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Title: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Paul on 30 December, 2023, 10:08:14 pm
I have 3x8 set up on one of my bikes. In lowest gear, under load, the chain drops from 1st to second sprocket. It stays in 2nd fine  ::-)
It runs perfectly up on the stand. However, there’s a little bit of play in the rear mech at the pivot. Is it just worn out or is there something I can do about it?
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: robgul on 01 January, 2024, 04:12:10 pm
Two thoughts:

If you have sideways play on the rear derailleur linkages/pivots that might be the problem with it "flexing sideways" under load

Can you tweak the cable adjustment a tiny amount to take the chain just a gnat's further onto the 1st sprocket (and check the limit screw isn't restricting the chain position on the sprocket)
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Paul on 01 January, 2024, 06:19:08 pm
After my last ride I tweaked it as you describe but I haven't tried it in anger since.

In its original set up, when it would stay in 1st gear, the mech would sometimes ping on the spokes, which is probably not a good thing and which is why I adjusted it. If I can't find a sweet spot (and god knows I need that first gear!) I'm wondering whether there might be enough room on the hub to put a small spacer on before the first sprocket, without compromising the lock ring, or causing the chain (when it's on the smallest sprocket) to foul the stays.
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 January, 2024, 06:44:53 pm
Hanger alignment?
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Paul on 01 January, 2024, 08:37:03 pm
Ooh, that’s a good question. I don’t think so, but I’ll investigate. Is there a quick and easy method? Something about screwing something into the hanger and checking for parallel-ness with an axle?
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 January, 2024, 08:43:33 pm
A rear wheel with a Shimano (10x1mm thread) hub is the same thread as a gear hanger.
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: chris on 01 January, 2024, 08:46:03 pm
Is the sprocket flexing? Years ago I had a fancy titanium XTR 8 speed cassette where the larger sprockets were mounted on a spider. Whenever I pedalled hard while in the lowest gear the chain would jump to the next sprocket. I changed the cassette for a cheap and cheerful steel one and the problem went away.
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Paul on 01 January, 2024, 08:58:44 pm
A rear wheel with a Shimano (10x1mm thread) hub is the same thread as a gear hanger.
I think I have a shimano axle - is that what I need?
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Paul on 01 January, 2024, 08:59:55 pm
Is the sprocket flexing? Years ago I had a fancy titanium XTR 8 speed cassette where the larger sprockets were mounted on a spider. Whenever I pedalled hard while in the lowest gear the chain would jump to the next sprocket. I changed the cassette for a cheap and cheerful steel one and the problem went away.

I’ll add this to the list if other efforts don’t succeed.
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 January, 2024, 09:06:49 pm
It is more accurate if you use a complete wheel, rather than just an axle.
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: rogerzilla on 01 January, 2024, 09:14:17 pm
Other things to check:

Is the low gear stop adjusted a bit too tight, so bottom gear isn't fully clicked in at the shifter?
Is the shifter badly worn?
In the unlikely event that you're using a friction shifter, frame flex can tug the cable enough to move the lever*.  This shouldn't happen with indexed gears unless the shifter is really worn out.

You can check hanger alignment with a long steel rule and calipers, but you should remove the BB, wheel, and mech first.  This method also assumes the BB shell is in straight.  You should check for inward/outward bend and twist.  I have an old Cinder Cone MTB frame that had a visibly bent hanger, but after 20 minutes' careful tweaking it shifts impeccably.


*my old Thorn would always change to the middle chainring if I tried to sprint in the big ring
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Tim Hall on 01 January, 2024, 09:15:46 pm
Here's a YouTube link showing how to do the hanger straightening thing with another wheel

https://youtu.be/TnwreRrorIA?si=Pvff-gcV8idyeKiq (https://youtu.be/TnwreRrorIA?si=Pvff-gcV8idyeKiq)
Title: Re: Auto-shifting under load
Post by: Paul on 01 January, 2024, 09:48:04 pm
Here's a YouTube link showing how to do the hanger straightening thing with another wheel

https://youtu.be/TnwreRrorIA?si=Pvff-gcV8idyeKiq (https://youtu.be/TnwreRrorIA?si=Pvff-gcV8idyeKiq)

Brilliant! I get that now.  :thumbsup: