What's the blurred text? "There be a big underpass here; may smell of wee"?
Please forgiveifthisis astupid question. What is the extent of these maps? Do they cover all of UK? Home counties? London+selected?
Second stupid question: Is there a way to view them other than to load them onto the Garmin unit?
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Is there a way to view them other than to load them onto the Garmin unit?
Of course that does beg the question of how to fill in the bits that are missing.
Damnit
That may have just sold me a mapping garmin unit.
Which ones do I need to work with these maps?? (starting at the low price end)
Just went on a mapping stroll. Could this be the fad of the season? I need to get my hometown just right... ;D
Damnit
That may have just sold me a mapping garmin unit.
Which ones do I need to work with these maps?? (starting at the low price end)
any that can use maps.
The Edge series and other newer Garmin types like Oregon have a completely 'new' way of handling the card data generally, which obviously does work -
older card-carrying Garmins don't treat the card as a 'drive' and you can't really navigate around it - AFAIK, you have to upload the maps into the GPS via Mapsource to register them properly. So you'd still need a copy of Mapsource. Enabling this map in Mapsource will at very least need a registry hack won't it? I haven't seen such a thing as yet (maybe haven't looked hard enough).
And the single map file is too big for older non-card-carrying Garmins - their memory limit is 24Mb.
Great project though.
older card-carrying Garmins don't treat the card as a 'drive' and you can't really navigate around it - AFAIK, you have to upload the maps into the GPS via Mapsource to register them properly. So you'd still need a copy of Mapsource.
Unfortunately I don't rate OSM as quite complete enough for Audax purposes (having looked at its routing between, say, home and Lavenham).
How can you tell where the gaps are if you don't have local knowledge? Are there any areas that are blank (I couldn't see any).
The area near me appears at first sight to be complete. However, there are a couple of stretches of road missing but you wouldn't know that this is missing data just by looking at the map (you'd just think they were correctly shown as dead ends where in reality the roads continue and join up).
Is this a case of an area that hasn't been mapped yet or an error in some underlying data? Interestingly the same stretches of road are also missing from some other map sources e.g. Streetmap
How can you tell where the gaps are if you don't have local knowledge?
I see, trouble is you wouldn't know that it's incomplete until you got there (to Kilmarnock for eg).
I was confused by just how complete it is by me, even the track round the back of our houses to the garages is included.
So if you used it for an audax (say), would it be a problem unless you got lost and needed the map to find your way back to the route?
I've don't yet own a GPS (so sorry for the daft questions) and I've been confused about the need for mapping for audaxes (and put off by its additional cost). I presume you can plot your route on bikely for eg and transfer it to the GPS which will (even without an onboard map) point you in the right direction. I've assumed you only need the on onbard map in case you get lost or want to do something else unplanned (e.g. abandon and find a shortcut back to HQ). Is that correct?
So, if you transferred your route from something like bikely to you GPS which used openstreetmap, when you came across a missing road would the GPS continue to point you in the right direction but just not show the road you're on?
I've assumed you only need the on onbard map in case you get lost or want to do something else unplanned...
Given the screen size, I think a GPS would be limited if you were trying to choose a new route. You'd only see a mile or two. I'd rather have a paper map for that, which I do often carry for backup.
GPSs are also good for touring. It can be a pain stopping to check direction at every junction. With a GPS, you don't have to.
I've tested the map on my Garmin GPSmap 76CSx
And Garmin eTrex Vista HCx
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/3148896232_119e3b70cd.jpg)
EDIT2: Found the instructions AND a list of maps for other countries compiled from OSM here (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download). There is also a UK map with contour information - effectively a free version of the topo GB map here (http://www.ukgeocachers.co.uk/garminoverlays/). There is also a free utility called "Sendmap20" that can send the map to the GPS receiver without using mapsource and without removing the uSD card and using a reader. Scroll down to the instructions section of the previous link. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Which ones do I need to work with these maps?? (starting at the low price end)
any that can use maps.
The Edge series and other newer Garmin types like Oregon have a completely 'new' way of handling the card data generally, which obviously does work -
older card-carrying Garmins don't treat the card as a 'drive' and you can't really navigate around it - AFAIK, you have to upload the maps into the GPS via Mapsource to register them properly. So you'd still need a copy of Mapsource. Enabling this map in Mapsource will at very least need a registry hack won't it? I haven't seen such a thing as yet (maybe haven't looked hard enough).
And the single map file is too big for older non-card-carrying Garmins - their memory limit is 24Mb.
Great project though.
Is it possible to download the free maps and send them to mapsource to view on computer only if so how hope it's not to techie
It might be available dodgily on torrent... but my dodgy one doesn't work :/
Is mapsource free - or do you have to buy a map to get it?
Is mapsource free - or do you have to buy a map to get it?The application comes with Garmin GPS units (it's called trip & waypoint viewer). I think you can view and work with maps in that.
Damn. Time to get coding then on a free replacement. Which will work on Linux too.
Damn. Time to get coding then on a free replacement. Which will work on Linux too.
There already is, http://qlandkarte.sourceforge.net/ this link says it is dead, well actually superseded but it works fine until the ( much improved) GT & M versions have binaries available. Also allows upload/download and is a direct Linux replacement for Mapsource.
qlandkarte appears to have an ubuntu package in Hardy already. Another reason to use Windows bites the dust. :thumbsup:
Really chuffed to see so many appreciative comments on OSM - makes it all worthwhile.
Really chuffed to see so many appreciative comments on OSM - makes it all worthwhile.
And thank you very much, it is appreciated. :thumbsup: 8) :thumbsup:
Damnit - I knew that would happen.
I've just gone and ordered an Oregon 300 ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Damnit - I knew that would happen.
I've just gone and ordered an Oregon 300 ;D ;D :thumbsup:
oops, did your mouse slip and accidentally add it to your basket, click 'checkout' and then enter your credit card details? they should really do something about that. ....it happens to me all the time. ;)
I had a play around today and have managed to get the South East of England onto my Garmin Etrex Vista C (old model with 24mb internal memory). Here's what I had to do (there may be short cuts I've missed);
1. Download Sendmap20 and unzip it into a directory, from http://cgpsmapper.com/download/sendmap20.zip
2. Use this site to select the map tiles you need Coordinate-To-OSM-Tile (http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html) - this also gives you a command line for later use.
3. Download (to the same dir as sendmap20) the above .img map tiles from Computerteddy's site - http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/
4. Unzip each of the files to get the .img files
5. Connect your gps via USB, switch it on. Open a DOS window, cd to the sendmap20 dir and run the command line from step 2 but remove the -l parameter so for the 6 tiles for SE Eng that is;
sendmap20 63272362.img 63272361.img 63272542.img 63272541.img 63272722.img 63272721.img
That's it, the maps appeared in my GPS. Those 6 tiles used approx 12mb space (those that didn't include a lot of sea were about 7mb each).
The tiles on Computerteddy's site are refreshed once a month so you'd have to repeat steps 2 to 5 periodically to keep up to date.
Dammit.. Just checked the roads in Glen Isla - or lack of them. And most of Blairgowrie, and all of Alyth are missing.
Looks like a lot of riding to do.
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Thanks for this. As I couldn't get the maps to install using Windows, I've installed ubuntu especially for this!
For folk wanting to add to OSM, it works much better if you set your GPS to record as often as possible - a point every second.
You need to be logging your tracks to SD card for this to not be a nuisance.
I find a small digital voice recorder useful, and that it's easier to record the location of a roadside object such as a phone box by riding in a small circle than by mucking about marking waypoints.
Another point is that if you've got a good cycling GPS trace, it's handy to check existing OSM roads against it. What's there could have come from an automatic recording of a car journey or from a scan of an out of copyright OS map (usually tagged as source=NPE (New Popular Edition), and the accuracy may not be that good.
Yup - most of the Dundee stuff is from tracing of Yahoo satellite imagery and is about 5m or so out compared to my GPS signal.
For folk wanting to add to OSM, it works much better if you set your GPS to record as often as possible - a point every second. You need to be logging your tracks to SD card for this to not be a nuisance.
On tracklog resolution, 1pt/2sec works for me when cycling,
Damn. Time to get coding then on a free replacement. Which will work on Linux too.
There already is, http://qlandkarte.sourceforge.net/ this link says it is dead, well actually superseded but it works fine until the ( much improved) GT & M versions have binaries available. Also allows upload/download and is a direct Linux replacement for Mapsource.
qlandkarte appears to have an ubuntu package in Hardy already. Another reason to use Windows bites the dust. :thumbsup:
I'm struggling with qlandkarte too - I downloaded some supposed garmin img format files for OSM. All I get is a bunch of tile rectangles, nothing is rendered. ???
I'm struggling with qlandkarte too - I downloaded some supposed garmin img format files for OSM. All I get is a bunch of tile rectangles, nothing is rendered. ???
I used these: OpenStreetMap for Garmin - Download (http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/download.html)
I'm struggling with qlandkarte too - I downloaded some supposed garmin img format files for OSM. All I get is a bunch of tile rectangles, nothing is rendered. ???
I used these: OpenStreetMap for Garmin - Download (http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/download.html)
I've downloaded and unzipped the .img files from there. Now how do I get them into qlandkarte?
I'm beginning to remember why Windows was so successful compared to other platforms ::-)
I haven't plugged the GPS in yet though... I only have a serial cable and this ubuntu box only has USB ports.
Well I got the maps in, but unless I'm overly mistaken there don't seem to be any local roads in this area.
I haven't plugged the GPS in yet though... I only have a serial cable and this ubuntu box only has USB ports.
Setup - driver - dropdown list, the last two items are Garmin serial, no idea if they work though.
Well I got the maps in, but unless I'm overly mistaken there don't seem to be any local roads in this area.
You know what you must do ;)
Gosh, half our town is missing. Hadn't expected that in a well-populated area.
