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Title: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 20 May, 2023, 01:32:25 pm
Grudgingly accepting that the world now uses smartphones and that it's sort of required to function.
I am looking at either a Fairphone 4, reconditioned Fairphone 3 or getting a second hand job.
I like the ethic/repairability of the fairphone, but I last pent £20 on a phone over 7 year ago, so am really struggling with pending £250-500.
What sort of pec are needed?  Recently had issues using IDnow for international legal things because the camera on my ipad was not up to spec so would like something that would not be outdated for 5-10 years (big ask).  I do not plan to shoot a big budget movie on it, play games, or the like though.
Fair 4 specs
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Reconditioned Fair 3 specs
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There are 250 good reason to go with a reconditioned 3, but if buying once at a higher price will last longer they are actually bad reasons.

What advice would you give me?
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: T42 on 20 May, 2023, 02:51:02 pm
I'd go rather for a new phone paid over a couple of years. Support, mainly security updates, will continue longer, ditto app compatibility.

My Motorola G8 cost me 8€/month over 2 years.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 24 May, 2023, 08:50:48 pm
So, save £250 second hand or buy new?
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 24 May, 2023, 09:00:10 pm
I'm no expert but I've read that fair phone doesn't really do what it says on the tin in that they've not always supported the operating systems

Do you need a contract to go with phone? If not I'd ask around as some people are compulsive/habitual upgrades and I've been given loads of phones over the years. I'm currently in the cheapest tesco Samsung. Galaxy 13 I think which is 3 years old. Does everything I need and having paid off on contract which I think was about 13 quid  a month I'm now paying about 6 quid a month for my phone contract
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 24 May, 2023, 09:34:17 pm

I have a fairphone 3+

The main reason I got it over the 4 was the 3.5mm jack. If you don't care about headphones, then get the 4. If you do care about headphones, then the 3+

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 25 May, 2023, 10:57:18 am
^ Recently went wireless with my headphones so the 4 would work for me on that account.

Yes, I could get a second hand phone which would reduce e-waste, but then I could also support the fairphone to keep it in existence.  I like the idea of saving money, I also like the idea of buying an already somewhat broken fair4 and then fixing it (because that's part of the point of the design).  That said, I'm not sure that I want my first experience of the phone to be possibly breaking it and having a warranty (5 years) vs none would also be an advantage.

Looking at parts online I could buy a phone+screen+battery+cover for ~420 second hand or a new one for ~540.  Now I do really like not spending money (my nokia is ~7 years old and was someone's second hand work phone what I got for free) but having voiced some thoughts in this post I think that sending money fairphone's way is possibly an ethical extravagance that I can justify.
If I don't, the alternative is to find a non-fairphone second hand for significantly less (which is good) which would require me to work out what specs to get (which is bad).
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 28 May, 2023, 12:39:01 pm
For secondhand I can recommend the Moto E3 and G5, from about 2016.

Both have SD card slots, 3.5mm headphone jacks and removable batteries. Not all the Moto models have those features though.

I guess about £20-30.

Re repairability, the E3 wouldn't charge, I bought a replacement USB port board from Ebay and managed to fit it to the phone.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 28 May, 2023, 06:00:23 pm
I've gone with a Fairphone 4 - which is *so* much more than I want to spend on a phone, but if I use it for >5 years will be a legit move.

Had a quick look at the idea of linux phones, /e/os and the like.  I am not sure what the point of a Linux phone is as it won't run many apps, so will basically be a big and expensive nokia brick.  Then I guess a big reason for me getting a smartphone is needing to run banking apps, so possibly linux phone users just go without.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 29 May, 2023, 12:59:23 am
I would have thought online banking can be done on a phone using the bank's normal website via a web browser, eg Firefox. The same as how I do online banking on my laptop.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 08:51:54 am
I would have thought online banking can be done on a phone using the bank's normal website via a web browser, eg Firefox. The same as how I do online banking on my laptop.

Nope. A lot of banks now use the online banking app itself as a second factor for authentication.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 29 May, 2023, 09:13:09 am
That's lucky then, as the bank doesn't have any email address or phone number from me.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 09:16:16 am
That's lucky then, as the bank doesn't have any email address or phone number from me.

That could cause you new problems in the future. Rules are coming in that require a second factor authentication for online payments, which is implemented variously by different banks, but solutions include a texted code, or a pop up request in the banking app on your phone.

