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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Sabine on 25 September, 2009, 09:56:26 pm

Title: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 25 September, 2009, 09:56:26 pm
Just to let everybody who is interested in this ride know that all information
will be available in November .You can also register at that time.

Sabine :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: postie on 25 September, 2009, 10:00:42 pm
i hope to do this ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Hummers on 26 September, 2009, 07:51:42 am
This event (and the MM) clashes with my silver wedding anniversary so it's a no from me.  :'(

H
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 26 September, 2009, 08:24:23 pm
I think theres definitely a gruppeto from Scotland who are interested in this, including myself.   


G
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 26 September, 2009, 09:18:29 pm
I intend to ride.

I wonder whether anyone will be the first to ride it on a Festgangrad?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Ivo on 28 September, 2009, 11:47:11 am
I intend to ride.

I wonder whether anyone will be the first to ride it on a Festgangrad Starrnabe?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 28 September, 2009, 04:04:14 pm
Or even a Fixie-Rad.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Jules on 28 September, 2009, 04:46:58 pm
Is the date still a secret?

It's my silver wedding anniversary next year too and I'm worried I might be married to Hummers and had never realised :hand:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 28 September, 2009, 05:42:32 pm

All you need to know:

Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf (http://home.freeuk.net/johnspooner/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Panoramix on 28 September, 2009, 07:07:57 pm
1500km with only 2 sleep stops? I already need 3 on a 1400!!! I hope that bus shelters are of superior german quality!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: valkyrie on 28 September, 2009, 10:28:42 pm
Anyone done this ride before? 12kmh = 288km/day, so I can't quite see why they'd want the first sleeping place to be at 450km, unless it's a PBP style evening start.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 29 September, 2009, 11:40:49 am
5 am start (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/207).

I was definitely ready for sleep when I arrived at Ditfurt (460 km).

Last time (http://docs.google.com/View?id=dr7p4tj_37cbjnpf29) there were 5 possible sleep stops:

Difurt (near Quedlinburg, 460 km) - local history museum
Messinghausen (near Brilon, 737 km) - shooting club
Rösrath ( the Köln turn, 936 km) - stately home, basement thereof
Messinghausen again (1116 km)
Lindern (1312 km) - fire station

I managed to arrive at the first four in darkness, so they were well placed for me.

Probably different arrangements next time, we'll probably learn more in November.

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: recumbentim on 29 September, 2009, 04:35:30 pm
Might be interested as part of ecosse possie . Is the hilly bit really hilly? Salvatore.
Only giong if there is Black forest Gateau.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: DanialW on 29 September, 2009, 06:59:27 pm
You have to go to Baden-Württemberg for Schwarzwaldetorte, don't you?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Ivo on 29 September, 2009, 07:01:01 pm
There are other local specialities in other parts of the route ;)
Tea won't be among it since the route doesn't touch the flatlands of Eastern Friesland  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 29 September, 2009, 07:54:31 pm
Is the hilly bit really hilly? Salvatore.

Only the middle 700 km.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Ivo on 29 September, 2009, 09:26:12 pm
The Sauerland is not hilly in the sense of short and steep. It's more long climbing. 600m altitude is quite common there, it runs to well over 800m.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Bigsybaby on 29 September, 2009, 10:31:15 pm
You have to go to Baden-Württemberg for Schwarzwaldetorte, don't you?
"but what about my Kronenberg"
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Climberruss on 29 September, 2009, 11:36:49 pm
5 am start (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/207).

I was definitely ready for sleep when I arrived at Ditfurt (460 km).

Last time (http://docs.google.com/View?id=dr7p4tj_37cbjnpf29) there were 5 possible sleep stops:

Difurt (near Quedlinburg, 460 km) - local history museum
Messinghausen (near Brilon, 737 km) - shooting club
Rösrath ( the Köln turn, 936 km) - stately home, basement thereof
Messinghausen again (1116 km)
Lindern (1312 km) - fire station

I managed to arrive at the first four in darkness, so they were well placed for me.

Probably different arrangements next time, we'll probably learn more in November.


I reckon this is doable with 3 sleep stops at 460k, 936k and 1312km giving a short final day ride of 188km. I fancy this one.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Ivo on 30 September, 2009, 06:06:41 am
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Pingu on 30 September, 2009, 12:46:59 pm
There are other local specialities in other parts of the route ;)

I have the CAMRA Beer Guide to Germany  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Climberruss on 01 October, 2009, 12:02:39 am
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.

This touches on a subject that really bugs me - why do long audaxes start at stupid times? If you are going to be on a bike for upwards of 24hours why not start at a reasonable time? At the end you will be that tired that it dosen't matter what time you finish. I think particularly of 600's which insist on starting at 6am. *am would be far better.
A 5am start for a ride like this is pointless.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: mattc on 01 October, 2009, 12:34:50 am
Russ, I completely agree. But let's not derail this topic - it's a handy reference thread (so far .... ) There are other threads that discuss it, or feel free to start your own thread!

I think it's instructive that the 24h TT starts midday-ish. Whereas most 400ks start at 6am - daft.
I find the dawn start times tend to work for faster riders; they can cover max miles before the first sunset, and can often arrange things so they finish in daylight.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Climberruss on 02 October, 2009, 12:25:00 am
Russ, I completely agree. But let's not derail this topic - it's a handy reference thread (so far .... ) There are other threads that discuss it, or feel free to start your own thread!

I think it's instructive that the 24h TT starts midday-ish. Whereas most 400ks start at 6am - daft.
I find the dawn start times tend to work for faster riders; they can cover max miles before the first sunset, and can often arrange things so they finish in daylight.


Sorry!  Got on my soap box a bit there!!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Ivo on 02 October, 2009, 06:02:52 am
Just open another topic on this theme.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 03 October, 2009, 10:22:02 am
I've printed off the info, but (forgive me for being thick if it's in there somewhere) I can't see a date for this.

On the pdf:
Quote
14. bis 19. August 2010

On the website:
Quote
Start: Sa. den 14.08.2010  um 5:00 Uhr


Quote
I'd have liked to know basic details about this a few months ago.

Flyers were distributed at PBP.

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Ivo on 03 October, 2009, 03:16:21 pm
Setting off at 8am would mean that you miss the groups to ride with. Especially the first section is very flat, a good group let's you win a lot of time. At least if you set off at a time your body accepts brisk riding.
If you wish to ride a long audax at the start of august, Baltic Star has one on offer. But it's a bit cycle-cross/rough stuff style.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Climberruss on 03 October, 2009, 11:22:04 pm
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.

This touches on a subject that really bugs me - why do long audaxes start at stupid times? If you are going to be on a bike for upwards of 24hours why not start at a reasonable time? At the end you will be that tired that it dosen't matter what time you finish. I think particularly of 600's which insist on starting at 6am. *am would be far better.
A 5am start for a ride like this is pointless.

Don't think anyone would object if you set off @ 8.00am. With a time limit like this most people can afford to lose a few hours from the overall allowance and still have plenty of time in hand.

That may well be what I do if I do it.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: simonp on 04 October, 2009, 08:02:34 pm
I think the 6am start for a 600 is about right.  I've tried a 9am start on a 600km permanent once.  Never again.  It meant getting to the turning point at 2am, finishing at 11pm with something like 4.5h in hand that could have been used as sleep time (this is based on 14.3kph rather than 15kph).  Because I had to get back to work the next day I
couldn't have a long break during the ride as I'd be finishing well after midnight, so had virtually no sleep on the ride.

Of course, I can do that, but with a 6am start it's much easier to fit a sleep in during the ride (especially if you are reasonably fast for the first 400km) without compromising your finish time.

On LEL with a 2.15pm start I couldn't gain very much time in hand before dark compared to an 8am start, which I'd have preferred given the choice (and it was my choice, but I entered too late).
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: mattc on 05 October, 2009, 11:44:04 am
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.

Don't think anyone would object if you set off @ 8.00am. With a time limit like this most people can afford to lose a few hours from the overall allowance and still have plenty of time in hand.

That may well be what I do if I do it.

Good

I do see Ivo's point about groups in the early stages but don't think it matters on a ride of this length unless you are going for a "time". Over a six day window 3 hours is insignificant., there will be plenty of opportunities to get a tow at some point.

My point was simple don't let a silly thing like a 5.00am start put you off this "Grand Adventure"

AC
I don't think you can guarantee the start control being open for 3 hours.

If you 'registered' at 0500, you're not going to get any useful sleep by 0800!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 05 October, 2009, 12:09:22 pm
A 5am start makes this event a lot less likely for me. I know that I function quite badly when I have to start at 4/5am. In complete contrast to an evening start and riding straight through the first night.

Don't think anyone would object if you set off @ 8.00am. With a time limit like this most people can afford to lose a few hours from the overall allowance and still have plenty of time in hand.

That may well be what I do if I do it.

Good

I do see Ivo's point about groups in the early stages but don't think it matters on a ride of this length unless you are going for a "time". Over a six day window 3 hours is insignificant., there will be plenty of opportunities to get a tow at some point.

My point was simple don't let a silly thing like a 5.00am start put you off this "Grand Adventure"

AC
I don't think you can guarantee the start control being open for 3 hours.

If you 'registered' at 0500, you're not going to get any useful sleep by 0800!

There was one late starter last time (3 hours IIRC, she'd ridden 200/300 km to the start), but she didn't finish.

IF (and it's a big if) the arrangements are the same as in 2006, you could pick up your card at 5 am, then return to your B&B for some kip and delay your start as late as midday, and still have 6½ hours to get to the first control at 160 km.

Me, I'll be on my bike at 5 a.m. I love an early start.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: mattc on 05 October, 2009, 03:59:44 pm
I've printed off the info, but (forgive me for being thick if it's in there somewhere) I can't see a date for this.

There's been a recent welcome improvement on this forum. Gaze at the following snapshot of the front page:

         Saltire 200k Perm - Saturday 3rd October 2009
      HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg « 1 2 3 »    
      Gower Getter 200 10/10 Roll Call?
      18th October Wylye and Ebble Valley 200k - roll call
      Upper Thames 200 - 07-NOV-2009
      Mid Sussex Hillier / Hilly 24th October
      Anfractous 200km & Nyctophobic 100km, October 10th 2009


Can you see the odd one out? (Not meaning to have a go at Sabine, honestly!)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Bergfloh on 05 October, 2009, 07:14:26 pm
Hi i am Peter.
Ivo takes me to this community.
I was driving in 2006 HBKH. I can give you information how it was in 2006.
Sorry for my bad englisch.

ääähm Sabine? Are you this Sabine? Sabine & Jack W. ?

Greatings Peter
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Bergfloh on 05 October, 2009, 08:37:14 pm
Also i try it.

First Day:

The first Step was Großhahnsdorf / Nauen. 269.5Km
Start at 5am
First free Controlstation was in Wittenberge at km 156,9
You could bekome a stamp at a gas station or at Mc Donalds ;D
Last Checktime 1st Day 6pm

Very easy to ride. No hills. Nothing. Verry nice Nature.

The 2nd Controlstation was in Nauen nearly Berlin. Km269.5
at a supermarket.
But we bekome the 2nd Breakfast from the backroom? ??? of a car.
The Rest of the Breakfast from Großhaansdorf...breads, cakes, drinks..... :thumbsup:
last checktime: 2nd Day 3:27am

The second Step 190,7Km: Nauen Km269,5 - Ditfurt Km460,2

Through Brandenburg there where streetcar rails with cobblestones ATTENTION !!!


3. Controlstation was in Schopsdorf 73,6Km after Nauen at a Autocourt/ Gasstation with restauration
At this time we make us ready for the nightride.
Last checktime: 2nd Day 9:35am

4. Controlstation Ditfurt in a Home Museum :thumbsup:

The best Controlstation of HBKH. The Night was cold and in the Museum it was very nice warm.
Best sleeping of HBKH. Verry good meal. Verry good shower room and sponsored towels.
Sleeping underground are  Isomatte and a blanket of fleece.

Verry good wakingupservice.
At Ditfurt the "Harz" is beginning. Little Hills everytimes.
Last checktime: 2nd Day 7:21pm

2nd Day!

Ditfurt - 277Km to Messinghausen

Hill up, hill down everytime through the "Harz"

5th Controlstaton was in Lütgenrode at a gasstation or for free.Km147,4 after Ditfurt
Last checktime: 3rd Day 7:37am

6th controlstation Messinghausen 277,2km after Ditfurt 737km total
ready for sleeping.
small showerroom. it was verry cold.
Sleeping underground are  Isomatte and a blanket of fleece.
1st and 2nd Bagdropstation was here.
The last 500 meters to the controlstation was very strong hill up.
Verry good service from the personal. Thank you all.


...more next time


Peter
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Sabine on 07 October, 2009, 02:31:47 pm
Hi Peter
Yes it is Sabine and Jack Williams

Looking forward to seeing you in Hamburg at the start.
Will PM you

Alles Gute
Sabine :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: vorsprung on 07 October, 2009, 03:23:19 pm
I've printed off the info, but (forgive me for being thick if it's in there somewhere) I can't see a date for this.

There's been a recent welcome improvement on this forum. Gaze at the following snapshot of the front page:

         Saltire 200k Perm - Saturday 3rd October 2009
      HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg « 1 2 3 »    
      Gower Getter 200 10/10 Roll Call?
      18th October Wylye and Ebble Valley 200k - roll call
      Upper Thames 200 - 07-NOV-2009
      Mid Sussex Hillier / Hilly 24th October
      Anfractous 200km & Nyctophobic 100km, October 10th 2009


Can you see the odd one out? (Not meaning to have a go at Sabine, honestly!)

using my super web foo I have found the following document

http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf

Which reveals that the date is 14th to 19th August 2010
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: Salvatore on 08 October, 2009, 11:15:53 am

using my super web foo

You mean you read other posts in this very thread (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=24201.msg438451#msg438451)?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: mattc on 08 October, 2009, 11:53:00 am
Life would be easier if the thread title - like all the others I quoted - had the date in.

I did suggest this to Sabine, but either she misunderstood me or doesn't know how to change it.

This probably seems incredibly anal to most readers, but I find it very helpful :-/
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 08 October, 2009, 12:02:45 pm

This probably seems incredibly anal to most readers

Yes
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 08 October, 2009, 12:21:07 pm
The dates are now in the original heading for this thread.

Apologies for omitting them in the first place, didn't sort it out because I just presumed those people interested would take the time to follow the links kindly provided by others ;)

Come on everyone, enter it when the forms come out, you'll have a great time.

I promise :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg
Post by: mattc on 08 October, 2009, 12:21:34 pm

This probably seems incredibly anal to most readers

Yes
At least I'm right about something today!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 08 October, 2009, 01:19:50 pm
I must admit I had no idea you were commenting about the lack of date.

And the lack of date wasn't the only thing that was different about that thread, so I thought you were talking about something else entirely.

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Redlight on 08 October, 2009, 04:20:56 pm
This does look rather interesting.  I think what's particularly attractive is that it isn't an out and back route so more closely resembles a typical Audax than the other big events (see LEL discussions passim).  The only hassle is getting there, especially now that the old Harwich-Hamburg ferry, which I used many times as a youngster, is no longer running.  I guess from the south of England, harwich-Hook of Holland is the best bet, followed by a train or a couple of days' riding.

Sadly I can't commit at the moment but let's hope they will still be open for entries come the spring... :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Koeln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 08 October, 2009, 04:59:11 pm
The dates are now in the original heading for this thread.

Apologies for omitting them in the first place, didn't sort it out because I just presumed those people interested would take the time to follow the links kindly provided by others ;)

Come on everyone, enter it when the forms come out, you'll have a great time.

I promise :)

I have to put in my request for 2010 annual leave by the end of October.  Just filled the form in and the week commencing Monday 16th August is there.   :thumbsup:

Will they sell weissbeer?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 08 October, 2009, 05:51:31 pm
You will be in Germany  so no control will be without beer.
Last time it was on, there were a lot of people drinking beer and I mean the cyclist not the helpers,  during the event anyway.  O:-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Climberruss on 08 October, 2009, 09:55:47 pm
You will be in Germany  so no control will be without beer.

Now that REALLY does sound like my kind of event!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Ivo on 09 November, 2009, 06:25:33 pm
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Phixie on 10 November, 2009, 03:27:33 pm
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.

Last time we agreed to accept any claims from riders who had completed the event, but in fact we received none, as I recall.  Unlikely to be any problem this coming time either, though as an overseas event it will have to be a claim, rather than the AUK system calculating it automatically.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Ivo on 10 November, 2009, 04:46:58 pm
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.

Last time we agreed to accept any claims from riders who had completed the event, but in fact we received none, as I recall.  Unlikely to be any problem this coming time either, though as an overseas event it will have to be a claim, rather than the AUK system calculating it automatically.

 :thumbsup:
Or AUK could ask Heino to hand over the list of finishers who identified themselves as AUK members. That's what I do for my BRM series.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 10 November, 2009, 04:50:26 pm
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition. Which means that AUKs riding HBKH can't be sure of a direct acceptance of your HBKH for the various AUK point scores. At least if everyone leans back. So now it's time to file a request to the relevant authorities in AUK to make an exception for HBKH.

Last time we agreed to accept any claims from riders who had completed the event, but in fact we received none, as I recall. 

But riders were credited with AUK points whether they wanted them or not.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: Salvatore on 11 November, 2009, 02:14:41 pm
Registration now open:
Anmeldung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/228)

Entry form:
Anmeldung HBK 2010 | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/Anmeldung_HBK10)

Entry fee of €152.70 includes:
- 1527 km ride
- Pre-ride pasta party
- Breakfast on morning of the ride.
- Sleep and food at the main controls
- T-shirt
- Medal

Entry will be complete only when entry fee is received. Passport photo (as .jpg) also required.

Accommodation suggestions:
Ãœbernachtung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/225)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 11 November, 2009, 02:37:42 pm
Which is better: this or 1001 miglia italia?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 11 November, 2009, 03:15:09 pm
Which is better: this or 1001 miglia italia?


There's only one way to find out - fight ride both (not possible this year).
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: iddu on 11 November, 2009, 04:00:07 pm
Registration now open:

What's Germanic sizing like? 40-42"...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: hellymedic on 11 November, 2009, 04:18:41 pm
Registration now open:

What's Germanic sizing like? 40-42"...

Looking at Tchibo's website, medium-large. If your actual chest measurement is over 40", get L.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: vorsprung on 11 November, 2009, 04:31:43 pm
Registration now open:

What's Germanic sizing like? 40-42"...

Looking at Tchibo's website, medium-large. If your actual chest measurement is over 40", get L.

I usually take a UK large but my kraftwerk jersey is a medium
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 11 November, 2009, 04:42:06 pm
Err on the large side.

If the worst comes to the Wurst, use it as an overcoat.

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/HBK06_01_0019_VOR_PICT1159.jpg)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 11 November, 2009, 05:52:41 pm
The entry form says 1200/1500km, but I can't see any place in the form that says I'm entering the 1500 rather than the 1200. Can anyone enlighten me as to why its 1200/1500? Do you get 12 points if you pack at Koln?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Really Ancien on 11 November, 2009, 06:25:24 pm
Err on the large side.

If the worst comes to the Wurst, use it as an overcoat.

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/HBK06_01_0019_VOR_PICT1159.jpg)

That's a big box of fags, are they included free at controls with the beer?

Damon.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: valkyrie on 11 November, 2009, 09:39:03 pm
Registration now open:
Entry will be complete only when entry fee is received. Passport photo (as .jpg) also required.

err - how did you work that out? With my knowledge of German (i.e. none) and the use of Babel Fish I've got as far as completing the on-line registration. I'm now completely stumped as to how to pay the money and I've not even seen any mention of a passport photo or a means of attaching. ???

Help!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: Schlusslicht on 11 November, 2009, 10:04:47 pm
err - how did you work that out? With my knowledge of German (i.e. none) and the use of Babel Fish I've got as far as completing the on-line registration. I'm now completely stumped as to how to pay the money and I've not even seen any mention of a passport photo or a means of attaching. ???

Help!
I'm German - and I even didn't find it too.

A friend gave me a tip for the money:
Kontoverbindung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/konto)
This information was very hidden in the impressum.

How to manage the jpg - I just don't know
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: Salvatore on 12 November, 2009, 10:42:24 am
err - how did you work that out? With my knowledge of German (i.e. none) and the use of Babel Fish I've got as far as completing the on-line registration. I'm now completely stumped as to how to pay the money and I've not even seen any mention of a passport photo or a means of attaching. ???

Help!
I'm German - and I even didn't find it too.

A friend gave me a tip for the money:
Kontoverbindung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/konto)
This information was very hidden in the impressum.

How to manage the jpg - I just don't know

On this (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/228) page:
Quote
Erst mit der Zahlung ist die Anmeldung komplett
and
Quote
Neben den Angaben bei der Anmeldung benötigen wir noch ein Passfoto (als JPG-Datei per E-Mail)

There is also a link on that page to Kontoverbindung (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/konto) (bank details).

[Edit] banks tend to charge a small fortune to transfer money. Last time some UK riders used alternative methods.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: Salvatore on 12 November, 2009, 10:47:43 am
How to manage the jpg - I just don't know

From the Q & A section:

Quote
Mailadresse für JPG-Bilder: Für die bereits Angemeldeten gibt es in einigen Tagen auch noch eine Sammelmail
wenn es ganz eilig ist : Mail(a)H-B-K.de

Threre'll be an email in a few days for those who have registered. If it's urgent, Mail(a)H-B-K.de.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 17 November, 2009, 09:52:39 pm
Hi everybody,

Just to say, I have just spoken to Heino the organizer and he has asked me if I would mind collecting the money for all you Auks.
He had a few emails telling him how steep the sending of money was.
He will be updating his homepage soon to this effect.
Sabine :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Ivo on 17 November, 2009, 10:45:04 pm
Good move. A network of national correspondents worked excellently for LEL.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 24 November, 2009, 09:10:39 pm
Hi all,
Just to let you know the Homepage has been updated ,it lets you know if you want to pay in sterling what to do.
Sabine :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 01 December, 2009, 11:04:42 am
Looks like I've persuaded the management that we both want to do this event next year after good reviews from those who rode last time so I've been having a look at possible ferries etc. As there is no direct ferry anymore? What do people think is the best route to get there other than flying.(routes via Italy not viable due to holiday restrictions :) )

Ideas?

Cheers


Registration now open:
Anmeldung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/228)

Entry form:
Anmeldung HBK 2010 | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/Anmeldung_HBK10)

Entry fee of €152.70 includes:
- 1527 km ride
- Pre-ride pasta party
- Breakfast on morning of the ride.
- Sleep and food at the main controls
- T-shirt
- Medal

Entry will be complete only when entry fee is received. Passport photo (as .jpg) also required.

Accommodation suggestions:
Ãœbernachtung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/225)

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 01 December, 2009, 01:01:50 pm
Sabine have just registered for HBKH but don't know how to pay or how to send a photo. Help!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: Ivo on 01 December, 2009, 05:00:59 pm
Looks like I've persuaded the management that we both want to do this event next year after good reviews from those who rode last time so I've been having a look at possible ferries etc. As there is no direct ferry anymore? What do people think is the best route to get there other than flying.(routes via Italy not viable due to holiday restrictions :) )

Ideas?

From your area I'd use the Newcastle - IJmuiden or the Hull - Rotterdam. From the Dutch coast there are lot's of trains to Berlin passing through, or close to Hamburg. If you book early via the German railways site you could get a ticket as cheap as 29 Euro. A biketicket is 12 Euro, a place for your bike has to be reserved.
Alternatively you could team up with some of the Dutch HBKH participants and travel together with them.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10) Registration Open
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 01 December, 2009, 05:18:33 pm
Thanks for all the good info Ivo :thumbsup:

Looks like I've persuaded the management that we both want to do this event next year after good reviews from those who rode last time so I've been having a look at possible ferries etc. As there is no direct ferry anymore? What do people think is the best route to get there other than flying.(routes via Italy not viable due to holiday restrictions :) )

Ideas?

From your area I'd use the Newcastle - IJmuiden or the Hull - Rotterdam. From the Dutch coast there are lot's of trains to Berlin passing through, or close to Hamburg. If you book early via the German railways site you could get a ticket as cheap as 29 Euro. A biketicket is 12 Euro, a place for your bike has to be reserved.
Alternatively you could team up with some of the Dutch HBKH participants and travel together with them.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 01 December, 2009, 05:25:43 pm
Hi Megajoules,

There is a thread already for people travelling to this from Scotland - http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22600.0 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22600.0)

Feel free to post on that thread if you and Dick want to share transport. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 01 December, 2009, 05:26:08 pm
Sabine have just registered for HBKH but don't know how to pay or how to send a photo. Help!
I've registered. Or at least I think I have.  :-\
Is registering simply a case of sending the form with name address club etc? I sent mine a couple of days ago, should I expect to hear anything back?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 02 December, 2009, 11:03:07 am
Thanks Valkyrie,

I hadn't paid attention to that thread as I didn't think we'd be going.But now........ :D

Better spend the winter brushing up on Meine sehr bischen deutsche :o



Hi Megajoules,

There is a thread already for people travelling to this from Scotland - http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22600.0 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22600.0)

Feel free to post on that thread if you and Dick want to share transport. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Martin on 02 December, 2009, 09:17:28 pm
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition.

will Lowlands 1200 be eligible?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Ivo on 02 December, 2009, 09:29:14 pm
Just a small point regarding the rulebooks. Due to a conflict in Germany HBKH can't get LRM recognition.

will Lowlands 1200 be eligible?

Certainly. The LRM vice-president is one of the co-organisers ;)
As far as the first rumours are, the relevant authorities of AUK won't be bothered with the German conflict and accept HBKH for AUK points.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 05 December, 2009, 09:35:21 am
36 entries so far with 13 of those from the UK.

Or possibly 35 entries with 12 from the UK, as one name appears twice.

Rumour has it that the Muur van Messinghausen might not feature this time. Shame.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 05 December, 2009, 05:03:12 pm
Anyone know what the german is for "Are we nearly there yet?"  8)

36 entries so far with 13 of those from the UK.

Or possibly 35 entries with 12 from the UK, as one name appears twice.

Rumour has it that the Muur van Messinghausen might not feature this time. Shame.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 05 December, 2009, 06:26:45 pm
Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 05 December, 2009, 07:23:10 pm
Or possibly 35 entries with 12 from the UK, as one name appears twice.


Ah, Phil Jurczyk is like New York. 

So good they named him twice. 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 05 December, 2009, 08:21:37 pm
Good philosophy FY. I'll recite that mantra during any dark times on the ride. ;)

Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 06 December, 2009, 04:02:58 pm
Hi all back from a very wet Finnistere,
Once you have sent your entry via email,you can send money to me or direct to the organizer you will not hear anything from Heino
 apart  from that your name appears on the entry list.
The day before the start will be a registration day where you will get all your bits and bobs.
Looking forward to seeing you all there.
especially Mr Spooner Large Schnitzel for you.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: DanialW on 27 December, 2009, 09:55:22 pm
My cheque's been cashed, and I've completed my application form.

Is there a route sheet or gpx file knocking around at all?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bigsybaby on 29 December, 2009, 06:59:23 pm
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 29 December, 2009, 07:06:55 pm
My cheque's been cashed, and I've completed my application form.

Is there a route sheet or gpx file knocking around at all?

I've got the routesheet from last time (2006) as a series of pdfs.

If anyone is interested in having a copy (if only to see the format of the routesheet), send me a PM and I can email  it, but bear in mind that the route & controls are likely to be different next year.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 29 December, 2009, 09:33:25 pm
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!

If you didn't only do "easy" 600s and had a decent amount of time to spare then you should be ok.  The pace on a 1500 is only 12.5kph so giving more sleep time than 15kph.  I say go for it.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: MSeries on 29 December, 2009, 09:39:10 pm
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!
Go for it. I did 2005 LEL in my first year of Audaxing. In late December 2004 I'd done no randonees, only done 200km once in my life. It'll be a superb achievement, you have more than 6 months to get fit enough.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Panoramix on 31 December, 2009, 03:12:01 pm
Having left Germany 48 years ago aged 3, I have only been there since to go to a wedding. This would be a marvellous opportunity to return. My brother was born in Hamburg and I lived almost all of my time in Berlin. However, I have only done a handful of 600's and I am not sure I am fit enough yet to do this distance. Maybe this will be a motivator!
Go for it. I did 2005 LEL in my first year of Audaxing. In late December 2004 I'd done no randonees, only done 200km once in my life. It'll be a superb achievement, you have more than 6 months to get fit enough.

+1

My first randonnee was in Dec 08 (a 200) and I managed LEL 09 easily. I found my first 400 - the Brevet Cymru - tougher from a psychological point of view than LEL. Assuming you ride on a regular basis till HBKH you will be OK!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 21 January, 2010, 10:14:40 pm
Anyone found any decent, cheapish accomodation at the start? I'm not entirely sure where the start is, so I'm not doing very well at finding accomodation. :-[
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 21 January, 2010, 11:29:12 pm
Anyone found any decent, cheapish accomodation at the start? I'm not entirely sure where the start is, so I'm not doing very well at finding accomodation. :-[

I assume you have seen the links here Anmeldung | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/228)

Judging by the location of these hotels the start is in the vicinity of Ahrensburg, about 25km north east of the centre of Hamburg
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 22 January, 2010, 10:24:28 am
Anyone found any decent, cheapish accomodation at the start? I'm not entirely sure where the start is, so I'm not doing very well at finding accomodation. :-[

Start/finish at Grosshansdorf (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=grosshansdorf&sll=51.377138,-1.062627&sspn=0.006228,0.01929&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Gro%C3%9Fhansdorf,+Stormarn,+Schleswig-Holstein,+Germany&z=13)

Something else to bear in mind: Last time, with a start time of 5 a.m., it was possible to sleep at the HQ in Grosshansdorf the night before the start. A sleeping bag on a mat on a hard floor isn't everyone's cup of tea, I know, but as you are probably going to have to get up at about 3:30 anyway, it's worth bearing in mind, and some people might prefer this option. I don't know if this will be available in 2010.

I'll probably be camping.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 23 January, 2010, 12:36:47 pm
There is an Anmeldeliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/235) on the website. If you are on this list, you have registered and your payment has been received*. Nationalities represented:

Germany 9
UK (including Schottland) 8
Netherlands (including Holland) 3
Greece 1
Denmark 1
Todmorden 1


*Thanks Sabine
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: DanialW on 23 January, 2010, 01:27:57 pm
Todmorden 1

That'll be me then! Guess I better brush up on my German, especially as I got a pass out for another Schleswig Holstein big ride in July.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 23 January, 2010, 08:17:59 pm
There is an Anmeldeliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/235) on the website. If you are on this list, you have registered and your payment has been received*. Nationalities represented:

Germany 9
UK (including Schottland) 8
Netherlands (including Holland) 3
Greece 1
Denmark 1
Todmorden 1


*Thanks Sabine


My cheque has been cashed, and my name appeared on a previous version of this online list, but its not there any more.  Should I be worried?

Graeme Fraser Wyllie - Edinburgh Road Club & Audax Ecosse
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 23 January, 2010, 08:30:54 pm

My cheque has been cashed, and my name appeared on a previous version of this online list, but its not there any more.  Should I be worried?

Graeme Fraser Wyllie - Edinburgh Road Club & Audax Ecosse
My cheque has b

Aye, I wonder if this list is current? For a while I had the embarrassment of being first on the list, then I'm sure an Italian guy had that dubious honour. Also, the list I've bookmarked has him on, plus you and otherdave, and McNasty and Maverick
http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/231 (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/231)
Not sure what's going on but I think the one I've linked to may be the current list of entrants, cos I'm fairly sure Maverick signed up only very recently.  :-\
A total of 10 from Schottlandtshire ATM.  :P :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 23 January, 2010, 08:47:33 pm
The Reservierungsliste  (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/231) has all the people who have registered, the Anmeldeliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/235) only those whose payment has been registered.

