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barakta

  • Bastard lovechild of Yomiko Readman and Johnny 5
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1100 on: 08 January, 2020, 10:55:00 pm »
Thanks Regulator, I am not sure I'd feel able to ask my GP for Our Path as I probably don't "need" it either on paper or in practice. I did a bit of research of my own, and basically spreadsheeted my food to see what it had in terms of calories, carbs, protein and fat amounts so I got an idea of what I could eat and in what quantities.

I've got very limited cooking ability so my recent diet has been a bit repetitive. On 1st December I started doing lower carb and tracking then full-Keto. I'm not 100% sure how long I've been in Ketosis (I'm not measuring tbh) but I am probably in ketosis now. It's been a bit boring, but also useful to look foods up and compare them (good old fashioned spreadsheets). Getting high enough fats and low enough protein can be difficult. Eggs and mushrooms are my new best friends along with avocados in the microsecond they're not too hard or post-ripe!  I'm largely lactose intolerant but can manage certain cheese (the lowest carbs as sugars ones) and lactofree milk/cream have lower carbs than the regular ones.

I reckon I weighed about 10.5 stone (67 Kg) at my heaviest last summer. As our home scales are shit (and haven't yet been replaced as planned) I think I've lost between 5 and 7Kg since 21st November which I'm happy with. I've definitely lost 3Kg between 22nd Dec and 6th Jan cos I used stepdad's allegedly calibrated aviation medical examiner's scales on both those dates...

Specialist hip physio was impressed with my weight loss but stressed he didn't want me to lose too much so I'll call it at 8.5 stone (about 54Kg) and relax the keto to see if I can maintain that weight on a lower carb diet but still allowed 'nice things' from time to time.

What doing this has taught me is that it can be done, I am less hungry on lower carbs and I know what lower-carb foods are easy to access and eat.

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1101 on: 09 January, 2020, 10:13:22 am »
Thanks Regulator, I am not sure I'd feel able to ask my GP for Our Path as I probably don't "need" it either on paper or in practice. I did a bit of research of my own, and basically spreadsheeted my food to see what it had in terms of calories, carbs, protein and fat amounts so I got an idea of what I could eat and in what quantities.

I've got very limited cooking ability so my recent diet has been a bit repetitive. On 1st December I started doing lower carb and tracking then full-Keto. I'm not 100% sure how long I've been in Ketosis (I'm not measuring tbh) but I am probably in ketosis now. It's been a bit boring, but also useful to look foods up and compare them (good old fashioned spreadsheets). Getting high enough fats and low enough protein can be difficult. Eggs and mushrooms are my new best friends along with avocados in the microsecond they're not too hard or post-ripe!  I'm largely lactose intolerant but can manage certain cheese (the lowest carbs as sugars ones) and lactofree milk/cream have lower carbs than the regular ones.

I reckon I weighed about 10.5 stone (67 Kg) at my heaviest last summer. As our home scales are shit (and haven't yet been replaced as planned) I think I've lost between 5 and 7Kg since 21st November which I'm happy with. I've definitely lost 3Kg between 22nd Dec and 6th Jan cos I used stepdad's allegedly calibrated aviation medical examiner's scales on both those dates...

Specialist hip physio was impressed with my weight loss but stressed he didn't want me to lose too much so I'll call it at 8.5 stone (about 54Kg) and relax the keto to see if I can maintain that weight on a lower carb diet but still allowed 'nice things' from time to time.

What doing this has taught me is that it can be done, I am less hungry on lower carbs and I know what lower-carb foods are easy to access and eat.
Congratulations.

barakta

  • Bastard lovechild of Yomiko Readman and Johnny 5
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1102 on: 09 January, 2020, 06:02:38 pm »
Thanks! Information is power I reckon.

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1103 on: 19 January, 2020, 01:05:17 pm »
I've no doubt that keto works.

Back in about 2002, I'd put a bunch of weight on, and in the end followed the "Atkins" plan for a couple of years and losing a serious amount of weight. I never weighed, but over a couple of years I dropped 5 UK dress sizes and felt much better.

From around 2005, various life things happened and I drifted away from keto. I suspect the keto regime had reset my system quite well, although my weight crept up it wasn't too bad. Then about 3 years ago I had a combination of an injury (fell over the cat and wrecked an ankle) and redundancy following an extremely stressful and difficult period in work. Upshot of which was I was no longer cycle commuting (in fact the ankle was so bad I struggled to walk more than 100 yds), was setting up my own business and had during the previous year grown to like a large glass of wine very evening to relax. You can see how this is heading- yup I quickly gained weight, way too much of it.

Three years on, I've given up the booze (only have a very occasional small glass of wine) and finally the business is starting to do OK. I am walking again on the dodgy ankle although it still aches in cold/damp weather. Weight has stabilised- but not reduced and I'd (re)developed no end of gut problems which put restrictions on how far I could walk if no loo available (that's really not funny). I was eating far, far too much in the way of crisps and sugary things again, and the bikes haven't been out for far too long.

