Post by: Kim on 24 September, 2018, 02:46:36 pm
https://twitter.com/YorkRally/status/1044207896488292352
Post by: Butterfly on 24 September, 2018, 09:17:30 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 September, 2018, 09:19:08 pm
Post by: RichForrest on 24 September, 2018, 09:56:47 pm
Planning to take the week before off and ride down from the ALC meet at Beadnall Bay the previous weekend ;D
Post by: Canardly on 24 September, 2018, 09:57:10 pm
Post by: rachel t on 01 October, 2018, 09:52:56 am
Post by: Butterfly on 31 December, 2018, 07:50:10 pm
A reminder that today is the last chance for super early bird tickets.
Post by: cycleman on 27 May, 2019, 08:48:18 pm
Post by: Kim on 27 May, 2019, 08:59:29 pm
Just realised that while I'd booked train tickets, I hadn't actually booked any camping (due to general uncertainty over whether barkata was coming or not[1]). That could have been embarrassing.
[1] We decided not, on mobility grounds. It's a large site, and a lot of walking/cycling to get around, which is asking for trouble with the current state of her hips. Hoping that she gets that sorted by next year.
Post by: Arellcat on 03 June, 2019, 04:54:57 pm
Going by train again this year as I'm not hiring a car just so I can bring the velomobile. Unfortunately, impecunity means having to hang the bike on the way down, but it'll be ok as long as the Great British Public don't break my mirrors as they hurry on and off the train. I'm booked on a HST for the return run, and I have no idea what the bike space is like.
Post by: yorkie on 03 June, 2019, 11:07:08 pm
I'm booked on a HST for the return run, and I have no idea what the bike space is like.
Is it a Cross Country (XC) HST, or an LNER one?
As far as I can remember, XC HSTs have a van space which is empty of racks and such like contraptions - just lean the bike on the wall/lay it on the floor as preferred. I laid my bike on the floor on the basis that it saved it from falling over!
LNER HSTs have a "hang it from the front wheel" type of rack in the van space, with either a Velcro or adjustable snap-clip tie-down to stop the back wheel from swinging about.
Post by: Kim on 03 June, 2019, 11:24:24 pm
As far as I can remember, XC HSTs have a van space which is empty of racks and such like contraptions - just lean the bike on the wall/lay it on the floor as preferred. I laid my bike on the floor on the basis that it saved it from falling over!
On the odd occasion I've ended up on one of these, I've leaned my bike against the mesh wall and secured it via a combination of a Wilko light-duty ratchet strap (which solves all sorts of bikes-on-trains problems, as well as functioning as a lightweight racing workstand[1]) and the parking brake.
I generally avoid the HSTs, though. Having to find staff and run to the other end of the train is type-2 fun at Mordor Central.
[1] In combination with a suitable tree/gate/etc.
Post by: yorkie on 03 June, 2019, 11:30:58 pm
As far as I can remember, XC HSTs have a van space which is empty of racks and such like contraptions - just lean the bike on the wall/lay it on the floor as preferred. I laid my bike on the floor on the basis that it saved it from falling over!
On the odd occasion I've ended up on one of these, I've leaned my bike against the mesh wall and secured it via a combination of a Wilko light-duty ratchet strap (which solves all sorts of bikes-on-trains problems, as well as functioning as a lightweight racing workstand[1]) and the parking brake.
I generally avoid the HSTs, though. Having to find staff and run to the other end of the train is type-2 fun at Mordor Central.
[1] In combination with a suitable tree/gate/etc.
Thinking on, I used to use a hook-ended bungy cord for the same thing back in the day when I was resident in Mordor. I used to have to do the "sprint down the platform at Mordor Central because the train is the wrong way round *again*" far too often for my liking as well.
Post by: Kim on 03 June, 2019, 11:33:47 pm
Post by: yorkie on 03 June, 2019, 11:35:44 pm
Feel free to say hello, although not during a race please! I lose count of the number of laps and make the kids ride too far!
Post by: tatanab on 04 June, 2019, 08:41:28 am
Post by: Kim on 04 June, 2019, 11:18:47 am
Post by: Karla on 04 June, 2019, 11:27:17 am
Step 1: Go to the university
Step 2: Point yourself away from civilization and proceed into the outer wilderness, in the direction that looks most bleak and least inviting. Trek half a mile into said wilderness. You are now at Campus East.
