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General Category => The Knowledge => Health & Fitness => Topic started by: sojournermike on 23 February, 2017, 09:37:51 am
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BBC reports today that a group of scientists have suggested that we should all eat 10 portions of fruit and veg each day. Public health England says the "5" guidelines don't need to change, as they are more achievable.
Just how big is a portion?
Does this reflect the increasingly unhelpful state of nutrition science?
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Given the size of my portions I don't think that I could eat ten portions of fruit and veg a day.
I'd like to see some properly researched evidence of the benefits of more F&G. I'm sure that we all need a balanced diet for optimum health and I know that there was the Supersize Me documentary a few years back showing that a fast food diet was not good for you but I have no idea where the happy medium is just like I have no idea about the validity of BMI etc.
And then there is alcohol units per week...
It's all too vague for me to take too seriously.
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It's all too vague for me to take too seriously.
Indeed.
And when "they" say "Fruit and Veg", "they" mostly mean veg, and "they" don't mean potatoes - "they" mean greens and other above-ground veg. Ten times a day? Fuck that. We're hunter-gatherers - when in our history (even post-farming era) have we been able to hunt/gather/farm plants on that scale?
ETA: "Hunt plants?" Really Chris? Those will be the Triffids, I guess... :facepalm:
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1 portion ~ 100 grams
Guidelines here(Denmark) says minimum 600grams/6 portions of vegetables and fruit pr day.
Minimum half shall be vegetables and only no matter how much juice you drink it only counts as 1 portion, due to lack of fibres.
Spuds does not count as a vegetable.
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In the UK one portion is 80 grams.
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In the UK one portion is 80 grams.
Makes sense, 1 kg vegetables a day is quite a lot if you're not a vegetarian :)
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A balanced diet is effectively a majority of fruit and veg (potatoes aren't evil, leave them alone), which is pretty much what the guidelines are saying. Of course, since we have comprehensively weirded diet, there now have to be targets and guidelines, and we can't simply say eat a lot of fruit and veg. That's too simple.
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The article I saw on the BBC mentioned a portion being equivalent to a small banana - or three heaped teaspoonfuls of peas! Perhaps they meant tablespoonful?
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I didn't get where I am today by eating vegetables. If that ends up being what kills me, I reckon that'll be a success.
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The article I saw on the BBC mentioned a portion being equivalent to a small banana - or three heaped teaspoonfuls of peas! Perhaps they meant tablespoonful?
Or, since barely anyone eats with tablespoons, dessertspoonfuls?
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I didn't get where I am today by eating meat - and I'm a depressingly long way further than Kim!
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Does this reflect the increasingly unhelpful state of nutrition science?
What does that mean?
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Makes sense, 1 kg vegetables a day is quite a lot if you're not a vegetarian :)
Given that very few sane people weigh vegetables to judge the number of British Standard Portions, I'm not sure guidance like this helps any more than 'eat less c**p'
The last time one of these reports came out it was 8 portions - so I thought I'd try it for a day. It certainly felt like I ate nothing but veg - although I must have sneaked in some (wholemeal obvs) bread, pasta etc. Evidently my perception of portion size is off
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'A portion' obviously varies according to the food in question. Rough guides are exactly that. And of course a higher proportion of fruit & veg in the diet are better, but what is Mr Average going to say if you insist he consumes ten portions per day? He'd eat even fewer than he currently would under the 'five' label.
The advice is based on people having a grain of common sense, which is obviously overoptimistic, especially where the message gets mangled by the media. I would expect most people on here to have enough nous to see five as a rough (low) guideline, to be able to look for a variety of colour in the veg on their plate, to look at the space on their plate etc etc.
It isn't rocket science, but it is science.
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80 grams of rocket would be a lot!
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80 grams of rocket would be a lot!
:)
I read an old Grauniad article observing that manufacturers like to label fruit pulp with condensed fruit juice as x of your 5 a day, plus they label only the expensive and prepack fruit and veg, not the whole stuff sold at low margin. Seems odd that people don't just ignore all that really.
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I thought the latest research was showing we each differ in what we need to eat (and what's good/bad for us to some degree) by dint of our gut bacteria.
