Do not load your bike like I do. It handles like a supermarket trolley full of car batteries.I bet it's fun trying to get that up a flight of stairs.
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Does this qualify?
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Do not load your bike like I do. It handles like a supermarket trolley full of car batteries.
Do not load your bike like I do. It handles like a supermarket trolley full of car batteries.Do NOT drink out of the front waterbottle. It is there to keep the front wheel on the ground.
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cyclofabrica setting a high standard of photos perfect for this thread.
The definition of fully loaded seems pretty elastic, not least my own.I've toured like that - from hotel to hotel, or (if one counts it as touring) hostel/B&B weekends. On a Roberts Audax.(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/7503241808_a8c73e5ce0_c.jpg)
The lightest I've toured, too light, it's the only tour where I'd wished I'd packed more. Bike is my Hewitt Cheviot SE, a great bike that I don't ride enough. No clues as to where it is, on a island hopping ten day Scottish tour.
The definition of fully loaded seems pretty elastic, not least my own.I've toured like that - from hotel to hotel, or (if one counts it as touring) hostel/B&B weekends. On a Roberts Audax.
The lightest I've toured, too light, it's the only tour where I'd wished I'd packed more. Bike is my Hewitt Cheviot SE, a great bike that I don't ride enough. No clues as to where it is, on a island hopping ten day Scottish tour.
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Two from a trip to the Cevennes in France in 2010.
Dawes Sardar, (since fitted a disc to the front), Brooks B17 saddle, Carradice front and rear panniers and rack bag, Ortlieb bar bag, Saunders Spacepacker tent, Trangia stove. The bottle under the downtube is for the meths.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2ep0cqc.jpg)Excellent carradice panniers in action great to see them keep me in work yaaaaaayyyy
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Two from a trip to the Cevennes in France in 2010.
Dawes Sardar, (since fitted a disc to the front), Brooks B17 saddle, Carradice front and rear panniers and rack bag, Ortlieb bar bag, Saunders Spacepacker tent, Trangia stove. The bottle under the downtube is for the meths.
A question to Kim and Charlotte (not a criticism), why do you do your Ortliebs up like that? I pull the shoulder strap down into the clip on the side at the bottom and wonder if I'm missing something?
Also, with the uberlightweight Ortlieb bags, they're thin enough to roll up the top like a dry bag, rather than just fold down and secure with the cross-strap.
Also, by using the bottom clip you can pull the top roll down nice and tight which looks better for waterproofing plus it squeezes the contents down from the top so helps stop stuff rattling.
See, you've closed the external pockets our way! :P
When youth hostling the shoulder straps become very useful for carting the bags from the cycle store to the dorm. However when camping I can see they become superfluous as the bike is parked next to the tent. Or in Kims case tied to the tent by a guy line.A question to Kim and Charlotte (not a criticism), why do you do your Ortliebs up like that? I pull the shoulder strap down into the clip on the side at the bottom and wonder if I'm missing something?
Shoulder straps are pointless extra faff and weight if you're not going to be carrying the panniers around on foot (as a general rule, I have bicycles to avoid the need for carrying things around, and in a touring situation I can imagine wanting to lug at most a single front-roller around for any amount of time), so they stay at home.
If you're bear-sized the shoulder straps are a complete waste of time, just like the Ortlieb barbag straps.
That is cool :thumbsup:. Reasonably small mats definitely help for tandem camping :).
Note the flesh-coloured aircraft about to crash into the bridge at the top left of the first photo. ;D
Schoolboy error there. In any situation which requires queuing, especially at ports and the like, always ride nonchalantly to the front and park up as if you own the place. First on first off is your right.
1280m? Looks like it were a grand ride down though Marcus.
In my experience (and I have sailed on quite a few) Calmac ferries generally put bikes on first, off last. Apparently, they believe it's safer. The only time (that I remember) it being otherwise was on the little one that goes from Fishnish to Lochaline. And there were only two cars on it. And me.Schoolboy error there. In any situation which requires queuing, especially at ports and the like, always ride nonchalantly to the front and park up as if you own the place. First on first off is your right.
Bikes first on with the Calmac Stornoway - Ullapool sailing but always last off. Never bothered me as the cars are
up the road and there isn't a constant stream of traffic passing you for the first few miles.
This is about as heavily loaded as I travel. I rarely use my front pannier rack. This was as much as I needed on a five week trip around Scotland. I am intrigued by the other cycle tourists I meet who are loaded front and back, especially when there are two of them loaded thus. What on earth have you got in there? And trailers, goodness me!
When I used a trailer, I filled it with a porta potty and toilet tent so I still had most of my stuff on the bike. I usually find that whatever space I have, I fill. Any spare space means I take more shoes and blankets. :)
I though the idea of using front panniers in addition to rear was to balance the load and have less effect on the bike's handling, rather than to carry more stuff - supposedly.
My days of climbing stuff over 29 percent loaded are over, I think)Whereas mine are... a complete fiction! I'm impressed at the idea of ever riding such a steep hill, lot alone loaded.
I though the idea of using front panniers in addition to rear was to balance the load and have less effect on the bike's handling, rather than to carry more stuff - supposedly.
