PBP Registration website

[TOBY]

Given all this early commitment it will be interesting to see how many pre-reger’s successfully qualify and if when the non-progressing* spaces are made available in the free for all there are enough riders with an SR to fill them.

Seeing spaces getting thinner by the minute I can imagine people binning off plans of PBP for something else (maybe the 24hr, the TransCon or a Holiday) so not riding qualifiers and not being able to enter when spaces do actually become available.

* my qualifiers are being performed on a knife edge so that’s one potentially going back on the market.

[grams]

I wonder if there’ll be many people who *register* but fail to complete an SR - that would lead to unfilled places after July 3rd, with possibly lots of grumpy people wanting them.

Or alternatively demand after June 20th might fail to materialise and everyone gets a place.

[Ajax Bay]

Given all this early commitment it will be interesting to see how many pre-reger’s successfully qualify . . .

I guess that the 3700+ riders who've made the effort to ride at least a 600 last year and taken the trouble to pre-register will, real life allowing, have little difficulty completing an SR (and thus qualify) in the coming months. In the same way that we have seen extraordinary numbers completing a 1000+ and/or a 600 this time round, I suspect that the fall-out rate (those that pre-register and then don't qualify and register) will be at an 'all time' low.
"You will have to convert your pre-registration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your pre-registration. The registration period begins on 25 May 2019 and ends on 03 July 2019."

[simonp]

Still 2500+ places remain.

If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.

[marcusjb]

Still 2500+ places remain.

If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.

Latest numbers with difference from 9:00 (Ajax Bay's figures)

18/08   80h00   697 (15)
18/08   90h00   1530 (88)
19/08   84h00   467 (16)

So it's more like under 1 a minute now (119 people in around 150 minutes)

I guess it will slow and slow through the day as much of the world will have been awake to pre-register now.

I'm not saying it's not tight, but there could well be 1000-1500 places for 400km pre-reg.

Looking at the graph for the 1000km+ pre-regs, it very quickly drops off to what looks like less than 25 people a day.

[quixoticgeek]

Seeing spaces getting thinner by the minute I can imagine people binning off plans of PBP for something else (maybe the 24hr, the TransCon or a Holiday) so not riding qualifiers and not being able to enter when spaces do actually become available.

TransCon applications process was concluded before the 1000km prereg opened for PBP. So unlikely that TCR will be a fall back for those who failed to get into PBP... That said, PBP was my fall back had I not got a place on the TCR...

J

[L CC]

About 1000 entrants in the first 15 minutes.

I'm signed up as a 90hr tandem (Group H, 17:45) but my stoker is unable to enter yet because it keeps asking for his 2018 BRM number, which he doesn't have. I believe that he should be using my PBP entry number to enter (as the other half of the tandem), so perhaps his entry will have to wait for a few weeks. PBP 'knows' that the second half of the tandem is still to enter, so will have kept aside that entry.

Sames. I haven't even tried to put my pilot in yet.
#potentialvacancy

[john jackson]

Not changed in the last 3 refreshes.
18/08   80h00   883
18/08   90h00   2001
19/08   84h00   567

What was the URL for this?

Top of  PBP website http://www.paris-brest-paris.org

[bairn again]

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   682
18/08   90h00   1493
19/08   84h00   456

Delta has been 59 in total over the last 2 hrs. 

[markldn]

Can someone post a TLDR summary of what is going on?  I have just flicked through this thread for the first time having dedicated the last few months to dedicating the next several months of my life to Audax and PBP.  I completed the Lancashire Lights 200 BRM in October which was my longest ride.  Are we saying that there is a good chance I won't get a space for PBP???

[postie]

To be blunt and straight to the point- very unlikely to get a place.

[Cycles_Goff]

Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!

[Neil C]

6500 places.
2000 went to riders who had done a 1000km or more ride last year.
Another 2000 have already gone to the 600km riders.
So only 2500 left.

In two weeks time the 400km riders will join the scramble for places.
If I had only done a 300km I would be sweating bucketloads.
If I only had a 200 to my name I'd be preparing for LEL in2021.

[LittleWheelsandBig]

Somebody can enter PBP without riding a BRM last year but only after everybody who has ridden a 2018 BRM has had an opportunity to enter PBP. PBP will sell out before that date. In this edition, the only non-prequalified PBP entrants will be on tandems, teamed with prequalified riders. My stoker will be one of them.

[Phil W]

Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!

Longest BRM in 2018 just determines how early you can pre register.  If you have no BRM in 2018 you will be able to register at a later date if places left. Seems unlikely places will be left though apart from those freed up by those who fail to complete a BRM SR within the stated calendar dates in 2019.

[markldn]

Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!

Mine was definitely a pre-qualifier for PBP.  I believe it aligns to the ACP season and the AUK website says "ride a BRM before 31 October".  This is confirmed having made an account on the PBP website and after entering my event number it says I need to wait until 11 March to pre-register.

Anyways... this is a disaster.

[LittleWheelsandBig]

It certainly isn't pleasant. You don't have to wait until LEL to do a long brevet though. There are other smaller 1200s being run this year. Alternatively, you could join HK and I on the UAF's Paris-Tourmalet 1000 starting 30 June.

[simonp]

Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!

Mine was definitely a pre-qualifier for PBP.  I believe it aligns to the ACP season and the AUK website says "ride a BRM before 31 October".  This is confirmed having made an account on the PBP website and after entering my event number it says I need to wait until 11 March to pre-register.

Anyways... this is a disaster.

If it fills up before 11 March you can decide whether to go ahead and ride an SR or not. There are likely to be some people who got a place ahead of you who don't get in.

[rob]

Anyways... this is a disaster.

Not entirely.   There are many stories in AUKs history of riders taking the sport up, doing an SR and then doing PBP in the same year.   The problem is that, globally, long distance riding has become very popular and we're now seeing the effects.

I still suspect there will be free spots come July as real life takes over.   You might as well ride an SR series anyway and then see what happens.

[Ajax Bay]

Can someone post a TLDR summary of what is going on?  I have just flicked through this thread for the first time having dedicated the last few months to dedicating the next several months of my life to Audax and PBP.  I completed the Lancashire Lights 200 BRM in October which was my longest ride.  Are we saying that there is a good chance I won't get a space for PBP???

Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF): Have a great spring riding an SR (200, 300, 400, 600, all BRM(PBP)) and keep 20 Jun (2300 BST on 19 Jun) free to be online.
AudaxUK page has said (for over a year):
"If you are at all interested in riding PBP in 2019, the advice is to ride the longest possible BRM or RM event in the 2018 season (before 31 October 2018)."
ACP (who organise PBP) say; "about 6500 places available".
All the figures I quote do not include 'specials' (ie esoterics).
Pre-registration opened on 14 Jan for those who'd ridden 1000+ BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year). Just under 2000 pre-register: 1722 in the first 33 hours and another 250 odd in the next 10 days. This is about 80% of the riders worldwide who have ridden a 1000+ BRM in 2018.
I estimate there are over 7000 riders worldwide who have ridden a 600 BRM (but no further) in 2018.
Pre-registration opened on 28 Jan at 0000 CST for those who'd ridden a 600 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year). Just under 2000 have pre-registered in 16 hours
The PBP site: http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=edito
has a counter at the top showing the number of places left (as at 1530 GMT on 28 Jan):
Time limit  Available places
80h00    670
90h00    1457
84h00    451
I think there are no reliable data to suggest how many more will pre-register in the next few days.
On 11 Feb (10 Feb @ 2300 GMT) pre-registration will open for those who'd ridden a 400 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year).
This pre-registration will consume the remaining places (so if you only have a 400, 'time is of the essence'), with many riders who would prefer a 90 hour start time being 'forced' into selecting a 80 or 84 hour time limit ride.
This is consistent with ACP's 2017/18 recommendation for all those who want to ride PBP to ride AT LEAST a 400 BRM in 2018.
Riders not able to thus pre-register will have to wait till 20 Jun to register. Because on 20 Jun any of those who have pre-registered but not subsequently (25 May - 19 Jun) registered will 'lose' that precedence and their places (and start time slots) will be up for grabs. Difficult to say how many places that will 'throw up'.
PBP site (version in English): http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=comment_sinscrire
"You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration."
Registration, by whatever route, must be complete with all 4 (200, 300, 400, 600) BRM homolgation numbers provided (et cetera)
by 3 Jul.
Andy Corless is organising his Inverness 1200 in July. No qualification required! http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-585/
HTH

[marcusjb]

Anyways... this is a disaster.

Not entirely.   There are many stories in AUKs history of riders taking the sport up, doing an SR and then doing PBP in the same year.   The problem is that, globally, long distance riding has become very popular and we're now seeing the effects.

I still suspect there will be free spots come July as real life takes over.   You might as well ride an SR series anyway and then see what happens.

^100% this

Don't give up - there may well be opportunity as Rob says.

It does upset me as someone who'd never really heard of Audax in late 2010 and went on to ride PBP in 2011 (along with a good number of others who went from no distance to PBP successfully) that this becomes more challenging these days.

[Zed43]

Anyways... this is a disaster.

Disasters are events that cost lives. But I sympathise with your disappointment.

[simonp]

On 11 Feb (10 Feb @ 2300 GMT) pre-registration will open for those who'd ridden a 400 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year).
This pre-registration will consume the remaining places (so if you only have a 400, 'time is of the essence'), with many riders who would prefer a 90 hour start time being 'forced' into selecting a 80 or 84 hour time limit ride.

I don't think it's guaranteed that the 400s will take all the places. Let's see.

I'll be in quick for sure just in case.

[jiberjaber]

6500 places.
2000 went to riders who had done a 1000km or more ride last year.
Another 2000 have already gone to the 600km riders.
So only 2500 left.

In two weeks time the 400km riders will join the scramble for places.
If I had only done a 300km I would be sweating bucketloads.
If I only had a 200 to my name I'd be preparing for LEL in2021.

Yep - midnight 25 Feb for us 300k BRM riders.... it's going to be close 

[Von Broad]

I must say, just from a personal perspective, I'm reading all this with a certain amount of amusement.

When did the French introduce the prequalifiers, it must have been 2011 because I don't recall them being around in 2007?

In 2011, the sentiment offered was very much along the lines of - 'prequalifiers? 'waste of time, not necessary, money spinner, everybody who wants to ride will be able to'.

2015 wasn't a whole lot different from what I can remember.

But 2019 looks like being a different animal....the 'can't be arsed to ride a 600 in 2018' brigade [looks solely at self].....are going to have to face the reality of their apathetic indifference 

Oh well, I take the attitude that a whole bunch of people want it a damn sight more than I do, so fair play to 'em for being bothered.
I'll probably be sorry not to be there come the time though. But that's the way it goes.