around for over an hour. In general taking over 22 hours to cover the 300+km from Poolewe to trantlbeg was a very long time but we managed to eat sleep and shower in under 4 hours and were back on the road for 11:1. A further hour lost having my spoke replacedand wheel trued in Ardguy paid off though as I was able to cycle harder without fear for the rear wheel. I guess ideally I'd have arrived every night at the overnight sleep stop before midnight but that didn't happen. Still really good eeek cycling and lots of new mates and memories to keep with me.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 04 August, 2014, 09:33:17 am
I was ahead of my arrival calculations at each sleep stop, other than Trantlebeg - not by very much though.  However, I didn't stop as long as I had planned at any stop other than Oban as I think I was feeling the pressures of pace being a little slower than I had calculated (primarily heat really).  I wanted to be on the road in the early morning as much as possible as it was so much cooler.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: andyoxon on 04 August, 2014, 10:08:11 am
I get the impression the midges were controlled in the end then...  :)   Epic ride by all accounts; I've read some of the reports - nice one Lightkeeper.  The heat, the distance, not to mention the 'audax pace' would have got me...

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So I made it to my booked B&B a few km down the road by just after 10 pm: just over 41 hours on the road, and no sleep. I haven’t done that since the (poorly planned) 600 km ride of my first Super Randonneur series, eight years ago. I wasn’t sure I could do it again, but I dug it out. Back on schedule; and not decrepit yet. On the other hand, clearly not yet fully sane, either.
  http://raiding.tumblr.com/tagged/highlands/chrono/page/5


Something like a 600+km out of Inverness to West Coast, over 4 or 5 days on a fine Easter/May hols week - I'd be keen on...  http://cycle.travel/map/journey/8315   :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 04 August, 2014, 06:55:36 pm
When Richard and I decided to go our own way on wednesday in Gairloch for me the chasing began.

The first two days we only did 425 km. in total. So wednesday I nearly didn't stop, just to get back on our originally planned schedule.

Thursday I had a bad day, but I managed to get back in the tail of the group. Friday I had a good day and I knew I would not get into trouble. I even took a detour to Kinlochleven (around Loch Leven). The only bad experience (apart from the terrible midges) was to be passed by the Swedish train just before Dunoon.

The nicest experience was riding 70 km per hr. in a descent (with my two red and white panniers). The bike didn't seem to bother. I can't remember where that was though.

Some of my pictures are on Facebook. Once again, nice meeting you!

Wijnand

aka Walter G

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 06 August, 2014, 02:35:02 pm
Here's a link to some photos
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=3BC3BC5AE4115232!997
they are open [I think] so you may do what you want with them.
Thanks again for your company  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 06 August, 2014, 04:07:09 pm
Here's a link to some photos
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=3BC3BC5AE4115232!997
they are open [I think] so you may do what you want with them.
Thanks again for your company  :)
Nice piccies. But quite an annoying website - I can never see the whole titles :(

Nevertheless, I suspect the blurred one called "DaveC..." is of Pat/iddu. Partly cos DaveC wasn't part of the Magnificently Late Seven, and partly cos it looks quite like Pat (it's the rolled-up sleeves. And the small-but-stuffed panniers).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 06 August, 2014, 05:29:47 pm
Here's a link to some photos
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=3BC3BC5AE4115232!997
they are open [I think] so you may do what you want with them.
Thanks again for your company  :)
Nice piccies. But quite an annoying website - I can never see the whole titles :(

Nevertheless, I suspect the blurred one called "DaveC..." is of Pat/iddu. Partly cos DaveC wasn't part of the Magnificently Late Seven, and partly cos it looks quite like Pat (it's the rolled-up sleeves. And the small-but-stuffed panniers).

Correct, not me gov'ner, I did recognise those greenish panniers but didn't get to know the rider. Don't think it was Pat though, as I rdoe behind him, and him behind you as we left Lairig.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: iddu on 06 August, 2014, 09:34:19 pm
and the pink hat...c'est moi
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 07 August, 2014, 12:12:41 am
Good evening!

I finally managed to finish a first version of my write-up (lots of pics):

http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214 (http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214)

Have to go to bed now.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 07 August, 2014, 10:05:50 am
Good evening!

I finally managed to finish a first version of my write-up (lots of pics):

http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214 (http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214)

Have to go to bed now.

Thanks for posting, great read reliving the ride through your words. I was around 6 hours behind you the whole ride, feeling I could have pushed on and maintained your pace but in the end, looking back some of the reported busy stretches of road were ridden by me and Mark at night time on empty roads.

Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 07 August, 2014, 12:44:59 pm
Thanks for posting, great read reliving the ride through your words. I was around 6 hours behind you the whole ride, feeling I could have pushed on and maintained your pace but in the end, looking back some of the reported busy stretches of road were ridden by me and Mark at night time on empty roads.

Dave C

Weren't you the one right behind me until the A861 junction?

BTW: Does anybody know if the A830 has seen some major rebuilding? I drove the road to Mallaig by car once in 2000 and I remember it to be a lot more single track and by the sea than what I experienced on my way to the ferry.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 07 August, 2014, 12:47:00 pm
...but in the end, looking back some of the reported busy stretches of road were ridden by me and Mark at night time on empty roads.

But then we got an early morning Glencoe valley and Rannoch Moor without any traffic at all. You win some, you lose some.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 07 August, 2014, 12:48:05 pm

http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214 (http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214)


Nice write-up!! And gorgeous pics!  :thumbsup:
One of the best ride experiences in many years!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 07 August, 2014, 12:50:00 pm
I did the A82 through the Great Glen in the dark and hit traffic again from Fort William onwards, getting to the top of Glencoe at around 10am. But the worst traffic was on the A83 in mid-afternoon, by the time I got to the A78 it was a bit quieter but still some poor driving. I used to ride along the A78 regularly when I was 19. Things have changed a lot since then.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: ian_oli on 07 August, 2014, 01:24:22 pm
...but in the end, looking back some of the reported busy stretches of road were ridden by me and Mark at night time on empty roads.

But then we got an early morning Glencoe valley and Rannoch Moor without any traffic at all. You win some, you lose some.

Dont know about that one, but Achnasheen - Gairloch was largely single track last time I went that way - quite a long time ago - now its only the last bit dropping down to the village.

Busyness was all a matter of timing. Starting the last day from Dingwall, the A82 from Spean Bridge to Ft William and the post-lunch tourist rush for the top half of Glencoe  were the two busy bits for me. Everywhere else was agreeably quiet.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 07 August, 2014, 03:26:41 pm

Weren't you the one right behind me until the A861 junction?

BTW: Does anybody know if the A830 has seen some major rebuilding? I drove the road to Mallaig by car once in 2000 and I remember it to be a lot more single track and by the sea than what I experienced on my way to the ferry.

Err I'm not sure I can place your face or name, as is usual for interfora, sorry. I and Stuart Allen chased a cyclists along the A861 for most of the way along but lost him (you?) around Glenuig Inn? (along side Loch Ailort) I had the feeling we were annoying the rider in front who kept looking back. As I was having problems keeping pace, I dropped back, only just making the Mallaig ferry. Was this you? Sorry I never made any introductions. On Skye, after the the Wacky Races to Mallaig, I took it easy upto Broadford and then fannied about in Broadford and Kyle of Lochalsh, loosing time there.

Busyness was all a matter of timing. Starting the last day from Dingwall, the A82 from Spean Bridge to Ft William and the post-lunch tourist rush for the top half of Glencoe  were the two busy bits for me. Everywhere else was agreeably quiet.

Flippin heck! Dingwall to Ardrossan in one day! Chapeau.

We made our way from Dingwall around 9pm on Thursday evening. We arrived in Spean Bridge at 3:40 and Fort Bill around 4:30 where we dropped into the BP garage for coffee for 30 minutes. We headed to A&E where we wasted more time arriving at Ballahulish aroun 6am? We left Ballahulish after more procrastination/breakfast/washing around 7:30, and had a kip on the road for an hour from 9 - 10am. We arrived around midday in Connel before heading away after a picnic lunch after 30 minutes. When I think about how much time we wasted on that stretch, where we could have been sleeping....
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 07 August, 2014, 03:57:19 pm
Here's a link to some photos
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=3BC3BC5AE4115232!997
they are open [I think] so you may do what you want with them.
Thanks again for your company  :)

No 14 I don't think that is Stac Pollaidh, which is off to the right of that view - Stac Pollaidh is like nothing else you've ever seen :)
that one there is Cul Beag.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 07 August, 2014, 05:57:20 pm
Stac Pollaidh is like nothing else you've ever seen :)

Funny you should say so - the instant I first saw it it reminded me of the Nuvolau as seen from the top of the Valparola:

https://www.google.de/maps/place/Valparolapass,+32020+Livinallongo+del+Col+di+Lana,+Belluno,+Italien/@46.522856,12.001179,3a,75y,135.59h,84.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sXd3dunzB4gUGIGzhnY_6hA!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x477838467efd7bfd:0x576876078eacc1ac?hl=de (https://www.google.de/maps/place/Valparolapass,+32020+Livinallongo+del+Col+di+Lana,+Belluno,+Italien/@46.522856,12.001179,3a,75y,135.59h,84.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sXd3dunzB4gUGIGzhnY_6hA!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x477838467efd7bfd:0x576876078eacc1ac?hl=de)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 07 August, 2014, 06:02:13 pm
Err I'm not sure I can place your face or name, as is usual for interfora, sorry.

But I dimly recall briefly talking to you (on the Armadale ferry? Everything is in a haze).

Quote
I and Stuart Allen chased a cyclists along the A861 for most of the way along but lost him (you?) around Glenuig Inn? (along side Loch Ailort) I had the feeling we were annoying the rider in front who kept looking back. As I was having problems keeping pace, I dropped back, only just making the Mallaig ferry. Was this you? Sorry I never made any introductions.

Not so much annoyed but excessively anxious with the Sword of Damocles hanging over my head. Too bad, as a group we  might have made better progress. Sorry about that.

EDIT: Just checked the map again. I had no one behind me on the A861, I had some people catch up with me on the B8007 but they dropped back in the climb after we joined the A861.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 08 August, 2014, 10:28:40 am
Not so much annoyed but excessively anxious with the Sword of Damocles hanging over my head. Too bad, as a group we  might have made better progress. Sorry about that.

EDIT: Just checked the map again. I had no one behind me on the A861, I had some people catch up with me on the B8007 but they dropped back in the climb after we joined the A861.

Yes that will have been us. We caught up with you but as I said I had problems keeping up that pace. Anyway, nice to have ridden with you, perhaps if we're on the same ride we can introduce ourselves. Dave C :D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 08 August, 2014, 10:41:56 am
Good evening!

I finally managed to finish a first version of my write-up (lots of pics):

http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214 (http://www.misc-pictures.de/?p=214#more-214)

Have to go to bed now.

Your pictures are fantastic! 

I like this one with the never-ending strip of tarmac reaching into the distance:

(http://euve11021.vserver.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/DSC01960.jpg)

I don't like this one:

(http://euve11021.vserver.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/DSC02021.jpg)

Great stuff!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 August, 2014, 10:35:15 pm
I don't like this one:

(http://euve11021.vserver.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/DSC02021.jpg)

Great stuff!
Yes, a great write-up, with super pics  :thumbsup:

Ironically, the goriest of ZigZag's was his thumb - carefully caught top centre of the shot  :o

What's even more remarkable, I beleive this incident happened nearer the start rather than the arrivee  :o :o
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: wilbt on 12 August, 2014, 06:39:38 pm
As I approached Oban feeling happy and going round a roundabout my saddle and saddlebag flew off of my bike leaving me with no saddle.  A Scottish couple helped me look for the bolts and brackets as a bolt had fallen out somewhere.   Adrian came along and carried the saddle and bag whilst I cycled standing up. 

Fortunately after some searching in the sheds at the YHA I found a bed bolt that fitted and fixed it...

