Author Topic: Is This The End Of Retail?  (Read 65310 times)

Torslanda

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #150 on: 01 November, 2018, 03:43:07 pm »
Once we fall through the trapdoor of oblivion EVERYTHING will rise in price because - whether it's true or not - falling though the trapdoor of oblivion will be to blame.

Don't want to get into POBI territory but suffice to say that the gammon will get well and truly roasted.
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Well that's the more blunt way of putting it but as usual he's dead right.

Jaded

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #151 on: 01 November, 2018, 04:38:10 pm »

Would this not be a worse situation - as you would still have online shopping, but just a multitude of small, crap, badly-written websites and different attitudes to delivery, customer service, and returns - rather than one.

Well, that might be better than the one crap, badly written website and terrible attitudes to delivery, customer service and returns that  you get with Amazon.

 :-\ what delivery/customer service/returns issues have you had with amazon? Not saying there aren't any, just curious as to what they are, 'cos I find them pretty convenient and quibble free.
My main issue with them is they tend to have an over-abundance of low-end / cheap chinese products, but are more lacking in higher-end, latest, quality, and well-known-brand stuff.

The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #152 on: 01 November, 2018, 04:44:30 pm »
The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

You say that as if it's a bad thing...

TheLurker

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #153 on: 01 November, 2018, 07:50:22 pm »
Quote from: Ben
People don't want bricks and mortar shops any more...
Speak for yourself. I bloody well do.
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Ben T

Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #154 on: 01 November, 2018, 10:39:38 pm »
Quote from: Ben
People don't want bricks and mortar shops any more...
Speak for yourself. I bloody well do.
Why would you want to spend time travelling into town and travelling all the way back again to/from a shop that might not even have what you want?  :-\ ???

Ben T

Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #155 on: 01 November, 2018, 10:41:09 pm »

The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

All I can say is you must be clicking the wrong button. Check your glasses.

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #156 on: 01 November, 2018, 11:02:01 pm »
I don’t know about the end of retail, but if my in box is anything to go by it’s not very well. It’s three weeks before ‘Black friday’ and I’ve got a number of emails proclaiming the start of BF deals.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #157 on: 01 November, 2018, 11:41:36 pm »

The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

All I can say is you must be clicking the wrong button. Check your glasses.

Oh look, I’ve been bonjed again.
It is simpler than it looks.

TheLurker

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #158 on: 02 November, 2018, 07:01:52 am »
Quote from: Ben
People don't want bricks and mortar shops any more...
Speak for yourself. I bloody well do.
Why would you want to spend time travelling into town and travelling all the way back again to/from a shop that might not even have what you want?  :-\ ???
And why would I want to spend time sitting in front of a computer fighting with a shit web site, not able to examine the thing I want to buy, then have to hang around waiting for a courier who may or may not deliver what I've ordered or even if something is delivered it's the wrong thing because the fulfillment centre doesn't pay proper wages so gets the sort of workers that shit wages attract.  Of course that's assuming the web retailer really has what you want in stock and doesn't say "Oops sorry, we *thought* we had it, but we don't really. Try again in a day or two.  Sorreee" when you get to the bit where you pay.  Oh and just how many web sites do you know that accept cash or have real live people that you can quiz about the thing you want to buy?

And there's this marvellous invention called, "The Telephone" that let's me talk to people a long, long way away and if I really want to avoid a possibly fruitless round trip I can make a "Telephone Call" to find out whether or not the shop has what I want in stock.

Shopping on the web?  You can shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #159 on: 02 November, 2018, 07:27:30 am »

The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

All I can say is you must be clicking the wrong button. Check your glasses.

Oh look, I’ve been bonjed again.

You can only be Bonjed if you engage, you did, so self inflicted.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #160 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:06:53 am »
Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

Possibly/probably the Prime sign-up was related to asking for next day delivery. One can't usually get the latter without agreeing to the former.
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Ben T

Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #161 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:12:55 am »
And there's this marvellous invention called, "The Telephone" that let's me talk to people a long, long way away and if I really want to avoid a possibly fruitless round trip I can make a "Telephone Call" to find out whether or not the shop has what I want in stock.
;D The most depressing bit about that is when you ring up, and they then start tapping away on the computer and say "er..well, we've got 2 showing on the system, so should have, yeah". YOU'RE IN THE SHOP, GO AND HAVE AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL LOOK!

Oh and just how many web sites do you know ... have real live people that you can quiz about the thing you want to buy?

How many physical shops do? (That actually know)

Ben T

Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #162 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:16:22 am »
The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

I rarely need next day delivery because I plan my purchases ahead, and order things in advance of when I'm likely to need them.
You're obviously just part of the instant gratification brigade.
 

