Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => GPS => Topic started by: Numpty on 03 March, 2019, 11:08:33 pm
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My first post on this site, so apologies if this has been covered before. I have owned an Edge Explore for 5+ months, superficially a v attractive item, but mine is unbelievably unreliable. I set it in a particular way, and it resets itself, the display changes for no reason, today for no reason it froze and I could find no way to resuscitate it while riding(plugging it in to charge at home seems to have done the trick!), half way through today's ride it decided it would not recognise my Varia (something that had worked 100% in the past) etc. etc. Please can other owners let me know, is this typical of the edge explore?
You can tell I am losing patience, but I cannot escape the idea that Garmin make the best cycling computers, in case I feel forced to upgrade, please can anyone give me a glowing recommendation.
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No experience of the Garmin but I was looking for a GPS about a year ago. Anecdotally I’d got the impression that he Garmin was unreliable for the reasons that you mentioned so bought a Wahoo! ELEMNT.
So far it’s been 100% reliable and I haven’t regretted it.
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Garmin have always been a bit buggy but seem to have got worse the last few years. My Etrex Touch 25 bricked itself after about a month which was probably a good thing as I was tearing my hair out by then. Like Paul I've moved to Wahoo and find it a much more pleasant experience.
That's a shame to hear about the Edge Explore though as I'd heard good things about it.
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please can anyone give me a glowing recommendation.
etrex 30.
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My Etrex 30 review (http://www.aukweb.net/gps/e30-review.pdf)
However recommending an Etrex to someone struggling with GPS no longer feels like the right thing to do. They are increasingly old-skule and there is increasing expectation of phone-integrated devices which as I understand it is where the Wahoo comes in, I've never encountered one but it does seem to attract quite good user feedback.
It's just unfortunate that we are cyclists and are therefore naturally drawn to the Edge range, which are Garmin's cycle-specific devices. My partner and I have both been cycling 'paperless' with Garmins for over 13 years now, including multi-week long distance tours all over the world, with no problems at all. But in all that time we have avoided the Edges because anecdotally they seem so problematic. Or maybe they just don't recover well from user error.
Sheila often leads group tours which give me a good opportunity to see and compare various different models of (Garmin) GPS in use, in similar conditions. We recommend our participants to use a Garmin Etrex but fully expect more than half of them to bring an Edge. We each carry a spare Etrex. These usually get deployed on day 2 of the trip when the first 2 Edges 'fail'. I say 'fail' because my observation on the road is that almost all Edge 'failures' are actually one or other type of user error - inadequate battery care, inability to load route files, etc etc. As the tour goes on with a process of gentle education the Edges become more usable.
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My Etrex 30 review (http://www.aukweb.net/gps/e30-review.pdf)
...phone-integrated devices which as I understand it is where the Wahoo comes in...
Which is why Wahoo is a non-starter for me.
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Yeah, me too.
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I've had 3 Garmins - graduating from a 200 (which I still have) to an Edge Touring and now an Edge 1000 - the 200 and 1000 have been perfectly well-behaved ... the Touring suffered the sort of symptoms you describe - doing a couple of consecutive factory resets seemed to eventually fix it -
And the obvious question: have you connected it to Garmin's site to see if there are any updates? My recollection is that there was a pretty fundamental update not long ago that expanded the works so much that it MUST have an SD card in it to work (and a better map too).
Rob
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My Etrex 30 review (http://www.aukweb.net/gps/e30-review.pdf)
...phone-integrated devices which as I understand it is where the Wahoo comes in...
Which is why Wahoo is a non-starter for me.
It's really no big deal. There's no need to have the phone so running or connected while you're using the device: what Wahoo have done is basically move some of the fine control of the device offboard, so if you want to load a track or load since basemaps, you do it via your phone. This is a very cunning stunt which short circuits the old trade-off between buttons (less space left for the screen, and the evil Etrex joystick of doom) or touchscreen (doesn't work in the wet or with gloves).
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what Wahoo have done is basically move some of the fine control of the device offboard, so if you want to load a track or load since basemaps, you do it via your phone.