Chris
One of the magnificent late seven.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 12 August, 2014, 06:53:25 pm
I thought that was a quite extraordinary save. You seemed completely unsurprised that the beds used the same bolts;
" ... as all touring cyclists know, it's a straight swap ... "
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 14 August, 2014, 02:29:40 pm
For strava users and lovers of heatmaps, here is the heatmap of the Rapharising climbing challenge that way running in the week we were playing in Scotland, I like to think a little bit of that heat up in Northwest Scotland was a bunch of weirdos riding way too far each day:

http://heatmaps.strava.com/rapharising/
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 August, 2014, 03:01:36 pm
For strava users and lovers of heatmaps, here is the heatmap of the Rapharising climbing challenge that way running in the week we were playing in Scotland, I like to think a little bit of that heat up in Northwest Scotland was a bunch of weirdos riding way too far each day:

http://heatmaps.strava.com/rapharising/
Amusing stuff Marcus  :thumbsup: , particularly when zooming-in on the 1300's northernmost controls. Real hot-spots of activity  :hand:

But alarmingly no activity at Brodick TIC or The Saltcot PH  :o . Did 25 intrepids do an "End-to-end-to-end" of Scotland? Did man land on the moon? Does day follow night, or night follow day? Who is the phantom flan-flinger? Or indeed the phantom raspberry-blower of old Londn town?

Sometimes there's no answer, and sometimes it's best not to know.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 14 August, 2014, 03:45:42 pm
Very nice.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MikeH on 23 September, 2014, 01:19:57 pm
Nice to see this ride has finally made it's way out of "provisional" status.  Which means I now get my HR  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: SR Steve on 23 September, 2014, 10:02:32 pm
Me too :thumbsup: I feel completely hyper now.

Well, except for my legs :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 23 September, 2014, 11:07:21 pm
Not even a double SR for me, due to DNF on the Kernow 600k.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Simon Willis on 20 October, 2014, 08:12:39 am
Hi all

The TV programme about this event will likely be broadcast early December.  It'll be screened on BBC-2 Scotland, and that channel is available in the rest of the UK (and parts of Europe) on Sky and Freesat.  It will also be on the iPlayer.

BBC Scotland will only give us 2 weeks notice of the transmission date, so Triple Echo Productions will have a short window to maximise publicity.

Apart from this forum, and the good folk at Audax UK (who I've also contacted) where else would you suggest we publicise this please? 

Oh - and even though I shot a lot of it I haven't seen the programme yet!

Thanks
Simon
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 20 October, 2014, 08:26:13 am
The Facebook group. L
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 20 October, 2014, 03:43:22 pm
The Facebook group. L

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audaxuk/
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dibdib on 20 October, 2014, 04:46:19 pm
Apart from this forum, and the good folk at Audax UK (who I've also contacted) where else would you suggest we publicise this please? 

Despite some good-natured beards-and-sandals ribbing, I reckon road.cc (http://road.cc/) would be keen to publicise a programme like this.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 20 October, 2014, 10:44:26 pm
CTC have a weekly email newsletter CycleClips with a good circulation to c.60k members, so a good humoured paragraph to them with details would be good.
Their press office is at
publicity@ctc.org.uk

and I will tell my contacts too  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Simon Willis on 22 October, 2014, 05:31:23 pm
all good - please keep 'em coming…
S
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 28 October, 2014, 11:50:41 am
Hi Folks,

Message from one of the camera operators:
*******************************
Hi,

The TV programme about the Highlands and Islands Audax is scheduled for transmission early December.  I haven't seen it yet but I have spoken to Triple Echo who are currently putting the finishing touches to the edit.

The BBC will give just two-weeks advance notice of the transmission date.  We'll use those two weeks to maximise publicity for the programme, both in newspapers and online.  That's why I'm contacting you (us the riders - Dave C).

Do you have any top-notch photos that capture the spirit of this amazing event are are just crying out to be published?

I'm looking for a shot with cyclists on bikes in amazing scenery, ideally not posing or smiling into the lens.  Yes, it would have been good if we had taken those shots while we were filming but we didn't.  Stills taken from our video footage aren't good enough for publication.

If you think you might have something which would work, I'd be hugely grateful if you could send me a small copy first.  If we think it could work, then I'll ask you to send a higher resolution version.

I'd like to offer you a fortune in return, but on this occasion you'll have to settle for fame.  That is on its way…

All the best. S.

*************************************

Simon can be contacted on simon.willis@me.com and Triple Echo can be found through Google and their contact page.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 28 October, 2014, 12:03:23 pm
Sadly, I didn't get any decent pics with other cyclists in them.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: i cycle on 29 October, 2014, 10:04:49 am
What about British Cycling & and asking people to post on their club forums.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 29 October, 2014, 03:11:33 pm
thanks Dave_C, i've emailed a set to Simon. shame i couldn't take more photos due to the injured thumb - the views were amazing!

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gkem3YJ3GBY/VFD8jWfKiII/AAAAAAAAESo/KDGC09JFPrw/s640/20140722_190344_Android.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--tMBLs6IMEE/VFD8kyGSW9I/AAAAAAAAES4/3Jo2jxTGsl4/s640/20140722_191854_Android.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fKor53JrOeU/VFD8o8S8f5I/AAAAAAAAEUI/RHF1jKCAiXA/s640/20140723_122728_Android.jpg)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 29 October, 2014, 03:56:03 pm
Great photos and scenery---envious---Scotland is always like that  ;D

see here ---

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3932/15038852964_94fc4142e8_b.jpg)

Near Glenuig this summer, mind you midgies in `full song` indeed ::-)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 October, 2014, 04:05:40 pm
We were in Lochinver at the beginning of this month, no midges then, but we did have some rainy days.


(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10624794_743790745658538_2037435067394113695_n.jpg?oh=41778ee2dbf026dee7723019960a2e05&oe=54EF87BC)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 29 October, 2014, 06:24:16 pm


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fKor53JrOeU/VFD8o8S8f5I/AAAAAAAAEUI/RHF1jKCAiXA/s640/20140723_122728_Android.jpg)

Sadly, I know exactly where that is.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@58.1030554,-5.268057,3a,75y,293.65h,76.56t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sN4LqHFdmBfbNieUjEX4rfw!2e0?hl=en
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 30 October, 2014, 12:35:20 pm
Sadly, I know exactly where that is.

so pretty, that road. i want to repeat the northern part of this audax someday.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 30 October, 2014, 03:19:22 pm
so pretty, that road. i want to repeat the northern part of this audax someday.

I know what you mean Rimas,  :thumbsup:

I've a route that's about 1200km. Start/finishat Oban (so no ferry excitement), and misses-out the bit along Loch Ness. The route also splits-up the west coast into two, so there's the chance to get a breather from rolling terrain. There's still the best bits, but without the busy southern roads.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 30 October, 2014, 03:44:23 pm
Maybe someone could contact Pat, he was taking lots of pics, including some cycling action shots, which was what Simon was asking for  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 30 October, 2014, 05:05:51 pm
so pretty, that road. i want to repeat the northern part of this audax someday.

I now what you mean Rimas,  :thumbsup:

I've a route that's about 1200km. Start/finishat Oban (so no ferry excitement), and misses-out the bit along Loch Ness. The route also splits-up the west coast into two, so there's the chance to get a breather from rolling terrain. There's still the best bits, but without the busy southern roads.
For Pete's sake get on with publishing this; I need a good excuse to not ride PBP!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 30 October, 2014, 07:21:05 pm
Sadly, I know exactly where that is.

so pretty, that road. i want to repeat the northern part of this audax someday.

The Drumbeg Road, North of Lochinver is of a similar character, but with more climbs. We did the North Coast one day, and the bit you did, and the Drumbeg Road the following day in 2004. It was midsummer, and 5 degrees C on the Saturday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2n9ztQq7w

The National 400 is up that way next year, I don't know the route though.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 30 October, 2014, 09:05:59 pm


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fKor53JrOeU/VFD8o8S8f5I/AAAAAAAAEUI/RHF1jKCAiXA/s640/20140723_122728_Android.jpg)

Sadly, I know exactly where that is.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@58.1030554,-5.268057,3a,75y,293.65h,76.56t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sN4LqHFdmBfbNieUjEX4rfw!2e0?hl=en

Yes, I recognised that part of heaven too.

It's a few miles from the stinky fish farm.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 31 October, 2014, 03:39:35 pm
We were in Lochinver at the beginning of this month, no midges then, but we did have some rainy days.


(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10624794_743790745658538_2037435067394113695_n.jpg?oh=41778ee2dbf026dee7723019960a2e05&oe=54EF87BC)

I tried finding where you took the phot from on google street view, but it was very difficult! I thought you were on th south side of the inlet/bay but its obviously taken from the north, but heck! it looks much further away in the street view, is this a zoomed in shot? Cheers,
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 October, 2014, 05:10:12 pm
It's taken from the breakwater, looking South East. It's a good spot at sunset. You can't go along the breakwater on Street View. There's a good view of Quinag from there as well.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Lochinver,+Lairg,+Highland+IV27/@58.147366,-5.2510966,3a,75y,356.86h,91.35t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1spQPabUB2Q1vxwUauObKbsQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x488e2fb0393e76ad:0xaa341e9a235885d0?hl=en

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10626853_751570118213934_7416338535838025843_n.jpg?oh=19d1bf78d033f7e3c37587ad0c95daed&oe=54F6E09E)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 October, 2014, 06:03:13 pm
The view's not bad looking the other way.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10374974_751585251545754_371443347090638703_n.jpg?oh=f8b9012118ef86a874dbfb5ad7be9959&oe=54E774CD&__gda__=1425289740_7b8df75e621980503e2d787d33bcb3f6)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 31 October, 2014, 06:09:52 pm
Ah! that makes sense... I was looking at the hill from the north side thinking its far too far away from those boats. I didn't get long enough to hang around in the place, as we were dodging the heat and searching scoff from the shops which were closing. I'd love to go back up there if only we got the same weather! and time to enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: tonyh on 31 October, 2014, 06:13:24 pm
Beauty sufficient to bring tears. (Especially with the midges absent.)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 31 October, 2014, 06:31:27 pm
I found a spot to convey the height of the Giant Redwoods that line the road into Ullapool. That part of the world can get under your skin.

(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10421383_751593288211617_7390224294434470294_n.jpg?oh=9f6d58d53131c6030a9a68ab018810c7&oe=54DEBC1A)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 01 November, 2014, 05:40:58 pm
I'm surprised that the film team can't get a montage out of their footage, ours for the Mile Failte was 1920x1080, sufficiently detailed for a DVD cover.

(https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=5d793af114&view=fimg&th=1487bb7636c505f6&attid=0.1.1&disp=emb&attbid=ANGjdJ9JD25G5CvDztKEIcdvSSWn1cp-olN3zZ4_LxR2L_SjlEuCeVFJuReesBpZ6DYlCVc2GJBsmVTrvn4j-Qm8ftRItHkfns_WVIA6D-K1UszHfeg8ykG7E1Q1DZU&sz=w1600-h1000&ats=1414863339061&rm=1487bb7636c505f6&zw&atsh=1)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Simon Willis on 02 November, 2014, 04:05:33 pm
Thanks for all the photos - there are some great ones there.  I honestly don't know how some of you had time to take all the photos you've sent!  Looking through them brought back great memories of one of the friendliest, sleep deprived weeks I've had.

I have passed them on to Meg and Richard at Triple Echo Productions and I hope they will be able to use some in the publicity for the programme.  Transmission is still scheduled for early December. 

Why couldn't we grab stills from our HD footage?  We were shooting 1920x1080 50i with 4:2:2 compression at 50mbps.  This is an HD moving image but individual frames would be a low resolution still image.  By comparison my tiny Lumix DMC-XS3 stills camera (fits a shirt pocket) produces 4320x3240 images.  Plus the TV images are interlaced, so when you grab and de-interlace a frame you loose information.  I've made three sea kayaking DVDs (http://www.seakayakwithgordonbrown.com) and the cover shots are all taken with stills cameras because I don't consider the video grabs to be high enough quality.

