There are aggressive snd passive aggressive posters on both sides.
You don't actually know my view because I don't wear it like a badge of honour, puff out my chest and tell all those with an opposing view to fuck off and get a life.
I have read both tbreads and I find the lack of excellence disturbing. It seems to me that there is a band of posters who are determined to undermine Steve and his team no matter what Steve and the team does. Nothing is good, nothing is right, Steve will fail, why should he have all this time to ride his bike on the back of his sponsors, etc., etc., etc. The most ridiculous and farcical bit is when these posters damm Steve with faint praise and profess to support him.
These people do not like to have their view challenged and make this place something it is not and should not become. They will trot out the usual freedom of speech cobblers to justify their right to remain nasty. Very tory tabloid, very Katie Hopkins, very vulgar.
Before the mods decide to lock this thread too, might I suggest that ALL concerned reconsider why and how they post in here. After all, this is not POBI. It is possible to express opinions with considered reason rather than with contemptuous malice.
Personally I don't think that I will post in here again, rather leave it to the nasty crew.