I find rear panniers are fine for normal shopping, but if I'm buying bulky items like toilet rolls then the space availible is important. Also if I have things like fizzy water (which I'm a bit addicted to ;-[) then I'd prefer not to overload the rear wheel which already has to deal with rather a lot of me on it.
Tongue in cheek doesn't really work online does it. Twice on this thread I've tried to inject a humorousMy days of climbing stuff over 29 percent loaded are over, I think)Whereas mine are... a complete fiction! I'm impressed at the idea of ever riding such a steep hill, lot alone loaded.
My "trecker" can lift the front wheel even without panniers. Someone said this is because of the suspension forks bouncing on rough surfaces, but they have rather little movement in them so I'm not sure it's that. As for
shopping, I find two panniers usually enough, but we're another small family.
It was, of course, back heavy, but even climbing Somerset hills in first gear, the front wheel only lifted once or twice, and not seriously. Handling was much better than I'd feared, possibly because the load was so low down.
Touring on folding bikes? See Heinz Stucke:
He's ridden around the world many times (he has ridden over 600000 km in the last 50 years). Since 2010, he's been using a Brompton. I saw it at the world championships this year - quite a beaten up Brompton with his luggage dwarfing the bike! Amazing.
I know someone whose Dahon touring solution is a BOB Yak (occasionally complete with folding boat).Presumably he tows the Dahon behind the Yak?
Touring on folding bikes? See Heinz Stucke:That looks like a spare crank poking out of his l/h front pannier pocket...
He's ridden around the world many times (he has ridden over 600000 km in the last 50 years). Since 2010, he's been using a Brompton. I saw it at the world championships this year - quite a beaten up Brompton with his luggage dwarfing the bike! Amazing.
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That looks like a spare crank poking out of his l/h front pannier pocket...
Each have their advantages.
The historic soul of the Carradice is as deep as the mighty Yamuna, the modern spirit of the Ortlieb is as high as the mighty Himalaya. Now you hear the sound of one hand packing.Each have their advantages.
Deep ;D
The historic soul of the Carradice is as deep as the mighty Yamuna, the modern spirit of the Ortlieb is as high as the mighty Himalaya. Now you hear the sound of one hand packing.Each have their advantages.
Deep ;D
:D
Now you hear the sound of one hand packing.
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Am I allowed to post a second photo?
Third one is the odd one out. There's actually some scenery.
Post as many photos as you like of that bike. It's worked hard enough.
Touring? On a folding bike? Are you mad?
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I like your appriach to tyre use Tomsk :)
What's that Ridgeback folder? - a rebadged Dahon of some sort?
I kind of hope not though
We were taken with how long it wasn't, what with using an Extrawheel rather than a more conventional trailer.
Our beast of burden at the seaside
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And a bin for Jane!
hello; I just discovered this forum today. Last summer my twelve year old daughter and I decided we wanted to do something a bit crazyIf you're doing crazy, you've found the right forum! :o ;D :thumbsup:
A bit of a rest outside a small old time shop in a typical small town USA. My Thorn Nomad with Ortliebs on the back and Carradice supper C's up front. I've since switched to a full carradice setup:Thorn Nomad? Carradice? Suspiciously British for small town USA! (Glances at Surly in corner of room... Nah, it's not American, it's British Racing Green!)
hello; I just discovered this forum today. Last summer my twelve year old daughter and I decided we wanted to do something a bit crazy and so we toured from North Carolina to Texas over an eight week period. It had been twenty years since I last toured on a bicycle and her first time out, in fact she had only learned to ride a bike two years prior. 2012 was the hottest summer on record for many days and several states and over the first while we sent back a good ten pounds of gear. You quickly learn to do with less in the mountains, in the heat. The experience was marvelous!
Here are a few photos of our bikes, loaded up, at various stops along the way:
Bianca having a good time on a downhill on her 43" size Fuji touring bike, in the hills of Kentucky:
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Newly built Jackson at Stratford upon Avon on the way to yacf meet at Long Itchington.
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Newly built Jackson at Stratford upon Avon on the way to yacf meet at Long Itchington.Looks great and, in black, the Ortliebs give a good option for those who can't decide between the Ortliebs and the Carradice (I initially assumed they were Carradice).
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(I initially assumed they were Carradice).
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Age-old cycling dilemma "Go for a ride or mow the lawn?..go for a ride or mow the lawn?....." (Yes Clarion & Butterfly...this applies to you)
Get yourselves a scythe! Or perhaps blades on the wheels of a bike?
Age-old cycling dilemma "Go for a ride or mow the lawn?..go for a ride or mow the lawn?....." (Yes Clarion & Butterfly...this applies to you)
Oh it's no dilemma - we haven't got a lawn mower :D
(Well we have, it's a beautiful vintage push-along one that isn't up to the rough-stuff that we call a lawn ::-))
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Thorn Nomad at Boscastle harbour.
That's a Bikebuddy.
http://bikebuddy.co.uk/
The BikeBuddy won't accept the small Trangia bottle. At least, mine wouldn't. I can't remember the exact model (it broke in India, which was mainly my own fault, as it was in quite an exposed spot under the top tube, and the handlebars kept smacking into the bottle, which deformed the bottle and eventually caused the cage to shear).