What does Wahoo do for those of us who do not own a smartphone?
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I have had no problems with my edge touring GPS except for concerns about battery life. I don't use it for audux though. The touch screen is usable .I just wish it showed campsites on the mapping :)
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what Wahoo have done is basically move some of the fine control of the device offboard, so if you want to load a track or load since basemaps, you do it via your phone.
What does Wahoo do for those of us who do not own a smartphone?
This.
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what Wahoo have done is basically move some of the fine control of the device offboard, so if you want to load a track or load since basemaps, you do it via your phone.
What does Wahoo do for those of us who do not own a smartphone?
Wait until you get one free with your next mobile contact, which itself costs less than the price of a landline.
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I have had no problems with my edge touring GPS except for concerns about battery life. I don't use it for audux though. The touch screen is usable .I just wish it showed campsites on the mapping :-)
I used my Edge Touring Plus on an audax. No problems whatsoever. Just followed the route.
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Thanks for all the contributions, at least I know I'm not alone, and there may be a solution if I trash my Edge Explore. That said, yesterday I dumped my Garmin phone app and reinstalled it to get the latest version, which I subsequently synced, as I did with my Edge - Garmin Express assured me that I was up to date and synced, and just to prove it they noted my last Sync was 17th Feb!?
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what Wahoo have done is basically move some of the fine control of the device offboard, so if you want to load a track or load since basemaps, you do it via your phone.
What does Wahoo do for those of us who do not own a smartphone?
Wait until you get one free with your next mobile contact, which itself costs less than the price of a landline.
What contract?
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Anyone using a Garmin Edge Explore on Garmin Edge mount; is there access underneath to the battery port, so that one could attach an external battery pack cable?
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If you mean does the Explore have battery contacts in the mount that can use the Garmin battery under the mount, then no, it doesn’t. But then it is cheaper than more recent 530/830/1030 units. Of course you can always plug in a USB cable to a remote battery, which is what I do with my old but still working 810. Not as neat but it works esp as the internal battery ages.
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Of course you can always plug in a USB cable to a remote battery, which is what I do with my old but still working 810.
Not as neat but it works esp as the internal battery ages.
That's what I'm thinking of doing. However, with the battery port directly underneath the unit (as it
connects to the Garmin or K-Edge mount) this won't be possible. It's definately not possible with the
stem mount.
Can you post pictures of your set-up?
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Yeah, with the standard handlebar mount you can attach a cable. I’ve done this a few times.
Generally try to avoid needing to do it though, as it’s not good for the socket having the stress of a cable attached and rattling around on bumpy roads. Also not a good idea if it’s raining.
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Yeah, with the standard handlebar mount you can attach a cable. I’ve done this a few times.
I've seen the handlebar mount (in pictures), but in my mind's eye can't see how a cable will
get through the tiny slits in it.
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Yeah, with the standard handlebar mount you can attach a cable. I’ve done this a few times.
I've seen the handlebar mount (in pictures), but in my mind's eye can't see how a cable will
get through the tiny slits in it.
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Maybe we're talking at cross purposes... which mount do you mean?
I just use the standard one that came with the device and have no problem attaching the cable while the device is in situ on my bars - and no need for it to go through the mount.
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No worries. I've just seen how a unit attaches to one of the mounts in this advert (https://www.wiggle.co.uk/garmin-flush-out-front-mount?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=100460561&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjpCRzdmG9AIVEJntCh3cjAUsEAQYAiABEgIUxPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds), so I'm now
sure it'll be ok.
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.. I have owned an Edge Explore for 5+ months, superficially a v attractive item, but mine is unbelievably unreliable....
You could try a factory reset and then run any updates.
My Garmin 810 (https://www.plsmith.co.uk/my-reviews/garmin-edge-810-gps-review) was initially unstable, over time what I found helped to improve things was to never use Bluetooth to Sync data, like uploading a course. I always use the genuine Garmin lead (copies that seem to fit perfectly may not transfer the data fully) dragging the course into the 'F Drive-New folder' to add it to the unit. I also only add courses from the site I created them, I found if I imported a course from one site to another, RWGPS (https://ridewithgps.com/) into Garmin Connect (https://connect.garmin.com/signin/)for example, then onto the Garmin 810 the course may get slightly corrupted and even if visually the route looked OK I found the unit may become unstable
I seldom use Garmin Connect (https://connect.garmin.com/signin/)to create a course, since I've had my 810 it has improved but it has been consistently behind other free course planning software. It still shares routing with runners so it will still often send you the wrong way around roundabouts, the wrong way down one way streets and take you down tracks even if you have selected 'follow roads', overriding this on route effectively going 'off course' often causes the 810 to crash. At the moment I normally use the free version of www.alltrails.com (https://www.alltrails.com/) (was GPSies (https://support.alltrails.com/hc/en-us/articles/360029500751-GPSies-is-now-a-part-of-AllTrails)) or RWGPS (https://ridewithgps.com/)to create the course and add to the 810 via usb, unlike Garmin connect their software navigates roundabouts and one streets correctly. I've found both quite similar and user friendly, a course is intuitive to plan, then edit if needed. The reason I now use alltrails (https://www.alltrails.com/) is if I want add my own notes in the form of a 'waypoint'; like 'café', 'bikeshop', a feature that is no longer free with ridewithgps. (https://ridewithgps.com/)
With both what I like is you can toggle between 'hiking-cycling-driving' when creating, so you can switch to 'hiking' if you want to take a shortcut over a footbridge for example then back to driving if you want to stay on roads. On alltrails there are two cycle focused modes, 'Bike touring' may include a smooth trail where as 'Road biking' will be on paved roads and paths that support bicycle access.
Of course you can always plug in a USB cable to a remote battery, which is what I do with my old but still working 810.
Not as neat but it works esp as the internal battery ages.
That's what I'm thinking of doing. However, with the battery port directly underneath the unit (as it
connects to the Garmin or K-Edge mount) this won't be possible. It's definitely not possible with the
stem mount. ...Can you post pictures of your set-up?
Incase you have not read the reply above I also have an old Garmin 810 (https://www.plsmith.co.uk/my-reviews/garmin-edge-810-gps-review); I still use and carry a Power Bank for longer rides, the USB lead reaches perfectly from either a top tube bag or bar bag. Last summer I rode an 8 hour day using tbt on the map screen, mid way around the course I was down to 50% battery so I knew I would be pushing my luck just using the 810's battery reserve so I plugged in the Power Bank. When I got home it had charged back up to 100%, the Powerbank (a Goji G10PBWP17 (https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/06/best-gadgets-for-the-beach-and-outdoors/)) itself has battery indicator with four LEDs so you know how much charge it has left; it had all four still lit.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51679292309_a8bec14002_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51677818262_1a4051ce20_z.jpg)
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I already had that power bank, I didn't buy it with this in mind, it's waterproof and robust but you can get them much smaller, lighter and cheaper. In your case if you mount the Garmin Edge Explore on the bar instead of on the stem like I have is there access to the USB port underneath the unit? If not I know a few who prefer to only use a power bank to give the Garmin a quick a 'top up' at a café or lunch stop for example. Alternatively there is the Garmin Charge Pack (https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/p/pn/010-12562-00)
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My setup is very similar, though I bought a right angle mini USB cable to give a neater cable run.
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I've tried this with an Edge Touring Plus and one of those cylindrical power packs, which sits on a generic torch mount from eBay, just under the GPS. But I've sometimes found that the GPS gets confused and shuts itself down when it actually has 50% power. Other times it works brilliantly. I've not worked out why the behaviour varies.
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Generally this happens if the external power source is interrupted for any reason, even very briefly like you have a loose connection and then you hit a bump in the road. Then the Garmin tells you it's shutting down (even if it's own battery has plenty of charge) and gives you 15 secs to cancel this. If you don't see this notification in time, it switches itself off. When the external power comes back on, the Garmin switches itself back on.
