Author Topic: [HAMR] Tracking  (Read 18424 times)

Re: Tracking
« Reply #75 on: 05 January, 2015, 07:08:22 pm »
Total mileage seems to have dissappeared from the tracker site???

Yes. Because it's misleading wrong. The sample rate is too low to give an accurate distance. Strava is definitive.

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #76 on: 05 January, 2015, 07:28:07 pm »
If I could, id vote for putting it back!

By now we all know it's under-reading (which is better than over-reading),  and a few miles doesn't matter.
It was perfectly good for telling the difference between 150-mile days and 300 i.e. is today a long/fast/slow/short one? Has he had a mare somewhere?
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Re: Tracking
« Reply #77 on: 05 January, 2015, 07:46:56 pm »
If I could, id vote for putting it back!

Me too.
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Re: Tracking
« Reply #78 on: 05 January, 2015, 08:04:03 pm »
yup, please reinstate the mileage. It gives us a much better idea of distance even if it's not wholly accurate.

Re: Tracking
« Reply #79 on: 05 January, 2015, 08:23:47 pm »
The problem is the number of queries it generates from Steve's increasingly numerous but often not IT or cycling savvy followers. Answering them all is a time-sink.


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Re: Tracking
« Reply #80 on: 05 January, 2015, 10:06:28 pm »
It was about 8% out every day - so getting more and more meaningless on the cumulative basis -- so after a couple of months -- it would have been so far out  as to be totally irrelevant
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Re: Tracking
« Reply #81 on: 05 January, 2015, 10:16:44 pm »
Just checked strava - 1,535km = 953 miles which works out at 190 miles per day. He is on schedule.

Hope Steve is feeling well. He will need to eat lots of good food not just calories - fruit and veg will have to be consumed in high quantities.

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #82 on: 05 January, 2015, 10:18:36 pm »
Anyone else think that the "moving average speed" is incorrect?  It doesn't seem to be consistent  with the individual speeds shown for each segment, which are in general much lower than the quoted average. 

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #83 on: 05 January, 2015, 10:20:16 pm »
Just checked strava - 1,535km = 953 miles which works out at 190 miles per day. He is on schedule.

Hope Steve is feeling well. He will need to eat lots of good food not just calories - fruit and veg will have to be consumed in high quantities.

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #84 on: 05 January, 2015, 10:33:56 pm »
His PLAN for Jan is for 5270 miles a daily average of 170  - see the full plan under the preparation section on the web site.

What i do not know - and I dont think the team has discussed this at all is -- do we look for a day off towards the end of the month - if it obvious that he has 5270 under his belt.

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #85 on: 05 January, 2015, 10:43:02 pm »
His PLAN for Jan is for 5270 miles a daily average of 170  - see the full plan under the preparation section on the web site.

What i do not know - and I dont think the team has discussed this at all is -- do we look for a day off towards the end of the month - if it obvious that he has 5270 under his belt.

Roger

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #86 on: 06 January, 2015, 12:35:48 am »
No days off unless absolutely unavoidable. Tommy had one day off in the year. Perhaps a slightly shorter day to knock back any sleep debt but that is entirely up to Steve, not his support team.
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Re: Tracking
« Reply #87 on: 06 January, 2015, 12:56:59 am »
I've no experience of the magnitude of what Steve is trying but my instinct is to agree with LWaB, even though he's from a factory that may have processed Australians.  If Steve feels fine he should ride, to hedge against the days he doesn't feel up to it or is prevented by, say, a sandstorm.  I would have thought the fewer plans and goals, the better.  That said, and I hope he succeeds, he wouldn't go down in my estimation at all if he packed in tomorrow!



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Re: Tracking
« Reply #88 on: 06 January, 2015, 01:48:30 am »
Given that the weather at this time of year could enforce a very light day on him, or even a day without any riding at all, I would think that, as long as he is physically OK churning out these miles, then carry on building up a buffer. I'm aware he is behind what the overall daily average will have to be at the end of the year, but the ideal situation for Steve is to be reducing the daily requirement to the record by the vernal equinox.

If we get a re-run of last Feb/March, when it never stopped raining, or 2013, when we had those bitterly cold north-easterlies for weeks on end, he'll be glad of a few miles in the bank.
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Re: Tracking
« Reply #89 on: 06 January, 2015, 05:17:46 am »
No days off unless absolutely unavoidable. Tommy had one day off in the year. Perhaps a slightly shorter day to knock back any sleep debt but that is entirely up to Steve, not his support team.

According to http://phased.co.uk/tommy-godwin-faq/ he had a rest day on October 28th, to meet the HRH Prince of Wales[1] presumably for tea and medals, having just broken the one-year record.
Looking at Steve's plan, lets pencil that in for Nov 28 shall we?


[1] - This seems a bit queer as there was no incumbent Prince of Wales in 1939 (according to the oracle). The current Prince of Wales was not yet born, and his predecessor, Edward VIII, had already ceded the PoW title having become the jolly old King some three years prior.

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #90 on: 06 January, 2015, 02:39:25 pm »
Yep, no PoW between the accession of Edward VIII and Charles being Walesised in 1958.

I think Steve should get to meet the Queen should circumstances arise, just to see the reaction of the Palace flunkies on him eating everything in sight.  Including at least one corgi.
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Re: Tracking
« Reply #91 on: 06 January, 2015, 03:03:11 pm »
Yep, no PoW between the accession of Edward VIII and Charles being Walesised in 1958.

I think Steve should get to meet the Queen should circumstances arise, just to see the reaction of the Palace flunkies on him eating everything in sight.  Including at least one corgi.

Only one?....they are not very big you know! I reckon he'll be able to mange 3 or 4 by then ;-)

Re: Tracking
« Reply #92 on: 06 January, 2015, 03:04:05 pm »
Yep, no PoW between the accession of Edward VIII and Charles being Walesised in 1958.

I think Steve should get to meet the Queen should circumstances arise, just to see the reaction of the Palace flunkies on him eating everything in sight.  Including at least one corgi.

Steve is over 18 so Andy won't be interested!!    ((topical!!)_))

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #93 on: 06 January, 2015, 08:42:00 pm »
It appears that the GPX files that can be downloaded from Strava (as a premium member) only contain the lat/long points and no time-stamps for each trackpoint. This would limit analytical and visualization potential somewhat.

I have a hacky way of grabbing the full data for each track point (lat,long, altitude, timestamp), but I am not entirely confident that this will be possible throughout the year. It also gives a minor discrepancy in distance (c.200m in 300km) compared to that reported on the Strava web page.

Does anyone know of an official way of being able to download the complete timestamped data for each day's riding?

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #94 on: 06 January, 2015, 11:00:00 pm »
Jo - have you tried the "Download all your data" button on https://www.strava.com/settings/profile
This worked for my non-premium tandem account, and appears to have timestamps on track points - sample below:


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<gpx creator="StravaGPX" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/GpxExtensions/v3 http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/GpxExtensionsv3.xsd http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/TrackPointExtension/v1 http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/TrackPointExtensionv1.xsd" xmlns:gpxtpx="http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/TrackPointExtension/v1" xmlns:gpxx="http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/GpxExtensions/v3">
 <metadata>
  <time>2014-12-18T13:01:48Z</time>
 </metadata>
 <trk>
  <name>3x 10miles, plus hill climbing!</name>
  <trkseg>
   <trkpt lat="37.3671000" lon="-122.0603010">
    <ele>0.0</ele>
    <time>2014-12-18T13:01:48Z</time>
    <extensions>
     <gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
      <gpxtpx:atemp>12</gpxtpx:atemp>
      <gpxtpx:hr>20</gpxtpx:hr>
     </gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
    </extensions>
   </trkpt>
   <trkpt lat="37.3671000" lon="-122.0603400">
    <ele>0.0</ele>
    <time>2014-12-18T13:01:49Z</time>
    <extensions>
     <gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
      <gpxtpx:atemp>12</gpxtpx:atemp>
      <gpxtpx:hr>21</gpxtpx:hr>
     </gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
    </extensions>
   </trkpt>


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Re: Tracking
« Reply #95 on: 06 January, 2015, 11:32:03 pm »
Sure, I can do that for my own data, but not from someone else's (i.e. Steve's, IronOx's and Tarzan's).

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Re: Tracking
« Reply #96 on: 07 January, 2015, 03:17:33 am »
Sure, I can do that for my own data, but not from someone else's (i.e. Steve's, IronOx's and Tarzan's).

Ah righty. For Steve I was assuming you'd be in cahoots with the support team to have them do this, put the result somewhere, and you access that. But as you're asking for visualizations - presumably updating as he goes day by day - this would be very tedious. (and, it looks like strava only allows this button to be pressed every so many days anyway).

I think the "correct" answer is you develop the visualization as a web app against the strava API, like http://veloviewer.com/ or http://canini.me/eddington and then have the users in question authorize your app to pull their data and put the result somewhere public. Hoops, jump through.
One counter-example is http://strava-tools.raceshape.com/snap/ -- that appears to be able to pull complete track file for any strava activity without requiring authorization from the owner of the activity. Could be instructive to dig into how that works.

Re: Tracking
« Reply #97 on: 07 January, 2015, 08:48:40 pm »
No days off unless absolutely unavoidable. Tommy had one day off in the year. Perhaps a slightly shorter day to knock back any sleep debt but that is entirely up to Steve, not his support team.

According to http://phased.co.uk/tommy-godwin-faq/ he had a rest day on October 28th, to meet the HRH Prince of Wales[1] presumably for tea and medals, having just broken the one-year record.
Looking at Steve's plan, lets pencil that in for Nov 28 shall we?


[1] - This seems a bit queer as there was no incumbent Prince of Wales in 1939 (according to the oracle). The current Prince of Wales was not yet born, and his predecessor, Edward VIII, had already ceded the PoW title having become the jolly old King some three years prior.

Yep, I have definitely got it wrong. The diary entry is pencil written and says "Prince of Wales". I had always assumed that it was royalty but turns out it was a pub in London. I believe a lot of cyclists used to hang out there and guess there was some sort of ceremony. I've been trying to find more details and spoke to the Pedal Club who used to meet there, but they were not formed until 1941. The plot thickens (and I've updated the FAQ)

Re: Tracking
« Reply #98 on: 07 January, 2015, 08:53:45 pm »
No days off unless absolutely unavoidable. Tommy had one day off in the year. Perhaps a slightly shorter day to knock back any sleep debt but that is entirely up to Steve, not his support team.

According to http://phased.co.uk/tommy-godwin-faq/ he had a rest day on October 28th, to meet the HRH Prince of Wales[1] presumably for tea and medals, having just broken the one-year record.
Looking at Steve's plan, lets pencil that in for Nov 28 shall we?


[1] - This seems a bit queer as there was no incumbent Prince of Wales in 1939 (according to the oracle). The current Prince of Wales was not yet born, and his predecessor, Edward VIII, had already ceded the PoW title having become the jolly old King some three years prior.

Yep, I have definitely got it wrong. The diary entry is pencil written and says "Prince of Wales". I had always assumed that it was royalty but turns out it was a pub in London. I believe a lot of cyclists used to hang out there and guess there was some sort of ceremony. I've been trying to find more details and spoke to the Pedal Club who used to meet there, but they were not formed until 1941. The plot thickens (and I've updated the FAQ)

Going to a pub is far better  :D

Re: Tracking
« Reply #99 on: 07 January, 2015, 08:56:44 pm »
He was teetotal