Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => Topic started by: quixoticgeek on 30 September, 2023, 12:57:40 pm
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Is it possible to build a bike up, where all the components have been made in Europe (for which I am including UK, Norway, etc...)
Obviously the iron ore, for the steel, or the latex for the tyre rubber is probably sourced outside the EU. But of all of the named manufactured parts. Is it possible?
Ideally without it being super high end. So I know we can get a Rholoff hub, but what about cheaper driver trains?
I think the tubing is doable. Reynoulds still manufacture in Birmingham, and Columbus still make in Milan.
Tyres, Continental still manufacture some of their range in Germany.
But what about the rest? The drive train? rims?
J
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Mavic still has a rim/wheel factory in France:
https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/mavic-factory
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campag groupset might still be made in eu. look pedals.
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Campagnolo only manufacture in Europe- the mothership in Vicenza, and two plants in Romania.
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Campagnolo only manufacture in Europe- the mothership in Vicenza, and two plants in Romania.
They also rebadge some Tektro parts, or at least did. Time trial brakes still have the R725 and other Tektro numbers on the back.
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Hope brakes, hubs, bearings.
If we count accessories: Carradice, Restrap, (loads of others), Exposure, B&M, (loads of others)...
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It might be questionable whether you can build a bike with only UK parts, but I'm sure it's easy to build an European bike.
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Campagnolo only manufacture in Europe- the mothership in Vicenza, and two plants in Romania.
Problem with campag is they only make high end road/gravel/race stuff.
In fact pretty much everything we've mentioned had been high end :(
J
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I guess smaller factories and small batches means higher unit prices, relative to Taiwanese-made items. And so Campag _could_ launch a hybrid / utility bike range, but it may need to be sold for the same price as their road bike range.
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Go singlespeed or fixed, plenty of brands making cogs etc. Though not sure about chains.
Some Gates belt drives are made in Europe (Dumfries).
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Campagnolo only manufacture in Europe- the mothership in Vicenza, and two plants in Romania.
Problem with Campag is they only make high end road/gravel/race stuff.
In fact pretty much everything we've mentioned had been high end :(
J
Manufacturing in Europe, particularly Western Europe, is expensive.
Hence mainly "high end" components being produced here.
Do you have a specification and budget in mind for the bike or is it purely hypothetical ?*
*Not a "criticism", I'm genuinely curious.
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Manufacturing in Europe, particularly Western Europe, is expensive.
Hence mainly "high end" component being produced here.
Do you have a specification and budget in mind for the bike or is it purely hypothetical ?*
*Not a "criticism", I'm genuinely curious.
At this stage purely hypothetical. Came about from a discussion with a friend.
J
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Where are Ryde rims made? And do Mavic still have a manufacturing facility in Romania or has that gone (and, if so, who to?)
There are no shortage of saddles from italian companies but I don't suppose there is a vast range actually manufactured in Europe. There are Berthoud, Idéale and Leppe but the first two are not really mid-range.
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https://itismadeineurope.com/my-european-bike-parts-list/
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Where are Ryde rims made? And do Mavic still have a manufacturing facility in Romania or has that gone (and, if so, who to?)
There are no shortage of saddles from italian companies but I don't suppose there is a vast range actually manufactured in Europe. There are Berthoud, Idéale and Leppe but the first two are not really mid-range.
Do brooks not make theirs in the UK any more ?
J
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https://itismadeineurope.com/my-european-bike-parts-list/
The handlebars are €340. Not exactly cheap!
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Europe can't manufacture high volume stuff that sells on a global market. Even if it's only a bit more expensive to manufacture, that reduces sales, which affects production costs, which makes it more expensive, which reduces sales...
Most successful European manufacturers are high end, not because they're any better at it, but because they can compete at that volume.
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Kross and Romet still make frames in Poland and some of their stuff is definitely budget end.
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Much of the rubber for tyres is synthetic.
