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Title: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 18 October, 2022, 06:19:19 pm
I fancy doing a bit of touring in Scotland next year. I would get the train to Edinburgh or Glasgow to start. Looking at a loop of around 1000 miles. If I fancy doing a bit more, I can always ride home.

First draft of route (clockwise):

(https://zaribor.co.uk/raz/pics/2023/sco1-s.jpg) (https://zaribor.co.uk/raz/pics/2023/sco1-l.jpg)

Clickage for large pic (https://zaribor.co.uk/raz/pics/2023/sco1-l.jpg)

The two main bits I want to do are The Hebridean Way and NCN7 around The Cairngorms National Park. Oh and obvioulsy Bealach-Na-Ba. Be rude to go all the way up there and not do that. The bits in between are what need fine tuning.

Once around Glasgow, I could stay north of the Clyde and make my way up to Oban via Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park rather than the more circuitous route shown above. Which is nicer?

Coming back from Harris, I've gone with ferry to Skye, but I could get the ferry to Ullapool and attack the west to east part to Inverness that way. Thoughts?

Once in Inverness, it's just a case of generally heading south back to where I started.

If you could share your wisdom, it would be much appreciated.

Ta.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Paul H on 18 October, 2022, 07:15:57 pm
Have you been to the Hebrides before? 
IMO the spinal Hebridean Way misses some of the best riding there.  It's hard to come up with circular routes, but it's all stunning enough to ride out and back.  Harris is also worth a full circle, the contrast between West and East coasts is stark, I did a little reading on the clearances before going, the scenery put it into context.
My advice would be to cover a smaller area and explore it more thoroughly. There's probably 400+ miles of touring just in the Hebrides.
Whatever you do will be good, I just have some regrets about missing parts of an area toured which I can't now visit unless I retrace a lot of the original tour.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on 18 October, 2022, 07:25:58 pm
Many years ago I worked out a route for the isles. Never did it though.
I would start by going to Glasgow then train to Ardrossan. Ferry to Arran. Ride around Arran to the ferry from Lochranza to Calonaig. Optional trip down the peninsula to Campbeltown. Over to Islay then start your island hopping trip.

I am going to stick my neck out here - it is over 25 years since I cycled seriously in Scotland. The A82 up Loch Lomond is not a pleasant road and there is not much alternative to avoid it.  I may be wrong.

But anyway - start with Arran then stitch a journey up the Isles from there.
And don;t miss out Raasay. What a wonderful place. I reached there once on my venerable Trek mountain bike without much food. I moseyed down to the village shop and asked for a pie. "Oh yes" they said. "We will order you one for tomorrow. Come back then".  Not much crime on Raasay - they would only wait for you at the one ferry you can use for escape.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 18 October, 2022, 08:17:48 pm
My advice would be to cover a smaller area and explore it more thoroughly. There's probably 400+ miles of touring just in the Hebrides.

Yeah, I've basically just plotted the route along the official Hebridean Way, I can always make detours and explore :)

I am going to stick my neck out here - it is over 25 years since I cycled seriously in Scotland. The A82 up Loch Lomond is not a pleasant road and there is not much alternative to avoid it.  I may be wrong.

I suspected that might be the case. I noticed there isn't much in the way of cycle routes around there (apart from some serious offroad/MTB stuff). I'll avoid!
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on 18 October, 2022, 08:28:02 pm
I did Glasgow to Killin once. Damn near killed myself but hey ho.. There is a cycle route along Glen Ogle and if Im not wrong along the other side of Loch Lubnaig. A much slower route than the A82 but much more pleasurable.

Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Deano on 18 October, 2022, 09:03:46 pm
Yeah, I'd go over the Trossachs, there's a lot of urban riding in there by the looks of it, though the canalpath around Falkirk is alright.

There are plenty of decent routes through to Callander and a pretty good off-road track from there over to Comrie (all Scottish routes must go to Comrie, it's a thing).

