Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Freewheeling => Racing => Topic started by: Ian H on 02 July, 2010, 10:42:53 am
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Just thought I'd start the topic.
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Was it you who told me last year that a 24 was a bit less than a 25? ???
In spite of that, I've entered, again. :facepalm:
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You're not the only one to fall for that: Exeter Wheelers are fielding a team of four this year.
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Ive entered too.
I think I'm one of 5 Edinburgh RC riders and that theres probably going to be quite a good turnout from north of the border more generally - a dozen at least methinks.
I hear that Mr Peacock is planning to capture the suffering "fun" on film.
Graeme
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Ive entered too.
I think I'm one of 5 Edinburgh RC riders and that theres probably going to be quite a good turnout from north of the border more generally - a dozen at least methinks.
I hear that Mr Peacock is planning to capture the suffering "fun" on film.
Graeme
I haven't decided on that yet. I'm drawn towards filming the Mille Cymru, but that's a fairly expensive thing to do, it would depend on whether people wanted to pay for a DVD. Heather's going to be there and will shoot some stuff, but she's likely to be busy marshalling. Me doing both would clock up some serious miles.
Ian, any word on the form of the Exeter team, 100 mile and 12 hours?
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I think I'm one of 5 Edinburgh RC riders and that theres probably going to be quite a good turnout from north of the border more generally - a dozen at least methinks.
Including possibly three or four of us from Angus Bike Chain, the Most Glamorous Cycling Club in Angus. 8)
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I sent an entry off (a few days late :-[) so am hoping to ride.
Are you part of the Exeter Wheelers team Ian?
I'll be happy to break 400 miles this year and aiming for 410 (I'll try and schedule for 420 at the beginning) and I am planning on stopping briefly every 4 hours instead of my usual 6. Not as fit, strong or tough as I usualy am this year. Then again, I might go better than I expect. Only one way to find out.
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Steve, talking of schedules:
Now that you know the route and the "programme" of how/when you switch loops, do you take that all into account in your schedule? (cos I think the main loop is a little faster than the QB bit). Or do you just keep track of your average speed so far ... etc?
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I just keep an eye on my average speed but I don't worry about it. I don't want to flog myself trying to keep it up. I keep an eye on my current speed over a few hills to see how I'm going. Using the average speed to pace yourself means that by the time you know you're slowing down, it's probably too late to do anything about it.
The main thing is to pace myself though. If I'm unfit and slow, it's too late to do anything about it on the day. I just try to pace myself and keep an eye on my speed. If I slow down a lot, I'll stop for a feed and drink and see if my speed picks up again, unless I'm near the end and know that it's just tiredness, then I'll just try a bit harder if I can.
Once you've done about 12 hours, you have to slow down quite a bit for some time before it shows on your average, That's when I tend to relax a bit, especially if I'm going well. Just get through the night and lose as little as possible. Then when it gets light, I try and build up my average again, rememberring that the best way to do that is to keep riding a little bit faster all the time instead of blasting down the road for an hour then collapsing in a heap and losing all that you gain. As the average speed increases, i work out what I can achieve and set targets in my head which help me stay focussed instead of just rolling out the last few hours. On the other hand, I still try to look after myself so that I can keep going and stop to get food and drink if I think it will help. A few hours of hard effort when hungry or thirsty can take hours to recover from by riding slowly. Better to stop a few minutes and keep going fast all the time and feeling good (or at least not awful)
I know that 420 miles is about 18mph and that on a good day I can do 21mph for the first 100 miles. So as long as my average is between 19 and 21, I know I'm in with a chance of getting 410 miles. If my speed is 18, I'l not let it bother me early on and see if it improves. Either it will and I'll be in with a chance of 410, or it won't and I wouldn't have done it anyway.
I think I'll be trying to average 19mph for the first 100 (no doubt I'll try for 20 at first then realise that I'd better ease off if I'm going to keep it up, I'll have to wait and see) this year, but will have a better idea after riding the Seething 600 with my 24 hour TT set up.
I don't account for whichever circuit I'm riding. I prefer the Quina Brook, but it probably is slower.
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Ian, any word on the form of the Exeter team, 100 mile and 12 hours?
Two audax tourists, an ex-Karrimor pro, and me. Who might guess what we'll do.
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I've entered as another of the Scottish audaxers having a weekend down South. When does the start list get published? I'm reluctant to shell out on a hotel until I know I've got a ride.
