Super-Twat

[ian]

I'm somewhat surprised the defence in these cases wasn't simply 'show us the money?' It's either missing somewhere, or found elsewhere. If you've stolen substantial amounts of cash, there must be a shortfall, and those illicit proceeds must have demonstrably gone somewhere (banks, posh cars, houses). Perhaps they did try this and it fell on deaf ears, and people simply believed the infallibility of the computers. But still, to knowingly push forward prosecutions when you know they're based on bullshit is a special kind of twisted.

[ian]

The full judgement is coruscating. It's wasn't an oopsy, we believed the computer, they knew and it was purposeful, deliberately and systematically obfuscating and withholding evidence to gain convictions of people they knew were innocent.

I read one of Vennell's recent gigs was 'corporate responsibility.' You can't actually make this stuff up.

[jsabine]

people simply believed the infallibility of the computers.

I suspect that's how it was in the beginning.

And then after that, everybody else in the past must have been right, or the prosecutions simply wouldn't have happened.

[ian]

I speculate that there was some goal-chasing. The PO had a prosecutions team. They need to earn their supper, management declares, here's a target for prosecutions and, more importantly, successful prosecutions.

After that, it snowballs, once they'd rolled into this goldmine of prosecutorial success, they couldn't just fess up that the convictions they'd achieved were obtained incorrectly (and illegally), that they'd conspired to obfuscate and hide evidence to make them, so they kept at it. Even if wasn't immediately obvious something was wrong, at some point they must have looked at the numbers and realised. And they kept at it.

Frankly, if she didn't know (and I don't believe it for one second), she's guilty of criminal ignorance. Yet, she got a CBE and year-after-year bonuses.

[Beardy]

I speculate that there was some goal-chasing. The PO had a prosecutions team. They need to earn their supper, management declares, here's a target for prosecutions and, more importantly, successful prosecutions.

After that, it snowballs, once they'd rolled into this goldmine of prosecutorial success, they couldn't just fess up that the convictions they'd achieved were obtained incorrectly (and illegally), that they'd conspired to obfuscate and hide evidence to make them, so they kept at it. Even if wasn't immediately obvious something was wrong, at some point they must have looked at the numbers and realised. And they kept at it.

Frankly, if she didn't know (and I don't believe it for one second), she's guilty of criminal ignorance. Yet, she got a CBE and year-after-year bonuses.

As is to often the case in these situations it’s either incompetence, criminal negligence or want an ignorance. But because those that should be calling them out on this we’re instrumental in the appointment and so don’t want to be seen as incompetent themselves.

[citoyen]

Frankly, if she didn't know (and I don't believe it for one second), she's guilty of criminal ignorance. Yet, she got a CBE and year-after-year bonuses.

Everyone in senior management knew very well what was going on. They were all complicit.

They should all be facing long stretches.

[ian]

Sadly, they'll get to retire on a fat pension in exchange for little more than a mumbled 'sorry.'

[Hot Flatus]

Everyone knows of London Mayoral hopeful, Laurence Fox, but have you heard of the other no-hoper with a big campaign budget, Brian Rose?  Very, very strange man.

Here he is with a video that I doubt he wanted released. Sound on.

https://twitter.com/UkrainianAK/status/1387846342626750464?s=20

[Beardy]

Everyone knows of London Mayoral hopeful, Laurence Fox, but have you heard of the other no-hoper with a big campaign budget, Brian Rose?  Very, very strange man.

Here he is with a video that I doubt he wanted released. Sound on.

https://twitter.com/UkrainianAK/status/1387846342626750464?s=20

Did you really have to share that. I men really?

[Hot Flatus]

Everyone knows of London Mayoral hopeful, Laurence Fox, but have you heard of the other no-hoper with a big campaign budget, Brian Rose?  Very, very strange man.

Here he is with a video that I doubt he wanted released. Sound on.

https://twitter.com/UkrainianAK/status/1387846342626750464?s=20

Did you really have to share that. I men really?

I'm just taking that as a cry for more...

https://twitter.com/BrianBRose/status/1387803329770795009?s=20

[ravenbait]

I speculate that there was some goal-chasing. The PO had a prosecutions team. They need to earn their supper, management declares, here's a target for prosecutions and, more importantly, successful prosecutions.

