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Title: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 02 July, 2016, 04:08:39 pm
OOOH THAT WAS REALLY GOOD!!!!!
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Post by: Ruthie on 02 July, 2016, 04:09:04 pm
Is it really possible this is the first thread on this topic  ???
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Post by: Ruthie on 02 July, 2016, 04:18:14 pm
Awww Cav with his little girl, he's such a big softie!
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Post by: woollypigs on 02 July, 2016, 04:25:19 pm
Now that was nice, now he can go home and relax before the long flight to Rio :)
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Post by: T42 on 02 July, 2016, 04:26:17 pm
Nah, he needs two more now.
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Post by: Andrew on 02 July, 2016, 04:59:14 pm
Could have done without seeing Contador's pubes though :-\
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Post by: Wowbagger on 02 July, 2016, 05:14:21 pm
Why weren't all those people there when Kim, Canardly and I cycled along those roads earlier in the month?
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Post by: LEE on 02 July, 2016, 06:09:49 pm
"Mark Cavendish will wear the yellow jersey for the first time in his career"

Does anyone deserve it more?

Wow...We tried our best to get there to cheer you into Utah beach but missed you by a day.
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Post by: woollypigs on 02 July, 2016, 06:31:25 pm
http://video.eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de-france/2016/tour-de-france-2016-mark-cavendish-stuns-kittel-and-griepel-in-stunning-opening-stage-win_vid814077/video.shtml
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Post by: Karla on 02 July, 2016, 08:11:35 pm
Excellent.  I have Kittel as my fantasy sprinter, but I've never been happier to be beaten  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 July, 2016, 08:14:10 pm
I'm watching the highlights, due to being terminally feeble-minded and forgetting all about the live coverage this afternoon.  Am I imagining it, or have Liggett and Sherwen really been pensioned off?
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Post by: Canardly on 02 July, 2016, 08:30:20 pm
A shipwreck??  Thats a bloody Mulberry that is........ Well done Cav!
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Post by: tornandfrayed on 02 July, 2016, 08:35:24 pm
It's quite interesting for those of us signed up to do Stephane's d day Audax in a couple of weeks as the tour's first two stages are covering much of the same area. It's a chance to do a bit of recce of the route.
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Post by: StuAff on 02 July, 2016, 08:54:18 pm
I'm watching the highlights, due to being terminally feeble-minded and forgetting all about the live coverage this afternoon.  Am I imagining it, or have Liggett and Sherwen really been pensioned off?
They're still going, but ITV got Ned and David to do the coverage instead of paying for the deadly duo's syndicated feed. I couldn't believe it either, but finally....... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbs:up: (....)
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 July, 2016, 11:06:03 pm
Part of me will miss Bluntman & Chronic Phil & Paul, but only a little bit.
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Post by: spesh on 02 July, 2016, 11:18:12 pm
Part of me will miss Bluntman & Chronic Phil & Paul, but only a little bit.

How powerful an electron microscope will I need to be able to see said bit?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 July, 2016, 01:43:10 pm
Well, there'll be no thread this year taking the piss out of suitcases, twin-turbo V8 diesels, how many times rider X has been time-trial champion of country Y and how many different ways there are to pronounce "Thomas Voeckler".
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 July, 2016, 06:41:44 pm
David "Jirasek Lighthouses" Millar has made a noble attempt to fill the suitcase shoes of Sherwen with his drivel about the cliffs of the Nez de Jobourg which, Dave, are not even the highest in France, never mind Europe.
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Post by: eck on 03 July, 2016, 07:13:34 pm
David "Jirasek Lighthouses" Millar has made a noble attempt to fill the suitcase shoes of Sherwen with his drivel about the cliffs of the Nez de Jobourg which, Dave, are not even the highest in France, never mind Europe.
Ah, well, give the boy David a break. I think that (mis)information must have been given out by the local tourist folk, always so faithfully quoted by Sherwen.   While struggling to stay awake during Eurosport's coverage, ISTR hearing that said cliffs were indeed the highest in mainland Europe.
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Post by: Paul on 03 July, 2016, 09:03:02 pm
I'm watching the highlights, due to being terminally feeble-minded and forgetting all about the live coverage this afternoon.  Am I imagining it, or have Liggett and Sherwen really been pensioned off?
They're still going, but ITV got Ned and David to do the coverage instead of paying for the deadly duo's syndicated feed. I couldn't believe it either, but finally....... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbs:up: (....)

I too am getting over the shock fairly quickly. I even noted some silent time. No harm there - it's not radio.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 July, 2016, 09:23:57 pm
Ned Boulting is on official notice, enforceable by BEAR, not to mention "big engines" again.
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Post by: Plug1n on 03 July, 2016, 09:34:55 pm
fill the suitcase shoes of Sherwen

Liggett and Sherwen are still doing their thing for NBC Sports.  The feed is available on satellite if you are really keen.

Haven't noticed any real bloopers yet, but have mostly been watching the ITV4 version.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 July, 2016, 09:38:21 pm
I'm certainly not keen enough on cycling's version of the Chuckle Brothers to fork out for a wok on the wall or a cable connection.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: mattc on 04 July, 2016, 08:42:46 am
plus ca change

More discussion of commentators than the bike-racing.

what has changed for 2016 is that we're discussing EX-commentators!


Can Sagan get any more bonkers? Will actually winning a stage go to his head?
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Post by: woollypigs on 04 July, 2016, 08:48:12 am
But mattc do remember that the lazy cyclist only cycle for about 5-6 hours a day ... :)
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Post by: Riggers on 04 July, 2016, 09:01:25 am
I saw the last 10 minutes on ITV 4 yesterday evening. And that's all I've seen so far.

These chaps covered snippets of LaVuelta last year, and you can do the same for the TdF too:

http://www.steephill.tv/tour-de-france/
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Post by: LEE on 04 July, 2016, 10:06:47 am
I'm still not sure how Contador escaped more serious injury. 
Falling off at speed is one thing but sliding over a raised kerb at speed like that is almost guaranteed to break bone.

Kudos to these fellas for getting on a bike again.

OUCH!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHGLQQmG-9s)
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Post by: Nuncio on 04 July, 2016, 01:11:22 pm
I saw the last 10 minutes on ITV 4 yesterday evening. And that's all I've seen so far.

They were a good 10 minutes. That stage finish was a little reminiscent of the 2014 Sheffield one, if not quite so severe. Impressive of Sagan to cede the lead, and then come back again to take the win.
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Post by: Riggers on 04 July, 2016, 03:34:57 pm
From the struggling riders it did look steep but, once again it seems, pics from cameras cannot adequately portray just how steep!
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Post by: pcolbeck on 04 July, 2016, 05:31:41 pm
Blimey !
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Post by: Ruthie on 04 July, 2016, 05:34:16 pm
I know, right?  This year is very good so far  :thumbsup:
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Post by: LEE on 04 July, 2016, 07:13:38 pm
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Post by: Andrew on 04 July, 2016, 07:39:20 pm
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Post by: bobb on 04 July, 2016, 07:54:20 pm
He gives a good, considered and respectful interview afterwards.

I thought his (second) interview with Matt was pretty disrespectful. He spent more time talking to his daughter than the interviewer. And even then he was mostly moaning. I still love him though  :D

Talking of the kids thing - I can see this getting banned. I don't really have a problem with it myself (and don't want to appear a joyless cunt) but sooner or later, there's going to be a "No kids on podiums" rule. What next? Someone bringing their kids on to the podium at Rio to have a gold medal put round their neck?
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Post by: Andrew on 04 July, 2016, 08:01:26 pm
I thought his (second) interview with Matt was pretty disrespectful.

I don't know who Matt is. I was watching his interview on French TV. He's careful to pay due respect to the tour and French riders generally. That he loves and respects the TdF is beyond doubt.
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Post by: Peter on 04 July, 2016, 09:32:30 pm
He gives a good, considered and respectful interview afterwards.

I thought his (second) interview with Matt was pretty disrespectful. He spent more time talking to his daughter than the interviewer. And even then he was mostly moaning. I still love him though  :D

Talking of the kids thing - I can see this getting banned. I don't really have a problem with it myself (and don't want to appear a joyless cunt) but sooner or later, there's going to be a "No kids on podiums" rule. What next? Someone bringing their kids on to the podium at Rio to have a gold medal put round their neck?

It should be easy enough to stop: it's not good for opponents who have been unable to have children, that should do it.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 July, 2016, 09:36:55 pm
Bloody machine decided to stop recording with about 5 km to go >:(

Fortunately I recorded the highlights as well.
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Post by: Karla on 04 July, 2016, 10:00:05 pm
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the advantage of a well-timed bike throw.
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Post by: LEE on 04 July, 2016, 10:29:31 pm
I distinctly remember, 3 or 4 years ago, thinking Eddie's 34 stage wins was way out of reach of Cav,

Now just 2 more wins puts the record enticingly close, just a good 2017 TdF away.

Close enough to devote a couple of years of your life to try to achieve?  Has Cav got 6 (or even 7) stage wins left in him?

He keeps defying the odds.
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Post by: TimC on 05 July, 2016, 01:51:11 am
I don't know who Matt is.

A multilingual walking encyclopedia of cycling, with added layers of geekiness. Pretty much the ideal person to think of a good question for the winner in the 2 minutes after a stage has finished.

Probably the only Englishman I'd trust to correct any native speaker of any European language on their pronunciation and be right! And he knows pretty much everything there is to know about pro cycling too. In other words, I hate him...
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Post by: Andrew on 05 July, 2016, 08:55:59 am
And there, ladies and gentlemen, it's the advantage of a well-timed bike throw.

Indeed. He got everything right in that finish. Nice to see when you start thinking that maybe he's just beginning to lose his edge.
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Post by: Nuncio on 05 July, 2016, 09:40:18 am
Cavendish has matured, as a rider and as a person. He gives a good, considered and respectful interview afterwards.  :thumbsup:

Well he hasn't grabbed a reporter's dictaphone for 3 years, but the test is when he's interviewed after he hasn't won, or when he's asked about causing a crash he thought he was blameless in, and/or when he's asked what he thinks is a fatuous question.

I didn't hear it but the Cycling Podcast mentioned that after the first win he was asked a long, fawning question about how he is now respected by peloton and wasn't that good. Cav considered for a while and then said something like: 'I don't know. At least 50% still bleeping hate me'.
(* I'm not being coy - that was the word used by Richard Moore)
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Post by: pcolbeck on 05 July, 2016, 12:49:39 pm
What's the current form of (French) houswives favourite Thomas Voeckler ? Can we expect any of his mad breakaways this year ?
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Post by: Nuncio on 05 July, 2016, 01:00:15 pm
Supposedly losing time deliberately so that he has some leeway for breaks in the mountains. Currently 181st, 10 minutes down. Apparently 'asked permission' of the peloton to bridge up to the lone leader Fonseca yesterday and gurned with him for about 70km before being caught by the rapacious sprinting teams with 8km to go.
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Post by: Andrew on 05 July, 2016, 01:00:43 pm
What's the current form of (French) houswives favourite Thomas Voeckler ? Can we expect any of his mad breakaways this year ?

You weren't watching yesterday then? He was at his tongue lolling, gurning best.
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Post by: bobb on 05 July, 2016, 01:01:29 pm
What's the current form of (French) houswives favourite Thomas Voeckler ? Can we expect any of his mad breakaways this year ?

Well, he was in a two man break yesterday. Tongue all over the place. So, yes you can expect more of that, especially as he's way down on GC already :)

Edit: Cross post  :P
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Post by: pcolbeck on 05 July, 2016, 01:07:15 pm
What's the current form of (French) houswives favourite Thomas Voeckler ? Can we expect any of his mad breakaways this year ?

You weren't watching yesterday then? He was at his tongue lolling, gurning best.

Yup only caught the last few minutes really and even then I was working so wasn't giving it my full attention. I like breakaway specialists. Now annoyed I missed a Voeckler special.
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Post by: mattc on 05 July, 2016, 01:10:28 pm
Cavendish has matured, as a rider and as a person. He gives a good, considered and respectful interview afterwards.  :thumbsup:

Well he hasn't grabbed a reporter's dictaphone for 3 years, but the test is when he's interviewed after he hasn't won, or when he's asked about causing a crash he thought he was blameless in, and/or when he's asked what he thinks is a fatuous question.

I hope the grumpy Cav stays with us for many years. He IS a mature respectful person, but he's also human.

If people want walking PR spouts, just read the teams press releases. Or watch some F1 post-race interviews:

- So, you threw away the race on the last lap, and your teammate is saying you're a twat. Tell us how shit you feel right now.
- For sure, the race didn't go as planned. The whole team will work hard for the next race."
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Post by: Pancho on 05 July, 2016, 02:07:07 pm
This is the first time I've actually watched the TdF. OK, I've seen stages in the flesh before, and I've caught a few highlights. But this is the first time I've been able to have it on in its entirety[1] in the background like the cricket. I'm loving it.

[1] Well, as much of its entirety as ITV4 shows. Good job I haven't got Eurosport or whatever - I'd never get anything done.
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Post by: mattc on 05 July, 2016, 02:25:55 pm
This is the first time I've actually watched the TdF. OK, I've seen stages in the flesh before, and I've caught a few highlights. But this is the first time I've been able to have it on in its entirety[1] in the background like the cricket. I'm loving it.

[1] Well, as much of its entirety as ITV4 shows. Good job I haven't got Eurosport or whatever - I'd never get anything done.

[1] They do show a few stages in their entirety.

Wouldn't it be marvellous if they could get a team of commentators/pundits, working stints, like TMS on the radio, each with something to contribute - either insight or anecdote?

The country would close down in July.
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Post by: fuzzy on 05 July, 2016, 03:37:09 pm
It is good to see the Manx Missile firing on all cylinders again. It would be nice to see him hanging on to get another Champs Elysee victory but, I think the Olympics may drag him away before then.
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Post by: Auntie Helen on 05 July, 2016, 03:39:44 pm
The German commentator pronounces him 'Tohma Vo-claire'
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Post by: mattc on 05 July, 2016, 03:43:33 pm
The German commentator pronounces him 'Tohma Vo-claire'
So it's not only the Brits who are crap at reading foreign names!
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Post by: red marley on 05 July, 2016, 04:05:48 pm
If you thought yesterday's result was close...
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Post by: woollypigs on 05 July, 2016, 04:08:09 pm
Yeah that was a fast/close one.
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Post by: bobb on 05 July, 2016, 04:32:48 pm
Yeah that was a fast/close one.


It was indeed. And I am £20 better off after sticking a couple of quid on Kittel with about 30k to go  :)
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Post by: woollypigs on 05 July, 2016, 05:12:31 pm
\o/
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Post by: rr on 05 July, 2016, 07:09:00 pm
I wonder if these stages are proportionately the closest races in any sport?
I make 10mm after 235km about 5 millionths of a percent of the total distance.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 July, 2016, 08:39:47 pm
Little Tommy VoecklerTM was involved in today's break as well.  Dunno what Cav thought he was doing today; he looked to be way too far back even before he got boxed in when things started to hot up.
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Post by: Pingu on 06 July, 2016, 09:03:28 am
The German commentator pronounces him 'Tohma Vo-claire'
So it's not only the Brits who are crap at reading foreign names!

Ned Boulting pronounces it pretty much this way as well.
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Post by: mattc on 06 July, 2016, 09:09:50 am
I wonder if these stages are proportionately the closest races in any sport?
I make 10mm after 235km about 5 millionths of a percent of the total distance.
Quite possibly; I cant think of anything right now.

But as you know, it's not truly 235km of "racing" in the case of a sprint finish.
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 06 July, 2016, 09:19:24 am
I wonder if these stages are proportionately the closest races in any sport?
I make 10mm after 235km about 5 millionths of a percent of the total distance.

The Whitbread (now Volvo) round the world multi-stage yacht race, with stages lasting up to 20 days, has had stages won by mere minutes. But that is rare.
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Post by: Pancho on 06 July, 2016, 09:21:21 am
I think the closest margin for the entire TdF was something like 8 seconds. That's a pretty tight margin after three weeks on the road.
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Post by: mattc on 06 July, 2016, 09:28:52 am
I think the closest margin for the entire TdF was something like 8 seconds. That's a pretty tight margin after three weeks on the road.
Was that Lemond?

That's a much "truer" margin, in that they battled over many km of climbs as well as that final TT. (Still not 3 weeks of actual contest though!)
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Post by: Pancho on 06 July, 2016, 09:36:39 am
A quick wiki lookup confirms my memory - 8 seconds between Lemond and second placed Fignon in 1989.
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Post by: trekker12 on 06 July, 2016, 09:43:16 am
The 1966 Le Mans 24hrs was decided by 8 metres after 4843.09 km by virtue of the two Ford GT40s crossing the line together but one started on the grid 8m in front of the other.

I'm not sure what that is as a percentage, it wouldn't have been a proper race by that point. It would have been arranged so they got a photo finish as they were team mates and so far ahead of any opposition.
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Post by: bikenrrd on 06 July, 2016, 10:58:24 am
An interesting read in light of yesterday's result:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_finish

Horse racing allows a "dead heat".  The photo of a triple dead heat in trap racing is pretty cool.
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Post by: David Martin on 06 July, 2016, 11:13:07 am
There is an interesting comparison of the merits of finish line cameras and conventional cameras from the tour of britain stage 7 where TV replay and finish line cameras gave different results.

(http://www.tourofbritain.co.uk/images/news/St7PhotoFinish.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COte5hYW8AEDEK4.png:large)

The bottom image is a camera that scans down the picture.By the time the scan has crossed between Greipel and Viviani, viviani has moved forwards about 5-8cm
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Post by: Andrew on 06 July, 2016, 11:26:32 am
Cavendish referred to camera angles, position of finish line, etc when talking about his stage 3 win. He said he had no idea whether he'd won or not until the announcement was made.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 July, 2016, 02:27:18 pm
The 1966 Le Mans 24hrs was decided by 8 metres after 4843.09 km by virtue of the two Ford GT40s crossing the line together but one started on the grid 8m in front of the other.

I'm not sure what that is as a percentage, it wouldn't have been a proper race by that point. It would have been arranged so they got a photo finish as they were team mates and so far ahead of any opposition.

Ken Miles backed off sharply just before the line in protest.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 July, 2016, 03:24:32 pm
Are my eyes deceiving me or is Nibbles in trubbles ???
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Post by: Pancho on 06 July, 2016, 03:27:47 pm
I think so. But he still looked fairly chipper.
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Post by: woollypigs on 06 July, 2016, 03:29:34 pm
Yeah it is all go today.

I like the way the photo of the spokes on the finish line :)
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Post by: Pancho on 06 July, 2016, 03:33:04 pm
On an unrelated note, are the ITV4 adverts standard daytime TV fodder or are they TdF audience targeted? I hope the former. I now know exactly who to turn to for slightly dodgy life insurance, very dodgy high interest loans, and equally dubious PPI claims and ambulance chasing lawyers. Oh, and how to give money to dogs.
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Post by: Karla on 06 July, 2016, 04:19:36 pm
The adverts are much better than when coverage used to be late at night.  "Text GIRLS to 07891 xxx ... Text LOVE to 07891 xxx ... Text BOYS to 07..."  ::-)

Yeah it is all go today.

I like the way the photo of the spokes on the finish line :)

Here is why the spokes bend: The Photo Finish Explained - inrng.com (http://inrng.com/2012/04/photo-finish-camera/)
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Post by: trekker12 on 07 July, 2016, 11:40:38 am
How do you give money to dogs?

I believe - although I don't watch much daytime TV - they are always like that. The unemployed in need of a loan and the retired in need of health insurance are the only people who watch TV at that time according to TV executives...

Anyway back to the race. I guess Astana are targeting Aru for victory after Nibali's performance yesterday, perhaps winning the Giro tired the poor lad out.
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Post by: Nuncio on 07 July, 2016, 01:25:33 pm
Not that you can necessarily trust pre-Tour pronouncememts but that was the plan anyway, (http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/06/tour-de-france/astana-nibali-helper-not-leader-tour_411400) with Nibali targeting the Rio road race.
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Post by: spesh on 07 July, 2016, 01:37:09 pm
Mind you, Nibbles won't be much help to Aru if he's going to get shelled out the back as easily as he was yesterday.
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Post by: woollypigs on 07 July, 2016, 04:39:30 pm
what a beaut :)
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Post by: TimO on 07 July, 2016, 04:49:41 pm
Damned impressive now, that the only person who has won more stages than Cav is Eddy Merckx !

Watching the overhead shot of the finish, Daniel McLay zoomed up, and was very close to going past Kittel, and if he'd had a short period longer may have challenged Cavendish.  Of course, the whole trick with the sprint finishes, is getting the timing right, and McLay didn't but I suspect he's going to do well in some future sprints.
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Post by: David Martin on 07 July, 2016, 05:08:25 pm
McLay seems to be incredibly fast and able to weave his way through a crowd. Definitely making his mark and probably onto a world tour team after those results.
Not seen the overhead yet (on a train) but hope that he gets some more respect from the peloton now.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2016, 08:50:25 pm
McLay said he had a minor coming together with another rider which delayed him from launching the flat-out-like-hell-maximum-attack wossname.

In spite of extending the end padding time on the Humax to five minutes it still stopped recording with 2 km to go >:(
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Torslanda on 07 July, 2016, 09:43:24 pm
How do you give money to dogs?

I believe - although I don't watch much daytime TV - they are always like that. The unemployed in need of a loan and the retired in need of health insurance are the only people who watch TV at that time according to TV executives...

Anyway back to the race. I guess Astana are targeting Aru for victory after Nibali's performance yesterday, perhaps winning the Giro tired the poor lad out.

Blipverts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekg45ub8bsk)  :demon:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 07 July, 2016, 09:45:41 pm
Am I the only one who thinks the bloke doing the random articles in the highlights shouldn't really be a TV journalist as he is so wooden?

Also, I've been subjected to Peter & Mrs Sagan doing their Grease thing twice now, that is more than enough thanks.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2016, 10:50:35 pm
Ned Boulting was better than the new bug but Ned's promotion to the colemantary box is, overall, a Good Thing.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 07 July, 2016, 11:14:34 pm
Ned Boulting was better than the new bug but Ned's promotion to the colemantary box is, overall, a Good Thing.

I'm finding Ned Boulting to be more engaging and a lot less irritating than Phil Liggett. Not to mention that he is also not tainted by association with HWNSMBN.
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Post by: Russell on 08 July, 2016, 08:09:50 am
In spite of extending the end padding time on the Humax to five minutes it still stopped recording with 2 km to go >:(

My Humax box is playing up with the tour highlights as well.  It's not recording unless the box is switched on (or so it seems) but only ITV 4 tour highlights.  Other channels/programmes are OK.  In an attempt to manually record we got nearly all of The Saint but only 3 minutes of the highlights the other night.  Thank goodness for +1!

Do you know I didn't realise Phil wasn't commentating untill I read it above   :facepalm:

Oh, and well done Cavman!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: sg37409 on 08 July, 2016, 08:17:00 am
Ned Boulting was better than the new bug but Ned's promotion to the colemantary box is, overall, a Good Thing.

I'm finding Ned Boulting to be more engaging and a lot less irritating than Phil Liggett. Not to mention that he is also not tainted by association with HWNSMBN.