Idiot's guide:
1: Install GPSBabel: GPSBabel: convert, upload, download data from GPS and Map programs (http://www.gpsbabel.org/)
2: Power up your GPS and connect it to the computer.
3: For the input, tick "Device", for output choose a filename, and ensure that Waypoints and Tracks are ticked.
4: Click "Let's Go" and it'll suck the tracks and waypoints off your GPS to the GPX file on your computer.
5: Go to OpenStreetMap: OpenStreetMap (http://openstreetmap.org/)
6: Click the GPS Traces tab and sign in.
7: Click the Upload A Trace link and follow the instructions.
8: Wait about half an hour (sometime less, sometimes more) for the trace to get into the public database. You'll receive a mail when it is ready.
9: Edit!
(Lordy, I'm hooked - I'm planning my commutes to fill in blank spots! ::-) )
I haven't plugged the GPS in yet though... I only have a serial cable and this ubuntu box only has USB ports.
Setup - driver - dropdown list, the last two items are Garmin serial, no idea if they work though.
It's all about geek ratios. ;D
Skip the track upload. It takes too long and is only of interest for others if you are not going to add the roads yourself.
Skip the track upload. It takes too long and is only of interest for others if you are not going to add the roads yourself.
JOSM ???
Andy, if there's any specific presets you'd like to see in Potlatch, let me know!
It's generally good practice to upload the tracks if you can - just so that if some bloke comes along and says "oy, you copied that from the OS", we can turn round and say "no we didn't, here's the track". But not essential.I mostly haven't been, on the grounds that I go over them in JOSM immediately, and that at 1 point per second with a lot of the same bits of road being on lots of different tracks, it's just a load of wasted space on the OSM server. My GPX files get to several megabytes each.
It's generally good practice to upload the tracks if you can - just so that if some bloke comes along and says "oy, you copied that from the OS", we can turn round and say "no we didn't, here's the track". But not essential.I mostly haven't been, on the grounds that I go over them in JOSM immediately, and that at 1 point per second with a lot of the same bits of road being on lots of different tracks, it's just a load of wasted space on the OSM server. My GPX files get to several megabytes each.
Should I change?
The computerteddy map files have been updated (Yesterday).
I am just downloading the whole UK - if that goes OK, I may try all western europe.
The computerteddy map files have been updated (Yesterday).
I am just downloading the whole UK - if that goes OK, I may try all western europe.
Well I got the maps in, but unless I'm overly mistaken there don't seem to be any local roads in this area.
You know what you must do ;)
Yes ;D I was fearing that reply ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let's focus on trying to get the GPS working, then somebody will have to give me an idiot's guide as to how to get the data back to the public domain :-[
The computerteddy map files have been updated (Yesterday).
I am just downloading the whole UK - if that goes OK, I may try all western europe.
Which is the UK download? I've a fancy to combine it with the SMC topo to get something topo and fresh.
bloomin eck, do you geeks talk in another language accidentally, or just enjoy playing with our minds?
...Geeknote: I ended up getting the tiles the old-fashioned way, using the tile identifier to make a list, then using aporndownload plugin called DownThemAll to suck down a bucket of tiles, deleted the ones I didn't need, unzipped 'em, and fed those and the SMC contours through Sendmap. Yes, it could be automated better!)
This is the tile list I used (there are a few of these tiles non-existent, which will mean "nothing to see but sea"):
...
I haven't plugged the GPS in yet though... I only have a serial cable and this ubuntu box only has USB ports.
Setup - driver - dropdown list, the last two items are Garmin serial, no idea if they work though.
Sorry misread your post, you can get usb - serial leads.
Device
Settings are ignored for USB devices
Serial Port /dev/ttyS0
will it work?
The driver setup in the qlandkarte screen says
Settings are ignored for USB devices
Serial Port /dev/ttyS0
That tile is just 3.7mb, so I hope that once I've used sendmap the garmin file will still be less than 8mb.
(note to self, try and find that application, download and install - is it windows or can I use ubuntu?)
sendmap20 -l 63272542.imgsendmap20 -l 63272542.img bash: sendmap20: command not foundI haven't found a use for Sendmap - but MapSetToolKit
http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/home (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/home)
can get these .img maps into Mapsource, and thence into the GPS, optionally mixed with other Mapsource maps.
It also needs cgpsMapper, which is downloadable in several versions from 'free' to '$x0,000' - the free version works fine for this purpose. MapSetToolKit acts as the GUI front-end for cgpsmapper. You also need a walk-through tutorial - but all this is linked from the above link.
These OSM map tiles are (at present) quite small (file size) so its no problem to get several into your GPS memory.
In total I do it (Win XP) with 2 urls, the first to identify the tiles I want and the 2nd to download them:
http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html (http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html)
http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/ (http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/)
and the two free programs MapSetToolKit and cgpsMapper, you also need to be able to extract the compressed downloadable files, which shouldn't be a problem.
For running it in Linux: Linux usually doesn't execute files unless they are in particular directories (the PATH), and your home directory should not be in the PATH. If you want to execute something not in the PATH, you have to specify the full directory path, or to run it from the current directory use ./
ie this should workCode: [Select]./sendmap20
And why are you running it with the -l attribute? I think that's to create a file, which is for the Garmins which work as a USB mass storage device. If you're using a serial Garmin I think you want the -t attribute to specify a port.
And you know there is a GUI for the Windows version of sendmap? It might help.
sendmap20.exe has generated errors and will be closed by windows.
detected : eTrex Legend Software Version 2.39
Available Memory : 7mb
Max number of maps : 525
Final map size : 3 mb
Can't change the speed - trying to restore communication...
Cannot change speed, trying to use the default speed
Right. Final question for tonight.
Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.54819&lon=0.63199&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF). It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?
I'm thinking of going to the boundary and mapping the streets of Hadleigh tomorrow. Is it ok to just put the GPS onto the bike, cycle all the streets and then upload a single trace, or do they want individual traces per street? (having played with "edit map" in play mode a few times I see that some roads are part of a "way" which implies each road has been mapped individually - is this something that JOSM (not yet installed) can do at a later date?
Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.54819&lon=0.63199&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF). It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?Out of Southend probably comes from where people have put on GPS tracks from random journeys rather than going out surveying. Residential roads mostly only get done when someone goes out on a proper survey.
the dos window that mapsettoolkit popped up eventually scrolled lots of errors through it (which I didn't get a chance to note down as the window then closed).
Although the "southend_tile" map does appear in the dropdown of my mapsource (version 4.09) when I select it I get a "problem report" window with the option to submit a bugcheck to Garmin :(
Residential roads mostly only get done when someone goes out on a proper survey.
Right. Final question for tonight.
Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.54819&lon=0.63199&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF). It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?
No I wasn't aware that a GUI existed. I think that OSM site and associated help files is written by geeks and for geeks, I'm really struggling here.
Congrats on your success so far. Just backtracking a bit ...the dos window that mapsettoolkit popped up eventually scrolled lots of errors through it (which I didn't get a chance to note down as the window then closed).
Are you sure they were errors then.
A load of scrolling text in the DOS window, which then closes, is normal.
Right. Final question for tonight.
Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.54819&lon=0.63199&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF). It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?
If you go into the potlatch editor (which is the one you get to when logged in and you click the edit tab on the website), you can click a route, and then press H (capital) for history. This gives the name of the person who edited it.
As pointed out above - if traced from a base map, there should be a source reference.
The relevant points are STILL named as "London Road" in the xml, but also named as "Kiln Road" in another area of the XML. How do I delete the "London Road" name off the wrong points?
Would it be bad practice to just "convert to track" as per JonBouy's process (oh, and thanks TonyCollinet for telling me to press "G") and then spend the course of this week at work doing minor edits to remove the duplicates (when I rode some roads two or three times) and also to split the whole track into individual roads?
Well I don't know what I'm doing now ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think I have a track up there, but the edit stuff is changing all the time :-\ :-\ :-\
If you were a wikifaerie in this area (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.5676&lon=0.5855&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF) (near the car park I started at), what can you see at the moment? Is "Dark Lane" labelled? Is the car park labelled?
The hardest thing, bearing in mind I went out without a map, was remembering where I'd been and which roads I'd turned left/right etc
The username is pretty geektastic and I am pleased to report that I had to Google for it to understand why.
Looking at 'your' area in Potlatch most of your GPS track appears to be there as a couple of unnamed OSM objects. I guess that that is why you couldn't unlock it - it already was and is in the database awaiting rendering.
I also noticed that some of the roads that you have inserted don't actually connect to others - they are merely split off track segments from your GPS. An example is the southern end of Grasmere Road.
I hope that the feedback is appreciated !
The username is pretty geektastic and I am pleased to report that I had to Google for it to understand why.
Looking at 'your' area in Potlatch most of your GPS track appears to be there as a couple of unnamed OSM objects. I guess that that is why you couldn't unlock it - it already was and is in the database awaiting rendering.
I also noticed that some of the roads that you have inserted don't actually connect to others - they are merely split off track segments from your GPS. An example is the southern end of Grasmere Road.
I hope that the feedback is appreciated !
Feedback is appreciated.
Southern end of Grasmere is a classic. Way 29076717 was already in there, but is further north than my GPS trace. On my trace you can see both sides of the road as I cycled both ways along there. Do I move the existing way south to meet my trace, and Grasmere Road, then name it? (That's what I was intending to do which is why the Grasmere Road goes to where it does).
Are you sure they were errors then.Definitely errors.
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Finally Nutty (incidentally, love the nickname) - yahooapis.com is just used for the satellite imagery backdrop, which we have permission from Yahoo to trace over, but whose coverage is restricted pretty much to the big cities - bizarrely London and Salisbury are in there but Birmingham isn't. You can stop Potlatch from looking for it by choosing a different background with the little preferences window ('tick' icon, bottom left).
Well, you can't get the street names, one-way restrictions and stuff like that from the aerial imagery (and like you say, the coverage is rubbish in most places) - you can only trace the grid. So someone will have to cycle it sooner or later to get the names.
