Author Topic: British beer v foreign beer.  (Read 23038 times)

Flying_Monkey

Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #50 on: 08 October, 2009, 08:39:10 am »
The microbrewing thing has really hit Canada too, I've discovered. Unfortunately, there's not much distribution for microbrewed beers. Kingston, where I live, has its own Welcome to the Brew Pub - The Kingston Brewing Company, Kingston, Ontario, Canada, which makes pretty decent beer in several varieties, but if you are ever in Toronto, beerbistro toronto has a really good list of Canadian microbrews and some many international beers on draught and in bottles. I can particularly recommend the St Ambroise Oatmeal Stout and the Ephemere Pomme, both from Quebec.

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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #51 on: 08 October, 2009, 09:33:35 am »
I keep seeing Cwrw Gaeaf in Tescos, it's getting to the time of year when I should try it... Cwrw Hâf & Cwrw Brâf are already favourites.

It's very nice, as I remember.  We always stock up on Tomos Watkins beers when we visit Mrs Nerd's parents in Llanarthne.
We're soon moving to an entirely Greene King dominated town (they bought the local brewery in 1996), so we'll have to find a pub that has well stored guest beers.  I recently saw a pump for GK "IPA cold" which confirmed my suspicions about GK - they are the Carling / Carlsberg of "real ale".

Talking of super hopped beers - on holiday I had a Cape Cod IPA, which is probably how an IPA is supposed to be made: strong and hoppy, but it was too hoppy for my palette raised on Thwaites, Timothy Taylor and Moorhouses.

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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #52 on: 08 October, 2009, 10:35:49 am »
Whilst we are on beers, FWIW, I've just ordered casks of every real ale that is currently brewed in Hampshire - all 59 of them  ;D

That sounds like a good party - can we come ;D
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citoyen

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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #53 on: 08 October, 2009, 10:43:04 am »
That sounds like a good party

It sounds like the Hampshire Octoberfest run by North Hants Camra.

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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #54 on: 08 October, 2009, 09:59:00 pm »
Shame that the only Harviestoun beer I can get this far south is Bitter & Twisted, because Old Engine Oil sounds like I'd like it a lot. I'm actually salivating at the thought of Ola Dubh...

Schiehallion is my pick of that bunch.  Plus their seasonal beers ...

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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #55 on: 11 October, 2009, 05:46:16 pm »
Shame that the only Harviestoun beer I can get this far south is Bitter & Twisted, because Old Engine Oil sounds like I'd like it a lot. I'm actually salivating at the thought of Ola Dubh...

Ola Dubh, Old Engine Oil - nom, nom  :P

I once poured a half of OEO for Ken Brooker himself  O:-)

Flying_Monkey

Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #56 on: 16 October, 2009, 02:47:23 pm »
I found a company in Canada after my own heart... the Flying Monkeys brewery, who make this very nice Hoptical Illusion, which as it says, isn't really one thing or another - it's like a heavier, creamy version of pale ale, and it is good.


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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #57 on: 16 October, 2009, 02:53:39 pm »
I'd failed to spot this thread until now :)

Interesting comments on thin and bitter beers, given the location of the OP..

Pale and ferociously hoppy (and rather low alcohol) beers were typical of what i drank growing up not far from there.  Robinsons and of course Boddingtons when it was a local brewery.

The heaver and creamier beers I always associated with Yorkshire and the South

I can confirm Tewdric's admiration for Kingstone  - it's marvelous stuff, and sold in our village shop :)

Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #58 on: 16 October, 2009, 03:59:35 pm »
I'd failed to spot this thread until now :)


Too busy with your tax returns ?  ;)

I've never liked Robinsons but Boddingtons (from Manchester) always seemed rather sweet and smooth compared with the Thwaites bitters that I occasionally drank when I was a teenager in Blackburn.

Actually, apart from Holts and Marble, I don't like many of the Manchester beers: certainly Phoenix and Hydes are too bitter for me while JW Lees is fairly ho hum.
I'm looking forward to a pint of Fullers tomorrow after the FNRTTS  :thumbsup:

(Not with breakfast, I'm on an afternoon train  ::-))


Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #59 on: 16 October, 2009, 05:09:24 pm »
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I'm looking forward to a pint of Fullers tomorrow after the FNRTTS

At the Euston Arch?  :)

Doesn't Marble Manchester Bitter resemble Boddy's in its heyday?

Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #60 on: 17 October, 2009, 06:46:53 pm »
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I'm looking forward to a pint of Fullers tomorrow after the FNRTTS

At the Euston Arch?  :)

Doesn't Marble Manchester Bitter resemble Boddy's in its heyday?

Not the Euston Arch but at a pub on Aldwych (can't remember the name) where I can sit at the window and watch my bike. They also do a nice fish and chips.

I don't like any of the Marble beers except Ginger (I'm always disappointed when the Ginger's off).
My memory of the "old" Boddingtons is that it was creamier than Manchester Bitter but I'm thinking back a long time.........................



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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #61 on: 26 April, 2012, 05:22:30 pm »
What better way to see off a splendid Sunday, or for that matter, any evening, than a lovely pint of Poachers.
Hints of Damson and Liqourice 5.7%, and it's yum, yum, yum until the last drop.

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Re: English beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #62 on: 26 April, 2012, 05:44:34 pm »
I joined Camra recently and was delighted to get a huge stack of 50p off vouchers - for wetherspoons though which was less great.
 I joined because a local pub has opened after going bust, as a specialist real ale bar - loads of kegs with taps etc racked up and a gazillion odd bottled beers and ciders. I thought this is a venture that needs support, plus they do black pudding in batter as a barsnack which gets my vote.
After 4 months I and my beer chum have decided that about 1 in 5 beers we try in there is actually pleasant to drink, enough that you would want to have a second. They have lovely sounding names etc but they taste like something left in the garden for a week. I don't think I am a real ale man - London Pride is quite nice, and Timothy Taylors Landlord is pretty much perfection in a glass I reckon. These are of course looked down upon.
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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #63 on: 26 April, 2012, 09:12:37 pm »
Reading the first few posts of this thread the question was asked 'why do American beers brewed in the English tradition taste nothing like their English/British counterparts?' From my recent foray into making beer (it's the next big thing folks - you read it here first!), I'd say the Americans choose zingier, more citrusy hops (Amarillo, Citra, Centennial for example) and often use the same hop for bittering and aroma - giving a more refreshing taste, whereas here in the UK we seem to choose a greater variety of different hops at various stages of the boil to impart a more complex hop profile.

Two beers in front of me. One a London Pride clone - malty, and sweet, and although I used a heap of Target, Challenger and East Kent Goldings, it's not particularly hoppy (but that might be down to not using the correct Fullers strain of yeast), and the other an American IPA experiment - I'm getting grapefruit, oranges and melons </Jilly Goolden> - it's almost like a health drink. I'd say the Americans like a younger, fresher tasting beer in general, although they have become far more sophisticated and hungry to learn from and copy the European tradition in recent years.

Tigerrr - London Pride (when brewed by the professionals...) is a pretty darn good pint - and always a safe bet when confronted by an array of beertaps. If you want my idea of the perfect English Ale, then try a Fuller's ESB, although it takes a bit of getting used to as it's quite strong. And Landlord is a lovely pint too. (and Madonna's favourite when she was shacked up with Guy Ritchie!). I reckon I might have a go at making some too.

F*ck me. I've become a beer bore. Sorry



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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #64 on: 27 April, 2012, 08:13:24 am »
Nothing wrong in being a beer bore Golders. Worse than that, I think I've become…






… a beer 'ticker'!!