Jaded

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #163 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:21:40 am »
Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

Possibly/probably the Prime sign-up was related to asking for next day delivery. One can't usually get the latter without agreeing to the former.

Nope, I was charged for next day delivery; Prime gives you free next day.  Prime is designed to suck the unwary in and I’m well versed in avoiding it. Which is why finding an email saying Welcome to Prime is so insidious.
It is simpler than it looks.

Jaded

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #164 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:22:20 am »

The website looks like it has escaped from the 1990s.

Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

All I can say is you must be clicking the wrong button. Check your glasses.

Oh look, I’ve been bonjed again.

You can only be Bonjed if you engage, you did, so self inflicted.

Yes, you are right. I fed it.  :(
It is simpler than it looks.

Ben T

Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #165 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:27:05 am »
Every time* I've gone for next day delivery because of urgency, I've ended up with free delivery several days after I needed it.

I've been signed up to Prime twice when I had no intention of doing so.

*Twice. I assumed the first time was an aberration. Obviously not.

Possibly/probably the Prime sign-up was related to asking for next day delivery. One can't usually get the latter without agreeing to the former.

Nope, I was charged for next day delivery; Prime gives you free next day.  Prime is designed to suck the unwary in and I’m well versed in avoiding it. Which is why finding an email saying Welcome to Prime is so insidious.

are you sure you weren't charged for delivery because you live so bloody far away from civilization? ;D

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #166 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:41:46 am »
Shopping centres are not the only way of organising shops, and shops are not the only way of shopping. We've had physical shops as long as there's been trade but shopping centres are a relatively recent thing. Unless we go back to self-sufficient peasantry, we'll always need some sort of shopping. We might be a bit better off without wandering around shopping centres as a prime leisure activity, but perhaps not if it's replaced by wandering around Amazon.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #167 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:47:28 am »
Shopping centres have been around for many hundreds of years. Originally traders gathered together on intersecting tracks/paths. They’ve got bigger and more sophisticated over time, but then most things have.
It is simpler than it looks.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #168 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:51:46 am »
True, but then any place with a few shops together is a shopping centre. I was thinking of their post-WWII enclosed-street physical form.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #169 on: 02 November, 2018, 08:53:13 am »
It is simpler than it looks.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #170 on: 02 November, 2018, 09:04:43 am »
And one which survives as part of Broadmead in "Bristol's Shopping Quarter". And Arab souks and in Chinese cities too. Not ugly though.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #171 on: 02 November, 2018, 09:08:47 am »
There doesn't seem to be much opportunity for independent businesses to exist in shopping malls. Unlike the 'shopping centres'  of smaller towns, where increasingly they are the norm.

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #172 on: 02 November, 2018, 09:15:38 am »
By comparison, this is how big London was when the Burlington arcade was built.

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/crace/l/007zzz000000006u00213000.html

As for ugly, there are an awful lot of developments that are ugly. I find South Bank very ugly.

The destruction of many town and city centres in WW2 led to a lot of redevelopment (mainly of open centres such as Broadmead, or Coventry, Plymouth etc.) Then came the collecting together of parcels of land by developers to build larger, enclosed centres. Bull Ring being one of the first of those in the late 1960s.

Collections of traders and then shops have been with us a very long time. They provide a visual centre for a community, employment, a social hub, and so on. The future will be interesting (if there is going to be one for humans)

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Jaded

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #173 on: 02 November, 2018, 09:23:43 am »
There doesn't seem to be much opportunity for independent businesses to exist in shopping malls. Unlike the 'shopping centres'  of smaller towns, where increasingly they are the norm.

It’s a factor of the increasing size and complexity of the newer, bigger buildings. Cost more to run, so higher occupancy costs. Some larger centres can afford to have parts with lower rents, providing smaller, cheaper spaces for independents. They aren’t a panacea though, things like standardised opening hours are a burden on independents. (And in my view, independents can lose their sparkle and difference when located in a standardised run of shops)

 In many ways the homogenisation of High Streets and Centres (it’s not just a purpose built centre issue - it’s about prime retail space) is now happening with the internet. The difference being there is no employment, no returns to the local economy, no social hub, no visual centre, just lots of white vans and gig economy estate cars full of parcels.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #174 on: 02 November, 2018, 09:24:07 am »
Perhaps the future of retail might be that all the big stores will exist as warehouses, websites and liveried vans, because there isn't really much physically to either cause us to visit their shops or distinguish one from the other; while "shopping centres" (high streets) become much smaller and consist of independent traders and small makers? And cafes of course. That's until Donald presses the great button of course. (But probably it will be something different.)
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