I guess the advantage is that, if you've traced the outline from the imagery, you could just note down the name at the end of the road and not cycle up it. Though the likelihood of Yahoo ever getting any imagery out here in the sticks is pretty minimal anyway...
Frankie - to get the magic 'Convert to track' button in Potlatch, you need to go to the GPS Traces listing, then click 'edit' next to the track in question - not the tab at the top of the page. You'll then see a 'Track' button once it's loaded.
I'm marking unmade roads as highway=track, surface=gravel.
New build of the maps here (http://www.mapomatic.net/2009/01/21/garmin-maps-updated/) (download link).
I've built this week's map for UK&IE / Topo, which is here: mappy goodness (http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/maps/openstreetmap_uk_topo_22-jan-02009.zip)Computer says: "Feck right off!" :-\
I'm impressed with Osmarender. I uploaded some routes yesterday evening and they were rendered this morning.Yes, it is rather good - I've noticed new roads appearing in a few hours or so.
If you don't want to wait as long you can go here and add a render request: The Information Freeway :: A map of the planet (http://www.informationfreeway.org/)
Then it will probably get updated within minutes.
I've been trying to figure out how to generate .tdb files to go alongside the .img files so I can use the maps in Mapsource.
What's a TDB?
What's a TDB?
Using the method linked to by Bruce, I'm currently building this for Great Britain. If it works, I'll let you all know how to do it and provide the files, if someone has some webspace for them.
Wow! How many tiles has it pooped out?
Wow - Yesterdays edits are in already. Cool. Some bits to revisit over the weekend to tidy up.
I downloaded the Great Britain OSM data from a German website called Geofabrik: Europe downloads (http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/). These are updated from the main OSM repository every day.
I used the Splitter application: OSM tile splitter (http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/tile-splitter) to break the GBR data into something more manageable.
I then used the mkgmap application: OSM mkgmap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mkgmap) to generate the .img and .tdb files that Mapsource needs. Windows users can (probably) use these to install the map into Mapsource.
You need to switch it into mass storage mode (when it pretends to be a USM stick, and appears on your computer).
On the device, powered up and connected, find Settings > Interface. :thumbsup:
(oh, can anyone let me know if the street labels in this week's map are weird or if it's just me?)
Ok, I've read this and feel like a right numpty. I'd like to load these maps onto my GPS60CSX and give them a try but have no clue as to how to do it.
I have a USB lead for my Garmin and it has a 1gb card in it but plugged in to my PC I cannot see the Garmin.
Is there somewhere a truly simply 'words of one syllable' numpty special guide please?
I'm happy with Teddy's tiles, but they're not routable, and when you try to route my map, it throws a benny. How long did your tiles take to calculate?
Ok, I've read this and feel like a right numpty. I'd like to load these maps onto my GPS60CSX and give them a try but have no clue as to how to do it.
I have a USB lead for my Garmin and it has a 1gb card in it but plugged in to my PC I cannot see the Garmin.
Is there somewhere a truly simply 'words of one syllable' numpty special guide please?
On my 60CSx, I've just done the following......
turn on GPS
[menu] -> use with GPS off [enter] (just to avoid logging rubbish positions)
[menu] [menu] -> Setup [enter] -> Interface [enter]
-> USB Mass Storage [enter]
long beep and GPS goes dead, but with lit screen
connect USB cable
chime from PC
A Windows Explorer window pops up showing drive G: with a "garmin" folder on it (drive letter may vary)
In the system tray (bottom right, with the clock) there's a new icon showing a little grey something with a green left-pointing arrow above. Holding the mouse pointer over it shows "Safely remove hardware"
The G:\garmin folder has in it a file called "gmapsupp.img" This is my mapping.
There is also a folder "Poi" that contains the custom points of interest I loaded using the Garmin Poiloader program (free download).
Tracks logged to the card whilst riding will show at top level on G: - eg G:\20090219.gpx
The gmapsupp.img file I use was created by Mapsource from City Navigator data. OpenStreetMap data will have to be digested into a file of the same name as talked about up thread, and just copied into G:\garmin\gmapsupp.img using Windows Explorer. Create the "garmin" folder if it's not already there.
To disconnect the GPS, click on the "Safely remove hardware" system tray icon and select "Safely remove USB mass storage device - Drive (G:)"
You'll get a message on the PC saying you can unplug, the GPS will beep, and it will return to the screen it was on before you went into the menu to connect.
If you unplug the cable you'll get a GPS beep and a message "External power lost - turning off in 30 seconds"
If you unplug the GPS without doing the "Safely Remove Hardware" bit, you will probably have to turn it off to get it working again. You may also find that not everything you copied onto it is there as the "Safely remove hardware" function also flushes the write buffers.
Have you installed the Garmin USB driver?
I find it works better to power the unit, connect it and then switch it to Mass Storage mode, but obviously since Andrew does it the other way it can work either way.
Have you installed the Garmin USB driver?Where from, how, and to what, please?
[menu] [menu] -> Setup [enter] -> Interface [enter]
-> USB Mass Storage [enter]
I ROCK! ;D
1: Get the country.osm files from Geofabrik (http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/) like wot Bikenerd does.
I've just ordered a new Garmin data cable for £2.50 delivered so I can give that a try when it gets here.I've just tried my 60CSx on my work PC, which has never been near any Garmin software.
Munky maps look good - but roads seem to vanish in wales - surprisingly almost exactly at the welsh border???
edit: scotland seems to be struggling as well.
Use it to get the track (and waypoints) from your GPS to your computer.
Go to the OpenStreetMap "Traces" tab, OpenStreetMap | Public GPS traces (http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces), and upload them. You'll need to register to upload and edit.
4: How do I put labels and points of interest on the maps?
The easy, online editor is accessed via the "Edit" tab. Basically, you just draw over your traces (traces are pretty ragged, human drawing is much nicer). The editor is called Potlatch and its docs are here: Potlatch - OpenStreetMap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch)
The more hardcore editor I use is called JOSM - good for batch edits and tweaking (stuff like joining ways is easier in JOSM, and it has a load of presets). JOSM's docs are here: JOSM - OpenStreetMap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Josm)
Just thinking loudly:
Wouldn't it a good idea to use these maps to promote OSM during LEL? If more people from aboard learn about OSM, it just means that we get free maps when we go there... The easy way would be to ask melita to provide a link when she emails everybody.
Just thinking loudly:
Wouldn't it a good idea to use these maps to promote OSM during LEL? If more people from aboard learn about OSM, it just means that we get free maps when we go there... The easy way would be to ask melita to provide a link when she emails everybody.
It's a very small target audience. 550 riders. You'd get far more people if you sent a single email to the Audax UK mailing list and also the Google 'randon' group.
OSM's got some projects sponsored in the Google Summer of Code. One that's particularly interesting to cyclists is a preprocessor to munge OSM ways and SRTM altitude data, which would make subsequent processing involving heights much easier. The map could sprout automatic chevrons, and wayfinding could include "avoid steep hills" or "flattest route" options, and visualization could become 3-D. :thumbsup:
Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I can't get it working again >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Can anybody help?
I am on a ubuntu machine, have sendmap20, have the img tile, have an old eTrex legend, have a USB to serial port adapter that can talk to the original serial lead. (I can download tracks from the GPS via this lead so I know it works.)
Last time I sent a map to the unit I used a windows 2000 box, with the command line
sendmap20 -tcom2 63272542.img -s57600
which worked fine from the cmd prompt to get the map onto the unit.
Now I'm at the terminal window on ubuntu, and am using the following command line
./sendmap20 -t/dev/ttyUSB0 -s57600 63272542.img
this returns the following output, no matter whether I use the -s option or not.
Detected : eTrex Legend Software Version 2.39
Available memory : 7 MB
Max number of maps: 525
Final map size : 3 MB
Can't change the speed - trying to restore communication...
Cannot change speed, trying to use the default speed
How can I use this ubuntu box to dump the img tile onto the GPS unit? As you can see from the memory available I can only use one tile, not big munky UK data ;D
/bin/stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 57600
Detected : eTrex Legend Software Version 2.39so it can definitely see the unit as it's returning data, but it can't send the map to it.
Available memory : 7 MB
Max number of maps: 525
Final map size : 3 MB
Can't change the speed - trying to restore communication...
Cannot change speed, trying to use the default speed
Where do you get the tiles from Andy?
It is usual to split Garmin maps up into smaller tiles. This is becausebut doesn't seem to give the information on how to cut out just a <8mb chunk of the data for my area :-\
older GPS units (before large SD cards were cheap) had a limited amount of memory
for maps, and secondly because there are limits within the map format
itself.
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
at sun.misc.FloatingDecimal.readJavaFormatString(FloatingDecimal.java:1240)
at java.lang.Double.parseDouble(Double.java:527)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.xml.Osm5XmlHandler.addNode(Osm5XmlHandler.java:435)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.xml.Osm5XmlHandler.startElement(Osm5XmlHandler.java:131)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.startElement(AbstractSAXParser.java:504)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractXMLDocumentParser.emptyElement(AbstractXMLDocumentParser.java:182)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.xinclude.XIncludeHandler.emptyElement(XIncludeHandler.java:981)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.scanStartElement(XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.java:353)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2723)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLDocumentScannerImpl.java:624)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.java:116)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:486)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:810)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:740)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:110)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1208)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:525)
at javax.xml.parsers.SAXParser.parse(SAXParser.java:392)
at javax.xml.parsers.SAXParser.parse(SAXParser.java:195)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.reader.osm.xml.Osm5MapDataSource.load(Osm5MapDataSource.java:80)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.MapMaker.loadFromFile(MapMaker.java:137)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.MapMaker.makeMap(MapMaker.java:53)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.processFilename(Main.java:150)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgs$Filename.processArg(CommandArgs.java:340)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.CommandArgs.readArgs(CommandArgs.java:119)
at uk.me.parabola.mkgmap.main.Main.main(Main.java:91)
curl -L "http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=0.4,51.5,0.8,51.6" -o southend.osmYes but that's an index for the computerteddy tiles and, as was mentioned upthread, they're looking a bit old at present. on a regular basis.
It looks like Computerteddy's site here has the latest .img tiles (updated 23 April): http://openstreetmap.teddynetz.de:81/latest/img/
What exactly is an anti-horse barrier, what does it look like? I'd say something with Key:barrier - OpenStreetMap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barrier)
Maybe barrier=gate or barrier=bollard, or barrier=cycle_barrier if its a sort of chicane thing? Plus the appropriate access tags, ie foot=yes, horse=no, bicycle=no?
They're a Proper Company so their site ought to be back up soonish!
So, I'm now just clicking "edit map" then "show GPS traces" and creating my own roads over the top of the blue lines. It's so much faster :thumbsup: Is this acceptable? (Question 1)
Yes, that's fine. In fact I think that's the best / recommended way.
...
And its not clutter to leave old traces - if you have lots of traces for the same road, you can take an average of them to draw the road more accurately. Plus it proves you were actually there, and didn't just copy the roads off a map etc.
gpsbabel -t -i garmin -f /dev/ttyUSB0 -o gpx -F file.gpxwon't work because /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't exist.gpsbabel -t -i garmin -f usb: -o gpx -F file.gpxBut I get the response of usb_set_configuration failed, probably because kernel driver ''
is blocking our access to the USB device.
For more information see Fixing USB permissions for Garmins in GPSBabel. (http://www.gpsbabel.org/os/Linux_Hotplug.html)
sudo gpsbabel -t -i garmin -f usb: -o gpx -F file.gpxBut I then got the response of usb_set_configuration failed, probably because kernel driver 'usb-storage'
is blocking our access to the USB device.
For more information see Fixing USB permissions for Garmins in GPSBabel. (http://www.gpsbabel.org/os/Linux_Hotplug.html)
From the output, any idea what it might be? I've tried some but just keep getting "Cannot open... no such file or directory" :-\
what does 'ls /dev | grep -i usb' give?
what does 'ls /dev | grep -i usb' give?
find /proc | grep -i usb
However the conversion process does downsample - the red locked track has far fewer points in it than the underlying blue trace, even though I limit each uploaded track fragment to 200 points or fewer.There's one of those hidden little keypresses for that - if you hold Shift when clicking 'Track', it'll apply less downsampling.
<sigh>
usb_set_configuration failed, probably because kernel driver ''
is blocking our access to the USB device.
However the conversion process does downsample - the red locked track has far fewer points in it than the underlying blue trace, even though I limit each uploaded track fragment to 200 points or fewer.There's one of those hidden little keypresses for that - if you hold Shift when clicking 'Track', it'll apply less downsampling.
If you're interested, what it's doing behind the scenes is a process called Douglas-Peucker simplification, which removes trackpoints on straight lines but keeps them at corners.
Trouble is potlatch does freeze sometimes, at which point I lose out the ability to carry on,
I've now replaced my old GPS with a Garmin Edge 605.I don't have an Edge, but doesn't it just work as a USB mass storage device, with the recorded tracklogs saved somewhere on the drive?
When I plug the USB into my ubuntu machine the window pops open showing the files on it (so it is talking).
Has anybody got the instructions for getting the gpx off of a Garmin Edge 605 onto a ubuntu box?
Either in the internal memory or on the microSD card. Possibly in the Garmin\History directory.
I think they might be in TCX format, but GPSBabel should convert them to GPX.
nutty@nutty-laptop:~/Documents/Mapping$ ls *.tcx
2009-04-29-16-24-13.tcx
nutty@nutty-laptop:~/Documents/Mapping$ gpsbabel -t -i gtrnctr -f 2009-04-29-16-24-13.tcx -o gpx -F 090429.gpx
gtc: this format does not support reading.
inc - yes I rebooted.
but I'm now doubting whether I did the blacklist line as well as the others :-\ and that's my "playpen" box at work, so I shall now have to repeat the processes on the home machine ;D ;D whoops
BRB
What version of GPSBabel are you using? I think support for reading tcx files was added in the latest one (version 1.3.6): GPSBabel 1.3.6: free software to convert, upload, download data from GPS and Map programs (http://www.gpsbabel.org/news/20081031.html)
Or you could try this online converter: GPS Visualizer: Convert GPS files to plain text or GPX (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input)
I have just looked at my udev rules and they are slightly different to the gpsbabel site. I have group="plugdev" added.
SYSFS{idVendor}=="091e", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0003", MODE="0660", group="plugdev"
The following Garmin GPS receivers are supported, but they do not support Garmin communication protocol and don't work with the garmin option. To use these receivers, read or write GPX files from the mass storage device as mounted on your computer.
I can see 1.3.6 for "linux" but am not certain how to install a rpm package to ubuntu (I'm still a newbie). I guess I'll just have to wait for the repositories to be updated from 1.3.5
I can see 1.3.6 for "linux" but am not certain how to install a rpm package to ubuntu (I'm still a newbie). I guess I'll just have to wait for the repositories to be updated from 1.3.5
I can see 1.3.6 for "linux" but am not certain how to install a rpm package to ubuntu (I'm still a newbie). I guess I'll just have to wait for the repositories to be updated from 1.3.5
1.3.6-3 seems to be in some Ubuntu reps already
Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- gpsbabel (http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gpsbabel)
Are you using a micro SD card or the actual built in memory? A 2gb card (http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SD?&filter=2048&gclid=CPTLxrXHpJoCFUKK3godl08i9Q#memFilter) is cheap these days and will fit the complete rather excellent Munky Map and leave bags of space for saving routes.
I haven't managed to get Munky Map into Mapsource yet but I suspect that it's because I'm incompetent ;D
The monolithic Munkymap won't go, but try the tiles - the tiles file contains overview and TDBs for each country.
I just download the monolith and once unzipped bung it straight into my GPS.
Just to add, I think its generally better to draw cycle tracks as separate ways, even if they are pretty close to the road. Because it means you can add tags for surface and foot=yes etc, and you can actually see what side of the roads its on.
Also for NCN routes, its recommended that you add them to a relation as well/instead of the ncn_ref tag. It looks like there isn't a relation for NCN16 yet, so you'd have to create one.
Another question.
OpenStreetMap (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.540393&lon=0.717376&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF)
This underpass has cyclists prohibited, but the cyclestreets site routed me via it. How do I mark it appropriately? (cyclists need to take the slip road, roundabout, slip road)
Just to add, I think its generally better to draw cycle tracks as separate ways, even if they are pretty close to the road. Because it means you can add tags for surface and foot=yes etc, and you can actually see what side of the roads its on.
If it is just a case of importing my data to the GPSbabel for it to create the gpx file and then uploading it to OSM I might just cope.
If it is just a case of importing my data to the GPSbabel for it to create the gpx file and then uploading it to OSM I might just cope.
Yes, that will do nicely. Make sure you tick the "public" box when uploading them, so that other folk can see them too.
You or others can then trace over the GPS trace to put down those little backroads.
I really love chasing them down and hooning off into "unmapped space". It gets a bit dog-chasing-cars-ish for me... O:-)
Find > various POI. Find > Food gets cafes, but weirdly, I can't see how to search for pubs. Loos would be nice to appear in Community but don't. I'll look into whether that can be tweaked. Anyone else?
Find > various POI. Find > Food gets cafes, but weirdly, I can't see how to search for pubs. Loos would be nice to appear in Community but don't. I'll look into whether that can be tweaked. Anyone else?
If there is a Save As optiion on MapSource that will save an individual track - I've yet to find it.Delete all of the other tracks/waypoints etc in MapSource, then do File -> Save as, and you can save the individual track to a GPX file.
Any ideas how I can retrieve it?GPSBabel: convert, upload, download data from GPS and Map programs (http://www.gpsbabel.org/) :)
Delete all of the other tracks/waypoints etc in MapSource, then do File -> Save as, and you can save the individual track to a GPX file.Both of these just crash Mapsource as soon as I Save As (with GPX file type)
Or right click on the track, then copy, then do File -> New, and paste in the individual track. Then Save as to a file.
Delete all of the other tracks/waypoints etc in MapSource, then do File -> Save as, and you can save the individual track to a GPX file.Both of these just crash Mapsource as soon as I Save As (with GPX file type)
Or right click on the track, then copy, then do File -> New, and paste in the individual track. Then Save as to a file.
* Tidied up roundabout rendering. There was some fugliness and now there is not; roundabouts are properly drawn in the style of their road.
Probably because OSM contributors sometimes tag them as roundabouts and sometimes just draw multi-point 1-way circular roads.
Hm, could be - I've noticed that it sometimes says it and sometimes doesn't...
Delete all of the other tracks/waypoints etc in MapSource, then do File -> Save as, and you can save the individual track to a GPX file.Both of these just crash Mapsource as soon as I Save As (with GPX file type)
Or right click on the track, then copy, then do File -> New, and paste in the individual track. Then Save as to a file.
Well that's not normal Mapsource behaviour, believe it or not.
If you haven't already, try updating (or possibly down-dating) your Mapsource to v6.13, just maybe that will cure it.
Easier than doing a full uninstall/reinstall.
File is on the Garmin site at
http://www8.garmin.com/software/MapSource_6137.exe (http://www8.garmin.com/software/MapSource_6137.exe)
just download it and run it, to do the upgrade. Copy your existing installed Mapsource.exe file to another directory first, for safety, because this update will simply replace that file.
NB this version number has nothing to do with whatever map version you have installed (v8 or whatever) - is is just the version for the 'wrapper' Mapsource program.
QuoteBoth of these just crash Mapsource as soon as I Save As (with GPX file type)Well that's not normal Mapsource behaviour, believe it or not.
Hey FF
Seems that IS quite usual behaviour in 6.15.6 after all.
Where is the suspect road? Link me, baby.
All my other updates have appeared this morning - I suspect the server(s) was/were overloaded yesterday and queueing up updates (if that's how they work).I've noticed in the past that recent edits have appeared on the map at different times, depending on zoom level. As if what you are seeing is pre-digested images rather than live data drawn at the time of display.
All my other updates have appeared this morning - I suspect the server(s) was/were overloaded yesterday and queueing up updates (if that's how they work).I've noticed in the past that recent edits have appeared on the map at different times, depending on zoom level. As if what you are seeing is pre-digested images rather than live data drawn at the time of display.
All my other updates have appeared this morning - I suspect the server(s) was/were overloaded yesterday and queueing up updates (if that's how they work).I've noticed in the past that recent edits have appeared on the map at different times, depending on zoom level. As if what you are seeing is pre-digested images rather than live data drawn at the time of display.
An unusual error happened
I get this using Potlatch or JOSM. I think I broke it ::-).
... loading a bikely generated gpx on to the unit as a route - it only showed the first section of my Tintern Abbey 200 ride and then only as a track, not a route. Is there a size limit ...
Not free, but trawling around ebay I found this outfit Softsalez (http://www.softsalez.net) selling Garmin mapping at about £12 for the UK ... I assume it's just pirate s/w that's there until ebay stops them?
Real software, but it's a reseller of OEM stuff. That's against the licence conditions, so if a publisher notices, they may revoke the licence.
Actually, ignore all that, as the sea polygons patch is under heavy development even as we speak. Mmm, zeitgeisty. I'm in the mood for much tarting-up, watch this space. :thumbsup:
What I am really after is a map that also has similar deatil of France (if there is one).
What I am really after is a map that also has similar deatil of France (if there is one).
Another plaudit for OSM - I rode out to the coast here in Australia on Saturday. Not only did Andy's routable mapping get me from from Perth to City Beach on cycle paths and lovely traffic-free routes, but when I got there, I found that most of the footpaths and tracks through the dunes and scrubland had been mapped out.
streetname lookup. It'll add some size to the map. Just need to get the ugly POI that mkgmap inserts invisible. Unleash the 2x2 transparent GIF!
Have you had any joy with sea polygons? I've been testing with the Geofabrik IOM and it just does nothing. That's with 'latest'.
MDR file? I know not this thing. Is this more reverse-engineering hackery of the IMG format?
Andy - looking back a few posts it seems like youve put up an OSM map for Australia - is that the 68 mb dl ?.
As I am on some of the worlds slowest internet (in FarNorth QLD) I cant do big dl - so 2nd Q - have you managed to cut out the zaggy main roads that seemed to be in most /all aus OSM mapsets ? (these phantom roads cut across the real red/blue streets).
For anyone coming this way -
transparent Contours Australia Contours Australia Home Page (http://www.lizarddrinking.net/) 733MB in size and there is 117 maps in the set.10m contour line
For SW Australia Munda Biddy bike track has been mapped near Perth and Collie - on google or (somewhere on) gps.australia.net...
Making a pretty render of the thing is a whole other ballgame. Over to someone else ;)I've included it in my NCN-centric "fork" of your Garmin map - it appears with a brown line. I keep trying to persuade Andy (Allan) to include it in OpenCycleMap!
highway=bus_stop is 0x2f08.
type=route & network=uk_ldp {
apply {
set nwn=yes;
set ref='${name}';
}
}3. At some stage I notice that the map's blank
4. I'm OK when I get to a junction though, I just continue to follow my pre-planned route using an arrow that points me in the right direction
You'd need a separate line type.
I had a dabble and the obvious aesthetic answers are surprisingly tricky for the Garmin: one would be a "faded" version of the line, for tunnels, but the device arbitrarily draws bitmap lines in a faded manner anyway.
I wish you could see their faces 'light up' when I take their GPS unit and tell them that I'm going to give them street level detail maps.
I tried to add some residential streets from this mornings walk but the "base map" for my area didn't exist it was blank with an apology of sorts. anyhow i think i added the roads that i wanted to and will check back later to see if they've appeared before going walkabout with the gps.
;D The trees are Garmin default, y'know.
I usually use Mapsource for creating routes - perhaps I need to load a MunkyMap into there? If so, how?Yes, you can install the MunkyMaps in MapSource, its not too hard:
I usually use Mapsource for creating routes - perhaps I need to load a MunkyMap into there? If so, how?Yes, you can install the MunkyMaps in MapSource, its not too hard:
Is there a sensible way to install all the Munky maps at once? That method won't allow me to have the England and the Wales maps at the same time without jibbling the FID.You could combine all of the tiles them into a single mapset, then install in MapSource, but you would have to generate a new TDB file and an overview map.
I can give it a go as one great tile bucket and we'll see how it plays, if you like.
How do I tell which area of the UK each tile of the tiled munky maps points to?
I've got an old eTrex Vista with only 24mb so have to be selective on what I upload.
Install them all in Mapsource as described above, then click on the ones you want on the map of the UK with the map selecty thing, and click "send to GPS" as you would with Garmin maps.
I'm hooked! It's a bit of a challenge round here finding roads that aren't mapped (probably none of any significance within 20 miles) but I'm having fun filling in the few gaps that exist. Unexpectedly stumbling across an uncharted road when out for a ride thrills like a "free cakes" sign might. Are these feelings normal? Do I need help? :thumbsup:
I chase down unmapped roads like a dog that's seen a butcher's van. :smug:
I've put a link to the page, i couldn't seem to get the photo link thing to show in the post.
I use the munky GMAPSUPP.IMG on an Etrex HCx.
What's the style files download for? Should I have done something with that?
OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE.zip is the single map for Garmin.I can remember what to do with this one (into /garmin folder on the micro SD)
OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE-Tiles.zip unzips to a folder full of smaller .IMG files that are the tiles for MapSource etc.
but I'm jiggered if I can remember what to do with the tiles. It's so long since I've used mapsource....
I usually use Mapsource for creating routes - perhaps I need to load a MunkyMap into there? If so, how?Yes, you can install the MunkyMaps in MapSource, its not too hard:
Download the "Tiles" version of the Munky, and unzip the England / Scotland / Wales folder somewhere, plus the munky.typ file.
Download MapSetToolKit from cypherman1 - MapSetToolKit page
(font-end for cgpsmapper) (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/) and unzip it (note: you do not need to download cGPSmapper).
Run MapSetToolKit, and on the right there is a section for "Mapset installed". Click on the button underneath that for "Install".
Choose the TDB file, TYP file etc from the the Munky map folder you unzipped. I think the "Overview map" is the 63240000.img file.
You also need to fill in something for the "Registry name", I think this can be whatever you like, so long as its not the same as another mapset.
Then click Install, and it will be installed in MapSource.
Minor suggestion to Andy: can you give your maps a series name? Its currently just the mkgmap default of "OSM Map", which gets confusing if you have multiple OSM maps installed in MapSource. Its done using the --series-name= option in Mkgmap.
Would it work if you did "Run as administrator" for MapSetToolKit?
I've not used Vista, but I think it only does the virtual store thing for users without admin rights.
Strange, I've never had a problem running MapSetToolKit under Vista. I use the same method to get my own mkgmap/OSM generated maps into MapSource. I run MapSetToolKit as Admin, as suggested...
Must admit, I've never tried to get tiles from MapSource to the device, though.
But in my MapSource, if I use the Map Tool, my OSM tiles highlight in yellow when I move the mouse and a tile can be selected with CTRL-Click.
Like all things open source there are other options, MKgmap is a Java application ( all OS ) written by the originator of OSM you can install it yourself but it is in the Debian repros. This application only creates the img maps but since the maps can only be used on units with mass storage you can just drag and drop them, no need for a usb connection.
Mkgmap - OpenStreetMap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap)
Well it was a great deal more complex than Fuaran's instructions .....No it isn't. It sounds like you clicked on the "Start" button in MapSetToolKit, which there's no need to do. Instead just click on the "Install" button just above that.
Lots of error msgs, seems cgsmapper IS required (which set off kaspersky alarm bells in a big way)
Any body got any ideas as to how to solve this?
Well it was a great deal more complex than Fuaran's instructions .....No it isn't. It sounds like you clicked on the "Start" button in MapSetToolKit, which there's no need to do. Instead just click on the "Install" button just above that.
Lots of error msgs, seems cgsmapper IS required (which set off kaspersky alarm bells in a big way)
When editing roads that don't quite join, I use this sequence:
1: Select the end node of my road.
2: Drag it clear of the junction.
3: Click it again and you'll get the elastic 'more of this way' line.
4: Click in the target road where you want the junction. Click a second time to set the node and release the cursor.
(you'll now have the roads joining correctly, with a gratuitous extra node knuckling off somewhere nearby)
5: Select the gratuitous node and press [Del] to delete it, or move it to make a road curve, as appropriate.
4: Click in the target road where you want the junction. Click a second time to set the node and release the cursor.
Is it possible to download the free maps and send them to mapsource to view on computer only if so how hope it's not to techieI think you can do this with MapSetToolKit (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/). It is a bit techie, but should be possible if you follow these instructions: cypherman1 - Now to use MapSetToolKit (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/intruction_en)
Is it possible to download the free maps and send them to mapsource to view on computer only if so how hope it's not to techieI think you can do this with MapSetToolKit (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/). It is a bit techie, but should be possible if you follow these instructions: cypherman1 - Now to use MapSetToolKit (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/intruction_en)
I've driven myself to distraction trying this. I don't think the dos shelly bits get on with Win7 64.
(There will be a slight delay to updates while I wonder where Doncaster has gone. Talk among yourselves...)
(There will be a slight delay to updates while I wonder where Doncaster has gone. Talk among yourselves...)
