Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Freewheeling => Racing => Topic started by: Andydauddwr on 27 January, 2009, 05:58:48 pm
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I've just taken delivery of my
RTTC CTT handbook, having been feeling guilty about not having one last year.
Mersey Roads is listed as 25/26th July. So anybody planning that far ahead yet?
I'm in I think aiming to ride solo this time, although may need to ride a couple of Audaxes on the Stealth between now and then to find out if it's comfortable enough...
AC
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Mersey Roads is listed as 25/26th July. So anybody planning that far ahead yet?
Yup - I plan to be registering for LEL that day!
I plan another bash at the 24h, possibly next year (when there are no local 1200s, and I'm still youngish), just to see what I can do without illness. I can't imagine doing it 2 years on the bounce even without LEL. However, there may be an attack on my (pathetic) club record, which I would have liked to support.
Will your stoker be providing competition?
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2010 for me, if I remember.
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I'm torn.
Do I have another crack at the Mersey Roads and try not to end up hospitalised and on crutches for a fortnight this time, or do I enter the London triathlon and risk drowning?
I can't do both as the London tri is the weekend straight after the MR, and if I do the MR I shan't be in a fit state to do anything the next weekend.
I have to make my mind up by Friday.
Hmmmm.
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Do I have another crack at the Mersey Roads and try not to end up hospitalised and on crutches for a fortnight this time, or do I enter the London triathlon and risk drowning?
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I have to make my mind up by Friday.
Hmmmm.
Do LEL. Take it easy and don't end up on crutches. There is minimal risk of drowning
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Do I have another crack at the Mersey Roads and try not to end up hospitalised and on crutches for a fortnight this time, or do I enter the London triathlon and risk drowning?
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I have to make my mind up by Friday.
Hmmmm.
Do LEL. Take it easy and don't end up on crutches. There is minimal risk of drowning
yet didn't a newbie to Tri actually drown a couple of years ago as a result of getting knocked unconcious just before the transition? It always seems a real scrum at the waters edge.
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I havn't ridden the MR 24 hour since a nasty tandem incident (nasty in that I rode tandem for 24 hours!) several years back. Time for another go this year I think but solo.
Need to do some training though according to my wife so I'm off for a roller session now (or possibly to the pub to meet some clubmates)
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I've heard a rumour that East Sussex Cycling Association are running a 24 in 2011
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I'm in for this year too.
What do I need? Membership of CTT or just to be joined to a CTT affiliated club?
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I am thinking of doing this as preparation for a 24 hour race round the Bugatti circuit at Le Man in August. (24 heures vélo au Mans 2009 > cyclosportive velo VTT vélo route cyclosportif cyclisme circuit le mans 24H (http://www.24heuresvelo.fr))
As a total newbie to time trialing (not done any before) and 24 hour rides (not done any before) I am looking for advice(!)
I was directed to the 24hr Fellowship website, but can't get past the front page.
I thought that an Audax pace of 50 miles followed by a short break, would be a pace that I can follow. I have riden a 300km Audax which took 18.75 hours, and that was quite a relaxed pace.
Is there a resource of ride accounts, training regimes, and nutritional guidance you can guide me towards?
On the Mersey Roads, do most people go straight through without sleep breaks? Or is a power-nap advised?
Help much appreciated
Lycra Man
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I just can't ride for 24 hours straight (well, not without some serious drugs, anyway) so if I'm riding again this year, I'll be planning in a power nap. Last year I got about an hour and a half power nap as Liz was crocked and was having her legs rubbed the the fabulous and indomitable Annie. Seeing as the situation was well in hand, I took the opportunity to get some much-needed zeds...
Many riders seem to manage the whole no-sleep-till-the-bell thing, though. I don't know how they do it on just strong coffee and willpower. I think it's very much up to the individual. What I do know is that you should read every word that Teethgrinder has ever written on the subject of sleep and follow his advice to the letter. That man knows whereof he speaks.
Riding a 24 isn't that hard (hey, we managed it!) but I think turning in anything over 400 miles is where it gets challenging. If it's your first ride, just aim to stay on the bike for as long as you can and see what happens.
Oh - and drum up someone to support you and learn to eat and drink on the bike. That's going to save you sooooo much time.
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Loads of stuff about last year here,
Mersey 24 2008 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4255.0)
Damon.
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is a power-nap advised?
From (limited) experience of 300s to 600s :
I sometimes get to the end of a 300 without having to sleep, sometimes not. I can't plan ahead much, I have to stop when The Dozies strike, and 20 minutes is usually what it takes. Repeated, unpredictably, as necessary.
(Hoping to see you around, perhaps at the 24, if so my first TT also... I remember your fine company on part of the HoE, probably 2 years ago.)
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Hi TonyH,
Yes I remember the HoE as a particulary fine day out. Perhaps we'll meet at the Mersey Roads.
One or two procedural questions:
1. What kind of club must I be a member of? Does YACF count?
2. Where do I send the Entry Form (which I have downloaded and filled in?
3. Entry fee was £15 last year. Same again for 2009
Oh and I need a bike. Now you see, my trusty Ridgback Meteor flat bar road bike is not going to work for the 24 heures Velo at Le Mans, because bar ends are banned. And I cannot consider riding it without bar ends for more that an hour.
Sooooooo, I'm thinking I'll buy a racing bike.
<feels like he's betraying the ethos of versatilty that hybrids bestow>
If I do, it's main purpose is to propel me as fast as possible on a silky smooth motor racing circuit, free of potholes, cats eyes, lumps and bumps.
The Mersey Roads is a prudent curtain raiser/test ride, on (less smooth) public roads.
But I can't justify spending - say - £1000 on a bike that will not also be versatile enough to take me on Audax rides.
I don't want a pure bred TT bike (24 heures Velo does not allow tri bars) so does anyone have any suggestions for a bike with drops, compact double chainset, and skinny high pressure tyres, that afterwards will have clearance for mudguards and fittings for rack, and all my Audaxy stuff?
TIA
Lycra Man
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How about a Thorn Audax?
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so does anyone have any suggestions for a bike with drops, compact double chainset, and skinny high pressure tyres, that afterwards will have clearance for mudguards and fittings for rack, and all my Audaxy stuff?
Any Audax bike with mudguards and a rack. Just remove said items for the race.
Thorn Audax MK 3.
Aravis Audax/Hewitt Chiltern or Cheviott.
Dawes Audax (in various guises).
Van Nicholas Amazon/Yukon.
Condor Fratello (Steel) or Gran Fondo (Ti).
Mercian (custom or off the peg)
Roberts (custom or off the peg)
...etc...
Most audax bikes have wheels with rims that take 23-28mm tyres. Use slick 23mm for the 24 hour ride and replace with your favourite 25mm or 28mm for Audaxing.
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I'm currently reckoning on using my Audax bike (a Thorn) with rack and mudguards and all, for the 24.
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+1 for Condor Fratello,
It's served me AMAZINGLY well as an audax bike, winter bike, summer bike and TT bike. It's comfy (probably not as much as the Thorn or Titanium options), but has a killer kick from the bottom bracket, making it a fast ride if specced with half decent race wheels (I'm light and can get away with using 24 spoke wheels for audax).
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If I don't get in to LEL, I will do this instead. I will be on my Van Nic with 23mm tyres for either event. Guards on if LEL, guards off if MR. If I do MR I may well try TRI bars for the first time.
Watch this space....
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My girlfriend got me some clip on Tri bars for xmas. Wonderful woman....
I've been trying them out and I recon that it's gonna take quite a few miles to get comfy and used to the position.
When I've tried them, I played around and counted 10-11 different hand positions on my drop bars with clip on tri's. I'll definitely use them for longer audax events. LEL allows them as far as i know, so I'd definitely consider using them.
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veering abit off topic I know, but what is the audax line on using tribars?
When I first watched riders using them for long distance time trials I couldnt believe that they could hold that position for so long but if you get the position right with the extension quite long so the cups are nearer your elbow that wrist they are fantastic for riding 24 hours etc. Wouldn't be without them. Are they allowed for PBP? Anyone know?
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They are not allowed on PBP.
Damon.
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They are not allowed on PBP.
Damon.
not even if you ride in the wacky bike section?
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... nor even in the wacky baccy section.
Although they are allowed on just about every other Audax, it is Very Bad Form to use them in a group*, for good safety reasons.
I'd recommend anyone intending to use them in July to get practicing NOW. I bought mine in January, and was only just really comfortable on the Mersey. (I didn't use them uphill as a deliberate change of position. Or when eating.)
*(unless on the front doing all the work)
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Just did a 360k ride this weekend and although it was a bit lumpy around Clitheroe / Settle, I tried using the tri bars as much as possible.
I found out that the tri bars are comfy, but that my neck has to work harder to keep my head up. The back of my neck was getting tired after only 100k. Are there any exercises to help strengthen this or should I just get more hours in on the tri bars?
I also found that I could ride for 24 hours with minimal stops, and stay awake for 30 hours :thumbsup: without too much trouble. Only 2 attacks of the dozies and a couple of pro plus quickly sorted each of these out. The only issue now is the distance. This is the big thing for this year and I ideally want to aim for a 600k in the 24.
Any advice on a training plan? I need to sit down with a coffee and have a good look through the articles on http://www.ultracycling.com (http://www.ultracycling.com) they seem really good for this sort of competetive distance riding.
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Consider getting a coach? You can get one from £30 a month if you've got lots of money kicking around!
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there is no corect way to train for the 24.
traditionally training for ultra events seems to consist of riding lots and lots of miles. This on its own will allow you to ride for along time but not necesserally with a good high pace. Once you have a good level of fitness you need to push up your top speed and you wont achieve this with lots of long miles. For me, shorter distance time trialing or track racing seems a good way to push up the top speed. Interval training!
For the 24 hour, start with a higher average speed than you need to achieve a realistic goal. Try to hold average speed whilst understanding that it will gradually fall. Your actual speed will go up and down as you move round the circuits depending on wind direction.
Ride smoothly and consistantly without straining muscles too early and keep smiling
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there is no corect way to train for the 24.
Plenty of incorrect ways though!
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on a tandem for example
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Or in the pub. :)
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there is no corect way to train for the 24.
Plenty of incorrect ways though!
Roy Cormack, who held the Brittish record from 1969 to 1997 used to train by riding 25 miles flat out twice a day. Once in the morning and again in the afternoon. He only rode one or two long rides, which were about 200 miles, as part of his training.
Speed is very important for a good 24 hour ride.
I think that miles are good and help you learn how to get comfortable and how to ride for 24 hours.
But all the big hitters in the 24s are always fast at the shorter events too.
Andy Wilkinson (current record holder) held every Brittish record from 50 miles to 24 hours all at the same time.
Gethin Butler came from a background of racing.
If it was all about doing the miles, then I would do much better than I do now. The distance is no issue for me, but the speed is. But if I've done the miles and am not too tired at the start, I am usualy much faster than my closest matched riders on the finishing circuit. Miles are very good for your strength, but not great for your speed.
It's a matter of finding the balance. My scales are tipped heavily in favour of strength, but my speed is very poor. (PB for a 24 is 443, PB for a 25 is 1:03, but that was 16 years ago and I've lost some speed since then and I haven't ridden a TT shorter than 12 hours since 1995, except for a hill climb)
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The top riders have top support, they get lots of feedback, their support follows them round the course and they get fed regularly. It's unlikely that any support you could muster would be able to cope well with a 24 the first time out. They'd need to support you on a 100 and at least one 12 to get into the rhythm of it. Supporting a 24 is very much like a 12, but the problems ramp up at night, the rider has to recognise the support vehice and the rider has to be identifiable, this is usually done with a unique lighting arrangement, then there's the sleep deprivation.
Damon.
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So
anybody entered yet???
Just filled my entry form in and off to the post box now.
Better start doing some riding I suppose
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Not yet, it's on my todo.
I started ramping up the miles a few weeks ago, and am doing well. Got a bit of a heel issue but i seem to be ok riding through it.
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you've started training already?
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I don't think he's entered yet, but the guy I pinched the club record off is training for a rematch.
Luckily I have LEL as an excuse to not support him.
(n.b. he's about 100 years older than me. So a fair fight I'd say.)
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Does anyone know anything further about East Sussex CA's potential plans to hold a 24 in 2011, as mentioned by Martin earlier in this thread?
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So
anybody entered yet???
Just filled my entry form in and off to the post box now.
Better start doing some riding I suppose
Just put mine in the post. Better do some training now...
AC
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I had a word with Jose Pinon Shaw and he's started doing 100 mile rides at night to train for the hard bit. it's important to remember that main road riding is the best training for 24s, there's a tendency for Audaxes to be hilly and on lanes. When Audax first started there was a big crossover between 24s and Brevets, so to our eyes the early rides look flat and on dangerous roads, but the type of riding was very similar to the constant pace of a 24. Riding straight up the A6 to Carlisle from Southport and back via Cockermouth is the kind of thing that went out of fashion, but it was very relevant long TT training. The Daylight is also good.
Damon.
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Yep riding Southport (well crosby) --> Lancaster --> Southport is one of my planned training loops for a nice flat 100 miles.
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Is Jose riding it this year then?
I'd love to do some night training but I figure it's important to get lots of sleep before the event, that's sort of preperation if not training isn't it?
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Is Jose riding it this year then?
That's what he told me, but that was the plan last year, he even entered, but got carried away with 100s when he hit a string of form in them.
Damon.
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Is Jose riding it this year then?
That's what he told me, but that was the plan last year, he even entered, but got carried away with 100s when he hit a string of form in them.
Damon.
He's a hard b*stard. He always looks like he's trying too hard for the first 100 miles or so.
He'd do well to do better than he allready does!
I haven't entered.
Yet.
I don't think he's entered yet, but the guy I pinched the club record off is training for a rematch.
Luckily I have LEL as an excuse to not support him.
(n.b. he's about 100 years older than me. So a fair fight I'd say.)
