I intend to ride.
I wonder whether anyone will be the first to ride it on aFestgangradStarrnabe?
Is the hilly bit really hilly? Salvatore.
You have to go to Baden-Württemberg for Schwarzwaldetorte, don't you?"but what about my Kronenberg"
5 am start (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/207).I reckon this is doable with 3 sleep stops at 460k, 936k and 1312km giving a short final day ride of 188km. I fancy this one. :thumbsup:
I was definitely ready for sleep when I arrived at Ditfurt (460 km).
Last time (http://docs.google.com/View?id=dr7p4tj_37cbjnpf29) there were 5 possible sleep stops:
Difurt (near Quedlinburg, 460 km) - local history museum
Messinghausen (near Brilon, 737 km) - shooting club
Rösrath ( the Köln turn, 936 km) - stately home, basement thereof
Messinghausen again (1116 km)
Lindern (1312 km) - fire station
I managed to arrive at the first four in darkness, so they were well placed for me.
Probably different arrangements next time, we'll probably learn more in November.
There are other local specialities in other parts of the route ;)
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.
Russ, I completely agree. But let's not derail this topic - it's a handy reference thread (so far .... ) There are other threads that discuss it, or feel free to start your own thread!
I think it's instructive that the 24h TT starts midday-ish. Whereas most 400ks start at 6am - daft.
I find the dawn start times tend to work for faster riders; they can cover max miles before the first sunset, and can often arrange things so they finish in daylight.
I've printed off the info, but (forgive me for being thick if it's in there somewhere) I can't see a date for this.
14. bis 19. August 2010
Start: Sa. den 14.08.2010 um 5:00 Uhr
I'd have liked to know basic details about this a few months ago.
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.
This touches on a subject that really bugs me - why do long audaxes start at stupid times? If you are going to be on a bike for upwards of 24hours why not start at a reasonable time? At the end you will be that tired that it dosen't matter what time you finish. I think particularly of 600's which insist on starting at 6am. *am would be far better.
A 5am start for a ride like this is pointless.
Don't think anyone would object if you set off @ 8.00am. With a time limit like this most people can afford to lose a few hours from the overall allowance and still have plenty of time in hand.
I don't think you can guarantee the start control being open for 3 hours.A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.
Don't think anyone would object if you set off @ 8.00am. With a time limit like this most people can afford to lose a few hours from the overall allowance and still have plenty of time in hand.
That may well be what I do if I do it.
Good
I do see Ivo's point about groups in the early stages but don't think it matters on a ride of this length unless you are going for a "time". Over a six day window 3 hours is insignificant., there will be plenty of opportunities to get a tow at some point.
My point was simple don't let a silly thing like a 5.00am start put you off this "Grand Adventure"
AC
I don't think you can guarantee the start control being open for 3 hours.A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.
Don't think anyone would object if you set off @ 8.00am. With a time limit like this most people can afford to lose a few hours from the overall allowance and still have plenty of time in hand.
That may well be what I do if I do it.
Good
I do see Ivo's point about groups in the early stages but don't think it matters on a ride of this length unless you are going for a "time". Over a six day window 3 hours is insignificant., there will be plenty of opportunities to get a tow at some point.
My point was simple don't let a silly thing like a 5.00am start put you off this "Grand Adventure"
AC
If you 'registered' at 0500, you're not going to get any useful sleep by 0800!
I've printed off the info, but (forgive me for being thick if it's in there somewhere) I can't see a date for this.
I've printed off the info, but (forgive me for being thick if it's in there somewhere) I can't see a date for this.
There's been a recent welcome improvement on this forum. Gaze at the following snapshot of the front page:
Saltire 200k Perm - Saturday 3rd October 2009
HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg « 1 2 3 »
Gower Getter 200 10/10 Roll Call?
18th October Wylye and Ebble Valley 200k - roll call
Upper Thames 200 - 07-NOV-2009
Mid Sussex Hillier / Hilly 24th October
Anfractous 200km & Nyctophobic 100km, October 10th 2009
Can you see the odd one out? (Not meaning to have a go at Sabine, honestly!)
using my super web foo
This probably seems incredibly anal to most readers
At least I'm right about something today!
This probably seems incredibly anal to most readers
Yes
The dates are now in the original heading for this thread.
Apologies for omitting them in the first place, didn't sort it out because I just presumed those people interested would take the time to follow the links kindly provided by others ;)
Come on everyone, enter it when the forms come out, you'll have a great time.
I promise :)
You will be in Germany so no control will be without beer.
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.
Last time we agreed to accept any claims from riders who had completed the event, but in fact we received none, as I recall. Unlikely to be any problem this coming time either, though as an overseas event it will have to be a claim, rather than the AUK system calculating it automatically.
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.
Last time we agreed to accept any claims from riders who had completed the event, but in fact we received none, as I recall.
Which is better: this or 1001 miglia italia?
Registration now open:
Registration now open:
What's Germanic sizing like? 40-42"...
Registration now open:
What's Germanic sizing like? 40-42"...
Looking at Tchibo's website, medium-large. If your actual chest measurement is over 40", get L.
Err on the large side.
If the worst comes to the Wurst, use it as an overcoat.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/HBK06_01_0019_VOR_PICT1159.jpg)
Registration now open:
Entry will be complete only when entry fee is received. Passport photo (as .jpg) also required.
err - how did you work that out? With my knowledge of German (i.e. none) and the use of Babel Fish I've got as far as completing the on-line registration. I'm now completely stumped as to how to pay the money and I've not even seen any mention of a passport photo or a means of attaching. ???I'm German - and I even didn't find it too.
Help!
err - how did you work that out? With my knowledge of German (i.e. none) and the use of Babel Fish I've got as far as completing the on-line registration. I'm now completely stumped as to how to pay the money and I've not even seen any mention of a passport photo or a means of attaching. ???I'm German - and I even didn't find it too.
Help!
A friend gave me a tip for the money:
Kontoverbindung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/konto)
This information was very hidden in the impressum.
How to manage the jpg - I just don't know
Erst mit der Zahlung ist die Anmeldung komplettand
Neben den Angaben bei der Anmeldung benötigen wir noch ein Passfoto (als JPG-Datei per E-Mail)
How to manage the jpg - I just don't know
Mailadresse für JPG-Bilder: Für die bereits Angemeldeten gibt es in einigen Tagen auch noch eine Sammelmail
wenn es ganz eilig ist : Mail(a)H-B-K.de
Registration now open:
Anmeldung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/228)
Entry form:
Anmeldung HBK 2010 | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/Anmeldung_HBK10)
Entry fee of €152.70 includes:
- 1527 km ride
- Pre-ride pasta party
- Breakfast on morning of the ride.
- Sleep and food at the main controls
- T-shirt
- Medal
Entry will be complete only when entry fee is received. Passport photo (as .jpg) also required.
Accommodation suggestions:
Ãœbernachtung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/225)
Looks like I've persuaded the management that we both want to do this event next year after good reviews from those who rode last time so I've been having a look at possible ferries etc. As there is no direct ferry anymore? What do people think is the best route to get there other than flying.(routes via Italy not viable due to holiday restrictions :) )
Ideas?
Looks like I've persuaded the management that we both want to do this event next year after good reviews from those who rode last time so I've been having a look at possible ferries etc. As there is no direct ferry anymore? What do people think is the best route to get there other than flying.(routes via Italy not viable due to holiday restrictions :) )
Ideas?
From your area I'd use the Newcastle - IJmuiden or the Hull - Rotterdam. From the Dutch coast there are lot's of trains to Berlin passing through, or close to Hamburg. If you book early via the German railways site you could get a ticket as cheap as 29 Euro. A biketicket is 12 Euro, a place for your bike has to be reserved.
Alternatively you could team up with some of the Dutch HBKH participants and travel together with them.
Sabine have just registered for HBKH but don't know how to pay or how to send a photo. Help!I've registered. Or at least I think I have. :-\
Hi Megajoules,
There is a thread already for people travelling to this from Scotland - http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22600.0 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22600.0)
Feel free to post on that thread if you and Dick want to share transport. :thumbsup:
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition.
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition.
will Lowlands 1200 be eligible?
36 entries so far with 13 of those from the UK.
Or possibly 35 entries with 12 from the UK, as one name appears twice.
Rumour has it that the Muur van Messinghausen might not feature this time. Shame.
Or possibly 35 entries with 12 from the UK, as one name appears twice.
Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei.
My cheque's been cashed, and I've completed my application form.
Is there a route sheet or gpx file knocking around at all?
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!Go for it. I did 2005 LEL in my first year of Audaxing. In late December 2004 I'd done no randonees, only done 200km once in my life. It'll be a superb achievement, you have more than 6 months to get fit enough.
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!Go for it. I did 2005 LEL in my first year of Audaxing. In late December 2004 I'd done no randonees, only done 200km once in my life. It'll be a superb achievement, you have more than 6 months to get fit enough.
Anyone found any decent, cheapish accomodation at the start? I'm not entirely sure where the start is, so I'm not doing very well at finding accomodation. :-[
Anyone found any decent, cheapish accomodation at the start? I'm not entirely sure where the start is, so I'm not doing very well at finding accomodation. :-[
Todmorden 1
There is an Anmeldeliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/235) on the website. If you are on this list, you have registered and your payment has been received*. Nationalities represented:
Germany 9
UK (including Schottland) 8
Netherlands (including Holland) 3
Greece 1
Denmark 1
Todmorden 1
*Thanks Sabine
My cheque has been cashed, and my name appeared on a previous version of this online list, but its not there any more. Should I be worried?
Graeme Fraser Wyllie - Edinburgh Road Club & Audax Ecosse
My cheque has b
Die Datenübernahme geschieht nicht automatisch. Es kann einige Tage dauern, bis der Zahlungseingang gebucht ist.
The Reservierungsliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/231) has all the people who have registered, the Anmeldeliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/235) only those whose payment has been registered.
It does say on the Anmeldeliste:QuoteDie Datenübernahme geschieht nicht automatisch. Es kann einige Tage dauern, bis der Zahlungseingang gebucht ist.
The data transfer does not occur automatically. It can take several days before the payment is registered.
I imagine the 2-stage payment (via Sabine) for us AUKS can take even longer.
My cheque has b
My cheque has b
...ounced? ;) ;D
Hi all,
Just to let you know everybody who has paid me will be on the list in the next day or to.
Anybody who can't send the photo as a pdf can send it to Heino directly all you have to do is print your name on the
back of the photo so he knows who you are.!!!!
Don't hesitate to get in touch whith me if you got any problems. ::-)
Sabine
Hi all,
Just to let you know everybody who has paid me will be on the list in the next day or to.
Anybody who can't send the photo as a pdf can send it to Heino directly all you have to do is print your name on the
back of the photo so he knows who you are.!!!!
Don't hesitate to get in touch whith me if you got any problems. ::-)
Sabine
Bicycle Path - HBKH 2010 at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/HBKH-2010)
Bicycle Path - HBKH 2010 at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/HBKH-2010)
Hi Pingu - Did you create that route yourself or is that the official download? Seems to go through a lot of fields ???
I'm going to get a GPS for this one and while I'm still desperately trying to make up my mind which one to buy, it would worry me quite a bit if that's the route data provided!
Hi all,
The route sheet provided is very good we had no problems last time and I don't think anybody will have problems this time.A lot of the time you will be on cyclepath that other roaduser cant use.
Nearly all the helpers in Germany have ridden this ride a short while ago to make sure the routesheet is up to date.
The beginning and last stage of the ride is fairly flat the rest is very undulating/hilly .Hope you are all ready for it when is everybody leaving for Hamburg some of us are going over wednesday.
See you all there. :thumbsup:
Just been to the physio about my knee. He tells me I could be OK to do HBKH. That's good news. But he wouldn't say I would be OK to do it. I will still go. If I am unable to ride I will take my bike and do some cycling and also hire a car and be some sort of support to our team. Here's hoping.
Aye, fingers crossed for Bodach.Just been to the physio about my knee. He tells me I could be OK to do HBKH. That's good news. But he wouldn't say I would be OK to do it. I will still go. If I am unable to ride I will take my bike and do some cycling and also hire a car and be some sort of support to our team. Here's hoping.
Fingers crossed Bodach.
Just take up an unfamiliar ;) place towards the back of the autobus écossais (the back row is now looking full, very few places left) and keep me company dawdling up the hills.
valkyrie, according to this (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf), they "will organise a luggage transport to the two main control points (roughly at km 450 and km 1100)." Doesn't mention cosy feather beds though. :-\
I'm taking bookings for the Pensioners' Autobus but I'm afraid you're much too young to qualify for your bus pass. :P
EDIT: Now that I'm beginning to wake up, I've noticed that it also says "board and lodging is planned at control point Quedlingburg (km 450)." I guess the second main control point may be the same.
I'm really looking forward to the "abundant changes in altitude". :-X
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.???
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.???
Can somebody - anybody - please post a link to the routesheet pdf. Ah cannae find it. :-[
PS, Bairn Again, you didn't come across my arm warmers last night, did you?
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.???
Can somebody - anybody - please post a link to the routesheet pdf. Ah cannae find it. :-[
PS, Bairn Again, you didn't come across my arm warmers last night, did you?
You can probably tell I'm worrying about this now... ::-)
Some more questions that I can't find answers to (mainly 'cos I can't read German)
Is there a bag drop service? If so, what control do you get your bag at?
For the sleeping controls - is any bedding provided or do I need a sleeping bag in my drop-bag or in my saddle bag?
Away to lie awake for a while.
valkyrie, according to this (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf), they "will organise a luggage transport to the two main control points (roughly at km 450 and km 1100)." Doesn't mention cosy feather beds though. :-\
I'm taking bookings for the Pensioners' Autobus but I'm afraid you're much too young to qualify for your bus pass. :P
EDIT: Now that I'm beginning to wake up, I've noticed that it also says "board and lodging is planned at control point Quedlingburg (km 450)." I guess the second main control point may be the same.
I'm really looking forward to the "abundant changes in altitude". :-X
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.
It looks reasonably clear that theres a single bag drop at Messinghausen (740 and 1130)
I also spy a picture of a sleeping mat at Ditfurt (460 km), Messignhausen (740 km), Herkenrath (950 km) and Messinghausen again at 1130 km.
Maybe the ever helpful Sabine could also tell us if we need to bring bed mats / sleeping bags to use at these controls?
Dont worry about the changes in altitude, according to salar55 its an easy ride and we'll be racing round.
EDIT : Valkyrie - looks like we have timed our worrying almost to perfection. I was out in the garage last night fitting the uber wide range 11-34 "satellite dish" cassette on to my bike [surely the pensioners will welcome me into the fold now!!] as well as fretting over what to put in my bag drop, brakes, which bag to take, cleats, socks, how may spare tubes, which pump, arm warmers etc etc etc etc. Riding the bike is the easy bit!
You can probably tell I'm worrying about this now... ::-)
Some more questions that I can't find answers to (mainly 'cos I can't read German)
Is there a bag drop service? If so, what control do you get your bag at?
For the sleeping controls - is any bedding provided or do I need a sleeping bag in my drop-bag or in my saddle bag?
Away to lie awake for a while.
Hi Neil
The website has been updated with more info today but just to put your mind at rest here is an extract
We offer the inspection Ditfurt km 460 / Messinghausen km 740 and km 1130 / 1130 km Lindern Sleeps in the form of sleeping mat and blanket. In the Nature House (Herkenrath / km 950) there are even beds. We will also set a wake up call.
Cheers
Roberto
Audax Ecosse on the Bummel
Thanks chaps. :thumbsup:
Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers. :-\
Thanks chaps. :thumbsup:
Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers. :-\
:PThanks chaps. :thumbsup:
Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers. :-\
Yes and very nice they were too ;D
Mighty kind of you Phil, but I've just been on to Chain Reaction. After all, what's a big ride like this without a last-minute panic buy? :thumbsup:
Eck, I have a spare pair if you need them.
Audax Ecosse on the Bummel
Strangely, I'm thinking more along the lines of "The Walmington-on-Sea platoon go in search of Jones' arm warmers" ;)
Best of luck and watch oot for those sausages.
Has anyone had time to check out the control cut off times?
the first three sheets end times do not seem to compute with
the overall time given of 128 hours for the 1535k ( the last few sheets do though)
Abschnitt 1: Seite -1 – Stadtbad Nauen 270k says 14.08.10 - 23:00 h
Abschnitt 2: Seite – 2 Ditfurt 460k says 15.08.10 – 12:40h
Abschnitt 3: Seite – 2 Messinghausen 740k says 16.08.10 – 07.20h
The cycle must be equipped with adequate cycle lighting, reflective belts are a night-time requirement.
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleepTough day?
This PDF (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf) says:QuoteThe cycle must be equipped with adequate cycle lighting, reflective belts are a night-time requirement.
Is it German law that reflective belts are worn at night or is it just a suggestion by the organisers?
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleepTough day?
Just seen the handsome Cyclops sporting a Scotland top oh the front cover of Arrivee that would be ideal for HBKH. Anyone know where I can do a well planned last minute purchase as I have not got my Audax Ecosse top yet?ordered mine on Tuesday night, came today. :thumbsup:
Just seen the handsome Cyclops sporting a Scotland top oh the front cover of Arrivee that would be ideal for HBKH. Anyone know where I can do a well planned last minute purchase as I have not got my Audax Ecosse top yet?ordered mine on Tuesday night, came today. :thumbsup:
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C0912 (http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C0912)
You better be quick though, they say they have only two L left. The L is a "neat" fit on me :-[ so it should be fine for you.
If PBK have sold out, I think you can get them direct from Endura. Are they not just along the road from you anyway?
EDIT: if you want an Audax Ecosse top, you are welcome to mine. I never did like the design. :o ;)
Thanks Eck,Phil,
have just ordered one from Edinburgh Bike but if your Audax Ecosse top is a medium could you bring it along as it would fit me, I will take my 1/2 LEL top.
ta Phillip
Thanks Eck,Phil,
have just ordered one from Edinburgh Bike but if your Audax Ecosse top is a medium could you bring it along as it would fit me, I will take my 1/2 LEL top.
ta Phillip
Not sure about size, but it's a SS, full-zip. I'll bring it for you anyway. :thumbsup:
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleepTough day?
Probably the hardest section (on paper anyway).
With 950 km in the legs (fingers crossed) its in the thick of the "abundant changes in altitude" section and with a generally upward profile. On heck.
Monday : M’hausen – Herkenrath 210k > sleep >
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep
Still, this bit makes me think if it is a wise move to take the bent which I am still not properly adjusted to. Or if I should give in to reason and take my normal ride. Or if I should prove I am sane by staying at home.
Will somebody pls look after my penguin? He thought he was coming home on Thursday, not Friday :-\Don't you fret Mrs P. He's not coming home on Friday.
Here's something to ponder:
Ditfurt - Messinghausen 269Km 2951m of ascent = 11m/km
Messinghausen - Herkenrath 205km 3156m of ascent = 15.4m/km
Herkenrath - Messinghausen 172km 2341m of ascent = 13.6m/km
Doing the Mille Cymru for training was a good idea ;D
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?I'm using GPS (Garmin Vista Hcx) and I find using tracks the best way on long routes (basically a moving map) - You can use routes but have to chop it up into quite short lengths to work inside the limit of points. The very latest tracks are here http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010 (http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010) - very good mapping website and a new one to me.
So it'll be kind of like riding a 400k, then the Tayside Transgression, followed by the Deesside loop and the Dave Harris before a final 300k+ with a lumpy first 100k?Ach, it's quite flat according to certain experts:
Thats good, for a moment there I thought it was going to be difficult. ;) :o
Hi Had a look at the profile. Not much climbing:smug:
pps - Eck - Ive got the wheels with the Hope hubs to keep us awake as well. :thumbsup:Moi? ??? Virtually silent Campag hubs for me this time. O:-)
Many thanks kind sir :)
ps - Mav. Excpetionally well done on the MC1000. A most stupendous achievement.
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?I'm using GPS (Garmin Vista Hcx) and I find using tracks the best way on long routes (basically a moving map) - You can use routes but have to chop it up into quite short lengths to work inside the limit of points. The very latest tracks are here http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010 (http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010) - very good mapping website and a new one to me.
I'm still trying to work out the best way of chopping up all those route instruction into something I can use on the bike.
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?
:hand: There is only One True Way. Eschew your gadgets, in McNasty trust you must. (http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Episode-3-star-wars-41383_1024_768.jpg)
The good news is I've now bought a road atlas of Germany and a highlighter :). The bad news is I'm in bed with a cold that started yesterday afternoon :(. I don't normally go on the sick for a cold, but I'm trying my best to be fit for Saturday. So Vit C, Day Nurse and off to bed for an afternoon's dozing. I'll take it real easy at work for the next couple of days and hopefully I'll be right as rain come Thursday. Or worst case Saturday.
Each passenger will have 3 pieces of carry-on luggage: Saddle bag, drop-bag and travel bag. Each of these will be soft and small.
Each passenger will have 3 pieces of carry-on luggage: Saddle bag, drop-bag and travel bag. Each of these will be soft and small.
My drop bag & travel bag were going to be the same. Would it be better to split them ???
The good news is I've now bought a road atlas of Germany and a highlighter :). The bad news is I'm in bed with a cold that started yesterday afternoon :(. I don't normally go on the sick for a cold, but I'm trying my best to be fit for Saturday. So Vit C, Day Nurse and off to bed for an afternoon's dozing. I'll take it real easy at work for the next couple of days and hopefully I'll be right as rain come Thursday. Or worst case Saturday.
Good news - I bought a map of Germany last night.
Bad news - on closer inspection last night the scale is such that it doesnt show about 90% of the places we are cycling through.
That's £4.99 down the drain. Bugger.
Off to the Gyle centre at lunchtime to get a proper one!!
Each passenger will have 3 pieces of carry-on luggage: Saddle bag, drop-bag and travel bag. Each of these will be soft and small.
My drop bag & travel bag were going to be the same. Would it be better to split them ???
I see eck's got a head start ;)Aye, see me, Ah'm flyin' :thumbsup:
Ergebnisliste HBK 2010 | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/321)
bernard peguin 09 19.07 06:00 19.07 18:12
Pingu's also tweeting http://twitter.com/_pingu
John_Spooner 270km Nauen less than 11 hours. have ridden with scottish train.
I'll be tweeting http://twitter.com/maverick_47 (http://twitter.com/maverick_47) (if I remember ::-) )
Pingu's just phoned and is now out of the event. He fell on a wet tram line, someone ran over his wheel and it's well borked. No-one's got a spare wheel and all the shops are shut for the rest of the weekend. :( :'(.
