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Title: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 01 April, 2013, 07:40:42 am
As a first timer for this, I've only just discovered the excellent and informative website. Here it is, in case you didn't know either: http://www.audax-salop.talktalk.net/elenydd/index.htm
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 01 April, 2013, 08:00:20 am
Enjoy :thumbsup:

It is undoubtedly one of the finest 300s.

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 01 April, 2013, 08:11:00 am
Cheers  8) can't wait to have a look-see round what will be mostly unknown pleasures to me. Just off for a "training ride" to make amends for a weekend on the wine and pavlova at a wedding  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 01 April, 2013, 08:40:35 am
Enjoy the Devil's Staircase and the road to Tregarron  8)

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 01 April, 2013, 11:41:04 am
Certainly I hear it is a gorgeous walk, not to be spoiled by riding a bicycle up it  O:-)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 01 April, 2013, 01:51:05 pm
It was a little too far west to incorporate into LE-JOG but there are some fine views derived from this, Mille Cymru and BCM to sample on our northward journey.

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Jord on 01 April, 2013, 06:10:34 pm
It is a fine route and I'm looking forward to riding it again this year. The controls are exceptional even the one just before the Long Mynd. One of the finest 300 I've done.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Blade on 01 April, 2013, 06:31:19 pm
Rode the 'old' version of this event 18 times.....and walked the Devils' Staircase every time.

Can't imagine that this year will be any different.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: mds101 on 01 April, 2013, 07:47:17 pm
I was looking forward to this ride but my offer of a bed has fallen through. its probably a bit cheeky but....is there anybody from Nottm. way doing this ride that might be able to offer a lift both ways?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: vorsprung on 02 April, 2013, 08:09:18 am
I hope the weather warms up a bit before the 13th

Last years event (https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/yr-elenydd/) saw some snow and it was generally warmer last spring

I'm not doing the ride this time, it is beautiful though
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Reg.T on 02 April, 2013, 09:11:52 am
The forecaster on the BBC1 breakfast show this morning (:hand:) was suggesting that temperatures might get back towards normal next week, so here's hoping...
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: teethgrinder on 02 April, 2013, 11:10:53 am
I remember drinking tea as it began to snow at the Devils Staircase control in 1997. Not enough snow to settle, but it wasn't very warm.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Euan Uzami on 02 April, 2013, 02:06:51 pm
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ol4buSrspFg/UVrXGJDmX6I/AAAAAAAABGA/ERCh6iX38dQ/s455/Untitled.png)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 02 April, 2013, 04:20:11 pm
Yebbut, that's shobden.  It will be hailing in the mountains!  :demon:

No, last year was grim up until shobden (pretty hefty rain) and then pretty good up and over the lumps.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Euan Uzami on 02 April, 2013, 05:00:38 pm
I think in 2011 it started off at 0 deg C and went up to about 25. I remember keep stopping about 5 times on the way to shobdon to remove layers.
 BUt that was the old kidderminster one. It's got to be ok on this one 'cos the new route's surely got to be still in its honeymoon period. ;)
I can't remember it being that bad last year.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 02 April, 2013, 05:03:21 pm
I think in 2011 it started off at 0 deg C and went up to about 25. I remember keep stopping about 5 times on the way to shobdon to remove layers.

Indeed. It was a real scorcher.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Martin on 02 April, 2013, 08:40:38 pm
I'm in  :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 03 April, 2013, 10:06:59 am
Lets hope it warms up a bit, there's still a good covering of snow on the Long Mynd. The real killer will be the headwind on the way back if this weather keeps up though.

Last call for entries - they close on Sunday. 114 in so far. I'll be emailing everyone later.

The route sheet for this year is on the website (subject to route check this weekend). For veterans of last year there's a couple of changes. The Roman Road to Stretton on the first leg is in even more appalling condition than usual after the winter so the first leg now uses the A49 down to Stretton. I've also provided an alternative to the final climb if the Mynd. It's a couple of miles further, saves all of about 50m of climbing and still involves a stonking descent but is on a better surfaced road.

I've got 23 signed in for the snoreathon in the hall - getting cosy now so if anyone else wants in let me know asap. Plenty of camping space for the hardy. The good news is that the pub in Upton Magna is open again after being closed the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Pip on 03 April, 2013, 11:42:31 am
I've wanted to ride this for many years, but work has always intervened. Looking forward to the challenge, the beautiful scenery (and hopefully a bit of warm sunshine).
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2013, 05:08:24 pm
Hopefully will have rebuilt rear wheel ready in time so we can use the tandem. I'm instructed not to attempt the Devil's Staircase.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Chris S on 03 April, 2013, 05:52:08 pm
Hopefully will have rebuilt rear wheel ready in time so we can use the tandem. I'm instructed not to attempt the Devil's Staircase.

How low is your lowest gear? More importantly - can you control the tandem at <2kph (I know I can't). The venerable Wowbagger tandem team can climb so slowly (and still remain upright) that their computer no longer registers forward motion. We should take lessons from the experts :).

Anyway - you're the pilot, it's your call  :demon:.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2013, 05:59:07 pm
If you've not done the Elenith you'd be forgiven for not realising that it's out of my hands. There is a roadside control at the bottom of the climb (unless things have changed) and I can't physically force the stoker to get back on.  ::-)

The one time I've ridden the climb, I averaged around 300W for 5 minutes, which remains a PR. I was knackered for the next 50km or so. I don't think it's worth attempting it on the tandem.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 03 April, 2013, 06:22:35 pm
Simon, how close to the actual "killer climb" is the control?  I was wondering whether eating anything more than a banana there might be, shall we say, counter-productive?  I remember the first time I attempted Fleet Moss, I had a meal in Hawes at the foot of the climb.  The meal won the last 200 yards hands down!

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 03 April, 2013, 06:29:47 pm
It's not an actual card-stamping control - but it seems to be a regular fixture to have a refreshment tent at the bottom (though I have heard tales of the tent being up at the top somewhere in years past?  Must have been breezy!).  It serves tea and cakes etc. rather than anything heftier. 

If you plan to ride the staircase, then yes - keep intake to a minimum.  But if you plan to walk - take a load off and have a cuppa and a cake.

It's a great spot to stop and have a chat - you know what's coming around the corner, but everyone puts on a brave face and has a laugh.  Those brave faces will be wiped away by the time everyone reaches the Bowling Club!

I rode it the first year (younger and stupider with something to prove) - the next year I walked - there's very little time difference, but a huge difference in effort.

Edited to add photo from last year (car boot rather than tent):

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/7079924323_4fee8b667b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcusjb/7079924323/)
At the Devil's Staircase checkpoint (http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcusjb/7079924323/) by marcus_jb1973 (http://www.flickr.com/people/marcusjb/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 03 April, 2013, 06:33:39 pm
Thanks Marcus.  It's preying on my mind a little!  Having just managed Park Rash, I thought I might give it both barrels but as the Staircase comes after 100 or so k, I think my powder will be pretty damp by then.  I'm really looking forward to the whole ride, though; lots of country I've never seen.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 03 April, 2013, 06:39:33 pm
It's a hard climb for sure - but fairly short.  The bad news is that although it's the 'headline' climb, there are more to come (and straight after the staircase, you drop down before another sharp climb). 

The Bowling Club is one of my favourite audax controls ever - partly because they look after you very well, but mainly for the very unique atmosphere as everyone sits in quiet contemplation (often with a 1000-yard stare) about what they've just gone through (and knowing what is still to come).

This really is one of the finest rides in the calendar, through some magnificent countryside.  There's no doubt that it is a hard ride, but it rewards you with some truly exceptional roads.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 03 April, 2013, 06:46:57 pm
The checkpoint is right at the foot of the Staircase. Just cakes & squash on offer. In years gone by it used to be at the top but it's very exposed up there and yes, the tent has blown away in the past.

simonp, we'll be recce'ing on the tandem this weekend. Will see whether we make it up or not.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 03 April, 2013, 07:06:04 pm
I remeber the first time I saw this climb I just got off the bike and laughed  ;D

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 03 April, 2013, 07:17:11 pm
Peter - you won't have a problem.  The first bit is steep but then it just drags on.  I would say Fleet Moss (from N side) is harder.  See you on the day.  Here's hoping for dry weather and not too windy.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: αdαmsκι on 03 April, 2013, 07:18:55 pm
You are doing a bike ride, not a ldwa event (http://www.ldwa.org.uk/). MTFU and ride up the staircase ;). And the climb after Dolgoch. And the Pont-rhyd-y-groes climb. And.... And..... And....
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Deano on 03 April, 2013, 07:23:56 pm
Simon, how close to the actual "killer climb" is the control?  I was wondering whether eating anything more than a banana there might be, shall we say, counter-productive?  I remember the first time I attempted Fleet Moss, I had a meal in Hawes at the foot of the climb.  The meal won the last 200 yards hands down!

I did that last year, on one of Dave Atkinson's perms which rather cruelly has Kettlewell as a control just before Park Rash; the pint of Copper Dragon at the pub did not make the climb any easier.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: LindaG on 03 April, 2013, 07:28:34 pm
Simon, how close to the actual "killer climb" is the control?  I was wondering whether eating anything more than a banana there might be, shall we say, counter-productive?  I remember the first time I attempted Fleet Moss, I had a meal in Hawes at the foot of the climb.  The meal won the last 200 yards hands down!

I did that last year, on one of Dave Atkinson's perms which rather cruelly has Kettlewell as a control just before Park Rash; the pint of Copper Dragon at the pub did not make the climb any easier.

You made it up the hill on your bike though.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: teethgrinder on 03 April, 2013, 07:31:39 pm
The checkpoint is right at the foot of the Staircase. Just cakes & squash on offer. In years gone by it used to be at the top but it's very exposed up there and yes, the tent has blown away in the past.


There used to be a lot of trees on the top of that hill, but they've all been cut down.
I fell off riding up the staircase one year because my back wheel span on wet pineleaves and I came to an abrupt halt, having run out of momentum to stay upright.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 03 April, 2013, 07:44:32 pm
I remember reading in Cycling Weekly a while back that it takes less effort to ride up a climb (as long as you don't run out of gears) than it does to push your bike up. It was all scientific, but I can't remember why.

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Chris S on 03 April, 2013, 08:10:28 pm
Er, yeah. Some chap with a white coat and a slide rule may say it's so - that doesn't make it so  :D.

Some hills are better walked up. For a whole host of reasons - that could well be different on the day.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 03 April, 2013, 08:17:39 pm
The climb in question is hard to push a bike up AND ride up.

I have never had square cycle stokes in my lowest gear on any other climb.

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 03 April, 2013, 08:18:34 pm
I did find it's easier to push your bike up a snowy hill than cycle up it.

Did the Autumn Epic sportive four times, which I think went up some of the same climbs, using my ally bike with low gears. If I do this, I'd be too tempted to shun the full mudguard steel bikes!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 03 April, 2013, 08:23:01 pm
I did find it's easier to push your bike up a snowy hill than cycle up it.

Did the Autumn Epic sportive four times, which I think went up some of the same climbs, using my ally bike with low gears. If I do this, I'd be too tempted to shun the full mudguard steel bikes!