I'll be the sole rider from West Lothian Clarion - any other Clarionista joining the fun?
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I've entered as another of the Scottish audaxers having a weekend down South. When does the start list get published? I'm reluctant to shell out on a hotel until I know I've got a ride.
I'll be the sole rider from West Lothian Clarion - any other Clarionista joining the fun?
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=47787 (http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=47787)
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I got a Travelodge room for £19 for the Sunday night and will book another room for the night before.
PM me if you want to share a room before and/or after the event to cut down costs.
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=47787 (http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=47787)
I'm John Warnock's minute man. :o
I'll see if I can hold him off before the first roundabout. I couldn't manage that when I was Gethin Butler's minute man in 2001. ;D
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I've persuaded/conned family to be my support crew, not sure how this will work out, as I did it unsupported two years ago. They have no experience of this and I've always treated my saddlebag as my 'support vehicle' on the big audaxing adventures, so a big 'known unknown'!
Also, I'm looking forward to being told off again by Jim Hopper, for enjoying the scenery. Ever the tourist.
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Ages range from 16 to 72. Very brave or foolish of a teenager to attempt such an event. Question: Would you sign a parental consent for a 16 yr old to ride a 24?
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Was it you who told me last year that a 24 was a bit less than a 25? ???
In spite of that, I've entered, again. :facepalm:
Will you be bringing any bridies with you?
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Ages range from 16 to 72. Very brave or foolish of a teenager to attempt such an event. Question: Would you sign a parental consent for a 16 yr old to ride a 24?
Tricky ...
teenagers have sailed round the world solo. But I guess not all could.
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Ages range from 16 to 72. Very brave or foolish of a teenager to attempt such an event. Question: Would you sign a parental consent for a 16 yr old to ride a 24?
Compare the names, clubs and ages of riders No. 22 and 28, and it would seem likely that his father is riding too. Is it all that much different from a 16 y.o. riding a 400 or 600 km audax? Perhaps Steve could reveal at what age he first tackled such audaxes?
One of the 70 y.o. entrants (me) will not be riding, thanks to a three-piece collar bone which was acquired on the Hot Trodd 400, and was plated and screwed back together just less than 3 weeks ago. Here's to 2011.
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..I don't want to flog myself trying to keep it up... unless I'm near the end and know that it's just tiredness, then I'll just try a bit harder if I can....
This is the last thread I expected to head towards NSFW.
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Ages range from 16 to 72. Very brave or foolish of a teenager to attempt such an event. Question: Would you sign a parental consent for a 16 yr old to ride a 24?
Compare the names, clubs and ages of riders No. 22 and 28, and it would seem likely that his father is riding too. Is it all that much different from a 16 y.o. riding a 400 or 600 km audax? Perhaps Steve could reveal at what age he first tackled such audaxes?
I guess the problem is that his father won't be riding with him (unless I'v misunderstood the rules!). But apart from that, yes, it should be safer than riding a 4/600, because he'll be on a known bit of tarmac almost all the time, not far from assistance.
p.s. bad luck Joe - maybe we can be ill together again in 2011!
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I believe that you can claim audax points for this ride. Is this correct? If so, how do I go about it please?
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I believe that you can claim audax points for this ride. Is this correct? If so, how do I go about it please?
Now...there was a thread about this somewhere. You could try searching in the cupboard marked Audax and sportives (or something like).
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It was discussed in a very very long discussion (the best kind of course) recently, but more usefully there is an entry in the AUDAX FAQ topic!
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Thanks guys - I found it. :thumbsup:
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I had a nightmare last night that I'd entered this.
Thank god I woke up.
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I had a nightmare last night that I'd entered this.
Thank god I woke up.
Are you sure you have?
I'm waiting for new tubs from Wiggle, having discovered a lack of rubber on the current set.
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I had a nightmare last night that I'd entered this.
Have a dream of a ride Jasmine!
(My nightmare's real too... I again haven't entered. Next year... )
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Shit shit shit. I really did enter it, they've sent me a little book and everything. And now other people know about it too so I'm going to have to ride it. Shit!
Best go find the bike and put some lights on it then. And get some train tickets.
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Shit shit shit. I really did enter it, they've sent me a little book and everything. And now other people know about it too so I'm going to have to ride it. Shit!