Triple Echo might yet use video grabs in their promotional material, that's not my call.  However, we wanted to see what quality photos riders could provide.

So thanks to everyone who has sent and offered photos.  I shall, of course, post on this forum when I have a transmission date.

Simon
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 02 November, 2014, 05:02:43 pm
We were shooting 25p, so less of a problem. Same codec, we're constantly amazed how much detail it captures, especially in clouds.
The quality of the lens will always out, and video stills can sometimes capture the moment, at the expense of definition, although 1920x1080 will still give just over 3x6 inches at 300dpi.

(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag442/damonpeacock/MFMainFilm_zps9b13139e.jpg)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 November, 2014, 12:39:09 pm

I've a route that's about 1200km. Start/finishat Oban (so no ferry excitement), and misses-out the bit along Loch Ness. The route also splits-up the west coast into two, so there's the chance to get a breather from rolling terrain. There's still the best bits, but without the busy southern roads.

For Pete's sake get on with publishing this; I need a good excuse to not ride PBP!

Check your mail, your options have just been enhanced  :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 11 November, 2014, 12:50:24 pm
Cheers Simon, Just incase anyone can't place Simon...

The organisor, always on the phone getting numbers, locations, times, ferries... and coffee ;O)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p86/Dave_Crampton/Simon_willis_zps64ebce16.jpg) (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/Dave_Crampton/media/Simon_willis_zps64ebce16.jpg.html)
Waiting for the Tobermory ferry.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 11 November, 2014, 07:49:50 pm

I've a route that's about 1200km. Start/finishat Oban (so no ferry excitement), and misses-out the bit along Loch Ness. The route also splits-up the west coast into two, so there's the chance to get a breather from rolling terrain. There's still the best bits, but without the busy southern roads.

For Pete's sake get on with publishing this; I need a good excuse to not ride PBP!

Check your mail, your options have just been enhanced  :demon:
[Opened and read!]

Not sure about "enhanced" - certainly broadened ;)

My current *vague* plan is to do summat different next year i.e. not a sameoldsameold1000k+ Audax. Then very likely a scottish expedition of some flavour in 2016. But we'll see ... (and I don't want to divert the thread any further) ...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 18 November, 2014, 08:09:32 pm

(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag442/damonpeacock/MFMainFilm_zps9b13139e.jpg)

That's our great Jos (Nomen Nescio on Facebook). Very nice!

I'm dying to find out how to get the BBC iPlayer on my desktop before december.

Anyone any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 November, 2014, 10:36:25 pm
That shot of Jos is taken from a climbing and descending sequence in our Mile Failte DVD. He was a little bemused by some idiomatic English. The other Dutch guy is the one we decided to follow on the descent, which was a bad idea because he descended like a brick down a well. We tidied it up a bit for the DVD. We're looking forward to seeing the BBC film.

http://youtu.be/E2_9zp7BSiM
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Reg.T on 18 November, 2014, 11:13:42 pm
Sorry ESL - it's currently private
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 November, 2014, 11:52:06 pm
That should work.

http://youtu.be/E2_9zp7BSiM
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 November, 2014, 08:28:45 pm
You only have to watch the first 16 seconds.

And I'm sorry that it's 14 years late.

http://youtu.be/V5HA-umweZ0
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 27 November, 2014, 11:48:25 am
A Swedish friend just emailed me this link - [for some reason, the hyperlink won't recognise it - cut and paste  >:(]

vimeo.com/112902193

Looks like the date of the much anticipated documentary in Tuesday 09 December 19:00, BBC2 Scotland.

The preview certainly looks great!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Simon Willis on 27 November, 2014, 06:00:10 pm
I just released I'd been posting details about this TV programme on a new thread and neglected this older one.

Sore In The Saddle will be broadcast at 7pm on Tuesday 9th December.  It will be screened on BBC-2 Scotland, a channel which outside of Scotland can be found on Sky, Freesat and (I think) Virgin Media. 

From 10th December is should also be on the BBC iPlayer.  The BBC restricts this to the UK but I have been told there are ways to watch it in other parts of the world.  Google will help with this one.

The preview is on Vimeo here https://vimeo.com/112902193

The programme is made by Triple Echo Productions as an Adventure Show Special.  We're hoping to get as many viewers as possible and lots of likes on the Adventure Show Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/adventureshow) - so please Facebook, Tweet, Google+ and generally share the details until your finger ends can type no more!

All the best
Simon
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 27 November, 2014, 06:56:11 pm
BRILLIANT preview loved every bit, can`t wait for full BBC2--have just checked that can get it, phew yes even in Wales on Freesat !!!

Really,  really great photography and scenery  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:--weather may have helped a bit too ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Chris S on 27 November, 2014, 06:58:12 pm
I'll have to hope it makes iPlayer.

(Crosses fingers)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 28 November, 2014, 10:27:16 am
Can Blacksheep tell us when we might expect our Brevet cards back please? I understand they have to go to France to be recorded in the big black book?

Thanks, Dave C
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 November, 2014, 12:46:01 pm
Can Blacksheep tell us when we might expect our Brevet cards back please? .........
Hi Dave. The cards (24) for this event only came back less than a week ago, the 600 brevet cards (27) came back a week before that and the BC4 cards (100) a week or so before that. So I've been busying myself every evening for a couple of hours non-stop getting through the mountain of cardboard.

It is proving very long winded, but I'm on it as a top priority.

Relatively few have actually written their adresses on the brevet cards - despite it being their responsibility, then de-ciphering the artwork is then another challenge. And if that's not enough, unearthing contact details from some online entries is not straight forward either as numerous entree's submit an entry for someone else (or two).

......................I understand they have to go to France to be recorded in the big black book?
Thanks, Dave C
The results are indeed recorded by AUK and LRM, but wether they actually go to France - I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: JonB on 28 November, 2014, 03:23:38 pm
and the BC4 cards (100) a week or so before that. So I've been busying myself every evening for a couple of hours non-stop getting through the mountain of cardboard.

Happy to pick up the BC card at Kings, Castles etc on the 6th Dec if this is of any help (it may not be), Jon Banks 12120
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 28 November, 2014, 05:59:43 pm
and the BC4 cards (100) a week or so before that. So I've been busying myself every evening for a couple of hours non-stop getting through the mountain of cardboard.

Happy to pick up the BC card at Kings, Castles etc on the 6th Dec if this is of any help (it may not be), Jon Banks 12120

ditto Mark, james
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 04 December, 2014, 10:45:08 am

It is proving very long winded, but I'm on it as a top priority.

Relatively few have actually written their adresses on the brevet cards - despite it being their responsibility, then de-ciphering the artwork is then another challenge.

I sent you a message, just to be sure!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Angstbremser on 09 December, 2014, 09:31:18 am
Sore In The Saddle will be broadcast at 7pm on Tuesday 9th December.  It will be screened on BBC-2 Scotland, a channel which outside of Scotland can be found on Sky, Freesat and (I think) Virgin Media. 

<snip>

All the best
Simon

It would seem like there is no way I can watch this programme from where I am, so if anybody could come up with a non-encrypted recording I would be more than grateful.

Gernot
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ruthie on 09 December, 2014, 09:41:43 am
Will it be on i-Player?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: andyp on 09 December, 2014, 09:47:37 am
Have you tried installing zenmate to google chrome? it's free and allows you to (appear to) change your location. Handy for anytime a video is "not available in your location" :thumbsup:
https://zenmate.com

PS best not to leave it switched on while you do online banking, it turns out it can cause a fraud alert as the bank thinks someone is trying to log in to your account from the US :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2014, 11:15:38 am
Will it be on i-Player?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v5hhh

Will be available "shortly after broadcast" it says.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: andyoxon on 09 December, 2014, 12:20:28 pm
Should be good.   A cycling relative of mine, had an issue with the 'harder than the TdF' assertion, when I showed them the vimeo trailer.   ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 December, 2014, 03:14:50 pm
Should be good.   A cycling relative of mine, had an issue with the 'harder than the TdF' assertion, when I showed them the vimeo trailer.   ;)

I know what you mean, but the two are completely differing beasts,

Apart from some of the bike kit and possibly some items of clothing, neither has much in common.

Team Sky for 2014, had a pool of 27 cyclists all of which had the oportunity to support their team captain towards winning TdF. Under Sir Dave B's team on the backroom team there was 14 and that only went as far as the team doctors, to get the 9 riders to the start line in Paris took more than another 280 bodies.

Could Joe Schmo win 2016 TdF if he were plucked from oblvion now and groomed by the wizards at Tam Sky. I think not.

Could an elite cyclist complete this course in 2016 whilst only training at w/e, and hold down a full-time job. I think not.

Why do I think this way, well the evidence is out there in Googleland if you care to look.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 09 December, 2014, 03:52:09 pm
I've seen some of the participants ride 24s, and we can find out those distances. I'd view 'Elite' in that context as a distance over 500 miles. The likes of Gethin Butler and Andy Wilkinson were elite riders in road racing in their time, and also hold End to End records.
Audaxes aren't races, but some treat them as training for the likes of RAAM or the Transcontinental, so we can map the intersection of all those points. I'd say doing a ride of this type in about 60 to 65  hours would be as hard as the Tour de France.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2014, 04:02:11 pm
I was on the bike for 60-65 hours.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2014, 05:21:32 pm
I was on the bike for 60-65 hours.  :thumbsup:
Softie - even Nibali was out there for nearly 90hours*


*I hadn't noticed this before; a pleasing coincidence,what with matching the PBP limit ...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 09 December, 2014, 05:30:55 pm
159km per day. Compared to ~325km/day for PBP's 90h limit.


Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2014, 05:59:07 pm
159km per day. Compared to ~325km/day for PBP's 90h limit.
Except that their minimum speed isn't a per day figure.

That's what makes comparisons like this so absurd - apples and oranges.

Anyway,  everyone knows the truith: Nibali may ride quicker, but we're more badass :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Arellcat on 09 December, 2014, 07:13:49 pm
On now.  About 12 hours in; getting dark in Oban.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Nuncio on 09 December, 2014, 07:43:05 pm
It's very good (so far).
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ariadne on 09 December, 2014, 07:46:57 pm
It is - I'm really enjoying it!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 09 December, 2014, 08:17:04 pm
It was very good - a fine explanation of Audax riding (without getting too detailed), a good cycling film, and a great Scottish Tourism film as well.
Watchable by cyclists and non-cyclists alike.
I don't know how much input AUK had into the production (I suspect none) but I don't see how it could have been better or more sympathetic to the ethos of this style of riding.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 09 December, 2014, 08:26:05 pm
Well, judging by what's just happened to my blog stats, Scottish orgs might well be busy the next few days. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 December, 2014, 08:38:13 pm
Anybody ripped a copy ?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MikeH on 09 December, 2014, 08:44:20 pm
"Mike Henley, an old hand......".  Wise words, who'd know this was only my second SR year. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 09 December, 2014, 08:53:26 pm
Anybody ripped a copy ?

Yes, I recorded it on my PVR.
I've not watched it yet, so I'm hoping the recording went OK.
Just FTPd the file off the PVR onto my PC for a quick look.
ETA: yes, the recording is complete.

The file is 2.3Gb, though!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Veloman on 09 December, 2014, 08:58:30 pm
Watched this courtesy of Freesat.

Very good programme that summed-up the essence of audax IMO.

Wise words from MJB.

Only improvement would have been a link somewhere to AUK and perhaps the new AUK jersey might just provide that PR opportunity.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Wal on 09 December, 2014, 09:07:32 pm
Thoroughly enjoyable documentary, a great insight into longer events and audax, super effort also.... Braw!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 09 December, 2014, 09:10:02 pm
Wise words from MJB.

They must have over-dubbed me.