There is only one way to find out... :demon:

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 03 April, 2013, 08:30:52 pm
To book, or not to book? 9, 11.5, or 13.5kg bike? Decisions, decisions!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: teethgrinder on 03 April, 2013, 08:53:33 pm
It's a very good ride. Easily one of the best IMO.
You can worry about which bike to use later on, but it's not that important. Well, it can't be really, someone even rode it on a BMX* in 1994.







*It was set up to a good riding position with a very long seatpin etc and did have a saddlebag, but still had the low singlespeed gear and other BMXy stuff.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 03 April, 2013, 09:06:06 pm
CTC pub night at the Nags Head, Gt Linford, tomorrow night TG. No curry!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 03 April, 2013, 09:11:52 pm
Lets hope it warms up a bit, there's still a good covering of snow on the Long Mynd. The real killer will be the headwind on the way back if this weather keeps up though.

Let's hope it warms up. Apparently whilst the Devil's Staircase is snow free, the next climb along the road to Tregaron isn't currently passable. To get to Tregaron requires a few (5)k extra via Soar y Mynydd http://goo.gl/maps/NdHwW (http://goo.gl/maps/NdHwW)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 03 April, 2013, 09:17:30 pm
A BMX...fair play to that  :o  TG what sort of fixed gearing might you recommend for the route?

Greatly encouraged by the praise you have all laid down for this one, and by the vague indications of possible we*ther uplift. Mustn't jinx it...
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: teethgrinder on 03 April, 2013, 09:52:32 pm
A BMX...fair play to that  :o  TG what sort of fixed gearing might you recommend for the route?

105" :demon:



65" is the lowest I've used and 75" is the highest.

The best I've done with the climbing is only walking 2 hills, but I usualy walk 3, sometimes 4.
On the first mountain road, you're doing well if you only walk 2 hills, very well if you only walk up the Staircase.
When you leave the Broad to go onto the second mountain road , then there's a long 1:6 which I usualy have to walk up.
Other than that, the rest of the hills aren't too bad, but it's still pretty hilly.

70 might sound high, but there are some pretty big descents, so 70 is my usual choice. I was extra strong when I rode it on 75".
Otherwise 65".
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2013, 10:55:48 pm
It is right at the bottom of the climb, right by the 25% sign. I thought my card was stamped there on the Elenith and indeed I've just looked out an old card and it is stamped at the Devil's Staircase checkpoint.

I don't know what John does with the control but in the past tea, coffee and small bits and pieces of food were available. Shouldn't be a problem to eat a little food. Most will walk the climb anyway and the one time I rode the whole climb I regretted it.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 04 April, 2013, 12:07:19 am
You are doing a bike ride, not a ldwa event (http://www.ldwa.org.uk/). MTFU and ride up the staircase ;). And the climb after Dolgoch. And the Pont-rhyd-y-groes climb. And.... And..... And....

Adamski, make yourself known on the day - we can MTFU together!  You might have to wait an hour or two bafore I reach the foot of the climb, though!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 04 April, 2013, 12:18:57 am
On 67" I think I walked on 3 climbs on the 1st mountain road and 1 on the way back. The 1:6 on the way back is ok until you turn off it, it just gets a bit too steep there. 1:6 is pretty much my limit on that gearing. I've ordered a 19T sprocket direct from Phil Wood so if the tandem can't be fixed in time I'll be on a 65" gear on a lighter bike than in 2011.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 04 April, 2013, 10:06:06 am
Cheers chaps I'll stick with my standard 67" then, don't want to go lower and spin out on the descents too much.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: teethgrinder on 04 April, 2013, 11:32:14 am
Cheers chaps I'll stick with my standard 67" then, don't want to go lower and spin out on the descents too much.


 ;D


I always remember after one Elenith, the discussion at the finish how fast we descended the mountain road to Rhyader. Most of were in the mid 40s mph.
I asked Graham Moult, who I knew liked to thrash down hills and he said he clocked 53mph.
"But I was being carefull, because of the sheep."
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Gaddi on 05 April, 2013, 08:20:47 pm
Due to injury, and weather- and injury-induced lack of mileage, I have to DNS Yr Elenydd  :-[.

I have a room booked in the Shrewsbury Battlefield Travelodge for Friday night. Assuming that you can transfer the booking I'd rather not see it go to waste, so if anybody would like to make use of it (free to you, as it's paid for) please PM me, and I'll send you the booking reference and name it's booked in.

Irm
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Greenbank on 05 April, 2013, 08:25:06 pm
Cheers chaps I'll stick with my standard 67" then, don't want to go lower and spin out on the descents too much.

67" is my Audax gear. I've done the BCM, Elenith, LEL and PBP on it. I also use it for my pan flat commute in London.

All of this is because I'm too lazy to bother changing it for different rides.

From memory I walked the 18% thing out of Pont-Rhyd-Y-Groes, the Devil's Staircase (walked it the year before anyway when I was on gears despite having a 26" gear) and one of the subsequent hills before Tregaron. Any lower and the descents would be too tortuous for me (I can only spin up to ~190rpm).
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 05 April, 2013, 10:45:55 pm
67" is what I’ve settled on too. I was riding around Cambridge on up to 75" but it is a bit much on terrain with significant gradients. I was happily riding around Somerset on it but commuting into Bristol wouldn’t have worked.

For the Elenith, if we can’t get the tandem working again in time, then I would not be riding that bike, and the chainring is 1 tooth larger which means 69" with an 18T sprocket. Given I found 71" a bit over-geared on the Bryan Chapman, I would find 69" a bit high on the Elenith, which is why I’ve ordered a 19T sprocket which I can put on the Yukon. That will give me an easier time on the climbs.

I have so far spun up to close to 200rpm twice, both on Welsh rides - on the Brevet Cymru I hit 199rpm on 67" (64kph) and on the Bryan Chapman 197rpm on 71" (67kph). We hit our fastest speed on the tandem to date at exactly the same place on the Brevet Cymru in 2012, it doesn’t look much that road but you suddenly pick up speed on a dip (on the main road west from Builth Wells heading for Beulah). I can’t maintain that for any length of time, and tend to limit myself to about 50kph on long descents on fixed. Given the current easterly winds, a high speed is likely to be hit on that road again by riders on the Elenith. So be ready for a sudden bit of fast spinning. :)

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 05 April, 2013, 11:48:25 pm
The Norwegians think the wind will be in the south by then - and very light - and sunny......
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 06 April, 2013, 11:51:05 am
Is anyone willing to take an extra sleepy bag and let me use it in the hall (both nights)?  I would rather not have to load up with panniers.  I am aiming to arrive by about 3am and promise to tip-toe in ever so quietly at which point I will fall asleep and wake you all up with my teeth-grinding.  I was planning on a full value ride and having a bit of a lie in on Sunday.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jaybea_auk on 06 April, 2013, 01:56:27 pm
My cycling year is not going to plan. I was intending to do my 9th SR series, after a 12 year gap, to celebrate reaching 50 (ok, to prove I can still do it!) However, the wheels (almost literally) came off my schedule of rides following a mechanical failure on the Mam Tor 200 a few weeks ago and then ill health and poor road conditions preventing me from riding my backup hilly event, the Monyash Peak, earlier this week.

So now I have Yr Elenydd coming up. I am building a new front wheel in preparation, but the fact is that my last long ride was the Newport 200 in Feb. I know from many rides of the original Elenith that it is a challenging ride at the best of times, so is thinking of riding this year complete madness, particularly given the additional undulations of Yr Elenydd?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 06 April, 2013, 02:34:00 pm
Only you really know that - but I wouldn't have thought so; you're just a kid and one with a lot of long-distance know-how.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 06 April, 2013, 03:22:19 pm
Is anyone willing to take an extra sleepy bag and let me use it in the hall (both nights)?  I would rather not have to load up with panniers.  I am aiming to arrive by about 3am and promise to tip-toe in ever so quietly at which point I will fall asleep and wake you all up with my teeth-grinding.  I was planning on a full value ride and having a bit of a lie in on Sunday.

Might be appreciated if you were to pack your tent as well and avail yourself of the field

If I had a spare sleeping bag I would lend you it, but have got to go and buy one for myself as it is.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 07 April, 2013, 08:48:38 pm
Just back home from completing our route checking weekend, with the company of Simon & Jackie making a tandem foursome. There's no changes to the route sheet and all the mountain roads are (just about) passable.

The amount of snow on the Shropshire hills has gone down quite significantly this last week. As we entered Wales there was more in evidence - the climb up Warden Road from Presteigne was a ribbon of tarmac across a blanket of white.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-avvyOEv383w/UWHIfk8oceI/AAAAAAAAGWc/kymuOS5Upss/s400/P1000691.JPG)

After the Fforest Inn the snow cover disappeared quickly, and there was hardly any in evidence on the mountain road from Abergwesyn, just a smattering on the tops.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HidODzLu5VI/UWHIh1hJG0I/AAAAAAAAGWk/_9phlfnaMOg/s400/P1000696.JPG)

Both tandems made it up the Devil's Staircase (so all those prevaricating over it - MTFU) although the presence of that couple handing out cake from their car boot was missed.

On the next climb of the Gamallt things started to get a bit more interesting, with short stretches where snow had drifted across the road.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PfPuM73Tlf8/UWHIj_lFYoI/AAAAAAAAGWs/MyfbQ1Tq1qA/s400/P1000707.JPG)

A bit further on we came to a proper drift which necessitated walking for about 20m. This was the only time we came across anything unrideable.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BWzsTvzv9nQ/UWHIl0SOFhI/AAAAAAAAGW0/2qwydYsDmyI/s400/P1000710.JPG)

Back on the Elan Valley road and there was a lot more snow around, piled up to 1m high either side of the road by the snowploughs. The road itself was fine though.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PlH0Do_y0PU/UWHIoKls-eI/AAAAAAAAGXA/HyGCf1URc68/s400/P1000714.JPG)

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Frank9755 on 07 April, 2013, 09:26:18 pm
That looks stunning - a beautiful day.  Hope we get similar next week!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Wowbagger on 07 April, 2013, 09:47:23 pm
I cycled along the road to the Devil's Staircase last year with full camping kit. There was a Welsh audax going on that day, and plenty of Bikes with Beards & Barleys past me in the vicinity of Builth Wells.

Going up...

(http://peter.chesspod.com/gallery/d/15972-2/DSC08465.JPG)

and down again.

(http://peter.chesspod.com/gallery/d/15978-2/DSC08467.JPG)

I went down the Devil's Staircase and I didn't dismount. I think perhaps I was a bit foolhardy. I did of course walk up the hill photographed.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 08 April, 2013, 12:47:03 pm
Both tandems made it up the Devil's Staircase (so all those prevaricating over it - MTFU) although the presence of that couple handing out cake from their car boot was missed.

Maybe if Feline takes a puff of her Ventolin inhaler at the checkpoint we'll have a chance. Wonder if she'll let me borrow it as well?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: anotherdeadhero on 08 April, 2013, 01:09:29 pm
Well, after an hour on the phone it does not actually appear to be possible to book bike reservations on any remotely useful services, and my experience of those services is that they're usually rammed. I'm not willing to risk it for £70.