It does say on the Anmeldeliste:
Quote
Die Datenübernahme geschieht nicht automatisch. Es kann einige Tage dauern, bis der Zahlungseingang gebucht ist.

The data transfer does not occur automatically. It can take several days before the payment is registered.

I imagine the 2-stage payment (via Sabine) for us AUKS can take even longer.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 23 January, 2010, 09:14:30 pm
The Reservierungsliste  (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/231) has all the people who have registered, the Anmeldeliste (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/235) only those whose payment has been registered.

It does say on the Anmeldeliste:
Quote
Die Datenübernahme geschieht nicht automatisch. Es kann einige Tage dauern, bis der Zahlungseingang gebucht ist.

The data transfer does not occur automatically. It can take several days before the payment is registered.

I imagine the 2-stage payment (via Sabine) for us AUKS can take even longer.

OK Salvatore.  I'll relax!

Graeme
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 23 January, 2010, 09:22:49 pm
My cheque has b

...ounced?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 23 January, 2010, 09:28:19 pm
My cheque has b

...ounced?  ;) ;D

no, I checked it's definitely been cashed. 

Dont judge us all by your own standards.   :demon:

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 27 January, 2010, 09:25:39 pm
Hi all,
Just to let you know everybody who has paid me will be on the list in the next day or to.
Anybody who can't send the photo as a pdf can send it to Heino directly all you have to do is print your name on the
back of the photo so he knows who you are.!!!!
Don't hesitate to get in touch whith me if you got any problems. ::-)
Sabine
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Graeme Wyllie on 28 January, 2010, 11:15:13 am
Hi all,
Just to let you know everybody who has paid me will be on the list in the next day or to.
Anybody who can't send the photo as a pdf can send it to Heino directly all you have to do is print your name on the
back of the photo so he knows who you are.!!!!
Don't hesitate to get in touch whith me if you got any problems. ::-)
Sabine

Thanks for your help on this Sabine.  Much appreciated.

Graeme

or is it Fraser.....?
 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 15 February, 2010, 11:14:35 pm
Hi all,
Just to let you know everybody who has paid me will be on the list in the next day or to.
Anybody who can't send the photo as a pdf can send it to Heino directly all you have to do is print your name on the
back of the photo so he knows who you are.!!!!
Don't hesitate to get in touch whith me if you got any problems. ::-)
Sabine

I'm not on the list yet! :'( And I can't work out where I email the photo to :-[

Neil Fraser
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 16 February, 2010, 04:18:44 pm
I sent mine by post so if you want the address just let me know.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 23 April, 2010, 10:43:07 pm
Hi all
Just to let anybody who want's to do the ride know that the closing entry is 30/06/2010.
If you want to go through me its a week before to let your cheque go through the system.
Looks like we have a good turn out. :thumbsup:
Sabine
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 28 May, 2010, 12:01:10 pm
Hi all,
Just to let you know out of 48 Riders who have paid up so far 22 come from the UK/scotland.Not bad at all.
A reminder the ride entry will close on the 30/06/2010.If you would like to go through me it will be a week before to let the cheque clear.
If you wan't  to buy a cycle top from the event it is now avaible to order trough the HBKH site.
Sabine :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 17 July, 2010, 02:35:38 pm
Hi all,

Just to let all of you know that the following are now on the website

a. GPX file
b. KLM file
C Route sheet

See you all in Hamburg. ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 23 July, 2010, 06:26:42 pm
Bicycle Path - HBKH 2010 at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/HBKH-2010)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 23 July, 2010, 07:18:24 pm
Whatever you do, don't look at the elevation profile.  :o
 :'(
I'm glad I've bought a cassette with bigger sprockets.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 23 July, 2010, 09:05:25 pm
You really should know better by now  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: salar55 on 25 July, 2010, 12:16:29 pm
Hi Had a look at the profile.   Not much climbing 4 mtrs per kilometer and a max climb of 250-300m .   Just as a comparison the Etape has 4500m for 180 kms  and the snow roads 3900m in 300km. Looks like you will have a very fast audax for the distance. Have a good time. Remember to post times .
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 25 July, 2010, 07:34:06 pm
Bicycle Path - HBKH 2010 at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/HBKH-2010)

Hi Pingu - Did you create that route yourself or is that the official download? Seems to go through a lot of fields ???

I'm going to get a GPS for this one and while I'm still desperately trying to make up my mind which one to buy, it would worry me quite a bit if that's the route data provided!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 25 July, 2010, 09:51:20 pm
Hi all,
The route sheet provided is very good we had no problems last time and I don't think anybody will have problems this time.A lot of the time you will be on cyclepath that other roaduser cant use.
Nearly all the helpers in Germany have ridden this ride a short while ago to make sure the routesheet is up to date.
The beginning and last stage of the ride is fairly flat the rest is very undulating/hilly .Hope you are all ready for it when is everybody leaving for Hamburg some of us are going over wednesday.
See you all there. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 25 July, 2010, 11:27:51 pm
Bicycle Path - HBKH 2010 at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/HBKH-2010)

Hi Pingu - Did you create that route yourself or is that the official download? Seems to go through a lot of fields ???

I'm going to get a GPS for this one and while I'm still desperately trying to make up my mind which one to buy, it would worry me quite a bit if that's the route data provided!

Compiled from official download
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 30 July, 2010, 10:52:38 am
Just been to the physio about my knee. He tells me I could be OK to do HBKH. That's good news. But he wouldn't say I would be OK to do it. I will still go. If I am unable to ride I will take my bike and do some cycling and also hire a car and be some sort of support to our team. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Roberto on 30 July, 2010, 12:48:40 pm
Hi all,
The route sheet provided is very good we had no problems last time and I don't think anybody will have problems this time.A lot of the time you will be on cyclepath that other roaduser cant use.
Nearly all the helpers in Germany have ridden this ride a short while ago to make sure the routesheet is up to date.
The beginning and last stage of the ride is fairly flat the rest is very undulating/hilly .Hope you are all ready for it when is everybody leaving for Hamburg some of us are going over wednesday.
See you all there. :thumbsup:

Hi Sabine
 The Scottish contingent are leaving on the overnight ferry on Thursday from Newcastle so hope to be at the start around lunchtime on Friday for the pre event checks etc. We have a hotel in Siek for the Friday night so a short ride to the start for a 6am depart.

See you at the start

Cheers
Roberto
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 30 July, 2010, 03:50:35 pm
Just been to the physio about my knee. He tells me I could be OK to do HBKH. That's good news. But he wouldn't say I would be OK to do it. I will still go. If I am unable to ride I will take my bike and do some cycling and also hire a car and be some sort of support to our team. Here's hoping.

Fingers crossed Bodach. 

Just take up an unfamiliar  ;) place towards the back of the autobus écossais (the back row is now looking full, very few places left) and keep me company dawdling up the hills.     
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 30 July, 2010, 06:15:25 pm
Just been to the physio about my knee. He tells me I could be OK to do HBKH. That's good news. But he wouldn't say I would be OK to do it. I will still go. If I am unable to ride I will take my bike and do some cycling and also hire a car and be some sort of support to our team. Here's hoping.

Fingers crossed Bodach. 

Just take up an unfamiliar  ;) place towards the back of the autobus écossais (the back row is now looking full, very few places left) and keep me company dawdling up the hills.     
Aye, fingers crossed for Bodach.
Will we be having community singing oan ra bus?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 30 July, 2010, 09:42:02 pm
According to the "Cycling" magazine that arrived yesterday, bicycle bells are compulsory in Germany. Are we likely to get stopped and checked? Is there bike checks before the start?

I also recall reading something somewhere about wheel reflectors. Are these compulsory or did I imagine it?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 30 July, 2010, 09:42:59 pm
Thanks lads for the support. I've also got some on my leg at the mo' in a very fashionable bright red as seen in the Euro champs in Barcelona. So in Germany a yell isnae as guid as a bell.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 31 July, 2010, 04:41:58 pm
There is no Bike check and you will not be stopped for not having a bell.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 03 August, 2010, 11:12:48 pm
You can probably tell I'm worrying about this now... ::-)

Some more questions that I can't find answers to (mainly 'cos I can't read German)

Is there a bag drop service? If so, what control do you get your bag at?

For the sleeping controls - is any bedding provided or do I need a sleeping bag in my drop-bag or in my saddle bag?

Away to lie awake for a while.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 04 August, 2010, 07:24:42 am
valkyrie, according to this (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf), they "will organise a luggage transport to the two main control points (roughly at km 450 and km 1100)." Doesn't mention cosy feather beds though.  :-\

I'm taking bookings for the Pensioners' Autobus but I'm afraid you're much too young to qualify for your bus pass.  :P

EDIT: Now that I'm beginning to wake up, I've noticed that it also says "board and lodging is planned at control point Quedlingburg (km 450)." I guess the second main control point may be the same.

I'm really looking forward to the "abundant changes in altitude".   :-X
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 August, 2010, 09:33:45 am
valkyrie, according to this (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf), they "will organise a luggage transport to the two main control points (roughly at km 450 and km 1100)." Doesn't mention cosy feather beds though.  :-\

I'm taking bookings for the Pensioners' Autobus but I'm afraid you're much too young to qualify for your bus pass.  :P

EDIT: Now that I'm beginning to wake up, I've noticed that it also says "board and lodging is planned at control point Quedlingburg (km 450)." I guess the second main control point may be the same.

I'm really looking forward to the "abundant changes in altitude".   :-X

I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.  

It looks reasonably clear that theres a single bag drop at Messinghausen (740 and 1130)

I also spy a picture of a sleeping mat at Ditfurt (460 km), Messignhausen (740 km), Herkenrath (950 km) and Messinghausen again at 1130 km.  

Maybe the ever helpful Sabine could also tell us if we need to bring bed mats / sleeping bags to use at these controls?  

Dont worry about the changes in altitude, according to salar55 its an easy ride and we'll be racing round.  

EDIT : Valkyrie - looks like we have timed our worrying almost to perfection.  I was out in the garage last night fitting the uber wide range 11-34 "satellite dish" cassette on to my bike [surely the pensioners will welcome me into the fold now!!] as well as fretting over what to put in my bag drop, brakes, which bag to take, cleats, socks, how may spare tubes, which pump, arm warmers etc etc etc etc.  Riding the bike is the easy bit!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 04 August, 2010, 03:14:05 pm
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.  
???
Can somebody - anybody - please post a link to the routesheet pdf. Ah cannae find it.  :-[

PS, Bairn Again, you didn't come across my arm warmers last night, did you?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Roberto on 04 August, 2010, 03:30:44 pm
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.  
???
Can somebody - anybody - please post a link to the routesheet pdf. Ah cannae find it.  :-[

PS, Bairn Again, you didn't come across my arm warmers last night, did you?

Hi Eck
 You will find the pdf files at this link

Strecke (Teilstücke) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/HBK10_Strecke)

Cheers
Roberto
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 August, 2010, 03:32:08 pm
I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.  
???
Can somebody - anybody - please post a link to the routesheet pdf. Ah cannae find it.  :-[

PS, Bairn Again, you didn't come across my arm warmers last night, did you?

Here goes Eck - Strecke (Teilstücke) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/HBK10_Strecke).

At the middle of this page, at the bottom theres a list headed up "Anhang" which are the 7 pfd route sheet documents.  HTH (but I've no' got your armwarmers!)  

EDIT : ROBERTO BEAT ME TO IT!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 04 August, 2010, 03:38:06 pm
Thanks chaps.  :thumbsup:

Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers.  :-\
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Roberto on 04 August, 2010, 03:50:26 pm
You can probably tell I'm worrying about this now... ::-)

Some more questions that I can't find answers to (mainly 'cos I can't read German)

Is there a bag drop service? If so, what control do you get your bag at?

For the sleeping controls - is any bedding provided or do I need a sleeping bag in my drop-bag or in my saddle bag?

Away to lie awake for a while.

Hi Neil
 The website has been updated with more info today but just to put your mind at rest here is an extract

We offer the inspection Ditfurt km 460 / Messinghausen km 740 and km 1130 / 1130 km Lindern Sleeps in the form of sleeping mat and blanket. In the Nature House (Herkenrath / km 950) there are even beds. We will also set a wake up call.
Cheers
Roberto
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 04 August, 2010, 03:57:15 pm
valkyrie, according to this (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf), they "will organise a luggage transport to the two main control points (roughly at km 450 and km 1100)." Doesn't mention cosy feather beds though.  :-\

I'm taking bookings for the Pensioners' Autobus but I'm afraid you're much too young to qualify for your bus pass.  :P

EDIT: Now that I'm beginning to wake up, I've noticed that it also says "board and lodging is planned at control point Quedlingburg (km 450)." I guess the second main control point may be the same.

I'm really looking forward to the "abundant changes in altitude".   :-X

I have just printed the rouute sheet pdf's.  

It looks reasonably clear that theres a single bag drop at Messinghausen (740 and 1130)

I also spy a picture of a sleeping mat at Ditfurt (460 km), Messignhausen (740 km), Herkenrath (950 km) and Messinghausen again at 1130 km.  

Maybe the ever helpful Sabine could also tell us if we need to bring bed mats / sleeping bags to use at these controls?  

Dont worry about the changes in altitude, according to salar55 its an easy ride and we'll be racing round.  

EDIT : Valkyrie - looks like we have timed our worrying almost to perfection.  I was out in the garage last night fitting the uber wide range 11-34 "satellite dish" cassette on to my bike [surely the pensioners will welcome me into the fold now!!] as well as fretting over what to put in my bag drop, brakes, which bag to take, cleats, socks, how may spare tubes, which pump, arm warmers etc etc etc etc.  Riding the bike is the easy bit!

http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/314 (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/314) This link says that there are sleeping facilities at:
Heimatmuseum Ditfurt /  km 460
Schützenhaus Messinghausen / km 740
Naturfreundehaus Herkenrath / km 950
Schützenhaus Messinghausen / km 1130
Feuerwehr Lindern / km 1330

Also confirms single bag drop at Messinghausen 740km and 1130km
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 04 August, 2010, 04:48:30 pm
I am fervently anticipating yet-another entertaining  RR in the next Arrivée:

Audax Ecosse on the Bummel

<insert scottish equivalent of bon route!>
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 August, 2010, 04:53:46 pm
You can probably tell I'm worrying about this now... ::-)

Some more questions that I can't find answers to (mainly 'cos I can't read German)

Is there a bag drop service? If so, what control do you get your bag at?

For the sleeping controls - is any bedding provided or do I need a sleeping bag in my drop-bag or in my saddle bag?

Away to lie awake for a while.

Hi Neil
 The website has been updated with more info today but just to put your mind at rest here is an extract

We offer the inspection Ditfurt km 460 / Messinghausen km 740 and km 1130 / 1130 km Lindern Sleeps in the form of sleeping mat and blanket. In the Nature House (Herkenrath / km 950) there are even beds. We will also set a wake up call.
Cheers
Roberto

Excellent Roberto, those German lessons have paid off already!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Cyclops on 04 August, 2010, 04:55:35 pm

Audax Ecosse on the Bummel


Strangely, I'm thinking more along the lines of "The Walmington-on-Sea platoon go in search of Jones' arm warmers" ;)

Best of luck and watch oot for those sausages.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 04 August, 2010, 05:57:58 pm
Thanks chaps.  :thumbsup:

Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers.  :-\
 
 Eck, I have a spare pair if you need them. Cheers, or should I say prost, Phillip
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Roberto on 04 August, 2010, 06:57:27 pm
Thanks chaps.  :thumbsup:

Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers.  :-\

Yes and very nice they were too  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 04 August, 2010, 07:11:50 pm
Thanks chaps.  :thumbsup:

Roberto, have you seen my arm warmers.  :-\

Yes and very nice they were too  ;D
:P
Aye, I know: they were the only Assos stuff I ever had.  :'(


 Eck, I have a spare pair if you need them.

