Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: The Seldom Killer on 01 November, 2016, 02:20:26 pm
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I suggested that Nocturne Podcast do an episode on night time audax riding and they've gone ahead and made a two parter. First episode is available now from http://www.nocturnepodcast.org/ or whever you usually stream podcasts from. I listened to it this morning and felt that for a non audaxer the host has done a really good job on this. I reckon it's worth a listen.
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Aye, I was enjoying listening to that yesterday - good on you for getting them to do it :thumbsup:
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Brilliant - thanks for posting the link.
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Yes, that's very nicely done.
Makes good night time listening!
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Very good listening. Enjoyed it. Type II Fun described very well.
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You can observe the cultural difference between the RUSA and AUK descriptions of long rides. RUSA folk tend to emphasise the difficulties to overcome and AUKs tend to describe Audaxing as just a long bike ride.
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Almost made me want to start audaxing again.
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This deserves a bump - I eagerly await part 2!
You can observe the cultural difference between the RUSA and AUK descriptions of long rides. RUSA folk tend to emphasise the difficulties to overcome and AUKs tend to describe Audaxing as just a long bike ride.
I thought the RUSA guy doing most of the talking was great (not a name I recognised, sorry).
The emphasis on PBP gave me some good common ground to relate to them on, whilst it was fun hearing about US-specific issues (like rural post-offices being their "Audax hotels" ! I'm sure you approved of the lack of real hotels ;) )
I noticed the presenter talking about RandonEERs (not RandonnEURS) - was that just a mistake, or could she have picked it up from the US riders?
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The Episode about night swimming is also very good. I shall listen to some non-endurance-sport episodes shortly ...
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The USA-ians don't do bus shelters but their post offices have lobbies to allow 24hr access to post boxes - perfect nap locations out of the rain and wind.
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On the subject of night riding, my Finnish chums do a winter solstice ride with must be started after sunset and completed by sunrise. You ride a minimum of 150km and finish either in Tampere (sunrise 09:44), or further north in Oulu (sunrise 10:30) which obviously gives more time but is probably is probably colder and icier.
I can't help thinking that if Ivalo in the far north of Finland were a permitted destination, you'd have until just after midday on Jan 9th for the next sunrise.
Here's a video (with subtitles) by velogi on the 2015 ride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzvfu8epTgY
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Great listen. Thanks for posting it.
I rode large chunk of PBP with Max. Hearing his voice describing all those night time shenanigans did bring back memories!
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On the subject of night riding, my Finnish chums do a winter solstice ride with must be started after sunset and completed by sunrise. You ride a minimum of 150km and finish either in Tampere (sunrise 09:44), or further north in Oulu (sunrise 10:30) which obviously gives more time but is probably is probably colder and icier.
I can't help thinking that if Ivalo in the far north of Finland were a permitted destination, you'd have until just after midday on Jan 9th for the next sunrise.
Here's a video (with subtitles) by velogi on the 2015 ride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzvfu8epTgY
As audax was invented to be (roughly) the furthest a man could reasonably cycle between one dawn and dusk, I'd say your Finnish friends have invented the exact opposite of Audax.
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Xadua?
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Listened to it while doing a session on the spin bike last night - very enjoyable and chapeau to TSK for suggesting it. I'd echo LWB's comment below about the US riders emphasising the challenges but, let's face it, how likely are you to encounter a large mountain lion on the Flatlands 600? I guess, also, that the producer needs to focus on the difficulties encountered to make the podcast interesting to the casual listener. It would be good, though, to have had someone saying that, once you get into it, building up to the longer distances is well within most people's reach and encouraging them to give it a try.
Looking forward to part 2.
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The USA-ians don't do bus shelters but their post offices have lobbies to allow 24hr access to post boxes - perfect nap locations out of the rain and wind.
A lot of European riders do the same with bank lobbies, as they can be accessed with a card. The one at Meneac on the PBP is especially favoured.
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Yup. Some French bank lobbies are even carpeted. I can confirm that they are a very civilised option.
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Does anyone know which episode numbers the Audax features are on? I use iTunes. Many thanks.