Glen Torridon is amazing, you've made a good choice there, looks like a lot of fun. But just checking, what's the bit of offroad in the middle there? It looks a bit like the track from Strath Conon to Achnasheen/Strathbran - I haven't ridden it, I rejected it after reading a few reports ;D
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 18 October, 2022, 09:09:47 pm
I wouldn't bother going inland on the way to oban, just batter up the coast road.

On the return rather than coming down the A9 track from pitlochry ,id go to aberfeldy up griffin then down the sma glen, heelanman loan then kinky bridge to auchterarder, over gleneagles, dither through clackmannanshire and lowland perthshire to townhill then accept dunfermline and rosyth are dumps enroute to the bridge.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 18 October, 2022, 09:11:16 pm
I did Glasgow to Killin once. Damn near killed myself but hey ho.. There is a cycle route along Glen Ogle and if Im not wrong along the other side of Loch Lubnaig. A much slower route than the A82 but much more pleasurable.

Pretty decent except for the red graded mtb section at Lochearnhead
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 18 October, 2022, 09:13:20 pm
But just checking, what's the bit of offroad in the middle there? It looks a bit like the track from Strath Conon to Achnasheen/Strathbran - I haven't ridden it, I rejected it after reading a few reports ;D

I dunno! That's where RWGPS took me. Will obvioulsy make a more careful route when the time comes...
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Pingu on 18 October, 2022, 09:15:33 pm
...On the return rather than coming down the A9 track from pitlochry ,id go to aberfeldy up griffin then down the sma glen, heelanman loan then kinky bridge to auchterarder, over gleneagles, dither through clackmannanshire and lowland perthshire to townhill then accept dunfermline and rosyth are dumps enroute to the bridge.

Or turn south to Trinafour and Tummel Bridge to Aberfeldy. Nice & scenic  :)
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 18 October, 2022, 09:16:23 pm
On the return rather than coming down the A9 track from pitlochry ,id go to aberfeldy up griffin then down the sma glen, heelanman loan then kinky bridge to auchterarder, over gleneagles, dither through clackmannanshire and lowland perthshire to townhill then accept dunfermline and rosyth are dumps enroute to the bridge.

Ta, I hadn't thought too much about that bit
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: phantasmagoriana on 18 October, 2022, 09:27:03 pm
I did Glasgow to Killin once. Damn near killed myself but hey ho..

Which route? I did it a couple of years ago and it was fine - I just followed NCN7, though...
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Deano on 18 October, 2022, 09:27:28 pm
I wouldn't bother going inland on the way to oban, just batter up the coast road.

On the return rather than coming down the A9 track from pitlochry ,id go to aberfeldy up griffin then down the sma glen, heelanman loan then kinky bridge to auchterarder, over gleneagles, dither through clackmannanshire and lowland perthshire to townhill then accept dunfermline and rosyth are dumps enroute to the bridge.

Damn, I thought it was the other way round  :facepalm:

Anyway, FE describes pretty-much the reverse of this route, which does at least miss Dunfermline. You still get Rosyth, but it has the bonus of not going through Cowdenbeath or Perth. I've always found Perth a right pain to get through onna bike.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30166330
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: αdαmsκι on 18 October, 2022, 09:57:33 pm
As FifeingEejit said, heading south after Aviemore I cut westwards away from the A9 onto some beautiful little roads and head to Aberfeldy, essentially reversing my LEJoG route, see here:

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/17001526

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/16914184

But only if you fancy some extra climbing.....

On Harris ride the eastern road "Then Golden Road"  https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/harris/goldenroad/index.html
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 October, 2022, 12:24:49 am
...On the return rather than coming down the A9 track from pitlochry ,id go to aberfeldy up griffin then down the sma glen, heelanman loan then kinky bridge to auchterarder, over gleneagles, dither through clackmannanshire and lowland perthshire to townhill then accept dunfermline and rosyth are dumps enroute to the bridge.