Trying to workout what that stands for.  Clearly a lance us postal most tested athlete discovery bruyneel ref but can't get it. A clue please  ?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Andrew on 08 July, 2016, 08:32:02 am
Trying to workout what that stands for.

A quick web search brought up "Is Kristen Stewart in the Huntsman 2?"

It clearly isn't the correct answer but perhaps amusingly indicates the sort of thing that concerns people.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Russell on 08 July, 2016, 08:38:37 am
I found 2 hits on a GP Rejects forum but still none the wiser.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Si S on 08 July, 2016, 08:45:50 am
Ned Boulting was better than the new bug but Ned's promotion to the colemantary box is, overall, a Good Thing.

I'm finding Ned Boulting to be more engaging and a lot less irritating than Phil Liggett. Not to mention that he is also not tainted by association with HWNSMBN.

Trying to workout what that stands for.  Clearly a lance us postal most tested athlete discovery bruyneel ref but can't get it. A clue please  ?

I think it's supposed to be HWNSNBM - He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned aka Le Texan
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: trekker12 on 08 July, 2016, 09:25:28 am
Am I the only one who thinks the bloke doing the random articles in the highlights shouldn't really be a TV journalist as he is so wooden?

Did they also cut him off mid-stream last night on the highlights program? it seemed to me he needed to finish with a 'and now back to David and Ned' or something.*

*It's possible as I had been out to a work colleagues leaving do I had a momentary narcolepsy blip and it was smoother than I thought.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 July, 2016, 11:30:28 am
Had dinner on Tuesday night, mixed group of nationalities including an Australian who made reference to football, where it was nice to trot out the then statistic that Cav had more TdF stage wins (28) than Australia (27). But after yesterday he now has more wins (29) than the USA (17) and Russia (11) combined. 
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: LEE on 08 July, 2016, 11:31:13 am
Amazing aerial footage showing the Manx Missile making Kittel look like he was going backwards.

I am guilty of writing Cav off.  I thought it would be Greipel vs Kittel from 2016 onwards.

Even if he doesn't get to 34 stage wins Cav is the stuff of legends now.

There's a "Holy Trinity" bronze statue outside Old Trafford, Best, Charlton & Law.

Hoy, Wiggo & Cav would make a perfect "Holy trinity" outside the London Velodrome (even more so if Cav & Wiggo get medals in Rio).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 08 July, 2016, 11:53:42 am
Ned Boulting was better than the new bug but Ned's promotion to the colemantary box is, overall, a Good Thing.

I'm finding Ned Boulting to be more engaging and a lot less irritating than Phil Liggett. Not to mention that he is also not tainted by association with HWNSMBN.

Trying to workout what that stands for.  Clearly a lance us postal most tested athlete discovery bruyneel ref but can't get it. A clue please  ?

I think it's supposed to be HWNSNBM - He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned aka Le Texan

10 points to Griffyndor!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 08 July, 2016, 04:10:47 pm
"Bravo Bravo" as they said on France 2 today :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 08 July, 2016, 04:13:03 pm
someone get the repair kit out, stat!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 July, 2016, 06:18:01 pm
Bloody BBC have given away today's stage winner before I've had a chance to watch any of it.  Gits.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TheLurker on 08 July, 2016, 06:34:52 pm
Bloody BBC have given away today's stage winner before I've had a chance to watch any of it.  Gits.
Watch it anyway. I saw it live and it was wonderful.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Pingu on 08 July, 2016, 08:11:11 pm
"Bravo Bravo" as they said on France 2 today :)

And he didn't get overtaken by a granny!  ;)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 08 July, 2016, 08:40:54 pm
Twas rather chapaeurifique, n'est ce pas?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 08 July, 2016, 08:46:33 pm
"Bravo Bravo" as they said on France 2 today :)

And he didn't get overtaken by a granny!  ;)
Hehe, we talked about that ride today, jolly good fun :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Karla on 08 July, 2016, 09:07:39 pm
Steve's cumming of age, oui?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 July, 2016, 09:38:38 pm
I thought that was last year into Mende, when he sneaked up on a pair of FOREIGNS and made them look silly.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Karla on 08 July, 2016, 10:34:29 pm
Yebbut I think my sense of humour has got more puerile in the meantime.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Pingu on 08 July, 2016, 11:27:57 pm
"Bravo Bravo" as they said on France 2 today :)

And he didn't get overtaken by a granny!  ;)
Hehe, we talked about that ride today, jolly good fun :)

Still makes me  :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Peter on 08 July, 2016, 11:38:45 pm

Hoy, Wiggo & Cav would make a perfect "Holy trinity" outside the London Velodrome (even more so if Cav & Wiggo get medals in Rio).

Velocity in Manchester would be a better site.  It is the home of British Cycling and just about the epicentre of the trio, only one of which is a Londoner (if you don't think he's actually Belgian!).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Karla on 08 July, 2016, 11:44:24 pm
... or Australian
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 July, 2016, 11:50:51 pm
And the award for the most bizarre non-selection at the Olympics goes to....
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: andrew_s on 09 July, 2016, 06:14:15 am
And the award for the most bizarre non-selection at the Olympics goes to....
Indeed.

I'd guess that BC are putting all their eggs in the Froome basket, and the selection criteria are all about who can best support him, a la Sky train.
Of course what that leads to is a break going up the road with no British riders, and all the other teams who have got riders in it sitting back and waiting for GB to chase. See Cav in London.

Youtube of the flamme rouge falling on Adam Yates, from a following Mavic neutral support moto.
No chance whatsoever of avoiding a crash, lucky to get away with just the stitches in his chin, and about 14 secs before the next following rider appears in shot.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L7bR0J-Ztuw&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 July, 2016, 09:41:14 am
"Video not found" it says here, before trying to make me watch some feeble commercial about IKEA meatballs.  Srsly :(
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: andrew_s on 09 July, 2016, 10:33:54 am
"This video has been removed by the user"
It's now on cyclingnews at http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/adam-yates-flamme-rouge-inflatable-banner-crash-video/

It was in with the Velon on-bike video compilations. I guess cyclingnews paid for it, so it's now off thr free lisr.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 09 July, 2016, 04:12:23 pm
Feck me I got no more nails left .... and there is five k to go
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Karla on 09 July, 2016, 04:20:48 pm
Between 1st and 2nd place, I think there's at least one British rider in there.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Pingu on 09 July, 2016, 04:24:31 pm
Don't try this at home, folks.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 July, 2016, 05:13:53 pm
C. Froome: O hai!  I am C Froome and I am made of teh WIN!
A. Yates: You utter git, C Froome!
M Cavendish: Oww!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TimO on 09 July, 2016, 05:48:48 pm
It was a little amusing, that after the commentary on ITV4 was discussing how quiet the Sky team had been this morning, so they obviously had a cunning plan, and then Chris Froome was basically saying that he just felt good and decided to go for it!

Either way, he clearly is on very good form, and is surprising the hell out of the other riders and teams. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 09 July, 2016, 06:05:01 pm
Cardinal Brailsford: “No one expects the Sky Improvisation! Our chief weapon is surprise, fearless descending and surprise; two chief weapons, fearless descending, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among our chief weapons are: fearless descending, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near-fanatical domestiques! Um, I'll come in again...”
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Steph on 09 July, 2016, 06:19:42 pm
Punchy...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 09 July, 2016, 06:52:17 pm
Hand-off's with extreme prejudice, again? :demon:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 09 July, 2016, 07:00:54 pm
Punchy...
You are not wrong either ....

http://road.cc/content/news/196676-video-chris-froome-smacks-spectator-stage-8-climb
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Tim Hall on 09 July, 2016, 08:01:44 pm
Blimey. Descending at 90km/h
And pedalling.
While astride the top tube.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: red marley on 09 July, 2016, 08:06:51 pm
It takes balls of steel to do that.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TheLurker on 09 July, 2016, 08:47:51 pm
A. Yates: You utter git, C Froome!
Yeah I felt a bit sorry for Yates too.

However I did think that the running idiot fully deserved a smack in the chops and furthermore I think the Commissaires should have given Froome a 200 euro bonus rather than fining him.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 09 July, 2016, 09:34:37 pm
Blimey. Descending at 90km/h
And pedalling.
While astride the top tube.

I could hardly bear to watch
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: marylogic on 09 July, 2016, 09:38:48 pm
Cardinal Brailsford: “No one expects the Sky Improvisation! Our chief weapon is surprise, fearless descending and surprise; two chief weapons, fearless descending, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among our chief weapons are: fearless descending, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near-fanatical domestiques! Um, I'll come in again...”

It's nice to see Sky planning to be more spontaneous
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 09 July, 2016, 10:01:34 pm
ISWYDT ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 July, 2016, 10:51:44 pm
Am I right in assuming that in spite of the gloomy prognostications of C Boardman The Man did not deem Cav to have been too late to go to the ball Andorra tomorrow?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TimO on 09 July, 2016, 11:04:59 pm
Am I right in assuming that in spite of the gloomy prognostications of C Boardman The Man did not deem Cav to have been too late to go to the ball Andorra tomorrow?

I believe he's OK.  Right at the end of the programme, they showed Cav coming in, right at the end of a big block of riders.

Whilst that group was outside the cutoff time, there was enough of them, that it was unlikely they'd all be eliminated.

So, it would appear that he will go to the ball, but only just.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: StuAff on 09 July, 2016, 11:05:29 pm
Am I right in assuming that in spite of the gloomy prognostications of C Boardman The Man did not deem Cav to have been too late to go to the ball Andorra tomorrow?
Yup, he and Bernie made the time cut- according to the team they got back four minutes on the grupetto in the last 20km.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Pingu on 09 July, 2016, 11:14:05 pm
Did the autobus wait for them?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 July, 2016, 11:52:43 pm
At the end of the live coverage Boardman was implying that Cav was off the back on his own, but the back he was off the back off hadn't come in 38+ minutes after Froome stopped looking at his stem, and then the programme ended.  I checked on the Tour's official webby SCIENCE before we went to thee Pubbe and they were still showing him as holding the green jersey but these FOREIGNS can be a bit slow in updating Stuffs (especially if it pertains to Perfidious Albion :demon:), plus the webby SCIENCE is an horrible mess anyway.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Dibdib on 10 July, 2016, 12:07:17 am
The TdF site is showing Cav and 54 others coming in at +39' 24", apparently just inside the time cut (along with another 43 just ahead at 34' 43").

ETA: I don't think I saw anyone mention exactly what the cut was, so I just worked it out - 44' 38".

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Tim Hall on 10 July, 2016, 07:33:54 am
There was an interview with an alien who looked just like M Cavendish of the IOM at the end of the highlights show, but it can't have been him, as the alien was chatty and smiling.  Anyhoo, he explained how much he hates the Pyrenees, and how they (gnarly sprinters) got "all scientific" working out how many watts per kilo they'd need to stay in contention. And then he got a puncture so had to go a bit.  And on the last descent they gave it absolute beans "because you never know what's going to happen."


La télévision française had all buggered off home when he nipped up on to the stage to get his green jumper.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Russell on 10 July, 2016, 08:06:28 am
Brits are holding 3 out of 4 jerseys, hold the first 2 places overall and have won 5 out of the 8 stages so far.

I'm dreaming - someone will be along soon to tell me we voted to leave as well.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 July, 2016, 09:50:05 am
And all the pundits are tipping A Murray of Scotlandshire to win Wmbldn this afternoon.  It's the End Times, I tells 'e!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TheLurker on 10 July, 2016, 09:58:58 am
Brits are holding 3 out of 4 jerseys, hold the first 2 places overall and have won 5 out of the 8 stages so far.
Not only that; Brit. riders aren't confined to one team and the presence of youngsters such as Yates and McLay suggests we have good reason for hoping to see good results for UK cyclists for a few years to come.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Andrew on 10 July, 2016, 11:18:25 am
And all the pundits are tipping A Murray of Scotlandshire The Newly Independent Nation of Scotland to win Wmbldn this afternoon.  It's the End Times, I tells 'e!

FT - as they say - FY.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 10 July, 2016, 11:52:42 am
Quote from: 'Tour Climbs' by Chris Sidwells
The Port de la Bonaigua, is well up in the contenders for the location of wittiest piece of graffiti painted on the road by a bike fan. Usually these are messages to the painter's cycling hero, exhorting him to greater efforts or counselling against getting discouraged, but this one, picked out clearly by the TV helicopter in 1993, read,

"Hello mum, what do you mean I never write?"
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: mcshroom on 10 July, 2016, 12:32:38 pm
Just seen the last summit again and Quintana was concentrating on getting a drink rather than what Froome was doing as they went over the top. He threw the bottle pretty sharpish when he saw the attack but it was a bit late then, Froome had gone.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TimO on 10 July, 2016, 12:58:56 pm
Just seen the last summit again and Quintana was concentrating on getting a drink rather than what Froome was doing as they went over the top. He threw the bottle pretty sharpish when he saw the attack but it was a bit late then, Froome had gone.

Even then, they probably didn't attack as fast as they should have.  You see some of the riders looking behind themselves, at the other riders, presumably in a "should we respond to this?" way.

Froome isn't particularly known for this sort of attack, but I've certainly seen other riders do it in the past, and as a very serious contender for the GC, they shouldn't let him be getting away with anything.  It's not as though Quintana desperately needs a drink at that point, with only a few minutes to go.  It would make little difference if he did or did not get a water bottle.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: T42 on 10 July, 2016, 01:21:22 pm
I say, there seem to be some cyclist chappies pedalling on TV. Fancy that!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Torslanda on 10 July, 2016, 01:28:56 pm
Contador just got off.

'Bye, then...'
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: LEE on 10 July, 2016, 01:54:26 pm
Brits are holding 3 out of 4 jerseys, hold the first 2 places overall and have won 5 out of the 8 stages so far.


Cue Nigel Farage claiming credit for it.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 10 July, 2016, 04:01:06 pm
Aaahh yet another numpty spectator ... I'm pretty sure that, that stated they will keep their distance in the future.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 July, 2016, 04:06:42 pm
Commentator: "...glorious blue sunshine..."

Quote from C. M. Jenkins, in Colemanballs.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 10 July, 2016, 04:08:32 pm
Yeah a bit moist on the finishing line atm, can hear the hail on the roof the commentators.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 10 July, 2016, 04:14:47 pm
Feck me that is going to smart them hails
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: mcshroom on 10 July, 2016, 04:30:45 pm
Boardman looks pretty unhappy in that tent
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: falcon on 10 July, 2016, 04:34:31 pm
He's got them! Home time now?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 July, 2016, 04:39:23 pm
Dumoulin is clearly not run of the mill.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: mcshroom on 10 July, 2016, 04:57:29 pm
Not sure we've had this, but impressive professionalism from the Five Live team last week as the desk collapsed on them in the middle of the sprint: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36719488
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 10 July, 2016, 06:00:10 pm
Aaahh yet another numpty spectator ... I'm pretty sure that, that stated they will keep their distance in the future.

Which one - the lemming who was floored by Bennett, or the idiot in the green spandex gimp suit who was nearly hit by Majka?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 10 July, 2016, 06:06:28 pm
Not sure we've had this, but impressive professionalism from the Five Live team last week as the desk collapsed on them in the middle of the sprint: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36719488

The macarons were unharmed too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 10 July, 2016, 06:16:42 pm
Aaahh yet another numpty spectator ... I'm pretty sure that, that stated they will keep their distance in the future.

Which one - the lemming who was floored by Bennett, or the idiot in the green spandex gimp suit who was nearly hit by Majka?
Oh yes that green nutter nearly took out two riders.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 July, 2016, 08:09:51 pm
Was that chasing spectator wearing a full-face motorcycle helmet to keep the hail off or as a protective measure in case Froome was feeling punchy again?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: TimC on 10 July, 2016, 08:39:57 pm
I do hope it was ironic!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Pingu on 10 July, 2016, 10:32:08 pm
Dumoulin is clearly not run of the mill.

He refused to be ground down when peppered with hail.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 10 July, 2016, 10:43:07 pm
If this thread's going to be salted with puns like that, it's going to be a real grind.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 July, 2016, 09:05:38 am
I think it'll spice things up a bit.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Legs on 11 July, 2016, 09:32:49 am
No-one was going to take the wind out of his sails...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 July, 2016, 09:39:39 am
Must have been a bit chilli with that appalling weather yesterday.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 11 July, 2016, 11:03:31 am
Lazy lump of cyclist having a rest day.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Nuncio on 11 July, 2016, 01:19:31 pm
They're getting softer, these pro cyclists.

http://imgur.com/A5yzkMw (http://imgur.com/A5yzkMw)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 11 July, 2016, 02:18:36 pm
Hehehe :)

But do they even think of us fans, who are suffering today, I got the shakes from withdrawals, I need my fix!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: fuzzy on 11 July, 2016, 05:21:07 pm
Can't link to it from work but, did anyone else see that vid of the kid from Buckinghamshire doing a Froome top tube descent which Froomie commented on?

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: woollypigs on 11 July, 2016, 05:27:24 pm
Yes I saw it on last nights tour highlight, wheeeeeee :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: sg37409 on 11 July, 2016, 05:35:34 pm
They're getting softer, these pro cyclists.

http://imgur.com/A5yzkMw (http://imgur.com/A5yzkMw)

<like>
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2016, 10:53:50 am
Just been watching last night's highlights after the Humax had another attack of brain fade.  That C Boardman is a Bad Man.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: spesh on 12 July, 2016, 10:57:15 am
Put me in mind of Doctor Bunsen Burner, with the unfortunate G Boardman as the replacement Beaker. ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2016, 05:22:45 pm
P Sagan:O hai!  I am P Sagan and I am made of teh Win!  Also I am Champion of teh WURRRLD and therefore made of even more teh Win!  You lot will be on teh receiving end of teh pwnage!  Oh.  Arse!
M Matthews:Ha ha, P Sagan!  You did not see that coming, eh!  Luser!
O Tinkov:You are not riding for me next year, P Sagan!  Oh, wait...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Riggers on 13 July, 2016, 12:00:42 pm
I am warming to Saggers more and more each year, and I felt for him yesterday, when those beastly other chaps refused to challenge him properly and, instead, attacked him with a couple of hundred yards to the finish.

Offpoint: as well as man-love for Peter of Saggers, I admit a man-love for dear old Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg. There, said it. That feels better.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 13 July, 2016, 02:02:36 pm
Ohh there is talk about cutting tomorrows stage short. On top of Mount V there is 100-110 Km/h wind today and might be the same tomorrow.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Riggers on 13 July, 2016, 03:00:42 pm
Sounds sensible to me if that is the case. Bizarre weather surely for this time of year!!?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 13 July, 2016, 04:07:13 pm
The mountain weather forecast (mountain-forecast.com) shows sunny, 5°C and 70kmh wind. Not nice!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Riggers on 13 July, 2016, 04:16:10 pm
Well done … SAGGERS!!! Can't wait to watch the highlights this evening!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 13 July, 2016, 04:18:30 pm
Some ride that was :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: bobb on 13 July, 2016, 04:22:01 pm
It's certainly refreshing to see the yellow jersey going on the attack rather than just defending it.

Sagan deserved that for the amount of effort he's put in over the last couple of days...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Karla on 13 July, 2016, 04:22:19 pm
Chris Froome trying to outsprint Peter Sagan?  That's not a sight you see every day.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 13 July, 2016, 04:43:29 pm
I think it was more a case of Froome not wanting to hang around for Sagan to give the stage to Bodnar, since every second was counting. As soon as Froome sprinted, Sagan was forced to win the stage.

Bodnar won’t have liked that, but Froome had every right to do it. If there was any doubt, he’s proving himself to be a real racer! Makes for brilliant TV.

The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 13 July, 2016, 04:46:33 pm
Yebbut... htf was it even allowed to happen  ???

Major case of 'not paying attention' + 'unable to get shit together' = 'major fail'
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 13 July, 2016, 04:47:05 pm
By Movistar, you mean?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 13 July, 2016, 05:55:49 pm
I wonder if they'll get a Sherlock Holmes-related gag into the highlights?

One of today's fallers was Sebastien Reichenbach.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew Br on 13 July, 2016, 07:05:54 pm


The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

Presumably Quintana and the rest (well, just Quintana, no-one else is likely to challenge), will have been equally hammering it so they should be in the same position ?
I bet Froome is really happy that tomorrow's stage might be shortened; I imagine that he'll just follow Quintana and attack if he gets the chance. Quintana will need to do something spectacular to eat into Froome's lead.
I suspect he'll wait 'til the Alps.

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 13 July, 2016, 07:40:25 pm
Froome had every right to do it. If there was any doubt, he’s proving himself to be a real racer! Makes for brilliant TV.

We all knew he could attack uphill, but this year he has added attacking downhill, attacking on flat stages and attacking spectators to his repertoire.

Who the bloody hell does he think he is... Bernard Hinault?  ;D

Quote
The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

Nah, he's too calculating for that to have been a total rush of blood to the head. Even at 65-70kmh he will have been looking at his power meter.

The really clever bit was sitting on Sagan's wheel so he was in precisely the right place at precisely the right time. Thomas was nearly caught out but did well to respond and latch on. Unlike Quintana, who doesn't seem to have learnt from last year's mistakes.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 13 July, 2016, 07:48:17 pm
Quintana really needs to attach earlier and since we are over half way he needs to do that harder, more often and longer to get one up on Froome.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 13 July, 2016, 08:32:17 pm
Cor! That was a bit exciting!

Unlike Quintana, who doesn't seem to have learnt from last year's mistakes.


Indeed, you'd have thought Movistar would have been well prepared for that.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 13 July, 2016, 08:46:37 pm

The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

It's good training for the TT, and the rest of the team are rested, only Thomas made an effort.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 13 July, 2016, 08:48:19 pm
Stage shortened tomorrow, finish at Chalet Reynard apparently.

Really shit forecast for tomorrow; 90kph winds, 5°, -4° with chill factor  :o
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 13 July, 2016, 09:20:33 pm

The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

It's good training for the TT, and the rest of the team are rested, only Thomas made an effort.

... in the last 12km. The remainder - or at least  Kirienka, Stannard and Rowe - had a far from restful day from what I could see.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 13 July, 2016, 09:20:46 pm
Stage shortened tomorrow, finish at Chalet Reynard apparently.

Really shit forecast for tomorrow; 90kph winds, 5°, -4° with chill factor  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36786486

Not just a matter of rider safety, also the spectators and race personnel...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 13 July, 2016, 09:27:43 pm
Yes, a friend of mine is on the mountain now, and every available parking spot is occupied. There are a lot of people up there, and they're going to get bloody cold tonight.

Edit: he says they've all left.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 13 July, 2016, 09:41:26 pm
Isnt Ventoux the windiest place in Europe? I seem to remember something about 300kph winds recorded at the top.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 13 July, 2016, 09:43:52 pm
Presumably Quintana and the rest (well, just Quintana, no-one else is likely to challenge), will have been equally hammering it so they should be in the same position ?

Froome worked hard in the small group of four escapees, whereas Quintana hid behind a mass of riders (to the extent that was possible with the partial crosswind). So Froome certainly worked a lot harder than Quintana in those final 12 km.

There’s a great video of the escape forming here (https://streamable.com/3132). I can’t stop watching it!