The easiest thing (in one way) if to just factor-in a round trip from Bristol I guess  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Lardy on 08 April, 2013, 03:26:45 pm
I've just entered this (hopefully, it was late saturday). I'll be travelling from by car from Amesbury on Friday evening, not that early unfortunately, but I should know later in the week (all depends on Mrs Lardy and when I can be released from looking after the Little Lardies).  So there's the vague possibility of a lift (two free bike carrier spaces) as long as it fits in with my travel plans. I'll post more when I know more.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: bikey-mikey on 08 April, 2013, 06:57:28 pm
This is what I said about last year's ride....

I'm about 80km into my homeward 200 DIY, and the legs still work...

I never had enough clothing so froze for the first leg, and I also had two completely wet feet. Reaching the airfield I decided to strip down to bare feet, and I stayed there for one hour and three seconds.. About the last to leave!!!

I ripped through the next leg, meeting (in passing) quite a few that I hardly ever see, which was good. Apologies for sprinting up a steep bit past a couple of riders, going too fast to say more than "hi"...

For a while in the middle I was not too cold and took off my boil in a bag to climb the staircase - bit of an anti climax to tell the truth - but made my heart rate soar...

Wheelwrights a success - I was down a bit and someone passing said "apple crumble and custard at the next control". I flew...

Finished quite early and chatted for hours.

Next year I will be sweltering with too much clothing!!!

But I'll be back

I am entered and shall be there !!

I did also apologise, somewhat, later in the thread, for the anti-climax comment....  which was not meant as a criticism of anybody...   ;)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: GrahamG on 09 April, 2013, 09:48:36 am
Well, after an hour on the phone it does not actually appear to be possible to book bike reservations on any remotely useful services, and my experience of those services is that they're usually rammed. I'm not willing to risk it for £70.

The easiest thing (in one way) if to just factor-in a round trip from Bristol I guess  :facepalm:

You've got PM - I reckon I can fit another body + bike in the car.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: anotherdeadhero on 09 April, 2013, 10:57:52 am
Cheer Graham - you have a PM back  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Feline on 09 April, 2013, 07:47:36 pm
We still don't have a back wheel for Saturday  :-\
I also don't really have the legs and certainly don't have the lungs at the moment. Bugger.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: vorsprung on 09 April, 2013, 08:03:10 pm
...
and down again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7v0WboSskQ
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: iddu on 10 April, 2013, 04:45:05 pm
...
and down again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7v0WboSskQ
That's a lot more...umm...interesting when you find your brakes aren't working as they should be :facepalm:
I was really, really glad that nothing was coming up and thus could hang arse out the side of the Trice.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Lardy on 10 April, 2013, 08:42:37 pm
I've got 23 signed in for the snoreathon in the hall - getting cosy now so if anyone else wants in let me know asap.

Undulates,
Is it too late to join the 'snoreathon'? (assuming I've actually got an entry for this one - I entered late sunday)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 10 April, 2013, 09:26:00 pm
Oops. 4 late entries over the weekend got missed off my mailing list. You should now have an email from me confirming your entry.

All the hall space is now taken up unfortunately (it's only a small hall - could do with a bigger one if sleepovers are going to be this popular), but there is loads of camping space.

John.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Lardy on 10 April, 2013, 09:31:48 pm
Thanks, Undulates. I shall probably arrive  by 11pm and so will try hard not to wake any happy campers as I pitch my tent. Is obvious where to park and pitch?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Martin on 10 April, 2013, 10:58:08 pm
Thanks, Undulates. I shall probably arrive  by 11pm and so will try hard not to wake any happy campers as I pitch my tent. Is obvious where to park and pitch?

bend in the road opposite the church; I expect these two reprobates will also be there (don't be daft that photo was not on this event it's far too sunny!)

(http://www.fotothing.com/photos/884/884e33d07e09edf36e0e7fae4da482bc.jpg?ts=1349026263)


Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 11 April, 2013, 07:31:54 am
Very obvious. 'Tis only a small village, and once you've found the hall just park and pitch up in the big field immediately next to it (it'll be the one with cars and tents in it). There'll probably be others still arriving about that time.

Forecast is looking a bit damp for Saturday :(
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: GrahamG on 11 April, 2013, 09:38:59 am
Just seen the weather forecast - it's going to be an AFD in waterproofs ride!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Reg.T on 11 April, 2013, 10:07:35 am
Just seen the weather forecast - it's going to be an AFD in waterproofs ride!
yr.no is currently less pessimistic, so there's still some hope isn't there? .......  please?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Lardy on 11 April, 2013, 10:23:15 am
Thanks - I should now find it. I'm driving from Amesbury, departing 7pm (possibly earlier), so this is a firm offer of a lift if it might help anyone. 'Not sure if I'll need to camp over on saturday night (or indeed, if that's allowed) as I haven't a clue what to expect on this ride (I've only ever done one 300, and I started that with dysentery so I've no real measure of how long it will take me).

...it's going to be an AFD in waterproofs ride!
Forgive my naivety, but I'm guessing AFD means "all day" ??? Thankfully I've asked Amazon to deliver me a waterproof today (I don't have one). :-[

Is anyone willing to take an extra sleepy bag and let me use it in the hall (both nights)?
I've packed a spare sleeping bag but see above ref saturday night.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: vorsprung on 11 April, 2013, 10:33:33 am
Despite the poor weather outlook I'd love to be there too.  It's a crackin ride whatever the weather
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 11 April, 2013, 10:46:06 am
Thanks - I should now find it. I'm driving from Amesbury, departing 7pm (possibly earlier), so this is a firm offer of a lift if it might help anyone. 'Not sure if I'll need to camp over on saturday night (or indeed, if that's allowed) as I haven't a clue what to expect on this ride (I've only ever done one 300, and I started that with dysentery so I've no real measure of how long it will take me).

...it's going to be an AFD in waterproofs ride!
Forgive my naivety, but I'm guessing AFD means "all day" ??? Thankfully I've asked Amazon to deliver me a waterproof today (I don't have one). :-[

Is anyone willing to take an extra sleepy bag and let me use it in the hall (both nights)?
I've packed a spare sleeping bag but see above ref saturday night.

Any help welcome - am still planning to ride down on Friday as an ece by gps, but can't see me making it much before 1am, as I can't set off before 9am if I am going to do ride + event as a 600.  It largely depends on the wind (originally supposed to be from the North on Friday, but now less so) and how my back is - somehow I pulled a muscle raking up leaves the other day.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 11 April, 2013, 01:12:04 pm
Thanks - I should now find it. I'm driving from Amesbury, departing 7pm (possibly earlier), so this is a firm offer of a lift if it might help anyone. 'Not sure if I'll need to camp over on saturday night (or indeed, if that's allowed) as I haven't a clue what to expect on this ride (I've only ever done one 300, and I started that with dysentery so I've no real measure of how long it will take me).

...it's going to be an AFD in waterproofs ride!
Forgive my naivety, but I'm guessing AFD means "all day" ??? Thankfully I've asked Amazon to deliver me a waterproof today (I don't have one). :-[

Is anyone willing to take an extra sleepy bag and let me use it in the hall (both nights)?
I've packed a spare sleeping bag but see above ref saturday night.

Camping's fine post ride too. We've got the hall until Sunday morning so just leave your tent up ready to fall into at the finish. Likely to be some room inside too - some are in the hall both nights but others just for Friday before heading for the delights of a shower at home / hotel. Basic breakfast on Sunday if staying (depending on how much food is leftover from Sat).

From last year only a handful finished before 10pm, and probably 40% after midnight so don't expect a quick ride, especially if the weathers poor.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 11 April, 2013, 01:32:43 pm
I notice it’s a free control in Builth Wells. Did anyone use the same cafe as used on The Elenith? I guess they won’t be expecting us so won’t be geared up for numbers. What alternatives would people recommend if that’s looking too busy? I think they have an outside tap, which is very handy.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Maverick on 11 April, 2013, 01:51:20 pm
Last year I stuffed myself at Shibdon, and knowing there would be cake at the Devel's Staircase, just used the garage shop on the left as you come into the town, as did akin OTP.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: PeeJay on 11 April, 2013, 02:19:08 pm
Most used the petrol station shops on the way into Builth.  There's a shop and petrol station on each side of the road.  Warning tho that the shop on the right hand side of the road is a coop and doesn't state 'Builth Wells' on till receipts. 
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 11 April, 2013, 02:22:36 pm
In 2008, I stopped at Shobdon, but it wasn’t the fastest control I’ve ever used. 2010 and 2011 I bounced that and pushed on after eating some food I carried with me. But it might have contributed to my running out of energy after the Devil’s Staircase section in 2010. I got round about 2h faster, though. I do like that cafe in Builth Wells.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Chris S on 11 April, 2013, 02:27:41 pm
Dunno whether the route of Yr Elenydd goes the same way, but we used the Little Chef on the roundabout outside Builth, on last year's Cambrian 600.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Reg.T on 11 April, 2013, 02:36:11 pm
Now looking like we might have a mostly dry morning with a light southerly wind. Some rain looking likely for the afternoon/evening, but the silver lining should be an accompanying strengthening of the wind so the final sections should have a good tailwind.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 11 April, 2013, 02:37:20 pm
I think the L Chef in Builth has a Burger King attached to it - I seem to remember eating there last year when we were cold and wet with an Italian chap who lives in Brighton (Danielli?) - staff and food were very quick/good and we really needed to sit down and warm up.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 11 April, 2013, 02:44:32 pm
Now looking like we might have a mostly dry morning with a light southerly wind. Some rain looking likely for the afternoon/evening, but the silver lining should be an accompanying strengthening of the wind so the final sections should have a good tailwind.

I'll go with this, thankyou Reg for bolstering my already witless optimism  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 11 April, 2013, 03:10:15 pm
Dunno whether the route of Yr Elenydd goes the same way, but we used the Little Chef on the roundabout outside Builth, on last year's Cambrian 600.

Yes, that’s on the route - useful to be aware, thanks.

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: vorsprung on 11 April, 2013, 03:16:21 pm
I notice it’s a free control in Builth Wells. Did anyone use the same cafe as used on The Elenith? I guess they won’t be expecting us so won’t be geared up for numbers. What alternatives would people recommend if that’s looking too busy? I think they have an outside tap, which is very handy.

If I stop for coffee / food in Builth then I always use the Drovers Tearooms.  But in the past on the Elenith I didn't stop in Builth except briefly to control, I kept going until the garage at Beluah and got a sandwich there
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: veloboy on 11 April, 2013, 03:24:36 pm
I'm pretty sure we stopped at 'The Fountain Inn' last year (on the right, immediately after turning right on the high street from the bridge). They had a big log fire going, and cooked us a full English  :D
I normally would just ride through and not spend much time in Builth, but it was so cold last year and we were riding in sleet with snow visible on the hills!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 11 April, 2013, 03:30:44 pm
Dunno whether the route of Yr Elenydd goes the same way, but we used the Little Chef on the roundabout outside Builth, on last year's Cambrian 600.

Yep - good place to control.  As Revelinho notes there is a BK for anyone needing a burger.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jaybea_auk on 11 April, 2013, 03:51:08 pm
Yep - good place to control.  As Revelinho notes there is a BK for anyone needing a burger.