Best go find the bike and put some lights on it then. And get some train tickets.
Methinks you've been out secretly training - like the school swot who denies doing any revision.
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So? How was it for you?
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Brief summary:
Total training time - 2 weeks. No ride longer than 4 hours.
Longest distance ever ridden solo - 400 km last year.
Things in my favour: youth, enthusiasm and bull headedness
Things against me: lack of experience or training :hand:
Started ok. Got rained on. Kept a steady, but not fast early pace (17 mph ish). Stayed on the bike for first 7 hours until my support arrived. Got faster through the night section (kept 17.5 mph from 8pm until about 3am), got slower again. Stopped being able to eat by about 10am. Felt sick.
Got slower, got much much slower. Didn't get to the finishing circuit until about 11.30am. Rode very slowly. Knees hurting (for those who don't know, I have some fairly major issues from falling on ice in Jan). Back twinging.
Provisional distance 379.4 miles. Target was 300 miles. :D Bull headedness for the win!
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Good one :thumbsup:
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:thumbsup: Well done.
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Not a glorious ride for me. 395 ish with 20 minutes spent waiting for a wheel after a puncture. I didn't really ride wisely or well.
Well done to Jazza.
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Well done Jasmine and Ian both good rides if you ask me.
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Yep Well done both! :thumbsup:
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I got lapped (yes, lapped as in passed twice) on the finishing circuit by John Warnock in the 90 minutes I was there. This may have had something to do with my pitiful speed by then (about 11mph!), but he was still out on the tri-bars going like a train. Bastard.
I'm slightly concerned that Damon may have caught on camera what I said to my support as I finished. I'd had a fairly major sense of humour failure when I realised I had to ride up that hill (that isn't really a hill) to the last time check.
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John Warnock was lapping at 37 minutes, i.e. 22 mph after 24 hours on a circuit that is by no means flat, he averaged 21.5 mph over the whole 24 hours and lost about 12 minutes for a p*nct*r*, which happened at about 12 hours, the replacement wheel had no speedo magnet so he did the second half on feel.
Results.
Cycling Time Trials > Home
(http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=MoeMaZhZdmGPSYuQ8onYwr5VtT1MpzEe2fhLDMJ2raIcqkycJrweT-tOSegOH8lwqaoWoz-0e3kR_k3sh5PlIQ&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=55404&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)
In general I'd say that the weather was good but that the wind direction wasn't ideal for the best distances, the cluster of riders just below 400 miles, an obvious target, shows that it wasn't an ideal day, it favoured riders with a good aero position and a lot of concentration.
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I was 27th!
Happy dance. :D :D
I'm amazed at how cheery and encouraging quite a lot of the riders (and their support) are. Every member of the Navy team and their support crew would say something encouraging as they passed me. A lot of the other riders were encouraging as they passed me (there is a bit of a theme here about me getting overtaken a lot). It's really fantastic to be at an event where there is so much support for all the riders. I had several people come up to me during one of my stops to tell me they'd been following my progress all day. :thumbsup:
Edit: If anyone has any photos of me, can you point them to me please?
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Pleased with my 379 mls, as the target was 600k. Bike computer says it was 22 hrs 25 mins on the bike (almost an hour more than last year) and therefore an average riding speed of 16.9 mph.
Great support from Mrs Ernst (left over “LEL” ravioli – yum!!) and the Irish contingent at Prees not to mention lots of shouts of encouragement from Exit Stage Left, Heather, other riders, support crews (nice cowbell from RNRNCA) and total strangers. I especially liked the lady standing in the front garden of a house with a glass of rosé in Tilstock about 8pm. I told her I’d be back in 42 minutes but she never showed up.
I must have looked like sh*t at the finish as the timekeeper in the lay by on the A41 (it had to be that one) insisted on making me a cup of tea before I wobbled up the road.
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Anyone able to supply a link to a site giving details of results, etc?
<I cannae work out how TTs get any entries!! I think I'll just join the Masons instead, it seems to be easier to learn their secrets than to enter a TT or find out a result> :-X
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I was 27th!
Happy dance. :D :D
Excellent!
Edit: If anyone has any photos of me, can you point them to me please?
Elly took loads (400+ !) on Mike's camera and says she has some good ones of you.
Mike's preparing a disc or several. We can send files to anyone interested.
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Results are here.