Or turn south to Trinafour and Tummel Bridge to Aberfeldy. Nice & scenic  :)
True but I think eating before Kenmore or aberfeldy might be handy, there's only the shop at Tummel Bridge caravan park, and I think the shop at the deer park caravan park after going up schiehallion.

Edit
Actually wait! Kinloch Rannoch after trinafour would sort out that problem, a shop thy still has long departed VG branding and iirc a couple of cafes.
I'd say schiehallion road is probably easier than going up the ramp from Tummel.

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Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 October, 2022, 12:28:46 am
I wouldn't bother going inland on the way to oban, just batter up the coast road.

On the return rather than coming down the A9 track from pitlochry ,id go to aberfeldy up griffin then down the sma glen, heelanman loan then kinky bridge to auchterarder, over gleneagles, dither through clackmannanshire and lowland perthshire to townhill then accept dunfermline and rosyth are dumps enroute to the bridge.

Damn, I thought it was the other way round  :facepalm:

Anyway, FE describes pretty-much the reverse of this route, which does at least miss Dunfermline. You still get Rosyth, but it has the bonus of not going through Cowdenbeath or Perth. I've always found Perth a right pain to get through onna bike.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30166330
I've sent roamin in the Gloamin right through Perth, it was fine when we tested it and was necessary to get little glen shee in without flat crossing the a9 at findo gask which I'd include just for the name otherwise.




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Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: woollypigs on 19 October, 2022, 07:37:50 am
Lack of riding on Mull, DEET, many pot holes on the northern bit of Skye (well back on 2019) SMIDGE, and do the Golden road (eastern) on Harris, MIDGE NET. Else you will be fine, soo many place to see and do. ANTI ITCH CREAM. Post pictures!  ANTI HISTAMIN.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Wowbagger on 19 October, 2022, 08:07:28 am
It might add a day or two to include the southern and western bits of Mull, but they are well worth riding.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 October, 2022, 11:17:34 am
Looking at the bit of highland fling I didn't get to.
That goes to crieff from gilmerton then the muthil road, which is occsionally uncomfortably busy and was raised by riders as a bit to adjust on Och Hills. (I have found more hills to add to sort that out)

What I was meaning is
Gilmerton - Inverpeffary - Kinkell Bridge - Auchterarder - Gleneagles village - etc.
Much quieter!

Although on the basis that the Bealach nam Ba is in there
Auchterarder - Dunning - Path of condie - Milnathort  ;D
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Pingu on 19 October, 2022, 11:47:47 am
Although on the basis that the Bealach nam Ba is in there
Auchterarder - Dunning - Path of condie - Milnathort  ;D

+ Strathmiglo - Falkland - Leslie ( - Ballingry - Lochgelly - Cowdenbeath - Crossgates  :P )
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 October, 2022, 11:51:17 am
Although on the basis that the Bealach nam Ba is in there
Auchterarder - Dunning - Path of condie - Milnathort  ;D

+ Strathmiglo - Falkland - Leslie ( - Ballingry - Lochgelly - Cowdenbeath - Crossgates  :P )

Ach... throw in Milnathort - Yetts -> Duchally -> Dunning -> Yetts -> Balgeddie Toll -> Strathmiglo
in the middle too

Logie Kirkyaird is quite pleasant this time of year an aw....
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: andyoxon on 19 October, 2022, 12:17:12 pm
Bobb, you may be interested in having a play with brouter:  https://brouter.de/brouter-web/#map=7/57.454/-3.988/standard  It has useful routing options e.g. different types of "Trekking bike", and also "Fast Bike"...   I tend to use it, before exporting and moving to Ridewgps...