I am curious why you feel your bank should only be able to contact you by letter?

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Pickled Onion on 29 May, 2023, 09:29:03 am
I would have thought online banking can be done on a phone using the bank's normal website via a web browser, eg Firefox. The same as how I do online banking on my laptop.

Nope. A lot of banks now use the online banking app itself as a second factor for authentication.

J

They do, but for the traditional banks there are alternatives to cater for the millions of people who don't have a smartphone. Text or voice message for 2FA and usually website for payment verification.

Only the challenger banks require you to run their app. Last time I looked, Revolut's* website consisted only of an advert for its app and statutory information. You couldn't even open an account without the app. For fairly obvious reasons, their target customers don't include the minority without a smartphone, and certainly not the tiny minority who run a linux phone.


* not strictly a bank, but I would guess Starling, Monzo, etc are similar.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Pickled Onion on 29 May, 2023, 09:32:51 am
That's lucky then, as the bank doesn't have any email address or phone number from me.

That could cause you new problems in the future. Rules are coming in that require a second factor authentication for online payments, which is implemented variously by different banks, but solutions include a texted code, or a pop up request in the banking app on your phone.

I am curious why you feel your bank should only be able to contact you by letter?

J

It could be extremely inconvenient if the bank suspects a fraudulent transaction and the only means of contact is a letter, and your card is blocked until you've responded.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 09:43:36 am

It could be extremely inconvenient if the bank suspects a fraudulent transaction and the only means of contact is a letter, and your card is blocked until you've responded.

That's my thinking.

I am wondering what the threatmodel is that would make someone willing to bank with an institution, to trust them with your physical address. To trust them with your money, but to not trust them with your phone number and/or email.

They do, but for the traditional banks there are alternatives to cater for the millions of people who don't have a smartphone. Text or voice message for 2FA and usually website for payment verification.

That's not going to work for Hubner... if they don't have a phone number, they can't text or call with the 2fa code.

The website thing doesn't work if it's on the website already. If you are logged into online banking on your laptop and require a 2nd factor, you logging into the online banking website on another device is not going to be it.

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Only the challenger banks require you to run their app. Last time I looked, Revolut's* website consisted only of an advert for its app and statutory information. You couldn't even open an account without the app. For fairly obvious reasons, their target customers don't include the minority without a smartphone, and certainly not the tiny minority who run a linux phone.

* not strictly a bank, but I would guess Starling, Monzo, etc are similar.

Quite. Tho do note that Android uses the Linux kernel under the hood. So all non iphone smartphones are Linux phones underneath, they just might not have google's cruft on top.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Pickled Onion on 29 May, 2023, 10:07:23 am

That's not going to work for Hubner... if they don't have a phone number, they can't text or call with the 2fa code.

The website thing doesn't work if it's on the website already. If you are logged into online banking on your laptop and require a 2nd factor, you logging into the online banking website on another device is not going to be it.


The website thing is for payment verification, you make a payment on one website, you verify with the bank and as you're on the web you've obviously got web access. Though at that point you are still going to need 2FA on the bank's website, and there are a small number of banks that still use physical 2FA devices. Unless hubner has one of those (or the bank's app) they are likely to be locked out of online banking very shortly.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 29 May, 2023, 10:09:23 am
Yes I do use a card reader for online banking.

I don't like using a phone as 2fa because it could stop working at any time, whether it'a weak signal, no credits, flat battery etc. Having said that, I do and have been "forced" to use it for my Paypal account via text.

I prefer to use a good password which I think is uncrackable.  I also only do security critical stuff like online banking, making payments or anything involving personal information at home on my full disk encrypted laptop. I treat my phones as "public", I don't even do emails on them.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 10:12:04 am

The website thing is for payment verification, you make a payment on one website, you verify with the bank and as you're on the web you've obviously got web access. Though at that point you are still going to need 2FA on the bank's website, and there are a small number of banks that still use physical 2FA devices. Unless hubner has one of those (or the bank's app) they are likely to be locked out of online banking very shortly.

If I make a payment with online banking on my laptop, I have to verify it on the banking app on my phone...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 May, 2023, 10:25:03 am
Authentification isn't required for every purchase though, just as it isn't with contactless cards.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 10:34:27 am
Authentification isn't required for every purchase though, just as it isn't with contactless cards.