I don't think I know many people who manage the fruit and veg portions a day thing even when it's at "5 portions".
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I thought the latest research was showing we each differ in what we need to eat (and what's good/bad for us to some degree) by dint of our gut bacteria.
Yes and that is why they make a general amount. Some can get by without and some might need a kilo a day.
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I thought the latest research was showing we each differ in what we need to eat (and what's good/bad for us to some degree) by dint of our gut bacteria.
I don't think I know many people who manage the fruit and veg portions a day thing even when it's at "5 portions".
Yes, gut micro-biome is yet another area. I'll leave approaches to self improvement to everyone's imagination...
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no matter how much juice you drink it only counts as 1 portion, due to lack of fibres.
not so if you make smoothies with a nutribullet .... all the fibre is retained
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I thought the latest research was showing we each differ in what we need to eat (and what's good/bad for us to some degree) by dint of our gut bacteria.
Yes, in spades. This is a massively under-funded area of medicine.
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And when "they" say "Fruit and Veg", "they" mostly mean veg, and "they" don't mean potatoes - "they" mean greens and other above-ground veg. Ten times a day? Fuck that. We're hunter-gatherers - when in our history (even post-farming era) have we been able to hunt/gather/farm plants on that scale?
*Ahem*
Studies of the few remaining hunter-gatherer peoples, like the San, suggest that the most of their diet is plant based, i.e. they are gatherer-hunters. And that a _very_ great deal of time* is given over to foraging for edible plants. The meat bit is a, relatively, infrequent bonus. So the eat _lots_ of plants advice tallies with our, likely, pre-farming way of life.
Slightly OT. I have come across articles which argue that moving to farming was, from a dietary point of view, a complete fuck up. People went from a varied diet of whatever the hell green stuff they could find with a bit of meat thrown in now and again to diets based almost totally on cereals.
What farming allowed was increased population density (albeit unhealthier individuals) and all those things that make the modern world possible like reading, writing, political systems, taxes and bureaucracy. Actually putting it that way farming was a bloody stupid idea wasn't it? :)
*And guess who does all that tedious gathering bit while the blokes sod off to the footy^w^w^whunting? :)
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I thought the latest research was showing we each differ in what we need to eat (and what's good/bad for us to some degree) by dint of our gut bacteria.
I don't think I know many people who manage the fruit and veg portions a day thing even when it's at "5 portions".
I generally manage over five, but fewer than ten. But I'm vegetarian and I eat a lot of curries, dhals, soups etc, and I can count the types of fruit and veg I don't like on one hand (parsnips, various beans, celery).
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no matter how much juice you drink it only counts as 1 portion, due to lack of fibres.
not so if you make smoothies with a nutribullet .... all the fibre is retained
Commercial comminuted fruit juices (which I suspect is most of the non-premuim ones, ie not "freshly squeezed") retain all the fibre, as they are made from the whole fruit less the pips.
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Correlation does not mean causation. Are those who eat that much fruit and veg not also likely not to smoke, drink too much, exercise more, and generally look after themselves?
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Are those who eat that much fruit and veg
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I don't think they're saying how MUCH to eat - it's more about eating a greater variety of different [non-meat based] foods.
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Although variety is probably good, the report I heard was very much based on how MUCH, I.e. 800g per day
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Don't confuse stupid reporting with the research.
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Correlation does not mean causation. Are those who eat that much fruit and veg not also likely not to smoke, drink too much, exercise more, and generally look after themselves?
Corrected for in the data analysis.
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Does this reflect the increasingly unhelpful state of 'science' journalism?
Yes
Sorry, FTFY ;)
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Ah, sorry, didn't read to the end, apologies Clarion. Beat me to it.
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I'm glad we agree, caerau :)
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Correlation does not mean causation. Are those who eat that much fruit and veg not also likely not to smoke, drink too much, exercise more, and generally look after themselves?
Corrected for in the data analysis.
Is it? Do you have a link to the actual paper? I only heard the lead author being interviewed on 5Live.