I'm also guilty of not really reading the main post of this thread, and just saw 'beer' ( a bit like Homer Simpson I suppose), but a friend bought me last year 'A 1001 beers to try before you die' book, and d'you know, I think it's doable! Well, I'm giving it a good stab anyway. Some have been bloody excellent, and that includes American brews. Some have been disappointing, and can't understand their inclusion.

There's a shop near me that has a good world selection, but sadly, having found ones that are in-the-bible-book, they prove too expensive. There's one from Scotland I've spotted, might be Old Engine Oil, that costs £10 for a 33cl bottle!!!!! Gawd.

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citoyen

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #65 on: 27 April, 2012, 10:34:42 am »
Some have been bloody excellent, and that includes American brews. Some have been disappointing, and can't understand their inclusion.

When I wrote my book about beer, the publisher gave me a list of beers I had to include, presumably for commercial reasons. There were plenty on the list that I wouldn't have included otherwise.  ::-)

(An online review of the book included the comment "This has the feel of a book that was hastily and cheaply put together." Astute.  ;) )

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #66 on: 27 April, 2012, 10:51:21 am »
There are numerous contributors to my fine tome Cyters. Were/are you solely the author to your mystery beer book?

What I have found, when purchasing those suggested in the book, is enjoying sharing them with a chum, and having m'dear wife asking our opinions on the taste while she's poised with the book in her lap, and that particular beer's tasting notes.

"Wet horse blanket! Hell the hell do you get wet horse blanket!! I've got the citrus part, and a bit of malt."

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citoyen

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #67 on: 27 April, 2012, 11:02:44 am »
There are numerous contributors to my fine tome Cyters. Were/are you solely the author to your mystery beer book?

Originally, yes, I was sole author when it was first published in 2005. But by the time it was in print, I wanted nothing more to do with it - it was a contract job rather than a labour of love, so I just took the money (when the cheapskate publishers eventually coughed up) and washed my hands of it. When they wanted to update it, they got someone else in. It was a one-off fee for the job, so I don't get any royalties, which makes me sick when I think how much they must have made out of selling it around the world (it's been translated into at least a dozen languages that I know of).

The aforementioned review is here - I think it's a very fair assessment of the book.

You won't be surprised to learn that it wasn't my idea to include a full page on Fosters. And I can't begin to tell you how hard it was to write a full page worth of positive guff about that abominable piss...  :facepalm:

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #68 on: 27 April, 2012, 12:23:24 pm »
Nice post Cyters. Made me smile for some reason!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: 2 'thumb's up' rating.

I have to say, in the '1001 …' book, the pics are fantastically good, and the beers are displayed in the appropriate glass.
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citoyen

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #69 on: 27 April, 2012, 12:39:50 pm »
Most of the pictures were lifted from an Italian part-work, iirc. And some of them looked quite badly out of date even in 2005.

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #70 on: 27 April, 2012, 12:45:32 pm »
Just spotted on Amazon that they now have a Look inside edition to view:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/1001-Beers-You-Must-Before/dp/1844036820/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335526984&sr=8-1
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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #71 on: 29 April, 2012, 10:49:53 pm »
You lot have just made me place an order with Miltons! I can't wait.
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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #72 on: 30 April, 2012, 09:56:46 am »
Miltons?
Certainly never seen cycling south of Sussex

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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #73 on: 30 April, 2012, 11:05:12 am »
In here is as good as anywhere, I suppose.

My family and I went out for lunch yesterday, to a local-ish pub.  I would normally drink Copper Dragon Golden Pippin (as seen on many a Thursday night pubbe ride).  the pub we went to though didn't have Golden Pippin, but had "Freddie Trueman", also by Skipton Brewery.  Very nice it was, a bit darker than Golden Pippin, but not too dark.  If I had not been driving I would have had 2.
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Re: British beer v foreign beer.
« Reply #74 on: 03 May, 2012, 04:38:37 am »
Miltons?

Milton Brewery in Cambridge. They make my fave beers "Marcus Aurelius" and "Nero".
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