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Does anyone know which episode numbers the Audax features are on? I use iTunes. Many thanks.
"Episode 23: Proof of Passage" is Part 1
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Yup. Some French bank lobbies are even carpeted. I can confirm that they are a very civilised option.
One of the French LEL 2009 write-ups features a bank lobby in St Neots.
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I guess, also, that the producer needs to focus on the difficulties encountered to make the podcast interesting to the casual listener. It would be good, though, to have had someone saying that, once you get into it, building up to the longer distances is well within most people's reach and encouraging them to give it a try.
To be fair to the producer, it was never intended as advertising for audax - it's a piece about weird shit that people do at night.
In this case on bicycles - via France, and threatened by mountain lions.
I agree that as an "Introduction to Audax" it is a bit skewed!
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Does anyone know which episode numbers the Audax features are on? I use iTunes. Many thanks.
"Episode 23: Proof of Passage" is Part 1
Much appreciated. Thank you.
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Very good overview of our sport. Thanks for making me aware of it :)
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I enjoyed this too - missed this thread until now, but Martin tweeted about it.
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.... chapeau to TSK for suggesting it.
Seconded - a most enjoyable listen.
I'd echo LWB's comment below about the US riders emphasising the challenges but, let's face it, how likely are you to encounter a large mountain lion on the Flatlands 600?
Not likely, granted, but I did recognise the part about drunk drivers and similar yahoos attacking riders. This remains the biggest single deterent factor about Audax for me.
I too, am looking forward to Part 2 - it looks like the podcasts are published monxthly, so we may have to wait a while....
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I guess, also, that the producer needs to focus on the difficulties encountered to make the podcast interesting to the casual listener. It would be good, though, to have had someone saying that, once you get into it, building up to the longer distances is well within most people's reach and encouraging them to give it a try.
To be fair to the producer, it was never intended as advertising for audax - it's a piece about weird shit that people do at night.
In this case on bicycles - via France, and threatened by mountain lions.
I agree that as an "Introduction to Audax" it is a bit skewed!
Yebbut, quite a few newcomers to audax have been inspired by stories about PBP .
As an example of Type 2 fun , it was an interesting addition to the internet.
Even if listeners don't take up audaxing , just doing one bike ride through the night would be an achievement.
Dunwich Dynamo seems to have captured enough people's imagination. Some would say there is an untapped market there.
It brings to mind this thread https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94652.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94652.0) which in itself would make a Nocturne podcast.
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It brings to mind this thread https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94652.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94652.0) which in itself would make a Nocturne podcast.
Gosh! Well that project evolved quite a lot in the year since that thread!
I've duly posted an update... https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94652.msg2102254#msg2102254
There does exist an audio not-quite-podcast-thingy as a result: threads from conversations with Tina Tylen (Kajsa's mum), Hannah Nicklin and Emily Chappell about dot-watching, bodies, maps, wild wees and connections to the people who are important to us. The endurancely minded can find a link to it at the bottom of this post (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94652.msg2102254#msg2102254) and can use it to fill 90 minutes between now and the next Nocturne episode being released!
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http://www.nocturnepodcast.org/ep-24-kindness-others/
The next one from the stable.
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Thanks. Different vibe to the first one. Others may enjoy it more than I did.
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Yes indeed, agree with that Billy, the first was much now to my taste. Felt the second was too long and needed editing, and to be honest there was far too much about that worried woman. I've emailed the producer and suggested they try to do something about LEL but the reply was that a break was needed before anything more about cycling.
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Yes indeed, agree with that Billy, the first was much now to my taste. Felt the second was too long and needed editing, and to be honest there was far too much about that worried woman.
Well, I sort of agree, at last that's how I felt at the beginning of the podcast, but I have to say, as I sat here in the nocturnal hours, I got quite drawn in to Melinda's story, and found it a really good listen in the end. And she's quite a cyclist when it comes to big events. Fair play to her. So much so, I went searching for past times etc. Looking at how quick she has been historically, I think that was a case of sleep deprivation will reign supreme in the end, no matter what, and regardless what you've done in the past. I think we can all relate to how easy it it to lose focus and wander from the goal.
