Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Greenbank on 10 November, 2016, 11:41:06 am
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Just done mine, all in about 45 seconds from receiving the reminder email. Very slick, nice work.
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Just done mine, all in about 45 seconds from receiving the reminder email. Very slick, nice work.
Ditto
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Tritto
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Quadtro
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When you're on a five-year membership, you don't get the annual reminders. I'm hoping we do get them quintannually, though! :facepalm: IGMC ;D
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When you're on a five-year membership, you don't get the annual reminders. I'm hoping we do get them quintannually, though! :facepalm: IGMC ;D
I'm at the end of a 5 year membership. Mike sent an email reminder today.
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Done mine as well.
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I got a man in to do mine.
Aint shackin' up grand :D
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I need to slough off a surplus household member, and change my name, before I renew. Not sure whether to bother since I don't seem to have ridden an Audax in, well, ever, if points are the important thing.
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EDIT: this was actually intended to be a lightly humorous response, to what I assumed were humorous comments (about AUK points, and an unusual use of the word slough).
I need to slough off a surplus household member, and change my name, before I renew. Not sure whether to bother since I don't seem to have ridden an Audax in, well, ever, if points are the important thing.
"important" ?? They are the ONLY thing, madam.
Perhaps it's time to slough yourself?
(sorry, pre-Taunton mania has taken over my keyboard ::-))
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"important" ?? They are the ONLY thing, madam.
Real auks don't do points.
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I need to slough off a surplus household member, and change my name, before I renew. Not sure whether to bother since I don't seem to have ridden an Audax in, well, ever, if points are the important thing.
"important" ?? They are the ONLY thing, madam.
Perhaps it's time to slough yourself?
(sorry, pre-Taunton mania has taken over my keyboard ::-))
And what the bloody hell does that mean?
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I need to slough off a surplus household member, and change my name, before I renew. Not sure whether to bother since I don't seem to have ridden an Audax in, well, ever, if points are the important thing.
"important" ?? They are the ONLY thing, madam.
Perhaps it's time to slough yourself?
(sorry, pre-Taunton mania has taken over my keyboard ::-))
And what the bloody hell does that mean?
Be charitable and assume it's a big finger predictive text error.
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I'm afraid I only speak English. Can you translate?
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Did mine at work today.
I only ever do 1 year, it seems to be poking fate in the eye to do 5.
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5 more years for me please!
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When you're on a five-year membership, you don't get the annual reminders. I'm hoping we do get them quintannually, though! :facepalm: IGMC ;D
I'm at the end of a 5 year membership. Mike sent an email reminder today.
Same here. Mine arrived, paid and renewed within 15 minutes.
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Did mine at work today.
I only ever do 1 year, it seems to be poking fate in the eye to do 5.
I decided last year I really ought to show a bit of commitment so went for 5. No email for me just now ...
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I need to slough off a surplus household member, and change my name, before I renew. Not sure whether to bother since I don't seem to have ridden an Audax in, well, ever, if points are the important thing.
There's a great magazine and the camaraderie of other long-distance cyclists, which justify my continued membership, even if not been able to cycle since around 2000.
My 5-year term expires at the end of next year and I will renew if I'm not destitute.
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I hope I still have years to go...
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I joined in 1993 and am in my fifth 5-year term...
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Well DO you think that points are the important thing?
[alt: Perhaps I _should_ have thrown a smiley in there. Probably saved a lot of time in the long run ... ::-) ]
Ian, Matt, please take your issues off the road (or preferably across) thanks!
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Bizarre line of conversation!
But I have renewed for £14 :)
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When you're on a five-year membership, you don't get the annual reminders. I'm hoping we do get them quintannually, though! :facepalm: IGMC ;D
It's not an annual reminder though, it's notification of impending membership expiration; so it doesn't matter whether it was a one year or a five year membership.
(Mine was a 5 year membership and renewed for a further 5 years...)
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What better way to continue exhibiting social AUKwardness?