Step 3: Continue in the direction that looks even more bleak and unforgiving than where you already are. Proceed for another half a mile until the roads start to decay, the wind bites through your clothes unabated and the whole place has a distinct air of Mad Max dystopia. You have now reached the sports village and the velodrome is on your right
Post by: andrewc on 04 June, 2019, 01:29:20 pm
the whole place has a distinct air of Mad Max dystopia.
Mad Max: Beyond Velodrome. Starring Kim as "Auntie Entity" :D
Post by: Kim on 04 June, 2019, 01:31:39 pm
the whole place has a distinct air of Mad Max dystopia.
Mad Max: Beyond Velodrome. Starring Kim as "Auntie Entity" :D
I'm going to need some bigger
Post by: yorkie on 04 June, 2019, 02:38:31 pm
It's easy.
Step 1: Go to the university
Step 2: Point yourself away from civilization and proceed into the outer wilderness, in the direction they looks most bleak and least inviting. Trek half a mile into said wilderness. You are now at Campus East.
Step 3: Continue in the direction that looks even more bleak and unforgiving than where you already are. Proceed for another half a mile until the roads start to decay, the wind bites through your clothes unabated and the whole place has a distinct air of Mad Max dystopia. You have now reached the sports village and the velodrome is on your right
Pretty much bang on, especially the bit about the decaying roads.
And the wind! Definitely the wind!
Post by: Luke on 08 June, 2019, 11:14:01 am
Post by: Kim on 10 June, 2019, 03:59:56 pm
- It's a race.
- ...But nobody takes things too seriously, and there are plenty of slower riders (often on Mildly Inappropriate Bikes[1]) doing it purely for fun.
- Spectators encouraged. If you've not witnessed the top end of the fully-faired class rumbling round the track at speeds in excess of R17, it's well worth it. I expect there to be a decent turnout of upright trikes, for added entertainment. The area's quite exposed, so bring a brolly or similar if it's looking pish or scorchio, and something to sit on might be a good idea.
- The adjacent sports building has changing rooms, loos and a cafe (https://www.york-sport.com/york-sport-and-you/cafe/).
- You can ride anything that's:
a) Human-powered
b) Has a brake
c) No sticky-out sharp bits (chiefly unguarded chainrings on SWB/Tadpole recumbents).
(More detail here. (http://www.bhpc.org.uk/how-to-race-with-bhpc.aspx)) - Magic hats compulsory, yes even for those in velomobiles. It's an in-sewer-ants thing. (Gloves, elbow pads and mirrors are not compulsory, but considered a Good Idea when racing recumbents.)
- 10-16 year olds can compete as Juniors. IIRC they need a parent/guardian to sign them in or something.
- Races are usually split into a Fast Group and a Slow Group. This doesn't mean anything in competition terms (the timings all get aggregated), but limits the speed/experience differential on the track for safety. The fast race is usually comprised of streamliners, velomobiles, faster riders on part-faired/un-faired recumbents, and the one person who knows how to set up the timing computer[2]. Upwrongs, newbies, juniors and most of the unfaired 'bents go in the slow group by default.
- It's going to be a 40mins+1lap criterium[3] race on the cycle circuit, followed by a 30min+1lap criterium and a 1-lap time trial[4] on the velodrome. If the velodrome looks scary (because you've got more than two wheels or are unlikely to reach the 18mph or so needed to be stable on the banking), you're allowed to sit that one out.
- Sign-on from 09:30. £7 for BHPC members, £10 for non-members. Look for someone with a tablet computer and a moneybox (last time they were hiding in the portacabin), *not* the people who look like they know what they're doing setting up timing equipment on the track. If in doubt, ask.
- Actual racing starts at 10:30 at the track, and 13:00 at the velodrome (which is within easy waddling-in-road-cleats distance).
- Allow a bit of extra time for getting lost on the way there. Follow Karla's advice upthread, don't trust your sat-nav to know about the cycleable busway through campus.
- Points mean, erm, complicated maths. Results will be uploaded to the BHPC website (http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Results/2019.aspx) when the relevant people get round to processing the data, which may take a while if they're loitering within tent. Ladies and Juniors will do well by simply turning up.
