Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 08 June, 2020, 08:57:14 pm
Comments on their choices? Or their criteria, such as they are? Things they should have added or stuff they've needlessly included? What would your top twelve (or nine or six or three or maybe just one) be?
Post by: IanN on 08 June, 2020, 09:07:35 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 08 June, 2020, 09:11:37 pm
And I've just spotted that it's an article that's a year or two old, 'updated' and polished. As so much of road.cc is nowadays. ::-)
Post by: JonBuoy on 08 June, 2020, 09:15:33 pm
Needless to say I was disappointed.
I guess that the article wasn't polished that much.
Post by: Milkmaid on 08 June, 2020, 09:34:31 pm
I'm disappointed they didn't include a fixed gear with a front basket...
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Post by: rob on 08 June, 2020, 10:04:46 pm
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Post by: LateStarter on 09 June, 2020, 01:15:37 am
Post by: jimmea on 09 June, 2020, 05:23:52 am
A nice looking Kinesis at a great price there WCTD :thumbsup:
I think I'll pass ::-)
Post by: canny colin on 09 June, 2020, 06:33:48 am
Post by: HeltorChasca on 09 June, 2020, 07:28:08 am
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 09 June, 2020, 08:39:32 am
Post by: L CC on 09 June, 2020, 08:47:04 am
You need to get out more, Cudzo.
No tandems on the list. Colour me disappointed.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 09 June, 2020, 08:48:59 am
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 09 June, 2020, 08:53:30 am
HK & LW&B frequently use their Moultons, as does/did Socks.Never met any of them.
You need to get out more, Cudzo.
No tandems on the list. Colour me disappointed.
Yes!
Good point. Or is that two points?
Post by: De Sisti on 09 June, 2020, 10:01:45 am
Don't think I've ever seen anyone audaxing on a Moulton. Bromptons, Pashley roadsters, mountain bikes, fixies with ludicrously high gears... but never a Moulton. Well, there's only one way to change that...I've seen Judith wotsaname riding one in the Upper Thames 200k.
Post by: Ian H on 09 June, 2020, 10:21:13 am
Only the Van Nicholas has a Brooks saddle, (what looks like a Cambium), others can't be real Audax bikes, where are the B17.
I can't imagine buying a complete bike 'off-the-shelf', and riding it just as it comes.
Post by: tomj on 09 June, 2020, 02:16:23 pm
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Post by: citoyen on 09 June, 2020, 04:09:21 pm
They aren't for the vast majority of people that do them.aka the losers
Slightly surprised not to see the Trek Domane on the list (especially as the Roubaix is included) but I don’t know most of the featured bikes well enough to comment on them.
Post by: bairn again on 09 June, 2020, 04:27:22 pm
But then I just did a google search and see that they now have Aluminium rather than steel frames which rather negates my comment re comfort (and explains why they are cheaper now than almost 20 years ago). I'm sure somebody will point out that theyve not had steel frames for about a century and I will feel very old. I gave my Galaxy away to a younger skint colleague who had just bought a flat and was starting to cycle to work. I still see it every now and then. :thumbsup:
For audax I fell in love with a Specialized Roubaix in 2007 and apart from an il advised dalliance with a Van Nick Zephyr in 2012 (more sluggish than the Galaxy and its been hanging up in the garage for at least 5 years) Ive never ridden anything else.
Post by: Lightning Phil on 09 June, 2020, 06:39:08 pm
Post by: HeltorChasca on 09 June, 2020, 08:38:48 pm
Don't think I've ever seen anyone audaxing on a Moulton. Bromptons, Pashley roadsters, mountain bikes, fixies with ludicrously high gears... but never a Moulton. Well, there's only one way to change that...I need your wise advice in my life
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Post by: IanN on 09 June, 2020, 08:56:33 pm
HeltorChasca - you don't need a Moulton - you need a fast tandem for team Leaf :demon:
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 09 June, 2020, 08:58:58 pm
Post by: Andy W on 10 June, 2020, 01:12:56 am
Complete with mudguards ( and homemade mudflaps), also it has a Schmidt dynamo. It's a proper Audax bike as per the rules. And Campagnolo components.
Some people turn up on carbon fibre bikes, no mudguards or dynamo ,no Audax monicker, spray mud and water on me. It's not fair! Also, on the Dunwich Dynamo, most bikes didn't have a dynamo, so shouldn't have even started that race either.
