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IME - under no circumstances install a macerator - unreliable and not good for "positive clearance"At least it's not as bad as installing one in a basement, where it needs to pump upwards and you can imagine what happens when it inevitably needs unblocking.
Anyone think of a better or out the box solution. I've had a look and no-one has toilets at front of house. Many people have converted one of the back bedrooms to a bathroom and all have stack pipes.
IME - under no circumstances install a macerator - unreliable and not good for "positive clearance"
IME - under no circumstances install a macerator - unreliable and not good for "positive clearance"
We had such an arrangement at one place I used to work.IME - under no circumstances install a macerator - unreliable and not good for "positive clearance"At least it's not as bad as installing one in a basement, where it needs to pump upwards and you can imagine what happens when it inevitably needs unblocking.
Rogerzilla as far as I can see only rainwater drains to front/Road the sewers seem to run along back. Not sure where to
Rogerzilla as far as I can see only rainwater drains to front/Road the sewers seem to run along back. Not sure where to
Rainwater ends up in the same sewers, the gully is the U-bend to stop stinkyness.
in some cases, rainwater will go to a soakaway, but rarely if ever in a normal build situation. Look for manhole covers to give you an idea of the run (including in the street, remember street drains end up there, too), lift your manholes up to investigate and it may become clearer. Mostly (!!) sewers run down the middle of the road, about 3m down.
FTFY
Here's a tip: do not, under ANY circumstance dispose of sanitary products into a toilet
The joists run front to back not across so that's a good thing.
If you install a Devil’s machine for tenants, make it clear that they should not tip mop buckets into the loo. Especially ones with paper clips in.
Rainwater never goes into sewers for new builds these days (and hasn't for years), but often does in older houses. All the shit in rivers is due torainwater going into the sewera failure to invest in the infrastucture for some unknown reason.
If you install a Devil’s machine for tenants, make it clear that they should not tip mop buckets into the loo. Especially ones with paper clips in.
OTOH it might be advisable to keep a mop bucket in the loo, where it's handy.
It is six of one and half a dozen of the other. Heavy rain wouldn't cause sewage overflows if it didn't go into the system, but that's a mistake made by planners, regulators, and builders of the distant past. You could argue that the system should by now be sized to cope with such things, since the problem is baked-in and well-known.Rainwater never goes into sewers for new builds these days (and hasn't for years), but often does in older houses. All the shit in rivers is due torainwater going into the sewera failure to invest in the infrastucture for some unknown reason.
It is six of one and half a dozen of the other. Heavy rain wouldn't cause sewage overflows if it didn't go into the system, but that's a mistake made by planners, regulators, and builders of the distant past. You could argue that the system should by now be sized to cope with such things, since the problem is baked-in and well-known.Rainwater never goes into sewers for new builds these days (and hasn't for years), but often does in older houses. All the shit in rivers is due torainwater going into the sewera failure to invest in the infrastucture for some unknown reason.
Some sewage overflows aren't due to rainfall - there is a fairly persistent one in north Swindon that requires an army of tankers every few weeks. That is due to bad sewerdesign/construction, I think, or a failure to upgrade the system to accimmodate tens of thousands of new houses.
A Royal Commission of 1882 concluded that it was necessary to create a cleaner river by separating the sludge part from the liquid sewage and remove it via boat for disposal at sea. In 1887 the first ship of a long line of 'pump and dump' effluent tanker vessels was launched. These ships, later nicknamed by those who crewed them as Bovril boats to describe their brown liquid cargo, were very well maintained, as hygienic as possible, and specially designed for marine disposal. Complex hydrostatic calculations had to be made when carrying liquid cargo but crews received reasonably good pay and regular work. The last of the fleet were: Bexley, Hounslow, and Newham, all named after London Boroughs.
European Union legislation[edit]
In the 1990s, European Union legislation forbidding the dumping of raw sewage at sea, and increasing environmental concerns that sewage was contaminating beaches, led to the phasing out of the fleet and many were scrapped or sold on to private companies. Newer technology [6] finally allowed the sludge to be incinerated in a self-powering incinerator and sold on as fertilizer pellets for use on food crops.
Where does 'army of tankers' take it? Is it incinerated?
IME - under no circumstances install a macerator - unreliable and not good for "positive clearance"
I'd be inclined to agree. Don't ask me how I know this.
But....if it's the absolute and only option, they do work, but they have to be respected!
From my experience of houses I've worked in, the crucial thing about macerators in what they're asked to deal with.
Here's a tip: do not, under ANY circumstance dispose of sanitary products into a toilet that has a macerator attached too it.
IME - under no circumstances install a macerator - unreliable and not good for "positive clearance"
I'd be inclined to agree. Don't ask me how I know this.
But....if it's the absolute and only option, they do work, but they have to be respected!
From my experience of houses I've worked in, the crucial thing about macerators in what they're asked to deal with.
Here's a tip: do not, under ANY circumstance dispose of sanitary products into a toilet that has a macerator attached too it.
On two occasions my daughter, or her friends, have disposed of something of this ilk and jammed our macerator. On the last occasion, the toilet cistern float valve was also letting by slowly, resulting in an overflow of the jammed macerator and shitty water coming through the ceiling.
That said, the macerator does usually work, and pumps satisfactorily the blended ordure along a 22mm pipe under the floor to the other side of the house, and thence into a soil stack. Note: whilst your floor joists may run in the right direction, there could be noggins between them that would prevent easy installation of a 22mm pipe. Worth lifting a floor board to investigate.
Also, if you're installing a new soil stack, is there any issue with the top vent location - i.e. do you have loft level velux windows?
22mm pipe is brave - the thing I had went into 32mm plastic waste pipe and that wasn't brilliant at clearing/flowing even with good falls.
22mm pipe is brave - the thing I had went into 32mm plastic waste pipe and that wasn't brilliant at clearing/flowing even with good falls.
I guess there's a design balance to be struck between big diameter pipes and the higher velocity achieved in a smaller pipe with a bit of pressure behind it.
I’m damned certain that I were lumbered with a macerate style bog, I would introduce a law banning solids in it.I thought damning was the result of the solids?
Electric compostable toilet? They make them for indoors.
If you are not going to move, the next expensive step is convert the back room to an upstairs bathroom and then adapt the loft for living space (possibly with en suite). A snip at 50k.
If you are considering that level of investment, what about extending above the outhouses?
Re-looking at the thread title.
A guzunder?