Mighty kind of you Phil, but I've just been on to Chain Reaction. After all, what's a big ride like this without a last-minute panic buy?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 04 August, 2010, 08:48:58 pm

Audax Ecosse on the Bummel


Strangely, I'm thinking more along the lines of "The Walmington-on-Sea platoon go in search of Jones' arm warmers" ;)

Best of luck and watch oot for those sausages.

Cyclops's description sounds likely.  I consider myself to be ideal for the role of Fraser.

I also note that the organisers have helpfully arranged for the control at Messinghausen to be at a shooting club, which should make us feel like we're in Paisley.    ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: otherdave on 04 August, 2010, 10:09:28 pm
Has anyone had time to check out the control cut off times?
the first three sheets end times do not seem to compute with
the overall time given of 128 hours for the 1535k ( the last few sheets do though)

Abschnitt 1: Seite -1 – Stadtbad Nauen 270k says 14.08.10 -  23:00 h
Abschnitt 2: Seite – 2  Ditfurt 460k says 15.08.10 – 12:40h
Abschnitt 3: Seite – 2  Messinghausen 740k says 16.08.10 – 07.20h

Perhaps they should read:-
Abschnitt 1: Seite -1 – Stadtbad Nauen 270k 15.08.10 – 05.00h
Abschnitt 2: Seite – 2  Ditfurt 460k  15.08.10 – 20.20h
Abschnitt 3: Seite – 2  Messinghausen 740k  16.08.10 – 19.40h

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 04 August, 2010, 10:33:11 pm
Looks like a PBP style split, with more time for the second half than the 1st half. I suppose if we took 22 hours for a pan flat 270km we'd have bugger-all chance of finishing anyway. I'll aim for the control at 460km as my first sleep stop.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: cyrene on 04 August, 2010, 10:39:53 pm
Has anyone had time to check out the control cut off times?
the first three sheets end times do not seem to compute with
the overall time given of 128 hours for the 1535k ( the last few sheets do though)

Abschnitt 1: Seite -1 – Stadtbad Nauen 270k says 14.08.10 -  23:00 h
Abschnitt 2: Seite – 2  Ditfurt 460k says 15.08.10 – 12:40h
Abschnitt 3: Seite – 2  Messinghausen 740k says 16.08.10 – 07.20h

 

You should ride the first "easy" 740k with an average of 15km/h to build up some spare time for the "hard" part that follows after Messinghausen. From Messinghausen you can go with an average of 12km/h.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Roberto on 05 August, 2010, 08:31:55 am
Due to the limited number of helpers they have upped the initial minimum speed to get people through the early controls so that the helpers can move on to the later controls.

As Valkyrie suggests it would be best to have some time in hand for  the 'lumpy' bit in the middle  :P

Cheers
Roberto
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 05 August, 2010, 09:07:01 am
Yep ditto, I was thinking along the lines of first sleep at Ditfurt

Of course any plans will probably unravel quite quickly so I hesitate slightly before suggesting the “gentelman’s autobus” option below. 

Sat/Sun : Grosshansdorf – Ditfurt 460k (arrive circa 3am?) > sleep >
Sun : Ditfurt – M’hausen 277k > sleep >   
Monday : M’hausen – Herkenrath 210k > sleep >
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep
Weds : M’hausen – Lindern 197k > brief sleep
Leave Lindern late Weds night, 53k comedy nocturne to the petrol station at Verden then…..   
Thu : Verden – Grosshansdorf very slow team time trial for the final 160k, ensuring a finish before 14.00.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 05 August, 2010, 12:20:50 pm
This PDF (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf) says:  

Quote
The cycle must be equipped with adequate cycle lighting, reflective belts are a night-time requirement.

Is it German law that reflective belts are worn at night or is it just a suggestion by the organisers?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 05 August, 2010, 12:30:54 pm
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep

Tough day?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 05 August, 2010, 12:45:07 pm
This PDF (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/Super-Brevet_Englisch.pdf) says:  

Quote
The cycle must be equipped with adequate cycle lighting, reflective belts are a night-time requirement.

Is it German law that reflective belts are worn at night or is it just a suggestion by the organisers?

Whether it's a legal requirement or not, you could be disqualified on some events if you choose not to wear a reflective thing.  This was certainly the case for PBP.

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 05 August, 2010, 03:45:27 pm
I'll be wearing the Hi-Viz that I bought for PBP. Anyone travelling by car should have one anyway as (I think) they're mandatory in Germany for anyone in a car. Not to wear in the car, just in case it breaks down.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 05 August, 2010, 04:07:57 pm
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep

Tough day?

Probably the hardest section (on paper anyway).

With 950 km in the legs (fingers crossed) its in the thick of the "abundant changes in altitude" section and with a generally upward profile.  On heck.

Hi viz stuff noted too, thats another thing for my ever growing list of stuff!   
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 05 August, 2010, 04:34:56 pm
Just seen the handsome Cyclops sporting a Scotland top oh the front cover of Arrivee that would be ideal for HBKH. Anyone know where I can do a well planned last minute purchase as I have not got my Audax Ecosse top yet?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 05 August, 2010, 04:58:41 pm
Just seen the handsome Cyclops sporting a Scotland top oh the front cover of Arrivee that would be ideal for HBKH. Anyone know where I can do a well planned last minute purchase as I have not got my Audax Ecosse top yet?
ordered mine on Tuesday night, came today. :thumbsup:
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C0912 (http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C0912)

You better be quick though, they say they have only two L left. The L is a "neat" fit on me  :-[ so it should be fine for you.

If PBK have sold out, I think you can get them direct from Endura. Are they not just along the road from you anyway?

EDIT: if you want an Audax Ecosse top, you are welcome to mine. I never did like the design.  :o  ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: otherdave on 05 August, 2010, 10:58:27 pm
 
Monday : M’hausen – Herkenrath 210k > sleep >
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep
[/quote]

The 2006 info sheet assumes that this M’hausen to M’Hausen part was  to be ridden in one go !
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 06 August, 2010, 06:55:32 am
Thanks Eck,
have just ordered one from Edinburgh Bike but if your Audax Ecosse top is a medium could you bring it along as it would fit me, I will take my 1/2 LEL top.
ta Phillip
Just seen the handsome Cyclops sporting a Scotland top oh the front cover of Arrivee that would be ideal for HBKH. Anyone know where I can do a well planned last minute purchase as I have not got my Audax Ecosse top yet?
ordered mine on Tuesday night, came today. :thumbsup:
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C0912 (http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C0912)

You better be quick though, they say they have only two L left. The L is a "neat" fit on me  :-[ so it should be fine for you.

If PBK have sold out, I think you can get them direct from Endura. Are they not just along the road from you anyway?

EDIT: if you want an Audax Ecosse top, you are welcome to mine. I never did like the design.  :o  ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 06 August, 2010, 07:32:48 am
Thanks Eck,
have just ordered one from Edinburgh Bike but if your Audax Ecosse top is a medium could you bring it along as it would fit me, I will take my 1/2 LEL top.
ta Phillip
Phil,
Not sure about size, but it's a SS, full-zip. I'll bring it for you anyway.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 06 August, 2010, 08:09:18 am
Thanks Eck,
have just ordered one from Edinburgh Bike but if your Audax Ecosse top is a medium could you bring it along as it would fit me, I will take my 1/2 LEL top.
ta Phillip
Phil,
Not sure about size, but it's a SS, full-zip. I'll bring it for you anyway.  :thumbsup:

Phil - Im sure I saw these at the Tri Centre in Auld Reekie.  I toyed with getting one while ago but I dont like the fact that the top is mainly "royal" blue rather than "navy" blue.  Ive got some spare audax ecosse garb too that I'll bring along too.     

Eck - dont worry 'bout the design, the top secret project that is the audax ecosse pee bee pee 2011 maillot will be a real bobby dazzler.  You'll want one even if you're not going to paris.     
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Jedrik on 06 August, 2010, 09:48:40 am
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep

Tough day?

Probably the hardest section (on paper anyway).

With 950 km in the legs (fingers crossed) its in the thick of the "abundant changes in altitude" section and with a generally upward profile.  On heck.

It is very unrhythmical riding there. The ascents are not very long but steep enough for low gears and when you go down again you can hardly ever just let it roll because the roads might be in poor repair or too curved. And you have to do that again. And again. And again. It just does not let up to let you rest your legs or your mind for a while.
With that in mind, I will try to get there reasonably rested and with some time in hand so I can relax into the task.

Still, this bit makes me think if it is a wise move to take the bent which I am still not properly adjusted to. Or if I should give in to reason and take my normal ride. Or if I should prove I am sane by staying at home.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 06 August, 2010, 07:49:24 pm

Monday : M’hausen – Herkenrath 210k > sleep >
Tuesday : H’rath – M’Hausen 177k > sleep

The 2006 info sheet assumes that this M’hausen to M’Hausen part was  to be ridden in one go !
[/quote]

I was thinking of riding it in one go - although of course that depends on just how hilly the hills might be.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 06 August, 2010, 08:39:16 pm
Will somebody pls look after my penguin? He thought he was coming home on Thursday, not Friday  :-\
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Ivo on 06 August, 2010, 08:50:21 pm

Still, this bit makes me think if it is a wise move to take the bent which I am still not properly adjusted to. Or if I should give in to reason and take my normal ride. Or if I should prove I am sane by staying at home.

You managed both my 300 and my 400 with your recumbent. I'd suggest sticking to the tried and proven kit, the one you used during my brevets.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 06 August, 2010, 09:41:54 pm
Will somebody pls look after my penguin? He thought he was coming home on Thursday, not Friday  :-\
Don't you fret Mrs P. He's not coming home on Friday.
It's Saturday.  :'(

We'll look after him. After all, we're only going to Hamburg and Amsterdam. What could possibly happen?  O:-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 06 August, 2010, 09:47:23 pm
Leaving Germany on Friday, you know what I meant ;)
Quoth I: 'it's a good job you're going with some responsible adults'
Pffffth!!  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 08 August, 2010, 03:11:42 pm
Here's something to ponder:

Ditfurt - Messinghausen           269Km   2951m of ascent = 11m/km
Messinghausen - Herkenrath  205km   3156m of ascent = 15.4m/km
Herkenrath - Messinghausen  172km   2341m of ascent = 13.6m/km

Doing the Mille Cymru for training was a good idea ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 08 August, 2010, 03:40:50 pm
Can I just say that having inadvertently ridden bits of the route in the last 2 weeks, I'm looking forward to this ride immensely.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 08 August, 2010, 05:11:58 pm
Here's something to ponder:

Ditfurt - Messinghausen           269Km   2951m of ascent = 11m/km
Messinghausen - Herkenrath  205km   3156m of ascent = 15.4m/km
Herkenrath - Messinghausen  172km   2341m of ascent = 13.6m/km

Doing the Mille Cymru for training was a good idea ;D

So it'll be kind of like riding a 400k, then the Tayside Transgression, followed by the Deesside loop and the Dave Harris before a final 300k+ with a lumpy first 100k?

Thats good, for a moment there I thought it was going to be difficult.   ;)  :o

ps - Mav.  Excpetionally well done on the MC1000.  A most stupendous achievement.     

pps - Eck - Ive got the wheels with the Hope hubs to keep us awake as well.   :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 08 August, 2010, 06:40:59 pm
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 08 August, 2010, 07:03:02 pm
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?
I'm using GPS (Garmin Vista Hcx) and I find using tracks the best way on long routes (basically a moving map) - You can use routes but have to chop it up into quite short lengths to work inside the limit of points. The very latest tracks are here http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010 (http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010) - very good mapping website and a new one to me.

I'm still trying to work out the best way of chopping up all those route instruction into something I can use on the bike.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 08 August, 2010, 07:37:39 pm
So it'll be kind of like riding a 400k, then the Tayside Transgression, followed by the Deesside loop and the Dave Harris before a final 300k+ with a lumpy first 100k?
Thats good, for a moment there I thought it was going to be difficult.   ;)  :o
Ach, it's quite flat according to certain experts: 
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Hi Had a look at the profile.   Not much climbing
  :smug:

pps - Eck - Ive got the wheels with the Hope hubs to keep us awake as well.   :thumbsup:   
Moi?  ??? Virtually silent Campag hubs for me this time.  O:-)
But otherdave has joined The Band of Hope.  ::-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 08 August, 2010, 07:45:57 pm

ps - Mav.  Excpetionally well done on the MC1000.  A most stupendous achievement.     
 
Many thanks kind sir :)

Congrats on your 24hrTT distance - that qualifies you to lead the first 460km ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 08 August, 2010, 07:50:45 pm
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?
I'm using GPS (Garmin Vista Hcx) and I find using tracks the best way on long routes (basically a moving map) - You can use routes but have to chop it up into quite short lengths to work inside the limit of points. The very latest tracks are here http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010 (http://gps2maps.de/?gpx=Brevets/HBKH%202010/hbkh_2010) - very good mapping website and a new one to me.

I'm still trying to work out the best way of chopping up all those route instruction into something I can use on the bike.

That's the routes I'm looking at - with the same problem. My eTrex Visat truncates the Track data and won't let me auto-calculate the Routes. So the only obvious option is to follow Routes without the on-road stuff, which seems pretty rubbish. Wish I'd bought the GPS a few months ago, might have known what I was doing by now!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 08 August, 2010, 07:56:19 pm

 :hand: There is only One True Way. Eschew your gadgets, in McNasty trust you must. (http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Episode-3-star-wars-41383_1024_768.jpg)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: salar55 on 08 August, 2010, 10:20:04 pm
Looks like the Bikely post is mince, so i checked Snow Roads on Bikely 3100m of climbing .    Someone had better upload to Garmin connect or some AAA points will be lost.   Can compare climbing then.   Bikely gives less than 75% of climb compared to  last 2 times on my Garmin  so if true almost another 1500m of climbing.  Don't blame me for crap profiles in Bikely. Have a good time  
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Roberto on 09 August, 2010, 09:13:52 am
I'm sticking with thew low tech paper route sheet, tried and tested over many events if I get lost I've got my back up maps but the last few long distance events I've been on the route sheets have been pretty much spot on.

Old school I know but it works for me.

I'll see the Audax Ecosse crew on Thursday...ps don't forget you passport  ;)

Cheers
Roberto
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: MercuryKev on 09 August, 2010, 10:26:32 am
Anyone else here planning on using a GPS for this? I've just got a GPS but I'm struggling to work out how best to use the routes that have been supplied on the HBKH website. My problem is that I'd like to use Routes rather than tracks but my Garmin only allows 50 waypoints per route. Most of the segments have a lot more than that. Am I better just following tracks?

The way I plot routes allow up to 250 waypoints per route, so you can jut plot a route per day of the ride.  When it comes to tracks you have a 500 point limit per track.  I would plot a track per day and then use software to reduce the track point to below 500.  See this for more info : - (http://www.aukadia.net/gps/lwg_1.htm)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 09 August, 2010, 12:34:12 pm
I am going to rely on the official routesheet, supplemented by the twin insurance policies of [1] some pages ripped from a road atlas of Germany and [2] Herr Berwick.

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 09 August, 2010, 05:36:34 pm
The good news is I've now bought a road atlas of Germany and a highlighter :). The bad news is I'm in bed with a cold that started yesterday afternoon :(. I don't normally go on the sick for a cold, but I'm trying my best to be fit for Saturday. So Vit C, Day Nurse and off to bed for an afternoon's dozing. I'll take it real easy at work for the next couple of days and hopefully I'll be right as rain come Thursday. Or worst case Saturday.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 09 August, 2010, 07:27:33 pm

 :hand: There is only One True Way. Eschew your gadgets, in McNasty trust you must. (http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Episode-3-star-wars-41383_1024_768.jpg)

err - has he actually done this route before?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 10 August, 2010, 10:08:51 am
The good news is I've now bought a road atlas of Germany and a highlighter :). The bad news is I'm in bed with a cold that started yesterday afternoon :(. I don't normally go on the sick for a cold, but I'm trying my best to be fit for Saturday. So Vit C, Day Nurse and off to bed for an afternoon's dozing. I'll take it real easy at work for the next couple of days and hopefully I'll be right as rain come Thursday. Or worst case Saturday.