A couple of things stand out:
For those who missed it, watch here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neepkQjti4A&feature=youtu.be&t=230) before it’s deleted.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 July, 2016, 09:51:03 pm
P SaganO hai!  I am P Sagan and I am made of teh Win!  Crazy!
C FroomeO hai!  I am C Froome and I, also, am made of teh Win!
C WindO hai!  I am teh weather and I am made of teh Wind ha ha!
N QuintanaPiss!
M CavendishAnyone got a Power Monkey?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: perpetual dan on 13 July, 2016, 09:57:08 pm
Well that was good fun - people at the top of their game because they're good at racing: fast, paying attention, willing to take a risk, willing to make it up as they go along but also working together. And really refreshing to see the yellow jersey a) going for it and b) going for it not on a hill or TT (beyond the first mountain stage).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 13 July, 2016, 09:58:15 pm
I like that, Mr Larrington!

It’s interesting that Cavendish said he was stuck in his 15T cog, which was apparently too low to be useful. Assuming a 53T chainring, that’s almost identical to my top gear of 46T / 13T. That feels like a big gear to me. This stage averaged over 47 km/h.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 13 July, 2016, 10:00:18 pm
Cardinal Brailsford: “No one expects the Sky Improvisation! Our chief weapon is surprise, correct crosswind tactics and surprise; two chief weapons, correct crosswind tactics, surprise, and the ability to keep up with Sagan! Er, hang on... we've done this already, haven't we?"

Cardinal Froome: "Bet you weren't expecting that..."
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 13 July, 2016, 10:04:01 pm

Really shit forecast for tomorrow; 90kph winds, 5°, -4° with chill factor  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36786486

I reckon the beeb have applied a Brexit factor to get 120kph wind speeds, French news said 90!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 July, 2016, 10:08:14 pm
I think it was more a case of Froome not wanting to hang around for Sagan to give the stage to Bodnar, since every second was counting. As soon as Froome sprinted, Sagan was forced to win the stage.

Bodnar won’t have liked that, but Froome had every right to do it. If there was any doubt, he’s proving himself to be a real racer! Makes for brilliant TV.

Froome was clearly very aware of the time bonuses, which weren't of any great significance to either Bodnar or Sagan, and was always going to contest it.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: trekker12 on 13 July, 2016, 10:43:52 pm
That was brilliant!!!!

Just watched the highlights. Itv4 have the same forecast as bbc, said 120kmh
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 July, 2016, 10:50:53 pm
C Froome himself said 120 km/h.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 13 July, 2016, 11:26:41 pm
Froome was clearly very aware of the time bonuses, which weren't of any great significance to either Bodnar or Sagan, and was always going to contest it.

The way I read it was something of an agreed finish - Sagan gets the stage win (and pretty much wraps up the points competition, to boot), Froome gets the next biggest time bonus (beyond that, all he really cares is that the bunch don't get any bonification seconds), and so it's in both their interests a) to work until the line, and b) for their domestiques to sit up just before the finish.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Peter on 14 July, 2016, 12:28:00 am
BBC does it again:  "This will be the first time a stage hasn't finished at the top of Mont Ventoux since (wait for it.....) 2013."  And Boris Johnson is the first person to be Foreign Secretary since the last person, etc.  I blame media studies.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: andrew_s on 14 July, 2016, 12:34:20 am
It’s interesting that Cavendish said he was stuck in his 15T cog, which was apparently too low to be useful. Assuming a 53T chainring, that’s almost identical to my top gear of 46T / 13T. That feels like a big gear to me. This stage averaged over 47 km/h.
According to Cav, they were going at 70 kph, which works out as 153 rpm on 53/15 (or a bit more - I assumed a 27" wheel diameter)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 14 July, 2016, 12:42:44 am
The Peloton seem to forget that Froome is a World class TT rider.

They should have been more wary of him latching onto Sagan's wheel with just 14km to go.

You can assume a serious pace.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 12:43:18 am
Seems that Movistar are a tad... butthurt:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-and-movistar-blast-tour-de-france-organisers-for-dangerous-stage-11/
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 07:16:58 am
C Froome himself said 120 km/h.

Oh, why didn't someone say to begin with? It must be true then. Froome studied meteorology at 'riding my bike really fast like a kid' school. He kept hamsters too I believe.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 14 July, 2016, 07:30:08 am
https://www.meteoblue.com/fr/meteo/prevision/semaine/mont-ventoux_france_2970031

Wind looks like being ~60km/h at times; significant wind chill.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Si S on 14 July, 2016, 08:34:32 am
Seems that Movistar are a tad... butthurt:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-and-movistar-blast-tour-de-france-organisers-for-dangerous-stage-11/

Probably wanted it neutralised so Quintana could attack  :demon:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 12:58:01 pm
The tour program on tele said wind is currently gusting to 140kph at the summit. Looks calm and sunny at Chalet Reynard though.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 12:58:56 pm
The GC contenders are in no hurry - the break's nearly 18 minutes up the road!  :o ;D

https://twitter.com/radiotour_en/status/753557663699599360
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 14 July, 2016, 01:11:34 pm
Seems that Movistar are a tad... butthurt:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-and-movistar-blast-tour-de-france-organisers-for-dangerous-stage-11/
Unbelievable whining.

I used to be neutral about the "Froome-dog", with little opinion on Quintana; now I'm almost admiring Froome's approach, and hoping Quintana finishes behind every rider with some guts and/or balls.

(Neither of them add to the beauty of bike-racing, but that's a 2ry issue.)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 02:15:10 pm
Didn't Quintana adopt similar tic-tacs last year viz. wait until Froome shows signs of weakness before attacking and thus end up not attacking at all as Froome selfishly fails to show any?  Last night's dinner at the Movistar hotel: humble pie followed by sour grapes.

Adverts for personal injury lawyers, will-writing services and funeral insewerants?  What do ITV4's suits think the demographic of TdF fans is?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 14 July, 2016, 02:34:50 pm
Adverts for personal injury lawyers, will-writing services and funeral insewerants?  What do ITV4's suits think the demographic of TdF fans is?

It's rather different when you watch the 7pm show  ;D

Car ads mainly ...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 14 July, 2016, 03:58:19 pm
feeeeeeck this is chaos !!!!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 14 July, 2016, 03:58:36 pm
What a bloody farce.

Great telly though!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Pancho on 14 July, 2016, 04:00:57 pm
WTF?

Utter disaster. What a farce. Did you see him *running*?!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 14 July, 2016, 04:03:09 pm
Him running might just be one of the classic moments in Tour history!

Your heart breaks for him though.  For all three of them.

Those speccies getting in the way need a slap.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 14 July, 2016, 04:03:20 pm
Holly molly someone ain't going to sleep tonight because there will be a few that would like to have WORDS with that numpty !!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 14 July, 2016, 04:06:31 pm
I'm amazed it doesn't happen on every mountain finish to be honest.

Supposed cycling fans just interested in getting their stupid fancy dress on TV.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 04:06:40 pm
Jeebus, Elvis and L. Ron Fucking Hubbard onna Harley...  :facepalm:

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 14 July, 2016, 04:11:19 pm
Those GC standings had better not stand  >:(
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimO on 14 July, 2016, 04:19:00 pm
Him running might just be one of the classic moments in Tour history! ...

Strictly speaking, I think they have to get themselves and their bike over the finish line, for it to count (presumably replacements being allowed).

Those GC standings had better not stand  >:(

Realistically, I can't see how they can.  If they did, I think the teams would raise hell.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 14 July, 2016, 04:20:17 pm
I only heard the BBC 5LSE coverage but it sounded like an absolute fuckup. Looking forward to seeing it properly on the highlights show, by which time hopefully the commissaires will have done something to sort out the GC.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 14 July, 2016, 04:22:11 pm
Times neutralised to the time of the crash ?

If I was Adam Yates I would refuse to wear yellow tomorrow.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 14 July, 2016, 04:22:51 pm
I can't link to official footage, this is the best I can offer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 04:27:12 pm
Makes you wonder WTF Movistar were moaning about with yesterday's stage being "dangerous".  What a farce.  Chapeau to de Gendt though, cracking ride and now pwns the "King of the Jerseys mountain", at least according to Ned.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 14 July, 2016, 04:28:46 pm
It's awful I know but repeatedly rewinding Froome up and down that hill is just hilarious.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 04:29:10 pm
Those GC standings had better not stand  >:(

I can understand the frustration but I'm really not sure just what can be done. It's an utterly bizarre, surreal even, event and I could see the commissaire(s) saying something like 'sorry and all that but racing incident, bad luck'.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: essexian on 14 July, 2016, 04:33:30 pm
I am sure someone will know but would it be possible to pixelate out the runners? They aren't interested in the racing but only to get on telly.

Either that, or rounding up one or two of them and shooting them...especially the ones in Mankinis  :sick:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TigaSefi on 14 July, 2016, 04:34:33 pm
I want all mountains stages at the finish to be fenced off from now on! Ridiculous!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Legs on 14 July, 2016, 04:42:20 pm
It's all good and fine to say that they should adjust the GC timings, but what would you want them to do if one of the crashees had been injured and was unable to continue?  And if you retrospectively neutralise the timings back to 3km, that unfairly penalises riders who legitimately put in the effort to gain time in those final kilometres.  A real minefield...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 14 July, 2016, 04:43:05 pm
The same if they neutralise the whole stage.  It really is a poor show.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 04:49:39 pm
It's all good and fine to say that they should adjust the GC timings, but what would you want them to do if one of the crashees had been injured and was unable to continue?  And if you retrospectively neutralise the timings back to 3km, that unfairly penalises riders who legitimately put in the effort to gain time in those final kilometres.  A real minefield...

Indeed. That's why I'm not sure that they can do anything. Also, it could set some kind of precedent that just ends up making future incidents subject to (justifiable) protest. Sometimes, you have to take a seemingly unjust and tough line.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 14 July, 2016, 04:49:53 pm
It's all good and fine to say that they should adjust the GC timings, but what would you want them to do if one of the crashees had been injured and was unable to continue?  And if you retrospectively neutralise the timings back to 3km, that unfairly penalises riders who legitimately put in the effort to gain time in those final kilometres.  A real minefield...

Froome didn't crash he was knocked off by an official TDF Motorbike that did an emergency stop immediately in front of him.

That's different to crashing and even different to a fan knocking him off. The TdF Organisation knocked him off.

The least they can do is neutralise the finish but even then Quintana gets a huge bonus.  What they should do is use the time gaps at the instant of the crash.

They are all Geo-Tagged.  The gaps were pretty much set with only a minute to go.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 14 July, 2016, 04:53:57 pm
Same category as having the Flamme Rouge collapse on you.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 04:55:27 pm
Was that (fortunately?) covered by the 3km rule... which doesn't apply on a mountain stage.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 04:56:10 pm
Froome keeps yellow!

French TV just speaking to Brailsford.

No idea what they've done specifically or with the timings.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Pancho on 14 July, 2016, 04:56:18 pm
Same category as having the Flamme Rouge collapse on you.

That was well into WTF territory as well.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Jaded on 14 July, 2016, 04:56:25 pm
chrashee  :sick: :sick: :sick:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 04:57:54 pm
Word on other fora is that Froome and Porte are going to be credited with the same time as Mollema...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Pancho on 14 July, 2016, 05:00:00 pm
For anyone who missed it, someone's posted some video here

https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/753606346440863745/video/1
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 05:01:57 pm
Boos from some of the crowd at the jersey presentation  ???
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 05:04:02 pm
This has just appeared on the BBC's webby SCIENCE via Twitter from some bloke called "Ned Boulting":

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVkE8rWYAA_y54.jpg)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 05:04:48 pm
Froome was just saying a motorbike hit him from behind and broke his bike.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 14 July, 2016, 05:07:27 pm
I'll be interested to read the official statement from the commissaire. They're probably still working on it!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 05:12:52 pm
Froome & Porte given the same time as Mollema.  "The only right decision possible!!" says a Mr J Voigt of Germany.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Pancho on 14 July, 2016, 05:13:41 pm
Now that's over, I'm switching over for the cricket (got tickets for Saturday).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mzjo on 14 July, 2016, 05:17:43 pm
Seems that Movistar are a tad... butthurt:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-and-movistar-blast-tour-de-france-organisers-for-dangerous-stage-11/

I would like to see what they say about the dangers of today's stage!! Seems like the organisation made a reasonable decision in the face of their security limitations (read errors).

Blame the french government for making ASO pay too much for policing resources.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 05:25:18 pm
T de Gendt:O hai!  I am T de Gendt and I am made of teh Win!
D Navarro:You utter git, T de Gendt!
C Froome:O hai!  I am C Froome and I, also, am made of teh Win!
N Quintana:You utter git, C Froome!
R Porte:O hai!  I am R Porte and I am ma...hang on a sec!  What flaming drongo put a bloody motorbike there?
C Froome:M Farah doesn't have to put up with this sort of nonsense!
A Flag-Waving Spaniard:O hai!  I have been asleep at the bottom of a wine barrel since last Saturday.  What do you mean, A Contador has retired from the race?
[Much, much later]
C Froome:Hurrah for Truth, Justice and the American BRITISH Kenyan French Way!
E Unzué:Not fair!  Dangerous!  Oh wait, that was yesterday...
P Sagan:Crazy!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 05:27:54 pm
Ambassador Monsieur le Mairie, you are spoiling us... ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mzjo on 14 July, 2016, 05:30:46 pm
It's all good and fine to say that they should adjust the GC timings, but what would you want them to do if one of the crashees had been injured and was unable to continue?  And if you retrospectively neutralise the timings back to 3km, that unfairly penalises riders who legitimately put in the effort to gain time in those final kilometres.  A real minefield...

Froome didn't crash he was knocked off by an official TDF Motorbike that did an emergency stop immediately in front of him.

That's different to crashing and even different to a fan knocking him off. The TdF Organisation knocked him off.

The least they can do is neutralise the finish but even then Quintana gets a huge bonus.  What they should do is use the time gaps at the instant of the crash.

They are all Geo-Tagged.  The gaps were pretty much set with only a minute to go.

No he ran into the back of Richie Porte's bike while Porte rode into the back of the TV bike that had to make an emergency stop due to a reason that is not clear but would probably have been a spectator. Without a picture of what went on in front of the bike anything else is speculation. Apparently there were hidden cameras (which might have been speccies' Iphones) so the truth may yet come out.

The solution of the jury of giving all three the same time as Mollema would appear to be the most acceptable to most people.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 14 July, 2016, 05:33:12 pm
Same category as having the Flamme Rouge collapse on you.

That was well into WTF territory as well.

I used to have a French colleague, from whom I learnt a several of Useful Phrases.  One that comes in handy here is:

Quote
C'est quoi ce bordel?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 05:34:48 pm
Cardinal Putain: “No one expects the Spectators' Imposition! Our chief weapon is surprise, an utter lack of road sense and surprise; two chief weapons, an utter lack of road sense, surprise, and a prodigious capacity for alcohol! Er, among our chief weapons are: an utter lack of road sense, surprise, a prodigious capacity for alcohol, and a fanatical devotion to our favourite rider! Um, we'll come in again...”
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mzjo on 14 July, 2016, 05:39:30 pm
I want all mountains stages at the finish to be fenced off from now on! Ridiculous!

Normally a summit finish is fenced for the last 3kms. What happened today was that there wasn't enough time for the organisers to move the barriers 6ms from the original finish point to the new one (or they didn't have the money to pay the overtime on a july 14th). Hence the absurd situation of having spectators all over the road so close to the finish. ASO are going to have to review their copy for mountain finishes in the future!

ajoute: Pity I have to go to work tomorrow, "Les Rois de la Pédale" could be very interesting and informative, especially the comments of M. Durand and M. Moncoutie who are advocates of "the rule book is the rule book and always right, even when wrong". M. Virenque is rather more flexible in his attitude to Rules  ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 14 July, 2016, 05:44:24 pm
The way this tour is going perhaps ASO should just pick a couple of riders at random every morning and smack them round the back of the head with a shovel. It would save the riders having to pedal 150km up and down hills before ASO took them out.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 05:45:51 pm
The spectator in the black full-face motorbike helmet was back today, or else word has spread that C Froome has a low tolerance of sub-epsilons.

I'm waiting for The Stig to show up.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 05:46:17 pm
Perhaps what is needed on mountain stages are a few CRS outriders to clear a path. :demon:

ETA - or maybe taking a few protips from Asia:

http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_xn4ee01xjxkip8njiypgxugwuhb9imej.jpg
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 14 July, 2016, 05:55:51 pm
They need a snowplough. Froome running has got to put him into your history. Had it ever happened before? How far did he run?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 14 July, 2016, 06:00:21 pm
A slight change in topic but it's worth mentioning that Froome dropped Quintana quite effortlessly and looked like he was still full of gas until the incident.
Quintana's short attacks in the final 8km today were very unimpressive.

Froome appears to have him beaten on climbs, descents, on TTs and in small breakaways.

Is it a matter of avoiding broken bones now?  He used one life up already today.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 14 July, 2016, 06:39:46 pm
Isn't there a penalty involved for progressing along the course without a bicycle?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 07:09:02 pm
Did I just hear some unsporting FOREIGNS booing C Froome on the podium?  Rotters.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TheLurker on 14 July, 2016, 07:24:31 pm
Was I Chris Froome I'd be dunning the UCI for 200euro and saying, "Told you so." to boot.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2016, 07:27:03 pm
Isn't there a penalty involved for progressing along the course without a bicycle?

I believe there is, although I don't know if it's clear how much distance you have to cover before the rule kicks in. I mean, any incident requiring a bike change is going to involve a certain amount of time on foot, so it's open to interpretation - besides, it's up to the commisaires how to apply the rules with regard to each individual incident, non?

And isn't the most important thing that you have your bike with you when you cross the finish line? Although even that has been interpreted liberally in the past - I'm sure I've seen cases of injured riders being carried over the line while someone else brings their bike.

I may be imagining it but did anyone else notice Porte nearly stop and give Froome his bike until he remembered which team he's on now?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 07:36:34 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

Didn't Jens Voigt once finish a stage on a clown-sized Mavic bike with toe straps after chinning an Alp (which spent a month in a coma)?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: StuAff on 14 July, 2016, 07:37:34 pm
Didn't Jens Voigt once finish a stage on a clown-sized Mavic bike with toe straps after chinning an Alp (which spent a month in a coma)?
Yup, was a kids' bike with junior gearing, 2010 I think.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2016, 07:41:48 pm
Apparently, the reason Froome was having problems with the neutral service bike was because it has Look pedals and he uses Shimano. They only carry bikes with Look pedals or flat pedals with toeclips.

Slight cock-up on the organisational front there.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2016, 07:47:04 pm
Apparently, the reason Froome was having problems with the neutral service bike was because it has Look pedals and he uses Shimano.

That would explain why he was actually able to jog up the road instead of doing the Look Duck-Walk.  ;D

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They only carry bikes with Look pedals or flat pedals with toeclips.

Slight cock-up on the organisational front there.  :facepalm:

I imagine that for full compatibility, the neutral service would need bikes with Look, Time, Shimano and Speedplay pedals... it would be easier to just have beartraps with toe clips.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 14 July, 2016, 07:58:38 pm
Top response from Adam Yates in the post race interview - "I wouldn't want to take the jersey in those circumstances" OWTTE.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 14 July, 2016, 08:19:58 pm
What.
The.
Actual.
Fuck!

That was stressful watching!

The shot of Porte going over the back of the motorbike was very illuminating tho!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 14 July, 2016, 08:21:52 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

I thought that too..
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 14 July, 2016, 08:23:54 pm
I am sure someone will know but would it be possible to pixelate out the runners? They aren't interested in the racing but only to get on telly.

Either that, or rounding up one or two of them and shooting them...especially the ones in Mankinis  :sick:

First to the wall should be the one who lit the flare on a forest road lined with spectators. 
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 14 July, 2016, 08:28:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Lf98S5W.jpg)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 14 July, 2016, 08:32:22 pm
I'm sure that somewhere in the team car there is some gaffa and the odd zip tie.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 14 July, 2016, 08:33:40 pm
Isn't there a penalty involved for progressing along the course without a bicycle?

I believe there is, although I don't know if it's clear how much distance you have to cover before the rule kicks in. I mean, any incident requiring a bike change is going to involve a certain amount of time on foot, so it's open to interpretation - besides, it's up to the commisaires how to apply the rules with regard to each individual incident, non?

A racer can take as much time as they like changing bikes but they aren't supposed to wander down the road without their bike while it happens.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2016, 08:44:17 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Lf98S5W.jpg)

McNasty wouldn't have let a mere scratch like that stop him.  Just a bunch of prima donnas, these pros ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 14 July, 2016, 08:46:24 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Lf98S5W.jpg)

McNasty wouldn't have let a mere scratch like that stop him.  Just a bunch of prima donnas, these pros ;D
Trouble with these new fangled materials is you can't get all Eugène Christophe or Garry von Broad on their as.s
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2016, 08:53:48 pm
A racer can take as much time as they like changing bikes but they aren't supposed to wander down the road without their bike while it happens.

Yeah, I know. It's a funny rule though. It's not like running in that situation really achieves much - it occurred to me that he might even have been better off running down the hill, back to the team car.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Pancho on 14 July, 2016, 09:02:47 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Lf98S5W.jpg)

Aren't you supposed to commandeer a smithy and beat it back into shape? Told you these newfangled carbon bikes weren't up to snuff.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mzjo on 14 July, 2016, 09:10:26 pm
A racer can take as much time as they like changing bikes but they aren't supposed to wander down the road without their bike while it happens.

Yeah, I know. It's a funny rule though. It's not like running in that situation really achieves much - it occurred to me that he might even have been better off running down the hill, back to the team car.

Except that you are not allowed to go the wrong way along the course - although I think a couple of riders in the Z team did do that to help Greg Lemond back on in a 90's Tour.

He also couldn't borrow a bike (or even a wheel) from a spectator any longer as it would not have been cleared by the commissaires (unless it was the bike of a belgian cyclo-crosser of course  :facepalm:). He is supposed to wait for his team car or a neutral machine or run, carrying his bike, until he is helped by his team, which he started to do before chucking the bike away as a hindrance. In the circumstances I think the jury probably put it down to panic in the heat of the moment; he did take a neutral bike when a commissaire told him he wasn't allowed to cross the line without one.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Séamas M. on 14 July, 2016, 09:14:06 pm
M. Virenque is rather more flexible in his attitude to Rules  ;D

I think we already knew that.. :demon: :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2016, 09:27:38 pm
Except that you are not allowed to go the wrong way along the course

Indeed, but since he's already decided to break the rules by running, he might as well go all in. (I should have added a smiley face to my earlier reply to LWaB to show I wasn't being entirely serious. Same applies here.)

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although I think a couple of riders in the Z team did do that to help Greg Lemond back on in a 90's Tour.

That does sound vaguely familiar.

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he did take a neutral bike when a commissaire told him he wasn't allowed to cross the line without one.

When did that happen? I saw a red car come past him while he was running (moments before Porte passed him) but didn't see anyone leaning out of the window telling him to stop or pick up his bike.

I imagine the jury's decision not to penalise him for running was based on the view that he didn't actually gain anything from it.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2016, 09:33:14 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

Two little boys had two little toys, each had a plastic bike...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Oaky on 14 July, 2016, 10:21:41 pm
They need a snowplough. Froome running has got to put him into your history. Had it ever happened before? How far did he run?

