Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => PBP => Topic started by: Jonah on 24 April, 2019, 06:45:58 pm
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Can one substitute shorter rides for longer?
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Do you mean longer rides for shorter? The answer to that question is yes.
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Indeed. Infamously, one AUK has qualified - in 2003, I think - with 4 back to back 600s.
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But you don't get the ACP SR medal unless you have the full set.
J
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But you don't get the ACP SR medal unless you have the full set.
J
Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
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Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
No, any order is fine within the same Audax year.
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Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
No, any order is fine within the same Audax year.
Thanks
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Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
No, any order is fine within the same Audax year.
For Hysterical Raisins, the ACP year and the AUK year are not the same, and neither is the same as the calendar year.
Worth remembering.
J
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Might tick the box for the BRM SR medal when I register this time. Outside of PBP years it is rare that all my rides comprising the SR are BRM.
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Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
No, any order is fine within the same Audax year.
When I got my ACP SR medal it was 400 600 300 200 and the 200 was in a different auk year but same acp year.
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Might tick the box for the BRM SR medal when I register this time. Outside of PBP years it is rare that all my rides comprising the SR are BRM.
Is it correct that the design only changes after pbp so 201i is the same as 2017 but 2020 will be different?
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Might tick the box for the BRM SR medal when I register this time. Outside of PBP years it is rare that all my rides comprising the SR are BRM.
Is it correct that the design only changes after pbp so 201i is the same as 2017 but 2020 will be different?
That is the case, yes.
J
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Might tick the box for the BRM SR medal when I register this time. Outside of PBP years it is rare that all my rides comprising the SR are BRM.
Is it correct that the design only changes after pbp so 201i is the same as 2017 but 2020 will be different?
I haven't been collecting them, so don't really know. A refresh every four years would make sense.
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But you don't get the ACP SR medal unless you have the full set.
J
Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
I'm pretty sure that QG herself posted that it was a requirement somewhere in her locale - probably Netherlands, possibly Belgium?
I'd never heard of it before then, nor since.
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But you don't get the ACP SR medal unless you have the full set.
J
Somewhere on here a few months ago, I noticed a post that seemed to imply that not only do you need the full set, but you need them in the right order. Seems overly rigid to me. Anyone know if it's true?
I'm pretty sure that QG herself posted that it was a requirement somewhere in her locale - probably Netherlands, possibly Belgium?
I'd never heard of it before then, nor since.
This is where this came from: it's an 'NL' thing.
https://www.randonneurs.nl/paris-brest-paris/
"Brevetten moeten in opvolgende volgorde worden volbracht. Een korte afstand mag door een langere afstand worden vervangen. Dat houdt in dat het eerste brevet minimaal 200 km moet zijn, het tweede minimaal 300, het derde minmaal 400 en het vierde minimaal 600. Rijdt je meer brevetten dan kun je er vier in (tijds)volgorde kiezen."
which in G-translate suggests (with edits):
"Brevets must be completed in the following order. A short distance may be replaced by a longer one. This means that the first ride must be at least 200 km, the second at least 300, the third at least 400 and the fourth at least 600. If you ride more brevets, you can choose four [but] in (chronological) order."
I'll take a bet that ACP will not care a jot when the NL-based rider comes to register: they'll just be looking for the set (200 300 400 600) and there'll be no avenue for RandonneursNL 'gotabeinorder' moderation.
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The ACP rules call it a "series (http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/312.html)", which you could pedantically read as them wanting it to be done in order, although you'd expect it to be explicit.
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Ah but what order? A series certainly does not have to be in ascending sequence from any mathematical point of view. Pedant hat off. ACP won't care.
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The Dutch BRM calendar only offers a sequential series from 200 to 600.
I think there is one 400 between various 600's .. so if you do your qualifying there you have no choice. There are no 200/300 now til July in NL.
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Stupid question: If substituting a 400KM with a 600KM BRM, do you have to ride the full distance of 600KM for it to count, or can you just ride 400KM+ of the 600 for it to count as a 400KM?
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If you start a brevet, you have to finish the whole thing for the brevet to count towards anything.
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Thanks, that's clear
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Is it possible to complete the registration process if some of your results remain "provisional" i.e. don't have an ACP number? Or am I misremembering that the qualification process has to be completed by ~20 June?
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From:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/
Registration
Registration is not the same as pre-registration
Registration will open on 1 June 2019.
If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 June 2019 or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost.
You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 July 2019.
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From:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/
Registration
Registration is not the same as pre-registration
Registration will open on 1 June 2019.
If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 June 2019 or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost.
You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 July 2019.
Many thanks that's clear. It does suggest that whoever is responsible for such things will have to be a bit quicker turning "provisional" results into finals than is sometimes the case, given that the last PBP qualifiers are on 22 June. Or am I misunderstanding?
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From:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/
Registration
Registration is not the same as pre-registration
Registration will open on 1 June 2019.
If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 June 2019 or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost.
You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 July 2019.
Many thanks that's clear. It does suggest that whoever is responsible for such things will have to be a bit quicker turning "provisional" results into finals than is sometimes the case, given that the last PBP qualifiers are on 22 June. Or am I misunderstanding?