*strum*
I think I saw you in an garage forecourt
drinking milk shakes cold and long
Smiling and waving and looking so fine
don't think you knew you were in this song
And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an audaxer
And I thought of home and I wanted to get back there
Our pace, don't race, the way that we talk
I passed you, on a hill, I thought you might walk
We've got five years, sent in by paypal
We've got five years, I must be so mental
We've got five years, my butt hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's what we've got
(with thanks to David Jones)
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We could all be Audaxers, just for one day
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When I signed up for five years in March '13, I assumed it would expire in Feb '18. After a few months, when I realised I was on RRtY, I decided to target at least a 200 a month for my 60 months membership. Now I well and truly have the Audax bug, I will probably renew for another five years at the end of next year, if only to get that 5xRRtY badge. On a scale of 1-10, how sad is that?
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One side of Arrivée address sheet gives detailed membership renewal instructions.
Other side: [****] Membership valid for 2017 - no subscription fee payable!
Suggest people check both sides of address sheet before looking online...
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One side of Arrivée address sheet gives detailed membership renewal instructions.
Other side: [****] Membership valid for 2017 - no subscription fee payable!
Suggest people check both sides of address sheet before looking online...
Yes, that message line is "personalised" but the instructions on the back are common for all. I've also personalised the email reminders depending on whether you are a Life Member or not, and have Household Members. Sending out paper mail-merged reminders with Arrivee has worked less than perfectly in previous years, but MailChimp allows me to contact the 85% of Members with an email address (provided the email address is correct, current, and monitored).
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It's in the regs, Andy.
4.1.3 Life members:
(a) any member over 65 years of age on 1 January who has been a member continuously for the previous 10 years may remain a member without subscription.
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I've added something about Life Membership in the Membership FAQs (http://www.aukweb.net/aboutauk/membershipfaq/?action=publish), as well as doing some minor updates (membership was 400 when the FAQs were written, we're at 7000 now).
I'll put some links in when I've worked out how to do so.
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What better way to continue exhibiting social AUKwardness?
*strum*
I think I saw you in an garage forecourt
drinking milk shakes cold and long
Smiling and waving and looking so fine
don't think you knew you were in this song
And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an audaxer
And I thought of home and I wanted to get back there
Our pace, don't race, the way that we talk
I passed you, on a hill, I thought you might walk
We've got five years, sent in by paypal
We've got five years, I must be so mental
We've got five years, my butt hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's what we've got
(with thanks to David Jones)
Great Billy
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I've added something about Life Membership in the Membership FAQs (http://www.aukweb.net/aboutauk/membershipfaq/?action=publish), as well as doing some minor updates (membership was 400 when the FAQs were written, we're at 7000 now).
I'll put some links in when I've worked out how to do so.
Shout if you need help with that.
BTW, I spotted one outdted reference in there, about setting up SO. Mentions 4 digit memnos !
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(it often is)
;D
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When I was looking on the website for details of Life Membership I didn't see your Membership FAQ and didn't realise they existed
To be honest I had completely forgotten we had Membership FAQs, hence them being several years out of date. The must have been written by the previous MemSec, but I'll have a good look through them now I've found them. I'm sure we can have a link from the joining page, and as we have non-cycling weather this weekend I'll be able to have a go at that tomorrow.
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Renewal was very easy. It would have been done a lot sooner, but the reminder was sent to a defunct mail address and not the one registered on aukweb.
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Renewal was very easy. It would have been done a lot sooner, but the reminder was sent to a defunct mail address and not the one registered on aukweb.
but that doesn't make sense - I only sent the reminder emails to the address you list at aukweb.net > Members > MyDetails, which I downloaded 21/10/2016. Of course if you updated your email address after then, that would have been unfortunate. I'll make a note for next year to monitor any email updates around this period.
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I am impressed with how easy the membership renewal is. :thumbsup:
PS. Defrocking of defaulters starts in 8 hours ;D
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Your Audax UK Membership could be about to expire! As I write this, there is just over 2 hours before the end of 2017.