Combine harvester!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: red marley on 14 July, 2016, 10:25:05 pm
French attitude to rules FTW. Then there was Armstrong's shortcut across the field (https://youtu.be/haEbtHiUcBc) in 2003 to avoid Beloki. Clearly against the rules, gaining an advantage, but sensibly not penalised in the circumstances (of course he had been breaking more serious rules at the time).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: andrew_s on 15 July, 2016, 12:51:21 am
Isn't there a penalty involved for progressing along the course without a bicycle?
someone elsewhere quoted the rule book as follows:
The UCI rulebook only says:

1.2.108 Unless otherwise stated, each rider shall, in order to be classified, complete the race
entirely through his own effort, without the assistance of any other person.

1.2.109 The rider may cross the finish line on foot, provided that has his bicycle with him.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2016, 03:18:36 am
So teh Roolz don't actually say he had to have a bicycle with him at all times, only that he had to cross the line with one and no sneaky travelling by train/car/helichopter/jet-pack on the way.  So he hasn't actually broken them and everyone can go to bed happy, apart from N Quintana.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TheLurker on 15 July, 2016, 06:03:44 am
1.2.108 Unless otherwise stated, each rider shall, in order to be classified, complete the race
entirely through his own effort, without the assistance of any other person.

Hmmm, so to be _really_ pernickity about it (and throwing common sense out of the window) that means that teams should be forbidden, neutral service vehicles ditto and goodness only knows what else without the assistance of which no rider could complete the tour or any UCI governed race.

It also makes me wonder about the strict legality of sprint trains and the like.

Dearie me, but it's a fertile field for lawyers to play in.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 15 July, 2016, 08:16:51 am
So teh Roolz don't actually say he had to have a bicycle with him at all times

There's also 12.12.14, another one for the lawyers:

Inrng:

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12.12.14 says any “attempt to be placed without having covered the entire course by bicycle” brings elimination but the spirit here is more about what the rule calls “wilful deviation” ie taking a short cut or getting into a train or a car rather than jogging along.

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 15 July, 2016, 08:22:59 am
Interesting perspective from Van Garderen, one that wasn't picked up by Boardman et al, amybe because of all the excitement - from Cyclingnews...

"Mollema wasn't happy with the situation, but in turn van Garderen wasn't best pleased with Mollema, and criticised those who raced hard while Froome and Porte lay stricken by an accident that wasn't of their own making.

"Normally when you see a big GC guy in trouble the gentleman thing to do would be to stop and wait and regroup," said the 27-year-old. "You saw that a lot in the past but these days people just seem to want to take advantage of it."
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Si S on 15 July, 2016, 08:35:45 am
1.2.108 Unless otherwise stated, each rider shall, in order to be classified, complete the race
entirely through his own effort, without the assistance of any other person.

Hmmm, so to be _really_ pernickity about it (and throwing common sense out of the window) that means that teams should be forbidden, neutral service vehicles ditto and goodness only knows what else without the assistance of which no rider could complete the tour or any UCI governed race.

It also makes me wonder about the strict legality of sprint trains and the like.

Dearie me, but it's a fertile field for lawyers to play in.

There are other rules about what qualifies as outside assistance, e.g. Porte in the Giro last year and as far as sprint trains are concerned there was an objection by some teams when it was first used as a tactic and ruled to be legal.

I think ASO were in a no-win situation here. Movistar and Trek were always going to be unhappy with the times neutralised since historical precedent puts these things down as racing incident, Lucien van Impe arguably lost the tour after being hit a TV car, Merckxx punched by a spectator, etc.

Not neutralising the times would have left the door open to legitimising spectator interference. Don't like how the GC is shaping up? Stand to lose a lot of money on a bet? Get a mob together to impede your rider's rival and change the result.

Probably the least worse decision was taken.

The mistake I think was announcing the moved start so soon thus giving all the fans at top time to get down the mountain and then not putting up the usual 3km worth of barriers. Either put up enough barriers or tell the teams in the morning about the shortened stage but don't announce it publicly until during the stage then close the road down from the summit, yes you'd have had pissed off fans but at least you'd have had a legitimate race.

Interesting perspective from Van Garderen, one that wasn't picked up by Boardman et al, amybe because of all the excitement - from Cyclingnews...

"Mollema wasn't happy with the situation, but in turn van Garderen wasn't best pleased with Mollema, and criticised those who raced hard while Froome and Porte lay stricken by an accident that wasn't of their own making.

"Normally when you see a big GC guy in trouble the gentleman thing to do would be to stop and wait and regroup," said the 27-year-old. "You saw that a lot in the past but these days people just seem to want to take advantage of it."

I don't think Trek were in the mood to wait again, Spartacus had already held the race up once for Sky.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Oaky on 15 July, 2016, 08:38:07 am
This tweet (https://twitter.com/MrMarkFairhurst/status/753846507577552896?s=09) made me chuckle.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 15 July, 2016, 08:51:20 am

 Don't like how the GC is shaping up? Stand to lose a lot of money on a bet? Get a mob together to impede your rider's rival and change the result.


Which is what it seemed to me to happen a few years ago (2011 it seems from Goggling) on the Angliru when Froome and Wiggins were deliberately (it seemed to me) impeded by the crowd and Cobo went on to win the stage.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 15 July, 2016, 08:57:58 am
Do we think the TdF will go ahead today considering events in Nice ?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Russell on 15 July, 2016, 09:04:09 am
The official T de F website says that Chris Froome was victim of a mechanical in the finale.  Whilst that is true....

http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2016/us/stage-12/news/flm/de-gendt-wins-ventoux-stage-froome-has-a-big-fright.html (http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2016/us/stage-12/news/flm/de-gendt-wins-ventoux-stage-froome-has-a-big-fright.html)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 15 July, 2016, 09:05:16 am
I think yes.

One of the most moving events I've attended was the great north run just after the attack on the world trade centre - they asked for a minute's silence and contemplation. The crowd at that event is immense, just the competitors stretch for over a mile. The effect, the feeling, of so many people standing in silence was quite incredible.

I expect something similar (well, I hope) at the tdf.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 15 July, 2016, 09:14:38 am
Do we think the TdF will go ahead today considering events in Nice ?

Yes, it is going ahead. Suitable pauses for thought at various times, and extra security, but it has started.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 15 July, 2016, 09:32:17 am
Is it worth pointing out the dubious logic of running up the road whilst looking back over your shoulder for a car with a bike on the roof?

He should have actually run the other way (or taken his shoes off and really gone for it).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimO on 15 July, 2016, 09:40:11 am
Do we think the TdF will go ahead today considering events in Nice ?

I think it should, if I was actively involved in either the Tour or the events in Nice, that would certainly be my attitude.

If we avoidable change what we do, in response to such things, then the bastards have won.

Yes, if things like security require changes to be made then that's unavoidable, but otherwise "business as normal".
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 15 July, 2016, 09:42:03 am
Is it worth pointing out the dubious logic of running up the road whilst looking back over your shoulder for a car with a bike on the roof?

He should have actually run the other way (or taken his shoes off and really gone for it).

Reason why he did not run downhill has been covered at Post #284
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2016, 09:43:34 am
Is it worth pointing out the dubious logic of running up the road whilst looking back over your shoulder for a car with a bike on the roof?

He should have actually run the other way (or taken his shoes off and really gone for it).
If (and its quite a big if in this situation!) the car is moving faster than you can run, then running forwards makes more sense.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 15 July, 2016, 09:44:00 am
Stage has to go ahead.  Otherwise the bad guys have won.  Everyone is aware of that.  Tragic event and only talking yesterday that Nice is the place I visit time and time again.  Nothing will change for me and the TdF will take place today with due reverence and acknowledgement.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 15 July, 2016, 10:02:17 am
Interesting perspective from Van Garderen, one that wasn't picked up by Boardman et al, amybe because of all the excitement - from Cyclingnews...

"Mollema wasn't happy with the situation, but in turn van Garderen wasn't best pleased with Mollema, and criticised those who raced hard while Froome and Porte lay stricken by an accident that wasn't of their own making.

"Normally when you see a big GC guy in trouble the gentleman thing to do would be to stop and wait and regroup," said the 27-year-old. "You saw that a lot in the past but these days people just seem to want to take advantage of it."

Regardless of motives, if Mollema hadn't continued then there wouldn't have been a reference time to be awarded to Froome and Porte.

Apparently Froome slowed down to wait for Stannard and Rowe earlier in the stage after the Gerrans crash, and was not happy that Movistar continued riding hard. (As was their right, IMHO)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 15 July, 2016, 10:17:20 am
If we avoidable change what we do, in response to such things, then the bastards have won.

Exactly this.

I take some small consolation in the knowledge that members of ISIS, travelling around the world, are getting really pissed off by all the queues and delays, caused by security checks in airports.

Do you think they moan about it to each other?  I hope so.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 15 July, 2016, 10:33:09 am
Apparently Froome slowed down to wait for Stannard and Rowe earlier in the stage after the Gerrans crash, and was not happy that Movistar continued riding hard. (As was their right, IMHO)

So he stopped for a wee?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: P Walsh on 15 July, 2016, 10:54:25 am
The TdF continuing is the ideal way of showing defiance to those who want to disrupt normal life by attacking innocent people. It has to go on. Wherever possible, normal life must continue.

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2016, 11:08:24 am
The TdF continuing is the ideal way of showing defiance to those who want to disrupt normal life by attacking innocent people. It has to go on. Wherever possible, normal life must continue.
Hear-hear.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: RichMoss on 15 July, 2016, 11:46:33 am
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

I thought that too..
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: philip on 15 July, 2016, 12:00:20 pm
The commentary on the official T de F video is: "a few km from the finish the three men had to get off their bikes".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0BmPStxGWY
It's true as far as it goes...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Legs on 15 July, 2016, 12:22:23 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

I thought that too..
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)
See further down for the snippet of Team Sky feeding in the final few kms...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2016, 01:34:35 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

I thought that too..
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)
He could get into serious shit for that. Look at how much attention Aru(?) got from the commisaires earlier in the stage.

Then again, in all the chaos they may just ignore it! :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 15 July, 2016, 01:39:52 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

I thought that too..
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)
:o
How bloody blatant was that? Froome gets a fine for decking a moron spectator who nearly causes a crash, while quint gets away with a blatant tow when he hadn't had any problems?
Git. I hope he doesn't win so much as a single stage, ever.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 15 July, 2016, 02:13:02 pm
I thought Porte was about to give Froome a croggy to the finish, which would have made an interesting problem for the Blazers.

I thought that too..
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)
He could get into serious shit for that. Look at how much attention Aru(?) got from the commisaires earlier in the stage.

Then again, in all the chaos they may just ignore it! :)

Aru it was :-)  there must have been 5 or 6 whistles from the commisaire before he finally lost it with the Astana driver  ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2016, 04:13:42 pm
(Watches N Quintana being a Bad Man, wonders why C Froome did not sling his bike over his shoulder inna-cyclocross-stylee)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 15 July, 2016, 04:15:24 pm
Guardian reports
Quote
"There was video earlier of Richie Porte apparently having something thrown at him while on the bike, although the footage was inconclusive. Ben Brangwyn emails with more: “Yes, I have forensically examined the video, and here’s my CSI summary. There’s a guy in green on the left quite far out into the road towards the end of the vid. It’s not him, it’s the person two positions further on from him in a pale green top. You can see the arm movement and the trajectory of the object matches it. My ballistics colleagues concur. Science!”"

Can't find the video and this is the first I hear about it.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 15 July, 2016, 05:17:12 pm
After today's TT, Froome would have been back in yellow even if yesterday's result had stood.

Not that this will silence the boo-boys.  ::-)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimO on 15 July, 2016, 05:18:14 pm
Chris Froome's ride today was good, so obviously yesterday hasn't permanently affected him significantly, but Tom Dumoulin's day was spectacular, and he's definitely one to watch in the future.

Wining with over one minute even against Froome was impressive.  The not terribly flat time trial compared to many previous Tour ones, definitely didn't suit many riders, but didn't seem to upset Froome too much.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 15 July, 2016, 05:53:33 pm
Has Mollema's nose been tested to see if it meets UCI regs for aero profiles? :demon:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2016, 06:08:28 pm
T Dumoulin:O hai!  I am T Dumoulin and I am made of teh Win!
T Martin:Piss.
B Mollema:O hai!  I am B Mollema and I, also, am made of teh Win!
A Yates:Arse.
C Froome:O hai!  I am C Froome and I am made of major teh Win!
N Quintana:Where's me motorbike?
E Unzué:Not fair!  Dangerous!  Oh, wait, we've done that one...
N Muntz:Ha and, moreover, ha!
P Sagan:Crazy!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: SteveC on 15 July, 2016, 06:22:30 pm
The not terribly flat time trial compared to many previous Tour ones, definitely didn't suit many riders, but didn't seem to upset Froome too much.

Quote from: The Guardian
The organisers have tried to replicate the time trial in Rio, and this could turn into a dress rehearsal for Froome or Tom Dumoulin.

They weren't wrong there!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2016, 06:27:47 pm
Good to hear Ned taking the piss out of Super Dave's cliff-related faux pas.  We wouldn't have had that with Pinky & Perky ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: andrew_s on 15 July, 2016, 10:09:49 pm
talking of cliff-related faux pas, Julian Alaphilippe took time out today for a little climbing (http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160715_02387317)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 15 July, 2016, 10:47:02 pm
wow and only a plaster on the finger
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2016, 10:48:01 pm
At least he didn't suffer any "gros bobos", which I'm not going to plug into a FWSE :demon:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 16 July, 2016, 07:39:58 am
Quote
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)

Inconclusive IMHO.  He could be stabilising himself given the chaotic nature of the goings on, or even stopping himself running into the motorbike. Either way, look at his hand hold - it's very light and not one, IMO, that suggests he's taking a tow.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 16 July, 2016, 08:17:33 am
Quote
Meanwhile Quintana took a tow, hanging on to the mavic wheel motorbike
10 seconds in on the vid below
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673 (https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673)

Inconclusive IMHO.  He could be stabilising himself given the chaotic nature of the goings on, or even stopping himself running into the motorbike. Either way, look at his hand hold - it's very light and not one, IMO, that suggests he's taking a tow.
It's a 9% gradient, he's barely pedalling, look at how hard everyone else is working. He's getting a tow.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: phil653 on 16 July, 2016, 08:53:14 am
Remarkably low rate of attrition it seems this year: so far only 11 abandons/dns out of 196 starters. And it's 2/3 done. Simon Gerrans sustained a broken collar bone in that off, but still finished the stage - they're made of stern stuff - whereas poor Edward Theuns was a victim of that N. wind, which they'll be riding into today.

(http://cycling-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Edward-Theuns-crash.jpg)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 16 July, 2016, 11:31:58 am
Remarkably low rate of attrition it seems this year: so far only 11 abandons/dns out of 196 starters. And it's 2/3 done. Simon Gerrans sustained a broken collar bone in that off, but still finished the stage - they're made of stern stuff - whereas poor Edward Theuns was a victim of that N. wind, which they'll be riding into today.

(http://cycling-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Edward-Theuns-crash.jpg)

That's the trouble with these ultra light machines a puff of wind and they're blown away from under you.  And so undignified.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 July, 2016, 04:17:17 pm
Considering how little is actually happening, TV's N Boulting and Super D Millar are doing an excellent job, though they're not very clued-up on pelicans.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 16 July, 2016, 04:22:28 pm
Did you see this earlier?

(http://www.facteurcheval.com/assets/images/b/CHE_0264-cc714a3b.jpg)

Pretty damned cool I thought.


http://www.facteurcheval.com/en/index.html
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 July, 2016, 04:36:35 pm
Super D Millar did mention it but I don't think it actually appeared on the BRITONS' TV, unless I was getting another cup of Brown Drink at the time.  It may be even more bonkers than the Junkerhaus in Detmold (D).
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 16 July, 2016, 05:06:27 pm
OMG. Destroyed them!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 16 July, 2016, 05:08:35 pm
Yep, made it look easy. Textbook stuff.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 July, 2016, 05:19:37 pm
N Boulting:O hai!  I am TV's N Boulting and there is nothing to see here.  Move along!
SD Millar:O hai!  I am TV's Super D Millar and I... ooh look!  A château!
[Later...]
N Boulting:Ooh look!  Pelicans!  They like fish.  I think.
M Kitteh:So do I.  Also, miaow!
[Much later...]
N Boulting:Ooh look!  Flamingoes!  Sometimes I hate this job!
SD Millar:Cheer up, TV's N Boulting!  Soon teh futile break will be caught, teh teams of teh sprinters will start to wind up teh pace and R McEwen will call teh result.  Wrongly.  Again.
N Boulting:R McEwen tipped M Cavendish.  Piss.  Ooh look!  Medieval fish farms!
M Kitteh:Stop teh race!  I iz hungry!  Nom nom nom!  Also, miaow!
N Boulting:Some riders are off teh back of teh pelican.  Peloton!  Arse!
[Much, much later...]
M Cavendish:O hai!  I am M Cavendish and I am made of teh Win!  LOL @ M Kitteh!!1!
M Kitteh:You utter git, M Cavendish!  I am going to get my Dad teh U See Eye onto you!  Also, miaow!
Teh UCI:Shut ur gob, M Kitteh!  U are full of teh FAIL!
R McEwen:Told u! Neener neener and, moreover, neener!
P Sagan:Do I get to say "Crazy!" today?
Omnes:Shut up, P Sagan!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 16 July, 2016, 05:37:01 pm
Mr Larrington should take over ITV4 wie. Or, better (as I'm in Nigeria atm), Supersport S4.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 16 July, 2016, 06:48:50 pm
Cardinal Boulting: “No one expects the Commentators' Intermission! Our chief weapon is surprise, sweet FA going on in the race and surprise; two chief weapons, sweet FA going on in the race, surprise, and a Directeur Sportif with a few minutes to spare! Er, among our chief weapons are: sweet FA going on in the race, surprise, a Directeur Sportif with a few minutes to spare, and controversial events on a previous stage to discuss! Ach, you know the drill...”
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 17 July, 2016, 01:03:21 pm
Every so often the French commentators mention an apparently-Russian rider called Adamiets.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 July, 2016, 01:37:15 pm
Not to mention TV's R McEwen talking about "Team Dimension DAR-ta".
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 17 July, 2016, 01:38:52 pm
Not to mention TV's R McEwen talking about "Team Dimension DAR-ta".

Hey, careful. That's how we speak down under! My wife likes to take the piss out of me for that one.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 17 July, 2016, 05:22:06 pm
I understand that his mother has been fatally involved in an incident with a 4x4 whilst she was cycling.
https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/754708455622049792

:(
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 17 July, 2016, 05:36:52 pm
Meanwhile, the question on everyone's lips is: the "family emergency" that TV's C Boardman has had to go home for, is it a case of double pneumonia afflicting the unhappy G Boardman?

(http://legslarry.org.uk/BikeStull/coat_48.png)

I understand that his mother has been fatally involved in an incident with a 4x4 whilst she was cycling.

If that is the case it is tragic and our sympathy must be with CB.

Ironic that his mother should be involved with an incident while cycling after all the campaigning CB does to make cycling safer.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 17 July, 2016, 05:40:22 pm
Gutted for the family :(
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 July, 2016, 05:47:37 pm
In the light of fresh information I have removed my original post.  Deepest sympathies to C Boardman & family.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: hellymedic on 17 July, 2016, 05:48:46 pm
Just gutted.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 July, 2016, 06:17:58 pm
Meanwhile, le Tour goes on...

R Majka:O hai! I am R Majka and I am made of teh Win! I can haz teh spottyjumper?
TD Gendt:You utter git, R Majka!
[Some time later...]
T Dumoulin:O hai! I am T Dumoulin and I, also, am made of teh Win! Oh. Piss!
V Nibbles:Not yet u r not, T Dumoulin! Oh. Arse!
[Quite a lot later...]
J Alaphilippe:O hai! I am J Alaphilippe and I am made of teh ANGRY! RAAWWRRR!
YACF:Doesn't look much like a narwhal, does he?
[Much, much too late...]
R Bardet:O hai! I am R Bardet and I am made of...oh! I haz lost my specs. Game over. Or is it? OR IS IT??
Omnes:Yes, R Bardet. Yes, it is.
JJ Jarlinsson:O hai, R Majka! I am Jarlin J Jarlinsson, teh Columbian Viking, and I, too, am made of teh Win! Call me "Jar-Jar" and I will kill u utterly to DETH!
R Majka:O hai, JJ Jarlinsson! [Thinks: I thought I had killed u utterly to DETH! Bum-grapes!]
[Shortly afterwards...]
JJ Jarlinsson:LOL @ R Majka!!1!
R Majka:You utter git, JJ Jarlinsson!
J Alaphilippe:RAAWWRRR!!1! [Gallic shruggery] Mais tomorreau, she iz anozzer day...
Omnes:Heavens to Betsy! It's SO Hara!
TV Garderen:Piss!
R Porte:LOL @ TV Garderen! TP Fairy, teh bloody motorbikes and teh Rubbishs time-trial will not stop my inexorable rise to a mediocre finishing position!
N Quintana:Mmmpfffmmmpp!1
[Too late for ITV...]
P Sagan:O hai! Cr...
Omnes:Shut up, P Sagan!

1: "Arse!" run through teh Kennyspeak translator (http://www.namesuppressed.com/kenny/)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 17 July, 2016, 09:37:44 pm
M. Larrington FTW.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Torslanda on 18 July, 2016, 07:46:09 am
What was Mike the Cool Person's comment about Shakespeare?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 18 July, 2016, 12:52:06 pm
Meanwhile, France TV Direct's streaming service is treating us to views of divers casual persons hopping on & off the podium in Bern to have their photies tuk, while Jaja & C° cough, scratch & fart off-camera.  And someone just did up a zip.

. . . .

Young Pantano's got a right set of tombstones though, hasn't he?

. . . .

France TV now rabbiting on about museums.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mzjo on 18 July, 2016, 02:00:14 pm
Meanwhile, France TV Direct's streaming service is treating us to views of divers casual persons hopping on & off the podium in Bern to have their photies tuk, while Jaja & C° cough, scratch & fart off-camera.  And someone just did up a zip.

. . . .

Young Pantano's got a right set of tombstones though, hasn't he?

. . . .

France TV now rabbiting on about museums.

But les Rois de la Pédale had Greg Lemond rabbiting on about museums (and how his first bike was a Schwinn)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 18 July, 2016, 02:01:32 pm
Meanwhile, France TV Direct's streaming service is treating us to views of divers casual persons hopping on & off the podium in Bern to have their photies tuk, while Jaja & C° cough, scratch & fart off-camera.  And someone just did up a zip.

. . . .

Do you know that there is a highlights program available? Noone is forcing you to watch that nonsense!

:P
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 18 July, 2016, 02:02:39 pm
I understand that his mother has been fatally involved in an incident with a 4x4 whilst she was cycling.
https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/754708455622049792

:(
There is now a dedicated thread for this tragedy:

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=98529.0
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 July, 2016, 02:56:58 pm
Say after me, TV's N Boulting: I must learn the difference between short-arsed painter HT Lautrec and bonkers lobster-fancier GD Nerval.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Riggers on 18 July, 2016, 03:03:31 pm
As a tongue-twister, that's a stinker.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 18 July, 2016, 03:30:14 pm
As a tongue-twister, that's a stinker.