You need all the horse power you can get on the way to Tregaron.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 11 April, 2013, 04:00:45 pm
 ;D

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Chris S on 11 April, 2013, 04:37:25 pm
Dunno whether the route of Yr Elenydd goes the same way, but we used the Little Chef on the roundabout outside Builth, on last year's Cambrian 600.

Yep - good place to control.  As Revelinho notes there is a BK for anyone needing a burger.

I believe we stopped there because someone wanted "something with gravy".  :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Von Broad on 11 April, 2013, 05:29:43 pm
Builth Wells: As regards food, don't forget the Bakers on the right when you get into the High Street. I've always loaded up there before getting to the control. Not sure they do receipts though :-)

What a great ride this is. I'm yet to do the new version. Maybe next year. Safe riding to all.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 11 April, 2013, 05:54:33 pm
I'm arriving by train.  Has anyone got directions from Shrewsbury station to Upton Magna (by bike!)?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 11 April, 2013, 06:53:23 pm
Builth Wells - there's quite a few options. In order as you go through the town...
- Little Chef, LHS shortly after the RAB @ 110.8k
- Heart of Wales Garage, LHS imm after the Little Chef
- Co-op & garage, RHS imm opp the garage above
- Cafe Fontana, LHS imm after the RH bend into the main (one way) street
- Fountain Inn, RHS almost opposite
- Drovers Tearooms, LHS a bit further along
- Cosy Corner Tearooms (the old Elenith control, unfortunately they didn't want to carry on hence why it's now free choice), RHS at the far end of main street.
All the above were used last year. Also banks on the main street for ATM receipts if you don't want food, and other shops along the main street.

I'm arriving by train.  Has anyone got directions from Shrewsbury station to Upton Magna (by bike!)?
Directions from Shrewsbury station...http://goo.gl/maps/03OjU (http://goo.gl/maps/03OjU) Distance is 8.5km

- From railway station, exit car park SO @ TL
- Imm bear R (sp Telford A5) into one way system
- Bear R again (sp Telford A5) still one way system underneath rlwy viaduct
- L @ TL (sp Telford A5)
(As an alternative to all the above you can simply turn R out of the station walking on the pavement against the traffic underneath the rlwy viaduct)
- Go SO @ mini-RABs & TL until...
- (1.8k) 2nd exit @ RAB (sp Sundorne) B5062
- SO @ 2x mini-RABs
- (1.9k) 2nd exit @ RAB (sp Newport) B5062
- (0.4k) R (sp UFFINGTON)
- (1.2k) L @ end of UFFINGTON village (sp UPTON MAGNA)
(2.9k) The hall is on the LHS as you enter the village opp the church

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 11 April, 2013, 07:45:41 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Tail End Charlie on 11 April, 2013, 09:12:25 pm
Right, I'm all set for this. Will be camping, not sure when I'll arrive (I'm off all day so could turn up anytime).
I'm presume the pub in Upton Magna does food ? 
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 11 April, 2013, 09:28:11 pm
It does (or did the last I'm aware - it's changed hands a couple of times in the last couple of years since closing in 2010 just before the Mille Cymru). So can't comment on the standard as haven't tried it recently.

Nearest alternative is the Mytton & Mermaid in Atcham (4k, follow the route sheet).
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Feline on 11 April, 2013, 10:41:05 pm
I'm going into this already sleep deprived from night shifts. I hope I get some sleep friday night or its not going to go well!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Chris S on 11 April, 2013, 10:44:48 pm
I'm going into this already sleep deprived from night shifts. I hope I get some sleep friday night or its not going to go well!

All the more reason to take the tandem - you can have a nap at the back when Simon's not looking :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 12 April, 2013, 01:03:31 am
I'm going into this already sleep deprived from night shifts. I hope I get some sleep friday night or its not going to go well!

All the more reason to take the tandem - you can have a nap at the back when Simon's not looking :)

We nearly didn't have a tandem to ride. Sent our rear hub away to a wheel builder who just sat on it for two weeks. So in the end have had to obtain a new wheel which I've put the disc and cassette onto this evening. Tandem should be all set but not road tested yet. I've put 28mm tyres on to see how that goes. I had hoped to work from home tomorrow but as I was working from home today to be in when the wheel arrived, I can't tomorrow. So I've put the roof rack on the car but Feline will have to load the tandem and collect me from work on the way. Hope I've packed everything I'm going to need!

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jaybea_auk on 12 April, 2013, 07:03:37 am
The cold that has floored me for the last three weeks is back for another go, so I won't be riding this year. Will have to find a perm to ride once I have recovered. I hope everyone has a great ride and if I can get fit again in time I might see some of you on the Llanfair 400.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 12 April, 2013, 08:43:39 am
chocks away!  rudder hard to starboard!

... I will be as quiet as I can when I (hopefully) arrive in 15/16 hrs time :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 12 April, 2013, 08:53:02 am
Is there a lantern rouge competition this year?  In previous years, people used to boast about cutting it fine at this event. 

Looking at the weather forecast, it looks like a dry or marginally damp morning.  Heavy rain mid to late afternoon accompanied by strong winds.  It will be quite a rough crossing across the Mountain Road back to Rhayader but we should benefit from good tail wind on the final stage to Upton Magna.

Bring your waterproofs!

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Maverick on 12 April, 2013, 09:40:34 am
Is there a lantern rouge competition this year?  In previous years, people used to boast about cutting it fine at this event. 

I'll have £10 on Salvatore on last year's form.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 12 April, 2013, 10:37:15 am
WARNING: UNASHAMED ADVERTISING WITH APOLOGIES TO U.N.DULATES

The Kidderminster Killer was born by the same parent as The Elenith.  When the illustrious Dave Pountney retired from many years as an organiser, John and I inherited The Elenith and Kidder Killer respectively.

So, if you fancy something gruelling  in mid August which is also in the spirit of Yr Elenydd, you are more than welcome to enter the KK.  Details at: http://www.beaconrcc.org.uk/audax/killerclee/index.html

Lights will be necessary  :demon:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Salvatore on 12 April, 2013, 11:26:04 am
Is there a lantern rouge competition this year?  In previous years, people used to boast about cutting it fine at this event. 

I'll have £10 on Salvatore on last year's form.
I'm riding a Tonka bike this year.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jcbike on 12 April, 2013, 02:09:40 pm
I too will be camping and looking for some pub grub, suppose we could nip into Shrewsbury if not much in Upton Magna :-\
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Blade on 12 April, 2013, 02:13:56 pm
I've JUST arrived home after a weeks boating holiday. A week of over-eating and over-drinking with no excercise whatsoever.

Am looking forward to tomorrows event with some trepidation.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: iddu on 12 April, 2013, 05:15:40 pm
I'm going into this already sleep deprived from night shifts. I hope I get some sleep friday night or its not going to go well!
Party hardy all night; catnap to Shoden - you'll be reet ;)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Gaddi on 12 April, 2013, 09:47:33 pm
WARNING: UNASHAMED ADVERTISING WITH APOLOGIES TO U.N.DULATES

The Kidderminster Killer was born by the same parent as The Elenith.  When the illustrious Dave Pountney retired from many years as an organiser, John and I inherited The Elenith and Kidder Killer respectively.

So, if you fancy something gruelling  in mid August which is also in the spirit of Yr Elenydd, you are more than welcome to enter the KK.  Details at: http://www.beaconrcc.org.uk/audax/killerclee/index.html

Lights will be necessary  :demon:

Loved the KK last year, so will definitely try and be there again in August, job permitting.
Irm
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 13 April, 2013, 04:26:23 pm
94 started on a bright, sunny and windless morning. That state of affairs didn't last though. Rain started at the Devil's Staircase just as the checkpoint opened @ 11:30. Dry again in Tregaron, raining on and off all the way back but generally drizzly rather than persistent. Just off to open up the finish.

Field currently down to 89.

Is there a lantern rouge competition this year?  In previous years, people used to boast about cutting it fine at this event. 

I'll have £10 on Salvatore on last year's form.
I'm riding a Tonka bike this year.
You'll have to find someone else to put your money on. Salvatore DNF :o
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 13 April, 2013, 07:49:26 pm
Both Salvatore and I bailed albeit at two different locations and probably for the same reason.  Nowt left in our legs, resorting to the cripples express.

One major compensation of bailing allowed us to witness two Black Fives pulling 12 carriage train storming past the railway station at full pelt.  An amazing sight. 

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 14 April, 2013, 02:02:51 am
19h45. Hardest I've found a 300k. We walked the Devil's Staircase but nothing else. It's less tandem friendly than the old route which adds to the fun.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: tonyh on 14 April, 2013, 07:04:20 am
nothing else

Powerful team! Congrats.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 14 April, 2013, 08:00:35 am
19h45. Hardest I've found a 300k. We walked the Devil's Staircase but nothing else. It's less tandem friendly than the old route which adds to the fun.

Good work! New route is less friendly for all forms of bikes! Definitely harder and slower than the old route.

Well done to all finishers.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: bikey-mikey on 14 April, 2013, 08:18:12 am
I had a good day, finishing in 15 hours 40 mins, so approx 1 hour faster than last year, and well before 10pm. There was a noticeably friendly & helpful atmosphere, with riders happy to let me join their groups and chat / charge / coast / and even drag them along. (Could not find another word beginning with 'C')

I had to walk up the centre section muddy lane somewhere early on, cos I just could not get any grip, with spinning rear wheel and near disaster for my white gilet, not to mention the danger of breaking myself, and my cleats were also completely clogged. Also had a five minute break after this removing about a ton of mud from the inside of my mudguards - perhaps our excellent org knows of an alternative section for muddy days?

Errr the anticlimactic Devil's Staircase? Well it lived up to its reputation - the anticlimax one anyway.... But as I approached the Abergwesyn area it was like something out of a horror movie!! I was riding in weak sunshine with little wind, but the sky above the ridge in the distance was awfully black, so much so that I stopped and put on a shower jacket... I had also wondered if the howling wind and rain that met me at the bottom would add interest. Sadly not, though the folks at the control tent were brilliant !! Lets rename it as the 'really steep hairpinny hill that begins a series of leg taxing climbs on the road to Tregaron' (or perhaps not..)  My ascent of 1.14 km took 09:51:55 averaging 6.9 kph.

The Élan valley is truly beautiful, except when it has a soul destroying headwind, of course... For some reason I struggle more with headwinds than others. Possibly my aerodynamic profile is not that different to anyone else's? Certainly my 60kgs is normally an advantage in the power to weight stakes, but not of use against that wind. Only consolation was to spend more time in the valley!!

I bounced all the controls except for having a latte with RegT, my trusty chauffeur, in Rhayader... (Thanks again, Reg :) )  I just don't need to stop these days, getting enough energy yesterday from five Fruesli bars and a chocolate milk in Builth Wells.

Final observation. The hall was impeccably organised, as always. Good food and smiles. Extra custard and extra pudding (oh I definitely eat loads afterwards!!). the beds were comfy, and not too much noise either. Well done Undulates and his team !!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 14 April, 2013, 08:33:39 am
I had a good day, finishing in 15 hours 40 mins, so approx 1 hour faster than last year, and well before 10pm. There was a noticeably friendly & helpful atmosphere, with riders happy to let me join their groups and chat / charge / coast / and even drag them along. (Could not find another word beginning with 'C')

'Carry' them along?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: bikey-mikey on 14 April, 2013, 08:57:43 am
I had a good day, finishing in 15 hours 40 mins, so approx 1 hour faster than last year, and well before 10pm. There was a noticeably friendly & helpful atmosphere, with riders happy to let me join their groups and chat / charge / coast / and even drag them along. (Could not find another word beginning with 'C')

'Carry' them along?