Official discussion here: http://forum.bhpc.org.uk/2019-round-5-york-sunday-23rd-june_topic6916.html
[1] Bonus points for anything bought for less than 50 quid at the rally auction on the Saturday (http://forum.bhpc.org.uk/the-york-rally-22nd-23rd-june_topic6905_post65285.html#65285).
[2] O:-)
[3] Translation for non-sportsists: Go as fast as you can, and when someone rings a bell, it's nearly over so go a bit faster.
[4] Translation for non-sportsists: Go as fast as you can for one lap, with nobody else on the track. You probably get a run-up. Bonus points for endurance waiting-for-your-turn in fully-enclosed machines if the weather's hot.
Post by: yorkie on 10 June, 2019, 07:23:10 pm
Be careful using Sat-Nav, as you can wind up on the wrong side of the circuit on an unmade road - today's school visit saw one minibus do exactly that.
If driving, it's probably best to head for the Grimston Bar Park & Ride on the A1079 and follow the signs for the Sport Village from there.
I'm probably going to be around from about 12:30 on the Sunday, so if you have any problems come and find me. I'll be the one in a bright red York Sport polo shirt (unless it's raining, in which case I shall be wearing a black York Sport waterproof waterproof!)
Your friendly York Sport Cycling Attendant!
(1) It's a brick paved road, laid in an area with a very high water table and around 8 buses an hour running along it! I'm amazed that it has lasted this long, to be honest.
Post by: Kim on 10 June, 2019, 07:32:26 pm
Be careful using Sat-Nav, as you can wind up on the wrong side of the circuit on an unmade road - today's school visit saw one minibus do exactly that.
Yes, Google Maps suggests that you can access the site from Low Lane. You can't, there's a cycle circuit in the way (see the satellite view for enlightenment).
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It's a brick paved road, laid in an area with a very high water table and around 8 buses an hour running along it! I'm amazed that it has lasted this long, to be honest.
Surely the whole point in such a surface, apart from sending a subtle message to car drivers, is that it can be lifted and re-laid when the ground shifts without having to wastefully replace all the material. I believe those clever cloggies have a special machine for doing it.
Of course, this is BRITAIN, and proper maintenance is unpatriotic, or something. At best they probably have a University-of-Kent-style man-with-a-wheelbarrow-full-of-sand, doomed to a sisyphean task of roaming the footpaths in search of wobbly slabs.
Post by: yorkie on 10 June, 2019, 07:40:25 pm
It's a brick paved road, laid in an area with a very high water table and around 8 buses an hour running along it! I'm amazed that it has lasted this long, to be honest.
Surely the whole point in such a surface, apart from sending a subtle message to car drivers, is that it can be lifted and re-laid when the ground shifts without having to wastefully replace all the material. I believe those clever cloggies have a special machine for doing it.
Of course, this is BRITAIN, and proper maintenance is unpatriotic, or something.
Maintenance? What's that? I don't think that part of the road has been touched since it was laid roughly 10 years ago! They'd have to deal with York's (in)famous ASBO Geese to get to it!
The bit further down, which is single track, so has buses going both ways in the same wheel tracks, was replaced with tarmac a couple of years ago. By that point, the wheel tracks had subsided by so much you could get pedal strike on the non-subsided centre of the road! Kids from the cycling club referred to it as "The Arenberg Trench" (see Paris - Roubaix passim).
Post by: Kim on 10 June, 2019, 07:43:28 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 10 June, 2019, 07:53:42 pm
Post by: yorkie on 10 June, 2019, 07:57:03 pm
My employer often uses block paving for port pavements, supporting 100t axle load reachstackers and hugely channelised traffic (equivalent to dozens of HGVs an hour). Designed and constructed properly and with a smidgeon of maintenance, block paving will perform well through its 20 year design life.
That's the thing, I'm pretty sure it wasn't designed and constructed properly. The first problems started within a couple of years of opening! Build cheap, build twice - to paraphrase the old saying!
Post by: yorkie on 11 June, 2019, 10:23:43 am
I think there is a diversion round it, I shall try to remember to go in that way tomorrow and check.
What is left of my memory remembered to go that way on the way to work today (take that Gabapentin!!