Rrrrrrrrrroberé H'atch (currently doing the 5Live comms with Rob Hayles) would manage it.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Oaky on 18 July, 2016, 03:34:03 pm
ObCommentary - Carlton Kirby: "Berne, baby, Berne"
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 18 July, 2016, 04:17:04 pm
But les Rois de la Pédale had Greg Lemond rabbiting on about museums (and how his first bike was a Schwinn)

Pédale being French slang for pederasty...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Riggers on 18 July, 2016, 04:26:52 pm
Saggers again!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 July, 2016, 04:34:35 pm
Is TV's N Boulting getting backhanders from the Berne tourist board?

Edit: Yay! Jens Voigt :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 18 July, 2016, 05:08:35 pm
The Bruce Dickinson called - he said today's stage needed more cowbell.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 July, 2016, 06:01:31 pm
T Martin:O hai! I am T Martin and, in spite of teh recent lack of evidence for teh defence, am made of teh Win!
J Alaphilippe:O hai and, moreover, RAAAWWWRRR! I am J Alaphilippe and I haz teh strop about, well, everything! Bike trouble, Brexit, P Sagan, climate change, J Corbyn, this year's vendage, Turkey, teh bloody awful Warsaw Concerto, ect. ect. u name it. Permission to say "RAAAWWWRRR" again?
B Holm:If u must, J Alaphilippe, if u must!
J Alaphilippe:RAAAWWWRRR!
[Meanwhile...]
N Boulting:O hai! I am TV's N Boulting, and he who would cross teh Bridge of Death Pont du Carrousel must answer me these questions three ere teh other side he see! What is ur name?
SD Millar:O hai! I am TV's Super D Millar!
N Boulting:What is ur quest?
SD Millar:I seek, er, teh interview with teh S Partacus!
N Boulting:WHAT...is teh capital of CANADA?
SD Millar:Montréal? Toronto? Vancouver? Moose Jaw? Tuktuyaaqtuuq? [...] AAARRRGGGH!
[Much, much later...]
T Martin:Bai, J Alaphilippe!
J Alaphilippe:RAAAWWWRRR! Thank u, T Martin! I feel better now and tomorreau, she iz anozzer day!
Omnes:Shut up, J Alaphilippe!
M Kitteh:Noes! I haz been teh dropped by teh pelican! Peloton! Piss! Also, miaow!
T Martin:Meh!
[Later...]
RFD Costa:O hai! I am Mayberry RFD Costa and I am ma...oh! U lot took ur time, eh?
M Cavendish:Arse!
P Sagan:O hai! Me again! LOL, for sure and, moreover, Crazy!
S Partacus:You utter git, P Sagan!
J Voigt:O hai! I am TV's J Voigt and I redefine teh word "Win"!
Omnes:Hurrah! Albeit a slightly muted one.
P Sagan:Oi! Only one of us pwned teh stage today!
B Dickinson:This stage needs more cowbell! Also, can I play with madness?
S Uggs:No, B Dickinson! No, you cannot!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 18 July, 2016, 06:22:43 pm
;D ;D ;D

Challenge: Get Ned to ask SuperDave if he knows what is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 18 July, 2016, 08:00:10 pm
I want a T-shaped shirt like the one TV's J Voigt was wearing at the end of the highlights programme.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 July, 2016, 08:07:13 pm
O Tinkov:You are not riding for me next year, P Sagan!  Oh, wait...

Apparently O Tinkov has threatened to not pull the plug on the team after all in the light of the continuing success of Crazy P Sagan
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2016, 09:28:56 am
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8084/28406969225_541777e6b3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Khe9gt)

Do pelicans actually have webbed feet?

N Boulting:Yes. Yes, they do!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Oaky on 19 July, 2016, 09:44:20 am
Thanks to Mr Larrington, I believe this is easily the best yacf TdF thread ever!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: fuzzy on 19 July, 2016, 11:49:05 am
Edit: Yay! Jens Voigt :thumbsup:

We need iTV4 to manufacture an opportunity for TEH JENS to utter that immortal phrase "Shut up Ned!"
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2016, 12:06:24 pm
Edit: Yay! Jens Voigt :thumbsup:

We need iTV4 to manufacture an opportunity for TEH JENS to utter that immortal phrase "Shut up Ned!"

That will, I imagine, have to wait until hostilities are resumed tomorreau tomorrow, though I'm sure both TV's J Voigt and TV's N Boulting are on Twitter, which I am not.  However:

W Pigs:O hai! It iz teh rest day and I, W Pigs, am missing my daily fix ov teh Tour de France! Plz to help. Kthxbai!
G Imlach:O hai, W Pigs! U will have 2 wait for teh highlights prog with me, TV's G Imlach! Soz!
W Pigs:O noes!!1! You utter git, G Imlach!
ML Maire:Not so fast, G Imlach! P@nd3m1c Pr0duct10nz(™®) presents teh utterly condensed highlights ov teh first week anna bit ov teh Tour de France, which also lifts sagging breasts, reverses male pattern baldness and cures heroin addiction1! Even includes teh first rest day in case u missed it!
Omnes:Yay! LOL @ G Imlach!!1! U haz been pwned!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: fuzzy on 19 July, 2016, 12:45:29 pm
Edit: Yay! Jens Voigt :thumbsup:

We need iTV4 to manufacture an opportunity for TEH JENS to utter that immortal phrase "Shut up Ned!"

That will, I imagine, have to wait until hostilities are resumed tomorreau tomorrow, though I'm sure both TV's J Voigt and TV's N Boulting are on Twitter, which I am not. 

Mebbe's we can have a [size7pt]TEH JENS[/size] and Ned rest day guide to "The Breakaway" with  [size7pt]TEH JENS[/size] trying to teach Ned how to do it, Ned trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about and  [size7pt]TEH JENS[/size] saying ........ ?

P.S. The rest of your post is a) Made of  [size7pt]TEH WIN[/size] and b) Crazy :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 19 July, 2016, 12:55:38 pm
Can we get M Larrington, TEH BEAR JENSIE and Kenny Van Vlaminck (https://twitter.com/kvanvlaminck) their own TV show?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Clare on 19 July, 2016, 01:16:46 pm
I want a T-shaped shirt like the one TV's J Voigt was wearing at the end of the highlights programme.

That and many more stuffs here:

https://www.shutuplegs.com/eu/en/

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2016, 02:49:03 pm
@fuzzy: you may find these useful

====

 ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 19 July, 2016, 02:59:58 pm
Edit: Yay! Jens Voigt :thumbsup:

We need iTV4 to manufacture an opportunity for TEH JENS to utter that immortal phrase "Shut up Ned!"

That will, I imagine, have to wait until hostilities are resumed tomorreau tomorrow, though I'm sure both TV's J Voigt and TV's N Boulting are on Twitter, which I am not.  However:

W Pigs:O hai! It iz teh rest day and I, W Pigs, am missing my daily fix ov teh Tour de France! Plz to help. Kthxbai!
G Imlach:O hai, W Pigs! U will have 2 wait for teh highlights prog with me, TV's G Imlach! Soz!
W Pigs:O noes!!1! You utter git, G Imlach!
ML Maire:Not so fast, G Imlach! P@nd3m1c Pr0duct10nz(™®) presents teh utterly condensed highlights ov teh first week anna bit ov teh Tour de France, which also lifts sagging breasts, reverses male pattern baldness and cures heroin addiction1! Even includes teh first rest day in case u missed it!
Omnes:Yay! LOL @ G Imlach!!1! U haz been pwned!

Fame, roll out the red carpet, at last - Mr Larrington quoted me \o/
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2016, 03:01:35 pm
I want a T-shaped shirt like the one TV's J Voigt was wearing at the end of the highlights programme.

That and many more stuffs here:

https://www.shutuplegs.com/eu/en/

Thirty quid for a T-shaped shirt :o :o  Ur having teh giraffe, TV's J Voigt!

Plus I'm not entirely sure about that "University of Clycling" place.  I trust the designer of the webby SCIENCE has already been sent down.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 19 July, 2016, 03:51:34 pm
And the award for the most bizarre non-selection at the Olympics goes to....

Cardinal Thing: No one expects the Selectors' Reconsideration! Our chief weapon is surprise, a previous Olympic selection withdrawing and surprise; two chief weapons, a previous Olympic selection withdrawing, surprise, and..."

Omnes: Yeah, yeah, we got it the first time!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cummings-replaces-kennaugh-on-british-cyclings-team-for-olympic-games/
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 19 July, 2016, 08:26:28 pm
And Cav pulls out. Not totally surprising given the next 4 days profile.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2016, 08:37:12 pm
Second Rest Day

G Imlach:O hai! I am TV's G Imlach and I am made of teh Win! And a speshul "O hai" to W Pigs of Denmark and Yorkshire!
Omnes:U lie, TV's G Imlach! U woz pwned good and proper!
G Imlach:Yes, OK, u win. In the absence of TV's C Boardman we iz not joined by TV's J Voigt because he was afraid we would use one, or moar, ov his many many children 4 teh medical experiments!
[Earlier...]
J Voigt:O hai! I am TV's J Voigt and I am made of teh Win! U better b careful, G Imlach! My youngest haz moar Winnage than u, u grate ponce, and s/he1 iz younger than teh F MacArthur (6) von teh Buckshireland!
G Imlach:So there u haz it!  And now TV's Super D Millar!
SD Millar:Blah blah blah C Froome blah M Cavendish blah blah P Sagan blah! And now a word from N Quintana.
N Quintana:Piss!
N Boulting:O hai! I am TV's N Boulting and here iz 5 minutes of time-wasting guff in teh absence of TV's C Boardman and TV's J Voigt. Blah!
D Friebe:O hai! I am TV's D Friebe and I am made of teh Win Wood!
M Rendall:O hai! Je bin el M Rendall d'il televisio, en mi blong teh Sieg Heil! Er, wait, that's not right, is it?
Various Cyclists:Blah!
L Armistead:O hai! I am L Armistead and I am made of teh Win! Not that ud kno it coz I iz not on teh fucking TV! I can plz quote J Alaphilippe?  RAAAWWWWRRRR!2
B Hinault:O hai! Je suis le Blaireau et teh J Alaphilippe haz teh lot to learn about teh mardy!
O Tinkov:Ur all bastards! LOL!!1! Also, simples!
SD Millar:Blah blah blah C Froome blah R Porte blah blah A Yates blah! U liek my hat?
Omnes:Shut up, SD Millar!
[Credits roll over teh cringe-inducing choice of teh musick...]

1: Intertubes not forthcoming on relative ages of Voigtlettas and Voigtlets.
2: L Armistead would liek to appypollyloggy for teh shoking language, but isn't going to.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 19 July, 2016, 08:42:19 pm
Oi!  Mr L the ITV TdF music is traditional now. It's like F1 using "The Chain" it wouldnt be the same without it.

Well OK it may be a bit crap but it does sort of sound French and it's forever associated with the TdF by everyone in the UK.

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2016, 08:47:44 pm
It's not the Variations on a Theme of Frere-er Jacques-er I object to, it's the different rubbishes they play over the end credits.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: bobb on 19 July, 2016, 09:43:26 pm
So... Cav's packed  :(

Edit: But Cummings is now going to the Lympics!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 19 July, 2016, 10:11:07 pm
M. Larrington needs a book deal  ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 20 July, 2016, 12:13:30 am
The Intertubes’s Mr Larrington is prodigiously talented. Perhaps he already has a book of some sort out?

I was surprised by Cavendish’s withdrawal. He must have fancied his chances on the Champs-Élysées. And more importantly, Merckx’s record of Tour wins is (was?) within reach if he grabs every opportunity. Surely that record is worth more than even a gold medal at the Olympics? And a gold medal is anyway very far from guaranteed. Not even bronze is guaranteed.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 July, 2016, 12:37:18 am
I'm loving the Adam Yates interviews. I can't work out if he's not being made a fuss of because his brother failed a drugs test, or because he's completely incomprehensible for anyone not from East Lancashire.
Ned Boulting tried speaking very slowly to him, but got the usual machine gun rattle of words and particles of speech in return.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 20 July, 2016, 12:39:06 am
I was surprised by Cavendish’s withdrawal. He must have fancied his chances on the Champs-Élysées. And more importantly, Merckx’s record of Tour wins is (was?) within reach if he grabs every opportunity. Surely that record is worth more than even a gold medal at the Olympics? And a gold medal is anyway very far from guaranteed. Not even bronze is guaranteed.

There was no way that Cav was going to equal Merckx, never mind surpass his record, in this tour. Take a look at the stage profiles for Wednesday through to Saturday - they are all in the mountains, so at best, Cav would have one more chance for a stage win on Sunday, and that would leave him 3 behind.

Cav's got unfinished business with the Olympics and Rio is probably his last chance, whereas he is still good for a couple more Tours at least, giving him plenty of opportunities to carve his own niche in cycling history.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 20 July, 2016, 02:24:14 am
I meant he had a good chance of winning in Paris, not beating the breakaway specialists and GC boys over the Alps. But every chance of a Tour win from now on must be seized to threaten the Merckx record. I guess I’m less confident than you are that he can take the record in the time remaining to him. He needs another four wins to equal the record; five to break it. On 2015 form, that would probably not happen. On his revived form, the odds are obviously much better. But can he hold that, and will Kittel shake off his funk? And there are hoards of young sprinters snapping at his heels.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 20 July, 2016, 08:03:32 am
If there's rain in Paris then there's a good chance of crashing on the cobbles and not being in the Olympics, so it's probably the better choice.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 20 July, 2016, 08:12:32 am
Cav's got unfinished business with the Olympics and Rio is probably his last chance, whereas he is still good for a couple more Tours at least, giving him plenty of opportunities to carve his own niche in cycling history.

That's exactly as I see it spesh. I can understand people's disappointment but equally can see that from Cavendish's perspective it really was the thing to do. It doesn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 20 July, 2016, 08:43:01 am
Same here, and spending a week hauling himself over the Alps just for a crack at one more stage win this Tour probably isn't the "optimum" training plan for Rio.

I'm sure it's a head/heart thing - Cav's definitely got Eddie's record in mind and the Champs definitely seems to be special to him, but it'll have to wait until next year anyway and it's not worth compromising his chances at Rio.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 20 July, 2016, 08:48:07 am
Well if he is as on form next year as he is this he could take the record on the Champs next year. Unlikely but a possibility.
I think he will get the record but in 2018.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 20 July, 2016, 08:58:09 am
It always rankles a bit, though, when someone you've been watching with anticipation DNFs for strategic reasons.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 20 July, 2016, 08:58:59 am
It seems unlikely that he’ll repeat this year’s success next year, and all the more so if he is putting himself under pressure to equal the record. Knowing Cavendish, that could be a recipe for frustration, anger, and crashes.

If I had to predict, I’d say Rio will be a disaster – bronze at best – and he will end his career just short of breaking the Merckx record and always wondering if Rio was worth it.

Of course I hope otherwise.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 20 July, 2016, 09:10:19 am
It'd be a laugh if they changed the cycling route to do a bunch of cols and a long climbing finish.  There are a few cols at over 1600m in the hinterlands.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 20 July, 2016, 09:34:51 am
It'd be a laugh if they changed the cycling route to do a bunch of cols and a long climbing finish.  There are a few cols at over 1600m in the hinterlands.

Well as Cav's entered in the track squad, I suppose it'd make a change from just turning left all the time...  ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 July, 2016, 09:43:32 am
Stop teh Press!

M Cavendish:O hai! I am M Cavendish and I am made of teh Win! Also I haz teh RISPEK 4 teh Tour de France! Big-time RISPEK. Innit. Right, I iz off.  See u in Brazil, suxx0rz!
M Kitteh:O hai ect. ect. Yay! Also, miaow!
A Greipel:O hai ect. ect. Teh aces! Now I can haz teh Win in teh Paris!
P Sagan:Not if I haz anything 2 do with it, u big lout! Teh win in teh Paris - now that's what I call Crazy Volume 116!
E Merckx:O hai! I am E Merckx and I am teh Platonic ideal ov teh Win! Bof, you Eenglish! I do not care if teh M Cavendish winz teh FIFTY stages!  He haz not teh Winnage liek me, E Merckx!

Anyway, the Olympic road race course looks quite alarmingly Scenic as it is, which is why the likes of Valverde and Nibbles are being touted for teh Win.  Not that the lumps will bother Cav, obv.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 20 July, 2016, 09:51:29 am
It's Cav's decision and only he will what is best for him along with all his advisors including Team GB. What we may think is irrelevant in the bigger picture.  The whole point of being a 'fan' is to share any joy or disappointment. I wish him well at the forthcoming Olympics and congratulate him on a successful TdF.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: trekker12 on 20 July, 2016, 09:58:58 am


Anyway, the Olympic road race course looks quite alarmingly Scenic as it is, which is why the likes of Valverde and Nibbles are being touted for teh Win.  Not that the lumps will bother Cav, obv.

I thought Cav was going to race on the track and do the Omnium or somesuch? He's not going to win the road race. Even Sagan is made of teh win on the mountain bike course instead.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 20 July, 2016, 10:33:05 am
Cav is nothing to do with the Olympic road squad; he's the Omnium man. He won the last big international event in Lithuania, and won the Madison World Champonship with one Sir Bradley Wiggins. So he's got the pedigree, it's a prize missing from his palmares, and he's unlikely to get another go in four years' time. So, given that the Olympics are just around the corner, putting himself through a week in the high mountains just to possibly get one more stage would be pretty daft.

Also, he now knows that his track training has done his sprinting a power of good, so he probably has a rather better plan for next year...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 July, 2016, 10:33:33 am
Cav is indeed on the track, riding the Omnium, and not even Cav can complain about the hills on a velodrome.  Can he?

Edit: pwned by teh TimC, who is teh bassist out ov RATM & Audioslave made ov teh Win.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Oaky on 20 July, 2016, 10:52:56 am
Cav is indeed on the track, riding the Omnium, and not even Cav can complain about the hills on a velodrome.  Can he?

Edit: pwned by teh TimC, who is teh bassist out ov RATM & Audioslave made ov teh Win.

Maybe N Quintana should enter the Keirin with his ninja motorbike following skillz.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 July, 2016, 10:57:06 am
He's about as expressive as the average ninja too.  He makes TV's D Friebe look like Daffy Duck.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 20 July, 2016, 11:20:02 am
I think it is a brilliant thing he did. He always wanted to do the O'pics and he is in top form. He is clearly not in a climbing mood this year, just look at the arrival times on the last lumpy stages. He is just doing what Froomy has done, timed his form for Le Tour and the O'pics. Now Cav go and win that Gold medallion you always wanted.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 20 July, 2016, 11:27:40 am
It always rankles a bit, though, when someone you've been watching with anticipation DNFs for strategic reasons.

I still enjoyed watching Cippolini though
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 20 July, 2016, 11:59:02 am
Cav is indeed on the track, riding the Omnium, and not even Cav can complain about the hills on a velodrome.  Can he?

Edit: pwned by teh TimC, who is teh bassist out ov RATM & Audioslave made ov teh Win.

Damn, spotted. Killing In The Name was my high point!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 20 July, 2016, 12:13:36 pm
Cav is indeed on the track, riding the Omnium, and not even Cav can complain about the hills on a velodrome.  Can he?

Edit: pwned by teh TimC, who is teh bassist out ov RATM & Audioslave made ov teh Win.

Maybe N Quintana should enter the Keirin with his ninja motorbike following skillz.

Bastard. That was a freshly made coffee I'll have you know.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 20 July, 2016, 12:56:53 pm
So, given that the Olympics are just around the corner, putting himself through a week in the high mountains just to possibly get one more stage would be pretty daft.

The reason he called pulling out of the Tour “one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in my career” was not that one of the choices was “pretty daft”. Come on, now.

I think he’ll live to regret this decision, but I guess the Olympics mean a lot to him. I think the all-time Tour wins record is far more important than even a gold medal, but maybe he’s cocky enough to think he can do that after Rio.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 July, 2016, 01:16:18 pm
I'm surprised that more isn't being made of Bury Clarion having a rider in the top three places in the Tour de France.
I think it's got something of 'The Victor' or 'The Valiant' about it.
https://clarioncc.org/about-the-national-clarion/clarion-cycling-in-the-news/
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 20 July, 2016, 01:19:58 pm
I'm surprised that more isn't being made of Bury Clarion having a rider in the top three places in the Tour de France.
I think it's got something of 'The Victor' or 'The Valiant' about it.
https://clarioncc.org/about-the-national-clarion/clarion-cycling-in-the-news/
Why the surprise - are they a particularly sh1te club?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 July, 2016, 01:25:49 pm
I was thinking more of the socialist leanings of this forum, and the presence a member called Clarion. All the attention is focused on an ex-bank clerk from the Isle of Man, and a Kenyan-born colonial, educated at a public school in South Africa.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 20 July, 2016, 01:27:48 pm
So, given that the Olympics are just around the corner, putting himself through a week in the high mountains just to possibly get one more stage would be pretty daft.

The reason he called pulling out of the Tour “one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in my career” was not that one of the choices was “pretty daft”. Come on, now.

I think he’ll live to regret this decision, but I guess the Olympics mean a lot to him. I think the all-time Tour wins record is far more important than even a gold medal, but maybe he’s cocky enough to think he can do that after Rio.

I stand by what I said. Before the race, Cav was widely anticipated to leave the Tour after the second week so he could concentrate on the Olympics. Because he won 4 stages, some got a bit carried away and hoped that he'd go for the Champs sprint on the final stage. But he's dedicated this year to training for the Olympics, and he wasn't going to throw that away for just one more stage win. He has 30 already, yet he has no Olympic medals. So, yes, it would have been daft to risk his Olympic potential by carrying on.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 01:31:32 pm
So, given that the Olympics are just around the corner, putting himself through a week in the high mountains just to possibly get one more stage would be pretty daft.

The reason he called pulling out of the Tour “one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in my career” was not that one of the choices was “pretty daft”. Come on, now.

I think he’ll live to regret this decision, but I guess the Olympics mean a lot to him. I think the all-time Tour wins record is far more important than even a gold medal, but maybe he’s cocky enough to think he can do that after Rio.

I agree. The Olympics in general are overrated, and track cycling is for kids.  :demon:

But seriously... I understand the historical reasons why we have a focus on track cycling and time trials in this country but road racing is the pinnacle of the sport, the Tour is the pinnacle of road racing, and the Champs-Elysees stage is the most glamorous and prestigious single stage you can win in the Tour.

For a British audience, an Olympic medal matters, but to a wider international cycling audience, it's what he's achieved in the Tour that Cav will be most remembered for (that and MSR and the World title, of course). Winning in Paris four times is already an unprecedented achievement. Winning it five times would further cement his legend.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 20 July, 2016, 01:31:33 pm
but maybe he’s cocky enough to think he can do that after Rio.

That's one interpretation albeit it not one that I'd go with. Personally, I think you underestimate the value of a Games medal to him.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 01:37:48 pm
Personally, I think you underestimate the value of a Games medal to him.