Edit:
Just read the BBC article which says "Not all of the 95 studies that were analysed fully accounted for other aspects of lifestyle, such as exercise levels, that could also play a role in prolonging lives." Obviously quite a substantial meta-analysis though. I also recollect him saying on the radio that there was a big benefit from 5-a-day and the increase to 10-a-day brought a small but measurable extra benefit.
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Here it is:
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/doi/10.1093/ije/dyw319/3039477/Fruit-and-vegetable-intake-and-the-risk-of (https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/doi/10.1093/ije/dyw319/3039477/Fruit-and-vegetable-intake-and-the-risk-of)
Seems that only two of the 95 studies are significant wrt the >500g/day, and of those it isn't clear how many of the participants were at the high end dosage. Not convinced at all by this. My favourite graph is the one showing that 50g/day of tomato is bad for you but 200g/day is good for you ;D
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Thanks fort the link. Appreciate last sentence of results summary, 'xm premature deaths associated with consumption under 500g per day, if the relationship is causal'
Interesting to compare to pure study, whf video linked elsewhere
I maintain a view that the science, never mind the reporting, around nutrition and health is not actually alll that robust. In part, I suspect it's just really difficult and complex for a whole host of reasons. I suspect there are also results that don't fit preconceived ideas and so are hard to assimilate. Plus some (actually quite a lot) of the participants have an almost religious fervour against those who disagree, which clearly doesn't help and creates misinformation. I don't buy the full conspiracy theory stuff. Self interest yes, but not at the level claimed.
Hence Ian's moderation in all things seems a sensible course for most. I think it is clear that too much food is a greater problem in the developed world than too little - albeit even that is a sweepeing generalization when Britain has food banks in operation.
Mike
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I do think we all know that we should be eating a balanced diet, with a preponderance of fruit and veg, and avoidance of processed food. I think we all know that we need to do the sort of exercise that gets us out of breath a few times a week and maintain a general level of activity. While I see what guidelines are trying to achieve by setting quantifiable targets, the advice is really eat your veg and do some exercise. Not only are you likely to live longer, but there's a increase in the quality of life, especially as you get older. My granddad (a steadfast vegetable avoider and serial salad dodger) reached 93 but he wheezed through the last 30 years of that from his chair owing to the fact he'd tarmaced his lungs with Park Drive.
Of course, this all correlates in with socio-economic status etc. I'm faintly posh-o (shut it, mum) so of course wouldn't dream of sending my hypothetical kids out to school in the morning armed with a bag of crisps and Capri Sun (which seems the most popular amongst the school kids that walk past my house, it has a picture of an orange on the front but is 98% sugar syrup and 2% orange juice from concentrate). I can also go to a deli and spend a fiver on a jar of artisanal pickle and afford a gym membership (which my employer picks up the costs of anyway).
Fact is, in the Westernized word, we eat far too much and do far too little. I spent a fair amount of time wandering around developing parts of Africa, and it's grimly interesting watching waistlines start to inflate in places like Lagos in direct correlation with the availability of burgers and stuff. I'm not sure there's a lot of point telling people to eat 10 portions of anything or exercise five a times a week if they're eating nearly none and doing no exercise.
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Sad fact is junk packet food has an almost indefinite shelf life, when fresh fruit and veg do not.
Eating sufficient fresh stuff depends on supplies' availability and the manpower for frequent shopping, preparation or refrigeration.
Kid brother made a mint at school, selling sandwiches Mum made for him cos they were interesting and contained fresh things.
Mum is much of a stay-at-home housewife.
Had to laugh at kid brother's then 4-year-old, stuffing lettuce garnish into tuna sandwiches at a wedding buffet. Veg habits start young!
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Sad fact is junk packet food has an almost indefinite shelf life, when fresh fruit and veg do not.
Eating sufficient fresh stuff depends on supplies' availability and the manpower for frequent shopping, preparation or refrigeration.
Kid brother made a mint at school, selling sandwiches Mum made for him cos they were interesting and contained fresh things.
Mum is much of a stay-at-home housewife.
Had to laugh at kid brother's then 4-year-old, stuffing lettuce garnish into tuna sandwiches at a wedding buffet. Veg habits start young!