So, as of 5 January I've gone back to low carb again. Basically starting with what was the "induction" phase of Atkins. As expected the first week was difficult, then during the second week improved rapidly. I've now got so much energy back...... appetite dropped....... and a couple of days ago I walked the furthest I've walked in a long while. I am actually peeing properly instead of retaining a lot of water and getting puffy ankles (yeah I know, puffy ankles not a good sign).

I'm quite pleased at how I've lost the sugar cravings quite quickly. Ironically I am eating more fibre and veg not less- I've rediscovered how much I like munching on a bag of raw spinach- and celeriac cooks much better in a pressure cooker.  My first lot of home-made sauerkraut has come out well (it's great with salami), I've re-discovered green olives (in small quantities) and my new Kefir plant has started producing something decent; once fermented with kefir grains there's not a lot of lactose left in milk, in fact the grains need putting in fresh milk at least every 48 hours as their food- lactose- runs out and otherwise they will die. I use organic full cream milk to make the kefir- once chilled it's refreshing. 

Other changes- well, I'd already planted up parts of the allotment to low-carb soft fruit- raspberries, currants, gooseberries, blackberries and strawberries. My rhubarb is doing well and it can be cordialised without sugar (sweetened with stevia if needed) as a refreshing summer drink. I have seeds for various greens to plant this summer, and will be putting in far fewer beans or peas.

The thing that is really noticable a couple of weeks in is how much more energy I have, how much better I feel- I've lost the brain-fog I had developed.  it was quite sudden- after about 10 days it was like a switch had been thrown and my brain woken up.

As for keeping it up- well if I'm totally honest with myself, I was feeling so bad that the change in how I feel and energy gain is so stark that so far motivation isn't an issue. Heading into summer will help as fresh greens and low-carb fruit are more available. I'm optimistic I can keep it up and get back to a healthy weight...... 

GC
   

Auntie Helen

  • 6 Wheels in Germany
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1104 on: 05 March, 2020, 10:31:47 am »
I got signed off work on Tuesday due to stress.

As the German health system is efficient, they did an EKG on me on Tuesday (all fine) and also took blood to do a full test to see if I had maybe thyroid problems that had caused me to lose the plot at work. I asked them to check my cholesterol because I had been doing Keto for over a year now.

Blood test results all really good, my total Cholesterol ratio was 2.2, so that is better than it was before I started Keto (I think it was about 5 then). No other issues displayed on the blood test either, and my blood pressure is very good too (110/80).

Keto still working well for me, even though I am now doing lazy keto (having up to 80g carbs per day and having cheat days quite often). I am maintaining my weight at what it was last June, despite being much laxer.
My blog on cycling in Germany and eating German cake – http://www.auntiehelen.co.uk


Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1105 on: 05 March, 2020, 08:18:35 pm »
Hope you get the stress sorted out!

I've been trying to relax it, but I pay for it with migraines. I have a cheat meal once or twice a week, which is fine, but pushing much over ~40g a day and the migraines return.
Weight is still coming off at a reasonable rate and I really need to go shopping for new trousers, but I don't want to buy new now and then have to buy again in 4 months time..although I'm really running out of options. I'm down to 2 pairs I can wear without looking too silly.

hellymedic

  • Just do it!
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1106 on: 05 March, 2020, 08:34:08 pm »
I'm on around 80g carbs a day and don't think of that as keto in any way but then I need little in energy or carbs.

'Transition' trousers (one size down when you can/should fit n-2) are comforting on 'bad' days but can lead you astray...

LMT

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1107 on: 06 March, 2020, 11:15:30 am »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

Auntie Helen

  • 6 Wheels in Germany
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1108 on: 06 March, 2020, 11:19:12 am »
Not at all. It shows that you can keep to it but also not inconvenience friends when eating with them without any significantly negative effects. We are happy to go back to eating keto at home, but have no problems when on holiday or with friends eating normally.

I don’t know what your problem is with keto LMT. I am a lifelong fattie but this way of eating suits me and helped me to shed 20kg last year - and keep it off. Would you rather I was obese but at least eating pasta, potatoes and bread regularly?
My blog on cycling in Germany and eating German cake – http://www.auntiehelen.co.uk


Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1109 on: 06 March, 2020, 11:51:09 am »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

Not sure about that.  Never tried keto but I've been on 4:3/5:2 fasting for several years.  Most weeks I stick to it but others - holidays, heavy work-loads, etc - I'll skip it altogether.  On non-fasting days I eat what I like.

My weight is remarkably stable at around a BMI of 20.
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1110 on: 06 March, 2020, 09:17:00 pm »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

Ok, call it an indulgence, then. Don't tell me you never occasionally eat stuff that you know isn't good for you?.
Look at it like booze. It's bad for you and it can ruin your next day, but you still drink it, right?