I watched a few minutes of it live - it looked good.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 09 December, 2014, 09:13:01 pm
I'll have to wait for it to become available on BBC iPlayer - Virgin Media does not have the regional variant of BBC2 Scotland :-(
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 December, 2014, 09:14:26 pm
"Mike Henley, an old hand......".  Wise words, who'd know this was only my second SR year. :thumbsup:

did they mention the fact, that for obe rider it was his first ever audax ?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 09 December, 2014, 09:14:30 pm
I'll have to wait for it to become available on BBC iPlayer - Virgin Media does not have the regional variant of BBC2 Scotland :-(

So will I; no TV.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 December, 2014, 09:19:05 pm
Don't rely on it Helen, I'd like to be proved wrong - but BBCiplayer also seems to be location dependant.

I've tried to access some other BBC2 Scotland material, but ho joy. Feanor's going to be a busy boy
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: veloboy on 09 December, 2014, 09:25:56 pm
Don't rely on it Helen, I'd like to be proved wrong - but BBCiplayer also seems to be location dependant.

I've tried to access some other BBC2 Scotland material, but ho joy. Feanor's going to be a busy boy

At the moment, BBC iPlayer has the previous episode 4 of The Adventure Show available; so one assumes (hopefully) that episode 5 of HGWI will be available soon.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 09 December, 2014, 09:32:29 pm
Tomorrow apparently.

Bit annoying, my wife was delayed at work and we wanted to watch it together - I thought it would appear straight after the broadcast.  I was gutted to find not so.  Tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 09 December, 2014, 09:58:20 pm
Its brilliant, and I've still got 200km to go as it is recorded.

Great to see roads I've cycled on, great to see Scotland at its best.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mcshroom on 09 December, 2014, 10:37:24 pm
Up on iPlayer now: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04v5hhh/the-adventure-show-20142015-episode-5
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 10 December, 2014, 12:06:05 am
I'll watch it tomorrow as it's a bit late now.
AIUI 'location dependent' iPlayer programmes would not be available outside the UK but Scotland has not yet broken away...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 December, 2014, 01:07:06 am
I was very impressed. Fantastic scenic shot after fantastic scenic shot. The Swedish issue was fudged, and Simon P looked like he was sucking a wasp when that happened, but that's TV.

I'm bound to wonder what they didn't get that I did, and that's an interview with Martin Lucas, because he's always there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4weGwDt13Q
 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2014, 01:39:53 am
That's as cheerful as I normally look after cycling 1300k. At the time, I had no idea of the circumstances and assumed they'd simply had some difficulty finding a proof of passage. I struggled at one control as the cash point was quite well hidden though I did find it.

It was interesting seeing the different approaches and how they panned out. The swedes were miles ahead of me but stopped for a long time at Durness so got to Trantlebeg about 5 hours after me. I was really slow on the final two days because it was so hot - and saw not a single rider in the last 350k or so.

It really was a very good programme and captured how challenging the ride was. A lot of riders looked very worse for wear at times.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 December, 2014, 01:55:05 am
I'd see Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs as more of a pyramid than a triangle. But I wasn't under pressure.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 10 December, 2014, 07:21:18 am
"Mike Henley, an old hand......".  Wise words, who'd know this was only my second SR year. :thumbsup:

did they mention the fact, that for obe rider it was his first ever audax ?

Yes that was mentioned  :o

Great program, really enjoyed watching it. And as above interesting see different ride strategies, how it all went.

Stunning scenery too (of course it was NW Scotland  ;D ;D ) and marvellous camera shots too. I think my o/h may have got a bit more understanding of why I do Audax stuff now  :thumbsup:

All sound bites too were so well delivered, calm and collected even though riders tired , under time pressure---top marks to all as great ambassadors  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hedgebanger on 10 December, 2014, 08:09:43 am
Great hour's TV. Of course the 'Swedish Question' was left in as a 'will they/ won't they saga. It just shows the importance of checking the GPS route against the actual route sheet. Not sure if the PBP qualifiers would be as kind.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 10 December, 2014, 08:54:08 am
really enjoyed watching the show - superb work by the filming and editing crews! got a fair share of attention, more than i hoped for :thumbsup:. despite the crash, this was my best ride in uk so far and i can see any other ride coming close anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 10 December, 2014, 09:31:23 am
really enjoyed watching the show - superb work by the filming and editing crews! got a fair share of attention, more than i hoped for :thumbsup:. despite the crash, this was my best ride in uk so far and i can see any other ride coming close anytime soon.

You were the star of the show  :thumbsup: your ijuries looked far worse in realife - and there wasn't even a mention of the thumb nail

The job that Meg and all the boys from Triple Echo did was phenomenal  :thumbsup:

hats - off to all to all those that departed Brodick, 



note to you Tober otp .  Did you like my Scots accent?  :facepalm:

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Dave_C on 10 December, 2014, 10:10:39 am
Great program, I really enjoyed it. What doesn't come across on the program was the lack of footage in the last couple of days. I rode through Weds night and Thursday night and caught a little nap where I could but no more then ~4 hours tops. The camera crew were doing something similar trying to catch us to film segments. This was brought home when we arrived in Balahulish. I had spoken to Simon (cameraman) in Drumnadrochet around 1am on Friday morning, who asked if we could let them know where we were so they could catch up with us near Fort William the next day. So as we arrived in Balahulish at ~6:30, we got breakfast and I called Simon to update him. The phone rang out first time. Second time he answered, sounding very tired (I'd woken him up). He made his appologies and said he would see us down the road. It was only afterwards that he confided that their 4 crews were having difficulty keeping up with us riders AND getting to their overnight accomodation, which was so far ahead, they'd be near us when we passed by the next morning. So the final two days were 24 hour marathons as we (Mark and I) didn't arrive at Trantlebeg (the Weds overnight accom) until 6am Thursday morning, meaning that after a short sleep (3 hours) we were playing catchup the last two days. On the last ferry I was sailing to Gurrock as Simon was sailing back to Dunoon to catch me, as his GPS tracker was around 20 minutes behind my actual progress.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 10 December, 2014, 10:42:48 am
What they didn't mention was how many finished (and how many didn't) ... ?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 December, 2014, 10:51:56 am
What they didn't mention was how many finished (and how many didn't) ... ?

24 out of 35ish finished.  I think the heat would have knocked a few more people out than would have been expected - it certainly added an unforeseen complication to an already challenging event.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 10 December, 2014, 10:57:23 am
Everyone that appeared on this show were great ambassadors to audax and ought to be proud.  You were brilliant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v5hhh
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 10 December, 2014, 11:49:11 am
What they didn't mention was how many finished (and how many didn't) ... ?

24 out of 35ish finished.  I think the heat would have knocked a few more people out than would have been expected - it certainly added an unforeseen complication to an already challenging event.

Thanks Marcus.  I'm just watching it again (one of the dubious benefits of working from home) and trying to work out how to get Mrs WB to watch it and appreciate how I spend some of my weekends ... I think Strictly It Takes 2 wins that one every time  :facepalm:

Nevertheless, you're all great ambassadors for audax, and surprisingly lucid given the conditions  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  Fortunately it's not smellivision ... IGMC  :P
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: TOBY on 10 December, 2014, 11:55:57 am
really enjoyed watching the show - superb work by the filming and editing crews! got a fair share of attention, more than i hoped for :thumbsup:. despite the crash, this was my best ride in uk so far and i can see any other ride coming close anytime soon.

You were the star of the show  :thumbsup: your ijuries looked far worse in realife - and there wasn't even a mention of the thumb nail

The job that Meg and all the boys from Triple Echo did was phenomenal  :thumbsup:

hats - off to all to all those that departed Brodick, 



note to you Tober otp .  Did you like my Scots accent?  :facepalm:

It wasn't the voice I've come to expect from the rapha films
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Mike Conway on 10 December, 2014, 03:08:14 pm
Great to see so many faces I've ridden audaxes with in the south - a very enjoyable film.

I've yet to experience the long audaxes, and this has given me inspiration to consider a long one for 2015.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Lars on 10 December, 2014, 03:11:08 pm
Smashing! Rimas and M J-B superstars!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 10 December, 2014, 03:14:38 pm
Really enjoyed that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: alwyn on 10 December, 2014, 04:13:31 pm
What a great documentary. I really enjoyed it. I thought it made audaxing look good, Scotland look amazing, and audaxers look determined and audacious without any of the macho nonsense that can pervade sporting endeavours.

Briliant work!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 December, 2014, 04:17:49 pm
I've yet to experience the long audaxes, and this has given me inspiration to consider a long one for 2015.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkaa0cc7Z1r25534o1_500.gif)

(seriously though, you're a good strong rider - if you want to do it, there should be nothing to stop you)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: rabbit on 10 December, 2014, 04:24:51 pm
What an amazing documentary and reflection of Audax and the Audax community.  Well done to all the riders, and of course, Mr Blacksheep.   :thumbsup:

It makes me feel proud to be involved in the Audax scene.  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 10 December, 2014, 04:49:57 pm
Yup that is a great film  encapsulating Audax...loitering in Public Toilets, sleeping on Park Benches and in hedgerows interspersed with beer and fish and chips.  Lovely scenery and great views with the added bonus of seeing application of chamois crème and patching up places where skin has been removed...and everyone was having so much 'fun'.    Smiles sunshine and jokes.   ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Chris S on 10 December, 2014, 04:53:54 pm
You didn't even need to visit all the controls  :thumbsup:.

 :demon:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 December, 2014, 06:00:25 pm
Great program, I really enjoyed it. What doesn't come across on the program was the lack of footage in the last couple of days.

The route back from Lairg looks less interesting, and it's difficult to keep it together towards the end. We deliberately didn't do that much filming on the first half LEL, scenic stuff mainly. The second half is where the interesting stuff happens. From a filming point of view it would have been better to have run it in the opposite direction. That would also have the advantage of building up a time cushion on the fastest roads.

 
I tried to work out where the Swedes went wrong. It looked like they didn't turn left at Drumrunie Corner, in order to avoid the choppy riding to Lochinver, but followed their GPS and turned right to Kylesku instead of straight on to Lochinver. It pays to carry a map and check the route-sheet if you're doing that sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 December, 2014, 06:05:46 pm

I tried to work out where the Swedes went wrong. It looked like they didn't turn left at Drumrunie Corner, in order to avoid the choppy riding to Lochinver, but followed their GPS and turned right to Kylesku instead of straight on to Lochinver. It pays to carry a map and check the route-sheet if you're doing that sort of thing.


Hmmm. So there may be riders with an incomplete route on their GPS.

Worth knowing ... <whistles> ...

Chambers the Oracle called it.

Several riders in front of me took the main road route and dog-legged into Lochinver.  However, I am so glad I took the left turn - it was one of the most wonderful bits of cycling I have ever done in my life.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 December, 2014, 06:11:50 pm
The Drumbeg Road from Lochinver to Kylesku is even better.

A quick search shows a discussion on Pistonheads. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=174&t=1467373&nmt=
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Mike Conway on 10 December, 2014, 06:16:45 pm
I've yet to experience the long audaxes, and this has given me inspiration to consider a long one for 2015.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkaa0cc7Z1r25534o1_500.gif)

(seriously though, you're a good strong rider - if you want to do it, there should be nothing to stop you)

Haha.. strong of leg maybe, not strong of will.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 10 December, 2014, 06:18:36 pm
Several riders in front of me took the main road route and dog-legged into Lochinver.  However, I am so glad I took the left turn - it was one of the most wonderful bits of cycling I have ever done in my life.

It is, isn't it!