Thought of going up to Lochinver?   Something along the lines of your route, in brouter:

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Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 October, 2022, 01:56:30 pm
brouter

Interesting quirks
at Tarbert, loch fyne - would jsut go up main road rather than that loop
at Kilmelford and kilniver- would jsut stay on main road
at glencruiten - may as well stay on main road, though the glencruitten approach is nicer in a way, council house scheme rather than industrial estate
some oddities on uists but gonig by balvaniach makes sense
never understood why these tools always dodge the Struie, it's way more interesting if hilly
and other than mt sugegstion about aberfeldy/trinafour it's pretty good
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 19 October, 2022, 02:01:55 pm
Bobb, you may be interested in having a play with brouter:  https://brouter.de/brouter-web/#map=7/57.454/-3.988/standard 

Cheers! I've not seen that before.

I'm certainly getting lots of options here!
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Pingu on 19 October, 2022, 03:14:34 pm
And there's the option of the Kylerhea ferry to get from Skye to the mainland.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 October, 2022, 03:42:16 pm
And there's the option of the Kylerhea ferry to get from Skye to the mainland.

Good point, Mam Ratagan is way more insteresting than the Col d' Skeh Bridge
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: IanDG on 19 October, 2022, 05:48:01 pm
Have you been to the Hebrides before? 
IMO the spinal Hebridean Way misses some of the best riding there.  It's hard to come up with circular routes, but it's all stunning enough to ride out and back.  Harris is also worth a full circle, the contrast between West and East coasts is stark, I did a little reading on the clearances before going, the scenery put it into context.
My advice would be to cover a smaller area and explore it more thoroughly. There's probably 400+ miles of touring just in the Hebrides.
Whatever you do will be good, I just have some regrets about missing parts of an area toured which I can't now visit unless I retrace a lot of the original tour.

It becomes monotonous after a while   ::-)

Seriously though (as Paul says) - the "Golden Road" and "dead-end" out and back roads on Lewis and Harris are worth exploring if you have the time. Ticking off the Hebridean Way will give you a feel for the islands and maybe entice you back for a longer tour.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 14 March, 2023, 06:23:44 pm
This tour is now officially ON! Just booked a train for me plus bike from London to Glasgow on the 23rd May  :)

Edit: A bargain at 35 quid!
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Mr Q on 15 March, 2023, 07:46:51 pm
Looks a great adventure. I see you have gone for route 7 through the Cairngorms national park with a wee visit up Cairngorm. I suggest a nicer route down to Perth is head to Tomintoul from Grantown on Spey. Continue south over to Corgarff then Crathie to Braemar. Plenty of fuelling opportunities there. Then continue south through Glenshee to Perth.

My suggested route is hillier but is one of the best routes in Scotland.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: SpaceBadger on 15 March, 2023, 08:01:37 pm
I hope you have a great time. You probably don’t have much of an option, but the road on Skye east of Portree is the worst road I have ever cycled on for frequent, fast close-pass traffic. My recommendation, if not too late, is to get off of it asap and take the road to the ferry rather than the bridge.

It’s a road I will never cycle again. If you go that way, I hope you have a better experience.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 15 March, 2023, 08:26:16 pm
Looks a great adventure. I see you have gone for route 7 through the Cairngorms national park with a wee visit up Cairngorm. I suggest a nicer route down to Perth is head to Tomintoul from Grantown on Spey. Continue south over to Corgarff then Crathie to Braemar. Plenty of fuelling opportunities there. Then continue south through Glenshee to Perth.

My suggested route is hillier but is one of the best routes in Scotland.

I hope you have a great time. You probably don’t have much of an option, but the road on Skye east of Portree is the worst road I have ever cycled on for frequent, fast close-pass traffic. My recommendation, if not too late, is to get off of it asap and take the road to the ferry rather than the bridge.

It’s a road a will never cycle again. If you go that way, I hope you have a better experience.

Cheers!

The route I unitially posted is just a very rough outline of where I want to go. I am starting to plan in more detail now - taking in the advice from everybody here!
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Wowbagger on 15 March, 2023, 08:38:18 pm
I'm assuming that Spacebadger means the A87 south of Portree to the bridge via Broadford.