This, to me, is Garmin's (all Garmins) most annoying feature. It cannot be switched off. A mobile phone (and maybe other brands of GPS*) cam cope with with a an on/off external power supply without complaint.
* If you know of one, I'd love to know.
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Thanks - that's really helpful (and annoying, I agree, stupid design). At least I know what to do to try to fix it.
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That's one of the useful features that they dropped after the eTrex HCx (which had a config option for staying on when external power is lost).
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I've still got my HCx. Maybe I should go back to it...
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Generally this happens if the external power source is interrupted for any reason, even very briefly like you have a loose connection and then you hit a bump in the road. Then the Garmin tells you it's shutting down (even if it's own battery has plenty of charge) and gives you 15 secs to cancel this. If you don't see this notification in time, it switches itself off. When the external power comes back on, the Garmin switches itself back on....
That maybe another reason why some prefer to only use a power bank to give their Garmin a quick a 'top up' at a café or lunch stop etc. My Garmin does charge quite quickly; I would imagine for many these 'top up' charges may well be all that is needed to complete a ride.
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Generally I get out of the cafe and think, "Oh no, I forgot to charge it!" >:(
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Generally this happens if the external power source is interrupted for any reason, even very briefly like you have a loose connection and then you hit a bump in the road. Then the Garmin tells you it's shutting down (even if it's own battery has plenty of charge) and gives you 15 secs to cancel this. If you don't see this notification in time, it switches itself off. When the external power comes back on, the Garmin switches itself back on....
That maybe another reason why some prefer to only use a power bank to give their Garmin a quick a 'top up' at a café or lunch stop etc. My Garmin does charge quite quickly; I would imagine for many these 'top up' charges may well be all that is needed to complete a ride.
Yes, exactly this.
Plug it in as soon as I arrive at the cafe stop - that usually gives it enough time to charge it enough to last at least until the next stop, unless it's a very fleeting stop.
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Battery life on the Edge 1030 Plus is seriously impressive, but everything else is less so. I’ve mentioned its inability to follow and record routes with lots of points in another thread, but its ETA forecasting is also hopelessly broken.
(https://i.ibb.co/3MSCJRM/3512621-B-8-A10-485-F-B638-3-C9935-AFE0-C9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3MSCJRM)
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Battery life on the Edge 1030 Plus is seriously impressive, but everything else is less so. I’ve mentioned its inability to follow and record routes with lots of points in another thread, but its ETA forecasting is also hopelessly broken.
(https://i.ibb.co/3MSCJRM/3512621-B-8-A10-485-F-B638-3-C9935-AFE0-C9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3MSCJRM)
Have you tried the My Edge2 app ?
https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/612e0b7a-ac48-47b3-8718-a8f66109ab90 (https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/612e0b7a-ac48-47b3-8718-a8f66109ab90)
(https://services.garmin.com/appsLibraryBusinessServices_v0/rest/apps/4262c271-a0b7-4e7b-abc6-b9527668b027/screenshots/970ba904-f6d6-46b3-bedc-d2f8e02b0f4f)
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Yep, I’ve investigated that, but it’s a third-party sledgehammer solution for a stock peanut feature that should work properly on premium Garmin hardware (and does, on other models I’ve had).
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Is it possible to change the sd card on an Edge Explore?
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Edge explore doesn't have any provision for extra storage
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Garmin stopped putting microSD card slots in their devices. I have a Edge 810 and a Edge Touring which I think are the last models with them. The newer models do have larger internal memories, 16Gb IIRC.
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Garmin stopped putting microSD card slots in their devices. I have a Edge 810 and a Edge Touring which I think are the last models with them. The newer models do have larger internal memories, 16Gb IIRC.
Bought a GPS MAP 66st as the Edge 1000 is on its last legs. My old 60 series never hung up and the buttons still work, only downside was its battery hungry. Last run a hidden test menu jumped up on the 1000 as I was out on a track. No way to remove or change the screen page. The power button is broken, so no 3 button reset function. New handheld has a 36 hour battery and an extended life function and I can use all my SD card maps, wish the Edge models were built to the same standard as the handhelds.