It's bizarre when you think of what he has achieved already that such a relatively minor achievement should be so important to him, but that's because of his upbringing within British Cycling, where the importance of Olympic medals is drilled into them from an early age. And the reason BC were always so medal-focused is because of the government funding it brought to the sport.

I imagined the achievements of Sky in the last few years meant that we'd moved on as a nation from that way of looking at cycling - it's great that you now see many more young British cyclists (eg Adam Yates and Hugh Carthy) making a name for themselves as pure road riders rather than track alumni.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 01:40:55 pm
As a slight aside, I don't know if this proves anything, but looking at the history of British cyclists, I'd guess more people these days know of Tom Simpson than Reg Harris.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 20 July, 2016, 01:45:46 pm
Cav's legend is alive and well, and will be done no harm by an Olympic medal. And he will of course be back at the Tour next year, and who'd bet against him bagging at least a couple of stages - possibly including the Champs Elysées. There ain't no Olympics next year...

The status of cycling at the Olympics has come on in leaps and bounds over the last 10 or 15 years, and track cycling in general has regained some of the status it had in the 1900s. Cav's a Brit, and all his mates have an Olympic medal. He's seen what that's done for their rep in UK, and he wants some of that. And his failure to get a medal in 2008 has gnawed away at him for 8 years. He needs to do this.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 July, 2016, 01:46:50 pm
Yates had his earliest results on the track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yates_(cyclist)#Palmar.C3.A8s
as did Tom Simpson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Simpson#Major_results  and of course Bradley Wiggins.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Karla on 20 July, 2016, 01:53:18 pm
Like Samuel D said, Cav needs to take every chance he can get if he wants to beat Merckx's record.  He'll know that dropping out now is a risk.  He'll have balanced that against the increased risk to medalling at Rio. 

Take a look at his palmares:

Road world champion
Track world champion
Points jersey winner at all grand tours
GC jersey wearer at all grand tours
Classic winner

There's one thing missing: an olympic medal.  He'll have decided that getting that medal means more to him than getting one more TdF stage when he already has 30, so it's a risk he's willing to take.  You could argue it either way, but I can see why he made the choice he did.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 02:01:22 pm
Yates had his earliest results on the track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yates_(cyclist)#Palmar.C3.A8s
as did Tom Simpson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Simpson#Major_results  and of course Bradley Wiggins.

All the great pro road riders started on the track, and many of them continued to ride on the track throughout their career. The point is that most of them were road racing at a high level by around the age of 20. After the Olympics, Owain Doull is giving up the track to join Sky next year, but he's already 23 so some way behind in his development as a road rider.

Chris Froome rode his first Tour aged 20. Adam Yates at 23 is riding in his third Grand Tour. Hugh Carthy at 20 is likely to ride the Vuelta this year.

He's seen what that's done for their rep in UK

Excuse me? Cav is a household name in the UK. Ed Clancy isn't.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Karla on 20 July, 2016, 02:07:28 pm
Yates had his earliest results on the track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yates_(cyclist)#Palmar.C3.A8s
as did Tom Simpson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Simpson#Major_results  and of course Bradley Wiggins.

All the great pro road riders started on the track, and many of them continued to ride on the track throughout their career.

Peter Sagan started in mountain biking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItBV9CVJEoo)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 July, 2016, 02:10:20 pm
Merckx achieved his record with the aid of drugs at a time when there was a rigid barrier between professional and amateur sport. The only other outlet for a pro at the time was the Hour record.
1996 was the first year that pros could compete in the Olympics. That was during the EPO period, and medals have been returned by Lance Armstrong and by Tyler Hamilton for the 2000 Olympic TT.

Cavendish could have finished the Tour, and won in the Olympics with pharmaceutical help. I preferred the doping years, because the winners interest me less than the domestiques. We now have to take the leaders seriously.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 20 July, 2016, 02:13:10 pm
Peter Sagan started in mountain biking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItBV9CVJEoo)

As did Cadel Evans, IIRC.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 20 July, 2016, 02:15:55 pm
Of course Cav would love to take Merckx's record but records are made to be broken, they're not for life. Whereas an Olympic gold would (hopefully will) be his for all time.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: inappropriate_bike on 20 July, 2016, 02:22:25 pm
For a British audience, an Olympic medal matters, but to a wider international cycling audience, it's what he's achieved in the Tour that Cav will be most remembered for (that and MSR and the World title, of course).

I agree about the British audience. I hadn't heard of the Tour De France until a Brit won it*, and until 2016 I had no idea there was a Green Jersey or that "winning a stage" was in any way important or significant.

So breaking the stage win record will only make him slightly more famous with the few who care about cycle racing. Winning an Olympic medal will make him famous with the general population. If I was thinking about a post-retirement speaking / commentating career I'd go for the latter.

*Or hadn't cared enough to notice.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 20 July, 2016, 02:23:53 pm
I was thinking more of the socialist leanings of this forum, and the presence a member called Clarion.

Oh I see - that makes sense!

(not sure this thread has a very socialist leaning - it's just us capitalists here.)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Karla on 20 July, 2016, 02:24:36 pm
For a British audience, an Olympic medal matters, but to a wider international cycling audience, it's what he's achieved in the Tour that Cav will be most remembered for (that and MSR and the World title, of course).

I agree about the British audience. I hadn't heard of the Tour De France until a Brit won it*, and until 2016 I had no idea there was a Green Jersey or that "winning a stage" was in any way important or significant.

So breaking the stage win record will only make him slightly more famous with the few who care about cycle racing. Winning an Olympic medal will make him famous with the general population. If I was thinking about a post-retirement speaking / commentating career I'd go for the latter.

*Or hadn't cared enough to notice.

Really?  The Tour was the one thing I'd heard of before I got into cycling - and I thought that was pretty universal.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 02:26:09 pm
Peter Sagan started in mountain biking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItBV9CVJEoo)

OK, fair enough. I don't think Chris Froome has ever done much track riding for that matter.

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: fuzzy on 20 July, 2016, 02:30:54 pm
An Olympic gold is a not too shabby bit of bling to have in the trophy cabinet.

I suspect here are more people in the world to whom Eddie Mercx is a "Who?" but to whom the 'Lympic gold is a "Wow!":
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 20 July, 2016, 02:32:13 pm
Yates had his earliest results on the track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yates_(cyclist)#Palmar.C3.A8s
as did Tom Simpson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Simpson#Major_results  and of course Bradley Wiggins.

All the great pro road riders started on the track, and many of them continued to ride on the track throughout their career. The point is that most of them were road racing at a high level by around the age of 20. After the Olympics, Owain Doull is giving up the track to join Sky next year, but he's already 23 so some way behind in his development as a road rider.

Chris Froome rode his first Tour aged 20. Adam Yates at 23 is riding in his third Grand Tour. Hugh Carthy at 20 is likely to ride the Vuelta this year.

He's seen what that's done for their rep in UK

Excuse me? Cav is a household name in the UK. Ed Clancy isn't.


Agreed. Nevertheless, the kudos of an Olympic medal carries a lot of weight here, and Cav obviously feels that it's important enough to kiss off the last week of the Tour for. I don't see anything wrong with that; he's earned the right to do as he sees fit, and it's not as if this is a spur-of-the-moment decision. I don't understand the new-found objections to it. Cav very publicly made the Olympics a major aim of this year's efforts a long time ago.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 02:33:17 pm
Really?  The Tour was the one thing I'd heard of before I got into cycling - and I thought that was pretty universal.

I got properly interested in cycling when Channel 4 started showing the Tour in the 80s, but I'd heard of the Tour long before that. I remember a Tour-inspired story in the Beano, must have been in the late 70s, in which Dennis the Menace wears lots of different coloured jerseys. I can't remember much more detail than that except that he made the mistake of wearing all the jerseys at once, which hampered him in his bid to make a getaway after some bout of mischief.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 02:42:30 pm
Cav obviously feels that it's important enough to kiss off the last week of the Tour for. I don't see anything wrong with that; he's earned the right to do as he sees fit, and it's not as if this is a spur-of-the-moment decision. I don't understand the new-found objections to it. Cav very publicly made the Olympics a major aim of this year's efforts a long time ago.

Well, in my case at least, it's not a new-found objection. If you'd asked my opinion at the time he made the announcement, I would have said I'd rather he focused on the Tour.

It's not a matter of questioning his right to do what he wants, it's just my opinion that the Tour is more prestigious than the Olympics for a pro cyclist. I appreciate I am in a minority in present company.

I also suspect his decision to focus on the Olympics this year might have been driven by his relatively thin pickings in the Tour in the last few years. He clearly didn't much enjoy his time at Sky or Quickstep, not after the incredible run at HTC. He wouldn't have known that at the time that the move to Dimension Data would have such a revitalising effect.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 20 July, 2016, 03:01:23 pm
I agree that he may have felt back in the winter that his future in the Tour was as a supporting act rather than as the star, and that may well have influenced his decision. But it was well known that his failure to medal in 2008 was a big regret, and one that he's several times said he wanted to rectify. And it looks like his track training has done a world of good for his sprint form, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him take on more track next year.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Samuel D on 20 July, 2016, 03:09:27 pm
The last couple of pages have shown why he thought it was a hard decision.

Good luck to him!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 20 July, 2016, 04:52:24 pm
Cavendish could have finished the Tour, and won in the Olympics with pharmaceutical help.

That's probably an even less fashionable view than my opinion of the Olympics.  ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 20 July, 2016, 04:58:20 pm
It'd be a laugh if they changed the cycling route to do a bunch of cols and a long climbing finish.  There are a few cols at over 1600m in the hinterlands.

Well as Cav's entered in the track squad, I suppose it'd make a change from just turning left all the time...  ;D

Oh. Can't say I'm interested enough to have known that.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 20 July, 2016, 05:06:24 pm
Peter Sagan started in mountain biking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItBV9CVJEoo)

As did Cadel Evans, IIRC.

Correct. ISTR that one of his MTB XC rivals, Miguel Martinez, also made the switch to road racing , but without as much success, and has since switched back to MTB.

And Michael Rasmussen was an ex-mountain biker, but he was a drug cheat, so we discard him utterly, chiz.

ETA: Filip Meirhaeghe was another XC racer who did a bit of road riding when he came from a suspension for using EPO - he was one of those rare drugs cheats who didn't deny their misdeeds after failing a drugs test.

And not forgetting Ryder Hesjedal...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 20 July, 2016, 05:29:19 pm
Well shook up the leader board, not much... I can't remember who said it but we need someone who is not scared of going out on the attack a bit earlier than the last 2 Km.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 20 July, 2016, 06:26:43 pm
I can't remember who said it but we need someone who is not scared of going out on the attack a bit earlier than the last 2 Km.

Merckx said something like that I think but, yes, it seems like people are just happy to follow until it's too late. And it's been a lot like that for a few years now (Quintana's Huez escape last year being a notable exception).

Now maybe they're just to knackered to try anything, Sky having relentlessly having ground them down, or they lack the cahones but either way things won't change unless some goes 'rip, shit or bust'. They'll just lose seconds every finish until the Champs-Elysees. It's like they're riding for 2nd place.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 July, 2016, 09:00:50 pm
Soz 4 teh late: pwning teh new TV @ Fort Larrington...

P Sagan:O hai! I am P Sagan and I am made of teh Win! Today I are mostly getting moar points in teh snottyjumper wossname!
[FX: Ringing phone]
P Sagan:O hai [...] o, it's you, general [...] wot? [...] I haz teh snottyjumper already? [...] I just haz to get it to teh Paris? [...] Crazy? [...] kthxbai.
[FX: >>> CLICK <<< ]
P Sagan: Piss!
[Some time later]
TV Garderen:O hai! I am TV Garderen and I haz this terrible pain in all teh diodes down my left side.  Here I iz, branez teh size of a planet, and they make me cycle up teh mountainz! Oh dog, wot iz teh point?
ILC Sweetener:O hai! I yam I Low-Calorie Sweetener and I yam made of teh Win!
JJ Jarlinsson:Arse!
R Porte:O hai! I am R Porte and I am made of teh Win!  Eat my dust, suxx0rs!
C Froome:O hai, R Porte!
R Porte:O hai, C Froome! Haz u seen teh N Quintana or teh B Mollema?
C Froome:No. No, I haz not!
R Porte & C Froome:LOL!!1!
A Yates:O hai! I am A Yates and I am made of teh Win! Also, c me pwn N Quintana & B Mollema!
B Mollema:Come back here and say that!
N Quintana:Piss!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 20 July, 2016, 09:04:18 pm
;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 20 July, 2016, 09:15:18 pm
Quote from: Charles M. Duke, Jr.*
You got a bunch of guys forumistes about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot!

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Duke#NASA_career
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Karla on 20 July, 2016, 09:57:31 pm
I can't remember who said it but we need someone who is not scared of going out on the attack a bit earlier than the last 2 Km.

Merckx said something like that I think but, yes, it seems like people are just happy to follow until it's too late. And it's been a lot like that for a few years now (Quintana's Huez escape last year being a notable exception).

Now maybe they're just to knackered to try anything, Sky having relentlessly having ground them down, or they lack the cahones but either way things won't change unless some goes 'rip, shit or bust'. They'll just lose seconds every finish until the Champs-Elysees. It's like they're riding for 2nd place.

Someone on CW, CN or one of the outlets made the point that the riders in 2nd and 3rd will both be very happy with those positions, so are unlikely to endanger them by going double or bust.  You've got to look down to Quintana before you find someone who was considered a pre-race GC contender, and he's hardly doing great is he?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Gareth Rees on 20 July, 2016, 11:30:28 pm
I was thinking more of the socialist leanings of this forum, and the presence a member called Clarion. All the attention is focused on an ex-bank clerk from the Isle of Man, and a Kenyan-born colonial, educated at a public school in South Africa.

This kind of comment seems needlessly provocative.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2016, 12:41:04 am
It's interesting to look back 8 years to when a 23 year old Froome was picked out as a promising rider, finishing the Tour with Barloworld. Geraint Thomas and Steve Cummings were on that team in 2008, which was plagued by drug problems. Froome was in the process of changing his national affiliation from Kenya to Great Britain.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jul/28/cycling.tourdefrance

We don't want to burden Adam Yates with too much expectation, but Jens Voigt was wondering out loud if Froome and Yates could dominate the GC for the next ten years.

I'd most like to see Geraint Thomas win a stage along the way, it was great seeing Steve Cummings get one.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 July, 2016, 09:17:34 am
Thomas looks a bit off-colour compared with last year.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2016, 09:38:58 am
He may be being saved for Rio.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/35697659

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However, Froome said he welcomes the competition from Thomas,

"Going back to the rivalry within the team, and the harmony within the team, the key to all of this is communication," added Froome.

"Especially with G. We've been riding together now, it's coming up to 10 years back to 2008 with Barloworld.

"At the Olympics it will be a very honest, open discussion between us, out on the road. Who's feeling good? Can we get the job done today? Will you pull? Will you not pull?

"It's that team dynamic. As long as communication is good I think you'll have that buy-in from everyone.

'If G is flying and I'm struggling, then definitely... [I'd support him]."

I'd see it as a good outcome. In 2012 Cavendish was the only plan, in Rio we'll have Froome, Thomas, Cummings and Yates. Stannard is a bit on the big side for the course.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Legs on 21 July, 2016, 09:49:43 am
I can't remember who said it but we need someone who is not scared of going out on the attack a bit earlier than the last 2 Km.

Merckx said something like that I think but, yes, it seems like people are just happy to follow until it's too late. And it's been a lot like that for a few years now (Quintana's Huez escape last year being a notable exception).

Now maybe they're just to knackered to try anything, Sky having relentlessly having ground them down, or they lack the cahones but either way things won't change unless some goes 'rip, shit or bust'. They'll just lose seconds every finish until the Champs-Elysees. It's like they're riding for 2nd place.

I was thinking about this the other night, pondering the long-range exchanges between Fignon and Lemond in the '89 Tour and wondering if we'd ever see a see-saw Tour like that again, in this era of scientifically-measured efforts.  Then I remembered Andy Schleck's attack on the Galibier in 2011, the Sastre Tour of 2008, the bizarre 2006 Tour, and Jan in the awesome 2003 Bianchi kit.  It hasn't been so bad recently...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2016, 10:28:31 am
Well shook up the leader board, not much... I can't remember who said it but we need someone who is not scared of going out on the attack a bit earlier than the last 2 Km.
Hinault was saying that in his ITV4 interview.
My favourite part of the Tour was always Cippolini's lead-out train. That took him to 51 stage wins in the three grand tours. He always climbed off before the mountains in the TdeF, leaving his domestiques to make some extra cash from impromptu alliances.
They were the heroes to anyone over 190cm tall. Without sprinters they have no role, but strangely I'm more interested in how they deliver their man to the final 200 metres than in the sprint itself. I found a good article on sprinting which connected me a bit more.


http://www.lequipe.fr/explore/cycling-human-cannonballs/
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 July, 2016, 10:41:56 am
I'm surprised that more isn't being made of Bury Clarion having a rider in the top three places in the Tour de France.
I think it's got something of 'The Victor' or 'The Valiant' about it.
https://clarioncc.org/about-the-national-clarion/clarion-cycling-in-the-news/

I suspect this is because few people knew he was a member of Bury Clarion and even fewer cared enough to write.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2016, 11:19:53 am
I'm surprised that more isn't being made of Bury Clarion having a rider in the top three places in the Tour de France.
I think it's got something of 'The Victor' or 'The Valiant' about it.
https://clarioncc.org/about-the-national-clarion/clarion-cycling-in-the-news/

I suspect this is because few people knew he was a member of Bury Clarion and even fewer cared enough to write.

Apart from the Telegraph, obviously. Generally the best paper for cycling.

Quote
It is a long way from Bury Clarion, where parents John and Susan took the twins as eight year-old boys after John, a former fell-runner turned club rider, had to give up cycling following an accident.

Yates, obviously, is completely unfazed. Told that Froome had described his performance thus far as “hugely impressive” but that the yellow jersey wearer did not consider him an overall threat, he just gave a little smile.

“Well, we'll see what happens won’t we?” Then he sauntered off for a little spin, returning a little while later clutching a Fanta Orange.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/07/20/adam-yates-grows-accustomed-to-his-new-role-as-rising-star-of-th/

The central role of the Manchester velodrome in the rise of British cycling has meant that the North West is where riders are produced. It's a bit weird to hear the head of the UCI, Brian Cookson, speaking in my local accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4dqLhJeyAk
The customers for that product are throughout Britain, but the ones with the most money to spend are clustered in the South East.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 21 July, 2016, 01:11:47 pm
Just looked at the stage profile for today's mountain time trial - km 2-3 of the climb (km 6-7 on the stage) pitch up at an average gradient of at least 10% per km, maxing out at 16% in places. Ouch...

TJ van Garderen's implosion on the penultimate climb yesterday was pretty spectacular, losing him close to 20 minutes. Double ouch!

Bora-Argon rider Shane Archibold wiped out at high speed but completed the stage, 39 minutes down. It was only afterwards that it was discovered that he had a fractured pelvis. To add insult to injury, he was given a 20s penalty for spending too long in the team car's draft. Triple Ouch!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 21 July, 2016, 01:14:11 pm
Quote from: Cycling News live coverage
13:54:14 CEST

Peter Sagan has started his effort. Maybe he can ride up the cols backwards just to liven things up. Maybe he can give a full rendition of a Bertolt Brecht performance or maybe a Lady GaGa dance routine or another song from Grease. Come on Peter...do something. Three stage wins and the Green jersey isn't enough.

 ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 21 July, 2016, 01:16:59 pm
Haha! I just read that too!

The current fastest for the 10-mile TT is 32:37. That gives a clue as to how hard it is!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2016, 01:43:08 pm
I'm assuming that the elimination time of within 25% of the winner for an individual TT will apply. The rising wind will be handy in holding back the best riders a bit. It's handy for Yates that Cavendish and Renshaw have gone home, he has fewer concerns about eliminating team members.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Legs on 21 July, 2016, 01:44:33 pm
I'm assuming that the elimination time of within 25% of the winner for an individual TT will apply. The rising wind will be handy in holding back the best riders a bit. It's handy for Yates that Cavendish and Renshaw have gone home, he has fewer concerns about eliminating team members.
Well, that and the fact that they ride on a different team from him...  ::-)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 21 July, 2016, 01:46:57 pm
I always get those two confused. What's the current longest time? Multiply that by 5 and divide by 4 to get the time which will eliminate.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Legs on 21 July, 2016, 02:00:20 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 21 July, 2016, 02:23:34 pm
from the tdf rule book:

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Coefficient 7
(An individual time trial stage of quite a unique type)
At Megève, a time delay will be set based on the
fastest time plus 33% of that time.

that's currently
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 21 July, 2016, 02:52:36 pm
Just seen that Spartacus has abandoned as well to concentrate on Rio.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 21 July, 2016, 04:12:34 pm
As an aside-ish, I think C Froome SKY announced to the French viewing public that he smells better this week.

'Je me sens' is, I think, what you wanted to say C Froome SKY not 'je sens'... easy enough mistake. But maybe he's got a new deodorant.

(it would have been understood in context so no worries)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 21 July, 2016, 04:31:53 pm
He probly doesn't smell too fresh at this moment, but my word he is a hell of a rider  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 21 July, 2016, 04:32:59 pm
Were did that come from down in the first by 23s then finish with +21s.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 21 July, 2016, 04:37:04 pm
Paced it perfectly, as Gary just said. Porte went off very fast again, but faded significantly towards the end... again.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 21 July, 2016, 05:01:36 pm
Pish. Went out to visit Inlaw Paw in hospital ¾ hour earlier so as to see the end of the TT, doc came in and nattered, dietician ditto, ended up staying an hour longer than usual and missed the end. Yet again. Pish.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 July, 2016, 05:46:57 pm
S Partacus:O hai! I am S Partacus and I am made of teh Win! Here I go again on teh 747, looking at teh clouds from teh other side ov heaven, smoking1 & drinking, never gonna stop, reading magazines stop me looking at teh clock, wanna watch teh movie, can't sit still, flying down 2 Rio, going 2 Brazil!
ISLD StanRow-MacIngs:O hai! We are ISLD StanRow-MacIngs and we are taking every day as it comes, anything can still happen because there is a long way to go yet, and we will see what happens. For sure!
T Dumoulin:O hai! I am T Dumoulin and I am made of teh Win!
R Majka:You utter git, T Dumoulin! O hai! U liek my hat?
SD Millar:No, R Majka! No, I do not!
R Majka:U can talk, TV's Super D Millar! That thing u wore on teh rest day made u look liek a cross between Bing Crosby and Mickey teh Pikey!
S ****anel:O hai! I am S ****anel and although I haz had teh Win in teh past as teh multiple time-trial champion of France, I iz mostly here to haz teh LOLz @ teh Political Correctness Gone Teh Madness!
S Uggs:Get tae fck, S ****anel!
N Boulting:O hai! I am TV's N Boulting and as there iz nothing much happening I will talk about haircuts with TV's Super D Millar!
SD Millar:I liek teh short smart haircut! It maek u feel liek teh REAL racer!
P Sagan:Teh day I taek teh fashion tips from u, Super D Millar, iz teh day I enter teh priesthood!
G Thomas:O hai! I am C Froome and so are my sunglasses!
SD Brailsford:O hai! I am Sir D Brailsford. U OK, m8? Why u got teh pencils up ur conk?
G Thomas:Wibble!
TV Garderen:Call that job satisfaction? Coz I don't!
T Dumoulin:Come on, u lot! Ur keeping me out ov teh pub!
B Mollema:O hai! I am N-Polymer B Mollema and teh aero advantage ov my outsize schnozz does not overcome teh effort required 2 haul it up teh mountain!
A Yates:O hai! I iz coming to get u, B Mollema!
N Quintana:O hai! My name iz N Quintana! U killed my father!  Prepare to die! Oh. Piss!
R Porte:O hai! I iz coming to get u, N Quintana! And you, A Yates!
C Froome:O hai! Take that! And that! And also that!
SD Brailsford:Do not repeat yoreself, boy!
J Voigt:O hai! I am TV's J Voigt. C Froome iz made of teh Win and that iz offishul from me, J Voigt!

1: In ur dreams, S Partacus...
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 21 July, 2016, 05:53:50 pm
N Quintana:O hai! My name iz N Quintana! U killed my father!  Prepare to die! Oh. Piss!

ROFL ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 21 July, 2016, 06:35:08 pm
Who remembers this classic moment from a few years ago?
http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/attack-of-the-giggles-gary-and-chris-corpse

I was just reminded of it because I was thinking about Bauke Mollema's performance - the giggles were brought on by P Liggett referring to the young Dutchman as Bob Malka in the commentary.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 21 July, 2016, 09:11:10 pm
G Thomas:O hai! I am C Froome and so are my sunglasses!

Just checking. Is this a pun?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 July, 2016, 10:09:32 pm
'tis a reference to an interview given by G Thomas after that incident with the telegraph pole last year, m'lud.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 21 July, 2016, 10:15:01 pm
ISTR that the telephone pole came off second-best. #GeraintThomasfacts
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 July, 2016, 10:26:15 pm
It later sued G for assault #TelegraphPoleLies
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 21 July, 2016, 10:29:07 pm
#telegraphpolesmatter

Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 21 July, 2016, 10:40:57 pm
Ah, so nothing along the lines of

-Will the leader of the Tour de France personalise his lenses?
-No, because he won't C Froome 'em


then.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 21 July, 2016, 10:42:31 pm
<Hands gilet to Nuncio and hails passing Directeur Sportif's car>
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 09:40:29 am
G Thomas interviewed by TV's M Rendall after the Curious Incident of the Pole in the Daytime1 (http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/video-geraint-thomas-jokes-hes-chris-froome-after-stage-16-crash-into-telegraph-pole).

1: May contain traces of W Barguil.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 July, 2016, 11:36:00 am
Adam Yates might be launching a stealth bid to be the new Guy Martin, judging by his interview style.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 03:19:20 pm
T Dumoulin has crashed out, suspected b0rked wrist :(
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 22 July, 2016, 03:57:18 pm
Oh that's gotta smart ..
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TigaSefi on 22 July, 2016, 04:00:19 pm
Crashes!! Crashes everywhere!!!

Borrowing bikes, Borrowing bikes everywhere!!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 04:46:49 pm
Is A Yates a midget or is it just the blonde podium girl is 9' tall and thus in danger of finding herself accidentally married to Rod Stewart?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: simonp on 22 July, 2016, 04:48:44 pm
Midget.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 05:17:50 pm
D Friebe:O hai! I am TV's D Friebe and I am speaking 2 I Montoya N Quintana. O hai, I Montoya N Quintana, u haz any idearz how 2 attack teh C Froome in teh mountainz?
N Quintana:Got any cocaine?
D Friebe:No. No, I haz not!
N Quintana: How about a motorbike?
D Friebe:No. Not one of them either.
N Quintana:Piss!
[Later...]
SD Millar:O hai! I am TV's Super D Millar! When Mr. and Mrs. Ramsbottom had their last garden party I was amongst teh guests, who had a welcome true and hearty. Teh Prince of Wales was also there and my heart jumped with glee when someone said teh prince would like to have a word with me!
TPO Wales:O hai! One is teh Prince ov Wales and one is made of teh Win! Where did u get that hat?
Omnes:Well said, TPO Wales! Roffle @ SD Millar! U look like a refugee from a Rubettes tribute band!
SD Millar:Your all gay!
[Later...]
TD Gendt:O hai! I am TD Gendt and I am made of teh Win! C me make teh vainglorious acceleration on one ov teh 900 Cols de la Forclaz! Move teh biek! 4 grate justiec!
R Majka:O hai, TD Gendt! U sure ur on teh right Col de la Forclaz? U haz no chance to take teh spottyjumper make ur time!
TD Gendt:Arse!
[Meanwhile...]
T Astana:O HAI! WE R TEAM AS-TA-NA AND WE ARE MADE OF TEH DOC-TOR FER-RA-RI'S AS-TA-NA BEANZ! WE WILL EX-TER-MIN-ATE TEH OP-PO-SI-TION 4 TEH F A-RU!
D Rosa:SLO DOWN U GITS! U HAZ EX-TER-MIN-ATED MY KNEEZ!
A Grivko:GET TAE FCK, D RO-SA!
[Later...]
TP Fairy:O hai! I am teh P*nct*r* F**ry and I am teh very embodiment of teh FAIL! Whom shall I torment today, eh? O hai, A Yates! Stab stabbity stabbee!!1!
A Yates:You utter git, TP Fairy1!
TV Garderen:Don't try to engage my enthusiasm, because I haven't got one...
[Meanwhile, up the Montée de Pissoir...]
R Majka:Bai, TD Gendt! LOL!!1!
TD Gendt:Piss!
[Quite a lot later...]
R Majka:Yay! Teh spottyjumper iz mine ALL MINE!
LL Sanchez:LOU-IE, LEE-O, OH NO-ES! ME GOT-TA GO! AYE-YI-YI! [Disappears backwards @ teh rate ov knots]
P Rolland:Ow! That hurts! Get tae fck, TV cameras!
*** Boulting:O hai! I am TV's *** Boulting and teh Moriarty haz struck again!
SD Millar:Don't get it, *** ???
*** Boulting:Elementary, my dear Watson Millar! Reichenbach falls2!
[Not very much later...]
R Porte:O hai clouds o hai sky o hai road! Piss!
B Mollema:O hai clouds o hai sky o hai road! Piss!
C Froome:O hai clouds o hai sky o hai road! Piss!
V Nibbles:O hai clouds o hai sky o hai road o hai C Froome! Piss!
[Shortly thereafter...]
W Poels:O hai, C Froome! It's two kilometres to St-Gervais Mont-Blanc. We gotta full bidon of Vittel, half a box of energy gels, it's raining and we're wearing sunglasses!
C Froome:Hit it! Actually, don't bother.
ML Maire:Bloody crashes, spoiling teh Black & Blues Brothers gag!
R Bardet:O hai! I am R Bardet and I am made of teh Win! Better l8 than never, eh, readers?
F Aru:O NO-ES! EX-TER-MIN-ATED! PISS!
A Yates:Even teh juniorshinyjumper not maek up 4 that! Arse!

1: Might not haz been TP Fairy, but saves typing.
2: If *** won't nick teh Spesh's joak then I'll have to.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 22 July, 2016, 05:27:40 pm
Immortan Joe: *** Boulting missed teh Moriaty gag again? MEDIOCRE!!!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 05:30:48 pm
He even commented on Reichenbach being one of the fallers :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 22 July, 2016, 05:33:40 pm
2nd funniest thing after yet another Larrington Production was Astana using practically their entire team to achieve the square root of Sweet F. Aru.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 22 July, 2016, 05:45:14 pm
Immortan Joe: *** Boulting missed teh Moriaty gag again? MEDIOCRE!!!

To be fair, he probably deliberately avoided making the gag, seeing as approximately several million other Wits Of The Internet were already on the case.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 06:11:15 pm
It appears Biff otp managed to do the Reichenbach Falls one during the 2013 Worlds ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2016, 07:16:47 pm
I've only just noticed that Team Dalek Astana contains both a Kangert and Aru.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 22 July, 2016, 11:40:24 pm
Whilst imbibing coffee and eating bread pudding at silly o'clock last Saturday morning, Adrian, sometime OTP, advised me that Aru should be pronounced inna Warren Zevon stylee, followed by 'Werewolves of London'. I commend it to the house.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: hatler on 23 July, 2016, 06:59:21 am
:-)    My take on Adrian's comment was that he couldn't hear anyone mention Aru without his mentally following up with "werewolves of London" in a singing stylee.

Seconded.

Whatever, following that chat I too find myself in exactly the same position.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 23 July, 2016, 07:22:52 am
G Thomas interviewed by TV's M Rendall after the Curious Incident of the Pole in the Daytime1 (http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/video-geraint-thomas-jokes-hes-chris-froome-after-stage-16-crash-into-telegraph-pole).

1: May contain traces of W Barguil.
I havent seen it, but apparently he followed this up yesterday:

"after the team car drove straight past me, I thought I was going to have to run to the finish."
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 23 July, 2016, 07:51:57 am
What a riot of laffs UK TV seems to be. We just had a bunch of FdJ blokes hugging the minister of sport and having a good cry.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 11:58:55 am
What a riot of laffs UK TV seems to be. We just had a bunch of FdJ blokes hugging the minister of sport and having a good cry.

We BRITONS used to have to suffer from the Liggett & Sherwen Show, which was as much a part of the BRITSH summer as rain-delayed Test Matches, BRITONS getting dumped out of the first round of Wmbldn by unknown Peruvians and people expecting train operating companies to change the laws of physics but things have improved this year, and not just A Murray triumphing in SW19.  *** Boulting has always been an amusing chap, especially when paired with Evil1 C Boardman, but Super D Millar has come on by leaps and bounds since his first attempts in the comm box a year or two ago on the Tour de Yorkshire.  If someone could tactfully tell him not to bother with the hats...

Cracking ride by R Bardet yesterday, though, keeping his head when all around were losing theirs.

1: There are two C Boardmen; the good one who speaks calmly and with great authority on Matters Pertaining to Cycling as a Whole and the evil one who makes his son get into a 100' deep pit full of ice-cold water.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 23 July, 2016, 12:05:38 pm
I agree that Super D Millar is great to have as a commentator, quick and knows what is going on - on the ball as they say. But when he does his pre-recorded stuff he need to pick up the pace and enthusiaZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz... oh did I just nod off there ... what was I saying, oh yes ... he sounds rather borZZZZZzzzzzzz... oh there I went again ... as you were.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 12:06:59 pm
He's wearing that flat cap again today, the one which looks like it's made from an offcut of a DralonTM sofa :sick:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 23 July, 2016, 01:28:26 pm
Rats. Missed them going over the Col des Aravis, which I dun in 2007. Was heading for the Colombière as well but it starting pissing down and the missus & her Da were there so we had a tartiflette in the restaurant and bought a cow-bell for our cleaning-lady-person.

Fun watching Movistar guy trying to put on K-Way while going uphill round a car at front of peloton. Otherwise dozeworthy. Bandwidth on France TV's streaming site is crap.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 03:04:12 pm
Poor dead B Mollema and his nose appear to be having another really shit day :(

Edit: And by the end of that set of blipverts he's caught up :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 23 July, 2016, 04:08:07 pm
Pantano needs to change his name. 

Riding in the torrential rain?  I can relate!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 23 July, 2016, 04:12:39 pm
What a descent! That was bloody exciting - I bet the moto riders had their hearts in their mouths!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 23 July, 2016, 04:13:35 pm
What a descent! That was bloody exciting - I bet the moto riders had their hearts in their mouths!

I think we all did after yesterday!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 23 July, 2016, 04:17:11 pm
Dave Brailsford was behind the Death Star's sofa the whole way down!
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Post by: Jaded on 23 July, 2016, 04:23:45 pm
That was fun. Especially being able to shout "I was in that shop last year!!" when they went through Samoens.

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Post by: T42 on 23 July, 2016, 04:28:52 pm
Pish.  Home from visiting the Inlaw Paw in hosp & fired up the idiot engine just in time to miss the end. Again. (1) Pish. Arse. FUCK!!!!

And only the tom-foolery on the Champs left to go. Redo from (1)
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 04:34:24 pm
TD Gendt:O hai! I am TD Gendt and I am made of teh Win! I pwned teh stage on teh Ventoux FFS but all u lot want to talk about is C Froome doing teh impression of U Bolt! Remember C Chiappucci, Sestriere, 1992, eh?
Omnes:C Chiappucci? Plucky J Durand, more like!
CP Sagan:O hai! I am Crazy P Sagan and I bet u lot had forgotten about me!
TD Gendt:Piss!
M Matthews:O hai, CP Sagan! C me pwn u in teh snottyjumper sprint!
CP Sagan:Meh! Liek I care!
[Much, much later...]
A Yates:O hai! I am A Yates and although I am made of teh Win I do not care about teh GC1! Teh juniorshinyjumper iz all I care about2! If u other teams help 2 chase down R Kreuziger I give u a tooffe!
Omnes:Get tae fck, A Yates!
A Yates:I haz an injured rabbit a bag ov gobstoppers also!
[Meanwhile...]
JJ Jarlinsson:O hai! I am JJ Jarlinsson, teh Columbian Viking, and I am made of teh Win!
J Alaphilippe:O hai and, moreover, RAAAWWWRRR!
[Back down teh mountain...]
B Mollema:O hai! C me, B Mollema, salvage teh wounded pride! Bai, suxx0rz! Oh. Piss!
[Tête de la Course...]
J Alaphilippe:Bai, suxx0r! Also, RAAAWWWRRR! Oh. Piss!
JJ Jarlinsson:Poo on u, J Alaphilippe! We Vikings did not cross teh stormy Caribbean 2 Columbia by being teh grate ponces!
V Nibbles:O hai, u 2! Ur both made ov teh FAIL! U cannot descend liek me, V Nibbles!
J Izzywizzy:O hai! I am J Izzywizzy! Let's get busy!
JJ Jarlinsson:Arse and, moreover, Hellwetter!
V Nibbles:Come back & fight, u bloody cowards!
J Alaphilippe:Oh FFS!
SD Brailsford:Thank fck that's all over!
1: Lie.
2: Lie.
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Post by: Jaded on 23 July, 2016, 05:26:19 pm
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 06:41:28 pm
ML Maire:OK, we haz all teh jumpers ect. ect. singed 4 so yay 4 C Froome, A Yates, R Majka & Crazy P Sagan.  But wot ov teh awardz that teh grate ponces ov teh Eh Ess Oh don't bother wif, eh? EH?
Omnes:Tell us moar, ML Maire!

Teh P Anderson Award 4 Teh Teefs:Jarlin J Jarlinsson (teh Columbian Viking)
Teh F Massa D-Feat From Teh Jawz Ov Teh Win! Cup:B Mollema
Teh S Kelly Shield 4 Teh Heroic Non-Communication:N Quintana
Teh TeXXXas Postman Prize 4 Teh Blatant Cheeting Economy Wif Teh Roolz:N Quintana
El Premio F Alonso 4 I'd Rather Be On Teh DETH Row:TV Garderen
Teh P Fairy Marathon Plus 4 Teh P*nct*r* Ov Teh Race:R Porte
Teh W Rooney Sulk Ov Teh Month Trophy:M Kitteh
Teh I Kilmister B0rked Bass String 4 Goin' To Brazil: M Cavendish & S Partacus (joint award)
Teh GD Haig Award 4 Teh Attax Ov Utter Pointlessness (Individual):TD Gendt
Teh GD Haig Award 4 Teh Attax Ov Utter Pointlessness (Team):TEAM AS-TA-NA
&
Teh TV's SD Millar Pelecanus onocrotalus Binocularz 4 Teh Bridwatching:TV's *** Boulting
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Post by: mattc on 23 July, 2016, 07:00:27 pm
Why does Mr Gendt hve to wear such a plain red jersey? Is it a $Lowlands Champions jersey? It's very lacking in sponsors if its one of the official jumpers  :-\
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 07:11:44 pm
Is it any different from the standard Lotto-Soudal jersey?  He's not Belgian national champion of anything ATM and in any case, that jersey looks more like this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/MaillotB%C3%A9lgica.svg/250px-MaillotB%C3%A9lgica.svg.png)
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Post by: spesh on 23 July, 2016, 07:13:56 pm
Whilst imbibing coffee and eating bread pudding at silly o'clock last Saturday morning, Adrian, sometime OTP, advised me that Aru should be pronounced inna Warren Zevon stylee, followed by 'Werewolves of London'. I commend it to the house.
:-)    My take on Adrian's comment was that he couldn't hear anyone mention Aru without his mentally following up with "werewolves of London" in a singing stylee.

Seconded.

Whatever, following that chat I too find myself in exactly the same position.

That's the Loony Tunes Trophy for the Best Ear-worm Associated With A Rider's Name sorted.  :D

The Loony Tunes Trophy for the Worst Ear-worm Associated With A Rider's Name goes to R "On A Ragga Tip"* Bardet  :demon:

* An allegedly bangin' choon from the rave era, by a beat combo called SL-2.
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Post by: mattc on 23 July, 2016, 07:19:36 pm
Is it any different from the standard Lotto-Soudal jersey?
Maybe it was just an odd camera angle as he limped over the finish line. Or maybe the rain had washed away all the Lotto logos. Or maybe my eyes are even worse than I thought ...

(It certainly wasnt stripey, and nothing like the design you posted.)
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2016, 07:58:29 pm
Philippe Gilbert is current Belgian road-race champ and he's not playing.
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on 23 July, 2016, 08:11:49 pm
Aw, am sad nao. Only 1 more silleh to come.
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Post by: Dibdib on 23 July, 2016, 10:11:02 pm
Is it any different from the standard Lotto-Soudal jersey?
Maybe it was just an odd camera angle as he limped over the finish line. Or maybe the rain had washed away all the Lotto logos. Or maybe my eyes are even worse than I thought ...

(It certainly wasnt stripey, and nothing like the design you posted.)

I didn't record it so can't go back and check but it wasn't a rainjacket or something rather than his actual team kit?
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Post by: T42 on 24 July, 2016, 08:14:45 am
TD Gendt:O hai! I am TD Gendt and I am made of teh Win! I pwned teh stage on teh Ventoux FFS but all u lot want to talk about is C Froome doing teh impression of U Bolt! Remember C Chiappucci, Sestriere, 1992, eh?
Omnes:C Chiappucci? Plucky J Durand, more like!
...

Thank-you, Mr. L. Top hole, fills in what I missed most elegantly. Have a fluffy bunny ==> (http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/bunny01.gif)
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Post by: TheLurker on 24 July, 2016, 09:50:08 am
I know there have been several nasty offs this year (Theuns esp.) but it has been nice to have a TdF without the mass pile-ups of many recent editions.



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Post by: T42 on 24 July, 2016, 10:31:44 am
There's time yet.
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Post by: citoyen on 24 July, 2016, 12:36:15 pm
I know there have been several nasty offs this year (Theuns esp.) but it has been nice to have a TdF without the mass pile-ups of many recent editions.

On a possibly related note, there are still 175 riders in the race, which would be a record number of finishers assuming they all get round safely today.

The relatively small number of withdrawals this year is quite remarkable. Also testament to the resilience of the riders. Sam Bennett's crash on stage 1 looked pretty nasty and it's not entirely surprising that he's lanterne rouge, but chapeau to him for staying in the race for what must have been an incredibly arduous three weeks.
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 01:12:44 pm
La Course is on, sprint every two laps, make a fast race :)
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Post by: Ruthie on 24 July, 2016, 01:25:44 pm
Oh, this is a bonus surprise!   8)
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 02:10:16 pm
Crash on second lap ...
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 02:11:25 pm
Ohh the ten sec gap is holding ....
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 02:12:15 pm
Another crash ....
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 02:12:26 pm
Need more nails ...
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 02:16:50 pm
What a sprint loved it
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 02:18:02 pm
GWS to all the ones who went down
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Post by: mcshroom on 24 July, 2016, 05:29:19 pm
Ooh, they're on a bit of road we rode on when we got lost looking for Notre Dame in May :)
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Post by: T42 on 24 July, 2016, 05:53:45 pm
They've been through my old stamping-grounds - Moiselles, Ecouen, etc.  Hard to recognize, though.

On the Champs now. This is where I usually fall asleep, so I've killed it and I'm off to dinner.
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Post by: mcshroom on 24 July, 2016, 06:00:02 pm
Not going right for Etixx Quick-step. Tony Martin retired with knee trouble, and then Kittel has a tantrum after a puncture.
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Post by: TimO on 24 July, 2016, 06:00:39 pm
Marcel Kittel is having a bad race, he was seriously unhappy with the bike change, and now has to chase his way back up to the front again.  The race officials are obviously turning a blind eye to him drafting behind team cars !

With 30km to go, he should be fine, but hard work nevertheless.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 July, 2016, 06:42:37 pm
Thought Greipel's team had blown it for a second there!
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Post by: Séamas M. on 24 July, 2016, 06:50:43 pm
Thought we might have had another photo finish, very entertaining. Glad to see Greipel score at last.
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Post by: Ruthie on 24 July, 2016, 07:00:49 pm
Smile of the day is Greipel's for sure.

Hair of the day?  Sagan..  As always.
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Post by: Wowbagger on 24 July, 2016, 07:01:06 pm
I haven't read all this thread, but I can't let the "Podium Girls" get away without comment.

Can't they play the Benny Hill music, on an accordion if need be, to accompany them?
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Post by: Ruthie on 24 July, 2016, 07:07:10 pm
This might have been my favourite Tour ever.  Brilliant, from start to finish, and the world's nicest man goes home in yellow - and he's a Brit  :D
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Post by: Ruthie on 24 July, 2016, 07:12:00 pm
Nice speech from the man there.
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Post by: citoyen on 24 July, 2016, 07:14:37 pm
Nice speech from the man there.