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Brooksengland saddles, Italian owned
https://bikebiz.com/selle-royal-buys-brooks/
mostly Made in Birmingham
https://theradavist.com/brooks-england-factory-shop-visit/
https://road.cc/content/feature/story-brooks-england-300907#:~:text=Once%20a%20household%20name%20throughout,and%20riveted%20in%20Smethwick%2C%20Birmingham.
but some rubber saddles Made in Italy
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_eu/c13.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4n8qkwIElY
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UK made pedals
https://www.hopetech.com/products/drivetrain/pedals/
https://www.pinnd.co.uk/
https://pembree.com/d2a-flat-mountain-bike-pedal/
https://www.superstarcomponents.com/index.php/en/shop/mountain/mountain-drivetrain/mountain-pedals/
https://www.cardertech.co.uk/shop/twotwelve-pedals
https://uniteco.bike/shop/components/pedals/mtb-pedal/
https://www.chaterlea.com/
Burgtec??
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/catalyst-pedals-ready-for-eu-distribution-with-new-uk-partners.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnWZFObTBUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlDWM-3CV8g
https://www.biketinker.com/2010/projects/haworth-swing-pedal/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcfbRdH6Pw
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Brompton bikes are mostly European sourced parts and made in UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=max3bL3bTbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGSluKS1-So
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0FBFoNh32g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNE81Fkm0b4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHpt0ohIDCY
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Moulton bikes made in UK
https://www.moultonbicycles.co.uk/heritage.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52en1B53dWE
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Renold chains made in Germany
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20210916-about-bc-news-Renold-chain-technology-used-to-great-effect-by-the-Great-Britain-Cycling-Team-0
https://shop.renold.com/products/velo-ct-rio
SRAM chains made in Portugal
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/connection-an-introduction-to-srams-coimbra-family.html
Wippermann Connex chains made in Germany
https://www.connexchain.com/en/
Campagnolo chains made in Italy
https://www.globalcyclingnetwork.com/video/campagnolo-how-a-campagnolo-chain-is-made
https://cyclingindustry.news/portugal-bike-valley-europe-manufacturing/
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Miranda
https://m.facebook.com/mirandabikeparts
https://mirandabikeparts.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6W-N0hMEP4
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Components
Most Miche parts are made in europe / Italy
https://miche.it/en/
https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/made-in-italy-miche-insider
https://www.modolo.it/
https://www.mountainbikecomponents.co.uk/brand/middleburn/
https://www.mountainbikecomponents.co.uk/biking/bike-components-made-in-britain/
https://rotorbike.com/
https://www.hopetech.com/
https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/products/pedals
https://www.sram.com/en/time-sport
https://stronglight.com/
https://specialites-ta.com/
https://www.workscomponents.co.uk/
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/shopcrank.html
https://bikerumor.com/factory-tour-dt-swiss-shows-us-make-rims-spokes-premium-wheelsets/
http://www.royceuk.co.uk/Royce-Uk.html
https://www.facebook.com/erasecomponents/
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/round-up-16-little-known-continental-european-manufacturers-making-exciting-stuff.html
https://www.fibrax.com/
https://ebcbikes.com/ (possibly not european)
https://goodridge.brakes-hoses-fittings.co.uk/
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/eurobike-2023-exciting-products-from-european-manufacturers-part-3.html
Bike Brands across europe
https://discerningcyclist.com/european-bike-brands/
https://origin-bike.com/
https://en.brujulabike.com/sram-time-pedals-factory-portugal/
https://www.bike-eu.com/production/portugal-bike-value
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/sixpack-launches-composite-pedals-all-made-in-germany.html
https://www.motobicycles.com/en/pages/moto-about
https://www.bike-eu.com/43795/gates-expands-production-for-european-bike-market
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Some Continental tyres are made in Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06QNIjNzqco
https://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/latest-news/167-korbach-factory-behind-the-scenes
Some Michelin and Hutchinson tyres are made in europe
https://cycling.hutchinson.com/about-us/
Mitas / Rubena are made in Czech republic.
https://bikerumor.com/czech-made-rubena-tires-are-back-after-a-7-year-rebranding-exercise-as-mitas-tyres/
https://www.rubena.eu/en/about-us/news/czech-tyre-manufacturer-changes-brand-mitas-rubena-tyres/
https://bikerumor.com/czech-made-rubena-tires-are-back-after-a-7-year-rebranding-exercise-as-mitas-tyres/
Vredestein
https://www.i-ride.co.uk/brands/vredestein/
https://road.cc/content/feature/how-green-are-your-bike-tyres-281121
https://press.pirelli.com/the-pirelli-factory-in-bollate-italy--starts-its-production-of-cycling-tyres/#:~:text=The%20Pirelli%20plant%20in%20Bollate,opened%20by%20Pirelli%20in%201962.
https://www.tufo.com/en/about-us
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/onza-tires-releases-new-made-in-europe-inner-tubes.html
https://road.cc/content/feature/how-tubolito-revolutionised-the-bicycle-inner-tube-299721
https://teknikum.com/reference/the-rubber-quality-of-the-suomi-tyres-bicycle-winter-tires-is-designed-to-withstand-studs-and-riding-on-them/
https://a-dugast.com/
https://suomityres.fi/story-continues/
https://teknikum.com/reference/the-rubber-quality-of-the-suomi-tyres-bicycle-winter-tires-is-designed-to-withstand-studs-and-riding-on-them/
https://greentyre.co.uk/bicycle-tyres.php
https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/b2c/stories/blackchili-technology/
https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/sponsors/continental
https://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/technical/deutsche-technik
https://www.veloflex.it/en/about-us
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that Look stuff is produced in North Africa.
ETA - It is, Tunisia.
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Mudguards and pumps etc
SKS, Zefal, etc
https://www.youtube.com/@ZefalOfficial
https://www.youtube.com/@sks_germany
https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/
https://herrmans.eu/
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Hi J.
Bombtrack the parent company of several bike manufacturing sub units as well as the aforementioned bike are based in Cologne
https://www.bombtrack.com/family
I have a seido fork (bombtrack family) and it was very reasonable, as well as being awesome!
Im not sure to what extent their products are made in situ.
Ingrid components in Italy?
Related to that and on a slight tangent...one of my guilty pleasures is listening to desert Island discs as I get the evening meal ready. Today was Patrick Grant who was trained as an engineer (like yourself?) and gravitated over to fashion. He touches in the episode about how traditional Uk based manufacturers (tailors, weavers etc) have, along with anyone else who was in traditional manufacturing, been hugely undervalued and left by the wayside as corporations search for cheaper and then even cheaper places to have their products made. I think this dovetails into your Q about locally made and value to the consumer. If you have the time I urge you to listen to the podcast. Far from being your typical high wastage, change it every six months fashionista he has some deep and inherently socially responsible ideals that he has been true to.
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Fairlight frames used to be made in Czecho, presumably they still are.
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Look stuff
https://support.lookcycle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011742959-Where-are-LOOK-products-made-
https://roadbikeaction.com/being-there-inside-the-look-factory
https://www.imbikemag.com/mountain-bike-news/2022/08/look-expands-mtb-range-with-two-new-flat-pedals-made-in-france
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Brakes
https://www.rideformula.com/
https://galfer.eu/
https://trickstuff.de/
https://www.intend-bc.com/
https://www.hopetech.com/
https://www.magura.com/en/EUR/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ld92wMsww
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=641358174866560&set=a.400735748928805
Fibrax
https://www.fibrax.org/the-fibrax-group.html
https://cyclingindustry.news/fibrax-why-cheap-components-can-be-among-the-most-important-for-an-oem/
http://www.goodridgeuk.com/mountain-bikes/
https://goodridge.brakes-hoses-fittings.co.uk/
https://ebcbrakes.com/about-ebc-brakes/
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/new-disc-brakes-and-more-from-5-european-brake-manufacturers-eurobike-2023.html
https://swissstop.ch/en/about-swissstop/news/2022/press-release-new-automated-production-facility-in-switzerland/#:~:text=%28Mendrisio%2C%20Switzerland%29%20A%20new%2C%20fully%20automated%20brake%20pad,operation%20at%20the%20SwissStop%20headquarters%20in%20Mendrisio%2C%20Switzerland.
https://www.trelleborg.com/en/seals/your-industry/emobility/bicycles
https://dpseals.com/pressreleases/dp-seals-supplies-hope-20-years/
https://bikerumor.com/spotted-prototype-braking-incas-brakes-shed-grams-boost-power-for-all-mountain-bikes/
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/factory-tour-formula-brakes-2015.html
https://www.brakeforceone.de/
https://www.bike-eu.com/43282/maguras-made-in-germany-mantra-pays-off-as-sales-triple-during-supply-crunch
https://galfer.eu/bike/products/brake-discs/
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https://3tmadeinitaly.bike/
https://ingrid.bike/
Fulcrum ??
https://acros-components.com/en/
https://www.gipiemmewheels.com/ ??
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/round-up-10-little-known-british-manufacturers-making-exciting-stuff.html
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/round-up-10-little-known-european-manufacturers-making-exciting-stuff.html
https://ofmega.com
https://www.hambini.com/
https://carradice.co.uk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7wq9wzZhL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrsxKYl18UU
https://www.uberbikecomponents.com/category/488/Made-In-Sheffield-UK-Range
https://www.raceti.com/
https://novatoride.com/gb/
https://extralite.com/
https://www.ursus.it/
https://frmbike.net/en/
https://ambrosiowheels.com/en/history/
https://usa.cinelli-milano.com/collections/made-in-italy
https://www.garbaruk.com/
https://www.thm.bike/en/
https://www.widek.nl/
https://oakcomponents.de/en
https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/uk-bike-makers-a-community-riding-high/
https://www.mcfk.de/en/
https://beast-components.de/en/
https://reverse-components.com/en ??
https://bike-ahead-composites.de/company/about-us.html
https://www.actofive.com/
https://www.ergonbike.com/en/index.html
https://www.radoxx.de/en/
https://www.bike-x.de/mtb/parts/mtb-parts-made-in-germany/
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-european-bike-project-5-exciting-products-from-small-european-manufacturers-february-2022.html
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Fixed sprockets
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/shopdisc.html
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https://www.gramm-tourpacking.com
Constructed in Germany and Portugal.
The diamond bag/allygn rack combo is so good and tight Ive changed out all our bikes that had other more cumbersome Rando bags for this Bauhaus set up.
All We Ever Wanted Was Everything. and this comes close.
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Campag doesn't have to be high end expensive if you buy second hand.
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Frame tubes
Proprietary tubes
Reynolds
https://www.facebook.com/ReynoldsTechnology/
https://noviceframebuilder.co.uk/personal-articles/visit-to-reynolds-technology/
https://ninelittletubes.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/a-visit-to-reynolds-technology/
https://www.reynoldstechnology.biz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/rtl_steel_alloys_extract.pdf
https://www.reynoldstechnology.biz/materials/steel/steel-520/
Columbus
https://www.columbustubi.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Columbus-2021-Steel-Catalogue-v2-web.pdf
Dedacciai
http://www.dedacciai.com/download/zero-zero1.pdf
Other tubes
Generic / plain gauge
T45
https://aerocommetals.co.uk/featured-inventory/alloy-steel-t45-2/
25crmo4
https://www.tennant-metall.de/en/products/steel-tubes/tubes-25crmo4
https://geschichte.salzgitter-ag.com/en/history-of-the-business-units-and-sites/steel-processing-business-unit/mannesmann-precision-tubes-gmbh.html
https://road.cc/content/feature/renaissance-reynolds-steel-bike-frames-300667
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Saddles
https://www.selleitalia.com/
https://www.schmolke-carbon.com/products/saddles/
https://www.berk-composites.com/
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/saddles.html
https://www.sellesmp.com/en/company/100-made-in-italy.html
https://www.selleroyal.com/en_uk
https://taborsaddles.com/en/tabor
https://sellesanmarco.com/
https://ismseat.com/ ??