Good news - I bought a map of Germany last night.

Bad news - on closer inspection last night the scale is such that it doesnt show about 90% of the places we are cycling through.  

That's £4.99 down the drain.  Bugger.

Off to the Gyle centre at lunchtime to get a proper one!!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 10 August, 2010, 01:18:16 pm
Each passenger will have 3 pieces of carry-on luggage: Saddle bag, drop-bag and travel bag. Each of these will be soft and small.

My drop bag & travel bag were going to be the same. Would it be better to split them  ???  
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 10 August, 2010, 02:10:58 pm
Each passenger will have 3 pieces of carry-on luggage: Saddle bag, drop-bag and travel bag. Each of these will be soft and small.

My drop bag & travel bag were going to be the same. Would it be better to split them  ???  

Plenty of room in the car if you want to split them
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 10 August, 2010, 08:11:02 pm
Have fun chaps, and make sure you have plenty of stories to tell me about how hot/hard/hilly/rainy is was  ;) :thumbsup:  The cafe in Meigle has comfy sofas so I'll not be moving...

I'll be thinking of you as a struggle along on my commute to work.... :-*
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: bodach on 10 August, 2010, 09:53:11 pm
Hope you are feeling better after your cold Bairn. I have 3 maps of the route which show all the roads we cover. I'm also taking my Emu oil to rub on my knee which is getting better. I'm off to the physio again tomorrow morning at 7 to get my last treatment and the go ahead I hope. Still haven't decided what to take but it looks like my fifty year old Carradice bag will see some action if the present inhabitants don't mind too much.
The good news is I've now bought a road atlas of Germany and a highlighter :). The bad news is I'm in bed with a cold that started yesterday afternoon :(. I don't normally go on the sick for a cold, but I'm trying my best to be fit for Saturday. So Vit C, Day Nurse and off to bed for an afternoon's dozing. I'll take it real easy at work for the next couple of days and hopefully I'll be right as rain come Thursday. Or worst case Saturday.

Good news - I bought a map of Germany last night.

Bad news - on closer inspection last night the scale is such that it doesnt show about 90% of the places we are cycling through.  

That's £4.99 down the drain.  Bugger.

Off to the Gyle centre at lunchtime to get a proper one!!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 11 August, 2010, 06:49:50 pm
Each passenger will have 3 pieces of carry-on luggage: Saddle bag, drop-bag and travel bag. Each of these will be soft and small.

My drop bag & travel bag were going to be the same. Would it be better to split them  ???  

Presumably your travel bag will include such luxuries as non-cycling clothes for the trip out and the trip home. I think it's better to keep the drop bag separate, so that the organisers don't have to humf all your kit across Germany, you don't contaminate your clean civvies with manky cycling kit and you know you've def got clean stuff waiting for you at the finish.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 11 August, 2010, 11:11:10 pm
I see eck's got a head start  ;)

Ergebnisliste HBK 2010 | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/321)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 12 August, 2010, 07:37:36 am
I see eck's got a head start  ;)

Ergebnisliste HBK 2010 | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/321)
Aye, see me, Ah'm flyin'   :thumbsup:

..and I see you cousin's not far behind:
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bernard   peguin   09   19.07 06:00   19.07 18:12
   
 ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 12 August, 2010, 08:54:05 am
I'll be tweeting  http://twitter.com/maverick_47 (http://twitter.com/maverick_47) (if I remember ::-) )
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 13 August, 2010, 09:24:03 am
Pingu's also tweeting http://twitter.com/_pingu
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 13 August, 2010, 06:57:14 pm
Hmmm; consensus is "On t'cog - you're fooked" ;-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 13 August, 2010, 10:22:25 pm
Pingu's also tweeting http://twitter.com/_pingu

Aparently it's #cycling but not #audax .

(and there are camels).
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 14 August, 2010, 12:24:07 pm
Pingu having pizza for lunch at first control after fast 100 miles...cool and wet (the weather, not pingu or the pizza)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 14 August, 2010, 04:28:44 pm
Quote
John_Spooner  270km Nauen less than 11 hours. have ridden with scottish train.

Progress here (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/321)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 14 August, 2010, 04:39:04 pm
I'll be tweeting  http://twitter.com/maverick_47 (http://twitter.com/maverick_47) (if I remember ::-) )

He remembered:

"Audax Ecosse B team at 1st Hauptcontrolle at 270km. Maverick Pingu Bodach Eck going strong"
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 14 August, 2010, 05:13:17 pm
Duh - if everyone's being slow, why all the new PB's ;-)

Numpty award: never drop an effervescent tablet into a bidon just filled with carbonated water :facepalm:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 14 August, 2010, 06:14:52 pm
Someone got to the 3rd control 2 days ago. Apparently.  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 14 August, 2010, 07:02:49 pm
Pingu's just phoned and is now out of the event. He fell on a wet tram line, someone ran over his wheel and it's well borked. No-one's got a spare wheel and all the shops are shut for the rest of the weekend. :(  :'(.
Gutted for him.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: David Martin on 14 August, 2010, 07:28:41 pm
Pingu's just phoned and is now out of the event. He fell on a wet tram line, someone ran over his wheel and it's well borked. No-one's got a spare wheel and all the shops are shut for the rest of the weekend. :(  :'(.
Gutted for him.


That is really crap news.

Hope he is all right..
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 14 August, 2010, 07:31:17 pm
He said he had 'just a few scratches'. He knows I'm a worrier, so what that really means, I don't know.
Hopefully the rest of the HBKH Ecosse team will fare better.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 14 August, 2010, 08:37:18 pm
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that

Bastard tramlines
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 14 August, 2010, 08:40:47 pm
Sorry to hear that Mrs P.   :'(

What a hugely extreme bummer.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 14 August, 2010, 08:55:53 pm
That's shitty luck.  :(

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 14 August, 2010, 09:02:17 pm
That's the problem with Germany, if you go at the weekend you'll find it's closed from Saturday lunchtime onwards.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 14 August, 2010, 09:28:36 pm
(Brrp) Plz (Brrp) 2 (Brrp) sendz (Brrp) more (Brrp) tarmacz (Brrp) 4 (Brrp) the (Brrp) kobblez :)

Actually -
Cobbles: FO - they make the place look twee
Tramlines: FOAD
Grizzle: FRO to the North Sea
Flatness: 350km - enough already; I WANT SCENERY!

Ah - feel better for that. 120km to sleeps :P

Damn - Jack's just packed; bad back :(
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: MercuryKev on 14 August, 2010, 09:46:40 pm
Mrs Pingu, that is really tough luck.  I know he would have managed to get round in good shape too, at least it wasn't a bigger spill.  Pass my condolences onto him and tell him to spend the rest of his time there drowning his sorrows in the array of fine ales.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 15 August, 2010, 01:01:11 am
otherdave, valkyrie and roberto into next control within a couple of minutes if each other so looks like they have a groupetto....
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 15 August, 2010, 04:23:54 am
Bad luck Pingu
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 15 August, 2010, 04:30:57 am
GAH - 430-odd before a grimpet  :P

Nana, read me a story...(night all)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 15 August, 2010, 11:21:00 am
otherdave, valkyrie and roberto into next control within a couple of minutes if each other so looks like they have a groupetto....

likewise for eck, bodach, Bairn Again and maverick...maverick also tweeted 6 hours ago that they were having some breakfast in anticipation of a short hilly 300...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 15 August, 2010, 05:10:31 pm
NOAH - HOW LONG CAN YOU TREAD WATER?

FMR - nobody said It's uphill against the tide; must be all the PBP pervs wanting ol' home week  ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 15 August, 2010, 07:23:16 pm
Hello

I crashed on a wet tramline & my front wheel was run over. Damage to me = minimal. Damage to bike = knackered front wheel, knackered front brake, 'pooter wire severed  :( Rescued by Lars & Monica & taken to the control at Ditfurt.

Met otherdave, roberto and valkyrie while I was on my 2nd beer. They had all crashed at exactly the same place  :o Just cuts, bruises & damaged rear lights, nothing terminal.

The lovely Lars & Monica have taken me under their wing & I'm spending the night at their house near Hamburg. We've had kaffe und kuchen  :P I think Monica took pity on me because she liked my Animals jersey (take note, valkyrie  :P ) - she quizzed me about it at Nauen.

Off to the bike shop tomorrow to see if any repairs can be effected. Lars has offered the loan of front wheel if the brake can be fixed so I might catch up with roberto get some pootling done.

Good like to the survivors, hopefully the weather will improve, it was horrible at Ditfurt this morning.

Tschüß  :)

PS - ruddy German Apple keyboard  ::-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Crystal Tips on 15 August, 2010, 07:39:20 pm
Really sorry to hear about that Pingu, hope you are OK and manage to get some riding done this week
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 15 August, 2010, 08:11:52 pm
That's terrible bad luck, Pingu. Glad to hear you're OK, but that's such a disappointing way to crash out.  :(

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 15 August, 2010, 08:13:35 pm
Good to hear you are okay Pingu  :thumbsup:

Just checked to see if there's any sign of any of the others into 4th control (there isn't) and saw there is one rider at the 5th control  :o :o
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 15 August, 2010, 09:42:05 pm
otherdave, valkyrie and roberto all into the 4th control at 1/4 to 10.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Martin on 15 August, 2010, 10:31:52 pm
Hailsham stalwarts Chris Tracey and Ricardo Tomas going well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 16 August, 2010, 12:29:28 am
Bairn Again and maverick into 4th control just after midnight.  No mention of bodach and eck arriving as yet - they've probably built a campfire to sing songs round to entertain the locals  ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 16 August, 2010, 12:35:14 am
...that's eck and bodach showing as getting to 4th control about 40 mins after the other two - must have only been a few songs for the locals  ;D

And they seem to have had McNasty on backing vocals as he's showing as arriving about the same time  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 16 August, 2010, 07:01:17 am
Ow ow ow - somebody's been tap-dancing on the thighs  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 16 August, 2010, 07:07:45 am
Rotten luck Pingu, very sorry to hear that 'For you ze ride is over'. 

Thanks Noodley for all the updates, its good to hear how everyone is doing.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 16 August, 2010, 08:44:53 am
Bad news from maverick on a tweet - otherdave and Roberto have packed following a crash  :facepalm: - both riders okay.  :thumbsup:

Valkyrie has now joined Bairn Again and maverick and set off "4 400km of hills" 3 hours ago...

...I'm assuming eck, bodach and McNasty are having a long lie  :P
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 16 August, 2010, 09:58:02 am
Oh - bad luck both  :(

FIrst returnees passed me 09:15  :o Should I just slash me tyres now?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 16 August, 2010, 10:19:34 am
Oh dear that's a shame :(
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 16 August, 2010, 11:35:11 am
Phone call from John.

More bad news for the Ecosse Posse - it seems that Eck and Bodach carried on to Messinghausen but had already decided to pack.  John sounded disappointed - he had greatly enjoyed their company.

George B had been ahead but whizzed past the wrong way this morning at a junction saying 'not that way', as John's grupetto (incl Valkyrie and otherdave - I think) looked at each other and said: 'Yes it is'.  He has not been seen since.

Maverick going well.

Sussex contingent (Chris Tracey and Richard Thomas?) still going but lost some time yesterday because of 'navigational issues'). Julian Dyson ahead of John and going well.

The rain has stopped but it is 'grey'.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Ariadne on 16 August, 2010, 11:56:29 am
Oh dear, it's not sounding very cheerful, is it? What a shame for everyone. But it'll be company for Pingu!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 16 August, 2010, 12:13:53 pm
That's another bummer  :facepalm:

Sounds as if John is grinding the Ecosse contigent down one by one (or two by two)...valkyrie, Bairn Again and maverick had better watch out!

...it certainly sounds as if there will be tales to tell of valiant effort, miserable weather, hills and bad luck....I'll need to make sure I have a comfy seat  ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 16 August, 2010, 01:05:35 pm
Sounds as if John is grinding the Ecosse contigent down one by one (or two by two) ...

He did turn down a £40 offer last night from Eck for his 29-tooth chainring.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 16 August, 2010, 01:13:18 pm
Oh dear, it's not sounding very cheerful, is it? What a shame for everyone.

Indeed. Just goes to show what a mammoth undertaking rides like this are, even for highly experienced randonneurs. Chapeau to everyone who even dared try!

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 16 August, 2010, 02:20:01 pm
Got front brake fixed, borrowed a front wheel from Lars. May be riding with Lars & Monica´s club (http://www.ftn-radsport.de/) later  :thumbsup: Being very well looked after  :smug:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 16 August, 2010, 04:37:14 pm
Looks like the Ecosse Posse are down to three, according to tweets from Maverick

"Maverick and Valkyrie heading for Herkenrath and going well. Bairn Again packed soon after start with knee problem"

"McNasty believed to still going strong. All others believed packed."
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 16 August, 2010, 05:30:29 pm
This is sounding more like one of those Japanese game shows than an audax. 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: MercuryKev on 16 August, 2010, 07:04:47 pm
This isn't a bike ride it's CARNAGE!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 16 August, 2010, 08:13:28 pm
The maverick, valkyrie, spooner train(ette) into control 5 at quarter past 8...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 16 August, 2010, 08:15:01 pm
This isn't a bike ride it's CARNAGE!
OK, I'll follow on then ...

And did they know it was going to be CARNAGE 7 months ago?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 16 August, 2010, 08:44:25 pm
Maverick's latest

"Maverick and Valkyrie at Herkenrath 940km complete. Rode most of today with Salvatore. Setting off back about 2am."
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 16 August, 2010, 09:35:42 pm
And John's 32 minutes ago:

Quote
Now at cologne control. Not much rain today. Rode much of way with maverick and Valkerie. 950 km ridden 585 to go.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 16 August, 2010, 09:37:23 pm
Damn.  So close to 1536.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 17 August, 2010, 12:12:43 am
Köln - huzzah; only a 600 to do  :)

Sussex posse all here (in body if not mind...)

About 20% DNF so far  :(
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 17 August, 2010, 04:27:52 am
You have GOT to be kidding - there can't possibly be that much rain  :o
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 17 August, 2010, 09:05:02 am
Seems to be raining...

"Maverick, Valkyrie and Salvatore left Herkenrath at 04.00 in thunderstorm. Rain of biblical proportions today"
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Tom on 17 August, 2010, 09:14:35 am
(Brrp)Plz(Brrp)2(Brrp)sendz(Brrp)more(Brrp)tarmacz(Brrp)4(Brrp)the(Brrp)kobblez ;-)

Damn - Jack's just packed; bad back :-(

Is that Jack Williams?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 17 August, 2010, 09:18:36 am
So the Mille Cymru was the easy option this summer ?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 17 August, 2010, 10:14:14 am
Fook a duck; saw a drowned rat in the gutter - know EXACTLY how it feels  ;)

Currently having warming coffee with McNasty at Attendorn :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: hellymedic on 17 August, 2010, 10:25:40 am
Sounds like there should be a 'duck' trophy -'I made it through the rain' for anciens of PBP 2007, LEL 2009 and this HBKH
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 17 August, 2010, 11:14:05 am
Sounds like there should be a 'duck' trophy -'I made it through the rain' for anciens of PBP 2007, LEL 2009 and this HBKH
:)

Salvatore is the only 1 I've spotted daft unlucky enough to ride all 3. I'm certainly glad I went for the dry(er) option this year - 3 days in Wales !