In previous years 600s have been validated very quickly due to the tight timescales - ACP are well aware of the brevity. I think the last time my 600 results were posted in a couple of days.
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The need for speed is understood ...
I think that last time, the ACP homologation numbers for the very last qualifier were issued within an hour of the provisional results having been confirmed by the Recorder and Validation Secretary.
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Thanks folks. Nerves duly calmed.
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From:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/
Registration
Registration is not the same as pre-registration
Registration will open on 1 June 2019.
If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 June 2019 or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost.
You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 July 2019.
Key here for those who are riding their 'last' qualifier later rather than earlier, is to go in and 'start' the registration process in the first half of June. A rider will have to have completed their 2,3 and 400s by then and likely homolgated (ie with ACP numbers on the ACP database). Then follow up with the 600 homolgation before 3 Jul.
"Registration
"The registration period begins on 25 May 2019 and ends on 03 July 2019. Registrations can be made . . . before having completed [all] the qualifying brevets, but you need to provide the missing brevet certification numbers on or before 03 July 2019 or your registration will be cancelled."
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From:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/
Registration
Registration is not the same as pre-registration
Registration will open on 1 June 2019.
If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 June 2019 or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost.
You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 July 2019.
Key here for those who are riding there 'last' qualifier later rather than earlier, is to go in and 'start' the registration process in the first half of June. A rider will have to have completed their 2,3 and 400s by then and likely homolgated (ie with ACP numbers on the ACP database). Then follow up with the 600 homolgation before 3 Jul.
"Registration
"The registration period begins on 25 May 2019 and ends on 03 July 2019. Registrations can be made . . . before having completed [all] the qualifying brevets, but you need to provide the missing brevet certification numbers on or before 03 July 2019 or your registration will be cancelled."
or in my case 200, 300 and 600 as my BCM number should come through long before back to the smoke.
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Key here for those who are riding there 'last' qualifier later rather than earlier, is to go in and 'start' the registration process in the first half of June. A rider will have to have completed their 2,3 and 400s by then and likely homolgated (ie with ACP numbers on the ACP database). Then follow up with the 600 homolgation before 3 Jul.
"Registration
"The registration period begins on 25 May 2019 and ends on 03 July 2019. Registrations can be made . . . before having completed [all] the qualifying brevets, but you need to provide the missing brevet certification numbers on or before 03 July 2019 or your registration will be cancelled."
or in my case 200, 300 and 600 as my BCM number should come through long before back to the smoke.
PBP site: "You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration."
Since they (ACP) are not opening any places up if pre-registrants fail to register, will a rider already pre-registered who then doesn't register by 20 June (say for example they are waiting on a 3rd homologation number), just lose their start slot, full stop?
(Asking for a friend: I'm already registered and just waiting on the BCM results/homologation.)
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Oh thanks for that. I was waiting till I'd nailed 600 before completing registration, thinking you had till 3rd July. Will complete registration as soon as the numbers appear for my 400.
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Registration section of PBP site says "You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration."
But the Rules subsection (under the 'Ride' button on the left) http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=randonnee&page=reglement
says: "If you have not converted your preregistration into a definite registration until June 23, 2019 at midnight (French time), you will lose your reserved place. You can still apply for registration, but without priority."
but then says (same Article (4)):
"Preregistrations will be cancelled on June 20th, 2019 if the registration was not initiated (minimum three Qualifying events ("BRM") needed in the registration form)."
Which is it, I wonder, or have I mis-read?
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And the pbp plaquette states entries must be started by 18th june
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From:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/
Registration
Registration is not the same as pre-registration
Registration will open on 1 June 2019.
If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 June 2019 or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost.
You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 July 2019.
Many thanks that's clear. It does suggest that whoever is responsible for such things will have to be a bit quicker turning "provisional" results into finals than is sometimes the case, given that the last PBP qualifiers are on 22 June. Or am I misunderstanding?
In previous years 600s have been validated very quickly due to the tight timescales - ACP are well aware of the brevity. I think the last time my 600 results were posted in a couple of days.
I thought we had until the 20th June to convert our pre-registration to a full registration?
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=comment_sinscrire
You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration.
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Still waiting for my 400 from 18th May to progress from provisional (and my 600 25th May). Hope there's OK slots left when it comes through!
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I don't think your slot changes.
Still two qualifiers to work through the validation process but I won't get worried for a while yet.
In 1999, three of my qualifiers were held on the last possible weekend for the distance. PBP is a one-shot event, so doing qualifiers with the same approach was worthwhile practice.
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Sorry - I meant slots for bike checks. I'm happy with my start wave time and know that's fixed as long as I register.
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The bike check is perfunctory and an excuse to socialise with friends new and old before the big event. The exact bike check time slot doesn't really matter.
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The need for speed is understood ...
That understanding has to start with all four organisers of the last-gasp 600s. I'm sure the validation team will be up for it but there's no point if any one of those four goes all laid-back after the event (as organisers often do, quite understandably). I note that one of them is a postal finish :o :hand: :o