Post by: HeltorChasca on 10 June, 2020, 07:21:03 am
The problem with threads like this is not that I now lust after <sensible, fast, comfortable bike of choice>, but that I have spent an undisclosed length of time looking up Longstaff and Trykit. :facepalm:Hmmm. I have seen some YouTube footage of a Moulton tandem. I did like the tandem you had.
HeltorChasca - you don't need a Moulton - you need a fast tandem for team Leaf :demon:
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Post by: IJL on 10 June, 2020, 10:26:10 am
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Some people turn up on carbon fibre bikes, no mudguards or dynamo ,no Audax monicker,
Its a slippery slope and something needs to be done, Brooks, Carradice, Tea and misery is what its all about. You tell young people today.............
Post by: mcshroom on 10 June, 2020, 10:53:59 am
I was going to say that for quality comfort and durability Im surprised not to see a Dawes Galaxy in there. I did the very lumpy Tayside Transgression twice on my Dawes Galaxy 2002/3 my first ever 300s and while I was towards the back of the field, discomfort wasnt a factor.
But then I just did a google search and see that they now have Aluminium rather than steel frames which rather negates my comment re comfort (and explains why they are cheaper now than almost 20 years ago). I'm sure somebody will point out that theyve not had steel frames for about a century and I will feel very old. I gave my Galaxy away to a younger skint colleague who had just bought a flat and was starting to cycle to work. I still see it every now and then. :thumbsup:
They've renamed the whole range Galaxy to cash in on the name. The cheapest (which is similar to the old Vantage/Horizon 10ish years ago) is Aluminium, but the higher spec ones are still steel. My favourite Audax bike was my R520 steel Dawes Horizon, which felt quite quick and springy when set up with lighter tyres. I definitely appreciated the 42-32-22 chainset I had in it at one point at end of a 400 ;D
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 June, 2020, 11:06:16 am
Post by: Karla on 10 June, 2020, 11:11:31 am
The Dawes bikes haven't even been the best heavy touring bike for years. The Surly LHT took that crown long ago, and there are plenty of others like the Kona Sutra that I'd take before the Dawes on a properly long trip.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 June, 2020, 11:40:53 am
Hmm, I've a Longstaff Compact Audax bike.They might have sneaked in by wearing shirts from Ukraine's premier football club.
Complete with mudguards ( and homemade mudflaps), also it has a Schmidt dynamo. It's a proper Audax bike as per the rules. And Campagnolo components.
Some people turn up on carbon fibre bikes, no mudguards or dynamo ,no Audax monicker, spray mud and water on me. It's not fair! Also, on the Dunwich Dynamo, most bikes didn't have a dynamo, so shouldn't have even started that race either.
Post by: Davef on 10 June, 2020, 12:39:08 pm
Audaxes are not competitions or races; really?“sportives are for people pretending to race and audax for people pretending not to”
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Post by: Greenbank on 10 June, 2020, 12:42:28 pm
"You can tell the Audaxer on a Sportive, he's the one with the chip on his shoulder."
Post by: SoreTween on 10 June, 2020, 03:06:14 pm
Don't think I've ever seen anyone audaxing on a Moulton.A Moulton was used on the 1st edition of Don't Keep to the Roads.
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 10 June, 2020, 03:08:58 pm
Has been spotted and admired in the territory of the Flatlanders
Post by: Socks on 10 June, 2020, 03:12:38 pm
Don't think I've ever seen anyone audaxing on a Moulton.A Moulton was used on the 1st edition of Don't Keep to the Roads.
Yes, that was me on a 'Landrover APB' - all purpose bike with Landrover branding. Slightly more practical than another participant who was on a racing bike with close clearance frame.
Post by: HeltorChasca on 10 June, 2020, 03:38:26 pm
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 June, 2020, 03:40:16 pm
Post by: Lightning Phil on 10 June, 2020, 06:05:27 pm
I have a wood burner that I could sell which would mostly fund a Moulton purchase. I’m on the wrong thread aren’t I?
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Post by: Lightning Phil on 10 June, 2020, 06:06:18 pm
Post by: Davef on 10 June, 2020, 06:49:35 pm
A wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!You can get a wood burning phone charger. Take a long time to charge an ebike.
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 June, 2020, 07:13:47 pm
I've got a genius idea. A dynamo-charged ebike! Now, why has no one made one of those yet? ;)A wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!You can get a wood burning phone charger. Take a long time to charge an ebike.
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Post by: sojournermike on 10 June, 2020, 07:19:26 pm
A wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!
Woodn't you need a stoker?