I found it a bit fiddly to remove and fit the bottle, although it seems they do a quick release version as well.
I have one of the Topeak ones Kim mentions - that certainly takes the small Trangia bottle, I don't know if it would take the larger bottle.
OD, how do you get on with the QR thingummy? That was my biggest annoyance with the non-QR version.
Thank, been on a different forum before, just not this one (joined this due to Audax in general).
Wow, we need a kit list to see how you fit all that in !! Lightweight isn't the word.
That look great, while I'm a great believer that you don't need a high end touring bike to go on a tour, it does make it a lots more enjoyable to ride for sure.
That look great, while I'm a great believer that you don't need a high end touring bike to go on a tour, it does make it a lots more enjoyable to ride for sure.
Thorn bikes are priced well into what I would call "high end" bike territory ;). I doubt you'd get any change out of £2k.
I wasn't suggesting it wasn't a high end bike, just that while you don't need a high end bike, it does make the ride more enjoyable.
That look great, while I'm a great believer that you don't need a high end touring bike to go on a tour, it does make it a lots more enjoyable to ride for sure.
Thorn bikes are priced well into what I would call "high end" bike territory ;). I doubt you'd get any change out of £2k.
I can't see that last image Ivo. Is it just me?I can't see it either, though I can see the other two (which are lovely).
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My Santos Travelmaster 2.6 alu in Northumberland. Great trip.
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How can you tell it's pointing the wrong way?
How can you tell it's pointing the wrong way?
She doesn't get out much, so, while I was waiting for my meeting on Clapham Common early this morning, naturally I asked Whsh the Woodrup to pose.
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Please note the valves almost aligned (yes, I do use collars and dustcaps - wanna make summat of it?), and the pedals as aligned as they could be and still support the bike. Apologies for my lack of forward planning, as I left the marmite at home.Clazza, clazza, classic n00b error there- it's facing the wrong way. We need to be able to take the mick out of your grubby sprockets. ;)I'm left handed and don't care :P
My sprockets are shockingly grubby, though. You've probably been saved from a real fright.
Downhill? They're pointing across the path we can see, parallel to a path we can't see but infer is there from the signpost in the background. The path we can see is going downhill.How can you tell it's pointing the wrong way?
Handlebars are pointing downhill.
??? He does ???
??? He does ???
As opposed to a Band-Stand.
It was my attempt to win the Edinburgh Fringe best joke award.
travel light?
To be fair, a lot of what was carried to Mildenhall was for the Little Duck.
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From the top of WatershipDownUp this weekend. The photo doesn't show how astoundingly windy it was up there.
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From the top of WatershipDownUp this weekend. The photo doesn't show how astoundingly windy it was up there.
Nicely colour coordinated bike, seat and panniers! :)
Not the best pic, but does this count?
Poor effort - the top of the front rack is empty! ;)
Is that an intentional wild-flower garden or is Clarion your gardener?It's actually my back garden before it was visited by Mr. Glyphosate - the combination of a 'proper' summer and birds crapping seeds everywhere meant that keeping the weeds etc. under control was an absolute nightmare.
At first glance, I thought you'd wheeled your bike into a church!
Also note cheapo Canyon/Challenge rear panniers £20 each from Argos.
Also note cheapo Canyon/Challenge rear panniers £20 each from Argos.
Are those Karrimors on the front - the ones with the somewhat odd fixing system which involves fastening Karrimor's own "lugs" to the rack?
The Karrimors are attached to the rack by plastic hooks with red locking buttons (which you can just see above the panniers). They are pretty secure in use and quite quick and easy to attach and detach, but yes they do look a bit flimsy and are no doubt completely irreplacable, though possibly another hook system could be attached to the metal rails?
Certainly to carry on with a tour etc., and I do always have a few zip ties with me, but a permanent fix would be needed eventually so that I can remove and replace the panniers.The Karrimors are attached to the rack by plastic hooks with red locking buttons (which you can just see above the panniers). They are pretty secure in use and quite quick and easy to attach and detach, but yes they do look a bit flimsy and are no doubt completely irreplacable, though possibly another hook system could be attached to the metal rails?
When your hooks break (I seldom had them break, only in an accident), you can fix the bags to the rack with zip-ties or a cableclamp.
Certainly to carry on with a tour etc., and I do always have a few zip ties with me, but a permanent fix would be needed eventually so that I can remove and replace the panniers.The Karrimors are attached to the rack by plastic hooks with red locking buttons (which you can just see above the panniers). They are pretty secure in use and quite quick and easy to attach and detach, but yes they do look a bit flimsy and are no doubt completely irreplacable, though possibly another hook system could be attached to the metal rails?
When your hooks break (I seldom had them break, only in an accident), you can fix the bags to the rack with zip-ties or a cableclamp.
They must be Copenhagenistas or Amsterdammers or maybe evenAnd are staring at the steps up to the Worth Way thinking 'Who on Earth puts steps on a cycle route?' ::-) :facepalm:DoughnutsBerliners - from somewhere that riding a bike is a non-thing that you just do. Why else would they carry normal people suitcases on bike trailers? Unless they're Japanese, of course.