https://www.sq-lab.com/en/news-sqlab-saddle-made-in-germany/
https://www.derriereitalia.com/
https://www.fizik.com/uk_en/drops/adaptive.html
https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/
https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/
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Cranks, bottom brackets, chainrings
https://www.bike-eu.com/45716/thun-restarts-crank-production-in-germany
https://thun.de/products/
https://www.thm.bike/en/
https://bikerumor.com/garbaruk-machines-light-strong-pretty-hollow-alloy-gravel-road-bike-crankset/
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-actofives-cnc-machined-signature-cranks-are-a-work-of-german-art.html
https://www.federleicht-bike.com/en/components/kurbel-150mm-sl.html
https://www.mountainbikecomponents.co.uk/brand/middleburn/
https://uniteco.bike/
https://www.workscomponents.co.uk/chainrings-19-c.asp
https://rotorbike.com/
https://mirandabikestore.com/
https://www.pinnd.co.uk
https://www.sturdycycles.co.uk/product/titanium-crankset
https://ingrid.bike/product/crankset-crs-g2/
https://www.hambini.com/
https://www.hopetech.com/
https://bikerumor.com/factory-tour-inside-3t-cycling-how-torno-carbon-cranks-are-handmade-in-italy-more/
https://www.campagnolo.com/gb-en/
https://miche.it/en/
https://ofmega.com
https://specialites-ta.com/
https://stronglight.com/
https://bikerumor.com/cyber-cranks-modern-modular-tubular-steel-crankset-forks-and-stems/
https://www.cybercycles.de/cranks
https://beringer-bicycle.com/?lang=en
https://www.chaterlea.com/
http://royceuk.co.uk/Royce-Uk.html
https://www.hktproducts.co.uk/collections/chainrings
https://dward-design.co.uk/product/titanium-mtb-chainring/
https://www.uberbikecomponents.com/category/491/Narrow-Wide-Chainrings
https://kappstein.de/products/chainrings/?L=1
https://www.fraezen.de/en
https://www.connexchain.com/en/about-connex/made-in-germany
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Hubs , wheels
https://www.campagnolo.com
https://miche.it/en/
http://royceuk.co.uk
https://www.hopetech.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c_VILH0CXc
https://www.mountainbikecomponents.co.uk/biking/betds-bike-hubs-buying-guide/
https://bikerumor.com/rotor-engages-innovative-rvolver-radial-cylindrical-pawl-bike-hubs/
https://wheelsbike.it/en/
https://frmbike.net/en/ ??
https://www.ursus.it/products/road-racing/hubs/
https://damilcomponents.com/en/
https://acse-parts.fr/en/
https://acros-components.com/en/products/road/hubs/
https://www.aivee.fr/en/
https://pmpbike.eu/en/collections/mozzi
https://tune.de/en/parts/
https://www.carbon-ti.com/products/hubs
Mavic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEOyBWSWgH8
DT Swiss
https://bikerumor.com/factory-tour-dt-swiss-shows-us-make-rims-spokes-premium-wheelsets/
https://qvist.cc/
https://bikerumor.com/qvist-hub-get-double-ratchet-engagement/
https://www.facebook.com/SuperstarComponents/
https://mach1.fr/en/pages/a-propos-notre-histoire
https://www.drc.it/?lang=en
https://road.cc/content/feature/how-ghisallo-makes-wooden-bike-wheels-301393
https://www.lilienthal.bike/en-gb
https://rodicycling.com/en/about-us/
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-culture/made-in-italy-a-tour-of-the-gipiemme-factory/
https://mackhubs.com/
https://www.erasecomponents.com/mtbhubs
https://www.bike-eu.com/43239/made-in-germany-nine-speed-hub-launched-at-eurobike
https://www.corima.com/heritage/know-how.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGA41NPcALg
https://www.ryde.nl/homepage/about-ryde/#:~:text=Ryde%20builds%20its%20rims%20where,in%20Malaysia%20and%20in%20China.
https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/wire-in-the-blood-inside-spoke-maker-sapim
https://www.mtb-mag.com/en/diamonz-proudly-made-in-italy-carbon-rims/
https://www.k-o-m.co.uk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6DUSKhbRU