Unlike the Drumbeg Road it has the contrast of the first part with Stac Pollaidh and the lochs, and then the contrast of the seaside humpbacks which make for an amazing 20 miles.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 December, 2014, 06:26:37 pm
 It's best to ride the two together, as we did in June 2004. Clockwise is best to film, anti-clockwise for the best views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2n9ztQq7w

Someone should start a thread called 'Sore in the Saddle' Adventure show to hoover up interest.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 December, 2014, 06:39:10 pm
So the left turn to enter the awesome bit is here:

https://goo.gl/maps/V8HJk

If you stayed on the main road, you had to dog-leg into Lochinver here - and then come back to this point to take the road up to the right (which is where I assume the Swedish train went wrong):

https://goo.gl/maps/OPy8y

But really, the awesome bit was, well, awesome.  Truly amazing riding.  I couldn't recommend that bit any higher to anyone.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 December, 2014, 07:16:49 pm
That area is my absolute favourite part of the UK. I made a 4 min film about the points of interest in 2010, and loaded that up to Vimeo. They become unresponsive after a while, so I've downloaded it, put it on youtube, and let them stabilise it, hence some jumps.
I've ridden through that area on 6 Audaxes, so I tend to look at the more remote areas away from the roads. The geology and wildlife are worth a trip in themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SEiqqaXyl0&list=UUYNT2G0DWGA3uIjxK-nEwVg
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 10 December, 2014, 07:27:28 pm

I tried to work out where the Swedes went wrong. It looked like they didn't turn left at Drumrunie Corner, in order to avoid the choppy riding to Lochinver, but followed their GPS and turned right to Kylesku instead of straight on to Lochinver. It pays to carry a map and check the route-sheet if you're doing that sort of thing.


Hmmm. So there may be riders with an incomplete route on their GPS.

Worth knowing ... <whistles> ...

Chambers the Oracle called it.
Sometimes being right isn't important. :(

Not very often though.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: jamesld8 on 10 December, 2014, 07:44:23 pm
So the left turn to enter the awesome bit is here:

https://goo.gl/maps/V8HJk

If you stayed on the main road, you had to dog-leg into Lochinver here - and then come back to this point to take the road up to the right (which is where I assume the Swedish train went wrong):

https://goo.gl/maps/OPy8y

But really, the awesome bit was, well, awesome.  Truly amazing riding.  I couldn't recommend that bit any higher to anyone.

yes that area is wonderful--remember riding along under Stac Pollaidh, and earlier on  riding up Bealach na ba / Applecross road another total amazing place   along Gairloch, Loch Maree etc etc  about 30 years ago on a cycle tour up to Durness / North Coast when @ uni--- :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Banjo on 10 December, 2014, 07:50:31 pm
Watched it twice now. Didnt the riders interviewed all come across as pleasant people? I even warmed to the swede on the 6k bike despite my early preconceptions  ;D
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 10 December, 2014, 08:05:20 pm
So the left turn to enter the awesome bit is here:

https://goo.gl/maps/V8HJk

If you stayed on the main road, you had to dog-leg into Lochinver here - and then come back to this point to take the road up to the right (which is where I assume the Swedish train went wrong):

https://goo.gl/maps/OPy8y

But really, the awesome bit was, well, awesome.  Truly amazing riding.  I couldn't recommend that bit any higher to anyone.

I recommended it here (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=36020.msg677558#msg677558), a few years ago ;)

The second photo pretty much appears in the Adventure Show but at the wrong time.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 10 December, 2014, 08:16:29 pm
So the left turn to enter the awesome bit is here:

https://goo.gl/maps/V8HJk

If you stayed on the main road, you had to dog-leg into Lochinver here - and then come back to this point to take the road up to the right (which is where I assume the Swedish train went wrong):

https://goo.gl/maps/OPy8y

But really, the awesome bit was, well, awesome.  Truly amazing riding.  I couldn't recommend that bit any higher to anyone.

I recommended it here (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=36020.msg677558#msg677558), a few years ago ;)

The second photo pretty much appears in the Adventure Show but at the wrong time.
Was that post made before the invention of Google Maps? (Or other ways to actually show people the route you rode).     ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 10 December, 2014, 08:17:42 pm
It was a DIY. So no route available.  ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 10 December, 2014, 08:24:04 pm
Totally OT, but whilst getting the above URLs, I noticed something Google have done in streetview now - you get a slider up at the top left window that enables you to look at any older images they have.  Cue ages wasted whilst I looked at the death evolution of various high streets around me from 2008 to the present day.  Cool as owt.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Fab Foodie on 10 December, 2014, 08:44:28 pm
What a fab program!

As somebody contemplating longer distance rides, 2 things interested me most and I think also came over quite well in the filum.
Firstly the different strategies based on time/speed/distance that people use to get round the course, and secondly the amount and type of kit carried (which I guess also reflects strategy).  Almost tortoises and hares.
Clearly zigzag just grabs a bike and his pac-a-mac, eats a fresh Duracell battery and just goes.
Others clearly pack for every eventuality including having to sleep in the middle of nowhere.
I guess strategies employed depend on experience and fitness.  zigzag and the Swedish Train, seem to travel light and fast aiming to build buffers for better sleep/recovery prospects (and to better enable their place of rest to be reached at a suitable time).  Did they do less night riding?
Others make more steady progress and seem to operate on less kip/recovery and possibly a more flexible schedule?  Is that kind of how it works?
I guess in between are shades of grey. 
I reckon I'm more tortoise and would tend towards carrying more kit than less ... and I couldn't plan a piss-up in a brewery....

btw - how did the Swedes look so well turned-out day after day and carried nothing?

Anyhow, inspiring stuff that's for sure. Nice to see a few people I 'recognise' and as already stated, everyone seemed so damn decent, no huge ego's, just a lot of dogged determination.  I hope it will do Audax a lot of good.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: rob on 10 December, 2014, 09:04:51 pm
Wish I'd have got Marcus's autograph when I bumped into him on Monday.   He's too famous now.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 10 December, 2014, 09:17:34 pm
thanks FF, i didn't have a strategy as such. it turned out that we (with veloboy, swisshat, angstbremser) did all our riding in daylight, and just two hours in the dark. i carried everything i needed (emergency sleeping bag and liner, food enough for 200k if none was available up north, organic protein powder for recovery, three inner tubes and a spare tyre etc). i enjoy riding unladen bike so much more, therefore try to minimise/eliminate unnecessary stuff. i was able to sleep at two prebooked accomodations - thanks to marcusjb, also at hostels in oban and trantlebeg, so never outside. a very civilised ride for me, shower every night, proper meals en route - top holiday! 8)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Fab Foodie on 10 December, 2014, 09:27:27 pm
thanks FF, i didn't have a strategy as such. it turned out that we (with veloboy, swisshat, angstbremser) did all our riding in daylight, and just two hours in the dark. i carried everything i needed (emergency sleeping bag and liner, food enough for 200k if none was available up north, organic protein powder for recovery, three inner tubes and a spare tyre etc). i enjoy riding unladen bike so much more, therefore try to minimise/eliminate unnecessary stuff. i was able to sleep at two prebooked accomodations - thanks to marcusjb, also at hostels in oban and trantlebeg, so never outside. a very civilised ride for me, shower every night, proper meals en route - top holiday! 8)
Welcome.
I'm going to need to adjust my 'kitchen sink' mentality!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 10 December, 2014, 09:59:15 pm
It often pays to check out route sheets and gpx files. This isn’t the first time I’ve found discrepancies.

Other than the lack of visiting Lochinver, the route sheet differed for about 15-20km after Kyle of Lochalsh. Iddu and another rider whose name slips my mind took the main road route as in the gpx and I took the route sheet route. There was some debate about which to take, and I was glad I took the scenic route as it was very nice. I assume the discrepancies were down to alterations after the original route check was done.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Walter G on 10 December, 2014, 10:14:30 pm
On the ferry to Brodick on monday I remembered simonp saying the gpx file near Lochinver wasn't right.

I had the route sheet with me the moment I got to Lochinver, so I did not miss it.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: gustibus on 10 December, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
Just watched this on iplayer and enjoyed it immensely!

Well done to everyone involved - all the riders came across very well and I thought the film captured both Scotland and Audax really well. Especially as Audax is quite a broad church....

(waits on "no it isn't")
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: DrMekon on 11 December, 2014, 06:32:42 am
Everyone that appeared on this show were great ambassadors to audax and ought to be proud.  You were brilliant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v5hhh

Absolutely. Was such fun to see you lot on the telly.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Trull on 11 December, 2014, 07:00:06 am
My wife and I watched it on iPlayer last night - and what a great program, really well put together showing the audax spirit. All the riders came across really well, and unlike certain so called endurance athletes there were no divas, just a bunch of people getting on with it and just not stopping pedalling.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Drone on 11 December, 2014, 09:12:36 am
We watched the program last night along with a non-cycling friend, who hails from Ardnamurchan. Her reaction was that she must download it from BBC iPlayer to watch again. If this film got wider broadcasting in the UK I think the Scottish Tourist Board would be rubbing there hands with glee.

What a fabulous program. I thought about entering the event but had unfinished business with the Mille Cymru and didn't think I could justify two cycling holidays without the OH. The route covered lots of familiar roads plus some stunning ones I haven't ridden and I just wanted to be out there with the riders. ~Oh well ...next time

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 December, 2014, 09:41:49 am
We watched the program last night along with a non-cycling friend, who hails from Ardnamurchan. Her reaction was that she must download it from BBC iPlayer to watch again. If this film got wider broadcasting in the UK I think the Scottish Tourist Board would be rubbing there hands with glee.



That's pretty much the reaction we got for our Irish 1200 film. They were two sides of the same coin to a large extent, with the Mile Failte being a more supported event, with a more varied entry, and certainly a lot easier film.
A combination of the two would make for an interesting project. Perhaps with some of the Pendle 600 footage, to introduce an English element.

I did consider a ride out to look at the Mille Cymru in Snowdonia, but the weather was poor, and the field would have been very dispersed.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 11 December, 2014, 09:50:17 am
Well that was pretty fantastic and a reminder of about the best 5 days I have had on a bike.  So beautiful and in exceptional weather. 

Beautifully shot and very sympathetic to our understated ways. 

It will hopefully give Audax in Scotland a big boost.  As I said earlier, my own blog has had high traffic the last couple of days with searches for things like "Audax in Scotland", "Scottish Audax" etc.  Hopefully that can be converted into entries on events!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Mike Conway on 11 December, 2014, 10:52:58 am
Is this ride happening again?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: DrMekon on 11 December, 2014, 10:53:56 am
Good publicity for Willesden CC too.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mcshroom on 11 December, 2014, 10:57:11 am
Are all the Scottish events in the calendar yet? I'm specifically hoping for the Deeside Loop and Amulree for Tea to reappear over May Bank Holiday weekend. :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 11 December, 2014, 11:21:35 am
I think the deadline for events in next 6 months is Jan 4 or some such
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bobbinogs on 11 December, 2014, 11:22:41 am
Fantastic programme.  I thought the photography was stunning and such great quality.  It made me really want to get out on my bike...but then I have just looked out of the window and thought "perhaps I will turbo later whilst watching the programme again instead"  :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: menthel on 11 December, 2014, 11:30:05 am
Really enjoyed the show. Understated and yet gave that "audacious" feeling. The scenery was wonderful too! If only I had the time and fitness to do such things.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 11 December, 2014, 11:33:10 am
Is this ride happening again?

2016 - sounding like it'll run as a 1200 with a few tweaks to timing/route

The National 400 looks to use quite a few roads that we used on this ride, so could be a good option for 2015.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 December, 2014, 01:10:22 pm
Is this ride happening again?
Nothing happens in pbp years,  so next time  will be July 2016.

As with all BlackSheep events - weather guaranteed. :smug:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 11 December, 2014, 02:22:27 pm
Are all the Scottish events in the calendar yet? I'm specifically hoping for the Deeside Loop and Amulree for Tea to reappear over May Bank Holiday weekend. :)

I'm waiting for those too...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 11 December, 2014, 04:13:21 pm
My "babbage engines"* have never got on well with iPlayer in TV flavours. Haven't tried it recently.
I believe it lets you download (as well as stream) these days - is this time limited by some evil DRMage? Can I keep a copy to watch in Mid-Jan to remind me what the sun looks like?



[I'm also hoping that nice Feanor chap will setup an illicit download site ...  :-* ]


*(c) Mayor Larrington
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bobbinogs on 11 December, 2014, 04:38:56 pm
I'm afraid that whilst iPlayer will let you download content it is then bound into a timer expiry rule.  Most content will delete within 30 days which helps the beeb cover off any copyright issues whilst protecting future sales, etc.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 11 December, 2014, 05:04:09 pm
I'm also hoping that nice Feanor chap will setup an illicit download site ...  :-*

Whilst I can neither confirm nor deny anything, rule nothing in or out, and all options remain on the table...

But a hypothetical upload to a hypothetical file-sharing service would run rather slowly on account of my poor ADSL speeds.
Were such a thing to take most of the evening, I'd let you know when it was done.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 11 December, 2014, 05:13:50 pm
Are all the Scottish events in the calendar yet? I'm specifically hoping for the Deeside Loop and Amulree for Tea to reappear over May Bank Holiday weekend. :)

I'm waiting for those too...
id doubt these events will be on, the 200 could have been a PBP qualifier but the deadline for those was September.  Could be a BR event still spose.

I'd plans in hand for Mille alba 2016 starting in ballachulish and had gone as far as having the event hq booked, but withdrew it from the planner when the 1200 appeared just down the road and 2 weeks apart.  Might put it on in 2017 now. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 December, 2014, 05:40:17 pm
I'll be looking for a 600 qualifier to film, so a trip North has a lot of appeal.

It will fill in the gaps left by the Mull it Over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlUNP8MjNY
and Portmahomack 400 2011.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7oDiNUveE


I'm four years on from those films, and they were published within days of the events. Quality has gone up, and there seems to be a tolerance for very long lead times. I'm attracted by some sort of crowd funding to cover the costs of upping quality. We fancy moving up to 4K.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 December, 2014, 06:34:50 pm
The team at Triple Echo Productions are amongst the hardest working you will find anywhere. In escence the programme belongs to the BBC whilst it's on iplayer, however, Meg has not ruled out the programme could be released as a DVD at sometime in the future.

These guys have a living to make, so give them a bit of time, You never know, there might be a little something else.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 December, 2014, 07:10:10 pm
Obviously, I second that sentiment. I've got a very clear idea of how much work there is in a film like that. It would look stunning in Blu-Ray. But the economics of that would need backing up by a DVD market as well.

That's something of a dying market, hence the crowd funding model adopted by some.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Collonach on 11 December, 2014, 09:31:41 pm
IMHO the 'best' part of the whole ride was missed by the Swedish train, and a few others who took an 'easier' by-pass: the loop through the Aird of Coigach, past Stac Pollaidh, turn right at Badnagyle up a narrow unfenced road shared only with a few drowsy sheep, then coming round several sharp bends your eyes fell on another lochan half covered in white water lilies set against the dark peaty water and the black rocks, then a winding descent to the coast road that wound around the cliffs and bays to Lochinver. Well worth a detour. And a good feed at the Coop  :)

The Adventure progs sometimes appear later on Youtube. The last few months editions are well worth watching, with a triathlon starting with a swim across Loch Torridon, and the Highland Cross duathlon through Glen Affric, if you can still get them on i-player. Maybe AUK would negotiate with Triple Echo to have the film more widely available.

I think most riders had accom at Oban and Gairloch; I used the SYHA, tho had difficulty finding the latter when arriving tired in the dark. Then Trantlebeg. I never reached the Glencoe SYHA, as mentioned upthread, preferring a lochside bench. It seems that some struggled during the day with the heat, tho I was not bothered, and warm nights were just fine for cycling, not too cold IMHO, and the absence of rain was a real and unexpected blessing.

Non cycling friends have commented that the focus on the Swedish train and just a few riders [8 were tagged] meant that they did not see the range of folk involved. Tradeoff for continuity I guess.

This year's National400 in July will give a good taster of some fine hieland roads too, for those who have been inspired.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on 11 December, 2014, 11:21:04 pm
Just watched the program on i-player. It just looked wonderful. Well done to all those who took part.
Hopefully if this runs again I'll have the time to ride it.
I rather think the weather was a once in a lifetime opportunity though!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 11 December, 2014, 11:29:06 pm
I have no particular reason to post anything, but  sometimes my typing stinks:

[removed]

This is a .ts file, direct from my PVR box, un-edited.  It plays in Win7 media player.
It seems to crash ConvertXtoDVD.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 11 December, 2014, 11:30:57 pm
Just watched it for the second time. One point is that you shouldn't take ibuprofen after a fall. It works as an anti-inflammatory by making platelets slip over each other, so it makes bruising worse.

I did the same once and got told off by the nurse.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Fab Foodie on 11 December, 2014, 11:43:22 pm
Well that was pretty fantastic and a reminder of about the best 5 days I have had on a bike.  So beautiful and in exceptional weather. 

Beautifully shot and very sympathetic to our understated ways. 

5 days of torrential Scottish rain would have told quite a different story!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jannetuba on 12 December, 2014, 08:05:08 am
Hi all,

I'm the Swedish guy. Just wanted to say a big thank you to all participants in the event and especially to Mark. All of you, the scenery, the weather, the cycling, my travel companions etc made this the best cycling week I ever had. When we, the Swedes, talk about Scotland we always talk about going back to Scotland. Our goals during the week was to have a good time and cycle fast enough to be able to have brakes for some nice dinners, beers and maybe a couple of glasses of whiskey. I think we managed that well enough. The only regret is that I did not have more time to get to know the other riders, but everyone had their own plan and pace to keep.

As for the Adventure Show program, I think it was brilliant (I know I'm not objective here, but hey, it was brilliant). I feel some relief that they edited away the more stupid things I said in front of the camera. I think it wasn't easy to get questions, and answering them, in a foreign language whilst tired after some cycling. So I'm happy about it.

Rimas (I think you'll read this)! Have your father found the page for the cycling club in Strängnäs? He can check it out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/strangnasck/
He does not need to feel nervous about contacting the club. We have cyclist ranging all the way from beginners to not so fast. I'm the only one doing longer distances.

If anyone has the patience/strength to use google translate on a Swedish blog, then you can read my posts about the event beginning here: http://cykelovin.blogspot.se/2014/07/the-highlands-glens-western-islesdag-1.html

Hopefully I will meet some of you at PBP next year.

All the best

Jan
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: swiss hat on 12 December, 2014, 09:32:29 am
Jan,
It was good to share some time with you guys before the ride and on the road during days 1 & 2.
A memorable journey for all I think.
Til the next time!
Martin
Willesden CC
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 12 December, 2014, 11:02:23 am
I finally caught up with this on i player last night
 
Inspirational stuff and a very good attempt at getting into the "why do we do it".

As long as Dave_C doesnt pitch up at my next event with his entourage.....or with his top off. 

Of course, theres an event coming up next June in Kintyre & Ardnamurchan that covers some of the same roads - 
 
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-3/

Entries open 5th January 2015.

 

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 December, 2014, 11:04:44 am
How much longer is the programme available on iplayer for? I won't be able to watch it till next week, probably.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: tonyh on 12 December, 2014, 11:08:38 am
About another 25 days I think.

Don't miss it!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 December, 2014, 11:27:27 am
I finally caught up with this on i player last night
 
Inspirational stuff and a very good attempt at getting into the "why do we do it".

As long as Dave_C doesnt pitch up at my next event with his entourage.....or with his top off. 

Of course, theres an event coming up next June in Kintyre & Ardnamurchan that covers some of the same roads - 
 
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-3/

Entries open 5th January 2015.

 



That's the one that looks best for me to think about filming. I've never been to Kintyre. Colin and Sonya are coming round tonight, so I'll get some info from Colin.

I was struck by the similarity of many of the shots to those I filmed from the bike on your 300 in 2011. Short film already linked to to a couple of times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlUNP8MjNY
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 December, 2014, 01:15:39 pm
I have no particular reason to post anything, but  sometimes my typing stinks:

(LINK REMOVED) 12/12/14 @ 18:00[/b]

This is a .ts file, direct from my PVR box, un-edited.  It plays in Win7 media player.
It seems to crash ConvertXtoDVD.

Well that rather fucks-up any point in anyone bothering to produce copies to buy.

I was worried at one point that the iplayer version wasn't obtainable. Hence the naive request for a copy to view in South Midlandshire. The programme was an interesting watch.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Aunt Maud on 12 December, 2014, 02:14:17 pm
That's syndication without a licence and is a breach of copyright, you can be done for that.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 12 December, 2014, 02:44:22 pm
All that sort of thing is why I'd like to move to some sort of crowd-funding, so I can just give stuff away, while upping production values.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: zigzag on 12 December, 2014, 02:54:41 pm
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Rimas (I think you'll read this)! Have your father found the page for the cycling club in Strängnäs? He can check it out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/strangnasck/
He does not need to feel nervous about contacting the club. We have cyclist ranging all the way from beginners to not so fast. I'm the only one doing longer distances.

If anyone has the patience/strength to use google translate on a Swedish blog, then you can read my posts about the event beginning here: http://cykelovin.blogspot.se/2014/07/the-highlands-glens-western-islesdag-1.html

it was good fun riding with you guys, glad you made it round and got validated. thanks for getting back regarding the cycling club, i'll forward him the links (dad's on holiday away now until the 11/01) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 12 December, 2014, 03:17:39 pm
I have no particular reason to post anything, but  sometimes my typing stinks:

[removed]

This is a .ts file, direct from my PVR box, un-edited.  It plays in Win7 media player.
It seems to crash ConvertXtoDVD.

Well that rather fucks-up any point in anyone bothering to produce copies to buy.

I was worried at one point that the iplayer version wasn't obtainable. Hence the naive request for a copy to view in South Midlandshire. The programme was an interesting watch.

It'll be removed soon, for that reason.
ETA: it's un-shared now ( but still on the server ).

It's not in a format which is easily sold, like DVD.

It was only put up for a short while to enable people who can't get iPlayer to grab a copy.


Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Simon E on 12 December, 2014, 05:57:35 pm
It's not in a format which is easily sold, like DVD.

It was only put up for a short while to enable people who can't get iPlayer to grab a copy.

Crap excuses.

I understand your likely motives but I think you should consider why copyright matters to people who create music, images, video etc to pay their bills.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 12 December, 2014, 06:23:33 pm
Like I said, it's been taken down.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: The Bonk on 12 December, 2014, 08:05:08 pm
Apologies for the slight derail. But I wondered if you might want these Marcus? I don't want anything for them. Bought them with some Audax patches at a jumble earlier in the year. Seeing your jersey on the programme reminded me I had them.

(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/The-Bonk/FullSizeRender_zps98e6824d.jpg)

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Banjo on 12 December, 2014, 08:14:28 pm
Hi all,

I'm the Swedish guy. Just wanted to say a big thank you to all participants in the event and especially to Mark. All of you, the scenery, the weather, the cycling, my travel companions etc made this the best cycling week I ever had. When we, the Swedes, talk about Scotland we always talk about going back to Scotland. Our goals during the week was to have a good time and cycle fast enough to be able to have brakes for some nice dinners, beers and maybe a couple of glasses of whiskey. I think we managed that well enough. The only regret is that I did not have more time to get to know the other riders, but everyone had their own plan and pace to keep.

As for the Adventure Show program, I think it was brilliant (I know I'm not objective here, but hey, it was brilliant). I feel some relief that they edited away the more stupid things I said in front of the camera. I think it wasn't easy to get questions, and answering them, in a foreign language whilst tired after some cycling. So I'm happy about it.

Rimas (I think you'll read this)! Have your father found the page for the cycling club in Strängnäs? He can check it out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/strangnasck/
He does not need to feel nervous about contacting the club. We have cyclist ranging all the way from beginners to not so fast. I'm the only one doing longer distances.

If anyone has the patience/strength to use google translate on a Swedish blog, then you can read my posts about the event beginning here: http://cykelovin.blogspot.se/2014/07/the-highlands-glens-western-islesdag-1.html

Hopefully I will meet some of you at PBP next year.

All the best

Jan

Hello Jan

When I watched the film in the early part with you showing off your expensive bike I thought lets see how chirpy you are later.

Seeing you sat around enjoying your meals and beer  with your friends and laughing and joking as if you had just done a 20 km spin around the park I was completely in awe.

As someone who only does the shorter audaxes I take my hat off to all the riders on such a tough event.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 12 December, 2014, 08:18:40 pm
I finally caught up with this on i player last night
 
Inspirational stuff and a very good attempt at getting into the "why do we do it".

As long as Dave_C doesnt pitch up at my next event with his entourage.....or with his top off. 

Of course, theres an event coming up next June in Kintyre & Ardnamurchan that covers some of the same roads - 
 
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-3/

Entries open 5th January 2015.

 



That's the one that looks best for me to think about filming. I've never been to Kintyre. Colin and Sonya are coming round tonight, so I'll get some info from Colin.

I was struck by the similarity of many of the shots to those I filmed from the bike on your 300 in 2011. Short film already linked to to a couple of times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlUNP8MjNY

Hi. 

I would prefer it if there was no filming of the Mull Of Kintyre 600 on the basis being proposed. 

There are many riders that don't like being filmed however they tend to be less vocal than those who get all excited by the presence of a camera.   
     
This event is the only PBP qualifying 600 in Scotland next year and I don't want anything detracting from the main priority.

Thanks   

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jannetuba on 12 December, 2014, 08:49:26 pm
Quote
Hello Jan

When I watched the film in the early part with you showing off your expensive bike I thought lets see how chirpy you are later.

Seeing you sat around enjoying your meals and beer  with your friends and laughing and joking as if you had just done a 20 km spin around the park I was completely in awe.

As someone who only does the shorter audaxes I take my hat off to all the riders on such a tough event.

Hi and thanks for the kind words!

I did not like my self in that part of the program, but I think they showed in a fun way the contrast of bikes and riders, so I liked it anyway. What didn't come through was that I talked a bit ironically about the features of the bike. What was definitely edited out was when I told them that I bought the bike this summer, that it is the 2012 model, that it had no wheels, and that I bought it at a heavily reduced price (like a third of 6k) :) Anyway, I thought it was a fun.

One other thing about the interview in Stockholm. When I got home to my wife I told her: "Hey, I had a grumpy old man speech and rant about how everything must be fun these days and that everything has to be easy. They will never have that in the program." Imagine my surprise when they showed it already in the preview.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 12 December, 2014, 08:52:59 pm
I finally caught up with this on i player last night
 
Inspirational stuff and a very good attempt at getting into the "why do we do it".

As long as Dave_C doesnt pitch up at my next event with his entourage.....or with his top off. 

Of course, theres an event coming up next June in Kintyre & Ardnamurchan that covers some of the same roads - 
 
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-3/

Entries open 5th January 2015.

 



That's the one that looks best for me to think about filming. I've never been to Kintyre. Colin and Sonya are coming round tonight, so I'll get some info from Colin.

I was struck by the similarity of many of the shots to those I filmed from the bike on your 300 in 2011. Short film already linked to to a couple of times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlUNP8MjNY

Hi. 

I would prefer it if there was no filming of the Mull Of Kintyre 600 on the basis being proposed. 

There are many riders that don't like being filmed however they tend to be less vocal than those who get all excited by the presence of a camera.   
     
This event is the only PBP qualifying 600 in Scotland next year and I don't want anything detracting from the main priority.

Thanks   



I think that's a fair decision to make as an organiser.   I DNFed on the half light and I think that part of the issue was the emotional energy I expended while being interviewed climbing Glen Coe. At least that wasn't a PBP year.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: valkyrie on 12 December, 2014, 10:07:11 pm
What I learned from this programme: you don't need to get to controls within the time limits and in fact you don't need to go to controls at all. Have I being doing audax wrong?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 12 December, 2014, 10:19:17 pm
Well, I know I've been doing it wrong!
I think a better interpretation is:

"Don't film it. 
What happened on the ride stays on the ride.
The org has discretion for a reason, and his decision is final."
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2014, 10:47:56 pm
I have no particular reason to post anything, but  sometimes my typing stinks:

[removed]

This is a .ts file, direct from my PVR box, un-edited.  It plays in Win7 media player.
It seems to crash ConvertXtoDVD.

Well that rather fucks-up any point in anyone bothering to produce copies to buy.

I was worried at one point that the iplayer version wasn't obtainable. Hence the naive request for a copy to view in South Midlandshire. The programme was an interesting watch.

It'll be removed soon, for that reason.
ETA: it's un-shared now ( but still on the server ).

It's not in a format which is easily sold, like DVD.

It was only put up for a short while to enable people who can't get iPlayer to grab a copy.
This all seems a little over the top,  and rather harsh on Mr Feanor. I feel I need to speak up here:

I did make some unsubtle enquiries to our Honourable Friend. This may well have been what prompted him to advertise this service. I'm happy to take any flak - he was only trying to help out fellow long distance nutters.
(and it's nice to see a hand extended across the border! ;)   )

So give him a brealk - he took the thing down, and there are hundreds of piratical downloaders on YACF alone. If you want to bang on about copyright and piracy, please flame me - but PM/email me, or start a relevant thread.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 12 December, 2014, 10:57:24 pm
Don't worry, matt, I think you are safe at least from the invective of simon e.

At least for another 18 months until his 5th  post is due ;)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Pingu on 12 December, 2014, 11:12:15 pm
...I did not like my self...

Someone appreciated you  ;)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7465/16005448241_82d5b9842b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qom79a)
IMG_1508 (https://flic.kr/p/qom79a) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/people/36539950@N00/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Feanor on 12 December, 2014, 11:21:13 pm
I have no particular reason to post anything, but  sometimes my typing stinks:

[removed]

This is a .ts file, direct from my PVR box, un-edited.  It plays in Win7 media player.
It seems to crash ConvertXtoDVD.

Well that rather fucks-up any point in anyone bothering to produce copies to buy.

I was worried at one point that the iplayer version wasn't obtainable. Hence the naive request for a copy to view in South Midlandshire. The programme was an interesting watch.

It'll be removed soon, for that reason.
ETA: it's un-shared now ( but still on the server ).

It's not in a format which is easily sold, like DVD.

It was only put up for a short while to enable people who can't get iPlayer to grab a copy.
This all seems a little over the top,  and rather harsh on Mr Feanor. I feel I need to speak up here:

I did make some unsubtle enquiries to our Honourable Friend. This may well have been what prompted him to advertise this service. I'm happy to take any flak - he was only trying to help out fellow long distance nutters.
(and it's nice to see a hand extended across the border! ;)   )

So give him a brealk - he took the thing down, and there are hundreds of piratical downloaders on YACF alone. If you want to bang on about copyright and piracy, please flame me - but PM/email me, or start a relevant thread.

I don't want to continue the discussion of this here.
It's detracting from the achievements of the folks who did this ride.
I'll start a discussion in a non-public place for anyone who wishes to continue this discussion.

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 12 December, 2014, 11:44:56 pm
What I learned from this programme: you don't need to get to controls within the time limits and in fact you don't need to go to controls at all. Have I being doing audax wrong?
You could have drawn the same conclusionh from PBP07 or LEL09 - keep up. :)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 12 December, 2014, 11:52:13 pm
I'd heard that this ride was never designed to be able to be ridden while adhering to all of the AUK rules, so what they did is pick the rules that they felt were appropriate, given the type of ride it was i.e. hilly, remote, Scottish.  For example it wasn't a free for all,  the chap that turned up on a moped and rode the route did not get his brevet validated at the end. He got the medal but not the 13 points, which I think was fair - he did miss out Durness control as well though.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 13 December, 2014, 12:33:32 am
Normally if you are late at a control an explanation is required. I think in this case it was obvious why people were late at controls - solely because of the ferry at Oban. I'm not sure it is possible to pick a start time that would completely remove this problem as you have to consider the Mallaig ferry and the Dunoon ferry also.

However, the ferries made the ride more challenging, not less, so refusing validation because of being late at some controls would not be in the spirit of Audax IMO. Personally I tried to avoid being late after Tobrrmory but missed the cut-off at Spean Bridge by a matter of minutes. At PBP07 riders were given more leeway at intermediate controls because of the conditions. This is not really a different situation.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 13 December, 2014, 12:49:52 am
I finally caught up with this on i player last night
 
Inspirational stuff and a very good attempt at getting into the "why do we do it".

As long as Dave_C doesnt pitch up at my next event with his entourage.....or with his top off. 

Of course, theres an event coming up next June in Kintyre & Ardnamurchan that covers some of the same roads - 
 
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/15-3/

Entries open 5th January 2015.

 



That's the one that looks best for me to think about filming. I've never been to Kintyre. Colin and Sonya are coming round tonight, so I'll get some info from Colin.

I was struck by the similarity of many of the shots to those I filmed from the bike on your 300 in 2011. Short film already linked to to a couple of times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlUNP8MjNY

Hi. 

I would prefer it if there was no filming of the Mull Of Kintyre 600 on the basis being proposed. 

There are many riders that don't like being filmed however they tend to be less vocal than those who get all excited by the presence of a camera.   
     
This event is the only PBP qualifying 600 in Scotland next year and I don't want anything detracting from the main priority.

Thanks   

Suits me in many ways. The Pendle 600 starts within 15 miles of where I live. I can film that ride and help at the control. I've booked onto one of Chris Crosslend's qualifying 600s from Mytholmroyd. I've always enjoyed those.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: recumbentim on 13 December, 2014, 01:33:31 am
Were the Swedish trio under distance?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 December, 2014, 06:56:03 am
Chapeau to all who finished the ride, great achievement and a great film.

The title of the thread/event leads me to believe that the ride visited the Western Isles, but I didn't see any evidence on the route or film though? This was also commented on by my work colleagues and fellow Hebridean Cycle Club members who watched the programme. As someone who lives in the Western Isles, organises events here, and has completed a Lewis/Harris SR series that was disappointing.

Highlands, Glens and Hebrides or Highlands, Glens and Islands would have been more appropriate. Hopefully the geographically inaccurate event name wont set a precedent for other organisers looking to spice up their ride. 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 13 December, 2014, 08:06:36 am
Awesome.

Here we have by far the biggest exposure for audaxing in the UK, nationally available and from the biggest broadcaster in the land, utterly positive, beautiful and enchanting, not only that but trumping in one fell hand the collective publicity efforts of the entire AUK organisation.....

......and here you all are getting ready to descend into another pointless and petty bickering session over frankly minor aspects.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 December, 2014, 08:21:13 am
Awesome.

Here we have by far the biggest exposure for audaxing in the UK, nationally available and from the biggest broadcaster in the land, utterly positive, beautiful and enchanting, not only that but trumping in one fell hand the collective publicity efforts of the entire AUK organisation.....

......and here you all are getting ready to descend into another pointless and petty bickering session over frankly minor aspects.

Hear hear.

I can only comment on the search data to my own blog, but interest in Audax, particularly in Scotland appears to have been knocked out of the park since this broadcast.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 December, 2014, 08:22:54 am
Apologies for the slight derail. But I wondered if you might want these Marcus? I don't want anything for them. Bought them with some Audax patches at a jumble earlier in the year. Seeing your jersey on the programme reminded me I had them.

(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/The-Bonk/FullSizeRender_zps98e6824d.jpg)

Ooh, I would be interested! Would look great on the saddlebag. Very kind.  I will drop you a PM.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 December, 2014, 08:27:58 am
Awesome.

Here we have by far the biggest exposure for audaxing in the UK, nationally available and from the biggest broadcaster in the land, utterly positive, beautiful and enchanting, not only that but trumping in one fell hand the collective publicity efforts of the entire AUK organisation.....

......and here you all are getting ready to descend into another pointless and petty bickering session over frankly minor aspects.

Hear hear.