Welcome to Britain!They must be Copenhagenistas or Amsterdammers or maybe evenAnd are staring at the steps up to the Worth Way thinking 'Who on Earth puts steps on a cycle route?' ::-) :facepalm:DoughnutsBerliners - from somewhere that riding a bike is a non-thing that you just do. Why else would they carry normal people suitcases on bike trailers? Unless they're Japanese, of course.
I think something's missing.
Unless I've got it very wrong, tandems are "bicycles made for two".Technically, they don't have to be for two; the defining feature of a tandem is that the seats are arranged one behind the other, because "tandem" means "at length". By contrast, a "sociable" cycle has the seats side by side.
Dobbin (Thorn Adventure, 2004 derailleur edition)
... in South America (Torres del Paine; El Chalten)
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... in California (with Extra wheel trailer)
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Can I suggest a £5 bendy mini tripod for allowing Thing 2 to be part of your slideshow?
Mini-tour in Kent
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Can I suggest a £5 bendy mini tripod for allowing Thing 2 to be part of your slideshow?
yah... I think I was actually carrying one of those - at least in South America. Suggestion of actually thinking to use the damn thing taken on board... (Although these days cycling snaps are almost always done with the phone, so needs procurement of a new tripod solution)
And thanks :)
I like to travel somewhat lighter
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I like to travel somewhat lighter;D Probably wise, but I think our mistake in that may have been a few years ago rather than this particular packing session.
I like the spare bike! :DI like to travel somewhat lighter;D Probably wise, but I think our mistake in that may have been a few years ago rather than this particular packing session.
I like to travel somewhat lighter
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I too have pair of Agu Quorum rear panniers :)
Windy is the first other cyclist I have seen using them
& a pair of matching front panniers
That's an inspiring photograph.
I like to travel somewhat lighterAnd I lighter still:
That looks strangely elegant, actually.
Good thing there's a flag on the back, though. You're so hard to see on the road...
I like to travel somewhat lighterAnd I lighter still:
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Revelate Viscacha1 and 'yes'. Respectively.I like to travel somewhat lighterAnd I lighter still:
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What's the seat bag? Is it any good?
And ... the spare tube looks a bit exposed down there. Is it not filthy when you come to use it?Not excessively so - the downtube/BB shell gets in the way of the worst of the muck. Anyway, as Sod's Law dictates that you'll only get a puncture when it's pissing down with rain it's fairly easy to clean prior to fitting anyway.
Jeez, it's expensive, though.You get what you pay for - exchange rates don't help.
How's it compare to the alpkit thingie?No idea. I got fed up of waiting for Alpkit to get their act together and get their bag in stock so I pulled the trigger on a Viscacha instead. I don't regret it. I've pretty much given up on Alpkit now because their supply chain is utterly piss-poor.
And how much stuff do you get in it?Word of God (Eric Parsons, the guy who founded Revelate) is 8 litres expandable to 16-17 litres. Combining the seatpack and a backpack (Wingnut Enduro) I can carry enough clothing and the like for a 2-3 week off-road tour. That said, my touring setup has been fairly viciously optimised.
I put the trailer on the back of the tandem to see if it would fit and what it looked like for this weekends camping meet at Watlington.
Here it is parked next to our Fiesta for scale ;D ;D
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Nice.
Did you meet my sister btw?
"...and it was all Yellow.."
"...and it was all Yellow.."
Still need a yellow drybag for the tent to go in though.
Waiting at Stroud station for the train taking us to the start of the DunRun.I spy plant pots. Does this mean no more hanging baskets? :o :(
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You need an Ortlieb Rack Pack. We have a yellow one which Mlle PB carries the sleeping bags in. I'm going to have a green or black one for easy stowage of the tent. Being an 'end to end' closure rather than stuffing the tent in from one end will make it easier and quicker, especially valuable when the weather is inclement.
A surprisingly capable set-up.
A surprisingly capable set-up.
Been thinking about a front bag for my Brompton, that looks good.
What bag is that please?
I did a cycle camping tour to Greece using my Ribble audax bike.Blimey, I never thought I'd see a Ribble Blue on this thread :thumbsup: Amazing what you can do on them. I still love mine.(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5559/14985784751_393ed29571.jpg)
By the way, what type of bag have you got slung under the cross bar?
I did a cycle camping tour to Greece using my Ribble audax bike.I carry about the same amount of stuff on a day ride.(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5559/14985784751_393ed29571.jpg)
I did a cycle camping tour to Greece using my Ribble audax bike.Blimey, I never thought I'd see a Ribble Blue on this thread :thumbsup: Amazing what you can do on them. I still love mine.(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5559/14985784751_393ed29571.jpg)
My usual set up is front pannier 1-sleeping bag, thermarest , towel and lock
front pannier 2 -food
rear pannier 1 - clothing in plastic bags
rear pannier 2-cooking gear, stove etc.
Tent -Ortlieb nallo 2 GT on top of rack.
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What goes where? I'm struggling to match the number of items to their possible resting places on just those two bikes.
The bike seat goes on the other bike.
The large black Alturas with grey pockets go where the bike seat is.
The smaller grey Alturas go on the front rack of that bike.
The Caradice super C saddle bag goes on that bike.
The tent goes under it's flap.
The large red Ortliebs go under the bike seat on my bike. (The bags go on first then the sleeping bags and pillows are inserted).
The small red Ortliebs go on the front rack thereof.
The Ortlieb barrel bag on the far right of the picture goes behind the bike seat, attached to the top of the large Ortliebs.
The black Basil basket with an oasis bottle sticking out of it goes on my handlebars.
The baby goes in the seat.
Very impressive! :thumbsup: Both in terms of load and organisation.(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7487/15774895777_f1aca26c16_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q2YsVF)PA270003e (https://flic.kr/p/q2YsVF) by TJ Clarion (https://www.flickr.com/people/93751227@N04/), on FlickrWhat goes where? I'm struggling to match the number of items to their possible resting places on just those two bikes.
The bike seat goes on the other bike.
The large black Alturas with grey pockets go where the bike seat is.
The smaller grey Alturas go on the front rack of that bike.
The Caradice super C saddle bag goes on that bike.
The tent goes under it's flap.
The large red Ortliebs go under the bike seat on my bike. (The bags go on first then the sleeping bags and pillows are inserted).
The small red Ortliebs go on the front rack thereof.
The Ortlieb barrel bag on the far right of the picture goes behind the bike seat, attached to the top of the large Ortliebs.
The black Basil basket with an oasis bottle sticking out of it goes on my handlebars.
The baby goes in the seat.And then, if he's anything like mine was at that age, he pushes you in the back up hill. "Faster! I'm helping you!"
I don’t know about anyone else round here but this thread is one of my favourite things on the internet. Guaranteed to lift my spirits and have me dreaming and scheming for a we tour.Yep. Quite a few of these threads do that for me, actually. It's kind of endorphins by proxy through the interweebles. Not as good as the real thing, but can prompt you out there.
I don’t know about anyone else round here but this thread is one of my favourite things on the internet. Guaranteed to lift my spirits and have me dreaming and scheming for a we tour.Yep. Quite a few of these threads do that for me, actually. It's kind of endorphins by proxy through the interweebles. Not as good as the real thing, but can prompt you out there.
This is what two bikes worth of luggage looks like:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7487/15774895777_f1aca26c16_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q2YsVF)PA270003e (https://flic.kr/p/q2YsVF) by TJ Clarion (https://www.flickr.com/people/93751227@N04/), on Flickr
Not quite as fully loaded as many (but south-east Asia doesn't require ever so many clothing options).
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Excellent. Must admit am a bit surprised you left the mudguards on though.
Carbon drive belts for true avoidance of dirty hassle! So nice to take them off and have perfectly clean hands.
Carbon drive belts for true avoidance of dirty hassle! So nice to take them off and have perfectly clean hands.
So your lovely Co-motion tandem has hub gears?
OD! got your Surly yet?
\o/ do it can't go wrong with atLHT.Disc Trucker :thumbsup:
\o/ do it can't go wrong with atLHT.Disc Trucker :thumbsup:
Travellin' light up to Tan Hill on the Surly 1x1:
Yes, we did - they charge a fiver. All the prices have gone up (last time I camped there, the landlord waved his hands and asked for two quid in the charity box, though I still put a fiver in) - it always felt fairly cheap, as I think they were underselling themselves, given they have a captive audience.
It was my mate's first cycle camping trip:
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(He doesn't do lycra).
It's quite a good destination from here, cos although it was bastard hard getting up there into the wind, it was all downhill on the way back, with a massive tailwind. Actually, the Etape du Dales was coming up Arkengarthdale on the Sunday when we were going back home, and we both enjoyed seeing them struggle into the wind. A few riders were blown to a standstill.
The only problem with staying there is dealing with the hangover in the morning. The last thing I remember from Saturday night is my mate asking what time they stopped serving, and the barmaid replying that it was quarter to one, and they hadn't stopped yet.
Bombing down Sleightholme Moor shook the cobwebs away, though ;D
Loaded for the off - A weekend away to help at the National 400
Nice bike but let's try to remember the guidelines...
Brief is similar but not so rigid.
1 - Try to post only photos of your bike in an obvious touring role (definitely none propped up against a blank garage wall).
2 - The photo should give a sense of your camping/touring trip. The photo should have some merit without the bike in there.
Nevertheless, I think Lee does well to remind us of the guidelines for the thread, if only to prompt some more scenic photos.
Stunning views at the top of Hartside...
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Surely, this is bikepr0n, not a photo competition?
Stunning views at the top of Hartside...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/496/19938787496_dd790b80a4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wnVuSd)
daleftw-12.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wnVuSd) by Dale FTW (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129018234@N07/), on Flickr
That looks horribly familiar. One time we approached from the Alston side and it was as though someone had put the mist and murk in place with the aid of a ruler. Bright sunshine to the east then BANG!