LMT

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1111 on: 06 March, 2020, 09:57:53 pm »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

Ok, call it an indulgence, then. Don't tell me you never occasionally eat stuff that you know isn't good for you?.
Look at it like booze. It's bad for you and it can ruin your next day, but you still drink it, right?

That's not my point, sure from time to time I eat junk food, but this is within my diet and lifestyle.

But if you are keto than you're keto, so why cheat with upping your carb intake?

LMT

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1112 on: 06 March, 2020, 09:59:37 pm »
Not at all. It shows that you can keep to it but also not inconvenience friends when eating with them without any significantly negative effects. We are happy to go back to eating keto at home, but have no problems when on holiday or with friends eating normally.

I don’t know what your problem is with keto LMT. I am a lifelong fattie but this way of eating suits me and helped me to shed 20kg last year - and keep it off. Would you rather I was obese but at least eating pasta, potatoes and bread regularly?

No not at all Helen. One should not read too much into weight loss. A class A drug habit can make you loss 20kg.

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1113 on: 06 March, 2020, 10:47:20 pm »


That's not my point, sure from time to time I eat junk food, but this is within my diet and lifestyle.
And the difference is?

But if you are keto than you're keto, so why cheat with upping your carb intake?

Because it's nice to have a croissant, htodog, milkshake, slice of pizza, etc occasionally...or even just some rice.
Sometimes it's just simply more convenient.
We had a lunch time screening yesterday, so the office provided pizza. Do I grab a slice of pizza or do I sit hungry for the next 2 hours?.



Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1114 on: 06 March, 2020, 10:53:34 pm »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

You may be right. Couldn't get through veganuary without a steak day most weeks;)

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1115 on: 06 March, 2020, 10:54:26 pm »
I tend to think of myself as omnivorous, and I do occasionally eat omnivores.

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1116 on: 06 March, 2020, 10:57:43 pm »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

You may be right. Couldn't get through veganuary without a steak day most weeks;)

OK, most days...

hellymedic

  • Just do it!
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1117 on: 06 March, 2020, 10:59:48 pm »
I tend to think of myself as omnivorous, and I do occasionally eat omnivores.

The 'What Did You Have For Supper?' thread is elsewhere in yacf...

Cudzoziemiec

  • Ride adventurously and stop for a brew.
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1118 on: 06 March, 2020, 11:21:06 pm »
Having to cheat on a lifestyle shows that in the long term its unsustainable.

You may be right. Couldn't get through veganuary without a steak day most weeks;)
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LMT

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1119 on: 06 March, 2020, 11:59:50 pm »


That's not my point, sure from time to time I eat junk food, but this is within my diet and lifestyle.
And the difference is?

But if you are keto than you're keto, so why cheat with upping your carb intake?

Because it's nice to have a croissant, htodog, milkshake, slice of pizza, etc occasionally...or even just some rice.
Sometimes it's just simply more convenient.
We had a lunch time screening yesterday, so the office provided pizza. Do I grab a slice of pizza or do I sit hungry for the next 2 hours?.

The difference is that my lifestyle excludes all animal products. And whilst I may have the odd bit of junk food I've never felt the need or want to go back and eat any animal products.

You on the other hand are on the keto diet? Yet eat more carbs on a 'cheat' day which to me looks like that something is wrong or that you are weak. Regarding the pizza, I thought you keto folk could go the whole day on one meal?

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1120 on: 07 March, 2020, 01:26:51 am »
Ok, just a troll, I get it. If you dislike keto so much, why are you posting here?

Auntie Helen

  • 6 Wheels in Germany
Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1121 on: 07 March, 2020, 06:21:14 am »
Yep, just a troll - suggesting I should be a drug addict to lose the weight rather than eating a healthy diet of fresh food.
My blog on cycling in Germany and eating German cake – http://www.auntiehelen.co.uk


Auntie Helen

  • 6 Wheels in Germany
My blog on cycling in Germany and eating German cake – http://www.auntiehelen.co.uk


LMT

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1123 on: 07 March, 2020, 07:52:34 am »
Ok, just a troll, I get it. If you dislike keto so much, why are you posting here?

In a nutshell, because I can.

If you wish to label me a troll then fine - I won't lose any sleep over it.

My point still stands though. Why increase a macro which, if you are getting all you need from a lifestyle, you should not be increasing.

And regarding the pizza, I was asking an honest question. Folks on here and elsewhere extol the virtues of a Keto diet, one of these being that you are never hungry or only need to eat one meal a day - yet you could not go 2 hours without food?

LMT

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1124 on: 07 March, 2020, 07:56:18 am »
Yep, just a troll - suggesting I should be a drug addict to lose the weight rather than eating a healthy diet of fresh food.

I don't recall suggesting you should be a drug addict.

What I do recall is addressing the issue where by a lot of people nowadays seem to associate weight loss as the number one priority when it comes to a  certain lifestyle. This is incorrect, it should be health, i.e someone with a class a drug habit could lose a lot of weight but won't necessarily be healthy.