Gutted for him.
otherdave, valkyrie and roberto into next control within a couple of minutes if each other so looks like they have a groupetto....
Sounds as if John is grinding the Ecosse contigent down one by one (or two by two) ...
Oh dear, it's not sounding very cheerful, is it? What a shame for everyone.
This isn't a bike ride it's CARNAGE!OK, I'll follow on then ...
Now at cologne control. Not much rain today. Rode much of way with maverick and Valkerie. 950 km ridden 585 to go.
(Brrp)Plz(Brrp)2(Brrp)sendz(Brrp)more(Brrp)tarmacz(Brrp)4(Brrp)the(Brrp)kobblez ;-)
Damn - Jack's just packed; bad back :-(
Sounds like there should be a 'duck' trophy -'I made it through the rain' for anciens of PBP 2007, LEL 2009 and this HBKH:)
Sounds like there should be a 'duck' trophy -'I made it through the rain' for anciens of PBP 2007, LEL 2009 and this HBKH
Hailsham stalwarts Chris Tracey and Ricardo Tomas going well :thumbsup:looking at the website, i am trying to work out how richard is doing: it seems to me he is going very quickly and consequently getting unfeasible amounts of sleep. But maybe I have misunderstood:
Maybe i have misinterpreted the info on the website, but that really is a quite stupendous performance.
Fook a duck; saw a drowned rat in the gutter - know EXACTLY how it feels :-(
Is he in his 80s? That really would be stupendousno he isn't - i was very stupidly confusing john's event number with his age. the sort of error one makes at the end of a long ride, not normally when in an office sitting in a chair....... hence i have edited that comment.
no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'my reading of the website suggests that control closes at 4am tomorrow so he has simply oceans of time to sleep. he now has 440k to go and until 9.10am on monday to do it. :thumbsup:
no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'my reading of the website suggests that control closes at 4am tomorrow so he has simply oceans of time to sleep. he now has 440k to go and until 9.10am on monday to do it. :thumbsup:
I'll have a pint of whatever he's on. :facepalm:
no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'my reading of the website suggests that control closes at 4am tomorrow so he has simply oceans of time to sleep. he now has 440k to go and until 9.10am on monday to do it. :thumbsup:
I'll have a pint of whatever he's on. :facepalm:
9.10am on Monday would be quite relaxed time limits!
12kph over 1535km and a 6am start on Saturday gives a 1.55pm finish on Thursday.
The rain was so heavy that it was running down the slopes towards them in waves.
They may have said an 'auf wiedersehen' to the hills (or maybe a firmer 'good bye').
I don't think that they're riding this thing at all. I reckon that they're all in some nice beer cellar somewhere playing the newly launched HBKH board game, loosely based on Monopoly. The aim is to complete 1500 laps of the board but if you land on the wrong square you get sent to jail*, break your frame, come off on tramlines, suffer a recurring knee injury, etc. If you land on the good squares you can advance to the next control. You get another beer every time you pass 'Go'. ;D
* nobody's landed on this one yet, as far as we know...
that is true. i am assuming the time refers to arrival at a control :-\, rather than when you choose to wander over to the table and register: if it were the latter riders could arrive, sleep, register and leave, which would mess up the assumptions i am making.
out of interest; how long have they all got? is it the same min speed as LEL?
Bad Sulzufen 04:20 Tonight i've performed major surgery on a chain and had an interesting encounter in the worlds biggest bus shelter at 1:45
Most of the call was about the bus-shelter
George Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.
* Audax Epics based on weather must involve carrying bikes for at least 1km through knee deep snow.
Something to do with recumbents, I think. Nothing a normal, sensible cyclist ever need worry about. ;)That's ok then, I was beginning to think I had missed something fundamental!
What's an idler return ???
True Audax epics come from the likes of McNasty riding 400km+ with a snapped frame held together by zipties, or Arallsopp riding all but 10km of LEL with an idler return made from rapidly disintegrating zipties and bits of shoe, or Garry King snapping his handlebars in half on *that* nasty descent early on on the Upper Thames, shimming it with a coke-can and riding the rest of the ride without complaint.
What's an idler return ???
For me, this season's audaxing :)
...space enough for a woman on a moped to come in and do a u-turn before sorting out a stack of newspapers for onward distribution, all at 1:45 am...Just to iron out the ambiguity in case I have been misunderstood: this isn't one of the many criteria used by John to assess the quality of bus shelters (up to now); it's something that happened.
QuoteGeorge Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.
Fingers cross'd. That would be ace.
QuoteGeorge Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.
Fingers cross'd. That would be ace.
Gerorge has just made it as far as Linden according to the site. Similar time as Iddu so it looks like they are still riding together.
From Maverick
McNASTY Completed 11.15
Just had a text from Valkyrie. "McNasty just finished, you wouldn't believe the state of his bike! Ridden for 500km with a broken frame"
I've asked for more details.
Dave
Richard is a very strong rider and cajoled us all into doing PBP in 80hrs in 2007 complete with a realistic schedule; but on his advice we all sensibly threw it out of the window on the day and just got round not caring about the time; he's probably thinking the same now.I'm really pleased he's done it - although it was never really in doubt as AFAIK he has never been a non-show or packed.
"McNasty just finished, you wouldn't believe the state of his bike! Ridden for 500km with a broken frame"
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.
Tag 6 (aus und vorbei) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/353) has that photo along with the text:-Brilliant - another example of poetic mis-translation.
Rough translation (based on google but cleaned up by me):-
"The biggest stir, however, was caused by George, who arrived just before Willy. We are happy to say that he succeeded despite a broken down-tube. This was not a crack, it was a black hole in a load-bearing part of the bike's geometry."
Tag 6 (aus und vorbei) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/353) has that photo along with the text:-Brilliant - another example of poetic mis-translation.
Rough translation (based on google but cleaned up by me):-
"The biggest stir, however, was caused by George, who arrived just before Willy. We are happy to say that he succeeded despite a broken down-tube. This was not a crack, it was a black hole in a load-bearing part of the bike's geometry."
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.
:D That's a great picture. Crying out for all kinds of captions.
Well done Mr McNasty, superb effort.
And congrats to all too.
Can we have a picture of him at the beginning, I'm not convinced there'd be much difference.
ur al crazehVaruckt!
Who's the geezer in the tartan?
Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)
Who's the geezer in the tartan?
Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)
Hi Exit stage left: George looked better before because he was quite excited at the start. when he finished he was quite sad that it was already over. By the way: We Germans try to improve understanding his accent...
No matter how hard I squint at that picture I can't see the hole ???
Also, quill pedals without so much as a toe-clip, and flint catchers? Is this man from Planet 1947 or something ;)
No matter how hard I squint at that picture I can't see the hole ???
George has been a legend for a long time.
From the 1979 PBP results.
Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=resultats_1979)
62H36 117 BERWICK George GB M VE A.U.K.
When I DNFed the Snow Roads this year I got to know more about George than I got to know about myself....... go on ..... ;)
Who's the geezer in the tartan?
Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)
Bad news from maverick on a tweet - packed following a crash :facepalm: - both riders okay. :thumbsup:
Bad news from maverick on a tweet - packed following a crash :facepalm: - both riders okay. :thumbsup:
Who puts up these false statements ?
There was two opions (1140k or 1535k)
therefore it should have read - otherdave and Roberto have gone on to ride 1140k route -
PS Roberto and myself completed 1140k in about 83 hours.
Here's a pic of George's repair:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4913972294_2056fee425.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4913972294/sizes/o/in/set-72157624774912434/)
:o
Now I can see why they described it as a "black hole". You wouldn't catch me riding 5km on that, never mind 500.
:o
Now I can see why they described it as a "black hole". You wouldn't catch me riding 5km on that, never mind 500.
I like the way he's paid attention to incorporating a bit of added flex and suspension in the repair. Probably a very comfortable ride :-)
here you can find some other pictures some of us made during hbkh: Hamburg-Berlin-Köln - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624637388699/)There were lots of great shots, especially of the first day, but they seem to have disappeared, except for the Dudelsacks serenading pingu. . ???
Does anyone know what's happened to the set of foties that Lars posted on flickr?Quotehere you can find some other pictures some of us made during hbkh: Hamburg-Berlin-Köln - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624637388699/)There were lots of great shots, especially of the first day, but they seem to have disappeared, except for the Dudelsacks serenading pingu. . ???
The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too.
Unfortunately that's true, we do not have a Pro account. I placed the whole set on Facebook, hope you can see them, if not I will try something else::thumbsup:
Hamburg-Berlin-Koeln-Hamburg | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=24990&id=100000520170606)
Please let me know if it works,
MacBady
The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too.
When I stripped down my wheels today - the wasser was still coming out of the rims :-\
What's this man going to be like when he gets his new bike?? :)
Quite an odd place for a break, isn't it? Seems well away from any braze-ons. Not that there are too many of those on the bike anyway...
The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too.
When I stripped down my wheels today - the wasser was still coming out of the rims :-\
I bet that's not the first time you've had water coming out of your rim.