Paddle up, chaps :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 17 August, 2010, 11:17:44 am
Sounds like there should be a 'duck' trophy -'I made it through the rain' for anciens of PBP 2007, LEL 2009 and this HBKH

I don't think LEL '09 quite qualifies, but then I think some other riders had it much worse than I did.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 17 August, 2010, 11:37:23 am
LEL 09 was pretty ok for total quantity of rain (although it was still statistically bad for July in the UK). But we did get the double-whammy with gale-force winds, so I'm definitely putting it in the non-ideal-conditions column!

Harder riders will no doubt disagree ... and anyway we're drifting OT. So far this ride sounds worse. Falling off on wet tramlines would no doubt affect my perception of a ride too :(
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mmmmartin on 17 August, 2010, 01:21:42 pm
Hailsham stalwarts Chris Tracey and Ricardo Tomas going well  :thumbsup:
looking at the website, i am trying to work out how richard is doing: it seems to me he is going very quickly and consequently getting unfeasible amounts of sleep. But maybe I have misunderstood:
day 1 - 6am start, arrive 2nd control at 270k 11 hours later at 5pm, hence av speed of 24kph. No sleep.
control 2-3 190k which might take him 8 hrs at the previous rate. he is timed as arriving after 11 hours so maybe he had 3 hours sleep on Sunday night.
control 3-4 280k, so 11hrs 30 mins of cycling, he took 23 hrs 30 mins. perhaps he had a lot of sleep? even if he was doing 15kph average he'd still have had 6 hours sleep.
control 4-5 210k, timed as checking in at 00:33 so 21 hours, but if he was doing his original 24kph that would take him 9 hours. So maybe he's going fast enough to have a decent night's sleep.
It seems to me he is getting reasonable sleep, and still has 12 hours in hand.
Maybe i have misinterpreted the info on the website, but that really is a quite stupendous performance.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 17 August, 2010, 02:31:01 pm
Maybe i have misinterpreted the info on the website, but that really is a quite stupendous performance.

I think you must have misinterpreted it - he arrived 4 hours 15 minutes after John Spooner at the last main (timed) control.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mmmmartin on 17 August, 2010, 03:14:35 pm
that is true. i am assuming the time refers to arrival at a control :-\, rather than when you choose to wander over to the table and register: if it were the latter riders could arrive, sleep, register and leave, which would mess up the assumptions i am making.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 17 August, 2010, 03:34:03 pm
Got a text from eck at 0745 CET this morning. He, bairn again & bodach spent a day in Messinghausen and were just leaving for Lindern  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 17 August, 2010, 03:38:50 pm
Fook a duck; saw a drowned rat in the gutter - know EXACTLY how it feels :-(

Oh dear  :(

I´ve had a very pleasant pootle round Plöner See. It was fairly warm and totally dry  :) I doubt that many replacement small chainrings are sold in Schleswig Holstein, though.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 17 August, 2010, 03:44:49 pm
http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/321

The first finisher arrived at half seven this morning.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 17 August, 2010, 03:46:18 pm
Martin,

Is he in his 80s?  That really would be stupendous.

I don't know but I assume otherwise - ie the time is recorded when the card is stamped.

John said that Chris and Richard lost quite a bit of time on the second day because of navigational issues which would explain why they are behind him (though John is 'up' on last time).

JS phoned about half-an-hour ago - just arrived back at Messinghausen after Maverick and Valkirie.  The Herkenrath control was bliss - proper beds and undisturbed sleep.  No rain when they got up at 3, but continual torrential rain from when they left at 4.  He's off for a shower and sleep, with no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'.  Sounds like wishful thinking. He said his bike is beginning to play up but under questioning, it sounds like it only needs the application of some chain oil. "But that would mean going outside again".
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mmmmartin on 17 August, 2010, 03:57:03 pm
Is he in his 80s?  That really would be stupendous
no he isn't - i was very stupidly confusing john's event number with his age. the sort of error one makes at the end of a long ride, not normally when in an office sitting in a chair....... hence i have edited that comment.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mmmmartin on 17 August, 2010, 04:00:27 pm
no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'
my reading of the website suggests that control closes at 4am tomorrow so he has simply oceans of time to sleep. he now has 440k to go and until 9.10am on monday to do it.  :thumbsup:

I'll have a pint of whatever he's on. :facepalm:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Greenbank on 17 August, 2010, 04:10:39 pm
no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'
my reading of the website suggests that control closes at 4am tomorrow so he has simply oceans of time to sleep. he now has 440k to go and until 9.10am on monday to do it.  :thumbsup:

I'll have a pint of whatever he's on. :facepalm:

9.10am on Monday would be quite relaxed time limits!

12kph over 1535km and a 6am start on Saturday gives a 1.55pm finish on Thursday.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 17 August, 2010, 04:15:36 pm
no plans for when he gets up other than 'when there's some blue sky'
my reading of the website suggests that control closes at 4am tomorrow so he has simply oceans of time to sleep. he now has 440k to go and until 9.10am on monday to do it.  :thumbsup:

I'll have a pint of whatever he's on. :facepalm:

9.10am on Monday would be quite relaxed time limits!

12kph over 1535km and a 6am start on Saturday gives a 1.55pm finish on Thursday.

Quite (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/314)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 17 August, 2010, 04:21:43 pm
Just spoken to Valkyrie, they are at Messinghausen after a lot of hills and water. The rain was so heavy that it was running down the slopes towards them in waves.

They're off to sleep and will restart later tonight for the haul to Hamburg. According to their gps they've done 11000m of climbing, so only another 200m on the 400k still to go if their instruments are to be believed.

Dave
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2010, 04:36:19 pm
The rain was so heavy that it was running down the slopes towards them in waves.

Bloody hell. I thought iddu was joking about the drowned rat. I guess not.

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 17 August, 2010, 04:38:46 pm
Yes, I think the final stretch is as flat as the outset.  Pingu may be able to confirm.  They may have said an  'auf wiedersehen' to the hills (or maybe a firmer 'good bye').
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 17 August, 2010, 04:44:14 pm
There seem to be 4 or 5 small climbs between Messinghausen & Lindern, then it´s pretty flat to Großhansdorf.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 17 August, 2010, 04:54:49 pm
They may have said an  'auf wiedersehen' to the hills (or maybe a firmer 'good bye').

Or maybe: "Hau ab, du Arsch!"  ;D

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 17 August, 2010, 04:59:14 pm
Ah; y'all should stop rubbernecking & join us - lovely day. Would I lie to you ;-)

Still with McNasty, pizza in Siedlinghausen, ETA 8-9pm
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 17 August, 2010, 06:01:51 pm
Ahhh - BIKE DOWN

McNasty's snapped his frame:-( If anyone knows Jack/Sabine's number, see if they're still around Mesinghausen
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 August, 2010, 06:32:24 pm
Stuck in the middle of Germany with George Berwick and a broken bike with the shops closed. It hardly bears thinking about. The time ticking away and wondering if you should just strike out on your own and leave George to explain things to the locals.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 17 August, 2010, 07:11:19 pm
I don't think that they're riding this thing at all.  I reckon that they're all in some nice beer cellar somewhere playing the newly launched HBKH board game, loosely based on Monopoly.  The aim is to complete 1500 laps of the board but if you land on the wrong square you get sent to jail*, break your frame, come off on tramlines, suffer a recurring knee injury, etc.  If you land on the good squares you can advance to the next control.  You get another beer every time you pass 'Go'.   ;D

* nobody's landed on this one yet, as far as we know...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: MercuryKev on 17 August, 2010, 07:14:15 pm
I don't think that they're riding this thing at all.  I reckon that they're all in some nice beer cellar somewhere playing the newly launched HBKH board game, loosely based on Monopoly.  The aim is to complete 1500 laps of the board but if you land on the wrong square you get sent to jail*, break your frame, come off on tramlines, suffer a recurring knee injury, etc.  If you land on the good squares you can advance to the next control.  You get another beer every time you pass 'Go'.   ;D

* nobody's landed on this one yet, as far as we know...

I heard that they never made it past the Hamburg red light district.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 17 August, 2010, 07:28:28 pm
Rumbled :thumbsup:
'tis OK - wobbled back to Mesinghausen
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 17 August, 2010, 08:22:06 pm
Maverick tweeted about an hour ago that Mcnasty intends to continue if he can effect a repair..and that he and valkyrie were just about to leave Messinghausen.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 17 August, 2010, 09:21:36 pm
Held together with zip ties by the sounds of it!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Redlight on 17 August, 2010, 10:35:06 pm
Jeez - and people ask us why we do this!

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Martin on 17 August, 2010, 10:38:47 pm
that is true. i am assuming the time refers to arrival at a control :-\, rather than when you choose to wander over to the table and register: if it were the latter riders could arrive, sleep, register and leave, which would mess up the assumptions i am making.


Richard is a very strong rider and cajoled us all into doing PBP in 80hrs in 2007 complete with a realistic schedule; but on his advice we all sensibly threw it out of the window on the day and just got round not caring about the time; he's probably thinking the same now.

out of interest; how long have they all got? is it the same min speed as LEL?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 18 August, 2010, 12:59:10 am
Drugz. I need drugz - or at least Industrial strength Kaffee :-)

McNasty :facepalm: Not following you down any hills.

'ere we go, 'ere we go :-D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 18 August, 2010, 01:03:02 am
Well done iddu, you are putting in a star performance  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 18 August, 2010, 05:53:01 am
out of interest; how long have they all got? is it the same min speed as LEL?

Till Thursday 13:55.  Min speed 12 kph.

John. 2 hours ago:

Quote
Bad Sulzufen 04:20 Tonight i've performed major surgery on a chain and had an interesting encounter in the worlds biggest bus shelter at 1:45
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 18 August, 2010, 08:04:01 am
maverick tweets (about 2 hours ago):
"Maverick and valkyrie at Lindern 200km to go.  Met up with eck, bodach and bairn again." 
"Setting off for finish in about an hour"
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 18 August, 2010, 08:19:50 am
Another phone call from John.  He's about 40km from Lindern, it is not raining and there's a 'stonking' tail-wind.

Most of the call was about the bus-shelter (9 paces deep by 12+ paces wide, two benches, bike-rack inside, motion-sensor lighting, space enough for a woman on a moped to come in and do a u-turn before sorting out a stack of newspapers for onward distribution, all at 1:45 am) and the chain repair, which was successful.  George Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.  John stressed that the frame is completely snapped, not just cracked.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2010, 09:19:48 am
Most of the call was about the bus-shelter

Rightly so.  We await photos.

Quote
George Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.

Fingers cross'd.  That would be ace.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Greenbank on 18 August, 2010, 10:50:13 am
Indeed, none of this "with that weather it's an epic" malarkey*

True Audax epics come from the likes of McNasty riding 400km+ with a snapped frame held together by zipties, or Arallsopp riding all but 10km of LEL with an idler return made from rapidly disintegrating zipties and bits of shoe, or Garry King snapping his handlebars in half on *that* nasty descent early on on the Upper Thames, shimming it with a coke-can and riding the rest of the ride without complaint.

* Audax Epics based on weather must involve carrying bikes for at least 1km through knee deep snow.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 18 August, 2010, 11:00:07 am
What's an idler return ???
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 18 August, 2010, 11:03:48 am
Something to do with recumbents, I think. Nothing a normal, sensible cyclist ever need worry about. ;)

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 August, 2010, 11:07:58 am

* Audax Epics based on weather must involve carrying bikes for at least 1km through knee deep snow.

That would be the two Georges' winter riding of the Daylight on a tandem trike.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 18 August, 2010, 11:11:12 am
Something to do with recumbents, I think. Nothing a normal, sensible cyclist ever need worry about. ;)
That's ok then, I was beginning to think I had missed something fundamental!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 18 August, 2010, 11:13:30 am
What's an idler return ???

For me, this season's audaxing :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 August, 2010, 11:38:30 am
True Audax epics come from the likes of McNasty riding 400km+ with a snapped frame held together by zipties, or Arallsopp riding all but 10km of LEL with an idler return made from rapidly disintegrating zipties and bits of shoe, or Garry King snapping his handlebars in half on *that* nasty descent early on on the Upper Thames, shimming it with a coke-can and riding the rest of the ride without complaint.

Though Von Broad and I did request that we be allowed to precede Garry K down the hill...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 18 August, 2010, 11:46:18 am
What's an idler return ???

For me, this season's audaxing :)

Have you also been kept together by zip ties?

...space enough for a woman on a moped to come in and do a u-turn before sorting out a stack of newspapers for onward distribution, all at 1:45 am...
Just to iron out the ambiguity in case I have been misunderstood: this isn't one of the many criteria used by John to assess the quality of bus shelters (up to now); it's something that happened. 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 18 August, 2010, 03:09:22 pm
Quote
George Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.

Fingers cross'd.  That would be ace.

Gerorge has just made it as far as Linden according to the site.  Similar time as Iddu so it looks like they are still riding together.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 August, 2010, 03:17:42 pm
Quote
George Berwick predicted to be man of the match if he finishes.

Fingers cross'd.  That would be ace.

Gerorge has just made it as far as Linden according to the site.  Similar time as Iddu so it looks like they are still riding together.

He could do with the other George, to Shepherd him through this.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Hummers on 18 August, 2010, 05:54:53 pm
All jolly exciting stuff!

Chapeau to all those riding.

H
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 18 August, 2010, 08:18:15 pm
Maverick tweet 27 minutes ago:

"Maverick, Valkyrie finished 1500,
Eck, Bodach, Bairn Again finished 1100"

Well done chaps!  :thumbsup: 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 19 August, 2010, 02:55:31 am
ur al crazeh
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 19 August, 2010, 06:02:51 am
Done - in all senses
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 19 August, 2010, 06:56:32 am
Well done all  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 19 August, 2010, 08:35:44 am
John finished at 1:30 this morning.

Looks like Chris Tracey has finished, but no time next to Richard Thomas yet.  Nor George B.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 19 August, 2010, 10:21:54 am
Richard Thomas finished a while ago.

George has finished.  :D.  A large crowd has gathered round to look at his bike.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 19 August, 2010, 10:22:56 am
From Maverick

McNASTY Completed 11.15

Just had a text from Valkyrie. "McNasty just finished, you wouldn't believe the state of his bike! Ridden for 500km with a broken frame"

I've asked for more details.

Dave
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: hellymedic on 19 August, 2010, 10:29:33 am
Amazing!
Well done all!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 19 August, 2010, 10:42:04 am
What a star.Just amazing stuff. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

From Maverick

McNASTY Completed 11.15

Just had a text from Valkyrie. "McNasty just finished, you wouldn't believe the state of his bike! Ridden for 500km with a broken frame"

I've asked for more details.

Dave
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 19 August, 2010, 10:50:42 am
Valkyrie tried to send photos, but they didn't work. I guess we'll have wait till they return or a more technologically savvy member manages.

Dave
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 19 August, 2010, 11:17:54 am
Seriously well done to all finishers. Epic achievement, even the ones who completed it with their frame in one piece.  I'm just staggered at the thought of what you've done.

Mind you, I've just tried to describe the event to my colleagues and I'm not quite as baffled as them - they're seriously confused as to why anyone would want to attempt something like this.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mmmmartin on 19 August, 2010, 01:07:58 pm
Richard is a very strong rider and cajoled us all into doing PBP in 80hrs in 2007 complete with a realistic schedule; but on his advice we all sensibly threw it out of the window on the day and just got round not caring about the time; he's probably thinking the same now.
I'm really pleased he's done it - although it was never really in doubt as AFAIK he has never been a non-show or packed.
He has always been supportive of my absurd over-ambitious plans and helpful with advice.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 19 August, 2010, 01:40:32 pm
>"...you're fooked"
Eat ma krusty's :-D
More (much) later; v. tired, watching the world go by at the airport, waiting for 21:00 flight...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 19 August, 2010, 01:57:43 pm
"McNasty just finished, you wouldn't believe the state of his bike! Ridden for 500km with a broken frame"

The stuff of Audax legend :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 19 August, 2010, 02:16:19 pm
Audax Ecosse team in hotel catching up on well deserved sleep. A fantastic friendly  event. Superb organisation and we've been well looked after. Route was challenging - think 2 days of Mille Cymru after 460km then a 400 to finish. Throw in some monsoon rains and you have HBKH 2010. McNasty now a legend here. The broken frame was only one among many incidents he endured. I'll leave the telling of tall tales to others. Off to find more food.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: GlasgowDave on 19 August, 2010, 03:07:50 pm
George at the end...

(http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/2/HBK10_6_2.jpg)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 August, 2010, 03:12:15 pm
Can we have a picture of him at the beginning, I'm not convinced there'd be much difference.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 19 August, 2010, 03:48:28 pm
No wonder audax has such a glamorous, sexy image!

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 19 August, 2010, 04:11:40 pm
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 19 August, 2010, 04:13:03 pm
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.

Can we have a picture of him at the beginning, I'm not convinced there'd be much difference.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 19 August, 2010, 04:14:51 pm
"Er hat 1500km mit diesem Rad gefahren?"
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 19 August, 2010, 04:15:23 pm
He's had good value out of that bike, by the look of it  :)

Well done to all
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Greenbank on 19 August, 2010, 04:22:27 pm
Tag 6 (aus und vorbei) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/353) has that photo along with the text:-

Rough translation (based on google but cleaned up by me):-

"The biggest stir, however, was caused by George, who arrived just before Willy. We are happy to say that he succeeded despite a broken down-tube. This was not a crack, it was a black hole in a load-bearing part of the bike's geometry."
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 19 August, 2010, 04:41:36 pm
Tag 6 (aus und vorbei) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/353) has that photo along with the text:-

Rough translation (based on google but cleaned up by me):-

"The biggest stir, however, was caused by George, who arrived just before Willy. We are happy to say that he succeeded despite a broken down-tube. This was not a crack, it was a black hole in a load-bearing part of the bike's geometry."
Brilliant - another example of poetic mis-translation.

Or perhaps they are alluding to the 12thC germanic curse:
"May you find a black hole in a load-bearing part of your bike's geometry"
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Greenbank on 19 August, 2010, 05:05:56 pm
Tag 6 (aus und vorbei) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/353) has that photo along with the text:-

Rough translation (based on google but cleaned up by me):-

"The biggest stir, however, was caused by George, who arrived just before Willy. We are happy to say that he succeeded despite a broken down-tube. This was not a crack, it was a black hole in a load-bearing part of the bike's geometry."
Brilliant - another example of poetic mis-translation.

It's not a mis-translation, the original German is "schwarzes Loch" which is the right astronomical term for a black-hole.

I don't know anywhere near enough German to know whether it's a common idiomatic phrase...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 19 August, 2010, 05:23:58 pm
Sorry, I wasn't criticising your translation skills.

I just meant that the result was a phrase an Englishman (e.g.) would never have come out with - and it is a thing of beauty!

"A black hole in geometry" :applause:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Von Broad on 19 August, 2010, 05:48:15 pm
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.

 :D That's a great picture. Crying out for all kinds of captions.

Well done Mr McNasty, superb effort.
And congrats to all too.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on 19 August, 2010, 07:02:23 pm
I like the look of incredulity on the other bloke's face.

 :D That's a great picture. Crying out for all kinds of captions.

Well done Mr McNasty, superb effort.
And congrats to all too.

Hors categorie Chapeau to McNasty !  Oh dear, I hope that isn't a Flying Scot... :(
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 19 August, 2010, 07:34:32 pm
Nope - 40+ 753 Raleigh; years of life left in that bodge :-D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 19 August, 2010, 07:39:44 pm
Who's the geezer in the tartan?

Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 19 August, 2010, 07:46:22 pm
No names, No pack drill ;-)
Locals just thought he'd been to a bad barber :-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Greenbank on 19 August, 2010, 07:56:47 pm
Can we have a picture of him at the beginning, I'm not convinced there'd be much difference.

Or:

"That's George all fresh at the beginning, can we have a picture of him at the end?"

;)

Chapeau Mr McNasty.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Karla on 19 August, 2010, 07:57:09 pm
ur al crazeh
Varuckt!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 19 August, 2010, 08:08:35 pm
Isn't he the guy with the 'look of incredulity' in an earlier picture?

't Is, look at the elbows.

Who's the geezer in the tartan?

Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Nuncio on 19 August, 2010, 08:10:14 pm
I think it must be the organizer, Heino.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Hummers on 19 August, 2010, 08:32:37 pm
Priceless.

Well done to all the finishers.

H
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 19 August, 2010, 08:44:30 pm
Who's the geezer in the tartan?

Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)

No idea (sensible suggestion already put forward) but that's bobach on the left.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 19 August, 2010, 10:04:19 pm
Hi to all crazy fanatics of hbkh,

here you can find some other pictures some of us made during hbkh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624637388699/

some notes to the photos:

PJ had to choose another road, because the scottish whiskey in his baggage weighted more than 3.5 tons.

The pipers played for pingu so that he wouldn´t feel too homesick.

Seems like all cyclists enjoyed the trip under the rain.



some notes to your comments:

Hi Mrs pingu, hope to see you too soon.

hi mattc: is it on purpose that "paddle up" sounds like pedal up!?

Hi Exit stage left: George looked better before because he was quite excited at the start. when he finished he was quite sad that it was already over. By the way: We Germans try to improve understanding his accent...

Weather: This time the weather was a salute to the Scotts. Next time we will salute the Italians so there will be sunshine.

Slaandjivaa

Randy and MacBady

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 August, 2010, 11:17:50 pm
Hi Exit stage left: George looked better before because he was quite excited at the start. when he finished he was quite sad that it was already over. By the way: We Germans try to improve understanding his accent...



Don't worry, to us it's like Styrian would be to you.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2010, 09:39:40 am
No matter how hard I squint at that picture I can't see the hole ???

Also, quill pedals without so much as a toe-clip, and flint catchers?  Is this man from Planet 1947 or something ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: David Martin on 20 August, 2010, 09:41:44 am
No matter how hard I squint at that picture I can't see the hole ???


That is cos it is a black hole, and you can't see black holes..

Edit: No doubt the ex astrophysicists in our group who used to work on black holes will correct me..
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 20 August, 2010, 09:43:01 am
Also, quill pedals without so much as a toe-clip, and flint catchers?  Is this man from Planet 1947 or something ;)

Single-sided SPDs ?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Chris (was scych) on 20 August, 2010, 09:48:24 am
No matter how hard I squint at that picture I can't see the hole ???

The black hole is covered by what I'm told is the remains of a fizzy drink can and some zip ties. Ingenious bodge as well.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: David Martin on 20 August, 2010, 10:21:18 am
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4671730447_66789884f2_z.jpg)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 20 August, 2010, 10:48:22 am
Hello Randy & MacBady - thank you for looking after my Pingu :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 20 August, 2010, 11:46:37 am
George has been a legend for a long time.

From the 1979 PBP results.
Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=resultats_1979)
62H36  117  BERWICK  George  GB  M  VE  A.U.K.


Twenty years later in 1999
Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=resultats_1999)
65H37  820  BERWICK  George  GB  M  VE



Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: salar55 on 20 August, 2010, 02:13:22 pm
Wonder how much time George lost repairing his bike.  Don't think he was really  worried about it .  Have seen him with a set of chimney sweeps  poles and brushes heading out to a bothy after riding a 200.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Hummers on 20 August, 2010, 10:40:36 pm
George has been a legend for a long time.

From the 1979 PBP results.
Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=resultats_1979)
62H36  117  BERWICK  George  GB  M  VE  A.U.K.


Along with quite a few others.

H
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 20 August, 2010, 11:34:05 pm
When I DNFed the Snow Roads this year I got to know more about George than I got to know about myself...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Scoosh on 21 August, 2010, 02:42:28 pm
When I DNFed the Snow Roads this year I got to know more about George than I got to know about myself...
.... go on .....  ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 21 August, 2010, 02:49:15 pm
Who's the geezer in the tartan?

Tag 5 (Warten) | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/352)

It's Heino, the organiser. Phil (Bodach) is the other guy in the photo and had just presented his "Jimmy" hat/wig to Heino. Somewhat worryingly (for Heino) it seems to suit him.

I'll write a proper report in a day or two, but in the meantime I'd say - HBKH is a fantastic route with tremendous organisation and support. The weather did manage to suck the joy out of big chunks of it but even so I'm glad I went and I'd happily do it again.

Big thanks to the organisers and helpers - they were all great!

Chapeau to Pingu - he coped with the extreme dissapointment of his early exit really well.  :thumbsup:

Respect to George - I met him in M'hausen when he rolled in with his broken bicycle. The weather was so bad that lots of riders with nothing wrong with their bikes were considering packing. This option has clearly never occurred to George. All he said was "I've had 3 punctures, I've shredded a tyre and my frame has broken. I guess it's just not my day. Can anyone help me repair my frame?"

I had a wee ride on his bike at the finish. There's no way I would have continued on it, the handling was scary at 5mph on the flat and I've got no idea how he managed the descents at all.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: otherdave on 21 August, 2010, 09:37:27 pm
Bad news from maverick on a tweet - packed following a crash  :facepalm: - both riders okay.  :thumbsup:



Who puts up these false statements ?

There was two opions (1140k or 1535k)
therefore it should have read - otherdave and Roberto have gone on to ride 1140k route -

PS Roberto and myself completed 1140k in about 83 hours.



Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 21 August, 2010, 09:56:01 pm
Before anything else I have to say a big thank you to Randy Formosa & MacBady (i.e. Lars and Monica) for rescuing me and taking me under their wing  :-* :) :thumbsup: Thanks to them I had a lovely holiday with great company, cycling and food & drink (and Dudelsackmusik) rather than the depressing disaster which could have happened  :D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 21 August, 2010, 09:59:43 pm
Here's a pic of George's repair:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4913972294_2056fee425.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4913972294/sizes/o/in/set-72157624774912434/)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 21 August, 2010, 10:01:51 pm
Other pictures of the audax my holiday here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/sets/72157624774912434/).
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: border-rider on 21 August, 2010, 10:02:15 pm
 :o

Must have made the gears entertaining as well.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 21 August, 2010, 10:14:30 pm
 :o

Now I can see why they described it as a "black hole". You wouldn't catch me riding 5km on that, never mind 500.

d.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 21 August, 2010, 10:24:39 pm
What's this man going to be like when he gets his new bike??  :)

Quite an odd place for a break, isn't it? Seems well away from any braze-ons. Not that there are too many of those on the bike anyway...

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 22 August, 2010, 09:35:10 am
Bad news from maverick on a tweet - packed following a crash  :facepalm: - both riders okay.  :thumbsup:



Who puts up these false statements ?

There was two opions (1140k or 1535k)
therefore it should have read - otherdave and Roberto have gone on to ride 1140k route -

PS Roberto and myself completed 1140k in about 83 hours.



My tweet so I'll hold my hands up to this - trying to pass news on when completly knackered and trying to sort other stuff out may lead to mistakes :-[ Perhaps should have read 'packed 1535km option'
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: MattH on 22 August, 2010, 11:00:03 am
Here's a pic of George's repair:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4913972294_2056fee425.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/4913972294/sizes/o/in/set-72157624774912434/)

Hmm, frames a bit slack.

But it'll polish out.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Von Broad on 22 August, 2010, 11:10:00 am
:o

Now I can see why they described it as a "black hole". You wouldn't catch me riding 5km on that, never mind 500.

I like the way he's paid attention to incorporating a bit of added flex and suspension in the repair. Probably a very comfortable ride :-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: simonp on 22 August, 2010, 11:15:18 am
:o

Now I can see why they described it as a "black hole". You wouldn't catch me riding 5km on that, never mind 500.

I like the way he's paid attention to incorporating a bit of added flex and suspension in the repair. Probably a very comfortable ride :-)

Taking notes for your next project?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 22 August, 2010, 05:28:42 pm
So far I've done 2 days on my ride home. I bumped into Bernd, with whom I shared a room on the Herentals 1200, at some traffic lights in Sittensen, and I'm now at his house drinking Hefeweißbier at his house.

HBK, to use the words of Mike Thomson, was a "top jaunt". I'd forgotten just how hilly it was.

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 22 August, 2010, 09:57:29 pm
Well, despite the Rain Gods doing their best to wash everyone away, that was really enjoyable (for perverse values of 'enjoy')

Early morning flight at some godforsaken hour, and a quick transit across the u-bhan, meant you walked out of the station and directly across the road to the start hall - absolute doddle; got there about midday, and chilled through the PM as various grouppettos turned up and went away.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4181.jpg)
"Babe Magnet" - it's all in the hat, innit ;D

Eventually, everyone resurfaced for the Pasta Party, and pre-ride 'awards', where various discussions on stratagies and tactics were undertaken.

Now, ladies, giving you advance warning - get yer itchy fingers ready...
(click to show/hide)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4187.jpg)
Wow George - you're twiddling a 44" all the way...ah, OK ;)

Eventually, though, we managed to get them all to go, and those that were left setlled in for a few hours kip in various hall locations.

#1 - Start -> Ditfurt (460Km)

But, soon it was time for up and off, most defintely in constant grizzle...

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4190.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4191.jpg)
Mr S.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4192.jpg)
The only rise in the first 400km...

...seriously. You had stuff like
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4194.jpg)
&
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4195.jpg)
all the way.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4201.jpg)
"W'happen?"
"Well. this tree leapt out and BIT ma car, boy..."
(Guess the comedian)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4204.jpg)
Tarmacz -> Cobblez. NOW.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4205.jpg)
"Watching the certified go by..."

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4216.jpg)
At 3am and 430+km, the only lust I have is for a warm bed...

Which is eventually reached at Ditfurt (460Km).  Pleased, as new PB's for 200Km (8h30m) & s24 distance (460km in 22h45) - not necessarily great, but they are mine :thumbsup:

#2 - Ditfurt -> Messinghausen (740Km)

Next morning brings some interesting developments:

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4218.jpg)
&
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4219.jpg)
Willi, on his homebrew soot bike.

About 1Km of non-road; bet the fast boys loved that if hit in the dark, not being able to see how far it went.
Anyway, bit o'rough never hurts ;D

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4220.jpg)
You crossed the line of the old wall several times; not much left to be seen these days.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4221.jpg)
And even sometimes had 5-minutes of sunshine.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4222.jpg)
Speak softly and carry a big stick...

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4224.jpg)
Dusk falls

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4225.jpg)
Looking far too chipper...

A rolling day; you start to encounter the SCENERY, which was like a mini-me RM1200 - long drags and fast swoops, all less than 10% / 10Km. Deep Joy :D

#3 - Messinghausen -> Hekenrath (936km)

Another day, another dollar; 3 hour kip, and some faffing saw a set off about 09:30.  The theory was that being a sub-400, the round trip to Messinghausen/Koln/Messinghausenwould be s24 - but rain & the Schwarz put paid to this...

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4227.jpg)
Felt undernourished after an hour, so Kaffee & CAKE? was called for

Was then caught by
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4228.jpg)
(Mark Fairwather)
&
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4229.jpg)
(Richard Thomas) the other 1/2 of the Sussex Posse. Richard (as team captain) was dinging his bell,  to no effect ;) He didn't seem to want to fit one of the cow bells instead ;D

The route took quite a few more minor roads here
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4235.jpg)
which had steeper (but shorter) climbs.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4240.jpg)
Eventually, caught up (again) with the entire mob, where much needed sustenance was taken; Richard was feeling pretty dire at this point...

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4241.jpg)
...and given the conditions was thinking of packing, but after some food and TLC managed to carry on.

Eventaully (after a sodding gianormous climb through a housing estate) reached the YH just after midnight; hmmm- from 8h30 to 15h+ for a 200 - that's a bugger; still, when you count up, you'd just done somthing on the order of 30 ridgelines, none very big in absolute terms, but they sure were relentless.

THEN you realise you've got the same to come on the way back... :facepalm:

Decided, since the YH was warm, dry & comfortable, to have imprompteau kip, rather than head straight back.