I can only comment on the search data to my own blog, but interest in Audax, particularly in Scotland appears to have been knocked out of the park since this broadcast.

The Scottish calander is relatively sparse for summer 2015
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Aunt Maud on 13 December, 2014, 08:37:45 am
Time to put on an SR series and a 1000 Mr. Windy.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 December, 2014, 08:43:43 am
Time to put on an SR series and a 1000 Mr. Windy.

Indeed. Plans for a couple of grimpeur events in Harris in August - hopefully they'll be on the calendar by the new year.

Have plans for a 400 and 600 too (including Barra and the uists), but will need to apply to upgrade my organiser status before I can run them as events

As for a 1,000? mmmm............... stop putting ideas into my head.

:)

Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: salar55 on 13 December, 2014, 09:16:17 am
And how many times round the Golden road will that take?  Lots of rolling hills apart from climb out of Tarbet  and back for the rest of the Outer Hebrides 

Thing it's about time Audax got its act together, getting to a point where each type of event has its own special rules.

About time all events returned to 15 km min speed for all distances.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 December, 2014, 09:29:07 am
And how many times round the Golden road will that take?  Lots of rolling hills apart from climb out of Tarbet  and back for the rest of the Outer Hebrides 

Thing it's about time Audax got its act together, getting to a point where each type of event has its own special rules.

About time all events returned to 15 km min speed for all distances.

I've done a 600km that didn't include the Golden Road. Out and backs are unavoidable but I didn't have to re-use the same road in the same direction - and I still had options to go further. It's amazing what can be achieved with knowledge and planning.

http://ridewithgps.com/trips/3481046
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: salar55 on 13 December, 2014, 09:40:40 am
Had a look at the 600 route.
See its out and back to Leverburgh, why is the Golden road missed out .One of the best cycling roads on the islands
What's the route for the hilly rides?
The best dead end road is also missed out Husinish along West Loch Tarbet
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Aunt Maud on 13 December, 2014, 09:48:08 am
There must be loads of good dirt tracks on Harris.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: salar55 on 13 December, 2014, 09:53:21 am
Auntie Maud this is you chance to run an off road audax ,not been one in Scotland since the 90ies.
Dirt tracks on Harris and Lewis would be stalkers paths .
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Aunt Maud on 13 December, 2014, 09:55:56 am
Aunt Maud lives on the other side of the North Sea, but would love to get over to Scotland some time soon.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 13 December, 2014, 10:00:42 am
Apologies for the slight derail. But I wondered if you might want these Marcus? I don't want anything for them. Bought them with some Audax patches at a jumble earlier in the year. Seeing your jersey on the programme reminded me I had them.

(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/The-Bonk/FullSizeRender_zps98e6824d.jpg)

Ooh, I would be interested! Would look great on the saddlebag. Very kind.  I will drop you a PM.

If I can find them, I might have some of those hiding in a cupboard.
They would be free to a good home...
... but I'd need to find them.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 December, 2014, 10:00:54 am
a 160km

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/6540513

and a 100km

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5953383
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Jaded on 13 December, 2014, 10:03:01 am
Awesome.

Here we have by far the biggest exposure for audaxing in the UK, nationally available and from the biggest broadcaster in the land, utterly positive, beautiful and enchanting, not only that but trumping in one fell hand the collective publicity efforts of the entire AUK organisation.....

......and here you all are getting ready to descend into another pointless and petty bickering session over frankly minor aspects.

Have to agree with this.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 December, 2014, 10:05:31 am
Apologies for the slight derail. But I wondered if you might want these Marcus? I don't want anything for them. Bought them with some Audax patches at a jumble earlier in the year. Seeing your jersey on the programme reminded me I had them.


Ooh, I would be interested! Would look great on the saddlebag. Very kind.  I will drop you a PM.

If I can find them, I might have some of those hiding in a cupboard.
They would be free to a good home...
... but I'd need to find them.

The Bonk has very kindly popped them in the post, so I will have to get the sewing kit out!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 13 December, 2014, 10:08:20 am
Apologies for the slight derail. But I wondered if you might want these Marcus? I don't want anything for them. Bought them with some Audax patches at a jumble earlier in the year. Seeing your jersey on the programme reminded me I had them.


Ooh, I would be interested! Would look great on the saddlebag. Very kind.  I will drop you a PM.

If I can find them, I might have some of those hiding in a cupboard.
They would be free to a good home...
... but I'd need to find them.

The Bonk has very kindly popped them in the post, so I will have to get the sewing kit out!

There might be others who'd like some, if I find them...
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 December, 2014, 10:40:34 am
Normally if you are late at a control an explanation is required. I think in this case it was obvious why people were late at controls - solely because of the ferry at Oban. I'm not sure it is possible to pick a start time that would completely remove this problem as you have to consider the Mallaig ferry and the Dunoon ferry also.

However, the ferries made the ride more challenging, not less, so refusing validation because of being late at some controls would not be in the spirit of Audax IMO. Personally I tried to avoid being late after Tobrrmory but missed the cut-off at Spean Bridge by a matter of minutes. At PBP07 riders were given more leeway at intermediate controls because of the conditions. This is not really a different situation.

It is quite a different situation.

At PBP, the event is set up so that riders are capable of being at every control between their opening and closing times, save for exceptional circumstances for a minority of participants. The Scottish ride is the only event I know of where every single rider arrived at a control (or multiple controls) outside of their opening and closing times. The fastest went too fast and everybody else timed out at intermediate controls.

In most randonneuring countries, brevet cards are taken away from riders who don't reach even a single intermediate control while it is open. It is the major reason for the low finish rate (around 50% DNF) at both editions of Audax Oz's Sydney-Melbourne 1200.

I would like to continue this discussion in a less public area, despite the film crew telling the world that every single person involved with this event failed to follow the rules. I will delete this post later today.

.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: MercuryKev on 13 December, 2014, 12:04:53 pm
Awesome.

Here we have by far the biggest exposure for audaxing in the UK, nationally available and from the biggest broadcaster in the land, utterly positive, beautiful and enchanting, not only that but trumping in one fell hand the collective publicity efforts of the entire AUK organisation.....

......and here you all are getting ready to descend into another pointless and petty bickering session over frankly minor aspects.

Frankly minor = every single rider was technically a DNF based on the rules of the sport.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 13 December, 2014, 12:25:52 pm
Don't forget the name of the event being wrong! I for one am tempted to hand back my 13points over that fiasco  >:(
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: IanDG on 13 December, 2014, 12:26:51 pm
Who is this Frank Ly Minor and what is his membership number? Can he not have is membership rescinded for blatant disregard of the organistion rules?
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hot Flatus on 13 December, 2014, 12:30:57 pm
Awesome.

Here we have by far the biggest exposure for audaxing in the UK, nationally available and from the biggest broadcaster in the land, utterly positive, beautiful and enchanting, not only that but trumping in one fell hand the collective publicity efforts of the entire AUK organisation.....

......and here you all are getting ready to descend into another pointless and petty bickering session over frankly minor aspects.

Frankly minor = every single rider was technically a DNF based on the rules of the sport.

And yet you can do an audax on a motor powered bike and its valid.

And people wonder why audax only exists in the shadows of the biggest active sporting boom this century.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 13 December, 2014, 12:54:11 pm
You know what they say - no publicity is bad publicity!

We'd never get to 38 pages (that's over a page-per-rider) without the nit-picking and pedantry.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 December, 2014, 01:03:04 pm
You know what they say - no publicity is bad publicity!

We'd never get to 38 pages (that's over a page-per-rider) without the nit-picking and pedantry.

Hate to point out your post is on page 39. Please check your facts next time, these details are important Matt.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: mattc on 13 December, 2014, 01:25:42 pm
You know what they say - no publicity is bad publicity!

We'd never get to 38 pages (that's over a page-per-rider) without the nit-picking and pedantry.

Hate to point out your post is on page 39. Please check your facts next time, these details are important Matt.
You did the right thing. It was for my own good.


In future I shall refer to this event as "The Highlands', Glen's & Western Isle's "
That should get us to 100 pages, and probably keep us on the front page until PBP entries open.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: simonp on 13 December, 2014, 01:29:27 pm
Quick someone, delete a post!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 December, 2014, 01:31:35 pm
You know what they say - no publicity is bad publicity!

We'd never get to 38 pages (that's over a page-per-rider) without the nit-picking and pedantry.

Hate to point out your post is on page 39. Please check your facts next time, these details are important Matt.
You did the right thing. It was for my own good.


In future I shall refer to this event as "The Highlands', Glen's & Western Isle's "
That should get us to 100 pages, and probably keep us on the front page until PBP entries open.

As the Oracle, I am reluctant to call you out on this, but I do think 100 pages is optimistic. I think at least 50 pages of the internet could be filled with discussion on regulation 32.7.9 sub-clause A with regards to this ride.

PBP has been cancelled anyway. No ferries you see. New rules.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Redlight on 13 December, 2014, 01:41:08 pm
Very enjoyable programme.

It was bucketing down yesterday morning so I stayed indoors and watched it during a spinning session. I have to say that I'm convinced there were some parts that had me pedalling harder than usual  :).  It's a shame that it won't be shown on a UK-wide channel - although given the logjam of 600s next year already, that may be a good thing!
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 December, 2014, 02:09:08 pm
Quick someone, delete a post!

Or go one better and delete the whole bloody topic.

Looking back, 36 of us that's 29 riders, Meg, Five camera operators and me had a good time in great weather and wonderful countryside.

Come-on Hummers, lock the topic. I'm getting bored.


HUMMERS
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ian H on 13 December, 2014, 03:05:00 pm
If it isn't the midges biting, it's the nits picking.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 13 December, 2014, 03:30:36 pm
Last time I saw Hummers he was looking a little wobbly with a bunch of tinsel stuck up his....oh never mind (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Qqj5Xz7V-69IZjORE_I1MAnUp_BEhM_tz2wSM2dWd5A=w105-h140-p)
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 13 December, 2014, 04:03:54 pm
The biggest problem with this ride is what the heck can top it?

It was one of the best bike rides ever, the scenery, the weather, the people, everything was just fabulous.  It was far above and beyond what else is going on in AUK world that it makes most of the events on in the calendar look pretty pedestrian in comparison.  Having had quite a big year last year and hitting the heights of the Pyrenean ride and then focusing on the 24 this year and, as an added bonus, spending the best week riding in Scotland, it makes next year look pretty drab at the moment.  Sure, the French ride will be fun, but maybe because it's winter and rubbish, I am hardly excited about next year in the same way.  I may have to make up my own fun and have a few ideas that I am playing about with for next year.  Seeing the film has made me a little melancholic about everything as it reminded me just how good that ride was and the possibility of other orgs putting on something so out there is small. 

As I said on the documentary, at the end of these really hard rides, you can feel a little lost.  I guess I still do after experiencing something so near perfection.  I'll find my groove again - hopefully soon as I am off touring for a few weeks now! 
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 13 December, 2014, 04:17:44 pm
That's what happens when self-actualisation occurs without going through the other steps on Maslow's ladder, it turns your head.

It's a pity they weren't filming a Tom Hanley ride. Failure to complete is part of the story. I remember the faces of the riders who'd missed a secret control and were told about it at Drumlanrig 50 km later on a 400 Km PBP qualifier. The film-makers had the opportunity to tell that story, but had invested a lot of effort into the Swedes. The other riders who stopped didn't rate a mention.

It has occurred to me that a combination of the Three Coasts 600 and the Pendle 600, run consecutively as a 1200 would be a difficult ride that's easier to support.
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Hummers on 13 December, 2014, 07:11:25 pm
Thread locked by request of the organiser and thread originator.

A shame as it largely reflects on what seemed like a great event - top job Mr Blacksheep  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: The Highlands, Glens & Western Isles - Monday, July 21st 2014
Post by: Ruthie on 13 December, 2014, 07:12:25 pm
Oh, what a shame.  I loved watching this event on the telly.  Congratulations to the riders and organisers.