Reality is, it's probably not that easy to compile a 30 min podcast about folk cycling through the early hours with virtually no human interaction, other than with themselves and their own issues! I mean, really....
It did make me reflect a bit though about how the leftpondia [can I say that?] folk find finding long brevets through the night compared to us over here. I'm sure their sense of the huge, the desolate, the uninhabited and the wilderness could potentially be much more profound for them than it is for us over here.
Anyway, I liked it. I think they've struck a very intimate tone to the delivery.
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Anyway, I liked it. I think they've struck a very intimate tone to the delivery.
Very much agree, it's sort of addictive - draws you in more and more. Clever use of narrative. I'm going to go back to their other stuff.
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I liked it and feel it was very much in keeping with the objective of the podcast. I'm not sure that LEL in it's entirety would be a great subject for it though. Once you start looking at an event, you have to delve into all of it's elements that would necessarily drift away from the nocturnal core of Nocturne.
Of course something as momentous as LEL inherently has a lot of great stories attached to it, many of which would be ideal for a podcast. With the popularity of podcasts on the rise it would be a great way to get them out to a wider audience and, just maybe, attract a few more to this niche little pursuit. It would just take the will of a couple of to get out there and record them, edit and package them for listening.
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Different strokes and all that.
I thought an interesting approach would have been to speak more about the role of volunteers in helping people meet the challenge of riding through the night, and how they cope with the tiredness and petulance of the riders. How they work together and deal with their different for of tiredness. It began to touch on that, but then changed direction.
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I have thought for a while that an Audax UK podcast would be an interesting project. I like the content which Jack Thurston puts out on his podcast but I think there's scope to cover a much wider range of topics including the rides, riders' experiences, kit/gear, food. I'd happily discuss further but must point out that, apart from enthusiasm, I have no technical expertise or experience in this kind of thing!
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Different strokes and all that.
I thought an interesting approach would have been to speak more about the role of volunteers in helping people meet the challenge of riding through the night, and how they cope with the tiredness and petulance of the riders. How they work together and deal with their different for of tiredness. It began to touch on that, but then changed direction.
That was my original suggestion, to set up at an overnight control and see what stories came out of that. I'm guessing the other stuff that came out of her explorations were more compelling to the author. Perhaps it's the audax effect that the first plans don't pan out but what happens next is the tale worth telling.
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I'd heard parts of the story before as HK had chatted with Melinda and others a fair bit. She is a tough lady and an impressive rider.
Sleep deprivation often results in good stories but too much aberrant behaviour for my liking. I'll stick with getting enough sleep to function.
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The variable reaction to caffeine is the wild-card in the pack. Using a drug with no real idea of the dose over a period of days is bound to cause some problems. It's appropriate that the sponsor is a coffee company.
These things do sometimes inspire me to look at some of the footage I have. There's a story to be told, and a longer form is interesting. But there's no money online, and broadcast stuff has to have mild jeopardy. I did start to do episodes about PBP, but it's tedious having to promote it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwQ2VAfS-hE
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the latest is up
http://www.nocturnepodcast.org/ep-25-word-hope/
not about cycling.
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http://www.nocturnepodcast.org/ep-25-word-hope/
Again, not about cycling. Although the concept of finding help in the dark of the night is a very Audax Thing....
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Lots of podcasts about cycling out there, some good, some not so good :P
https://podbean.com/site/Search/index?v=cycling
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https://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/nocturne/stay-warm-be-careful
Another podcast from Nocturne, this time about cyclists
delivering food in New York.
"They hate me until they need me."
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https://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/nocturne/stay-warm-be-careful
Another podcast from Nocturne, this time about cyclists
delivering food in New York.
"They hate me until they need me."
Sadly I only managed about half of that. It started to depress me - too much of the same us-and-them stuff you can read in any UK Newspaper Comments section :( Cycling in NY doesn't sound fundamentally much different from big UK cities.
That's not to say there was nothing of interest in it, so some may well enjoy it!
There have been a number of great non-cycling nocturnes since this thread started! The guy adrfit on his surf-board (NW Scotland maybe?) was a great story, well told :thumbsup: