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General Category => Freewheeling => Topic started by: Ham on 31 January, 2023, 01:38:10 pm

Title: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Ham on 31 January, 2023, 01:38:10 pm
A petition

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623592

Found in this Road.cc story https://road.cc/content/news/man-pleads-guilty-dangerous-driving-after-kids-killed-298971

Anyone reading that might arrive at the paragraph explaining who he was represented by and think WHO ?  ? ? before having to read it a second time. You might read it first time more carefully than I did, though  ;D
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: numbnuts on 31 January, 2023, 03:43:15 pm
Signed, but as we all know you can't stop a banned driver driving again
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Ham on 31 January, 2023, 05:09:02 pm
Agreed, you can't stop them, but you can stop condoning it. "Poor thing, you may have killed someone to deth but taking away your god given right to drive would be just SO extreme".  Changing that world view is a worthwhile first step.
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Polar Bear on 31 January, 2023, 05:51:06 pm
Signed.
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: matthew on 31 January, 2023, 06:07:23 pm
Signed, It is a great concept that I expect the motoring lobby to prevent from being implemented. But I agree driving is a privilege and some people have demonstrated that they can't be trusted with it. At the very least you make the driving an consecutive to the prison sentence rather than concurrent.

I do have to wonder why we need a 'causing death by dangerous driving' charge, if that was rephrased as 'causing death by grossly negligent driving' which I believe* is the threshold for Dangerous Driving then surely it would be manslaughter through gross negligence.


* Please correct me if I am wrong on either the threshold for dangerous driving or the
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 31 January, 2023, 06:24:07 pm
signed and shared
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: DaveReading on 31 January, 2023, 07:07:17 pm
Only 10,000-odd signatures after nearly 10 months isn't likely to result in any changes in the law.
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Flite on 31 January, 2023, 08:25:38 pm
Signed and shared.
Won't change whilst most jurors, legal professionals and politicians are drivers not cyclists.
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Ham on 31 January, 2023, 09:08:08 pm
Only 10,000-odd signatures after nearly 10 months isn't likely to result in any changes in the law.

Slightly over 3 months, if it gets media exposure it could hit 100,000 sufficient to ensure it gets debated before being kicked into touch
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 February, 2023, 10:44:48 am
11,282.
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Touche on 01 February, 2023, 11:03:18 am
Signed and 11297
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Polar Bear on 01 February, 2023, 11:52:19 am
Greater awareness starts the ball rolling.  I am hoping to see a bit of an uplift over the coming days and weeks as momentum gathers.
Title: Re: Ban Death by Dangerous Driving people from ever driving again
Post by: Ham on 01 February, 2023, 11:55:15 am
Yes, the map is interesting, it shows very broad uptake but with very little traction in the urban centres as yet (outside of a small pocket in the NW) opening the possibility of significant increase.