This got me thinking - do people actually need to cycle or drive down a road in order to map it in OSM, or can you just plot a route in (e.g.) bikhike, save it as a .gpx track and then use that to fill in OSM? This approach would seem to me to avoid the above issues with people adding roads when their GPS accuracy was poor. So do people actually do this?
This got me thinking - do people actually need to cycle or drive down a road in order to map it in OSM, or can you just plot a route in (e.g.) bikhike, save it as a .gpx track and then use that to fill in OSM? This approach would seem to me to avoid the above issues with people adding roads when their GPS accuracy was poor. So do people actually do this?
No, because that is copying copyright data. You have to map from scratch.
With thenew OpenDataintiative from OS, you should be able to map by tracing the open map data.
Of course. Well maybe people should check the accuracy of their recorded tracks using Google maps before adding to the OSM maps? No point in having an inaccurate map....That's still like copying from Google Maps. Also Google Maps can be rather inaccurate in places.
I built my map set from Worldwide routable Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) and one of the downloads that it provides is a MapSource installer. I just ran the executable provided and then selected that map from the MapSource menu as described above. I'm not using Win7 but I didn't have to type any techy commands. Hope that helps, sorry if I missed the point.
I use the lovely munkymap on the GPS but for mapsource purposes the above source is close enough - I don't think it has the little postboxes but it has the little foaming beer glasses for pubs :thumbsup:
Of course. Well maybe people should check the accuracy of their recorded tracks using Google maps before adding to the OSM maps? No point in having an inaccurate map....That's still like copying from Google Maps. Also Google Maps can be rather inaccurate in places.
The best way to get an accurate map is (usually) to get multiple GPS traces for each road, preferably several in each direction, and at different times / days etc. Then draw the way as an average of these, which should average out any errors.
Also it depends on how accurate it has to be anyway. You say there was a 20m error - you won't notice that unless you are using a GPS device, and zoomed right in. If its on something like a 1:25,000 printed map its less than 1mm difference, which is about the same as the width or the road.
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I'm not trying to knock OSM as I do really like the look of andgates' maps, but little things like this might turn me back to Garmin's maps.
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I'm not trying to knock OSM as I do really like the look of andgates' maps, but little things like this might turn me back to Garmin's maps.
I use Garmin maps. If I turn off the "follow road" feature then I'm not always on the mapped road (more than one device).
Out mapping the other day with my Edge 605 I found that the bridleway I was coming back along was 120feet away from where I'd mapped it an hour earlier.
Mapping with that Edge sometimes had me on top of the Etrex GPS tracks I'd uploaded to OSM the previous week.
However when mapping the area I used one road many times, so all those GPS traces were uploaded. All varied slightly but the average (of others as well as mine) gave a good indication of where the road went.
I get cross that people rely on GPS believing it gives pin point accuracy.
... Pinpont accurate requires surveyors and expensive kit and is incredibly slow. ...
... Pinpont accurate requires surveyors and expensive kit and is incredibly slow. ...
... and is only pinpoint accurate if the end user has the correct quality equipment to use the map. The google maps mentioned upthread are actually only a data gather by google from other mapping sources.
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Which reminds me. Google streetview has the village names completely wrong in my area (half the borough has been lost!)
If it was OSM I'd go and correct it. As it's google all I've been able to do is to report a problem and hope that somebody will pick up that report and go back to the source data providers and ask them to correct their data.
The google maps mentioned upthread are actually only a data gather by google from other mapping sources.
Very very norty, but I'd giggle.
Which reminds me, we need more planets. Where's OSM Moon and OSM Mars, eh? Granted, they're just public-domain science data now, but when the first commercial travellers arrive they'll only be able to get quick tagging and mapping if they use OSM!
place=base
name=Bowie Base One :thumbsup:
The Brig' o' Doon: OpenStreetMap (http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=55.426917&mlon=-4.638086&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF ) :smug:
The Brig' o' Doon: OpenStreetMap (http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=55.426917&mlon=-4.638086&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF) :smug:A long way away...
If it works for Longleat, it ought to work for you! OpenStreetMap (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.188064&lon=-2.277755&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF)
Thanks for the help Andy, I have noticed some ropey stuff in the sticks.
Possibly. Or just out of date, if it's new development. Where the ground truth doesn't match = a good time to use the note tag! ;D
You can't have different map names on the Oregon either.
The background to all of this. I have a vista HCx - which works fine with City Navigator downloaded from a DVD from the pc. I bought my partner a legend HCx and was a bit miffed when I found I couldn't put City Navigator onto it, hence, the search for a cheap or free alternative.
How does this work then? Do they have different filenames? It sounds like a good update if so. I have recently done the firmware update (was just fiddling with the elevation plot on a track just now to see if I like it) and would love the chance for multiple maps.You can't have different map names on the Oregon either.
Er, you can.
I think earlier firmware versions might not have had this, but anything updated more recently has. I have two different main maps in mine which switch with profile.
That said, multiple SD cards would still be a really easy way of getting the job done.
But then one of you will be a 2nd-class citizen. The OSM France coverage is very variable - some areas (eg around Bordeaux) are meticulously mapped, but most rural areas are sparse to nonexistent.
An alternative (OK not free and obviously you don't really want to give Garmin any more money) is to buy a 2nd City Navigator on SD - this is quite a bit cheaper than the DVD version and is not locked to a single GPS. You can't use it on a computer but then you already have the DVD for that.
How does this work then? Do they have different filenames?
Just one question though; if I have more than two maps covering the same area, does it screw up the routing for the gadget if I ask it to find the way home? Or will it just use one map?
the area around our house - near Agen has virtually nothing. I've got a lot to contribute to the maps if only I knew how to.
Can you save tracks automatically to a pre-loaded SD card?
The OSM site has all your answers. You can set your Garmin to record your gpx trace to your card, it will do this in addition to the inbuilt memory. This track is preferable for upload to OSM as it is clean i.e. no commercial Garmin information POI's etc.
Can you save tracks automatically to a pre-loaded SD card?
Having to enable/disable maps of the same area is why I suggested the multiple SD card solution wasn't actually a bad idea... less potential for confusion, and a spare 2GB card is not expensive now.
Reading the OSM site it looks like there's lots of jiggery pokery involved in sending them your tracks. I'm cycling on a lot of roads that don't appear on the map and it seems obvious to me that if I just send them a track it could be anything - I could be walking across a field or whatever. What I don't understand is how to do the stage that translates that track to something useable.
Reading the OSM site it looks like there's lots of jiggery pokery involved in sending them your tracks. I'm cycling on a lot of roads that don't appear on the map and it seems obvious to me that if I just send them a track it could be anything - I could be walking across a field or whatever. What I don't understand is how to do the stage that translates that track to something useable.
Yer, but some people find physical objects less confusing than software settings.Having to enable/disable maps of the same area is why I suggested the multiple SD card solution wasn't actually a bad idea... less potential for confusion, and a spare 2GB card is not expensive now.
Kind of easy to mislay though - and difficult to label them!
And might foul up your user profiles if you switch to a profile and the card doesn't have a matching map?
Can you save tracks automatically to a pre-loaded SD card?
No personal exerience but I've read that you can - the card isn't write-protected :o
And that's a good point re saving tracks for mapping to OSM - this really is the best way to do it. Using the 'Save Track' facility on the older models won't work - OSM rejects trackpoints that aren't timestamped.I agree with this. Plus you can set it to record 1 point per second (I think this is worth doing for OSM), without worrying about running out of space.
I find you do have to split your tracks into short chunks before uploading, or they get downsampled too much.If you're converting tracks into ways, hold Shift when you click 'Edit with save' (or 'Edit live') and it simplifies it a bit less - usually means you have to manually take out redundant points, though.
The most difficult thing I find is drawing large roundabouts (mini-Os are easy).
This looks like what I am looking for. I have some questions though.Which ones do I need to work with these maps?? (starting at the low price end)
any that can use maps.
The Edge series and other newer Garmin types like Oregon have a completely 'new' way of handling the card data generally, which obviously does work -
older card-carrying Garmins don't treat the card as a 'drive' and you can't really navigate around it - AFAIK, you have to upload the maps into the GPS via Mapsource to register them properly. So you'd still need a copy of Mapsource. Enabling this map in Mapsource will at very least need a registry hack won't it? I haven't seen such a thing as yet (maybe haven't looked hard enough).
And the single map file is too big for older non-card-carrying Garmins - their memory limit is 24Mb.
Great project though.
I had a play around today and have managed to get the South East of England onto my Garmin Etrex Vista C (old model with 24mb internal memory). Here's what I had to do (there may be short cuts I've missed);
1. Download Sendmap20 and unzip it into a directory, from http://cgpsmapper.com/download/sendmap20.zip
2. Use this site to select the map tiles you need Coordinate-To-OSM-Tile (http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html) - this also gives you a command line for later use.
3. Download (to the same dir as sendmap20) the above .img map tiles from Computerteddy's site - http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/
4. Unzip each of the files to get the .img files
5. Connect your gps via USB, switch it on. Open a DOS window, cd to the sendmap20 dir and run the command line from step 2 but remove the -l parameter so for the 6 tiles for SE Eng that is;
sendmap20 63272362.img 63272361.img 63272542.img 63272541.img 63272722.img 63272721.img
That's it, the maps appeared in my GPS. Those 6 tiles used approx 12mb space (those that didn't include a lot of sea were about 7mb each).
The tiles on Computerteddy's site are refreshed once a month so you'd have to repeat steps 2 to 5 periodically to keep up to date.
http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html (http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html) to find which tiles you wantthanks, how do you show them in MapSource ?
http://openstreetmap.teddynetz.de:81/latest/img/ (http://openstreetmap.teddynetz.de:81/latest/img/) to download them - they're refreshed weekly as far as I can see, but of course the data source may not change much in that time. I find my own updates (which appear online in OSM's basic render straight away) take about 2 weeks to filter through to these downloadable tiles.