I seem to have to authorise most of mine :(

Guess it depends on the bank...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 May, 2023, 10:35:14 am
Perhaps you just make a lot of dodgy purchases?  ;)
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 10:40:01 am
Perhaps you just make a lot of dodgy purchases?  ;)

Oh very plausible. Having to buy bike parts from all over the place these days...

Plus an unhealthy level of purchase on AliExpress. Currently my record is 34 AliExpress packages arriving on a single day...

But the one thing that I get 2fa checked on more than anything else. Is ordering a curry for home delivery...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 May, 2023, 10:50:28 am
Use of Ali Baba group is in itself an ethical consideration. Especially, I suppose, Ali Cloud.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Kim on 29 May, 2023, 11:27:22 am
That's lucky then, as the bank doesn't have any email address or phone number from me.

That could cause you new problems in the future. Rules are coming in that require a second factor authentication for online payments, which is implemented variously by different banks, but solutions include a texted code, or a pop up request in the banking app on your phone.

I am curious why you feel your bank should only be able to contact you by letter?

Barakta had this problem.  As usual, she hadn't given them a phone number, because Stupid Hearing People can't resist the urge to make voice calls to them, and banks are high up the list of people you don't want making unscheduled voice calls about important things.  Which was fine until they needed to do SMS for 2FA.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 29 May, 2023, 12:54:45 pm
A reason for my getting a smartphone is a new credit card that I can only activate using the phone app.  If I didn't want cashback I could bank exclusively with the coop and use web based banking (and I believe they have linux app).
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 29 May, 2023, 01:40:13 pm
Reckon if you want to launch a linux phone alternative you need to find a way to dual boot it.  I think that would help convince people to use their phone in linux mode but with the option to retreat to android and their apps.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 29 May, 2023, 01:44:21 pm

You're reminding me of when my housemate lost his phone. He couldn't buy a new one, as in order to do an online payment he need to do the 2fa with his phone to authorise it...

I ended up buying it, and he paid me back...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 31 May, 2023, 02:31:06 am
That could cause you new problems in the future. Rules are coming in that require a second factor authentication for online payments, which is implemented variously by different banks, but solutions include a texted code, or a pop up request in the banking app on your phone.

Laying in bed at just after 3am, a message popped up on my phone asking me to authorise a credit card payment. That's not right, I'm not making any. It was for a hotel. I declined it. I also checked my statement. There's one suspicious payment. It's not much, but googling the name for the payment suggests I'm not the first to have a fraudulent payment from it. Phoned bank (yay for 24/7 reporting line). Card is now blocked. While they investigate.

2FA works. If it hadn't popped up asking me to authorize the payment, I'd be having to argue with my credit card company after nearly 200 euro has gone from my account.

Now comes the question of how my card got compromised in the first place...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 02 June, 2023, 01:18:13 pm
Okay, I now have a smartphone.  Further questions
Google pay, yes/no?
What mp3 playing app should I get?  The default is YouTube music, which will play one mp3 from files, but not full albums.  I was thinking maybe Apple play as I use iTunes on the computer.
Is there an app for forums?  Currently I can read writing ok on yacf, but threads and sub forums are written super small (also, screen does not cleverly resize, so I only see 80% of what I am writing)
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 June, 2023, 01:23:54 pm
Okay, I now have a smartphone.  Further questions
Google pay, yes/no?

There's a pobi thread for that one...

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What mp3 playing app should I get?  The default is YouTube music, which will play one mp3 from files, but not full albums.  I was thinking maybe Apple play as I use iTunes on the computer.

I use VLC. You can of course use itunes or what ever the apple thing is on android if you want.

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Is there an app for forums?  Currently I can read writing ok on yacf, but threads and sub forums are written super small (also, screen does not cleverly resize, so I only see 80% of what I am writing)

I just use the browser. But I also use dolphin as my browser of choice, cos of hysterical raisins.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Ham on 02 June, 2023, 01:35:54 pm
Okay, I now have a smartphone.  Further questions
Google pay, yes/no?
What mp3 playing app should I get?  The default is YouTube music, which will play one mp3 from files, but not full albums.  I was thinking maybe Apple play as I use iTunes on the computer.
Is there an app for forums?  Currently I can read writing ok on yacf, but threads and sub forums are written super small (also, screen does not cleverly resize, so I only see 80% of what I am writing)

Google Pay is handy, your perception and appetite for risk determines the benefit, given the inherent security and the ability to locate, wipe and block at a stroke I am happy with Google Pay

As QG says, browsers work. Type size can be done by zoom, but also accessibility settings, there is one that leaves a spot on the margin that when you tap doubles the zoom
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: rr on 02 June, 2023, 02:28:15 pm
Musicolet for playing music
Tapatalk for forums
I use Google pay but each to their own

Sent from my motorola edge 20 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 June, 2023, 02:35:15 pm
Musicolet for playing music
Tapatalk for forums

Really? Never would have guessed...

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I use Google pay but each to their own

Sent from my motorola edge 20 using Tapatalk

I detest the fact Tapatalk seems in insist on adding this signature to every post. It's totally unneeded.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 02 June, 2023, 03:05:15 pm

You're reminding me of when my housemate lost his phone. He couldn't buy a new one, as in order to do an online payment he need to do the 2fa with his phone to authorise it...

I ended up buying it, and he paid me back...

J
I was in exactly that situation last year, when I lost my phone.

There was a way around it; ID verification by other details. I was reduced to gibbering frustration, as Every Single Phone Call with the mobile company went through the same routine of explaining I'd lost my phone, them saying they'd text me, me saying I'd lost my phone, etc etc.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: rr on 02 June, 2023, 03:17:52 pm
Musicolet for playing music
Tapatalk for forums

Really? Never would have guessed...

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I use Google pay but each to their own

Sent from my motorola edge 20 using Tapatalk

I detest the fact Tapatalk seems in insist on adding this signature to every post. It's totally unneeded.

J
I find it mildly annoying, but your post has prompted me to have a dig around in the settings, and I hope I have turned it off now
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: rr on 02 June, 2023, 03:20:32 pm
Success

It is in settings in main Tapatalk home page where you can set signatures on a per-forum basis
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 02 June, 2023, 04:38:05 pm
Is tapatalk free?  I have no intention of paying for apps (so am removing Apple Music as it wants me to pay to play my music files).
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 02 June, 2023, 04:54:55 pm
Also, what is Google pay? Does it wrap my car's (like PayPal) meaning that I could use amex in more shops, or does it just mean that I don't have to use cards like some sort of wild animal?
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 June, 2023, 05:30:46 pm
Also, what is Google pay? Does it wrap my car's (like PayPal) meaning that I could use amex in more shops, or does it just mean that I don't have to use cards like some sort of wild animal?

My understanding is that it allows you to instead of just tapping your card, you can take your phone out your pocket, fuck about with it, and then find the right function, open it, scroll through all the cards, and then eventually select on, hold phone next to scanner, and then pay.

All the the exasperation of those behind you in the queue.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Feanor on 02 June, 2023, 06:32:51 pm
I don't need to do any of that faff.

Just make sure the phone is unlocked, that's all.
Don't need to open any specific app or anything.
Just wave unlocked phone at card reader and it's done.

Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 02 June, 2023, 07:01:13 pm
VLC for the win!  most importantly it lets me scroll by genre - though not sure that i can then sub-divide by band, so only 6/10 (but previous players were 0 and 1/10 so significantly better).
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 June, 2023, 07:07:12 pm
I don't need to do any of that faff.

Just make sure the phone is unlocked, that's all.
Don't need to open any specific app or anything.
Just wave unlocked phone at card reader and it's done.

That assumes you only have one card in the device.

And if that's the case. Why the fuck do I get stuck behind people who seem utterly confused by the fact they have to pay, shocked that it is happening, and utterly unable to use the technology they have actively chosen to use. Rather than take a card out their wallet and tap the machine. Hell if you set your wallet right you don't even need to do that... Just tap part of the wallet.

The worst one is when someone is trying to use a ticket barrier and has to check out using the apple pay or Google pay. They arrive ag the gate bewildered that it's happening. Then have to fuck about hunting for the right setting. And then hold the phone in the right place. Meanwhile tapping an oyster card or ov chipkaart ( depending on location) is just a second at most. Tap. And through. Tap the whole fucking wallet in one go. Done. Roll on the next passenger.

J

Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 02 June, 2023, 07:30:03 pm
Music players on my phone:
Auxio, playlists, shuffle etc
SicMu Player, only plays using directories/folders.
Music Player, previous version seems to be better.
Vanilla Music, I don't use this much

All from F-Droid which has more players.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Ham on 02 June, 2023, 08:27:31 pm
I don't need to do any of that faff.

Just make sure the phone is unlocked, that's all.
Don't need to open any specific app or anything.
Just wave unlocked phone at card reader and it's done.

That assumes you only have one card in the device.

And if that's the case. Why the fuck do I get stuck behind people who seem utterly confused by the fact they have to pay, shocked that it is happening, and utterly unable to use the technology they have actively chosen to use. Rather than take a card out their wallet and tap the machine. Hell if you set your wallet right you don't even need to do that... Just tap part of the wallet.

The worst one is when someone is trying to use a ticket barrier and has to check out using the apple pay or Google pay. They arrive ag the gate bewildered that it's happening. Then have to fuck about hunting for the right setting. And then hold the phone in the right place. Meanwhile tapping an oyster card or ov chipkaart ( depending on location) is just a second at most. Tap. And through. Tap the whole fucking wallet in one go. Done. Roll on the next passenger.

J

No, you can have as many as you like, with a default. If you want to use another, you don't have to unlock the phone: wake up the lock screen, the google pay logo appears on the bottom right, tap and you can scroll through the cards you have as methods of payment. As to why, etc, I have it on good authority that there is no cure for stupid.

You can also store anything digital, eg boarding passes, etickets, loyalty cards etc etc
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 02 June, 2023, 08:33:36 pm
Desmos is an app!
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 June, 2023, 09:17:48 pm

No, you can have as many as you like, with a default. If you want to use another, you don't have to unlock the phone: wake up the lock screen, the google pay logo appears on the bottom right, tap and you can scroll through the cards you have as methods of payment. As to why, etc, I have it on good authority that there is no cure for stupid.

You can also store anything digital, eg boarding passes, etickets, loyalty cards etc etc

Wait. So it doesn't even ask for you to put in your code to unlock the device first ? That's even worse.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: ian on 02 June, 2023, 09:41:31 pm
For TfL, you do nada, just wave your phone or watch over the gate thing and pass on through.

For payment (via Apple Pay, sure Google is the same), double click the button, late FaceID do it's magic and et voilà. For the watch, double-click the button and that's that, it's already on your wrist. Worst case now, I carry a back-up card and a £10 for prehistoric taxi man outside the station.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Ham on 02 June, 2023, 09:42:02 pm

No, you can have as many as you like, with a default. If you want to use another, you don't have to unlock the phone: wake up the lock screen, the google pay logo appears on the bottom right, tap and you can scroll through the cards you have as methods of payment. As to why, etc, I have it on good authority that there is no cure for stupid.

You can also store anything digital, eg boarding passes, etickets, loyalty cards etc etc

Wait. So it doesn't even ask for you to put in your code to unlock the device first ? That's even worse.

J

Not to change contactless card, but that doesn't unlock it for use (I'm not sure unlock is needed for all transactions) and of course you can limit what is shown. "Show All" needs unlock.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Pickled Onion on 02 June, 2023, 09:51:27 pm
A reason for my getting a smartphone is a new credit card that I can only activate using the phone app.  If I didn't want cashback I could bank exclusively with the coop and use web based banking (and I believe they have linux app).

Wow, how much cashback are you getting that it's worth buying a phone for?
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 02 June, 2023, 10:22:27 pm
I certainly wouldn't want a credit card or anything else that can only be activated using a phone app. Nor anything that depends on a phone app to work.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 02 June, 2023, 10:38:22 pm
I certainly wouldn't want a credit card or anything else that can only be activated using a phone app. Nor anything that depends on a phone app to work.

Gotta say i used to find the 2fa thing on online payments a pain. But having been saved from having a 174€ fraudulent payment this week, I'm kinda liking it. I just hope I'm not tripped up by it when trying to check into a hotel with no phone signal...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Feanor on 03 June, 2023, 09:06:04 am
I don't need to do any of that faff.

Just make sure the phone is unlocked, that's all.
Don't need to open any specific app or anything.
Just wave unlocked phone at card reader and it's done.
That assumes you only have one card in the device.

Certainly not true here.
My Google Wallet has 3 cards in it, a debit and two credit.

If I go into the Google Wallet app, I can swipe between them, and the final swipe gives a screen where you can change the card order.
The first card is used by default, with no necessity to open the Google app or anything.
Just unlocked phone, tap-and-go.

I don't get any kind of lock-screen card-chooser like Ham describes, but then again I've never seen two Android installs which are the same!
So if I wanted to select a different card per-transaction, then yes I'd need to open the app.
But I never do.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Lightning Phil on 03 June, 2023, 09:17:42 am
I have a credit card that I can freeze and unfreeze via an app, to prevent its use when I’m not using it.  I can also create virtual digital credit cards for Apple Pay or direct for (online only if direct) purchases. Similarly I can freeze and unfreeze the virtual card. A feature I quite like.  But I didn’t buy a phone just for the card.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 03 June, 2023, 11:11:51 am
A reason for my getting a smartphone is a new credit card that I can only activate using the phone app.  If I didn't want cashback I could bank exclusively with the coop and use web based banking (and I believe they have linux app).

Wow, how much cashback are you getting that it's worth buying a phone for?
;D
If all my outgoings are on one card we're talking 2-4k a year, so 0.5% would pay back my phone over 10 years, 5 years with a higher cashback obvs (eg amex).
But, no, I didn't get the phone for the online banking app, it's just one of the many examples of things you need a smartphone for these days.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 03 June, 2023, 02:53:27 pm
I also use dolphin as my browser of choice, cos of hysterical raisins.
does not appear in google play store.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Paul H on 03 June, 2023, 03:21:13 pm
But having been saved from having a 174€ fraudulent payment this week, J
Not your money though, unless you'd been negligent, grossly negligent in the words of the FSA who also say it should be credited back to your balance the next working day. That's why I use a credit card and don't have the paranoia about using it on Google Pay, along with a pre-paid debit card.  What would be foolish IMO is to have all your cards on there, just as it would to have them all in a wallet.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 03 June, 2023, 07:15:16 pm
Tapatalk, much more readable but also muuuch slower (but the why?).
This is a test to see whether it puts in the obnoxious (posted in Tapatalk)


Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 03 June, 2023, 08:42:20 pm

Not your money though, unless you'd been negligent, grossly negligent in the words of the FSA who also say it should be credited back to your balance the next working day. That's why I use a credit card and don't have the paranoia about using it on Google Pay, along with a pre-paid debit card.  What would be foolish IMO is to have all your cards on there, just as it would to have them all in a wallet.

But my time, to have a conversation in a second language with someone in a call centre to get it reversed. As it is I spent 20 mins on the phone in the middle of the night, and a second 15 mins later that morning.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 04 June, 2023, 03:27:39 pm
noob question:
My phone has an micro sd card on which I have stored my music.  I have connected with a usb to the computer to drop in some new music, but the PC see the phone, but no folders in the phone and no sd card.
How can I get the PC to see the SD card, or how can I otherwise move files to the phone sd card?  I could move to google drive and then move off the drive - but how do I set the destination?
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 04 June, 2023, 03:39:23 pm
noob question:
My phone has an micro sd card on which I have stored my music.  I have connected with a usb to the computer to drop in some new music, but the PC see the phone, but no folders in the phone and no sd card.
How can I get the PC to see the SD card, or how can I otherwise move files to the phone sd card?  I could move to google drive and then move off the drive - but how do I set the destination?

I honestly don't know. I get files on and off using SCP, or foldersync. You can always put the SD card in a usb reader and plug that into the laptop...

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 04 June, 2023, 03:41:43 pm
Plugging in the SD card is the "simplest" method, unfortunately to get some sort of waterproof certificate the SD card plugs in to the phone from within, so I would need to remove the back panel, remove battery, remove sd, etc ...
Which I would rather not have to do every time I get new music.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: quixoticgeek on 04 June, 2023, 03:42:36 pm
Plugging in the SD card is the "simplest" method, unfortunately to get some sort of waterproof certificate the SD card plugs in to the phone from within, so I would need to remove the back panel, remove battery, remove sd, etc ...
Which I would rather not have to do every time I get new music.

Ah yes. There is that minor issue. Don't know what to suggest then.

J
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 04 June, 2023, 03:46:10 pm
I don't see why foldersync wouldn't work
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: hubner on 04 June, 2023, 03:48:51 pm
noob question:
My phone has an micro sd card on which I have stored my music.  I have connected with a usb to the computer to drop in some new music, but the PC see the phone, but no folders in the phone and no sd card.
How can I get the PC to see the SD card, or how can I otherwise move files to the phone sd card?  I could move to google drive and then move off the drive - but how do I set the destination?

