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Digestion problems
« on: 01 October, 2008, 03:44:34 pm »
A freind has recently been diagnosed with digestion problems. The lower intestines are no longer able to break down complex carbohydrates and thus the bacteria are able to feed on these in the gut and this is causing problems. There is still no definate diagnosis and they are still conducting tests, but it has been bad for the past few months and shes been living off lucozade and dark chocolate and lost a lot of weight.  Any advice would be appreciated, websites, books, particuarly for diets and suggested foods.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #1 on: 01 October, 2008, 03:48:07 pm »
The best book to read( or possibly the worst, depending on your viewpoint) would definately be "The Good Gut Guide".  My late MiL bought it for me when I was diagnosed with Crohns.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #2 on: 01 October, 2008, 03:50:43 pm »
Is this gluten intolerance (coeliac) or something more unusual?  In other words, is it just wheat, or do rice and potatoes cause the same problem?
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #3 on: 01 October, 2008, 03:53:58 pm »
I hate to say it but she should really wait to get a proper diagnosis before making any dietary changes.  Otherwise, she could make things a lot worse.

If she is getting to the stage that she is becoming chronically undernourished, which if she is surviving on lucozade and choclate is a strong possibility, then she should seek a referral to a registered dietician.

I appreciate that there is a lot a knowledge on this forum but with something like this then the medical professionals are the best people to ask.
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #4 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:07:25 pm »
Been there.

How bad can it get? erm, I was unable to tolerate light for a week, could barely get from bed to toilet without help.

I went on a very very restrictive diet for some time. 12 years later my diet is still wheat-free.

Your friend is taking a diet very high in sugar and nothing else, which will really throw out her digestion.

My 'recovery' diet was potato (no skins) and yogurt (live plain yogurt only) for 2 weeks, then gradually introducing vegetables, steamed or boiled only (no dairy other than the yogurt). Definitely no alcohol.

Once my strength came back I had tests. It was very very clear that I could no longer tolerate wheat. Initially I couldn't take oats, rye, barley either. Eating so much as a small bite of bread or half a biscuit produced agonizing stomach cramps within a couple of hours.
I guess she is already seeing a gastroenterologist.

From my experience:

Eat very small quantities of carbohydrate. Chew very very thoroughly. A good treat is to slice a baked potato, then grill (no fat) the slices. Add a bit of salt.

Keep down the sugar intake.

Fennel, the herb, has a marvelous calming effect. Just chew the herb, you don't have to swallow it.

Plain boiled brown rice, with a bit of salt or seasoning like Herbamare is good. Plain food is better.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #5 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:10:48 pm »
Agree with Regulator. Some of these 'diagnoses' can be bizarre and based on pseudoscience, then treated with fad diets.
A proper medical diagnosis and advice from a decent dietician are the way to go.

Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #6 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:14:14 pm »
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The lower intestines are no longer able to break down complex carbohydrates and thus the bacteria are able to feed on these in the gut

Not my field but that doesn't correlate with what I know of carbohydrate digestion. Intestinal microbiota are in fact an important part of the digestion of complex carbs so there is nothing inherently wrong in the above.

recently been diagnosed with digestion problems... no definate diagnosis

Completely agree with Regulator: GP, appropriate referrals, avoid wacky advice from internet.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #7 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:14:34 pm »
Agree with Regulator. Some of these 'diagnoses' can be bizarre and based on pseudscience, then treated with fad diets.
A proper medical diagnosis and advice from a decent dietician are the way to go.


Indeed!  And misdiagnosis is common.  One 'allergy specialist' told me that my Crohn's Disease was actually a wheat intolerance, and that I should stop taking the anti-inflammatories, the steriods and the immuno-suppressants, and instead go on a wheat free diet whilst imbibing large amounts of cactus juice...  ::-) >:(
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #8 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:23:05 pm »
Ask about Ensure Plus, available from pharmacists and sometimes on prescripition.  It's a meal replacement/supplement drink for people too ill to eat enough/any normal food.  It contains all the protein, carbs, vitamins and minerals you need.

A suitable medical expert (not necessarily the GP!) should advise whether the particular ingredients are suitable for the particular condition.
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #9 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:25:28 pm »
If you have Crohn's, you need proper conventional medical treatment by a gastroenterologist.
If you have Irritable Bowel Syndrome, you should accept the fact that everyone farts and makes poo.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #10 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:28:05 pm »
I agree with most posters that medical advice is certainly the best course.  Dietitians can be useful, but NEVER nutritionists!

Personally, I suffered from IBS for a couple of years.  It was painful, difficult to manage, and socially hard to manage.  Medical approaches didn't help, but a change to a vegan diet very quickly did.

But that was me.  Try talking to the GP first.
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #11 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:28:52 pm »
If you have Crohn's, you need proper conventional medical treatment by a gastroenterologist.
If you have Irritable Bowel Syndrome, you should accept the fact that everyone farts and makes poo.


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I see a very nice gut chap at the Royal London.  As I have been living with it for 25 years, he reckons I probably know as much about the management of Crohn's as he does and he has given me a standing prescription at Boots, so that I can get the prescription drugs I need when I need them.  I also have a standing appointment at his clinic, so I can just phone up and go in when I feel I need to see him.

I know what you mean about IBS - but to be fair I do know several people who suffer from the real McCoy IBS - as opposed to the fashionable version...
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #12 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:29:39 pm »
IBS is a label a lot of people have latched onto.  The real thing is very debilitating.
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #13 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:30:34 pm »
IBS is a label a lot of people have latched onto.  The real thing is very debilitating.

Indeed!  As someone with gut problems I would never belittle the reality of IBS.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #14 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:31:26 pm »
My tongue was gently cheekwardly placed...
Colpermin can be good.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #15 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:34:47 pm »
My tongue was gently cheekwardly placed...
Colpermin can be good.

Is a cheekwardly placed tongue a good thing with IBS?
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #16 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:35:12 pm »
I know that both of you would know the seriousness of it, but I agree that someone with a bit of discomfort deciding on the basis of no medical evidence that they have a 'condition' (and it's usually IBS they cite) belittles the very real difficulties people do face (and, I admit, I didn't realise until I faced them myself).
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #17 on: 01 October, 2008, 04:36:18 pm »
My tongue was gently cheekwardly placed...
Colpermin can be good.

Is a cheekwardly placed tongue a good thing with IBS?

Rimming is definitely off the menu with certain bowel disorders....  ;) :sick:
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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #18 on: 01 October, 2008, 06:20:52 pm »
IBS is miserable.
But those mint capsules are lovely as they make one's farts smell like air freshener. Which is nice in a lift as folk go 'Hmm - minty!'. Cause for a little smile.

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #19 on: 01 October, 2008, 06:26:05 pm »
Can I post a slightly NSFW link to cheer up your friend.  Possibly?

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Re: Digestion problems
« Reply #20 on: 05 October, 2008, 06:14:36 pm »
Thank you for all your advice, its given us a few things to go off and look into, I think the dietition is an important step and researching more about how digestion works while we wait for test results.