That's it - Carry on Cycling :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 14 April, 2013, 09:21:52 am
Thx for the company guys and major thx to John and team.  Classic and an ece 600 to boot.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 14 April, 2013, 09:28:40 am
Thx for the company guys and major thx to John and team.  Classic and an ece 600 to boot.

 :o

Quite a ride to ECE! Well done!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Blade on 14 April, 2013, 01:34:04 pm
Another thoroughly enjoyable ride of this event.

Managed to finish with 13 minutes to spare, so no pressure when riding the last stage.

The organisation was well up to the 'Pountney Gold Standard'. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: tubbycyclist on 14 April, 2013, 02:06:12 pm
Finished in the penultimate group - with around 40 minutes to spare,  although  I suspect that small margin was helped by the blessing of a strong tailwind on the return.



Thanks to John and the team for organising - it is a fantastic ride/walk.
It is easy to lose time on the hills,  but the controls are such an eclectic and excellent mix that it is quite easy to spend too much time sitting around here as well.



Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jamesld8 on 14 April, 2013, 03:01:34 pm
Very pleased to get around and in at 22:45 despite my initial forgivings about my ability to complete, having doemn no more than 100k ridess this year  (aside note marcusjb thanks for encouraging words on another but not YACF site !!). Really enjoyed my return to Audax after 20 years break...only 2nd 300 in my life, other being Snow Roads.
Kept to plan of keeping steady and less time spent at controls; Elan Valley though was horrid, one of the most difficult crossings from Cwmystyth to Rhayader I`ve done in many years, normally a nice tail wind wafts you through.

Pretty tired at end 20km so just rolled along without trying to push on too much, and very glad of good set disc brakes on the top of descent off Thresholds ----and technology of a GPS to see when next corner was coming up.
Good friendly and helpful atmosphere to whole event, and good food stops too.

For those not liking muddy road at The Warden maybe an alternative route could be Slough Hill> Evenjobb> Kinnerton> New Radnor ??

 
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: GrahamG on 14 April, 2013, 03:17:32 pm
I enjoyed it in spite of challenging conditions. Must definitely add to the previous comments re. organisation - was absolutely superb.  Was good to enjoy all the cafe controls and still make it back just before the night drew in to enjoy the views from on the Long Mynd.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 14 April, 2013, 03:18:45 pm
Very pleased to get around and in at 22:45 despite my initial forgivings about my ability to complete, having doemn no more than 100k ridess this year  (aside note marcusjb thanks for encouraging words on another but not YACF site !!). Really enjoyed my return to Audax after 20 years break...only 2nd 300 in my life, other being Snow Roads.
Kept to plan of keeping steady and less time spent at controls; Elan Valley though was horrid, one of the most difficult crossings from Cwmystyth to Rhayader I`ve done in many years, normally a nice tail wind wafts you through.

Pretty tired at end 20km so just rolled along without trying to push on too much, and very glad of good set disc brakes on the top of descent off Thresholds ----and technology of a GPS to see when next corner was coming up.
Good friendly and helpful atmosphere to whole event, and good food stops too.

For those not liking muddy road at The Warden maybe an alternative route could be Slough Hill> Evenjobb> Kinnerton> New Radnor ??

Glad you made it, and in a very respectable time! Told you that you'd be fine.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: red marley on 14 April, 2013, 03:37:49 pm
Excellent stuff. Not sure I'd be capable of such a ride these days.

Did anyone see the Tregaron mountain toad?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 14 April, 2013, 04:03:33 pm
Absolutely - about 500 of them.  It helped keep me alert, watching that I didn't run over them.  I never realised that there were so many amphibians in Wales!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Martin on 14 April, 2013, 04:05:07 pm
I rode with Ann the only ever solo lady to complete the new route; started nice and almost effortless to Shobden; but the clouds were brooding and sure enough the rain arrived on cue at the top of the Staircase (almost an exact repeat of 2005 weatherwise) which nearly did for me but managed to stay clipped in (just!) and continued via a very soggy summit to Rhayader; it got a bit better after that; top marks to Wheelwrights the lady running the show was in her element and it was very efficient; excellent portions with lashings of bread  :thumbsup: but of course the real Thank You goes to UN and Mrs Dulates and their willing band of helpers  :) :) :thumbsup: fantastic organisation well beyond the call

finished 1.10 up on last year's time; must be doing something right

rode on and off with jcbike Pip man on Cinelli with buggered BB and Julian D

thank F not doing another ride like that in 2 weeks like last year (3D)

bad luck to Hackney Innit's Chris who toppled on the rollercoaster down to Tregaron  :(
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 April, 2013, 04:18:40 pm
I finished with tubbycyclist and three others at 19hrs 20mins (although GPS reckons 19hrs 12mins).

Quite possibly the hardest thing I've ever done, ever (but that's not difficult in a first season). Inappropriate gearing and inappropriate fitness didn't help!

I thoroughly enjoyed the views – I grew up in Wales, so felt like coming home :)  And the controls were rather good and seemed to get better as we got further, I think.

I made the mistake on the first section of trying to keep up with the sports riders – I seem to make a habit of this.  I bumped Shobden because of the queue to try to give myself time in hand at Builth for a full English – which I got, but then left at control-closing time. The climb up to the Staircase saw me bonk out – not good so early in the ride!!  The cake at the bottom was so very welcome, though!  :thumbsup:

I made a feeble attempt at the first ramp and got halfway before my legs gave out.  I rode half the second ramp as well.  And walked the rest with SimonP and Feline.  One of the riders had a cunning plan and I bumped into him as he exited the Forestry trails at the top of the Staircase having gone up through the forest at half the incline of the staircase  :thumbsup:  The rest of the climbs over to Tregaron were easy ... no, wait, that's a dream I had: they were bloody hard and I am ashamed to say that I walked nearly all of them  :facepalm:

When I got to Tregaron with little time in hand I thought I would DNF as I would get slower towards the end. But thanks to SimonP's words of experience in that the worst was over (although everything's relative) I got back on the bike with a renewed sense of determination, again leaving at control-close. 

On the next section, thanks to tubbycyclist for not encouraging me to ride the 1-in-6 up to Hafod (that would've killed me), so we walked it together.  The headwind through the Ystwyth and Elan valleys was unpleasant, but at least this should be on our backs for most of the way home after Rhayader (although it didn't work out quite like that in the end).  And to Blade for his words of encouragement all the way up the Elan valley.  We made the control at Rhayader with a bunch of time in hand – enough to consider stopping.

On leaving the control, I must've been lanterne rouge, because I left two minutes after closing and there were no other riders in the vicinity, yikes  :o  I had been told the tradition of Salvatore being last-man, and that if you're behind Salvatore then you're going to be out of time by the end, so I asked everyone I passed "are you Salvatore?" to which the response was "no, are you?"!! I don't believe he really exists, he's just a rumour to scare riders into speeding up ;D  I caught and passed quite a few other riders on the run out of Knighton, which was a complete surprise because I was absolutely caned at this point and every hill was a kick in the teeth (arse, actually) so I have no idea how that happened.  I rode in to Wheelwrights with a couple of others, but it was dark and raining so conversation was limited to "next left" rather than trading niceties – I will probably remember who when I have had enough sleep.

No longer lanterne rouge and with a bit of time in hand, I decided to eat while I could and was impressed with the organised methodology that meant I was served almost before I'd sat down!  Nice work and rather tasty too!  I left WW with others still eating with over half an hour in hand and span onto the back of the group who left before me (tubbycyclist et al, Revellinho also perhaps?  I recall mention of toads and ECE). And then we climbed to Shrewsbury (we all thought Shrewsbury was down from there, but apparently gravity doesn't work the same way in the Welsh Borders).  Every climb was another uurrggh, clank down through the gears, spin for as long as legs would allow, then stand up and grind for as long as legs would allow, rinse and repeat.  The final five miles seemed to drag, and I almost brought another cyclist down with a wobble as I was fighting to stay awake – sorry! – but I dropped to low-cadence, low-heart rate just to bring me home, as we had time to walk back if we'd had a mechanical at this point.

Back at the hall, it was time for some very welcome, tasty food, some of everything (different plates, although that would've been negotiable) to the accompaniment of gentle snoring in the background.  We were a bit worried that some of the other riders might've left it a bit late leaving WW, but they all rolled in within the limit AFAIK.

And that, as they say, was that:  my first Elenydd, my second 300, my first proper-hilly anything.  I think I might stick to a few flat-land rides to work out the pain, starting next weekend, avoiding any major hills.

Thanks to John and the team for a well-organised and (once the pain-memory recedes) enjoyable grand day out  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Lardy on 14 April, 2013, 05:55:05 pm
I found that hard! I'm impressed by those who seemingly breeze along, particularly the guy on fixed (OTP?). Most enjoyable bit for me was when I took it a bit easier and rode with a chap called Alan from somewhere between Builth Wells and the foot of the devil incarnate. Grateful to Roy and co. who swept me up on the way to Wheelrights and also to Edwin and co. who I tagged along with from there to the finish. A jolly well organised event - thank you, John and your team(s)

I hope that Chris(?) isn't too badly injured and quickly recovers from his fall - he looked as if he was in indescribable great pain at the Tregaron control.

'Glad I'd purchased my first cycling waterproof a couple of days ago.

A handful of picture of people I don't even know, just to remind me of the event, and to show Mrs Lardy. I had great intentions of taking pics at all the controls, but I was in tatters for most the ride and could barely muster the will to live, never mind take photos.

Shobdon control
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8387/8647973599_acb9a27297.jpg)

A couple OTP arriving Shobdon
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8545/8649077574_e9c5565c95.jpg)

A happy soul departing Shobdon
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8545/8649078162_0edb75b738.jpg)

At the foot of the Devil's Staircase
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8250/8647973071_ba8dd62345.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8393/8649076104_a72b5329c5.jpg)

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Revellinho on 14 April, 2013, 06:05:45 pm
Wilkyboy - 'twas indeed myself and also Peter OTP who were in that finishing group, good to do the last couple of hours in a little bunch for moral support I always think.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Tail End Charlie on 14 April, 2013, 06:39:55 pm
I packed at Builth Wells, I was only 40 minutes in hand there and knew I'd be grovelling after that.
Too fat, too unfit, simply not good enough.

The parts I did (to Builth and I re-joined at Pen Y Bont) were great and the controls and village hall were super. Just my sort of riding (love Welsh lanes). Well done to John and helpers for the organisation top notch.

Rode a little with JayP who is always good company and met Iddu at Shobdon. Saw a lady in a pink yacf top as I was leaving Shobdon and was going to introduce myself to Simon and Feline at a later control but it was not to be, I punctured a bit after that and they went past (so hello anyway to you both).