Almost completely off topic, but I still remember my oldest daughter, now nearly 15, at the age of 3, announcing to the whole pub that she had just eaten a piece of lettuce!! She even got a round of applause:)
This morning I tried a 5 veg portion breakfast - small green pepper, half a large courgette, small onion and a handful of tomatoes, fired in olive oil and mixed with 3 eggs. Felt uncomfortably full all morning. Given I don't always eat 3 times a day - not for any reason than I don't always feel the need for breakfast early - eating 10 portions across two meals could take some getting used to!
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Sad fact is junk packet food has an almost indefinite shelf life, when fresh fruit and veg do not.
Eating sufficient fresh stuff depends on supplies' availability and the manpower for frequent shopping, preparation or refrigeration.
Kid brother made a mint at school, selling sandwiches Mum made for him cos they were interesting and contained fresh things.
Mum is much of a stay-at-home housewife.
Had to laugh at kid brother's then 4-year-old, stuffing lettuce garnish into tuna sandwiches at a wedding buffet. Veg habits start young!
Me and my good friend Jason the Stupid once got taken to hospital because we'd sat under the slide at infant school and eaten loads of clover under the impression that it was cress. We were about six and I have no explanation for the sudden craving for cress. I did always like egg and cress sandwiches, I suppose. With salad cream (mayonnaise didn't arrive in the East Midlands until 1998).
My family still only eat stuff out of packets. They don't trust food that isn't sealed in plastic and encased in cardboard. Food preparation is the ceremonial disinterment of said foodstuff and installation under the grill or in the oven. My mum was sick once because I used olive oil (it's for your ears!). I blame the 80s, everything was waffly versatile back then. I still eat raw Smash when I think no one is looking.
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I get gassy if I exceed 3 portions of fruit/veg in a meal.
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I get gassy if I exceed 3 portions of fruit/veg in a meal.
Yes, I won't be doing that again until I forget - it's a bit like a hangover, but less comfortable
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It almost certainly depends on what you are used to. My standard midweek lunch is a salad that is mostly tomatoes, salad leaves, a small amount of cheese, olives, olive oil and some tortilla chips. A medium size bowl of it, probably about 4-5 portions in one bowl I think.
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We probably eat around 8 portions of fruit/veg most days, and have done for several years. More than about 3 portions per meal can still leave us gassy.
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Most of our evening meals are 80% veg, even if we do pasta or rice, we'll usually bulk up with veg rather than have a big pile of rice or pasta. Frankly, veg is more interesting. Finely chopped cauliflower makes a good replacement for rice in many meals, I do a fiendish rice-free pilau. It doesn't make me fart any more than usual but I've been eating that way for years. I just have to avoid the musical fruit (not all beans, haricot and butter beans are fine, but I can't touch lentils or kidney beans).
My day is pretty much toast for breakfast, fruit and dried fruit for lunch, and then a big evening meal about 10pm ish. I don't bother counting portions.
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Lunch today was 200g of lettuce, 200g of sprouts (love sprouts), 500g of mushrooms, 120g of quorn, 10g of olive oil. Will have similar amounts at dinner. I've eaten about 400g of fruit today already.
I wouldn't say I am gassy all the time. ;D
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I wouldn't say I am gassy all the time. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Sad fact is junk packet food has an almost indefinite shelf life, when fresh fruit and veg do not.
Eating sufficient fresh stuff depends on supplies' availability and the manpower for frequent shopping, preparation or refrigeration.
Kid brother made a mint at school, selling sandwiches Mum made for him cos they were interesting and contained fresh things.
Mum is much of a stay-at-home housewife.
Had to laugh at kid brother's then 4-year-old, stuffing lettuce garnish into tuna sandwiches at a wedding buffet. Veg habits start young!
On the contrary, I think they end young. Toddlers try just about everything, it's only as they're increasingly exposed to our adult habits that children start to shun veg. At 4 years old your brother's kid had probably not started school...
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Sad fact is junk packet food has an almost indefinite shelf life, when fresh fruit and veg do not.
Eating sufficient fresh stuff depends on supplies' availability and the manpower for frequent shopping, preparation or refrigeration.