) - the busway is indeed blocked off with some cones and barriers, but in true University of York fashion - nay, tradition - there is no actual signed diversion. From that point, just keep heading East on the vaguely yellow tarmac "Campus Cycleway" and take the 45° fork to the right. There is a building directly in front of you, go round that building (The Ron Cooke Hub) and head for the bus stops on the other side of it. This will drop you back on to the busway, with the circuit and velodrome in the distance. Of course, the busway could be fixed by then...
...and we will have developed porcine aviation!!
Post by: Arellcat on 12 June, 2019, 02:34:19 pm
Going by train again this year as I'm not hiring a car just so I can bring the velomobile.
Since my P-38 is currently broken, change of plan: I'll join you on the lightweight pitches at the racecourse.
Post by: Kim on 19 June, 2019, 12:05:11 pm
Post by: cycleman on 19 June, 2019, 07:42:25 pm
Post by: Kim on 19 June, 2019, 08:41:21 pm
Post by: yorkie on 19 June, 2019, 09:20:06 pm
This link takes you to their bike & large luggage policy:
https://www.grandcentralrail.com/travelling-with-gc/on-board/cyclists-luggage/
Sorry about the long URL, but I'm on my phone!
There's probably a link to seating plans and ticket sales somewhere on there as well.
Post by: cycleman on 19 June, 2019, 10:04:10 pm
Post by: yorkie on 19 June, 2019, 10:17:22 pm
Up to a couple of days ago, I would have added that getting Hull Trains to Selby and riding the last 14 miles to York was another option. Sadly, given that Hull Trains currently have 0 (yes, zero!!) working class 180s out of 4 and only one cobbled together HST to cover 3 diagrams, I would advise against trying to travel with them for the foreseeable future!
Post by: cycleman on 20 June, 2019, 04:16:32 pm
Post by: Kim on 21 June, 2019, 02:28:42 pm
Post by: CrinklyLion on 21 June, 2019, 04:40:29 pm
I might nip down to say hello later though :)
Post by: andrewc on 21 June, 2019, 06:20:52 pm
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on 21 June, 2019, 08:46:33 pm
Post by: Canardly on 21 June, 2019, 09:38:32 pm
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 June, 2019, 07:22:17 am
Post by: Butterfly on 23 June, 2019, 09:42:38 am
Post by: Kim on 23 June, 2019, 04:51:01 pm
Post by: yorkie on 23 June, 2019, 05:18:18 pm
Finished the BHPC rushing about. My lungs hate me. Deano and Karla appeared to cheer me on for different bits, and may have somewhat different impressions of my racing performance as a result...I didn't see Deano, but I did see Karla at York Sport. It was also nice to meet you fleetingly, hope the flying lap on the 2-up 4-wheel contraptionamajig didn't harm your BHPC efforts! ;)
I'm not sure, but I may have seen cycleman at York Sport as well - came along on the ride to the velodrome, on an elec-assist Trice?
Post by: Kim on 23 June, 2019, 06:45:01 pm
Post by: Socks on 23 June, 2019, 07:48:26 pm
Post by: RichForrest on 23 June, 2019, 07:57:53 pm
Went up this time with no bikes as weather and car cycle rack issues meant not taking one camping over the previous week.
Came home with one though after buying an immaculate 1981 Dawes Shadow for the grand price of £25 :o
Need to find room in the shed now! ;D
Post by: yorkie on 23 June, 2019, 08:50:58 pm
Probably not cycleman, his trike was hors de combat this morning due to a combination of BB problems and total failure of the electric assist system.Ah, no problem. Hope he's managed to get it sorted!
Post by: Kim on 24 June, 2019, 03:27:14 pm
Probably not cycleman, his trike was hors de combat this morning due to a combination of BB problems and total failure of the electric assist system.Ah, no problem. Hope he's managed to get it sorted!
Last seen heading Torslanda-wards in Red Ted. Butterfly deserves a medal! :thumbsup:
I was one of the last off the field this morning. There was some heavy rain last night (which I mostly slept through on account of Piriton[1] and general exhaustion) but this morning was warm and damp, without being muddy.
Kudos to all involved for a much healthier-looking Rally this year, with well-populated camping fields and various stalls[2]. Especially notable were the showers, which were plumbed in to a sufficiency of water and - crucially - mains electricity, allowing them to run all day with a corresponding reduction in queueueues.
(http://www.ductilebiscuit.net/gallery_albums/york2019/2019_06_21_23_03_44.sized.jpg)
The sky on Friday night.