I was getting a bit emotional by the end of it myself!
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Post by: Karla on 24 July, 2016, 07:24:27 pm
This might have been my favourite Tour ever.  Brilliant, from start to finish, and the world's nicest man goes home in yellow - and he's a Brit Kenyan  :D

FTFY ;)
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 July, 2016, 07:25:40 pm
A Yates:O hai! I am A Yates and I am made of teh Win! C Froome haz teh yellow biek, Crazy P Sagan haz teh green biek and teh R Majka haz teh spotty biek! WHY I NOT HAZ TEH WHITE BIEK? IZ TEH NOT FAIR!!1!
Omnes:Oh grow up, u little squit!
A Yates:SHAN'T!!1!
[Later...]
T Sky:Yay! Teh BEER!!1!
A Yates:Teh T Sky haz teh BEER! Y I not haz teh BEER? NOT FAIR!!1!
Omnes:Ur not old enuff 2 haz teh BEER, A Yates! Does ur Mum kno ur here?
A Yates:WAAAAAAAAH!!1!
[Quite a lot later...]
Omnes:Oi! C Prudhomme! Get on with it!
B Hinault:[Waves white flag] That's teh first & last time I surrend0rz, C Prudhomme, you utter git!
TD Gendt:O hai! I am TD Gendt! Time 4 another pointless attack. CU l8r, suxx0rz! Actually, noes. Can't b ar53d!
[Really an awful lot later...]
*** Boulting:O hai! I am TV's *** Boulting! Isn't teh France BRILLIANT?
SD Millar:O hai! I am TV's Super D Millar! Yes, ***. Yes, it is!
*** Boulting:Ooh look! Teh XIIIeme century fish pond!
M Kitteh:Did sum1 sa "fish"? I liek fish! Also, miaow!
M Bodnar:W00t! I am now TV's M Bodnar! O hai clouds o hai sky o hai Mrs M Bodnar!
*** Boulting:Ooh look! Sylvain ["Poisonous Term" - Ed.]anel! And now a 16' tall psychedelic wol will talk to u about pensions!
SD Millar:U been at teh brass polish again, ***?
[Almost, but not quite, tomorreau...]
T Martin:Bai!
M Kitteh:Piss, piss and miaow!
D Martin:Arse!
B Holm:WTF? Y my team fall 2 bitz?
T Bell1:Ding and, moreover, dong!
B Coqup:FFS!
A Greipel:Yay! Made of teh Win at last!
A Kristoff:Kristoff? Pistoff, more like!
CP Sagan:Crazy!!1!
[Teh Podiumz..]
P Girl:Outta tha way, R Majka!
R Majka:I'm not washing that arm 4 teh while!
[Grams: Rule Britannia]
C Froome:Merci, vive le Tour et vive La France! [Sotto voce] If that doesn't stop the piss-chucking bastards I'm retiring...
[Long after dark...]
SD Millar:***?
*** Boulting:Yes, Super D?
SD Millar:What is teh capital ov Canada?
*** Boulting:Ot...[Grams: GY!BE's "East Hastings". Roll end credits]

1: No. No, not that one.
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Post by: Séamas M. on 24 July, 2016, 07:26:35 pm
- and he's a Brit  :D

Just like Andy Murray.  ;D
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Post by: Karla on 24 July, 2016, 07:28:45 pm
There was a Englishman in the top 10 of course ... he's just been riding for Ireland since he was 20!
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Post by: mcshroom on 24 July, 2016, 07:29:18 pm
- and he's a Brit  :D

Just like Andy Murray.  ;D

Far less hair - looks nothing like him :P
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Post by: Chris S on 24 July, 2016, 07:29:28 pm
This might have been my favourite Tour ever.  Brilliant, from start to finish, and the world's nicest man goes home in yellow - and he's a Brit  :D

Actually, I thought it was a bit formulaic and tedious. Oh Well...

ETA: It was rescued by our very own Mr Larrington, natch.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 July, 2016, 07:29:38 pm
There was a Englishman in the top 10 of course ... he's just been riding for Ireland since he was 20!

I bet that's come as a bit of a surprise to A Yates!
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Post by: Ruthie on 24 July, 2016, 07:32:53 pm
This might have been my favourite Tour ever.  Brilliant, from start to finish, and the world's nicest man goes home in yellow - and he's a Brit  :D

Actually, I thought it was a bit formulaic and tedious. Oh Well...

ETA: It was rescued by our very own Mr Larrington, natch.

CF running up that hill was marvellous, shirley?
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2016, 07:34:37 pm
Well this wasn't a boring tour, the man who got yellow needed to work for it. And he threw a few curve balls into the mix, which got the blood going once or twice.

Some of the stage winners did some great riding - break aways and sprints. It looks like some up and coming riders to look out for in the future.

All in all a good tour.
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Post by: Séamas M. on 24 July, 2016, 08:04:20 pm
All in all a good tour.

Plus ça change..
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Post by: mzjo on 24 July, 2016, 09:12:23 pm
There was a Englishman in the top 10 of course ... he's just been riding for Ireland since he was 20!

I bet that's come as a bit of a surprise to A Yates!

According to Virenque, Durand and Marion the blonde bimbo, A Yates is thought to be austrine. Could be his fault for choosing to ride anti-podean.
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Post by: TimC on 24 July, 2016, 10:04:51 pm
This might have been my favourite Tour ever.  Brilliant, from start to finish, and the world's nicest man goes home in yellow - and he's a Brit  :D

Actually, I thought it was a bit formulaic and tedious. Oh Well...

ETA: It was rescued by our very own Mr Larrington, natch.

I have to disagree - about the formulaic bit at least. Sky were dominant, to a level perhaps they haven't been before, but that meant that non-GC-threatening breaks were fair game. That led to lots of exciting stuff off the Yellow Jumper race, and even C Froome got into the spirit of the event by doing some seriously risky stuffs. I loved it.

Have to agree about Mr Larrington's stuff, though. Has anyone sent it to TV's *** Boulting?
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Post by: Pingu on 24 July, 2016, 10:12:33 pm
Nice bit of fish tailing by P Sagan's bike at the finish - crazy!
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on 24 July, 2016, 10:13:41 pm
Speaking of muzak,  does anyone know what was being played when they did the tribute to C. Boardman's mum?
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 July, 2016, 10:32:57 pm
Have to agree about Mr Larrington's stuff, though. Has anyone sent it to TV's *** Boulting?

Nooooooooooo!  He'll send Evil C Boardman round to kill me utterly to DETH :hand:
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Post by: spesh on 24 July, 2016, 11:22:30 pm
Have to agree about Mr Larrington's stuff, though. Has anyone sent it to TV's *** Boulting?

Nooooooooooo!  He'll send Evil C Boardman round to kill me utterly to DETH :hand:

In an amusing and educational manner.  :demon:
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Post by: Jaded on 24 July, 2016, 11:46:22 pm
*** Boulting:Ooh look! Sylvain ["Poisonous Term" - Ed.]anel! And now a 16' tall psychedelic wol will talk to u about pensions!


teh win  :thumbsup:
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Post by: T42 on 25 July, 2016, 07:46:37 am
This thread was more fun than the race. Thx all.
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Post by: Veloman on 25 July, 2016, 09:21:09 am
A great result for Froome, Team Sky, GB and cycling.  An eventful race and if the finger of boredom is pointed, then why not point it at the inevitability of Sagan winning Green for the 5th consecutive year.  May be raw talent, or may just be the way the points are distributed compared.  (That said, I think Sagan is a great rider and talent and thoroughly enjoy watching him)
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 July, 2016, 09:34:17 am
I found the race interesting enough even if the GC was rarely in doubt from the moment C Froome took the yellow tunic jersey.  They threw in enough flatter stages later in the race to keep the sprinters happy and the likes of de Gendt, Majka, Alaphilippe, Jarlinsson Pantano et al, not to mention the antics of Crazy P Sagan, kept this unsophisticated punter happy.  Not enough Little Tommy VoecklerTM gurning away on futile breaks this year but I suppose the lad's entitled to a quiet Tour once in a while.  Or he's getting Too Old For That Kind Of Thing :(

And as a bonus we BRITONS had commentators rather than colemantators this year; from the noises *** was making during last night's highlights I'm guessing that he and Super D Millar are going to be asked back :thumbsup:
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Post by: T42 on 25 July, 2016, 10:13:15 am
Would have been better for me if I hadn't missed the best part of every afternoon from 7th July on.  I think I saw the end of just one mountain stage, and two or three sprint finishes.  Nice seeing Cav knocking off n°30, more pleasing even than Froome getting n°3, which felt like a done deal as soon as he got yellow.  Very pleased at Bardet's stage win/2nd place.  It'd be great if he could improve on that next year, but I'm not holding my breath.

Apart from mountain finishes, the stages I like best are the ones where the échappée keeps its shit together and doesn't degenerate into a suicidal game of "after you Cecil" 2k out, but makes it home to an honest 100m sprint just in front of the ravening horde peloton. You can go for years without seeing it happen, but it's great when it does.

Little Mr Voeckler comes from just up the road from here, something of a local darling. Kinda surprising that he's 37 already - it's only 5 minutes since he first put on the yellow jersey in 2004. Hardly saw him this time around.
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Post by: Karla on 25 July, 2016, 10:39:03 am
Can they change the green jersey back to a proper sprinting contest, so Peter Sagan doesn't win it so much?
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 July, 2016, 10:55:28 am
Can they change the green jersey back to a proper sprinting contest, so Peter Sagan doesn't win it so much?

Or reintroduce the red jersey (to howls of anguish from Katusha and Lotto-Soudal)?
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Post by: T42 on 25 July, 2016, 11:07:34 am
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Walworth_Gate_010.jpg/1280px-Walworth_Gate_010.jpg)
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 25 July, 2016, 12:49:44 pm
I've just watched the post finish interview on the BBC with froome.

What was it people said about him?
"Can't handle a bike" descends crouched on the top tube at 110kph

"No character" Punches out moron spectator who nearly caused a crash, runs up a mountain after his bike is broken.

"Humourless, doesn't talk to press"
Quote
"It was amazing to win, just as special as the first time, the beers are definitely on me tonight"


I think the detractors can just eff off.
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Post by: citoyen on 25 July, 2016, 03:25:02 pm
You forgot:

"just sits on the Sky train all day" - jumps on to Sagan's wheel for the utterly brilliant sight of the green and yellow jersey jointly putting the whole race to the sword on a stage that was supposed to be flat and boring.
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Post by: trekker12 on 25 July, 2016, 03:46:21 pm
Can they change the green jersey back to a proper sprinting contest, so Peter Sagan doesn't win it so much?

Or reintroduce the red jersey (to howls of anguish from Katusha and Lotto-Soudal)?

On that note, can they do something about the yellow jerseys worn by Lotto Jumbo? ONCE always used to change to pink from their normal yellow for the tour so the point of the yellow jersey (to stand out) was upheld.

I think (according to the French) the green jersey is supposed to be about the best all-rounder rather than just sprinters. They changed it to stop M. Cavendish winning it so much IIRC.

As for the race, I thought it was great, although anyone who watches three weeks of the tour and then claims it's boring aren't cycling fans as there is always many sub-plots going on. Even if it's won by four minutes and the winner does it purely in time trials (which doesn't happen any more) Froome's performance this year was one of the best I think I've ever seen.
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Post by: Dibdib on 25 July, 2016, 03:54:11 pm
On that note, can they do something about the yellow jerseys worn by Lotto Jumbo? ONCE always used to change to pink from their normal yellow for the tour so the point of the yellow jersey (to stand out) was upheld.

To be fair to Lotto, they changed their kit especially for the Tour last year (white shoulders rather than yellow) and then kept a very similar kit as their "standard" kit this year. And it's still better than the mega-fluoro-yellow of Tinkoff's 2016 kit.
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Post by: T42 on 25 July, 2016, 04:14:11 pm
I think (according to the French) the green jersey is supposed to be about the best all-rounder rather than just sprinters. They changed it to stop M. Cavendish winning it so much IIRC.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classement_par_points_du_Tour_de_France#Bar.C3.A8mes
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 July, 2016, 04:39:25 pm
They binned the maillot rouge in 1989.  There's probably a case to be made for separating intermediate "sprints" from stage finishes, though Crazy P Sagan already has more jerseys than he can possibly wear anyway.  I had a bit of trouble distinguishing the Cannondale mob from the maillot vert in the overhead shots - yesterday I thought Sagan was on the front coming off the final right-hander until he popped up on Greipel's wheel.
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Post by: citoyen on 25 July, 2016, 04:41:17 pm
They changed it to stop M. Cavendish winning it so much IIRC.

Exactly the opposite - they changed it to help Cav win it. And even then he's only won it once.

The changes were dropping some of the intermediate sprints and weighting the points more to the finish, so in theory it should have favoured more of a 'pure' sprinter, but Sagan is able to hoover up points on all kinds of stages because he's a good enough sprinter to be pretty much guaranteed a top five place on most stages, as well as being a breakaway specialist and a puncheur all rolled into one. Not a bad climber either.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: bobb on 25 July, 2016, 04:52:27 pm
I reckon if you took away all intermediate sprint points from this year's race, Sagan would still have won it....
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 July, 2016, 04:55:16 pm
Someone with way too much time on their hands has probably already calculated it :)
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: citoyen on 25 July, 2016, 05:12:15 pm
Doesn't take much working out - even if he'd won every intermediate sprint, that would have added up to 180 points, but his margin over M Kitteh in second place was something like 240 points.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 25 July, 2016, 09:43:45 pm
jumps on to Sagan's wheel for the utterly brilliant sight of the green and yellow jersey jointly putting the whole race to the sword on a stage that was supposed to be flat and boring.

My favourite bit of the tour in which there were a lot of interesting things happening but where the TT made the biggest difference. I just felt it lacked one, long, mountain top finish, with all the GC contenders fighting it out for the stage win and big time gaps ie what might have been had the Ventoux stage not been curtailed.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 26 July, 2016, 01:42:58 am
The most interesting aspect of the Tour was the Olympics. It was assumed that Sky would have the whip hand in the GBR team, but Cummings and Yates have posed some interesting questions. Gold for Geraint Thomas would be compensation for toeing the Sky line, but that's not now as likely as it was.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 26 July, 2016, 07:54:16 am
Doesn't take much working out - even if he'd won every intermediate sprint, that would have added up to 180 points, but his margin over M Kitteh in second place was something like 240 points.

Someone should inform Marcel of the correct way to spell his name.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 26 July, 2016, 08:22:45 am
Looking at the weather details for Ventoux I am surprised they haven't had to abort the climb before the summit more often. The wind at the summit tops 90kmph on 240 days a year on average !
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Andrew on 26 July, 2016, 09:20:26 am
The interest for me this year was outside of the 'battle' for yellow - because there wasn't one, the GC was about 2nd place. Yates and Bardet (in particular) made it for me, as Quintana just didn't really happen.

There were some cracking sprints, it was great to see Cavendish's return to form. Sagan really is on helluva of a bike rider and deserves a jersey simply for turning up. For me, he is the type of rider the green jersey was intended for.   

I wonder if a rule change for next year might be to exempt Sky from having to turn up. Just award Froome yellow and be done with it. Or make them ride tricycles or something. Anything to make for a more open competition.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 26 July, 2016, 09:23:23 am
Looking at the weather details for Ventoux I am surprised they haven't had to abort the climb before the summit more often. The wind at the summit tops 90kmph on 240 days a year on average !


As you do the C-R => summit bit you go through the Col des Tempêtes.  I've never been there during one, though - must be fun.  I have "ridden" through the Corbières in 90 kph wind, if you can call it riding when you have your bum in the saddle and both toes on the ground. Mildly terrifying.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 26 July, 2016, 09:31:53 am
The interest for me this year was outside of the 'battle' for yellow - because there wasn't one, the GC was about 2nd place. Yates and Bardet (in particular) made it for me, as Quintana just didn't really happen.

There were some cracking sprints, it was great to see Cavendish's return to form. Sagan really is on helluva of a bike rider and deserves a jersey simply for turning up. For me, he is the type of rider the green jersey was intended for.   

I wonder if a rule change for next year might be to exempt Sky from having to turn up. Just award Froome yellow and be done with it. Or make them ride tricycles or something. Anything to make for a more open competition.

Yeah. Froome had a lid on it from early on and everyone seemed to accept that, esp. with Contador DNFing. WRT Sky & C° they could simply ban cash-doping slap a lid on team budgets: the good riders would still be good but their back-up wouldn't be so efficient.  Dunno what the English equivalent is, but here they speak of someone riding/winning dans un fauteil, meaning either easily on his own merits or by riding most of the way behind a strong team. Eliminating the deluxe upholstery would liven things up a bit.

Probably knotty to implement and would probably penalize a good number of riders, though.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: hulver on 26 July, 2016, 09:34:18 am
La Course is on, sprint every two laps, make a fast race :)

Did you get a bit frustrated by them cutting away every five seconds to show sweeping shots of Paris, even cutting away from somebody breaking away from the front? I found it quite annoying.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 26 July, 2016, 09:36:49 am
Yebbut that's how France TV gets a larger audience share.  I rather enjoy it myself.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 26 July, 2016, 09:42:36 am
La Course is on, sprint every two laps, make a fast race :)

Did you get a bit frustrated by them cutting away every five seconds to show sweeping shots of Paris, even cutting away from somebody breaking away from the front? I found it quite annoying.
Yup there was some shouting, I know the tower is nice heck been up it three times, but break away !?!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 26 July, 2016, 09:43:47 am
I wonder if a rule change for next year might be to exempt Sky from having to turn up.

 ;D
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 26 July, 2016, 10:13:26 am
But there's little to stop any of the other teams doing what Sky have done - pick one goal, plan A, and ignore everything else. If everyone sits on their thumbs waiting for Sky to ride, they can't complain when Sky ride away with the race.

On the other hand... BMC turned up with two GC riders (three when GvA took yellow) and then didn't know who to ride for until it was too late; even pre-Contadepart, Tinkoff was two guys down most days because Sagan and Majka were up the road half the time; ditto for Movistar with less success. Astana tried occasionally to turn the screw on the GC bunch but failed to make it stick.

Yes, budgets are a big part of it and Froome owes a massive part of his wins to the superdomestiques that they seem to recruit. I'd like to see an NFL-style team salary cap, but with the variety of team rosters I don't know how you'd implement it effectively.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 July, 2016, 10:19:17 am
La Course is on, sprint every two laps, make a fast race :)

Did you get a bit frustrated by them cutting away every five seconds to show sweeping shots of Paris, even cutting away from somebody breaking away from the front? I found it quite annoying.

I was expecting the coverage to be every bit as shit as it was last year and was not disappointed.  Or, to put it another way, was disappointed.  They did a similar thing with the Cambridge-London stage in 2014 with the helichopter strutting its stuff over Londonton but happily managed to cut back in time to show MEEEEE as the pelican emerged from Epping Forest.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Peter on 26 July, 2016, 10:29:54 am
But there's little to stop any of the other teams doing what Sky have done - pick one goal, plan A, and ignore everything else. If everyone sits on their thumbs waiting for Sky to ride, they can't complain when Sky ride away with the race.

On the other hand... BMC turned up with two GC riders (three when GvA took yellow) and then didn't know who to ride for until it was too late; even pre-Contadepart, Tinkoff was two guys down most days because Sagan and Majka were up the road half the time; ditto for Movistar with less success. Astana tried occasionally to turn the screw on the GC bunch but failed to make it stick.

Yes, budgets are a big part of it and Froome owes a massive part of his wins to the superdomestiques that they seem to recruit. I'd like to see an NFL-style team salary cap, but with the variety of team rosters I don't know how you'd implement it effectively.

I think they manage to recruit them because they are able to say, "Do you want to ride on the team that will win?"  And that's because Chris Froome is head and shoulders above the others in consistency (and height).   Also, Sky's personnel do change - but Froome doesn't.  He wins because he is the best.  I think it will be fascinating to see where Yates ends up next time.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 26 July, 2016, 10:38:22 am
I think they manage to recruit them because they are able to say, "Do you want to ride on the team that will win?"  And that's because Chris Froome is head and shoulders above the others in consistency (and height).   Also, Sky's personnel do change - but Froome doesn't.  He wins because he is the best.  I think it will be fascinating to see where Yates ends up next time.

Oh, absolutely. And it's a self-reinforcing cycle - winning motivates them to work, and  it certainly looked to me like the Sky domestiques were working harder most days than the other teams who almost seemed to sit on and make up the numbers sometimes. People can knock Froome for sitting on the Sky train but BMC had Porte riding as support, Astana had Nibali and Movistar had Rodriguez and none of them could match Sky.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 July, 2016, 10:43:13 am
Plus, as Geraint Thomas so eloquently put it the other day, "we're not paid to entertain, we're paid to win races".
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 26 July, 2016, 10:52:13 am
I like the echoes of WW1 in the peloton. Froome is the public school subaltern, motivating his platoon through his boyish enthusiasm and natural leadership skills. Adam Yates and Steve Cummings are the archetypal Tommy Atkins' who find themselves fighting in colonial units.

The mystery is where the ruthless efficiency of Sky came from, it's usually associated with the Germans. The solution to that mystery is Heiko Salzwedel. He's the coach who lit up Australian, then GB cycling, and he's the reason Bradley is giving Rio a go. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/02/29/sir-bradley-wiggins-if-heiko-salzwedel-had-not-have-come-back-i/
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 26 July, 2016, 11:09:03 am
The mystery is where the ruthless efficiency of Sky came from,

Unexpectedly, the Spanish Inquisition.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 July, 2016, 11:13:16 am
Teh Spesh maek me done teh roffle :thumbsup:

Normal Mr Larrington will be resumed shortly.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: trekker12 on 26 July, 2016, 11:14:38 am
There's certainly an element of Sky going out of their way to sign the best riders for the job. Thomas, Poels and a couple of others could be team leaders anywhere else but riding for SKY with all the resources available. Best doctors, Soigneurs, mechanics etc would be as much of a motivating factor as money because they know they will get rewarded when they help Froome win.

I do find it a shame that it's built entirely around the Tour and yellow jerseys. Yes, Thomas won Paris Nice (with a great solo breakaway) but greater concentration on the classics or the other grand tours would be nice. You could take a subjective view and state Tinkoff had as good a result. Polka dots, Green and a greater number of stage wins (I think but haven't actually looked that one up).

I've always felt the TDF overshadows the rest of what cycling has to offer, particularly in the UK and the US and for the teams nominally based in those countries but that is currently where the best markets are for selling bikes, clothes and equipment etc.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 26 July, 2016, 11:16:56 am
How to win the TDF? Simple; recruit a damn fine rider who is world class at TT and v. good up mountains, protect them through the stages that favour sprinters and deliver them to the mountain climbs in a good state. Never let any rivals get a major jump on them ever and make sure team members will sacrifice themselves for the lead rider. It helps if the lead rider will let team members win stages; loyalty is earned.

That's Sky with Froome.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 26 July, 2016, 12:43:45 pm
Sky is a media company; it understands where the publicity is and where they'll make maximum impact in the markets they target. Cycling is one of their chosen vehicles for this - indeed, their biggest vehicle. The single biggest annual sporting event in the world is the TdF. Its worldwide impact is massive. Therefore, the concentration of the Sky cycling team on the TdF is predictable and sensible. Few if any of the other team sponsors have either the market ambitions or the resources of Sky, and for them more parochial considerations apply.

The net result of that is that Sky will continue to dominate the TdF until they lose interest, or another company with similar resources and reason to target that race comes along to comptete.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 26 July, 2016, 12:48:34 pm
Or until a substance turns up where it didn't oughter.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 26 July, 2016, 12:49:06 pm
Cycling is also a sport where the sponsor is the team. Sky could choose to sponsor a Premier League football team but not without running the risk of alienating (or at least, not endearing themselves to) the supporters of that team's rivals.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 26 July, 2016, 12:59:42 pm
Sky have the broadcast rights to the Premier League, so there's no need to sponsor a team. And they've got Bet365 and Nissan to help pay for it. They also sponsor the Football League through Skybet. A quite different model to cycling - and a bloody sight more expensive. Sky operates in 5 countries - UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria and Italy. The TdF gives them access to huge numbers of potential customers in those countries. The football stuff will drive subscriptions in UK, but less so elsewhere - and it costs £hundreds of miilions!
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Gareth Rees on 26 July, 2016, 01:09:25 pm
Movistar had Rodriguez

You mean Valverde, I think — Rodríguez rides for Katusha.
Title: Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 26 July, 2016, 01:15:53 pm
Movistar had Rodriguez
You mean Valverde, I think — Rodríguez rides for Katusha.

Quite right, brainfail.