Ian H?
Runs away... :D
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I would reply, but I'm ignoring this thread.
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One question about pacing. In a controlled environment, you'd be ideally putting in a constant effort and getting out a constant speed for 24 hours (ignoring general fatigue and loss of energy)
In the real world, should i be trying to maintain a constant speed (pushing a bit harder on hills and when the wind is less favourable, resting a bit on descents etc) or should i be focussing more on keeping a more constant level of power and HR??
What are peoples opinions?
Cheers
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In the real world, should i be trying to maintain a constant speed (pushing a bit harder on hills and when the wind is less favourable, resting a bit on descents etc) or should i be focussing more on keeping a more constant level of power and HR??
The latter.
(as a first approximation - we could debate the finer points ad nauseum - who'd like to start?)
You might want to consider how you'll go at night. If the dark slows you down, maybe build that into your schedule so you don't get demoralised. If it's hot, you may find you can go harder at night - YMMV. (I'm pretty sure everyone picks up as dawn makes itself known).
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In the real world, should i be trying to maintain a constant speed (pushing a bit harder on hills and when the wind is less favourable, resting a bit on descents etc) or should i be focussing more on keeping a more constant level of power and HR??
What are peoples opinions?
For shorter distance, go for option 1). for longer distance, I'd say go for 2). Having said that I got sufficiently bored in my last 12 that I started sprinting for sign posts!
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Cheers. I know it's not one policy or the other, but a mixture. Sticking to the latter will help ensure i can still ride many hours down the road, but loses you a little time.
I got sufficiently bored in my last 12 that I started sprinting for sign posts!
That was another question. Are MP3 players (in one ear) prohibited from TTs in the RTTC / CTT rules?? Was thinking i could catch up with some "In our time" podcasts whilst completeing the event ;) (well not quite, thinking of something with more uplifting, with some rhythm)
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That was another question. Are MP3 players (in one ear) prohibited from TTs in the RTTC / CTT rules?? Was thinking i could catch up with some "In our time" podcasts whilst completeing the event ;) (well not quite, thinking of something with more uplifting, with some rhythm)
mp3 players with headphones are banned (even in one ear). Not sure if lashing some speakers to the bike would be ok though. At least you could share the music/podcast with other riders. :)
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There is nothing in the CTT rules to prevent you carrying as many speakers, batteries and related paraphernalia on your bike in the 24,provided it is roadworthy and safe.If you want to have something stuck in your ear it will have to be a hearing aid and must convince me it is legit.
Chief time keeper and event controller,MRC24 (and occ health physician)
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In the real world, should i be trying to maintain a constant speed (pushing a bit harder on hills and when the wind is less favourable, resting a bit on descents etc) or should i be focussing more on keeping a more constant level of power and HR??
The latter.
(as a first approximation - we could debate the finer points ad nauseum - who'd like to start?)
You might want to consider how you'll go at night. If the dark slows you down, maybe build that into your schedule so you don't get demoralised. If it's hot, you may find you can go harder at night - YMMV. (I'm pretty sure everyone picks up as dawn makes itself known).
Yes, I'd ay the latter too. But beware that as the ride goes on, you can be putting in the same mental effort, but not the same physical effort.
I personaly aim to break the ride into 4 6 hour sections.* The first 6 hours, I try and relax as much as can, but keep my speed up without tiring myself. Then, it's well into the nigt section. How well I go at night will depend on hgow tired I was beore the rie and how much sleep I've had beforehand. I aim to try not to lose too much during the night.
Then in the next 6 hours, I try to up my game a bit mentally but not overcook it. Try and get bac up to speed, but again without tiring myself out.
Then the last 6 hours. Mentally I gradualy get more fired up as the time ticks on. It depends what I've got left in my legs and how feelas to what I can do, but on a good day, I'll be one of and sometimes the fastest on the finish circuit. I've had some slow finishes too though. The last hour can feel longer than the first 6 if I'm really going for it.
*Andy Wilkinson was helping a clubmate of his ride a few years ago and told them to break it down into 4 hour sections, so you may want to do as the record holder says. His clubmate did a pretty good ride. About 430 miles or so, I think.
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i dont break it down into periods of time. more sections between enforced stops.
so it`s , the start at a fair pace ,for the first 100 miles. then take stock and consolidate my pace up until dusk. quick 10 min stop , change bikes onto my night bike , some warm clothes and possibly a change of shoes if its wet. now i dont rekon to slow down on the night section, this is the point where you can make serious time on just about everybody else. keep it going and in terms of breaking the ride down into smaller sections , i`m looking for midnight. just becaus that means its sunday.
next thing is dawn, constantly looking towards the west for the first climpses of that bright orange glow.
probably also means ,you`ve been at it for about hlf the time. as soon as its safe to do so, i`ll stop for 10 mins ,back onto the tt bike ,stuff some food in your pockets ,with another 6 hour set, take me up to midday trying as much as possible to stay on the quinta brook circuit before they push you onto the finishing circuit.
quinta brook is much quicker and if that means riding flat out for 15/20 mins to make the turn ,before the cut off all the better. once onto the finishing circuit, i will concede to be beyond the point of careing. its just a case of ramming as much food into your mouth as possible, to keep those pedals turning.
although i may manage a last ditch surge between my last 2 time keepers.
with any luck ,thats t a point near the hq. one year managed to finish right outside. so it was a quick right turn ,to collapse in a heap on the grass. next problem is standing up to collect your medal.
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You must be in a state after the night since the dawn glow arises in the east over the Mersey24 course!
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Having read sub55's post its all coming flooding back to me.
Why have I entered again? I'm already feeling abit :sick: thinking about it.
Rode my first 100 in a very long time today (we are talking years here). Got along way to go in just a month or so.
Sub55 talks about changing bike to a night bike. I tried that and hated it. Really dont like swapping bikes after several hours on one even if the positions are nearly the same. I'll stick to one bike if possible but will have spare handy just in case.
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... take me up to midday trying as much as possible to stay on the quinta brook circuit before they push you onto the finishing circuit.
quinta brook is much quicker and if that means riding flat out for 15/20 mins to make the turn ,before the cut off all the better.
I never worked this out. How do you time this? Is there a fixed time when they send you north? (I guess you time yourself round the first lap of QB.)
( 2008 was probably a bad year for this, as I think they had to move things around on the day to accomodate a long vehicle transit around lunchtime. I think I was first onto the finishing circuit ; for some reason I didn't see another rider for bloody ages! )
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There are cut off times for the opening and closing of the Quinabrook circuits both on Sat evening and Sunday morning.This is primarily to ensure that marshalls and timekeepers are in place at the appropriate times, and to regroup all riders onto 12 miles of road. The A41 back to the finishing circuit is used intermittently for abnormal loads up till about 1100 hrs and on those occasions it may be necessary to use the Quinabrook circuit for an extra lap after the expected closure at 1015 at Wem Rd roundabout.The aim is to have all riders reaching the start of the finishing circuit well before riders finish from 1301 onwards.
I hope this clarifies the issue.
Chief timekeeper and event controller ( who tries to keep the event running whatever the problems related toweather,road closures or congestion)
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There are cut off times for the opening and closing of the Quinabrook circuits both on Sat evening and Sunday morning.
Thanks for the info guys, this is very useful - last year it was a bit of a mystery / blur in my first 24.
So, Sunday morning cut off is 10.15am - what about Saturday night? I'm sure that my performance on Quina Brook on Saturday evening was probably one of the areas where I could make a significant improvement (that and being ruthless about time off the bike).
Cheers.
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The intention is for all riders to turn south at Prees island after 2100 on Saturday.However the event controller may make an earlier exception for a slow rider to prevent him/her falling a long way behind the field.The same could apply to the Sunday morning cut offs to prevent a slow rider being last at Prees faced with either a long lonely ride to Battlefield and back,or to the finishing circuit.
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Just found this, with some other great piccies:
http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/products/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/norman-maggs-pipe-24hour.jpg
Classic Time Trial Photos | Cycling UK (http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/timetrials/classic-time-trial-photos/)
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There is nothing in the CTT rules to prevent you carrying as many speakers, batteries and related paraphernalia on your bike in the 24,provided it is roadworthy and safe.If you want to have something stuck in your ear it will have to be a hearing aid and must convince me it is legit.
Chief time keeper and event controller,MRC24 (and occ health physician)
That's funny. Could have sworn I saw a certain Scottish MR24 veteran with a small radio round his neck and an earpiece in his ear last year. Apparently he's known for it and never gets DQ'd.
Why do the rules forbid me from riding with an MP3 player, anyway? RAAM riders are allowed to, aren't they?
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Why do the rules forbid me from riding with an MP3 player, anyway? RAAM riders are allowed to, aren't they?
Most likely because they are rules within the CTT, which have to adhered to for CTT events.
CTT rules are all biased to daytime cycling and barely take night riding into consideration. Night riding is supposed to be avoided as much as possble for 12 hour TTs.
The highway code advises against using headphones/earphones while cyclng, so I guess it primarily comes from there.
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Speaking of rules, anybody know the party line on club clothing. I'm working away and don't have my handbook to hand. Specifically, if I ride as part of a club team, do I need to get a jersey?
Thx,
AC
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You can ride any jersey as long as it does not carry advertising other than of your club sponsor.It must also have at least quarter sleeves (i.e no sleeveless tri type tops).
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Charlotte ,if any rider is seen by an official to be contravening rules he/she will be warned and if persists will be dqd. We don't make the rules,just apply them as there is always an official representative of the National Committee present.I guess the rule on earpieces was introduced on safety grounds- bei g aware of other traffic etc..
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Anybody had an acknowledgement of their entry? Sent mine off a few weeks ago and have been checking my bank account regularly as I'd take the cheque being cashed as a de facto confirmation. Can't see anything online either - just having a minor fret as I've booked accomodation Friday and Sunday nights.
ps - any YACF-ers confirmed as supporting yet? It was a real morale booster last year to say hello at Prees.
Graeme W (Edinburgh Road Club).
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I'm not sure what support will be around from the forum as it's LEL weekend.
I'm not sure whether I've got a place yet, only sent off my entry in the nick of time. If I haven't I'll be there for support :)
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Anybody had an acknowledgement of their entry?
The entry's only just closed. They've got to work out the start list first.
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My wife and daughter will be support crew for me in a dark grey high top VW camper. If anyone needs help or kit they will help out if they can.
Got a YACF line up yet?
who's entered?
I'm off out for a night ride tonight to check out lights. Got fed up of daytime training on my Thursday day of work each week as the traffic is so bad round here on the flatter roads. Figured it would be abit less busy at 2am. Might be abit cooler too ;D
Re MP3's I've seen folks using them in previous years too. Just remember that they could ride for many hours and then be DQ'd
It's not worth the bother really. Just enjoy listening to your gears humming a happy tune.
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Phoned the organsier - entry received safely.
I'll post my number here once the start list has been finalised.
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ps - any YACF-ers confirmed as supporting yet? It was a real morale booster last year to say hello at Prees.
Mr Y, I'm told that I'm to be riding this on tandem with "a certain Scottish MR24 veteran", subject to him having sent our entries off in time.
The plan, so far, is that mrs eck will be on hand to offer comfort and succour (of a strictly limited nature :P) , along with Megajoules Expenditure of this parish, who will be supporting Mr DD. PM me if you think it might help to co-ordinate "stuff".
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Mr Y, I'm told that I'm to be riding this on tandem with "a certain Scottish MR24 veteran", subject to him having sent our entries off in time.
How ever did you fall for that one?
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Mr Y, I'm told that I'm to be riding this on tandem with "a certain Scottish MR24 veteran", subject to him having sent our entries off in time.
How ever did you fall for that one?
;D ;D
I know, I know, I saw it coming a mile off too...
Oh well, it will be an experience - for both of us. :D
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The start sheet is now up.
After not doing any CTT open event before, I was expecting to see my name in the top 20 listed. Cue horror, mixed with an aftertaste of relief when I noticed I wasn't there. Then I had some relief, with an aftertaste of horror, when i found my name in the 60s.
It's only 2 weeks away!! Crumbs..........
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Interesting, Howard Waller on a Tricycle, his mileage of 239.96 in last years's Icknield 12 points towards a possible new record, beyond the 457.89 miles set by E. Tremaine in 1972. The main competition seems to be between John Warnock and Jose Pinon Shaw. Our own Ian H also starts. The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Cycling Association has a six man team.
Damon.
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Interesting, Howard Waller on a Tricycle, his mileage of 239.96 in last years's Icknield 12 points towards a possible new record, beyond the 457.89 miles set by E. Tremaine in 1972. The main competition seems to be between John Warnock and Jose Pinon Shaw. Our own Ian H also starts. The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Cycling Association has a six man team.
Damon.
Howard Waler rode about 465 ish in 2006. So subtract the 10% for a trike and the record looks safe. On paper that is.
This will be my first ever no-show on a 24 since 1997 :o
I'm riding like a fat blob at the moment and have bugger all speed. I never summond up the enthusiasm to send off my entry.
I'll offer my services as a marshall. O:-)
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Speaking of rules, anybody know the party line on club clothing. I'm working away and don't have my handbook to hand. Specifically, if I ride as part of a club team, do I need to get a jersey?
Thx,
AC
In an event like a 3-up, all riders must wear the same jersey. If the only team aspect is combining final distances, then I think you can wear what you like (avoiding restrictions as already pointed out).
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In an event like a 3-up, all riders must wear the same jersey.
3 cyclists all wearing one jersey?
That must be very awkward. :o
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Re jerseys.See my previous post in this thread.
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Re jerseys.See my previous post in this thread.
Thanks. Thumbing through the wardrobe, it looks like the nasty AUK PBP top, as everything else has some level of advertising and my (y)acf tops are all l/sleeved...
AC
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Re jerseys.See my previous post in this thread.
Thanks. Thumbing through the wardrobe, it looks like the nasty AUK PBP top, as everything else has some level of advertising and my (y)acf tops are all l/sleeved...
AC
you`ve got a pair of scissors haven't you
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seen the start sheet now. Gulp.
Bettter get afew early nights I guess.
I'm off no 15. Afew places before you Andy. Give me a friendly push as you come past eh?
who else here is on the startsheet?
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who else here is on the startsheet?
No one to worry about.
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who else here is on the startsheet?
No one to worry about.
You're not wrong there, Ian H: McNasty and I are off at No 81. We are sponsored by Help The Aged. :thumbsup:
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who else here is on the startsheet?
No one to worry about.
Not worrying, jut like to be sociable when out riding ;D
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I'm off at 61, just after 2pm. In my club kit......
(http://www.kudubikes.co.uk/shop/images/links/107.jpg)
Not got any full time support lined up yet. I was hoping I could pass a plastic box (food) and a bag (clothes) to some other yacf affiliated support crew to take down to prees island for me.
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Not worrying, jut like to be sociable when out riding ;D
Being overly sociable during the event might get you disqualified.
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I'm off at 61, just after 2pm.
Not got any full time support lined up yet. I was hoping I could pass a plastic box (food) and a bag (clothes) to some other yacf affiliated support crew to take down to prees island for me.
They take your stuff down to Prees from the start, and take it back to the headquarters at the end. There isn't any compelling reason to have support at Prees, as there is a feed station there. Early on the best place to support is the Roundabout at the junction of the A53 and the A442 as the feed station there does not start to operate until later. Standing there enables you to service your rider both out and back, if they need more water they can stop at Prees. The garage at Tern Island has a water tap you can use. If your support is mobile or numerous, a good spot is the rise Northbound on the A41 where riders slow enough for you to hand up a bottle.
Damon.
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I'm off at 61, just after 2pm.
Not got any full time support lined up yet. I was hoping I could pass a plastic box (food) and a bag (clothes) to some other yacf affiliated support crew to take down to prees island for me.
They take your stuff down to Prees from the start, and take it back to the headquarters at the end. There isn't any compelling reason to have support at Prees, as there is a feed station there. Early on the best place to support is the Roundabout at the junction of the A53 and the A442 as the feed station there does not start to operate until later. Standing there enables you to service your rider both out and back, if they need more water they can stop at Prees. The garage at Tern Island has a water tap you can use. If your support is mobile or numerous, a good spot is the rise Northbound on the A41 where riders slow enough for you to hand up a bottle.
Damon.
Really useful info. (Should be in a M24h FAQ ! ) Stuff you can't know without riding (or supporting I suppose.)
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Thanks Damon,
received the MR24 handbook yesterday through the post. I'll need to look at it more thoroughly, but it seems none of that is mentioned!
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Thanks Damon,
received the MR24 handbook yesterday through the post. I'll need to look at it more thoroughly, but it seems none of that is mentioned!
in the riders instructions it says that night cloths and lights can be handed in to the signing on steward to be taken o prees island for the rider.
If you want kit, food, drinks etc taking down there, my wife will ferry things down there for you. She will be asleep during the night but can leave your kit next to my milk crate of bottles t preese. Look out for the dark grey high top camper van in the car park at farndon before the start and ask for richard if you want.
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Not worrying, jut like to be sociable when out riding ;D
Being overly sociable during the event might get you disqualified.
Ian, you sound as miserable as your photo looks!
I think that the chances of being dq'd for saying hello or giving someone some encouragement as you/they pass is roughly zero.
You got somethin againsed me? you seem very critical of my comments.
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I think that the chances of being dq'd for saying hello or giving someone some encouragement as you/they pass is roughly zero.
Creeping up behind them in the middle of the night and yelling at the top of your lungs:
"GO FASTER"
might annoy some people though! ;)
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I think that the chances of being dq'd for saying hello or giving someone some encouragement as you/they pass is roughly zero.
Creeping up behind them in the middle of the night and yelling at the top of your lungs:
"GO FASTER"
might annoy some people though! ;)
not quite what I had in mind
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Not worrying, jut like to be sociable when out riding ;D
Being overly sociable during the event might get you disqualified.
Ian, you sound as miserable as your photo looks!
I think that the chances of being dq'd for saying hello or giving someone some encouragement as you/they pass is roughly zero.
You got somethin againsed me? you seem very critical of my comments.
Nothing at all. It was just an oblique reference to the prohibition on 'taking pace'.
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Being overly sociable during the event might get you disqualified.
Ian, you sound as miserable as your photo looks!
That's a picture of Ian smiling!
[saints preserve us from chatty cyclists]
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I've been conned! Who else knew that a 24 wasn't slightly shorter than a 25?
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FFS, isn't it? ???
I'd been hoping to get near the hour for my first 24. :-[
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I've been conned! Who else knew that a 24 wasn't slightly shorter than a 25?
Weeeelllll,
if you ride reeeeaaally sloooowllly, it could be.
(dozes off zzzz....)
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Being overly sociable during the event might get you disqualified.
Ian, you sound as miserable as your photo looks!
That's a picture of Ian smiling!
[saints preserve us from chatty cyclists]
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It took a moment...
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Think I'm mostly sorted now. I have a day bike and a night bike, have been test-riding the day config today (was a quick commute) and hope to wrap up the night config shortly. The sight of a planet-x with a Brooks is a little odd but still...
The remaining conundrum is do I bother with my aero helmet? I'd never wear one for safety, but do the panel think it's worth anything in terms of aerodynamics. Hoping to hold a tuck for the first 8 and the last 8 hours, with something a little more comfortable for the nighte state.
AC
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Think I'm mostly sorted now. I have a day bike and a night bike, have been test-riding the day config today (was a quick commute) and hope to wrap up the night config shortly. The sight of a planet-x with a Brooks is a little odd but still...
Nik thingy (gardiner?) rode the same genuine road-bike (with tribars) for all 24hours last year (and I suspect, on previous 500mile+ rides)
The remaining conundrum is do I bother with my aero helmet? I'd never wear one for safety, but do the panel think it's worth anything in terms of aerodynamics. Hoping to hold a tuck for the first 8 and the last 8 hours, with something a little more comfortable for the nighte state.
Don't think a tuck is relevant - it'll help as long as you're not looking at your downtube [remember LeMond?!?]
I think the 'panel' here said they are the best VFM gain after tri-bars.
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Is the pointy hat balanced enough to help avoid getting Shermer's Neck? Have you worn it for prolonged periods before?
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Is the pointy hat balanced enough to help avoid getting Shermer's Neck? Have you worn it for prolonged periods before?
That's a fair point, and I'd say never for more than a couple of hours before. I guess I could always bin it part way, or is it the case that by the time you know of the problem it's too late?
Thanks,
AC
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Is the pointy hat balanced enough to help avoid getting Shermer's Neck? Have you worn it for prolonged periods before?
Put some plasticine in the tail to weight it. ;)
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The remaining conundrum is do I bother with my aero helmet? I'd never wear one for safety, but do the panel think it's worth anything in terms of aerodynamics. Hoping to hold a tuck for the first 8 and the last 8 hours, with something a little more comfortable for the nighte state.
How fast are you planning on going? Anything shy of 18mph and I wouldn't bother.
That's a fair point, and I'd say never for more than a couple of hours before. I guess I could always bin it part way, or is it the case that by the time you know of the problem it's too late?
Probably, yes!
Don't think a tuck is relevant - it'll help as long as you're not looking at your downtube [remember LeMond?!?]
Although, strangely, some people claim to test better pointy bit up than looking ahead.
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I shall be wearing my special CTC Devon cotton cap. It's aero if I turn the peak to the back.
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How fast are you planning on going? Anything shy of 18mph and I wouldn't bother.
I'm hoping 20mph ish.
That's a fair point, and I'd say never for more than a couple of hours before. I guess I could always bin it part way, or is it the case that by the time you know of the problem it's too late?
Probably, yes!
OK, think discretion is the better part of valour in that case. ACF cap it is...
Thanks,
AC
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I shall be wearing my special CTC Devon cotton cap. It's aero if I turn the peak to the back.
I've just had a haircut.
Don't suppose McNasty has, though. ::-) ;D
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480 ish?
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480 ish?
That sounds a bit like a tease.
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Think I'm mostly sorted now. I have a day bike and a night bike, have been test-riding the day config today (was a quick commute) and hope to wrap up the night config shortly. The sight of a planet-x with a Brooks is a little odd but still...
The remaining conundrum is do I bother with my aero helmet? I'd never wear one for safety, but do the panel think it's worth anything in terms of aerodynamics. Hoping to hold a tuck for the first 8 and the last 8 hours, with something a little more comfortable for the nighte state.
AC
You'll be familiar with this video Mersey Roads 24 Hour Time Trial 2008. on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/1422942) observe that leading riders who started with Aero helmets ditched them at various times. That's down to their helpers, the helpers should monitor average speed times and if it is falling in hot weather and the rider is drifting, take action to encourage hydration. A good support team knows why the rider is slowing down and takes action to counter it.
Damon.
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I shall be wearing my special CTC Devon cotton cap. It's aero if I turn the peak to the back.
I've just had a haircut.
Don't suppose McNasty has, though. ::-) ;D
The haircut is clearly more important for the rider on the front, as there'll be a greater effect on wind resistance.
Good luck for the weekend Eck, but remember it is really important to keep on the coffee or whatever and stay wide-awake. I don't want you getting the dozies, getting off for a wee break in the middle of the night and forgetting that it's not Ali on the back. A quick kiss & cuddle with your stoker wouldn't do you any good :hand: :sick:
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...A quick kiss & cuddle with your stoker wouldn't do you any good :hand: :sick:
Now there's a nightmare - you're sprinting to outrun the demon...but he's unshakably on your tail, inches behind you.
I reckon the Scottish tandemists might do a good distance.
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never having been areo enough to worry about the shape of my helmet I dont know the ins and outs of aero helmets but I would have thought that if it is windy (as predicted for Sunday) then even at sub 18mph speeds if riding into the wind an aero helmet will give an advantage.
Good luck to all who are riding.
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480 ish?
I'm hoping 20mph ish.
I found that my 'typical' speed was much higher than my average speed!
(riders who reduce their stationary time down to Gardiner-esque seconds will be different)
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...A quick kiss & cuddle with your stoker wouldn't do you any good :hand: :sick:
Now there's a nightmare - you're sprinting to outrun the demon...but he's unshakably on your tail, inches behind you.
:demon: :o
I reckon the Scottish tandemists might do a good distance.
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Well, with the thought of McNasty wanting a quick kiss and cuddle, what more incentive would a chap need? ;D
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...A quick kiss & cuddle with your stoker wouldn't do you any good :hand: :sick:
Now there's a nightmare - you're sprinting to outrun the demon...but he's unshakably on your tail, inches behind you.
:demon: :o
I reckon the Scottish tandemists might do a good distance.
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Well, with the thought of McNasty wanting a quick kiss and cuddle, what more incentive would a chap need? ;D
I'll keep an eye out to make sure that doesnt happen (or if it does will try to get a photo).
Its all getting a bit like the episode of Still Game when it was rumoured that Jack & Victor were in a loving relationship........
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There's no mention of signing on times or a general rider briefing.
I'm off at 14.01, so was hoping to get there 10 mins before 1st rider is off. Does anyone know if this will be ok?
Cheers
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480 ish?
No, I think that's over-optimistic. The 20mph ref was to typical running speed on the daylight bit. I'd be stoked to make anything over 400...
AC
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There's no mention of signing on times or a general rider briefing.
I'm off at 14.01, so was hoping to get there 10 mins before 1st rider is off. Does anyone know if this will be ok?
Cheers
It was all pretty relaxed and informal last year at the start (my first), just a case of signing on, collecting your race numbers plus a goody bag with a few freebies in.
I'm sure 1 hr + before your start time would be fine.
See you tomorrow.
Graeme (# 24).
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I usualy aim for at least an hour, but usualy arrive 2 hours before I'm off. But I have to remove panniers and get organised too.
You only have to sign the start sheet, collect your numbers and putthem on. An hour before is about right.
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No updates from the 24 yet? Looked like fairly grim weather for it.
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No updates from the 24 yet? Looked like fairly grim weather for it.
Didn't go as well as I'd hoped, but did manage to see it through for ~350 miles.
Ian H seemed to be going very well out there.
The Eck/McNasty duet seemed to get better as time went on.
I didn't really recognise any other yacfers, but that could well be my bad.
I thought the navy team looked very solid. As it was, we didn't offer them any competition as one of our team was a no show...
AC
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80 John Warnock Twickenham CC 497.122 261 04:15:07 36 90.7%
60 Sean Childs RNRMCA 492.412 255 04:14:07 38 93.0%
53 Robin Haigh Seamons CC 475.747 250 04:30:29 51 C WIN 90.0%
35 Brian Walker Team Swift 474.413 247 04:32:50 36 92.4%
63 Graham Jones Edinburgh RC V 466.200 240 04:39:50 44 A WIN 94.1%
58 Garry Drew RNRMCA 461.624 250 04:25:29 44 A 84.9%
10 Neil Barford A45 Road Club 455.487 238 04:52:50 44 A 91.5%
50 Karl Austin Congleton CC V 443.057 238 04:31:46 45 B WIN 86.5%
25 Stuart Edwards RNRMCA 432.648 236 04:38:11 44 A 83.0%
55 Ken Roesner Kings Lynn CC 431.743 238 04:39:33 49 B 81.3%
15 Richard Thoday Matlock CC 427.661 229 04:59:58 42 A 86.5%
23 Marina Bloom Rugby RCC WV 424.762 219 05:10:58 42 A 93.6%
30 Stewart Wilson Roy Pink Cycles RT 421.266 223 04:48:54 41 A 89.1%
46 Graeme Raeburn Rapha Condor 416.491 227 04:49:37 29 83.7%
9 Peter Turner Derby Mercury RC V 414.315 224 05:05:45 51 C 85.2%
34 Ben Fielden a3CRG V 414.107 223 04:57:37 67 F WIN 85.7%
29 Ian Hennessey Exeter Wheelers CC 412.481 223 04:52:24 56 D WIN 84.6%
76 Roger Squire Fibrax Wrexham RC 409.509 209 04:55:20 40 A 96.4%
82 Colin Knapp & Ruth Crossley Middridge CRT/VTTA North Tand 403.517 231 04:39:11 0 74.9%
38 Edgar Reynolds Congleton CC V 402.724 206 05:26:58 61 E WIN 95.9%
8 Bob Richards RNRMCA 399.013 216 04:58:20 51 C 84.6%
18 Theresa Taylor Teamwallis CHH W 397.301 221 04:55:58 49 B 80.1%
67 Ashley Holmes Deal Tri 391.164 218 04:39:42 25 79.6%
27 Edward Malarczyk Cwmcarn Paragon CC 388.996 217 05:27:58 58 D 79.0%
41 Ray Retter North Devon Wheelers V 387.498 214 06:00:50 63 E 81.2%
31 Robert Meredith Walsall RCC V 386.683 211 05:11:20 61 E 83.3%
48 Stephen Dart Mid Devon CC 385.647 212 05:08:16 38 82.2%
21 Andrew Cox Cardiff Byways RCC 384.028 210 05:21:02 29 82.9%
51 John Connaghan Edinburgh RC V 374.108 196 05:20:02 48 B 90.5%
32 Jason Sawyer RNRMCA 373.786 218 04:51:58 40 A 71.8%
72 Darren Berrisford Lyme RC V 373.446 193 05:40:41 40 A 93.8%
5 Malcolm Matcham VC Venta V 372.974 209 05:25:02 51 C 78.8%
81 George Berwick & Alex Pattison Edinburgh RC/Angus Bike Chain Tand 371.310 202 05:16:58 0 83.7%
1 Geraint Catherall Anfield BC 369.938 195 05:32:24 35 90.0%
37 Robert Watson North Hampshire RC V 369.315 203 05:34:20 49 B 82.3%
73 David Lewis Cardiff Byways RCC V 365.713 196 05:03:33 53 C 86.7%
2 Jim Hopper Derby Mercury RC Tri 360.887 189 05:40:23 65 F 91.2%
42 Simon Yates Lewes Wanderers CC 356.785 204 05:18:20 57 D 75.1%
62 Phil Holden Seamons CC V 352.372 199 05:17:06 62 E 77.5%
36 Clayton Knight Shaftesbury CC V 350.540 214 04:57:58 48 B 63.8%
24 Graeme Wyllie Edinburgh RC V 350.282 197 05:17:37 44 A 78.2%
74 John Hassall South Pennine RC 349.537 180 05:52:28 64 E 94.2%
7 Jonathan Gateley HQ Club 348.961 186 06:03:49 29 87.6%
22 Richard McTaggart Gala CC V 348.434 172 05:49:22 69 F 102.4%
52 Kevin Jeffs Coventry CC 339.461 212 05:20:32 46 B 60.1%
49 Brian Kilgannon RNRMCA V 337.580 195 05:21:58 55 D 72.8%
56 Steve Rush Tri-Anglia V 335.611 181 05:49:09 45 B 85.3%
43 Simon Scott Lyme RC 333.680 193 05:26:27 40 A 72.6%
44 Andrew Carpenter CSSH 326.889 198 05:26:11 40 A 65.2%
17 Peter Harridge Icknield RC V 316.576 215 05:24:33 53 C 47.4%
54 Andrew Howett Sleaford Wheelers 316.320 182 05:03:20 27 74.3%
16 Louise Clowes Lyme RC W 310.772 188 05:49:09 35 65.6%
11 Dave Stokes Musselburgh RCC Tri 302.019 160 07:18:45 65 F 88.9%
64 Ian Kellaway Coventry CC V 296.967 160 06:11:45 49 B 85.2%
4 Joe Applegarth Houghton CC 294.737 170 05:53:24 69 F 73.2%
14 Hilary Bell Ribble Valley CRC W 277.422 148 07:30:43 46 B 87.8%
* NOTE: 12 hour distances and 100 mile times are approximate and determined by interpolation between time checks
** The % shows the second 12hr distance as a % of the first.
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No updates from the 24 yet? Looked like fairly grim weather for it.
Didn't go as well as I'd hoped, but did manage to see it through for ~350 miles.
Ian H seemed to be going very well out there.
AC
Just got home. Having difficulty with climbing steps and getting in or out of chairs. I amused myself on the ride by shouting insults at passing Scotsmen (and was rewarded afterwards with a big wet kiss from Mr Megajoules). The timekeeper reckoned 412 miles. I'm amazed that he could tell me given the complications of the various repeated bits of the course. In fact the whole organisation is hugely impressive.
A big thank-you to my helpers: Sarah, Robin, Elly and Elaine.
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Congrats to you all, you nutters!
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21 Andrew Cox Cardiff Byways RCC 384.028 210 05:21:02 29 82.9%
I guess I mis-counted. :thumbsup:
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Took a ride up to Prees to watch the event on Saturday and riding the section from Shawbirch (Telford) then back again over the same roads later.
Although the organisation was first class as usual, I was absolutely appalled at the way some motorists were driving. The worst that I saw was someone driving on the wrong side of a section of traffic calming central verges and almost forcing a rider off the road travelling in the opposite direction.
Other motorists were coming past riders far too closely.
I couldnt wait to get off this section of road at Shawbirch by which time I was beginning to feel like a nervous wreck!
I would suggest that perhaps the organisers could put a couple of official observers in place to take the vehicle registration numbers of offending motorists and pass them on to the police as soon as possible in future.
I was contemplating riding this event next year, but im not too sure that I want to now.
I just hope everyone survived alright.
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Hi Jethro,
Thought I saw you out there, but my recognition was a bit delayed. I wouldn't say that I had many memorable brushes with motorists. The worst bit was probably coming back to the finishing circuit on the A41 where I got cut up at one of the roundabouts, but it was easy to anticipate. My only other brushes were a few artics that passed closer than I'd have liked and some beeping chavs (maybe my fault for wearing Byways pink). Due to the spread out nature of the field though, it may well be that others had a very experience.
AC
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During the day was a bit hairy. A couple of trucks were pretty bad. At night though, most of the traffic was support vehicles, and with some sleepy riders weaving across the lane in the wee hours, it was a good thing.
I started off great, 100 miles in 5h40m, 200miles at 12hrs, 400km in 16 hrs, then suddenly limping along at 10-11mph......
Had an hour off the bike and ate, then went out again. Speed was still ~10mph over the next hour. My legs felt fine, I had eaten enough, I just couldn't make my legs push the pedals. My heart rate was < 100.
Being unsupported and it raining, it was too easy to DNF and not ride through it. Great ride Andy and Ian. And thanks so much to RT and family for looking after my stuff, and an awesome distance too.
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A few photos here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8302062@N04/sets/72157621731676139/).