Kid brother made a mint at school, selling sandwiches Mum made for him cos they were interesting and contained fresh things.
Mum is much of a stay-at-home housewife.
Had to laugh at kid brother's then 4-year-old, stuffing lettuce garnish into tuna sandwiches at a wedding buffet. Veg habits start young!
On the contrary, I think they end young. Toddlers try just about everything, it's only as they're increasingly exposed to our adult habits that children start to shun veg. At 4 years old your brother's kid had probably not started school...
Was certainly in nursery by then!
Now is oldest of 4 kids, is 8 and is not on diet of beige bilge.
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I started to shun green veg and other unpleasant food at about 2.5. I reckon it's a simple developmental thing, in that you become old enough to know what's nasty taste/texture-wise and how to avoid it (rather than indiscriminately putting things in your mouth and swallowing whatever stays there long enough, as babies do). It certainly wasn't a learned behaviour, as the rest of my family were all happy to eat all sorts of things, and I didn't really have any exposure to anyone else (certainly not in a food context) until I started school aged 5 - by which point attempts to make me eat Not Food would ultimately be futile[1]. *shrug*
[1] I was, as a rule, quite happy to starve until such a time as Food was available. But parents and other adults had Ideas and delicate egos, which meant that all sorts of tactics - some of which I'd consider to be abusive - were attempted on a regular basis. With hindsight, I'd suggest that eating disorders are far more harmful than a lack of vegetables[2], and if you're force-feeding your child with things that make them vomit, you're probably doing it wrong.
[2] Like most supertasters, I eschew fatty foods, carbonated drinks and alcohol, so it's a bit swings-and-roundabouts in health terms.
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Sad fact is junk packet food has an almost indefinite shelf life, when fresh fruit and veg do not.
Eating sufficient fresh stuff depends on supplies' availability and the manpower for frequent shopping, preparation or refrigeration.
Kid brother made a mint at school, selling sandwiches Mum made for him cos they were interesting and contained fresh things.
Mum is much of a stay-at-home housewife.
Had to laugh at kid brother's then 4-year-old, stuffing lettuce garnish into tuna sandwiches at a wedding buffet. Veg habits start young!
On the contrary, I think they end young. Toddlers try just about everything, it's only as they're increasingly exposed to our adult habits that children start to shun veg. At 4 years old your brother's kid had probably not started school...
I do notice a lot of parents announcing announcing that their kid won't or can't eat foods a through z these days (it's usually an extensive list). I can't say I had a choice as a child, my parents were firmly in the eat it now or later, but you will eat it, camp. As a seventies/eighties family, vegetables consisted of frozen rice, potato waffles, and tinned peas though and my mother believed in cooking everything down to its constituent carbon atoms.
It's true though, it's interesting that my niece went from eating most things to the same habits as her mother (which is the same as my parents) – so she won't now eat anything considered foreign (olives, rocket, you name it). I think parents effectively conspire with their kids in food faddism these days. A friend of mine, who's a teacher, is forever getting notes from parents about the kids eating habits from deathly allergies through to intolerances.
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I started to shun green veg and other unpleasant food at about 2.5. I reckon it's a simple developmental thing, in that you become old enough to know what's nasty taste/texture-wise and how to avoid it (rather than indiscriminately putting things in your mouth and swallowing whatever stays there long enough, as babies do). It certainly wasn't a learned behaviour, as the rest of my family were all happy to eat all sorts of things, and I didn't really have any exposure to anyone else (certainly not in a food context) until I started school aged 5 - by which point attempts to make me eat Not Food would ultimately be futile[1]. *shrug*
[1] I was, as a rule, quite happy to starve until such a time as Food was available. But parents and other adults had Ideas and delicate egos, which meant that all sorts of tactics - some of which I'd consider to be abusive - were attempted on a regular basis. With hindsight, I'd suggest that eating disorders are far more harmful than a lack of vegetables[2], and if you're force-feeding your child with things that make them vomit, you're probably doing it wrong.
[2] Like most supertasters, I eschew fatty foods, carbonated drinks and alcohol, so it's a bit swings-and-roundabouts in health terms.