Cycling Time Trials > Home
(http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=MoeMaZhZdmGPSYuQ8onYwr5VtT1MpzEe2fhLDMJ2raIcqkycJrweT-tOSegOH8lwqaoWoz-0e3kR_k3sh5PlIQ&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=55404&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)
More about starting time-trialling.
Begin Time Trialling
(http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Beginners/tabid/203/Default.aspx)
I've shifted pictures over to Gallery.
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Thanks very muchly :thumbsup:
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It was my first ever 24hr TT and I started with a nominal target of 350miles, something which for a first timer I thought would be fair but acheivable. I got a good start and went well into the night. A bacon butty and missing crew led to some lost time around midnight and an enforced 20 min sleep at 4am (As I was in serious danger of just falling off my bike) cost some more time.
I endured the artics on the Prees Island loop, really enjoyed the Quina Brook circuit and could not believe how poor the surface was on the finishing circuit.
The shouts of encouragement from onlookers throughtout the event were a real spur and made it a thoroughly enjoyable ride. I finished with a confirmed mileage if 353.534 miles - just beating my target. I'll be using this as a big training ride for PBP next year so would hope to do a little better.
I saw several yacf/audaxers at various points - Jim Hopper, Ian h, Jasmine, McNasty and Teethgrinder, indeed I saw McNasty narrowly avoid a nasty altercation with a car just after the start. He had to swerve right out into the road as the idiot car driver pulled out without looking!
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Well done to everyone here. From someone who is well chuffed with a 14 mph average over two hours, to do so for 24 as many of you did staggers me. Chapeau to each and every one.
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I was 27th!
You did a good ride. :thumbsup:
I think it was you that I had in my sights in the night for about 15 miles on the way to Telford and back before I caught you.
Ian H started fast and put 20-30 minutes into me at 100 miles, but seemed to lose it when it got dark.
I was happy with my ride. I was aiming for 410 but ended up with 404. Not good for me, but I know I haven't done very much this year. I started a bit too quick for me and had a rough patch at about 80 miles. Then I slowed down and recovered then rode at a better pace for me for the rest of the ride. I definitely noticed that I didn't have as much in my legs this year and it was a pretty uncomfortable ride this year, so I think 404 was a good ride for me this year.
Chatted with John Warnock before we started. He told me that I looked "Much less haggerred than usual" after I told him that I haven't done many miles this year. John hadn't done any open time trials this year and got the miles in instead. He rode the Bryan Chapman 600 and thought it was a very good ride.
Starting 3 minutes behind me, he caught me within less than 10 miles, as I predicted. I never thought he was going as well as he usualy did, Perhaps he paced himself better than usual?
On the finish circuit just before the Cock'O'Barton climb, I heard a very forcefull voice shout some encouragement to me. I didn't know where it was coming from but it was from behind. A few seconds later, John went past. He was as strong on the finish circuit as I am. Except that he is a much faster rider than me. Where I would be doing 18-20 on a good day, he was doing 22mph. I think that was the strongest finish I've ever seen from a >500 miler, except maybe Wilco.
I'm glad that he got over 500 miles because he's come very close a few times. I'd have never guessed that he'd have done 516 :o
Fantastic ride!
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John Warnock has some interesting foibles, he rode in shorts (not bibshorts) and a shirt, he stuck all his gel wrappers into his shorts legs to avoid litter, which is commendable, but gives him very sticky legs. The bike he rode was a mid 1990s Hotta monocoque carbon fibre machine. He had a good management style with his team, thanking them for performing their tasks even when under strain himself, an excellent advert for the way that the extreme pressure of these events reveals underlying character.
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I was 27th!
You did a good ride. :thumbsup:
I think it was you that I had in my sights in the night for about 15 miles on the way to Telford and back before I caught you.
Yes, it was. I saw you at the turn in Telford so I was surprised that I made it almost to Tern Hill before you caught me.
I think I managed to pace myself quite well in the end. I was a bit concerned about the number of people passing me early on, but I'd been told in no uncertain terms not to attempt to ride at 20mph for the first few hours, but to ride a steady 16-17 for as long as possible. I was apparently still riding at 16-17mph at 5am. Wheels fell off a bit after 11am though. I wasn't a happy bunny on the finishing circuit.