Deano is Lord & Master of the perfect combo. (When he's not breaking up Tarmac using his body parts. Get Well Soon Deano).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EhAxVKSAgRU/VhA2lUCmX8I/AAAAAAAAKls/36E-DusY2uI/s640-Ic42/20150928_160339.jpg)Fully Laid-en.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/566/21924367709_4282261200_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zpo7FP)Northwest Highlands 2015 002 (https://flic.kr/p/zpo7FP) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr
... before the gps got me lost ...Clearly not lost enough since you found your way home :)
... before the gps got me lost ...Clearly not lost enough since you found your way home :)
2nd failed attempt at touring last year. Got 20 ish miles from home before the gps got me lost (clearly technology was to blame), chickened out and returned home :facepalm:
That's an Avior X2 on the back too which I believe was what you used touring with mcshroom :)
That's an Avior X2 on the back too which I believe was what you used touring with mcshroom :)
That was such a good tent. Great minds think alike and get lost twenty miles from home-alike eh?
I did that once, too. I was using the same panniers as you!The bags of misadventure!
But before I do I thought I should post a picture of my bike. Why? Because I want to.The best reason! Equal first with 'Because we want to see it'. :)
Not mine. Spotted this in S. of France last week. Never saw the owner, but he or she sure is thirsty. 5.5l of bottles on board and another cage on the back of the stem. A neat idea I've not come across before. I wonder what happened to the low-rider front panniers: rack mountings present, load missing.
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Not mine. Spotted this in S. of France last week. Never saw the owner, but he or she sure is thirsty. 5.5l of bottles on board and another cage on the back of the stem. A neat idea I've not come across before. I wonder what happened to the low-rider front panniers: rack mountings present, load missing.
(http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah311/berry30/IMGP4474_zpsdkhzacd9.jpg)
Or the owner, wherever they are, has the panniers with them. Probably at the supermarket picking up a few bottles of water.
The bike belongs to a weight weenie who was worried about the extra 1500g or so of panniers.
I'm guessing it's the extra € rather than g. That setup probably wasn't blessed with the budget of many of the other fine examples on here and they made do with what bits they had.
I'm intrigued by the fact they fitted racks but not panniers, but that does still help strap stuff on I suppose.
The bike belongs to a weight weenie who was worried about the extra 1500g or so of panniers.
Probably simpler than that: Second-hand bikes (and bikes not bought in the UK) often have useful things like racks, lights and mudguards attached.Just noticed it's a Giant. Giant Squadron. Looks like a '90s mtb but google it and it comes up "Giant Squadron touring bike", and it does look like the kind of thing often sold in much of Europe as a tourer. So it might have come with rear rack and mudguards, but the front one looks like an add on.
Sorry for the people in the pic getting in the way of the bikes and luggage. But here is a pic of adamski and I with our steeds and all our luggage on our current 9 month cycle tour. We have tried to travel as light as possible, and have so far pretty much used everything we have bought with us, so I think we got the packing just about right.Good to see you're exposing the Godzoners to YACF. :D
This was in Waihi, New Zealand, just near the start of the rail trail. One we could actually cycle on for once!
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A nice stretch of rough but ridable track approaching Rye on Saturday morning, having camped at Cackle Street.Beware of the witches...
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A nice stretch of rough but ridable track approaching Rye on Saturday morning, having camped at Cackle Street.
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The InBred, in Villafrance Del Pendes in April of this year.
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And same town, different view:
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You know, seeing all those loaded tourers makes me think that getting my old circa 2008 Chromoly 520 Dawes Horizon out the loft
Fully-Loaded tourers force you to ride at the ideal speed for inducing grins.
Plus rebuilding my Dawes horizon would also mean I could mtbfy my currently rigid decathlon mtbso commuter / off road pootler by putting the suspension fork back on, for maximising off road fun. I could then use the rebuilt tourer for commuting purposes, leaving my road bike fox audax!!You know, seeing all those loaded tourers makes me think that getting my old circa 2008 Chromoly 520 Dawes Horizon out the loft
Yes, you should absolutely do this.
Fully-Loaded tourers force you to ride at the ideal speed for inducing grins.
Here is the Renegade, in holiday mode, on the shores of the Med:
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You know, seeing all those loaded tourers makes me think that getting my old circa 2008 Chromoly 520 Dawes Horizon out the loft
Yes, you should absolutely do this.
Fully-Loaded tourers force you to ride at the ideal speed for inducing grins.
Here is the Renegade, in holiday mode, on the shores of the Med:
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Linky no worky!
Nope.
Still nopeNope.
Weird, G+ must be playing silly buggers...
Any better now?
:thumbsup:
We have visuals!
Excellent! Looking forward to hearing of (and hopefully seeing!) this and the mtb-ified mtb. :DYou know, seeing all those loaded tourers makes me think that getting my old circa 2008 Chromoly 520 Dawes Horizon out the loft
Yes, you should absolutely do this.
Fully-Loaded tourers force you to ride at the ideal speed for inducing grins.
New wheels ordered yesterday! :)
Tiermat: still can't see it!
Still waiting on the new wheels. I'm also pondering on drive train replacement on the 2008 Dawes horizon. The Sora 8 speed triple sti are very rattly inside, plus I've never been happy with the performance of the cantilever brakes, both the tektro oryx, plus tektro cr720.Excellent! Looking forward to hearing of (and hopefully seeing!) this and the mtb-ified mtb. :DYou know, seeing all those loaded tourers makes me think that getting my old circa 2008 Chromoly 520 Dawes Horizon out the loft
Yes, you should absolutely do this.
Fully-Loaded tourers force you to ride at the ideal speed for inducing grins.
New wheels ordered yesterday! :)
Tiermat: still can't see it!
And the bike on the left is one of the most elegant bikes you'll ever see - in one of the world's perfect spots!
But the bike on the left isn't fully loaded – it only has one pannier! (Why?)
And the bike on the left is one of the most elegant bikes you'll ever see - in one of the world's perfect spots!
Almost the most elegant of bicycles. The saddle rather lets it down in my opinion. A proper Brooks or similar saddle would be an improvement on what looks like a Selle Flite, more at home on an out and out racer methinks. :)
And the bike on the left is one of the most elegant bikes you'll ever see - in one of the world's perfect spots!
Almost the most elegant of bicycles. The saddle rather lets it down in my opinion.
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Brian - the one on the right has the Tektro v-brake levers which are still going strong after umpteen thousand miles*, and the shifters are Shimano 9-speed, set to friction so I could use a 7- 8- or 9-speed cassette. It's currently 9-speed, but I can't be bothered to index the gears properly.
*apart from the rubber hoods.
But the bike on the left isn't fully loaded – it only has one pannier! (Why?)
Still nowhere near fully loaded! Finally got pair of budget hybrid wheels for y Dawes horizon rebuild:
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Another 'fully loaded' but lightweight setup.
Still nowhere near fully loaded! Finally got pair of budget hybrid wheels for y Dawes horizon rebuild:
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Just waiting on £300 order from Spa cycles...
NCN 68 yesterday.
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7324/26953311414_7fa639ee95_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H4LLrL)Haltwhistle June 2016 013 (https://flic.kr/p/H4LLrL) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr
Haltwhistle June 2016 016 (https://flic.kr/p/H36hwa) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7122/27508330506_64b17ed3d4_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HUPohs)Haltwhistle June 2016 023 (https://flic.kr/p/HUPohs) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr
And the bike on the left is one of the most elegant bikes you'll ever see - in one of the world's perfect spots!
Wrocław is a beautiful city, and quite cycle friendly at least in the centre – I suspect the suburbs might be a bit of a mega-road mess though. Make sure to visit some of the islands in the river.
It was a happy accident that my existing Ortlieb luggage was red as Disc Truckers only come in one colour!
There doesn't look to be room for her on the back there. Presumably she sits on that sheepskin or whatever it is, right at the front of the rack? All those flags can't be helping progress into the head wind!
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4204/34904982586_943bd3c933_o.jpg)There's a lot of weight high up on the front there. How did you find the handling?
Full camping kit packed in there, including food, clean clothes, even a towel! Yup, I knew where my towel was.
Mission accomplished: Portuguese coast by British Eagle training bike transformed in fully loaded tourer. Very close clearance for 28mm tyres forced the rear brake in-board. Note coordinated bottles but couldn't manage lining up the valves too, sorry.
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4204/34904982586_943bd3c933_o.jpg)There's a lot of weight high up on the front there. How did you find the handling?
Full camping kit packed in there, including food, clean clothes, even a towel! Yup, I knew where my towel was.
Not really fully loaded, but with enough gear for a weekend's camping at a local music festival recently (was only 16 miles away). Vaude Aqua Panniers and bar bag, Alpkit Gourdon drybag rucksack to carry the tent, leaving my hands free to carry the panniers to the campsite:
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac148/oxford_guy/Bike/IMG_8618_zpsmxjzfrfz.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/36838389046_83a16d44f5.jpg)A bar bag on the back and a backpack on the bars. Fully loaded and some! :thumbsup:
Our Circe Helios by a wheelwright's oven in Norfolk last week.
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Our Circe Helios by a wheelwright's oven in Norfolk last week.
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Our Circe Helios by a wheelwright's oven in Norfolk last week.
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Our Circe Helios by a wheelwright's oven in Norfolk last week.
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Our Circe Helios by a wheelwright's oven in Norfolk last week.
Has it actually got a front wheel?
I assume that brick outhouse is part of the touring setup?(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/36838389046_83a16d44f5.jpg)
Our Circe Helios by a wheelwright's oven in Norfolk last week.
Has it actually got a front wheel?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4369/36588845740_1cdafcef7e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKep6W)The end. St Malo to Caen via the Loire. Some great cycling, and a lot of learning for me (https://flic.kr/p/XKep6W) by sg310 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24775321@N02/), on FlickrPegasus Bridge ?
Indeed it isOf course, this is when we crossed but missed each other by about 20 miles.
Indeed it isOf course, this is when we crossed but missed each other by about 20 miles.
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Day 1: Esperance to Albany: The Unconventional Ride. Ready set go ... Esperance foreshore before heading out on my 10 day 750 km ride from Esperance to Albany in Western Australia.
That looks like the sort of bike that encourages you to sit up and take in the views.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/824/28261566668_103df1a6bd_c.jpg)Very nice! Remiss of me not to have checked it out at the weekend!