After that, it snowballs, once they'd rolled into this goldmine of prosecutorial success, they couldn't just fess up that the convictions they'd achieved were obtained incorrectly (and illegally), that they'd conspired to obfuscate and hide evidence to make them, so they kept at it. Even if wasn't immediately obvious something was wrong, at some point they must have looked at the numbers and realised. And they kept at it.

Frankly, if she didn't know (and I don't believe it for one second), she's guilty of criminal ignorance. Yet, she got a CBE and year-after-year bonuses.

As someone who works in law enforcement (not the police), it amazes me every time I see stuff like this happen. There's no way we'd get away with something this incompetent (assuming Hanlon's Razor applies).

Sam

[ian]

Increasingly, I imagine, the CPS is finding itself under similar pressures to hit targets for prosecutions.

[Croft]

Everyone knows of London Mayoral hopeful, Laurence Fox, but have you heard of the other no-hoper with a big campaign budget, Brian Rose?  Very, very strange man.

Here he is with a video that I doubt he wanted released. Sound on.

https://twitter.com/UkrainianAK/status/1387846342626750464?s=20

And there's his boxing day special....WAR!

The London Mayoral Elections now provide a Super-Twat list in booklet form: https://www.londonelects.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-04/GLABooklet2021_0.pdf

Not sure where to even begin with this one, with highlights including the "culturally traditional SDP candidate" (yes, I  didn't realise either); the Brexit Party's call to action: "Vote GAMMONS for London Mayor"; conspiracy-finder-general Piers Corbyn; Brian "Straight-out-of-central-casting-fascist-demagog" Rose*; YACF favourite Laurence Fox; and a smattering of "I'm not a politician, why can't we all just tell the truth and be nice" candidates.

*Against some very stiff competition, I think the winning campaign video has to be Brian's "38 days to go...WAR!!!" (yes it really is 9 minutes of him boxing with his personal demons): https://twitter.com/BrianBRose/status/1376534611149328389

But it looks like his and a few others are just about generating influencer revenue:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/30/how-youtubers-turned-running-for-london-mayor-into-content

[Hot Flatus]

Everything about Brian Rose oozes sociopath

[Mr Larrington]

Vote Binface!

[Polar Bear]

Bin Voteface ...

[ian]

Everything about Brian Rose oozes sociopath

He's certainly got a touch of the Bateman to him.

[andrewc]

Have we had the pee tape yet ? 

[Hot Flatus]

Everything about Brian Rose oozes sociopath

He's certainly got a touch of the Bateman to him.

Just seen this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOQCUj3wyY

...the co-founder speaks about Brian Rose. 

So, yes, a sociopath.

[Socks]

The Duke of Devonshire seems to be making a bid for super twattery.  Despite claiming tax relief on the basis that he encourages and enable public access to his estates, cyclists don't seem to be welcome:

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/duke-bike-ban-and-taxman

[Canardly]

What's yours in mine and whats mine is my own.

[Redlight]

The Duke of Devonshire seems to be making a bid for super twattery.  Despite claiming tax relief on the basis that he encourages and enable public access to his estates, cyclists don't seem to be welcome:

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/duke-bike-ban-and-taxman

It's a common tax dodge of the landed gentry.  I recall a great Mark Steel programme some years ago in which he travelled around the country banging on the doors of various stately homes and asking to see (for example) paintings that had supposedly been given to the nation in lieu of taxes but then retained any their "owners"  on the condition that they were available to the public to view.  Not surprisingly, he didn't have a lot of success. 

[rogerzilla]

The Duke of Devonshire seems to be making a bid for super twattery.  Despite claiming tax relief on the basis that he encourages and enable public access to his estates, cyclists don't seem to be welcome:

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/duke-bike-ban-and-taxman

Earl Bathurst is ok with walkers and horse riders, but not those plebs on velocipedes. The ever-useless Google Maps, with all the knowledge of UK rights-of-way you'd expect from Mountain View, obviously tries to route cyclists that way.

[Deano]

The Duke of Devonshire seems to be making a bid for super twattery.  Despite claiming tax relief on the basis that he encourages and enable public access to his estates, cyclists don't seem to be welcome:

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/duke-bike-ban-and-taxman

I just hoyed my bike over the gate to get to Cav Pavilion last week. It makes me feel much more smug about riding around his private estates to get there

Of course, the family has history going back to the Kinder trespass. I'm surprised he hasn't lined the top of the gate with barbed wire.

[Ashaman42]

Isn't a cyclist pushing a bike a pedestrian anyway or does that only count on public roads?