A further two punctures is karma for packing.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Gadget on 14 April, 2013, 06:54:01 pm
Thanks to everyone who helped me after my fall. I was in too much pain and embarrassment to get names. And a special thanks to the rider who guided me to the control, as I would not have made that.
A lovely welsh man drove me 20km to Aberystwyth and helped me get my ticket. After a 2 hour train ride and a taxi I was back at the beginning. Gutted I didn't finish. But like Arnie; I'll be back!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 14 April, 2013, 07:12:27 pm
As a first timer on this can I just say "wow"  :thumbsup:

Many thanks to John and all helpers. Please pass praise to the supernaturally cheerful bowls ladies of Tregaron and the lady of the manor at Wheelwrights, ushering weary riders to the right choice of meal with her kindly schoolteacher demeanour  :-*

Bikey Mikey you are a very marvel of science, a few muesli bars and a milkshake! Yes I am younger, heavier, let out more hot air, and was expending a certain amount of life force riding fixed, but I ate so much I couldn't even list it all.

Rode with various folk at different times including Dan who was running a marathon today, hat off there. The weather wasn't as bad as I thought, and I rather enjoyed the Elan Valley in the driving rain, it made it seem even more "epic" and gave a little impetus to press on.

Playing "dodge the frog" (toad?) helped keep the mind focused on the final leg. Thousands of the little fellows there were. I have been reassured that they let out a blood-curdling death cry, I didn't hear this so karma intact hopefully.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: red marley on 14 April, 2013, 07:40:59 pm
Playing "dodge the frog" (toad?) helped keep the mind focused on the final leg. Thousands of the little fellows there were. I have been reassured that they let out a blood-curdling death cry, I didn't hear this so karma intact hopefully.

For the avoidance of doubt, unless the little beasties were sheltering in a mature scarlet marker tower, these were probably common frogs rana dana. The Tregaron Mountain Toad is much rarer (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19720.msg680729#msg680729).
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 April, 2013, 07:51:57 pm
Wilkyboy - 'twas indeed myself and also Peter OTP who were in that finishing group, good to do the last couple of hours in a little bunch for moral support I always think.

I agree and it was good riding with you!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: teethgrinder on 14 April, 2013, 08:45:56 pm
Rode with various folk at different times including Dan who was running a marathon today, hat off there.

That'd be Dan Howard. He did that last year too. Was he on fixed again like he was last year?

I remember him when he was a 15 year old riding the Kidderminster Killer in 1994.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: mikek on 14 April, 2013, 08:59:19 pm
Thanks to everyone who helped me after my fall. I was in too much pain and embarrassment to get names. And a special thanks to the rider who guided me to the control, as I would not have made that.
A lovely welsh man drove me 20km to Aberystwyth and helped me get my ticket. After a 2 hour train ride and a taxi I was back at the beginning. Gutted I didn't finish. But like Arnie; I'll be back!

You looked in so much pain and discomfort that I wouldn't have been comfortable leaving you alone. I'd considered how best to give you a push up that last final gentle climb before the last descent into Tregaron, but thankfully you somehow managed yourself. I hope your injury does not keep you off the bike too long.

I was obviously in the mood for helping others yesterday. I restored a lamb to its mum that was stuck on the wrong side of the fence although after moving 11 frogs from the road to the hedgerows, I gave up on that cause, as I'd still be en route to Upton Magna this very minute.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 14 April, 2013, 10:24:33 pm
Rode with various folk at different times including Dan who was running a marathon today, hat off there.

That'd be Dan Howard. He did that last year too. Was he on fixed again like he was last year?

I remember him when he was a 15 year old riding the Kidderminster Killer in 1994.

Yes, he was saving his legs for the next day by riding only a mere 75".
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jcbike on 14 April, 2013, 10:37:54 pm
Just to reiterate all of the above, a good day out bouncing from group to solo and back, thanks to Martin and Ann for easing me through the last 40k, and of course mega thanks to the Undulates and their merry band :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: iddu on 14 April, 2013, 11:20:35 pm
One of the riders had a cunning plan and I bumped into him as he exited the Forestry trails at the top of the Staircase having gone up through the forest at half the incline of the staircase  :thumbsup:  The rest of the climbs over to Tregaron were easy ... no, wait, that's a dream I had: they were bloody hard and I am ashamed to say that I walked nearly all of them  :facepalm:

Indeed - there is a Larrington manoeuvre; take the trail forking right, and then just keep bearing left...nicely graded, and just a steady 7-8% drag all the way.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20130107-misc/2013-04-13135243_zps3a607a8e.jpg) (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/iddu/media/20130107-misc/2013-04-13135243_zps3a607a8e.jpg.html)
Wouldn't do it on a soot bike, but anything else should be fine.

There's no shame in 24" gear; I'm amazed at how well you did on that stead - serious respect :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: iddu on 14 April, 2013, 11:45:13 pm
Gosh, 2007 - no wonder I'd forgotten how much fun ;D this can be. Nice one, JH & team.

Thwap Thwap Thwap. Get's off. Finds nothing....
Thwap Thwap Thwap. Get's off. Finds nothing....
Thwap Thwap Thwap. Get's off. Finds nothing....
Continues the fun...(No, RZ, not that sort)

Cleans bike. Ah...
(click to show/hide)

At some points I was hitting 70Kp/h on that :facepalm:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: wilkyboy on 15 April, 2013, 07:14:13 am
Indeed - there is a Larrington manoeuvre; take the trail forking right, and then just keep bearing left...nicely graded, and just a steady 7-8% drag all the way.
...
There's no shame in 24" gear; I'm amazed at how well you did on that stead - serious respect :thumbsup:

Thanks :)  'tis 34" at the bottom end, and I reckon I could've made it up there had I joined you (I did wonder where you were headed: I thought you might've been foraging for lunch ;D), although time-wise we took about the same it seemed, even though I walked much most of it?
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: JayP on 15 April, 2013, 07:52:34 am
I was Lantern Rouge 8). Chris Wilby came up behind me, with his death-ray dynamo, as I was making my solitary plod through the weaving mists of Wentnor. I hadn't clocked him anywhere thro' the day and he hadn't been at any of the select FVFM gatherings at Rhayader or Little Brampton. Apparently he'd been having a kip somwhere. We decided to take the Thresholds option for easy navigation. We got in sight of the welcoming lights on Atcham Bridge and I asked Chris for a time check. He said 4:45! I sad try again and he said no 1:45. So 15 mins left. Just enough to pootle up the lane and get in with mins and secs left.
I packed at Builth Wells, I was only 40 minutes in hand there and knew I'd be grovelling after that.
Too fat, too unfit, simply not good enough.

The parts I did (to Builth and I re-joined at Pen Y Bont) were great and the controls and village hall were super. Just my sort of riding (love Welsh lanes). Well done to John and helpers for the organisation top notch.

Rode a little with JayP who is always good company and met Iddu at Shobdon. Saw a lady in a pink yacf top as I was leaving Shobdon and was going to introduce myself to Simon and Feline at a later control but it was not to be, I punctured a bit after that and they went past (so hello anyway to you both).

A further two punctures is karma for packing.

Sorry to hear that Tail End. I saw you riding into Builth. I was in the petrol station on the Left. You had two more punctures!?

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Philip Whiteman on 15 April, 2013, 09:22:40 am
Thanks to everyone who helped me after my fall. I was in too much pain and embarrassment to get names. And a special thanks to the rider who guided me to the control, as I would not have made that.
A lovely welsh man drove me 20km to Aberystwyth and helped me get my ticket. After a 2 hour train ride and a taxi I was back at the beginning. Gutted I didn't finish. But like Arnie; I'll be back!

Are you back on two legs again? You were wondering whether it might be a tad more than bruising at the HQ.

Some years ago on the old Elenith,  there was a spectacularly nasty accident on the same descent.  I believe the individual concerned was ambulanced off to the nearest hospital.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: iddu on 15 April, 2013, 10:17:53 am
Chris Wilby came up behind me, with his death-ray dynamo, as I was making my solitary plod through the weaving mists of Wentnor. I hadn't clocked him anywhere thro' the day and he hadn't been at any of the select FVFM gatherings at Rhayader or Little Brampton. Apparently he'd been having a kip somwhere.

Making like a sleeping beauty on a wall in Wentnor, just before "L after church"; won't do his lumbago any good :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: zigzag on 15 April, 2013, 10:37:59 am
iddu, that tyre failure looks unique, never seen it like that before
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hummers on 15 April, 2013, 10:40:29 am
It used to happen to the Armadillos.

H
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Pip on 15 April, 2013, 11:04:14 am
Thanks to John and his smashing team for making it happen. No longer an Elenith virgin, it was a privilege to be a part of it.
Also thanks to fellow North London inhabitant, Julian, for waiting patiently on those hills.
Here's a link to my blog:

http://bicyclemaintenancecompany.co.uk/yr-elenydd-300kms-april-2013/

The weather is nice today  ;D

 
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 15 April, 2013, 11:16:18 am
Pip, that is a great read, thanks for posting it!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: iddu on 15 April, 2013, 12:43:56 pm
iddu, that tyre failure looks unique, never seen it like that before
It used to happen to the Armadillos.

Spot on, Mr H....Delaminated over 33% arc :o, and several smaller ones are starting - duly nuked from orbit

That's a cracking opening line for a story, tho'
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Nephi on 15 April, 2013, 12:47:08 pm
Enjoyable ride with a few challenges along the way, I am sure there would have been an easier 1st 300 but would it have stick with me as long as I expect this one will.

I have posted a ride report https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70580.0

Thanks Saddleworth Clarion for fellowship and John and team for a great ride.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 15 April, 2013, 12:59:56 pm
Well done Nephi - great write up.

Going to be keeping an eye out for your van on events - looks a fine place to go for breakfast!   :)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Mike Tatt on 15 April, 2013, 06:10:05 pm
Thanks to everyone who helped me after my fall. I was in too much pain and embarrassment to get names. And a special thanks to the rider who guided me to the control, as I would not have made that.
A lovely welsh man drove me 20km to Aberystwyth and helped me get my ticket. After a 2 hour train ride and a taxi I was back at the beginning. Gutted I didn't finish. But like Arnie; I'll be back!

Really glad you managed to get back okay Chris and once again thanks for lugging my water bottle for me. The lad who helped you to the Bowling
Club is another Mike. See you again when you are fixed.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Tail End Charlie on 15 April, 2013, 07:10:46 pm
There are, indeed some cracking write ups on here.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 15 April, 2013, 07:39:34 pm
Thanks everyone. I've just about recovered myself now.

Final stats were 124 entries, 94 starters and 87 finishers (mostly down to lack of legs/willpower). Not ideal weather conditions (3rd time lucky next year?) but we had our first sub 14hr finisher (45mins faster than last year). Second tandem couple, one Brompton and at least one fixed wheel - so clearly the route is suited to all types of machine (who's going to be first trike or recumbent?). Well done to everyone who finished, and thanks to all my helpers. I'll pass your appreciation on to all the controls.

For those not liking muddy road at The Warden maybe an alternative route could be Slough Hill> Evenjobb> Kinnerton> New Radnor ??
Warden road was particularly muddy this year. The farmer's been finally getting his sheep out into the field this week I think - late because of the snow. That would be an alternative, as would continuing via Discoed and then turning L to climb to Beggars Bush on the B road.