Post by: Kim on 10 June, 2020, 07:45:40 pm
These sorts of articles are about the mainstream and most common choices. Audax encourages a wide variety of outlier machines but they are still outliers. The vast majority of audaxers choose carbon or aluminium bikes without mudguards, which is fine. Of course, I do reserve the right to quietly smirk at their choices during grotty events.
Yeah, it's not a "Bottom twelve bikes for audax" article, is it?
(Which I'd probably find a lot more interesting, but there you go...)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 10 June, 2020, 08:00:07 pm
::-) ;D :DA wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!
Woodn't you need a stoker?
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 June, 2020, 10:35:00 pm
Post by: rob on 11 June, 2020, 08:42:59 am
I do have one of the bikes on this list and have used it for Audax. It's not my best bike for Audax, which is not on the list, but I guess you can't buy a new Roberts anymore.
Geoff Roberts is still building. Based in Sussex these days.
http://www.geoffrobertsframes.co.uk/
Post by: rogerzilla on 11 June, 2020, 09:22:28 am
Me too...they always fit shite components where they don't show!Only the Van Nicholas has a Brooks saddle, (what looks like a Cambium), others can't be real Audax bikes, where are the B17.
I can't imagine buying a complete bike 'off-the-shelf', and riding it just as it comes.
Post by: rogerzilla on 11 June, 2020, 09:28:07 am
Thst would actually work, in a regenerative braking manner. Big dynamo locked out during pedalling, charges battery when freewheeling. Would take all the fun out of riding, as you'd need to pedal most of the time to avoid sharp deceleration. Could get you up hills nicely with electric assist, though.I've got a genius idea. A dynamo-charged ebike! Now, why has no one made one of those yet? ;)A wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!You can get a wood burning phone charger. Take a long time to charge an ebike.
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Post by: Davef on 11 June, 2020, 09:34:46 am
Some (but very few) ebikes have regenerative braking. It contributes about as much as the wood burning phone charger.Thst would actually work, in a regenerative braking manner. Big dynamo locked out during pedalling, charges battery when freewheeling. Would take all the fun out of riding, as you'd need to pedal most of the time to avoid sharp deceleration. Could get you up hills nicely with electric assist, though.I've got a genius idea. A dynamo-charged ebike! Now, why has no one made one of those yet? ;)A wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!You can get a wood burning phone charger. Take a long time to charge an ebike.
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Post by: mmmmartin on 11 June, 2020, 12:24:45 pm
My favourite Audax bike was my R520 steel Dawes Horizon, which felt quite quick and springy when set up with lighter tyres.I have memories of trying to keep up with you riding that on the Fridays' LEJoG trip some years ago. Happy days.
Post by: Kim on 11 June, 2020, 01:18:57 pm
Some (but very few) ebikes have regenerative braking. It contributes about as much as the wood burning phone charger.Thst would actually work, in a regenerative braking manner. Big dynamo locked out during pedalling, charges battery when freewheeling. Would take all the fun out of riding, as you'd need to pedal most of the time to avoid sharp deceleration. Could get you up hills nicely with electric assist, though.I've got a genius idea. A dynamo-charged ebike! Now, why has no one made one of those yet? ;)A wood burning Moulton? That beats an ebike in the conversation stakes!You can get a wood burning phone charger. Take a long time to charge an ebike.
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Any gearless hub motor can do it, given the right software. It's mostly useful as an anti-lock brake.
Post by: hubner on 11 June, 2020, 01:41:18 pm
I do have one of the bikes on this list and have used it for Audax. It's not my best bike for Audax, which is not on the list, but I guess you can't buy a new Roberts anymore.
Geoff Roberts is still building. Based in Sussex these days.
http://www.geoffrobertsframes.co.uk/
And Roberts' (of Croydon) framebuilder(s) have set up on their own after Roberts closed down.
Post by: mzjo on 11 June, 2020, 10:07:39 pm
Post by: Tull924 on 12 June, 2020, 07:32:01 pm
Hmm, I've a Longstaff Compact Audax bike.Sadly no longer an option
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 12 June, 2020, 08:32:15 pm
I have just clicked on the link to get a URL and a blank page. Probably about as relevant as the original article I would guess, reading your various comments (although I do like the idea of a wood-burning e-bike just need a big trailer to haul the power-station on).This link? https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/12-best-audax-bikes-257956
Should still work.
Post by: Paul H on 12 June, 2020, 09:04:52 pm
Every bike I've owned for the last twenty years (There's been a few) has been an Audax bike and except the one I didn't like, none of them looks anything like those ;)