However, it's not quite the end of the world; you can still renew your membership at www.aukweb.net/renewals (http://www.aukweb.net/renewals) in early January and we'll say no more about it. You must do it before you ride another Audax event (Calendar or Perm) of course, otherwise you will be due to pay the extra £2 non-member supplement.
How to tell if your membership is about to expire or (if you are reading this in January) has already expired? Simple: go to www.aukweb.net > Members > MyDetails (http://www.aukweb.net/members/profile/) and you will see the "valid until" message which should give you a big clue.
Need a reminder about your MemNo and Password? Drop me a PM - but I may be out partying so don't expect an instant response. I'll need your name and postal address, as I will almost certainly fail to recognise your YACF name.
Happy New Year!
Oh, I'm the (current) Membership Secretary, if you hadn't gathered.
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we're at 7000 now
Delph,
Can you tell how many of the 7,000 members have ridden at least one of the following: BP, BR, BRM, Perms, DIY's ECE's, imaginary rides (I was sitting on my couch thinking of riding, does that count?) in 2017?
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we're at 7000 now
Delph,
Can you tell how many of the 7,000 members have ridden at least one of the following: BP, BR, BRM, Perms, DIY's ECE's, imaginary rides (I was sitting on my couch thinking of riding, does that count?) in 2017?
Perhaps come out from under your bridge and explain why this is important or useful information.
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Can you tell how many of the 7,000 members have ridden at least one of the following: BP, BR, BRM, Perms, DIY's ECE's, ... in 2017?
Yes. Hmm. But not easily. I would have to consolidate all the MemNos on the Points Table, the Brevet 250 table, the Randonneur 500 table etc. The hardest part of that job would be starting it.
... imaginary rides (I was sitting on my couch thinking of riding, does that count?) in 2017?
No. But I could imagine that it was pretty much all of them.
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Your Audax UK Membership could be about to expire! As I write this, there is just over 2 hours before the end of 2017.
Also, now is the best time to alter your 'ACP club choice' if that sort of thing interests you, because later in the season that choice becomes locked and you can't change it. Find it in your 'My Details' page, near the top.
Basically, if you don't understand what this is, you can safely ignore it - but ACP attaches a single club to each rider they know about, in their records, and they don't expect this to change mid-season.
At this time (at the start of their season) you can choose between your designated club, or your designated CTC CUK club, or AUK itself, to be the club that ACP associates. Not all clubs have an 'ACP number' and you'll need to make a choice that does result in a number. For example AUK has a number obviously, and so does yacf and so do most of the popular club choices. The first time you ride (finish) a BRM, this club gets passed on to ACP for their records, and the choice becomes locked for the rest of the year.
If you do nothing, the first time you ride (finish) a BRM, AUK's software makes an intelligent choice between these three options and passes the resultant club on to ACP for their records, and that choice becomes locked for the rest of the year.
Either way, until you ride a BRM, the choice remains unlocked.
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Can you tell how many of the 7,000 members have ridden at least one of the following: BP, BR, BRM, Perms, DIY's ECE's, imaginary rides (I was sitting on my couch thinking of riding, does that count?) in 2017?
There were 7846 Audax members at 31 December 2017.
As of 30th September 2017:
there are 2211 riders (28%) listed at http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2017/points/ with 2 or more points
there are 2069 riders (26%) who have completed at least one AAA event, a Brevet 250, Brevet 500, Brevet 1000. I can't easily determine how many have ridden just one Brevet Populaire without AAA points.
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The figures ignore many members who don't ride (much) but as organisers and helpers make events happen.
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there are 2211 riders (28%) listed at http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2017/points/ with 2 or more points
there are 2069 riders (26%) who have completed at least one AAA event, a Brevet 250, Brevet 500, Brevet 1000. I can't easily determine how many have ridden just one Brevet Populaire without AAA points.
The unique combination of those lists is 2,635 members.
AFAICT, you'd have to scrape the event pages for at least all of the BPs (and perms) to get the remaining active members, and I can't be arsed.
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AFAICT, you'd have to scrape the event pages for at least all of the BPs (and perms) to get the remaining active members, and I can't be arsed.