No, those Computerteddy maps are not routable.Thanks, I followed the instructions, what was missing was I had to check "Blank Overview maps" If they are not routable I may as well stick with those I have from Metroguide. Thanks for your help though
There's instructions for installing them in Mapsource (using MapSetToolKit) here: OSM Map On MapSource - OpenStreetMap Wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_MapSource)
Hmm - routable OSM - you'd be a braver man than I, Gunga Din.Well as I said I've made my MetroGuide routable in both MapSource and my GPS now anyway so that'll do for now. I looked into ROSM as a way of getting something routable for free. While I was waiting for them to be generated I managed to get MetroGuide to work for nearly free.
What particularly bothers me is, if minor roads get extensively mapped by cyclists, but parallel major roads remain unmapped - and then people try to autoroute through this network - it will make the quiet roads busier. I know several areas in France where the map is currently in this state.I wouldn't worry too much. I think OSM in the UK probably now has 95% of A and B roads mapped (I keep trying to pick off the missing B roads...), but by and large it's only us cyclists who are using it for navigation anyway.
It (Routable OSM) kept on trying to direct me down footpaths and byways. It seemed that the last thing it wanted me to do was go in a straight line.
Once it said "Left into Alley" which was a gated driveway of a farm. Odd.
I may not have had it set to the best option (Bicycle, no 'dirt roads') so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt as it could have been my cack-handedness as it was my first use of this GPS.
More playing required.
It (Routable OSM) kept on trying to direct me down footpaths and byways. It seemed that the last thing it wanted me to do was go in a straight line.Who created the OSM garmin map you're using? If it wasn't andy then it's possible the creator has played around with road class and speed priorities, upping all the off-road track values. Was it a "bike specific" one?
Once it said "Left into Alley" which was a gated driveway of a farm. Odd.
I may not have had it set to the best option (Bicycle, no 'dirt roads') so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt as it could have been my cack-handedness as it was my first use of this GPS.
More playing required.
See my Severn Across posting. I spent much of the dawn fighting with concepts like "left onto track", "right onto unmade road". Perhaps a solution is a version of OSM with only metalled roads?This is possible. You can build an OSM Garmin map where certain types of ways are deliberately not routable. E.g. no routing on motorways and trunk roads or no routing on unpaved tracks. You'd do it by either changing the road style away from the garmin routable road codes (0x01 to 0x1B?) or playing with the road class and speed values to make certain roads very unattractive to the routing algorithm. You can do both of these things with mkgmap.
Who created the OSM garmin map you're using?
This guy: Openmtbmap.org – Mountainbike / Bicycle/ Hiking Maps based on Openstreetmap (http://openmtbmap.org/) avoided the issue by marking unmade road as toll road so if you tick "avoid toll road" it does not route you on unmade roads
I'll have a look at mkgmap, I don't mind getting my hands dirty with the underlying road classifications...
Its actually really easy and rather addictive.
it ain't dead. It's just throwing errors and making Dunwich disappear.
Sure is :)
I *think* the size of England has finally beaten my fragile little lappy. Alternatives are being explored...
Speed of update is usually pretty good, but when you posted there was a user uploading scads of data and hammering it.
Just a quick note to the effect that I've been having some problems generating maps lately, but it ain't dead. It's just throwing errors and making Dunwich disappear.
NB on the sea areas: For now, the existing blocky sea is still present as well. This sea is part of the contours package, and eventually I'll make/find a new one of those. Until then, you can use the GPS Setup > Maps to turn off contours if you need smooth sea.
NB on the sea areas: For now, the existing blocky sea is still present as well. This sea is part of the contours package, and eventually I'll make/find a new one of those. Until then, you can use the GPS Setup > Maps to turn off contours if you need smooth sea.
For some reason this amused me greatly. Now that your maps can control maritime weather, the next logical step is for turning off contours to have a similar smoothing effect on land. This would be of great benefit to cyclists. :)
Hm, I need to add slipways and whitewater tags to the munkymap soon...
Just got my GPS (Dakota 20) and is wondering how to get Andy's map in it ?It needs to be in a folder called 'GPX' (which confused me mightily the first time).
The GMAPSUPP.IMG file is now copied onto the 2GB memory card but on the GPS I can't see the map, what am I missing ?
Hm, I need to add slipways and whitewater tags to the munkymap soon...
Any chance of sneaking in leisure=playground while you're at it?
i think you need a Garmin folder on the memory card and put the map in that.
Got the route running...
Ride both ways and draw in the middle.
Ride both ways and draw in the middle.
Meh. Andy's far more conscientious than me. I just ride one way - near the middle if possible. I don't drop waypoints for turns - I turn into them to mark where they are as a stub on the track, and then resume.
...so just used google maps to confirm my memory :-[
...so just used google maps to confirm my memory :-[
Ooh - dodgy :hand:.
Easter Eggs abound. I live on one. Google maps says C***** Lane, whereas the nameplate at the end of the road says C***** Road. You can get found out like that.
Hmm, on OSM when you look here - google map (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hurlingham+Park,+Hammersmith&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.650964,46.538086&ie=UTF8&hq=Hurlingham+Park&hnear=Hurlingham+Park&ll=51.467617,-0.20108&spn=0.009571,0.022724&z=16) (since I don't know how to link to somewhere on OSM), it says Hurlingham Park as it is and all is good.
But on Andy's map on my GPS, it states that Camden Town is located right bang in the middle of the park, which is not true.
Hmm, on OSM when you look here - google map (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hurlingham+Park,+Hammersmith&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.650964,46.538086&ie=UTF8&hq=Hurlingham+Park&hnear=Hurlingham+Park&ll=51.467617,-0.20108&spn=0.009571,0.022724&z=16) (since I don't know how to link to somewhere on OSM), it says Hurlingham Park as it is and all is good.
But on Andy's map on my GPS, it states that Camden Town is located right bang in the middle of the park, which is not true.
Hm, what is Camden Town? Is it an area feature whose rough middle might be there? If so, the GPS is probably just making interesting labelling choices (I think large areas have higher priority as they're more likely to be important).
...so just used google maps to confirm my memory :-[
Ooh - dodgy :hand:.
Easter Eggs abound. I live on one. Google maps says C***** Lane, whereas the nameplate at the end of the road says C***** Road. You can get found out like that.
Needs correcting, that! If the map is good now, then someone has probably done that already.Beaten t oit by Greenbank, thanks :)
What is now the best method to get OSM data for Garmin for different regions - and minimal effort?
Though your map (Andy) still marks the error and did on the last two versions. Where it have been correct on the OSM for a long time, as I'm sure that I would have spotted it when I have used OSM.
Off to USA in a couple of weeks.
What is now the best method to get OSM data for Garmin for different regions - and minimal effort?
Cheers.
Thanks for the link. I will have a go at this for France. One thing to be aware of: the page doesn't seem to like Mozilla Firefox - I searched everywhere for somewhere to enter an email address but it just wasn't there. When I started again with internet explorer another pair of windows appeared including Enter email address.Off to USA in a couple of weeks.
What is now the best method to get OSM data for Garmin for different regions - and minimal effort?
Cheers.
I used Worldwide routable Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) for maps of the Netherlands this weekend.
You select the tiles you want and get an email with them at some point depending how busy they are.
They send you 4 different configurations of the file
*Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows).
*Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
*Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img)
*A zip file just containing all the Garmin map tiles as selected on this website. This is useful for Linux users
I used the gmapsupp.img and just copied it into the device window.
It works fine for me in Firefox. Tick the box for enable tile selection, select some tiles, then the box to enter email address appears.Ah, thanks. I didn't try that. I just selected France and no email window appeared. Using IE, there was no problem with the email address, but I noticed the world map never reappeared and the whole thing was slower.
If you select one of the predefined countries, you don't need to enter an email address. There should be link for "Download map now!", so you can download it straight away.It works fine for me in Firefox. Tick the box for enable tile selection, select some tiles, then the box to enter email address appears.Ah, thanks. I didn't try that. I just selected France and no email window appeared. Using IE, there was no problem with the email address, but I noticed the world map never reappeared and the whole thing was slower.
Yes, you are right, there was. I just didn't persist for long enough. Plus the instruction said to enter your email address. The tiles do seem to have a gap or two having selected France. I'll have to look closely to see if this is an area I am likely to get to.If you select one of the predefined countries, you don't need to enter an email address. There should be link for "Download map now!", so you can download it straight away.It works fine for me in Firefox. Tick the box for enable tile selection, select some tiles, then the box to enter email address appears.Ah, thanks. I didn't try that. I just selected France and no email window appeared. Using IE, there was no problem with the email address, but I noticed the world map never reappeared and the whole thing was slower.
This should probably be explained a bit better on that web page. Also, some of the predefined countries seem to have tiles missing from them, so probably better to select the tiles manually anyway.
??? As far as I am aware it is either red, green, white or yellow!
Now, what on Earth is a violet navaid used for?
Exactly. But the Garmin icons include blue and purple.??? As far as I am aware it is either red, green, white or yellow!
Now, what on Earth is a violet navaid used for?
Exactly. But the Garmin icons include blue and purple.??? As far as I am aware it is either red, green, white or yellow!
Now, what on Earth is a violet navaid used for?
Or an easier option is to download a map from the worldwide routable page linked a couple of posts back. It includes an installer for MapSource (I assume it works for Training Center as well?).
If you download the file: OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE-Tiles.zip it includes the tdb file as well as the map tiles etc. So you can use it with MapSource, Training Center etc.
Plus, it's cool and it's an excuse to finally nail that fine-detail contour thing... ;)
The orienteering build of OSM, OpenOrienteeringMap, is here: OpenOrienteeringMap (http://oobrien.com/oom/) (in progress - no contours yet).
They might well be at the limit of useful resolution - if the elevation model is estimated between those points, then it'll draw contour lines around those estimations and that won't neccessarily be true or useful. They may still be pretty, just unreliable. Will have to play around.