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It seems Rapha have got their hooks into this fine event:
Man doing it fixed & UC looking strong. on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/28hb6k)
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It seems Rapha have got their hooks into this fine event:
Man doing it fixed & UC looking strong. on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/28hb6k)
They never made it away from Prees Heath roundabout and the HQ on the finish circuit, but their riders made it into the top ten. They were talking of fielding a big team next year, but I suspect they will concentrate on the Sussex as it will be the National Champs and nearer to their London base.
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It seems Rapha have got their hooks into this fine event:
Man doing it fixed & UC looking strong. on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/28hb6k)
That man is dead! ;D
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It seems Rapha have got their hooks into this fine event:
Man doing it fixed & UC looking strong. on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/28hb6k)
That man is dead! ;D
What's this? Rapha sponsoring TG!
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It seems Rapha have got their hooks into this fine event:
Man doing it fixed & UC looking strong. on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/28hb6k)
That man is dead! ;D
What's this? Rapha sponsoring TG!
I doubt that Rapha would be pleased with that comment. Not with my wearing the AUK "Vomit" jersey. ;D
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This event scares me. I looked at the finish list a couple of years ago and saw 400s and 500s and thought "I could do 400".
Then I realised it was in miles.
Well done to all.
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Jasmine,the assistant timekeeper and recorder who does all the clever bits producing the result also took literally hundreds of photos.There will be a link to these on the result sheet and I will post it here when available.David will also be able to supply a CD of pics later,but we don't have time to deal with this at present as we are still reconciling some problems with the result where riders have been missed at checkpoints,complicated by at least one rider who spent 90 mins in the cafe at Prees in the night!
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I've been working my way through the near 2 hours of video, I said I'd do something for John Warnock, so I've done a preliminary edit of his ride, with an interview with Andy Wilkinson included, it's just under the 10 minute Youtube limit, so I've not got the presentation in, there will be other Youtube clips of other participants and I may do a DVD outlining good practice and conveying the feel of the event.
YouTube
- John Warnock, Mersey Roads 24, 2010
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW4o2ppA9Dw)
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...we are still reconciling some problems with the result where riders have been missed at checkpoints,complicated by at least one rider who spent 90 mins in the cafe at Prees in the night!
I have a horrible feeling I might know who that was.
Has no. 15 contacted you about a discrepancy?
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Yes she has and it looks like she was missed on the first pass of Prees from Quinabrook on Sunday,so she either spent about 45 mins in the cafe or will get an extra 12.621 miles.But of course I do know who spent a lot of time in the cafe!
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Started ok.
And obviously continued brilliantly! Congrats to you and everyone.
(Andy must be having quite a gentle time on the tandem after all!)
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Yes she has and it looks like she was missed on the first pass of Prees from Quinabrook on Sunday,so she either spent about 45 mins in the cafe or will get an extra 12.621 miles.But of course I do know who spent a lot of time in the cafe!
Thanks. I am thoroughly impressed by the efficiency of the organisation, and amazed that the time-keeper (Edwin) where I stopped could tell me roughly how far I managed.
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From the times at Prees on the last Quinabrook circuits we can calculate the distance covered to the start of the finishing circuit and thence at each timekeeper on each lap.We try to produce for each timekeeper a table of what each rider has done at that point on each lap,and then persuade someone to travel round the circuit and deliver it to the relevant timekeepers before the first rider's time runs out.It's always a bit of a rush.
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Indeed, many thanks to all the time-keepers and marshals, who always had an encouraging word, even at silly o'clock. It must be very difficult to keep track of all the riders at every turn, so it's amazing that the results can come out so quickly.
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Well done Jasmine et al.
I didn't have such a good Mersey: Losing my record – Mersey 24h July 2010 « The noctivagant cyclist (http://faffing.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/losing-my-record-mersey-24h-july-2010/)
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Audax points have been updated already on th'auk website.
That was quick.
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Looks like some amended results are up. Several riders have gained 3 miles (including the winner, but not Steve or Jasmine, I think - sorry! )
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Looks like some amended results are up. Several riders have gained 3 miles (including the winner, but not Steve or Jasmine, I think - sorry! )
Mike Rose should have moved up with 429 something. I recall that last year's online results were never updated, with the result that I'm a higher placing than I deserve.
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Embarrassingly enough, despite going even slower than last year, I'm fastest again in my age category. However, my clubmate, Mike, who did an impressive 429m, will be in the same category as I next year.