On my phone, after plugging in the cable, I have to go to the phone home screen, flick down the usb charging drop down  menu and then choose further options then choose file transfer.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 04 June, 2023, 03:54:54 pm
^that did the trick.  Thanks
https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9425348234513
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Morat on 05 June, 2023, 11:07:24 am
If the payment was under £45 then it's likely that you don't need to unlock. In the UK, the phone is (by default, but optionally) treated like a contactless card. The limit varies by bank, but smaller transactions can be made with the phone still locked. This is how you get through Tube gates etc with just a wave of the phone. On the flip side, I'm not aware of an upper limit for a phone transaction where the phone has been unlocked. To my mind, a fingerprint scanner is far more secure than a four digit PIN so I'm happy with the arrangement.

https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/12059519?hl=en-GB&ref_topic=11924198&sjid=11604312398692828545-EU
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Paul H on 05 June, 2023, 11:55:46 am
That was so quick and easy but potentially dangerous considering how easy it is to unknowingly press the button on the side of the mobile.
Potentially, though the range is only about 20cm and there's ways to minimise that potential.  My phone unlocks with a fingerprint or four digit code and the NFC is off by default.  I unlock the phone, open the wallet, turn on NFC from there.  Takes a couple of seconds and people waiting till they're at the front of any queue before having their payment method ready are likely to be so however they're paying.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: tom_e on 05 June, 2023, 01:08:42 pm
I've got an Android 13 (Nokia, so close to stock android), and there is a setting under Display -> Lock Screen for "Show wallet", which will "Allow access to wallet from lock screen".  I turned it off, coz I didn't like the idea you could check what cards were available without even unlocking the phone.

It didn't occur to me that you might actually be able to pay (even for lower values) with the phone locked, if that setting is on.  That seems immensely stupid.  I'm not sure I want to make a pillock of myself by experimenting in a shop to confirm this either.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 17 June, 2023, 03:29:55 pm
So, as I am concentrating all my n00b questions here:
My phone ha lost my network for making/receiving calls.  It can access the internet.  I has tried turning data on/off, switching to/from4/5G and briefly it worked but then it topped again.  My wife is with same provider and her phone works.
??
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Lightning Phil on 17 June, 2023, 05:07:12 pm
Check the SIM card and reseat it. That sometimes used to happen with one of my old phones.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: JellyLegs on 17 June, 2023, 07:25:34 pm
So, as I am concentrating all my n00b questions here:
My phone ha lost my network for making/receiving calls.  It can access the internet.  I has tried turning data on/off, switching to/from4/5G and briefly it worked but then it topped again.  My wife is with same provider and her phone works.
??

[I haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been covered]. What network are you on and are you sure the phone uses 4g/5g for calls?

Vodafone have just begun switching off their 3G network and my old phone used 3G for calls and 4g for data so stopped working for calls last week.   Well, it would try to use 2g for calls but no 2g signal here so effectively no calls.  I have had to replace the 5 year old cheap but all I needed Chinese phone with a more up to date model that uses 4g for calls.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fd3 on 18 June, 2023, 01:34:35 pm
So, I get a signal in the garden and - well anywhere not in the house.  My wife is with same provider and does not have this issue.  I did not have this issue with the Nokia I had previously.

So, my phone works fine a long a I am not at home!

Should I not be able to set it up to do internet calls if it can access internet but not the phone network?
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: Lightning Phil on 18 June, 2023, 01:45:02 pm
Yes most offer this. My Iphone shows Wi-Fi call when this is the case.
Title: Re: First smartphone - fairphone
Post by: fruitcake on 18 June, 2023, 02:12:53 pm
I've found huge variation between smartphones for 3G radio reception. Doesn't seem to correlate with phone brand. It's just some models are poor in areas with less-than-perfect signal. Incidentally this was also the case with vintage Nokia phones. Some models excellent reception, some poor.

It may be worth changing phone network to one that has a more usable signal. Signal strength can vary between phone networks even in an urban area. For instance, in my street O2 is best for voice calls on a 3G handset, but EE is the only network that can offer a sufficient 4G data signal. Vodafone is not good enough for either. O2 4G data in particular varies at different times of the day. I guess when my neighbours are streaming TV programmes (or whatever they do with their phones in the early evening), they occupy the available bandwidth for the local area. (Your experience of the different networks may vary, and it almost certainly will, based on your geographical location.)

If you don't want to change handset or network, it's possible to buy a signal booster. This would be a box with an antenna that you screw to the wall somewhere high up, to amplify phone signal for your house.