Interested to hear feedback on the alternative routes on the last stage. Who went over Cothercott and into Shrewsbury to avoid the dark side of the Mynd?

Cards are off to AUK and provisional results list is on the AUK website http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=13-748 (http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=13-748).

Lost property - one mini-LED light (no make/model) found in the hall. Any claimants?

Next years event is provisionally scheduled for Sat 12th April.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 15 April, 2013, 07:55:34 pm
John, if the lamp is a small one with a thumb-loop, it's probably mine.  I had a great day, thanks.  I'll do a report, soon, but probably submit it to Arrivee*.  Might stick some photos up here, though.

If Cothercott is the hill you go over by following the alternative on the route-sheet, then yes, I took that, along with Revellhino, wilkyboy and Bob from Wolverhampton.  It was easy to be seen that it only saves 50m of climbing.  Turns out that the Long Mynd was fine but we'd heard dire tales about its surface from a thirteen-times-rider at Rhayader.  The alternatve route was absolutely fine, though a little look at the altitude trace on the computer shows just how long the climbing goes on!

peter

*  Don't let that put anyone else off; it's a famous ride - it could easily stand more than one report!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: bikey-mikey on 15 April, 2013, 08:08:18 pm
Here is my garmin track...

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/298521386

Apparently I burned 9,401 calories climbing 5,658 metres.  Henry mentioned earlier my food intake.  I checked the little bag where I keep my wrappers and I had four fruesli bars, and about 1.5 litres of Hi Five 4:1, but I forgot to mention I also had a banana, and a Latte from RegT at Rhayader, and a can of full fat coke at the Little Brampton penultimate control...

The 'anti-climax' hill was lap 9.  It was 1.14 km - I climbed 127 metres & burned 115 calories, which is nearly a calorie per metre climbed !!!!!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Glover Fan on 15 April, 2013, 08:11:23 pm


Next years event is provisionally scheduled for Sat 12th April.
I've been inspired by these reports. I shall make this an aim for 2014. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Frank9755 on 15 April, 2013, 09:20:28 pm
Apparently I burned 9,401 calories climbing 9,658 metres.  Henry mentioned earlier my food intake.  I checked the little bag where I keep my wrappers and I had four fruesli bars, and about 1.5 litres of Hi Five 4:1, but I forgot to mention I also had a banana, and a Latte from RegT at Rhayader, and a can of full fat coke at the Little Brampton penultimate control...

I make your consumption only around 1300 calories!  I eat and drank my way through about 4,500.  I'm about 25% heavier so will have used a bit more energy in getting up the hills but, even so, you will have burned a lot more fat than me (and you have more limited supplies!) 

Interesting.  Perhaps I don't need to eat quite as much.  Were your legs still strong at the end on that (low) calorie intake? 
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Feline on 15 April, 2013, 10:26:45 pm
Well, I think my ride report is basically the opposite of Bikey Mikey's  ;D

I have never eaten as much on an Audax as this one. I blame this on Undulate's great choice of controls and the efforts of the many willing helpers, as well as my own pigginess!

Instead of a ride punctuated by stops I found this to be a food-fest divided by a few lumpy bike rides instead.

1. Upton Magna - Shobdon airfield
We managed to get in the first group for the off, which had the advantage of being able to check out the derrière of every rider who started the event as they passed us  ;D
Jonah was particularly impressive on his fixie as he stormed past.
I ate a full English breakfast and latte at the control.
Gave way to a light aircraft as we rode along the runway to leave.

2. Shobdon - Builth Wells
The skoggy lane of doom caused some slippage of our rear wheel but we stayed upright. On the descent I told Simon to slow down because I didn't want to die today (had I known what was to come I might have kept my mouth shut).
We controlled at a garage that made very hot coffee and sold Cadburys Creme Eggs. I bought a roll of cling film and applied it to the top of my boots to keep out the impending rainfall. Perhaps one of the weirder items seen on an Audax receipt....

3. Builth Wells - Devils Staircase checkpoint
It pretty much rained from BW to the finish. I didn't care because I had my cling film.
There was great cake at the checkpoint, I ate some and washed it down with black currant squash then sacrilegiously walked up the 25% section of the staircase. We chatted to Wilkyboy on The way up who heroically attempted to ride it on his Brompton but didn't quite make the first hairpin. Once past the worst we were able to remount and not walk anything else, which I suppose was good on a tandem. According to Peter our tandem is long. Someone else called us a tank. My left ITB started to really hurt, and I bitched a bit at Simon as we rode. I think he wished he had brought his noise cancelling headphones. We saw a lot of Iddu in this section, and saw him make his Larrington Manouvre.

4. Devils Staircase - Tregaron
We saw no Tregaron Mountain Toads. We didn't even see any frogs, which from other people's reports leads me to fear we mullered several unknowingly. My ITB was very sore when we arrived, and the locals threatened to take pictures of us lying on the floor doing stretches.
I ate soup, roll with cheese and then cheese on toast with coffee. I was totally stuffed when we left.

3. Tregaron - Rhyader
The Elan Valley was really beautiful, even if the wind was whipping in the wrong direction along it. The rain wasn't heavy enough to obscure the view. I was truly glad we were out on the tandem not holed up at home watching Battlestar Galactica reruns in front of the fire (well sort of).
The Strand cafe had comfy leather sofas on which we dripped and scoffed soup, rolls, cheese and onion pastry and coffee. I was sad I had come ill equipped for Le Dopage, but Wilkyboy was able to kindly supply some Vitamin I. Strangely my ITB didn't hurt again on the ride or since. I must find out who supplies his Vitamin I since mine is clearly less potent  :-\

4. Rhyader - Little Brampton
Simon had a theory that if we made it as far as Rhyader in time then we would be fine. Feeling over-confident and relaxed due to this we availed ourselves fully of our time in hand to relax and pig out at these controls.
The helpers at Little Brampton were insanely organised and served up beef stew with apple crumble and custard desert and more coffee at impressive speed. It was so warm in there I could happily have stayed.
I staggered out and just about managed to get my leg over for the last section.

5. Little Brampton - Upton Magna
Simon cunningly said we could do the alternative route to avoid a bit if climbing and a tricky descent in the dark. Unfortunately there was still a lot of climbing to go, which was frankly unwelcome at this point. I was so relieved the only badger we saw was already dead. The funniest bit of the ride was watching Simon try to get off the bike at the finish. I think we need to get a frame protector for the top tube if we are going to do a ride like this again.
I had soup and a lovely cup of tea at the finish. We were touched by how pleased other riders were with our arrival within the time limit. I'm not sure whether they realised our tardiness was due to about 3 1/2 hours stopped stuffing our faces at controls!
Rows of snoring riders looked very comfy in the hall. We wondered if the epic cycling calf tattoo on display belonged to Jonah.

The 4 mile ride back to the Travelodge seemed an infeasibly long way and we had a hot bath and collapsed into an unconscious stupor. I've personally never felt so stuffed with food or so knackered after an Audax.
It was tough, but in so many ways so worth it.

Thanks to all the other yacf'ers and other riders who made it such a rich and friendly experience, and especially Undulates and all his helpers.
For me this was a must-do audax and probably at the limits of my abilities. It was great  ;D

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Pip on 15 April, 2013, 10:41:44 pm
^^^^^^
Although, or perhaps, because it is late, please can you elaborate on the cling film angle?

I think that I ask on behalf of the majority.

Lovely write up.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Feline on 15 April, 2013, 10:44:27 pm
^^^^^^
Although, or perhaps, because it is late, please can you elaborate on the cling film angle?

Lovely write up.

Cling film over socks and top of boots but underneath the bottom of tights prevents water getting into goretex boots through that major flaw the hole in the top, and also from wicking down the tights into the socks. It looks kind of weird but works. Cling film in Welsh garages only costs 70p a roll  :o
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: wilkyboy on 15 April, 2013, 10:46:56 pm
I make your consumption only around 1300 calories!  I eat and drank my way through about 4,500.  I'm about 25% heavier so will have used a bit more energy in getting up the hills but, even so, you will have burned a lot more fat than me (and you have more limited supplies!) 

Interesting.  Perhaps I don't need to eat quite as much.  Were your legs still strong at the end on that (low) calorie intake?

I was wondering something similar: "have I eaten too much?"  I think I enjoyed the stops more than actually needing to take much food on board: I started with the intention of eating at Tregaron and bouncing the rest, as I have plenty of fat to burn, I don't need to add more, but stopped everywhere except Shobden.  I reckon I took in something like 6000kcal, of which about 2000kcal were jelly babies (not kidding! :thumbsup:) and both my watch and GPS reckoned I burnt somewhere between 11,000 and 12,000kcal over 19 hours.

This is all a bit new to me, so next time out (Saturday) I am going to try to eat less (after we start), maintain a steady pace and see what happens (I will be carrying a couple of thousand calories of bonk rations just in case it gets nasty in the wee hours  :facepalm:)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: wilkyboy on 15 April, 2013, 10:50:41 pm
... and at least one fixed wheel ...

I am sure I chatted with three: two on 67" and one on 75". It's funny how it all comes down to gearing in the end  ::-)

Next years event is provisionally scheduled for Sat 12th April.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Reg.T on 15 April, 2013, 11:07:19 pm
That was a tough day out for me, despite trying to pace myself a bit better than usual. I hope it was partly me having an off-day (I know it was partly the route too), as I never really felt like I was riding well, and had a few food issues as well.

I wholeheartedly echo all of the positive comments upthread about the route, controls and organisation.  :thumbsup:

My most memorable moment of the day was on the stage after lunch at Tregaron. Cycling along a narrowish lane I was somewhat surprised to be silently overtaken by a buzzard (I think - 4ft+ wingspan) swooping down to just above the road. It was just there for a few seconds and then when about 10 ft past me just swung up, away, and out of sight. An amazing encounter.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Henry on 15 April, 2013, 11:21:29 pm
I forgot to mention I also had a banana
Now that's just cheating  >:(

Some cracking write ups here, it's like audax poetry class  :thumbsup:

Wilkyboy, never again will I diss a Brompton, salute you sir...
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: wilkyboy on 15 April, 2013, 11:43:13 pm
Wilkyboy, never again will I diss a Brompton, salute you sir...

;D

Some pictures before bedtime:

Arriving at Shobden with one of the heroic fixie riders:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/wilkyboy1666/DSCN0350_zps2ba587b6.jpg)

Being dropped while taking photos as we cross Offa's Dyke:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/wilkyboy1666/DSCN0359_zpsd61868d6.jpg)

The ribbon of road disappearing up the spectacular Irfon Valley towards the Devil:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/wilkyboy1666/DSCN0371_zpsc80b7d40.jpg)

Feline and SimonP doing the honourable thing up the staircase (that juggernaut looked mighty heavy to be pushing!):

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/wilkyboy1666/DSCN0376_zps1377108f.jpg)

Iddu on Cenglau (?) after his Larrington Manoeuvre on the Staircase:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/wilkyboy1666/DSCN0378_zpsee02dd01.jpg)

SimonP and Feline riding up Cenglau:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/wilkyboy1666/DSCN0380_zps6bd50f17.jpg)

I took more, but most are blurry or misdirected or both.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Von Broad on 16 April, 2013, 12:13:15 am
Some pictures before bedtime:

Couple of nice shots there and some cracking accounts of the ride too.
Terrific stuff.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: bikey-mikey on 16 April, 2013, 01:05:01 am
Apparently I burned 9,401 calories climbing 5,658 metres.  Henry mentioned earlier my food intake.  I checked the little bag where I keep my wrappers and I had four fruesli bars, and about 1.5 litres of Hi Five 4:1, but I forgot to mention I also had a banana, and a Latte from RegT at Rhayader, and a can of full fat coke at the Little Brampton penultimate control...

I make your consumption only around 1300 calories!  I eat and drank my way through about 4,500.  I'm about 25% heavier so will have used a bit more energy in getting up the hills but, even so, you will have burned a lot more fat than me (and you have more limited supplies!) 

Interesting.  Perhaps I don't need to eat quite as much.  Were your legs still strong at the end on that (low) calorie intake?

Good guess for 'on the ride' cals - more detail below:-

The day before I eat like a horse..... anything I like, e.g. mixed cereals, mostly oats and rice based for low GI, and fruity stuff like Alpen, and lots of stuff with more fat than you would expect would be healthy, e.g. granola type clusters, in a dinner plate sized bowl - maybe equivalent to  20 x their recommended portions - a real mountain of stuff to chew, which I eat with a tiny teaspoon, so it all gets chewed slowly, and takes quite a while to eat.  Sometimes I will have a second bowl !!  I really do eat like a horse you see....

Breakfast in the hall was a very large bowl of cereal with milk, and a coffee

On the ride:-

4 Frusli bars each c. 115 cals,             = 460 cals,
The banana maybe                                120 cals,
the Frijj chocolate milk                           360 cals
the Latte,                                             128 cals,
the full fat Coke can                              140 cals
Hi Five 2.5 scoops/bottle 210 cals x 2  = 420 cals
total 1,628 cals

After the ride:-

Immediate bottle of whey protein recovery drink (Chocolate !!)  500 cals
Immediate hot pasta dish, large serving   ? cals
Two portions of the dessert sponge 'caik' - forget it's actual name but delicious, plus huge dollop of hot custard - lots of cals??
Coffee and coffee

During lift home 2 bottles of lucozade - maybe 400 cals

After lift home 2 hours later  - actually I had a bottle of ice cold J2O, the red one with raspberry and apple I think..

Then a shower and bed..


My legs?  Many people overtook me during the ride, especially on the hills, but I was hardly ever going flat out. Then I bounced the next control and went ahead of them again, mostly.  I have a policy of not riding faster than maybe 50% of my maximum on the hills...  No point in 'burning my matches', so as I'm not really trying, I'm not really doing much damage, and thus I have less recovery to do, so can do it again the next day.  I really only began to exert myself after the Brampton control - before that the steep climbs raised my heartrate pretty high, but I have been training on multiple repeat hill climbing, e.g. sometimes as much as two hours of nonstop repeats of the climb to the Somerset Monument, about 75 metres up over about 1 km and then back down and then up again, etc etc etc...  My heartrate recovers very quickly, and my legs even quicker.  I flew back from Brampton, climbing the short rises out of the saddle, and accelerating away from the junctions out of the saddle..  today my legs do feel stretched, but that is how they tend to feel on non cycling days most of the time anyway...


Here is a recent 50 km nominated distance DIYxGPS, with a googlemapswalking distance of 72.5 kms, giving me 7 hours 15 minutes to finish the ride - the actual distance ridden was 120 kms or so - it got 2.5 AAA from the estimable Mr S, and I would say it felt and was harder from my perspective than Yr Elenydd, though obviously shorter, but it was 'training', and of course nowhere near as visually stunning !!

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/292797395

I think my heavy mileages and relatively low eating may have caused my body to adapt towards fat burning, and as I mostly avoid going flat out this may also help me to avoid burning my glycogen stocks.  You need a bit of glycogen to burn the fat, but not lots of it, and I imagine my low 'in ride' calorie consumption is high enough to keep topping up the glycogen high enough to be the catalyst for the fat burning.  I guess I may have burned off a kilo or so of body fat, which would have supplied the 'missing' calories, but after a couple of days my weight is back around 60.4 kgs, which was where it was the day before the event.

Follow this link to see a table that might explain things - fifteen hours at 35 grams of fat per hour would account for about half a kilo weight loss, and maybe the rest was a touch of dehydration?

http://highfive.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Figure-1.png
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 16 April, 2013, 07:19:42 am
I have never eaten as much on an Audax as this one. I blame this on Undulate's great choice of controls and the efforts of the many willing helpers, as well as my own pigginess!

Instead of a ride punctuated by stops I found this to be a food-fest divided by a few lumpy bike rides instead.

You've sussed my organising strategy then. Never knowingly underfed.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 16 April, 2013, 07:23:35 am
Great photos up there wilkyboy!

That view up the Irfon valley is about my favourite view on any bike ride.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Frank9755 on 16 April, 2013, 07:35:18 am
Interesting, Mikey, ^^

You ate a bit more than I thought.  In particular, you clearly have a taste for strong (energy) drink when riding!

The only time I've ever really run out of energy was at the end of PBP when, after eating well the whole way, I got it into my head that I could manage the last 300km on three or four croissants. 

I've done a little bit of research into this recently in the context of preparing for the 24 hour TT.  I ran out of fuel on that last year, although not as badly as PBP, but ended up spending quite a few hours plodding along at 12mph. 

My research has thrown up the figure of 300 calories per hour as being what a typical person can take in on endurance events, and I was aiming for that on Saturday.  Of course you need to use your own reserves as well.  At some point, you would run out of reserves but your ride suggests that there is more margin of error than I had assumed.  It sounds like you certainly finished with glycogen still in your legs. 

Anyway, apologies all, this is a bit OT but interesting for me!

And ditto to comments about great photos!  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: frankly frankie on 16 April, 2013, 08:42:21 am
When Sheila got within 1 mile of the (then) Ladies' National record on the 24h TT, she rode the whole thing entirely on Coca-Cola.  (And then survived a drugs test afterward)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Frank9755 on 16 April, 2013, 02:10:23 pm
Basically sugar + caffeine.  Would be ok as long as she could rely on very regular feeding - which clearly was not a problem given the result.

Coke is the traditional finishing circuit fuel at my club.  But it has to be flat, so one of the helper tasks during the day is to get the gas out of a large bottle by doing lots of decanting and shaking.  Would be quite a job to do for a rider who was using coke for the whole event!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Donny Dalat on 16 April, 2013, 04:44:11 pm
I loved that ride, thought it was brilliant.

Maybe the checkpoints were a little too good as according to the Garmin I appear to have been stationary for 4 hours!  ;)

Feline and Simon that was me sat next to you at the first checkpoint, was good chatting to you... I highly recommend the breakfast bap for next year, yum!

The only photo I took was this one. The guy in the next tent was unlucky with punctures, so makes me wonder if that was Tail End Charlie:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8252/8655023152_c23786a7b1_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Tail End Charlie on 16 April, 2013, 05:56:04 pm
Donny, it was indeed me in the tent next to you. Nice to meet you. Looking at your photo it's taken me ages to work out why my bike isn't leaning against the tree. Or perhaps someone nicked it and returned it without me knowing.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Donny Dalat on 16 April, 2013, 07:19:07 pm
Donny, it was indeed me in the tent next to you. Nice to meet you. Looking at your photo it's taken me ages to work out why my bike isn't leaning against the tree. Or perhaps someone nicked it and returned it without me knowing.

Was nice to meet you too. Don't worry I didn't airbrush your bike out. I left the start 20 minutes late, you were long gone!
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 17 April, 2013, 10:36:44 am
I've just put some pictures over in Ride Reports.

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70636.msg1464434#new
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 14 June, 2013, 08:34:52 pm
Cards are off to AUK and provisional results list is on the AUK website http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=13-748 (http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=13-748).

Validated Brevet Cards are now in the post to all finishers, along with any badges and/or medals ordered.

Hope to see some of you again next year - Saturday 12th April
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Feline on 14 June, 2013, 08:37:06 pm
Cards are off to AUK and provisional results list is on the AUK website http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=13-748 (http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=13-748).

Validated Brevet Cards are now in the post to all finishers, along with any badges and/or medals ordered.

Hope to see some of you again next year - Saturday 12th April

Received, thanks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 14 June, 2013, 08:38:49 pm
Royal Mail's not quite dead yet then.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: bikey-mikey on 14 June, 2013, 09:17:48 pm
Got mine today, too

oooo a French signature  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jamesld8 on 19 June, 2013, 09:12:02 pm
Got mine today, too

oooo a French signature  :thumbsup:

ditto received with pleasure :) Thanks
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 30 September, 2013, 08:55:08 pm
Hope to see some of you again next year - Saturday 12th April

Next year's event (There and Back Again) is now in the calendar for Saturday 12th April (http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/14-748/). 2 entries received so far.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: jamesld8 on 30 September, 2013, 09:22:33 pm
yes one`s mine coming back again  :thumbsup: ---hope still camping at village hall start too, ....and may it not be an east wind down Cwmystwyth valley in 2014  :(
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hillbilly on 30 September, 2013, 09:27:37 pm
(If anyone can't make this, then John's Barcud Coch perm does a fair chunk of the best bits and does an even better route into Tregaron, via Llyn Brianne rather than the over-rated and frankly PITA Devil's Staircase.  Probably one of the best 200km routes in the UK, I can think of only a couple of others that are as special, at least for those who don't mind hills).
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: U.N.Dulates on 01 October, 2013, 09:11:16 pm
yes one`s mine coming back again  :thumbsup: ---hope still camping at village hall start too, ....and may it not be an east wind down Cwmystwyth valley in 2014  :(
No changes planned at all. Will have quite enough to do in 2014 with my other project (watch this space)
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Hillbilly on 01 October, 2013, 09:24:06 pm
*twinge of excitement*

You tease.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: JayP on 01 October, 2013, 09:39:07 pm
yes one`s mine coming back again  :thumbsup: ---hope still camping at village hall start too, ....and may it not be an east wind down Cwmystwyth valley in 2014  :(
No changes planned at all. Will have quite enough to do in 2014 with my other project (watch this space)

The Ride that dare not speak its name
:o
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: simonp on 02 October, 2013, 04:27:57 pm
 2007: Ride PBP on gears.
 2009: Ride LEL on gears.
 2010: Ride Mille Cymru on gears.

 2011: Ride PBP on fixed.
 2013: Ride LEL on fixed.
 2014: Ride Mille Cymru (?) on ...?

Arse.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: Peter on 02 October, 2013, 04:39:17 pm
Be a bit slow (and painful).  I should use the bike again.
Title: Re: Yr Elenydd - 13th April
Post by: marcusjb on 02 October, 2013, 05:06:36 pm
2007: Ride PBP on gears.
 2009: Ride LEL on gears.
 2010: Ride Mille Cymru on gears.

 2011: Ride PBP on fixed.
 2013: Ride LEL on fixed.
 2014: Ride Mille Cymru (?) on ...?

Arse.

Oh dear, oh dear. That is an unfortunate sequence.