(http://www.ductilebiscuit.net/gallery_albums/york2019/2019_06_23_10_28_31.sized.jpg)
Silly bike racing (no decent pictures as it was every man, woman and indeed dog[3] on the track at once for the race).
[1] My shins were suffering from an allergic reaction to the mistake in the 50k audax route, which involved Comedy Off-Roading through Grass Which Is Taller Than Your Bike.
[2] The BHPC were there, but the marquee and assorted materials weren't, due to a last-minute family emergency. We parked assorted silly bikes outside the ICE stand and loitered.
[3] A rogue Jack Russel broke through the fence and decided to chase Slash. I discovered this as it was doing the cyclepath dither in front of me on approach to a bend, while something red and rumbly with less than optimal vision approached rapidly from behind...
Post by: Kim on 25 June, 2019, 08:33:01 pm
PSA for anyone interested in the BHPCWacky RacesMad Max Beyond Velodrome event on the Sunday...
Provisional rushing-about results are now up: http://forum.bhpc.org.uk/2019-round-5-york-sunday-23rd-june_topic6916_post65469.html#65469
Kudos in particular to:
- James for doing the whole thing on a bike he'd learned to ride the day before, in trainers.
- Sunday Trains™ for greatly lowering David L'Hostis' average speed.
- Slash for defying gravity on the velodrome. I swear he was almost horizontal.
- Various Jeffs/Geoffs for ensuring the first race failed the Cycling Bechdel Test.
- Everyone involved in the retro analogue timing process.
(The Jack Russel was presumably disqualified for not wearing a helmet.)
Post by: Arellcat on 25 June, 2019, 11:35:24 pm
Thanks to cycleman for the chat on Sunday and listening to me vent for a time. :-[ I wasn't feeling very sociable all weekend because of previous non-bike related STUFF. And despite my peaked cap and sunglasses, I got too much sunshine: if I'd known, I'd've brought my red iridium lens and not the blue. The inside of my tent reached 40.5ºC on Saturday afternoon. :o
Also on Sunday while Kim, Slash, Jeff, Lee et al were navigating the York racing circuit at ludicrous speed, I was navigating the Ouse cycle path at a very unludicrous speed, in search of historic tramway remains and a decent lunch (the venue for which TJ and Butterfly had simultaneously chosen). Later I went in search of my hostel for the night, which I'd booked on account of
- impending terrible weatheryness
- being a scaredy cat
- having a down sleeping bag sans drybag
- it always raining when I go on a holiday anyway.
* Velovision Legacy ride, perhaps. I didn't see Peter Eland at all this weekend; I don't think Howard came to York this year; and I haven't heard any recent news from poor Simon Webb.
† Also not vegetarian.
¥ Not actually waterproof.
Post by: Kim on 26 June, 2019, 01:01:15 am
This was my 9th York Rally/Cycle Show/Rally, and it finally dawned on me that it's more about meeting people than buying things, or in my case, not buying anything.
Agreed. I don't think I got round to seeing all the trade stalls this year. I missed the usually excellent[1] Spa Cycles, for one.
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This year I managed to avoid the elderly Welsh guy with the extremely wiry grey hair and impenetrably strong accent, helped mainly I assume by my being in disguise, having not brought the velomobile.
That's one of the defining features of York - so many people you know and chat to every year who you somehow never get round to knowing the names of. (Being a woman with an unusual bike never helps in this regard, as everyone seems to know who you are already.)
It was good to see cycleman at York for the first time in ages, even if he did use up all his luck by getting the trike on the train on the way up. (Fingers crossed the repairs aren't too expensive!) Glad you got to go on one of the social rides before the gremlins set in. Also nice that Butterfly+Nye were able to ride up (albeit with a bit of Sustrans cyclocross).
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despite my peaked cap and sunglasses, I got too much sunshine: if I'd known, I'd've brought my red iridium lens and not the blue. The inside of my tent reached 40.5ºC on Saturday afternoon. :o
I'm fortunate in that I got my annual sunburn over and done with at Easter, even if I did make up for it with allergies. The Goths In Hot Weather Tent (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=37171.msg2305363#msg2305363) was on form - I've concluded that it's a pretty much ideal York Rally tent: Stable in the wind, cool in the heat[2], dark in the morning and (important new discovery) just enough headroom to sit in a Helinox inside when it's chucking it down. I'll forgive it a bit of getting dripped on when opening the door, and the fact that I temporarily lost several BLACK objects to the inner when packing it up. The spare porch makes a good binbag storage facility for overnight rustle-minimisation.
I noticed some of the motor campers were using big tents with similar technology.
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My bike more or less fitted into the dangly space on the LNER HST, which at least was better than the XC Voyager's equivalent on the way down. I arrived at Waverley to rain and cold, so everything is back to normal.
Dry in Middle earth, but the wind had followed me home, just to make the overloaded Baron a bit more exciting. Interesting to see your Rans in the flesh, I don't think I've met one before. Good luck sorting that fork out for the P38, that was rotten luck.
[1] Not that I tend to buy things from them at the rally, but having used them extensively online, it's nice to put faces to names, thank them for existing, and see some of the Sensible Bikes. The part of me that forgets about saddles tends to lust after their titanium tourers.
[2] This is much more effective if there's a little bit of wind. And, well, Knavesmire. I had some chocolate in there on Saturday and it didn't even go bendy. Some years ago I became rather unwell after dozing off in my Vango Banshee in similar conditions...
Post by: tatanab on 26 June, 2019, 06:24:52 am
[3] A rogue Jack Russel broke through the fence and decided to chase Slash.Did you see the stoat and rabbit cross the circuit at about 45 minutes? This was about 50 yards from the top bend. I saw a stoat run across the track, which was nice, but what was amazing was that it was being chased by a rabbit. I did not see, but a rider a little behind me said that the rabbit caught the stoat and had it by the scruff of the neck.
Post by: cycleman on 26 June, 2019, 08:16:04 am
I used to work in a couple of boat yards in the past and am interested in the tramways, canals and railways.
Post by: cycleman on 26 June, 2019, 08:33:54 am
Despite my problems I enjoyed York and the ride to beningbrough hall. The train back home from Manchester was comfortable and I got home about 9.00 pm :)
Post by: Kim on 26 June, 2019, 12:00:13 pm
[3] A rogue Jack Russel broke through the fence and decided to chase Slash.Did you see the stoat and rabbit cross the circuit at about 45 minutes? This was about 50 yards from the top bend. I saw a stoat run across the track, which was nice, but what was amazing was that it was being chased by a rabbit. I did not see, but a rider a little behind me said that the rabbit caught the stoat and had it by the scruff of the neck.
Missed that entirely. Wandering dogs are one thing, but killer rabbits are a bit much! We'll have to start carrying Holy Hand Grenades...
Post by: yorkie on 26 June, 2019, 01:52:13 pm
[3] A rogue Jack Russel broke through the fence and decided to chase Slash.Did you see the stoat and rabbit cross the circuit at about 45 minutes? This was about 50 yards from the top bend. I saw a stoat run across the track, which was nice, but what was amazing was that it was being chased by a rabbit. I did not see, but a rider a little behind me said that the rabbit caught the stoat and had it by the scruff of the neck.
Hmm, it's usually the other way around. Good to see that my pep talk to the rabbits has done some good!! ;) :P :-D
Post by: campagman on 26 June, 2019, 07:58:59 pm
Post by: Arellcat on 26 June, 2019, 09:52:48 pm
Hi arellcat , it was great to meet and talk with you :). Did you find any tramway remains?
I did, but you'd miss it if you stayed only on the bike path. I spotted two bollards placed suspiciously close to a brick wall, which implied vehicular movement in days gone by. Turned out the remains of the tramway are quite exposed:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48132597622_0a501dfdb7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkj9mN)
On the trail of rails (https://flic.kr/p/2gkj9mN) by beqi (https://www.flickr.com/photos/beqi/), on Flickr
It belonged to the Royal Army Ordnance Corps, and runs directly to the collection of brick buildings to the east, such as that in which you now find Cycle Heaven, that then formed the ordnance depôt.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 June, 2019, 10:35:04 pm
Post by: cycleman on 27 June, 2019, 06:48:38 am
Post by: Arellcat on 27 June, 2019, 02:20:54 pm
It looks like a narrow gauge. Or is that just the photo?
It was narrow; from memory the gauge was about 1 ft 6 in.