Contours are now derived from a finer height grid. The 3 arcsecond * 3 arcsecond SRTM grid (about 60*90m at our Latitude) has been subdivided into 2 wide by 3 high (thus about 30m square) points, which are interpolated using a 36-point spline (i.e. taking account of the nearest 6*6 grid of SRTM datapoints). The resulting finer grid was then contoured as before (using 3DEM and DEM2TOPO). This gives 'rounder' contours, which take account of local gradients and gradient changes .. however small features will still be missing, since you can only 'round' what was seen to be there, not 'invent' things which were too small to get measured in the first place.
It's not as if the road has been deleted.... it's there in OSM, and it's there in Mapsource (which will quite happily route along it) - it just isnt visible on the screen.
I'll see if I can tweak the priority of that so that roads win.
I need to get more au fait with the various tools, and mechanisms used to create these maps.
I found various weirdnesses with Andy's Munky Maps when using the auto-routing from home to work. On Tooting Bec Common it seems to not recognise that there is a cycle maps there, and keeps on trying to send me down the roads several hundred feet off of the Common. On Clapham Common it repeatedly wants me to turn off of the cycle paths, onto footpaths. Along the side of Battersea Park it wants to send me on a long route through the park, rather than along the perfectly acceptable, and shorter, cycle path up the edge of Queenstown Road.
This isn't a criticism of Andy, who has done a fine job of something which I'm sure is full of subtle issues and complexities, but it would be nice to be able to sort out why these anomalies are happening. Looking at the mapping on OpenStreetMaps suggests that the various bits are identified correctly as cycle paths and foot paths, so there's probably some fine details which I don't understand which is responsible. :-\
It would eliminate one variable if, in Mapsource, you set the detail level to 'highest' instead of 'higher'.
I've noticed similar problems in Mapsource, and I don't use the Munky maps but my own build and style file - so I think it's more down to some more basic problem with the line and area attributes but I can't see anything in Potlach. And it's the same regardless of Mapsource version - I use 6.13.7 for preference but do have 6.16 installed as well - no difference.
I'm thinking of an area just SW of Bayeux (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.1857&lon=-0.8911&zoom=12&layers=M) where, in Mapsource, some sections of primary road disappear under areas of forest or orchard, while other sections of the same roads sit on top as they should.
There is something immensely gratifying about seeing paths and roads you have been meaning to map for ages appearing on the map. Especially when the pain in your legs wonders if it was worthwhile.
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On the return from the York Whitby ride yesterday, we went along several roads and bridleways which don't appear to exist on the OpenStreetMap database yet (or aren't on Andygates Munky Maps anyway). I think I'm going to have to get to grips with adding in GPX tracks.
On the return from the York Whitby ride yesterday, we went along several roads and bridleways which don't appear to exist on the OpenStreetMap database yet (or aren't on Andygates Munky Maps anyway). I think I'm going to have to get to grips with adding in GPX tracks.
Just do it.. The more people who do this, the better it will be.
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The ITOworld tool that shows ways by user is quite interesting.
Hmm. OT but - how long has Google Maps had an Edit facility?
I also assume at some point that Microsoft will incorporate data from OSM into Bing maps.
On the licence: OpenGeoData » The licence: where we are, where we’re going (http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html) is something I wrote almost three years ago to explain it all, but it still holds good today.
The vote on whether to start the process of moving to the new licence was held among OSM Foundation members (anyone can join, small fee) and passed with a big majority.
Google adds bike maps to Canadian Cities.
http://www.mcwetboy.net/maproom/2010/12/google_adds_bik.php (http://www.mcwetboy.net/maproom/2010/12/google_adds_bik.php)
... and the dotted green line indicates roads that do not have bike lanes but tend to be suitable for biking.
Thanks for that Andy, I've just looked at where I am in Norway, and I can see rivers and lakes (of which we have bunches) in Bing where I could not see them in Yahoo. Good for coastlines and islands too when in Slartybartfast mode. Another leap forward.
I've had a play with the Bing layer in P2 (hover over the OSM "Edit" tab to get choices of editor). Noice! :thumbsup:
One suggestion provoked from looking at the Colombia area, which has rough old large-scale imagery: in Yahoo, it gives the "We're sorry," grey tile when you zoom in past the image limit; in Bing it sits and sits and ... there's no feedback as to whether it is waiting, has failed, or has nothing.
Otherwise, very nice indeed.
Andy - I'll see what we can do about getting it to remember the simple/advanced pref; but until then you can press 'T' (for 'Tag panel') to switch between them. :)Yay! Fewer clicks! :thumbsup:
You can turn the basemap off.No, it went mental. ;D It probably would have done it if the poor Garmin had the brain to process all those millions of additional ways, and the route didn't involve the Severn bridges which make it all explode into gibs...
Menu>Menu>Setup>Map>Tab 5>Menu> Hide Basemap
(where 'Menu' is bottom left button)
Does that do it? I dunno.
Twas I who did the NCN map - I'll see if I can dig out the style file. I keep meaning to get round to compiling a new IMG...
Hokay, try this: http://www.systemeD.net/osm/cyclemap.zip . There's an RTF in there sort of explaining which styles are used for which type of track.
On the licence: OpenGeoData » The licence: where we are, where we’re going (http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html) is something I wrote almost three years ago to explain it all, but it still holds good today.
The vote on whether to start the process of moving to the new licence was held among OSM Foundation members (anyone can join, small fee) and passed with a big majority. What's happening now is that you have the option to sign up to the new licence voluntarily. Once this has gone on for a while, there'll probably be an exercise in which everyone who hasn't signed up is asked (by e-mail) to do so.
Thanks fuaran - I'd not seen the notice at the login page because of the "remember me" cookie.
I'd suggest that contributors need to proactively be given the option before their contributions are removed - I'd guess most are blissfully unaware.
Is there any auditing option in OSM that a contributor can use to monitor their updates for amendments by others?You can look at a way's history. That shows who made changes on what dates. The easiest way to do a quick check is to view the main map, hit the (+) and select the Data layer, select the item and click View History.
Is there any auditing option in OSM that a contributor can use to monitor their updates for amendments by others?The only similar thing I'm aware of is:
If you download the file: OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE-Tiles.zip it includes the tdb file as well as the map tiles etc. So you can use it with MapSource, Training Center etc.Please could you explain to a complete non technophile(in simple steps) how to load Andy's OSM Garmin Munky UKie Tiles.zip files into MapSource?I have got a Garmin 705 with SD card but would like to produce routes in Map Source with OSM instead of the basic map I've got in MapSource at present(I dont have any actual Garmin MapSource maps on DVD).If I can get OSM into MapSource please could someone explain how I can switch between Garmin NT City Europe on SD card and OSM using the Garmin 705?Do I have to load OSM on a seperate SD card,how do I set up Garmin map directory in Garmin?Any help much appreciated.
Or an easier option is to download a map from the worldwide routable page linked a couple of posts back. It includes an installer for MapSource (I assume it works for Training Center as well?).
Please could you explain to a complete non technophile(in simple steps) how to load Andy's OSM Garmin Munky UKie Tiles.zip files into MapSource?I have got a Garmin 705 with SD card but would like to produce routes in Map Source with OSM instead of the basic map I've got in MapSource at present(I dont have any actual Garmin MapSource maps on DVD).Any help much appreciated.
You could get the OSM map as a Mapsource installer from here, OSM Routable Maps (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) which is very easy - and still use Andy's map in the GPS - the Mapsource version may not look so pretty but the roads will be in the same place ...
I really should make a mapsource installer, shouldn't I?
You could get the OSM map as a Mapsource installer from here, OSM Routable Maps (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) which is very easy - and still use Andy's map in the GPS - the Mapsource version may not look so pretty but the roads will be in the same place ...
Thanks Frankly Frankie (try saying that rapidly after a few beers), I'm trying this now, the server is a-crunching, I am 5th in the queue......
You could get the OSM map as a Mapsource installer from here, OSM Routable Maps (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) which is very easy - and still use Andy's map in the GPS - the Mapsource version may not look so pretty but the roads will be in the same place ...I selected a custom set of tiles from Worldwide routable Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap,sent my email address and received a number of folders including a MapSource installer.I ran that and have now got the OSM map in MapSource.
Please could you explain to a complete non technophile(in simple steps) how to load Andy's OSM Garmin Munky UKie Tiles.zip files into MapSource?I have got a Garmin 705 with SD card but would like to produce routes in Map Source with OSM instead of the basic map I've got in MapSource at present(I dont have any actual Garmin MapSource maps on DVD).Any help much appreciated.
+1. Just got my Vista Hcx and want to do the same. The instructions up-thread here http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12998.msg555006#msg555006 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12998.msg555006#msg555006) didn't work for me. No errors, just didn't seem to do anything to MapSource at all.
I really should make a mapsource installer, shouldn't I?Andy,I'm trying to add Munky maps to OSM World Routable map I downloadedto Mapsource with an installer.I can unzip your gmapsupp.img files but puzzled that 4 img files all seem to have identical munky.typ file.Please could you explain?MapSetToolKit says I should create combined folder with OSM and Munky folders and also combined typ file with OSM and Munky information.How do I do that when don't know anything about OSM typ files?Finally where do TDB folders enter the picture?Any help much appreciated!
So I've never had to get dirty with OSM maps for garmin before, as my 705 came with all Europe maps (and when we went to S America last year OSM lacked much of the area we were going to).
Finally got around to installing N America maps though, now I need them. Couldn't have been easier: opened http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/ selected the -168 to -85 2GB torrent file, poped it on a blank SD card and went for a ride (http://app.strava.com/rides/18165141). Fantastic maps, look better than the garmin ones. I'm really impressed. I'd psyched myself up for more of a battle than that.
Hijack I know but does anybody have a link to a similarly useful up-to-date UK map please? :)