I think George's frame is a 20.5inch
Petra seems to have got so wet during the event that she's had to take all her clothes off.... :o ;)Well, you may be closer to the truth than you realise. Just ask bodach about the unisex shower at, I think, Ditfurt. :-X
Try this (http://www.arcor.de/palb/einladung_accept.jsp?key=IJHVH84CZDO6oUtlrRxHKt%2F6i1iO0k4%2FzjMLS4kx1S4hHXso758zCA%3D%3D).:thumbsup:
Hi Pingu,
it only works if I use Firefox. Same fancy pics with other browsers.
What browser do you use?
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:
Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:
Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:
Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)
"Das Album kann nicht angezeigt werden!"
Bah!
Hi Pingu,
it only works if I use Firefox. Same fancy pics with other browsers.
What browser do you use?
I used IE (I'm at work). Felix's link on the HBKH site gets redirected to the link you posted above (that's what appears in the address bar when you get to the pictures). Do you have some sort of security option in Safari to stop this kind of redirection?
Lars & Monica called you The Cowboy :)Thanks L&M - but I'm not even close to The Metal Cowboy (http://www.metalcowboy.com/)
I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.
He fails to mention the fascinating Stadsmuseum, the Bakkerijmuseum, or the Weverhusje, which describes it's location as "midden in het kloppenden hart van Almelo". But most of all he fails to mention Home (http://www.profrondealmelo.nl) (town centre racing tonight 17:00 to 22:45). There's an impressive start list for the men's race (Samuel Sanchez topping the bill).I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.
That's an hour away from me by bike. I guess you'll just get a new rim that has to be spoked in?
Lucky for you the nightlife of Almelo is famous:
YouTube
- Herman Finkers - uitgaansleven in Almelo
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63f2xQTuQ3g)
If you would like advice on your route or company until Deventer/IJssel river (I guess you'll be heading there) I'd be happy to help. I am quite fond of the route from Enschede to Deventer(short, fast, low traffic, nice scenery), but from Almelo it means quite a detour.
My ride home from Hamburg has been further delayed by a collapsing rear rim. I think I mentioned somewhere near Rimberg to Valkyrie a pulsing when using the rear brake - well, now I know why. I wasn't man enough to try a MacNasty-esque bodge, so took it into the first bike shop I came to, and I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.
Big thanks to the organisers and helpers - they were all great!I finished the ride with Andreas (who has completed all 3 Super-Brevets) and we agreed that members of AC-SH were all incredibly nice people. In fact I think that must be the sole criterion for membership. I recall Valkyrie remarking that the only fault on the whole ride was that on one occasion the coffee pot was not in reach from his seat. But I do remember at Herkenrath, when I was sitting at the table, that things were being moved to within my reach so I could just sit there and guzzle. Likewise at Lindern, I grabbed some bread and toast and magically a range of jams, cheeses and cooked meats instantly appeared in front of me.
...space enough for a woman on a moped to come in and do a u-turn before sorting out a stack of newspapers for onward distribution, all at 1:45 am...Just to iron out the ambiguity in case I have been misunderstood: this isn't one of the many criteria used by John to assess the quality of bus shelters
"ErFTFY (sorry, but 30 years ago I was a German teacher and old habits die hard).hatist 1500km mit diesem Rad gefahren?"
But I do remember at Herkenrath, when I was sitting at the table, that things were being moved to within my reach so I could just sit there and guzzle.
As a French + German speaker I was called on to interpret for Bernard, the sole French entrant, when he signed in at Grosshansdorf. I rode quite a bit with him and Willi, a French-speaking Belgian
Thanks to the Audax Ecosse riders whose company I enjoyed at various times.
I had forgotten how relentlessly hilly the ride was from Messinghausen to Herkenrath and back*, but I'm glad I remembered the cafe at Bad Fredeburg and the Stehcafe at Aggersee. I do remember the dearth of cafés in Finnentrop, but Valkyrie, maverick and I managed to find one which had been open for only a week, which did lovely Pflaumenkuchen.
*but I hadn't forgotten Ferndorfstrasse.
I suspect I may be back there in 2014. In the words of Mike Thomson: "Top jaunt."
Achtung
Bussard!
Radfahrer bitte absteigen!
Keine hastige Bewegungen
Bussard kann angreifen
Gemeinde Jesterburg
Der Gemeindedirektor.
Beware the Buzzard
Cyclists please dismount
No sudden movements
The buzzard can attack.
Jesterburg Chief Executive
Welcome back home - sounds like the journey back was harder than HBKH.This a new game then - make the travel more arduous than the events ;D
I rode quite a bit with him and Willi, a French-speaking Belgian, and enjoyed the hospitality of Gerda and Jacques