Our experience is probably not that relevant as when we went, there were massive road works along there and a convoy system in operation. It seemed that when the road was originally built it was probably done on the cheap and where it crossed what I assume to be a peat bog, it sunk. We were also there in early April (apart from the first day, we had fantastic weather, astonishingly warm and sunny) so maybe there wasn't so much traffic about as there is likely to be in the summer.

I would recommend this coast road (https://goo.gl/maps/UNGRE3T51FogGnjH6) though as an alternative to the A87. It was virtually empty and utterly beautiful. A few extra miles, but worth every pedal stroke.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bhoot on 15 March, 2023, 10:19:50 pm
We cycled from Uig to Armadale about 4 years ago, breaking the trip at Broadford overnight. My recollection is that Uig to Portree was fine on the main road. But after that it was not a fun experience, not helped by increasing rain and wind, but the traffic would have been grim in any weather.
Wow's suggestion is seconded, we took that road as an escape from the main road and it was beautiful, but the tarmac seemed to be vanishing! It would make a great cycle only through route with a little maintenance.

Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: FifeingEejit on 16 March, 2023, 01:03:31 am
Check the coast roads status I believe there is or has been a big chunk of part of it missing.

Ive ridden the a87 from Kyle to Broadford before in summer and found it to be fine.
It was early evening, Phishing doon and most of the traffic was going the other way.

Broadford to Portree wasn't too bad the next day except I was crawling due to a stiff head wind, and I was riding  with the tourist traffic. Maybe it got worse later, I went via the quaraing to Ùig for the ferry

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Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: SpaceBadger on 16 March, 2023, 04:55:49 am
I'm assuming that Spacebadger means the A87 south of Portree to the bridge via Broadford.

Our experience is probably not that relevant as when we went, there were massive road works along there and a convoy system in operation. It seemed that when the road was originally built it was probably done on the cheap and where it crossed what I assume to be a peat bog, it sunk. We were also there in early April (apart from the first day, we had fantastic weather, astonishingly warm and sunny) so maybe there wasn't so much traffic about as there is likely to be in the summer.

I would recommend this coast road (https://goo.gl/maps/UNGRE3T51FogGnjH6) though as an alternative to the A87. It was virtually empty and utterly beautiful. A few extra miles, but worth every pedal stroke.

Thanks Wow. I didn't know that was there and certainly one I'd check out if travelling that way again.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: woollypigs on 16 March, 2023, 09:15:35 am
That's the bit of Skye I warned about up thread, beautiful but don't take your eyes of the road.
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 19 April, 2023, 12:43:42 pm
Typical. A month out and CalMac ferries go into meltdown  ::-)
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 09 May, 2023, 05:54:33 pm
Due to CalMac's knackered ferries, I'm having to shuffle things around a bit. The Oban - Castlebay route isn't running on the day I want, so I'll have to use the Oban - Lochboisdale route instead.

Although it's listed as sailing on the day I want, it won't let me book a ticket. The timetable is completely changed for that week only, so.... I might have to go old skool and phone them up. To save me making a complete tit of myself, can someone give me the proper pronunciation of "Lochboisdale"?

I'm hoping it's simply Lock Boys Dale, but I've no idea if it's one of those places that's pronounced nothing like its spelling would suggest!

Ta
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: Jaded on 09 May, 2023, 06:06:01 pm
The 'ch' is soft, if that helps...
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: bobb on 09 May, 2023, 06:14:45 pm
The 'ch' is soft, if that helps...

Oh, I know that! But I think English people pronouncing Loch the proper Scottish way just end up sounding like pretentious pricks, so I stick to Lock (maybe softening the ck slightly)

Edit: *Practises saying "Loch"* Actually, it doesn't sound too bad. So now I just add Boys Dale....  :)
Title: Re: Critique my Scottish Tour Route
Post by: hbunnet on 09 May, 2023, 07:06:51 pm
The 'ch' is soft, if that helps...

Yes, like Johann Sebastian BaCH