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...The worst that I saw was someone driving on the wrong side of a section of traffic calming central verges and almost forcing a rider off the road travelling in the opposite direction...
That was me. It looked worse than it was. The car slowed, the driver waved an apology. I yelled 'prat!', probably unecessarily. Other than that there was nothing out of the ordinary.
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Just got home.
Like Disrail, I started off great, first 6 hours was a dream and I had to tell myself not to push too hard. 2nd quarter I messed about too much off the bike (lights leggings etc for night time), 3rd quarter I was putting the same effort in as the first six hours when I was milling it but the bike computer told another story - that I was treading water at about 12mph. Sore neck meant I wasnt using the aero bars as much as I should have been towards the end. Lost heart a bit about 19 hours when I realised that the average speed required in the remaining time to cover 600k was 25kph then 26kph, 27kph, 28kph........and then it got really wet and blustery.
Traffic wasn't a worry for me at any stage even on the A41 heading up to the finish.
Superbly organised event from the most friendly bunch and great value at £15.
I'll be back for more next year.
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what fun!
thanks Blackburnrod for the results and all the hard work that it takes to get them. Much appreciated
Could we have more sunshine and less rain next year please?
Good result Ian, and an age cat win too. Well done.
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Good result Ian, and an age cat win too. Well done.
Oh! We had to leave early because Sarah's younger one had gone down with chicken-pox. However, I'd be more impressed with Ben Feilden's ride.
But, thanks. You did pretty well yourself.
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have been practicing riding at 20 mph
dead pleased with my 100 time 4.59.58 almost bang on!
maybe if I practice riding at 25 mph and keep it going for the whole race.......................
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Found this from Charlotte's report of last year's 24:
We caught up with McNasty soon enough. .. To describe his style as smooth would be to lie horribly, though. His pedaling style produced a sort of lurching wobble on each revolution .
Having just had The Man Himself as my tandem stoker on this year's event, my feet hurt, my ar$e hurts, but my god so do my arms and shoulders from trying to keep the machine pointing vaguely in the right direction! It wasn't always a "lurching wobble" as Charlotte says, sometimes he kept me amused by changing into a wobbling lurch.
Charlotte also said of McNasty: Although he was a force to be reckoned with in his day, he's very much the tortoise to the fast boys' hares in the MR24 nowadays.
True enough, compared to some of the younger riders, but he is still strong enough to push me round for a provisional 371 miles. Given our average age would entitle us to the Old Age Pension, I'm quite happy with how it turned out.
This was my first TT and I didn't really know what to expect. As one of only two tandem crews, our grip on the Silver Medal tightened when the other crew caught us for a minute within the first three miles. Oh well, at that point I decided we were going to be lanterne rouge, so I just settled into a "let's get on with this" mode. It gradually dawned on me that it didn't matter how hard we rode, we weren't going to finish until 14.21 on Sunday. McNasty, to be fair, was a great riding companion and it occurred to me that this must be a very lonely ride on a solo. He never complained or disagreed once: Me, "George, should we stop this time round?" George, "Aye, if ye want." Me, "George, will we just batter on this time round?" George, "Aye, if ye want." Me, "George, I'm going to drop it to the middle ring now." George, "Aye, if ye want." etc etc
We seemed to be lucky that neither of had a bad patch or suffered any visits from Mr Sleepy. We were supported fantastically well by Mrs eck and Megajoules, so a huge Thank You to both of them. And Chapeau to Mr Megajoules for riding through a bad first half and finishing strongly. If I'm interpreting the results correctly, he was the only rider who rode further in the second 12 hours than in the first.
Given that we'd had only three pre-nuptial trial rides together, totalling no more than 150 miles, McNasty and I seemed to get away with it. Slightly disappointed that our distance is less than 3k short of 600 - our computer showed 608k after 24 hours but, hey ho.
I don't remember any problems with traffic, certainly no deliberate aggression. The marshalling and encouragement on the road were fantastic. The sight of riders approaching in the night was quite awesome, especially when two or three were close together - more like a scene from Star Wars. The weather wasn't too dreadful - the rain didn't start until daylight on Sunday, and only lasted about three or four hours.
Didn't meet as many audax types as I expected, but it was good to have a quick chat with Ian H, and to meet our pals from the Emerald Isle.
Yes, still a bit tender today, but I'm glad I gave it a go. So, George, 600k next year? ;) :-*
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...So, George, 600k next year? ;) :-*
I assume the answer will be-
"Aye, if ye want."
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/3761774588_25701aa665.jpg)
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There is a CD available of photos of all riders and various marshalls for £2 inc P+P.Contact David-goodfellow@tiscali.co.uk
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There is a CD available of photos of all riders and various marshalls for £2 inc P+P.Contact David-goodfellow@tiscali.co.uk
Address doesn't work.
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Try this: David_goodfellow@tiscali.co.uk (Pasted from my contacts and worked 2 days ago!)
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I would suggest that perhaps the organisers could put a couple of official observers in place to take the vehicle registration numbers of offending motorists and pass them on to the police as soon as possible in future.
Maybe you'd like to volunteer?
There are only just enough people to marshall the event and it's always a struggle to find even the bare minimum. Until there are enough marshalls to run the event comfortably, then I think it will be some time before we have enough people to act as observers.
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The timekeeper reckoned 412 miles. I'm amazed that he could tell me given the complications of the various repeated bits of the course. In fact the whole organisation is hugely impressive.
They've been doing it for years and have a good system going. I've ridden a dozen Mersey 24s and still am impressed by how well organised it all is.
However, I'd be more impressed with Ben Feilden's ride.
Was Ben Feilden the one with the bad arm/shoulder?
I thought that Sean Childs ride was impressive. He looked a bit more solid than John Warnock and had a bit more left on the finish circuit. John Warnock rode a good ride and recovered very well from a bit of a slow patch (slow for him anyway) in the small hours.
I wouldn't be surprized to see Sean cack 500 miles if he rides next year. Maybe if John Warnock rides again too we will have the first 24 hour to have 2 riders ride over 500 miles? John Warnock get faster every year by a few miles, just as Nik Gadiner did.
I though that Louise Clowes (no. 16) was very impressive too. She had a very bad night and I saw her set off from Epperly feed station with about 6-8 hours to go. She looked very tired and was very uncomfortable and she did very well to keep going but mainained an excellent riding style.
Talking of riding styles, no. 66, a 22 year old Jonathan Shubert looked as good as Wilko even if not as fast. But it wasn't enough to get him to the finishing circuit.
Mc Nasty looked like a different rider on the back of the tandem. Maybe ridng on a tandem with Eck is meat to be.
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Was Ben Feilden the one with the bad arm/shoulder?
He was the only older than me to go further. 11 yrs older.
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Mc Nasty looked like a different rider on the back of the tandem. Maybe ridng on a tandem with Eck is meat to be.
:hand: :-X
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100s of photos here: http://www.kimroyphotography.com/gallery/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=22734 (http://www.kimroyphotography.com/gallery/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=22734). Maybe these are the official ones?
They are in alphabetical order of riders' names.