I vaguely recall a magazine article about supertasters, which said most female supertasters avoid fat but most male supertasters seek it out. Some Sunday supplement thing. Only a magazine, only vaguely recalled.
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I started to shun green veg and other unpleasant food at about 2.5. I reckon it's a simple developmental thing, in that you become old enough to know what's nasty taste/texture-wise and how to avoid it (rather than indiscriminately putting things in your mouth and swallowing whatever stays there long enough, as babies do). It certainly wasn't a learned behaviour, as the rest of my family were all happy to eat all sorts of things, and I didn't really have any exposure to anyone else (certainly not in a food context) until I started school aged 5 - by which point attempts to make me eat Not Food would ultimately be futile[1]. *shrug*
[1] I was, as a rule, quite happy to starve until such a time as Food was available. But parents and other adults had Ideas and delicate egos, which meant that all sorts of tactics - some of which I'd consider to be abusive - were attempted on a regular basis. With hindsight, I'd suggest that eating disorders are far more harmful than a lack of vegetables[2], and if you're force-feeding your child with things that make them vomit, you're probably doing it wrong.
[2] Like most supertasters, I eschew fatty foods, carbonated drinks and alcohol, so it's a bit swings-and-roundabouts in health terms.
I vaguely recall a magazine article about supertasters, which said most female supertasters avoid fat but most male supertasters seek it out. Some Sunday supplement thing. Only a magazine, only vaguely recalled.
Interesting stuff. I had a reasonably good palate for wine when I was younger and better practiced. Now I seek out all food, but do like fat as well as bread and potatoes. Mrs S also has a discriminate palate and avoids fat by preference.
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I can't eat fat, it's boak territory. The texture is eeky. I can't even do full fat milk, that oily sludge on top. Just the texture of it.
But that said, I remain convinced that food fads are mostly learned behaviour, even if indirectly through the eat-your-greens and no-mum-I'm-not. My wife has a big list of things she won't eat which includes foods that are red, drinks that are warm, etc. Then she has the cheek to, as we peruse a restaurant menu, ask me 'if there's anything I'll eat on there.'
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When you put it like that it just makes me realize that I pretty well like everything and my big trouble is self restraint. My youngest is fussy, but even she is starting to try stuff without pressure from us
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But that said, I remain convinced that food fads are mostly learned behaviour,
This. How else do, for example, Koreans grow up loving the crunch of cartilage, or the slime of sea cucumber. Or the French the aroma of andouilette.
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But that said, I remain convinced that food fads are mostly learned behaviour,
This. How else do, for example, Koreans grow up loving the crunch of cartilage, or the slime of sea cucumber. Or the French the aroma of andouilette.
Or anyone enjoying beer...
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But that said, I remain convinced that food fads are mostly learned behaviour,
This. How else do, for example, Koreans grow up loving the crunch of cartilage, or the slime of sea cucumber. Or the French the aroma of andouilette.
Or anyone enjoying beer...
Or tea or coffee...
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Now there's a thought - andouilette, frites and a glass of leffe
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I think that's all I eat on PBP. maybe that's why I failed :'(
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Too true. It should have been pheasant, champagne and a good woman.
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But that said, I remain convinced that food fads are mostly learned behaviour,
This. How else do, for example, Koreans grow up loving the crunch of cartilage, or the slime of sea cucumber. Or the French the aroma of andouilette.
See, all those are ick. The Japanese made me eat a sea cucumber. It's not cucumber. Big lie! Chinese menus, let's not go there. I inadvertently ate a bullfrog last time. I remember once getting served the insides of a pig's knee in Serbia. Oh, that was gross, particularly as it bought all my human anatomy back. Oh look, the medial meniscus.
I thank the lord there was nothing more exotic in my childhood kitchen than fish fingers and instant mash. There's no upper limit on how often I can eat fish fingers, instant mash, peas and packet parsley sauce.
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The article I saw on the BBC mentioned a portion being equivalent to a small banana - or three heaped teaspoonfuls of peas! Perhaps they meant tablespoonful?
Or, since barely anyone eats with tablespoons, dessertspoonfuls?