And the last bit of that response is so correct. IMO the membership team do a fantastic job and can do without such whimsical requests without any reason being given other than what appears to be idle curiosity.
Wait for the FOI request when you can say ...............!
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I thought it a reasonably interesting question. It's unfortunate that we don't have this figure readily to hand but I'm hoping that our new website will make this available automatically.
But don't let this little diversion distract you from the business of renewing your Membership!
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Of interest, RUSA has about 3,500 current members - down from 8,000 in 2011 - and is declining about 7 - 10% a year. Of the current members, half of them did not ride a single randonnee in the year and the concern is that many will not renew for another year.
As a comparison, the numbers you quote for AUK seem to suggest that out of the nearly 8,000 members - and climbing - less than a third actually ride a randonnee, yet that does not appear to reflect a decrease in membership but rather the reverse. It would be an interesting study to determine why so many AUK members join the organisation but do not ride brevets, etc.
In America, the choices to ride are mostly brevets and permanents and not the variety such as DIY's ECE's etc. Maybe adding these to the calendar would help stem the decline in RUSA, however, the more interesting question is the apparent and significant disparity between the numbers of members versus numbers of riders in AUK.
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In France, ACP doesn't have a large country-wide membership. Randonneurs ride for their local clubs, which organise their own SR series—mostly only in PBP years.
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..... It would be an interesting study to determine why so many AUK members join the organisation but do not ride brevets ......
Perhaps they are content to support AUK, perhaps they just organise events, perhaps they used to ride events but no longer do so but still support AUK, perhaps they forgot to cancel an automatic renewal payment, perhaps they believe in altruism.
I remain a member of some organisations and are not active within the organisation, but hope my contribution helps the organisation.
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Not to mention people who are sporadically active, on account of other commitments, injury, or whatever, may decide not to let their membership lapse while they're not riding.
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..... It would be an interesting study to determine why so many AUK members join the organisation but do not ride brevets ......
Perhaps they are content to support AUK, perhaps they just organise events, perhaps they used to ride events but no longer do so but still support AUK, <........>, perhaps they believe in altruism.
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Me.
I've not ridden a calendar event for a number of years, and spectacularly failed on the last 100k DIY I attempted.
I still however feel I am "imbued with the spirit of long distance cycling" and hope I was some small help as a tiny cog in the LEL machine last year.
I also feel that AUK is a worthwhile organisation to support (I assume that my membership fee is of more value than the magazine costs).
And the magazine - it is truly a splendid publication (a small aberrant part of the last edition excepted).
Tapatalk puts this signature here, not me!
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I also feel that AUK is a worthwhile organisation to support (I assume that my membership fee is of more value than the magazine costs).
That's certainly not an assumption that should be made lightly. I'm pretty sure it's well in hand at the moment but there certainly have been times in the past where, due to magazine production and postal costs, AUK were making a loss on each member.
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I have not ridden my bike for 15 years or so.
I have just renewed my AUK membership for another five years, in which only a miracle could get me to ride again.
I am not aware that anybody objects to my continued but inert AUK membership.
I am 'imbued with the spirit of long-distane cycling'.
That is almost all.
You may also debate which AUK Members are 'a person of good character'.
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I am not aware that anybody objects to my continued but inert AUK membership.
You may also debate which AUK Members are 'a person of good character'.
Not only do they not object, but you are very welcome as an AUK member. I think you've got good eyesight too.
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+1 :thumbsup:
Not only do they not object, but you are very welcome as an AUK member. I think you've got good eyesight too.
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I am 'imbued with the spirit of long-distance cycling'.
Since I stopped running the Kernow & SW 600 I am seldom in Bude with the spirit of long-distance cycling (the night control was there).
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Perhaps you could arrange to be imbued next year?
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I thought it a reasonably interesting question. It's unfortunate that we don't have this figure readily to hand but I'm hoping that our new website will make this available automatically.
Oh, did you? What was the question again?
Can you tell how many of the 7,000 members have ridden at least one of the following: BP, BR, BRM, Perms, DIY's ECE's, imaginary rides (I was sitting on my couch thinking of riding, does that count?) in 2017?