I think the shape of the bars plays a part, perhaps (these are wide and splayed).
I'm not much of a honker,Except on the last day of a tour with no showers! :D
can you use those bottles on the move?
Couldn't you get those panniers a lot power and closer when you don't have to worry about heel strike? Probably need a custom rack though.
Is that concentration or terror in the second pic Kim? ;D
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all this, and moreBut surely taking your own wine rack on holiday defeats the point?!
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has gone into these, plus a water bladder behind my head.
That's a big Podsac under the seat I assume?
Model name/price?
Have you used it much?
How do you rate it?
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Crikey! That is some extreme bikepacking! The rear pack looks like some sort of hideous giant insect. Are there any downsides to having the weight there?
Eta: and that would seem to be a Topanga Diamondback with Biopace...so it must be very old, but it's in beautiful condition. Pls tell us the wheel and tyre specs.
This is a bugbear of mine: Using the shoulder strap to close your Front/Back-rollers means you end up carrying and faffing about with four shoulder straps, where you're only likely to carry one or zero bags on your shoulder at any point on the trip.
This is a bugbear of mine: Using the shoulder strap to close your Front/Back-rollers means you end up carrying and faffing about with four shoulder straps, where you're only likely to carry one or zero bags on your shoulder at any point on the trip.
If cycle camping I would agree but if YHAs or B&Bs then it probable that I will be carrying four panniers to a room, at which point my Back Rollers go one on each shoulder and the super C fronts get carried in one hand while the saddle bag is in the other.
This is a bugbear of mine: Using the shoulder strap to close your Front/Back-rollers means you end up carrying and faffing about with four shoulder straps, where you're only likely to carry one or zero bags on your shoulder at any point on the trip.
If cycle camping I would agree but if YHAs or B&Bs then it probable that I will be carrying four panniers to a room, at which point my Back Rollers go one on each shoulder and the super C fronts get carried in one hand while the saddle bag is in the other.
Only on yacf ;D
Agreed, the shoulder straps are very useful for carrying your panniers off the bike. And they allow the panniers to be PROPERLY closed thus rendering them very waterproof to the point where I never bother wrapping stuff in plastic bags as the panniers won't leak - ever.
I've moved away from having separate bags-within-panniers for organisation, because I find it takes up more room. It's easier to fit everything in when individual items can tessellate and squash into spaces rather than having things in big lumps.
I have also got the additional external pockets on my Back Rollers which are handy for putting stuff which might leak in.
I have also got the additional external pockets on my Back Rollers which are handy for putting stuff which might leak in.
I see you have to pierce the main pannier in order to fit these. Does that not create a leakpath into the bag?
I have also got the additional external pockets on my Back Rollers which are handy for putting stuff which might leak in.
I see you have to pierce the main pannier in order to fit these. Does that not create a leakpath into the bag?
About the same as the rack fixings do.
That certainly is heavily loaded. But heavy loads can be good too! Hope you enjoyed it and maybe are planning the next one.Thanks :)
Are you worried about losing each other in a crowd ?
:-)
Stunning setups you've got there.
Fully loaded? That's stripped for racing!I have a tent, quilt and mat in the saddle bag, a pair of shoes underneath it and clothes in the handlebar bag. Carbon tent pole strapped to the underside of the top tube. Clothes in the handlebar bag and tools/spares in the small top tube wedge. Odds and ends in the fork bag. All bags made by me to fit this bike.
Fully loaded? That's stripped for racing!I have a tent, quilt and mat in the saddle bag, a pair of shoes underneath it and clothes in the handlebar bag. Carbon tent pole strapped to the underside of the top tube. Clothes in the handlebar bag and tools/spares in the small top tube wedge. Odds and ends in the fork bag. All bags made by me to fit this bike.
Never done any racing, but like to travel light. More bag space just means carrying more, but also understand that people like to carry more.
Definitely not stripped for racing! Nice contrasts.
The thing I don't like about traditional panniers is they can become dislodged when comedy off-roading whereas bike packing bags probably won't.
The thing I don't like about traditional panniers is they can become dislodged when comedy off-roading whereas bike packing bags probably won't.
I hadn't encountered this phenomenon until I used a pair of front-rollers on the back of my Reasonably Priced Mountain Bicycle[1] descending the lane with the shark-infested potholes at speed on one of the Tan Hill rides. The main fixings were fine, but the lower hooks kept getting shaken out from behind the rack struts.
It seems that the suspension on my touring bike (which has done plenty of comedy off-roading over the years) serves to keep the bags attached, as well as not rattling your BRANES. The main problem there is riding through a gap in the undergrowth that's narrower than the low-riders.
[1] Not very Mildly Inappropriate, I know, but I did end up wading through a bog and chucking the bike in a beck on the way up, so I was grateful for proper Ortliebs...
Exactly. Some years ago me and The Current Mrs R were moving at speed along a very busy A road astride Tina the Tandem and one of my ancient Karrimor rear panniers became dislodged and jammed the rear wheel causing a rapid and unwelcome emergency stop. Said pannier went in the bin as soon as we got home.