I eat my peas with honey
I've done it all my life
It makes the peas taste funny
But it keeps them on the knife
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Breakfast today - soya milk, protein powder & banana smoothie - 1
Lunch - microwaved sweet potato with baked beans & cheese, persimmon 3
Dinner tonight - pilaf (brown rice, an onion & garlic, peas, peanuts) with kale and cauliflower 4
So that's eight. Throw in an avocado while I wait for the pilaf to cook, and some grapes later and that's ten. Possibly 11 if I can count the beans and the rice, but I think that's not allowed.
If I'd had beans on toast, or a cheese sandwich (maybe with tomato) for lunch instead, and based my evening meal around meat, it would be more difficult.
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Breakfast - toast and marmalade (1, on account that marmalade is basically oranges)
Lunch - one mango (2) and some dried apricots (3) (oh, they were apricots once).
Snack - a portion of pecans (4)
Dinner (which I will have later) - chicken curry with veggie pilaf (cauliflower (5), brussels (6), beans (7), and peas (8).
Oh no, I'm short.
I'll have a bottle of Belgish tripel (barley (9), oats (10), wheat (11), hops (12)).
See, it's easy. And yes, grains are vegetables, obvs.
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Breakfast - Porridge
Lunch - Black pudding sandwiches, crisps, boiled egg.
Tea - Baked spud, tomato soup with extra chicken and toasted cheese croutons.
Supper. Umm, mebbe oatcakes with cheese or cornflakes. Or mebbe both.
Hmmm, must try harder. :D
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Breakfast: Smoothie (1), toast, tea
Snack: tea, biscuit
Lunch: Sandwich, yoghurt, orange (2), pressed fruit bar thing (3)
Dinner: Fishcakes, beans (3) and broccoli (4), orange juice (5)
Snack: Tea, chocolate
Yeah there's not ten things there! However tea is made of leaves...................
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Breakfast: Oats & raisins in milk, orange juice. 1.5
Lunch: Prêt A Manger sandwich partner obtained FOC previous night, 4 lettuce leaves, fresh pineapple. 1.5
Supper: Salmon in Lemon juice and lime juice, Carrot, broccoli, potato, orange 3
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Breakfast: Oats & raisins in milk, orange juice. 1.5
Lunch: Prêt A Manger sandwich partner obtained FOC previous night, 4 lettuce leaves, fresh pineapple. 1.5
Supper: Salmon in Lemon juice and lime juice, Carrot, broccoli, potato, orange 3
One is tempted to ask, 'How?'
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Breakfast- large nutribullet with protein powder (5)
Snack- banana, apple (7)
Lunch- swet potato with half tin beans, large salad (12)
Snack- nakd bar (13)
Dinner- stir fried beans with pepper, carrot, leeks, broccoli, beansprouts, mushrooms all in coconut oil (19)
Pudding- strawberries and raspberries with a squirt of choc shot on top (21)
That's pretty typical for me. No low carb here ;)
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Breakfast: Oats & raisins in milk, orange juice. 1.5
Lunch: Prêt A Manger sandwich partner obtained FOC previous night, 4 lettuce leaves, fresh pineapple. 1.5
Supper: Salmon in Lemon juice and lime juice, Carrot, broccoli, potato, orange 3
One is tempted to ask, 'How?'
Brent Cyclists hold evening meetings at Wembley Pret on odd-numbered months.
At the end of trade, Pret dispose of unsold food.
The charity which usually collects this for distribution to homeless people had not collected that evening.
Brent Cyclists were offered this food to prevent wastage.
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Breakfast: Oats & raisins in milk, orange juice. 1.5
Lunch: Prêt A Manger sandwich partner obtained FOC previous night, 4 lettuce leaves, fresh pineapple. 1.5
Supper: Salmon in Lemon juice and lime juice, Carrot, broccoli, potato, orange 3
One is tempted to ask, 'How?'
Ah, just wondered as I knew about the usual distribution approach
Brent Cyclists hold evening meetings at Wembley Pret on odd-numbered months.
At the end of trade, Pret dispose of unsold food.
The charity which usually collects this for distribution to homeless people had not collected that evening.
Brent Cyclists were offered this food to prevent wastage.