For the 2017 season - and remember these figures are for finishers only,
and for AUK members only, non-members are a significant extra but not included here:
3400 members rode at least one event/permanent, a total of 19391 rides (there were also 10318 non-member rides, mostly Pops)
1189 rode only Populaires
2211 rode at least one counting ride (BR or RM)
1177 rode at least one RM ride.
2002 rode at least one 200km
977 " " 300km
703 " " 400km
29 " " 500km
469 " " 600km
11 " " 700-900km
63 " " 1000km
3 " " 1100-1300km
346 " " 1400km (nb 2017 an LEL year)
18 " " 1500km or longer
all the above include events and permanents, and ECEs integrated where appropriate.
186 members rode 404 ECEs between them (included in the above figures).
969 members rode 5977 Perms between them (included in the above figures).
962 members rode 4250 DIYs between them (included in the above line).
Those last 2 lines don't quite stack up, either 969 or 5977 looks wrong but I can't offhand spot what the problem is. :-\
[edit] oh I get it now, yes those figures are OK. :thumbsup:
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I am 'imbued with the spirit of long-distance cycling'.
Since I stopped running the Kernow & SW 600 I am seldom in Bude with the spirit of long-distance cycling (the night control was there).
;D ;D ;D
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I am not aware that anybody objects to my continued but inert AUK membership.
You may also debate which AUK Members are 'a person of good character'.
Not only do they not object, but you are very welcome as an AUK member. I think you've got good eyesight too.
I know how to manipulate font sizes on my computer...
I have good corrected visual acuity in my right eye.
My left eye, which was totally blind for some part of 1997, has patches of 6/9 acuity but a rather moth-eaten visual field.
;D
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I thought it a reasonably interesting question. It's unfortunate that we don't have this figure readily to hand but I'm hoping that our new website will make this available automatically.
Oh, did you? What was the question again?
Can you tell how many of the 7,000 members have ridden at least one of the following: BP, BR, BRM, Perms, DIY's ECE's, imaginary rides (I was sitting on my couch thinking of riding, does that count?) in 2017?
For the 2017 season - and remember these figures are for finishers only,
and for AUK members only, non-members are a significant extra but not included here:
3400 members rode at least one event/permanent, a total of 19391 rides (there were also 10318 non-member rides, mostly Pops)
1189 rode only Populaires
2211 rode at least one counting ride (BR or RM)
1177 rode at least one RM ride.
2002 rode at least one 200km
977 " " 300km
703 " " 400km
29 " " 500km
469 " " 600km
11 " " 700-900km
63 " " 1000km
3 " " 1100-1300km
346 " " 1400km (nb 2017 an LEL year)
18 " " 1500km or longer
all the above include events and permanents, and ECEs integrated where appropriate.
186 members rode 404 ECEs between them (included in the above figures).
969 members rode 5977 Perms between them (included in the above figures).
962 members rode 4250 DIYs between them (included in the above line).
Those last 2 lines don't quite stack up, either 969 or 5977 looks wrong but I can't offhand spot what the problem is. :-\
[edit] oh I get it now, yes those figures are OK. :thumbsup:
How about AUK members that volunteer. I've not ridden an event for a few years but I've run a Nat 400 Control and run Calendar controls at least once a year for a while now.
A comparison with the USA is risible. Anyone with a bit of intellect would realise that a country with 243k sq km space, 400k km of roads and 64m people is different to one with 9.800k sq km space, 4,000k km of roads and 323m people. That's before you consider cultural differences.
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Some comparisons between randonneuring organisations can be instructive and/or interesting.
It seems that AUK is still close to having half their members riding at least one event in a year. From memory, it has been around that level most of this century. AUK grows about 10% per year fairly consistently and seems to have got past a lull over a decade ago when the number of AUKs completing SRs was basically static for quite a few years. Now the number of SRs is increasing at least as fast as membership growth.
In comparison, Audax Oz has a higher percentage of riding members but membership rises and falls and is a somewhat smaller percentage of the national population.
RUSA has been shrinking for the last few years, which is unusual amongst randonneuring organisations. Most are static or growing, which matches the amount of 'sporty cycling' occuring in most countries.
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Actually, yes. Watching trends should be instructive, but most valuable for looking at the reasons behind the trends.
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The USA is big enough that randoneurring may be doing ok in one place but not have enough critical mass in another. Looking at the very public RUSA members list (https://rusa.org/cgi-bin/membersearch_GF.pl) it seems to be very much a West Coast thing with members being very thin in the ground most other places.
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It isn't just randonneuring which is on the decline in America, it is all levels of cycling. I can ride one of my perms out into the country and not see another cyclist during the 125+ miles.
At one time I would see many more riders on the country lanes but for a number of reasons cycling has lost its appeal. The only time we see any number of riders is during the 'MS150 season' when some 13,000 riders will take to the road in a group to ride some 150 miles raising money for the charity. Prior to the ride weekend we will see various clubs on training rides, but once that event is over, it is zip.
Maybe the inhospitable temperatures have some part in that, blistering high 90's during the summer and even today we had a hard freeze down to 27 degrees, so there are probably any number of excuses not to take the bike out.
I believe it was Keynes who suggested that a synergy exists where large numbers of people are present - he was talking about London as a driving force for economical wealth - and I can readily see that a crowded nation like Britain could develop a cohesive and impelling force among cyclists to meet and ride as a group.
Anyway, whatever are the complex causes and effects of specific declines - and wherever and whatever that would affect - randonneuring (and cycling in general) around here is a declining activity and a decline that is likely to continue. But it is good that AUK seems to be keeping the rando torch flame lit and to be well seen.
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The USA is big enough that randoneurring may be doing ok in one place but not have enough critical mass in another. Looking at the very public RUSA members list (https://rusa.org/cgi-bin/membersearch_GF.pl) it seems to be very much a West Coast thing with members being very thin in the ground most other places.
True, for some reason California in particular is well served and well attended for brevets possibly for being a heavily populated area in close proximity. Florida does fairly well, but in much of the rest of the country, not a lot going on. In Texas for example, for a vast country (many Texas like to think of themselves as being of a country as opposed to a state) of some 24 million people in 262,000 Sq. miles, for any brevet ride (usually no more than one - two rides per month per Regional Brevet area, there will be only a handful of riders.
Of the four 1200's run last year, 200 riders attended, this year there are seven 1200's announced so the opportunity to ride long brevets exists, but it will instructive to see how many turn up for them.
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The critical mass theory is interesting. You can see that in the Low countries where there's a lot of cross-border movement, creating the critical mass for some ride organisers who otherwise wouldn't have enough entries to make it interesting. The Hainaut province of Belgium has a lot of French riders while in the eastern provinces of the Netherlands sometimes as much as 50% of the participants are German randonneurs.
This doesn't reflect in the membership numbers though due to linguistical and official reasons.
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Anyway, back to Membership Renewal. Have you renewed your Audax UK Membership for 2018? If not, we won't be emailing you your AGM voting papers, so you'll have to come to Birmingham on 10th February. It could be worse; we could be holding the AGM in ... (insert your own punch line here)
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It's a lot quieter here, now all that RUSA stuff has gone elsewhere. Thanks to the shifters.
I've processed loads of renewals in the last couple of days, after emailing a reminder to everyone showing as "lapsed". That will enable me to let you have your AGM voting papers by email and thus save you going to the AGM in Birmingham in person - not that you won't be welcome to the AGM in person of course.
It might be worth checking that we've got a correct and up-to-date email address for you at www.aukweb.net > Members > MyDetails. I notice we have 38 obsolete email addresses from Orange, and these no longer work. I can't even email these people to ask them to make the change!
Obsolete domain names:
orange.net
orangehome.co.uk
wanadoo.co.uk
freeserve.co.uk
fsbusiness.co.uk
fslife.co.uk
fsmail.net
fsworld.co.uk
fsnet.co.uk