Woke at 4am, to find the heavens pouring like Niagra Falls :o

#4 - Hekenrath -> Messinghausen (1130km)
Eventually left at 5am, accompanied by McNasty.  Back onto the ridgelines, where McNasty had the excitement of snapping a brake cable on a descent; now, given that these were probably leather blocks on chromed rims, no doubt he had some choice words to hand ;) Anyway, soon fettled and back into the tidal waves...

The sucesssion of ridgelines and persistent downpours continued - never any real chance of warming up until you (re-)reached the drop bags & dry clothes; the moment you stood still for 30 seconds, shivering automatically kicked in for warmth.

Both stopped in Siedlinghausen for Pizza & Kaffee, before final hump to Messinghausen; came round bend on climb to find McNasty whittling a Boy Scout down to fix his frame. He's right, it's defintely not his day; first bodge attempt with tyre levers, stubby screwdrivers and wishful thinking gets him moving, and he procedes apace into the distance. I trail, on the grounds at least someone will come across the pieces; still arrive in Messinghausen before him - silly bugger turned away from control 5Km out :facepalm:

Ahhhh - dryness, hot food, and warm clothing. BLISS!

#5 - Messinghausen -> Lindern  (1330km)
Both up and out around 3am; McNasty peeled out first, and that's the last I saw of him until finish...

Last of the big honks from Messinghausen, led up through low, cold, grizzly cloudbase, so no change from preceeding dampness,  but eventually you do get spat out of the SCENERY and back onto (350Km of)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4245.jpg)

Now, on RM 1200, Tigger decided to throw a pedal; got wise this year, and changed pedals before arriving - so what did the SoB try??? Throwing a crank ::-). Luckily I was wise to his wiles, and a swift torque'ing (sic) to at a local garage sorted that  ;)

Best meal of ride at Lindern - hot stew :thumbsup:

#6 - Lindern -> Grosshansdorf (1535km)
Yay - final leg. Sadly
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4246.jpg)
continues, seeming to take forever to reach anywhere, and the night gets very cold.

But, eventually your recross the Elbe
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4254.jpg)

and see signs of progess
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4256.jpg)

We
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4257.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4258.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4259.jpg)
form a small gorupetto 20Km out, and race for the finish, to find
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4260.jpg)
&
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4261.jpg)
[right arm practice obviously been working  ;D]

And then there were two:

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4262.jpg)
Our man of the ride ;D ;D ;D

&
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4270.jpg)
Willi, last man standing :thumbsup:

---------------------------

Before,
(http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/files/2/HBK10_T_1_S_2.jpg)
during,
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4232.jpg)
& after
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4244.jpg)

The Gods have a sense of humour; on the way home...
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20100814%20-%20HBKH%202010/CIMG4271.jpg)

There were only two (short) sections I walked:

* About 500m @ 97.8km Messinghausen->Herenkath; the road was just too narrow to safely tack around traffic
* About 500m @ 153.7km Herenkath->Messinghausen; resurfaced road was still covered in loose dressing, causing wheelspin

...nothing else caused any trouble. Lots of swearing, but no trouble ;)

Followed the tracklog for directions. Note that this does not reflect route instructions at all points, and despite Mr S's assertations, there are errors in instruction - I'd give it a 95/100.

Enjoyed every miserable second of it. Might even consider doing it again ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 22 August, 2010, 10:29:09 pm
Great ride report Iddu :thumbsup: I really wish I could master the art of riding a bike and taking photos, but sadly the bike alone takes all my concentration.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: tonyh on 23 August, 2010, 08:31:20 am

Yet another Iddu masterpice. Thanks!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Cyklisten on 23 August, 2010, 09:01:29 am
Excellent. Well ridden and written!  ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 23 August, 2010, 02:55:57 pm
Yes great write up & pics Iddu.

The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too.  Anyhow, organisation scores a 10/10 from me, from the pre event admin from Sabine to the "night afore" pasta party to the route/routesheet and support on the event itself.  Witness Pingu being looked after so well after his unfortunate fall, it was top class.  The event had the feel of a very socialble club ride and there was a sense of togetherness between participants and helpers.   

My ride? Well I clearly pushed too hard on Saturday (10 hrs to the Nauen control at 272k = stupid boy) and my right knee started complaining not long after.  Strong painkillers partially helped but by the time myself and maverick rolled into messinghausen at midnight Sunday my knee was very sore and honking was out the question.  A side effect of the painkillers was a queasy feeling and I noticed I wanst shoveeling in the grub in the way that would normally do and I was feeling a bit iffy generally as a result. 

On Monday I set off very slowly into the cold and rain and watched valkyrie, maverick and co.  head off into the distance.  After 30k or so I tried honking up a very steep section and while I got to the top, the pain was enough to convince me that it was proably wise to go back, especially as it wasnt quite half way overall yet.  Ive had problems with this knee in a previous life in another sport when overdoing it put me out of action for months, so I bailed out.   

A rest day on Monday was beneficial and myself, eck and bodach rode 2 easy 200k's Tue/Wed back to Hamburg.  Valkyrie and maverick caught up with us by Weds early morning at Lindern and we rode pretty much together to the finish. 

Twas enjoyable despite the weather and not finishing the full 1527k.  I'd contemplate going back and having another go but would definitely try A N Other event of this distance before then, probably LEL which before now hasnt interested me at all.         

Trying to read a wet routesheet in the middle of the night has convinced me of the merits of a GPS, I really noticed a difference when riding with maverick or valkyrie with their gadgets, so that'll be on my christmas list. 

Well done to all the finishers, especially our own maverick, valyrie and of course the legend george.

An unexpected positive for me was the performance of my new bibshorts (assos mille).  After 1200k in the same pair (I know, thats minging) I had absolutely no discomfort in the saddle area at all and I know now that they are good for PBP next year.  I had the option of clean shorts in my bagdrop but they werent required.  Probably the best cycling purchase I have made recently & fully justifying the cost.

My most vivid memories -

- the lentil soup with a whole sausage sticking out either side of it at Nauen (only in Germany)
- bodachs "see you jimmy" hat (thank f**k he gave that away as a present to Heino). 
- arriving in messinghausen Sunday night to find that I had develpoed trench hand.
- beers and dinner and more beers in Messinghassen with jack and sabine on Monday night.
- crossing the elbe on the final day
- George's heroes arrival in the sunshine at Grosshandsorf on Thursday.   

Graeme
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 23 August, 2010, 05:46:52 pm
Does anyone know what's happened to the set of foties that Lars posted on flickr?
Quote
here you can find some other pictures some of us made during hbkh: Hamburg-Berlin-Köln - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624637388699/)
There were lots of great shots, especially of the first day, but they seem to have disappeared, except for the Dudelsacks serenading pingu. .  ???
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 23 August, 2010, 06:20:41 pm
Does anyone know what's happened to the set of foties that Lars posted on flickr?
Quote
here you can find some other pictures some of us made during hbkh: Hamburg-Berlin-Köln - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624637388699/)
There were lots of great shots, especially of the first day, but they seem to have disappeared, except for the Dudelsacks serenading pingu. .  ???

Monica or Lars seem to have uploaded a load of pics today but they're not a pro user so have limited space.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 23 August, 2010, 06:23:57 pm
Unfortunately that's true, we do not have a Pro account. I placed them back in Flickr, just another URL.

Hamburg-Berlin-Koeln-Hamburg | Facebook (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624667814767/)

Please let me know if it works,
MacBady
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 23 August, 2010, 06:44:07 pm
Seems to be OK  :thumbsup: Though I had to use Mrs P's account to see them - now I know what she's been up to  :o


 ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: otherdave on 23 August, 2010, 08:17:51 pm


The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too. 

When I stripped down my wheels today -  the wasser was still coming out of the rims :-\
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 23 August, 2010, 09:00:26 pm
Unfortunately that's true, we do not have a Pro account. I placed the whole set on Facebook, hope you can see them, if not I will try something else:

Hamburg-Berlin-Koeln-Hamburg | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=24990&id=100000520170606)

Please let me know if it works,
MacBady
:thumbsup:
Thanks, great foties Randy and MacBady. I had to join facebook to see them.
What's that all about then?  ???

You guys were great, as were all of you clubmates. Thank you all for a great experience. If you fancy doing a short audax in Scotland next year, we would love to have you here for the Snow Roads.  :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 23 August, 2010, 09:16:01 pm

The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too. 

When I stripped down my wheels today -  the wasser was still coming out of the rims :-\

I bet that's not the first time you've had water coming out of your rim.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: elgin_al on 23 August, 2010, 09:57:44 pm
What's this man going to be like when he gets his new bike??  :)

Quite an odd place for a break, isn't it? Seems well away from any braze-ons. Not that there are too many of those on the bike anyway...



Similar break on a frame a few years ago - down tube assembled wrong way round, so long bit of butting that should be at the top to hold all brazings was at bottom, short bit of butting at top so braze-ons on thin bit of tube - explanation by framebuilder of note (Charlie Ralph of Alves Cycles) - thorny subject completely refuted by manufacturer a (J ans 2S's) - "crash damage" - "no we won't give you a discount on a replacement frame, that one was 18 months old" - guess where I get my bikes from now?
However - George's may have been suffering from a pre-war rust infection. Does anyone know the size of frame he uses?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 23 August, 2010, 09:59:01 pm
Hi,

the pics are now back to where they belong in Flickr:

Hamburg-Berlin-Köln - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39865348@N06/sets/72157624667814767/)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: otherdave on 24 August, 2010, 09:08:56 am

The event was sooo wet = torrential rain each day and it was cold too. 

When I stripped down my wheels today -  the wasser was still coming out of the rims :-\

I bet that's not the first time you've had water coming out of your rim.

yeh! the water was running out after the 2007 PBP - I think it mainly happens with open pro rims, and very heavy rain.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: otherdave on 24 August, 2010, 09:16:30 am

However - George's may have been suffering from a pre-war rust infection. Does anyone know the size of frame he uses?
[/quote]

George's frame is from the 1970's and he had problems with the down tube during a 24 hour race a nimber of years ago (one out of about 50x 24 hour races that he has done)

The down tube had been a replacement, so it was not the original. 

I think George's frame is a 20.5inch 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: elgin_al on 24 August, 2010, 10:37:55 pm

I think George's frame is a 20.5inch  


Thanks otherdave I may have a tasty yellow job in the shed that Mrs e-a will not use, I'll contact the "McN" whenI get home. :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 25 August, 2010, 08:06:58 pm
Hi,

some more pics from the HBKH from Felix. The link is on the German Audax Webpage, or here:

Fotoalbum von Felix Hertlein (http://www.arcor.de/palb/thumbs_shared_fremd.jsp?albumID=34566549)

Cheers,
MacBady
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 25 August, 2010, 08:43:20 pm
Hi sportfans,
The links take me direct to the Arcor homepage. I can't find the HBHK - Felix ones in there, but thanks for some, ahem, "interesting" photos.  O:-)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: hellymedic on 25 August, 2010, 08:53:27 pm
Yebbut I isn't interested in gurls'  busties...
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: citoyen on 25 August, 2010, 09:56:20 pm
I say!  :o
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 25 August, 2010, 11:01:24 pm
Oo-er. Don't remember seeing any of that  :o
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 26 August, 2010, 07:39:23 am
Hi,

just checked the Audax page, the link works, but apparently only with Firefox browser. I'm a Mac user, and Safari sends me to the fancy Arcor page you also stubled to; Firefox will send me to Felix' pics. That's funky.
Felix' blog (in German) with the link is here:

H-B-K | Audax Club Schleswig Holstein von 2000 e.V. (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/207#comment-476)

I sent him a note, pehaps he will check the link later.

Cheers,
MacBady
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Noodley on 26 August, 2010, 07:51:24 am
Petra seems to have got so wet during the event that she's had to take all her clothes off.... :o ;)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 26 August, 2010, 09:19:06 am
Petra seems to have got so wet during the event that she's had to take all her clothes off.... :o ;)
Well, you may be closer to the truth than you realise. Just ask bodach about the unisex shower at, I think, Ditfurt.  :-X
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 26 August, 2010, 10:33:11 am
Try this (http://www.arcor.de/palb/einladung_accept.jsp?key=IJHVH84CZDO6oUtlrRxHKt%2F6i1iO0k4%2FzjMLS4kx1S4hHXso758zCA%3D%3D).
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 26 August, 2010, 10:44:25 am
Hi Pingu,

it only works if I use Firefox. Same fancy pics with other browsers.
What browser do you use?

Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: eck on 26 August, 2010, 10:49:20 am
Try this (http://www.arcor.de/palb/einladung_accept.jsp?key=IJHVH84CZDO6oUtlrRxHKt%2F6i1iO0k4%2FzjMLS4kx1S4hHXso758zCA%3D%3D).
:thumbsup:
Pic 41, taken at Nauen, is interesting:
It looks like you can't decide whether to turn right into the control, or just go straight to the car park and hang your bike on the red Honda Jazz.  :'(

Quote of the ride: Pingu - after his tumble on the level crossing: "As I lay on the ground, the looks on your faces told me: You're fucked."
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: mattc on 26 August, 2010, 10:56:06 am
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:

Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 26 August, 2010, 10:57:52 am
Hi Pingu,

it only works if I use Firefox. Same fancy pics with other browsers.
What browser do you use?

I used IE (I'm at work). Felix's link on the HBKH site gets redirected to the link you posted above (that's what appears in the address bar when you get to the pictures). Do you have some sort of security option in Safari to stop this kind of redirection?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 26 August, 2010, 11:14:26 am
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:
Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)

Ah - sweet; but life as #68 in the first set looks more interesting ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 August, 2010, 12:11:44 pm
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:

Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)


"Das Album kann nicht angezeigt werden!"

Bah!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: hellymedic on 26 August, 2010, 12:17:54 pm
Obligatory Iddu loon picture:

Arcor Fotoalbum (http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup.jsp?albumID=34566549&pos=68&firstVisit=0&interval=0&noInfos=0&stop=0)


"Das Album kann nicht angezeigt werden!"

Bah!

Wie Schade! Es war sehr schön..

(http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/82/6027682/3361303839363363.jpg)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 August, 2010, 12:44:01 pm
Vielen Dank'.

Ah, ein Nutter.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: hellymedic on 26 August, 2010, 12:48:12 pm
Nur einem Nutter an HBKH? Ich gelaub gibts vieler Nuttern!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 26 August, 2010, 01:40:17 pm
[D-i-L]
You're not wired up right
[/D-i-L]
 ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 26 August, 2010, 02:19:21 pm
Lars & Monica called you The Cowboy  :)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Pingu on 26 August, 2010, 06:38:32 pm
Hi Pingu,

it only works if I use Firefox. Same fancy pics with other browsers.
What browser do you use?

I used IE (I'm at work). Felix's link on the HBKH site gets redirected to the link you posted above (that's what appears in the address bar when you get to the pictures). Do you have some sort of security option in Safari to stop this kind of redirection?

Also works at home with Opera.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 27 August, 2010, 08:48:45 am
My ride home from Hamburg has been further delayed by a collapsing rear rim. I think I mentioned somewhere near Rimberg to Valkyrie a pulsing when using the rear brake - well, now I know why. I wasn't man enough to try a MacNasty-esque bodge, so took it into the first bike shop I came to, and I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 27 August, 2010, 08:59:35 am
Lars & Monica called you The Cowboy  :)
Thanks L&M - but I'm not even close to The Metal Cowboy (http://www.metalcowboy.com/)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: arvid on 27 August, 2010, 09:40:43 am
I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.

That's an hour away from me by bike. I guess you'll just get a new rim that has to be spoked in?
Lucky for you the nightlife of Almelo is famous:

      YouTube
            - Herman Finkers - uitgaansleven in Almelo
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63f2xQTuQ3g)
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 27 August, 2010, 10:41:09 am
Yes, they didn't have a compatible ready-built wheel so it's a rebuild.

97.6% of the video was over my  head but I get the drift. Yup, that's Almelo.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: arvid on 27 August, 2010, 12:33:40 pm
If you would like advice on your route or company until Deventer/IJssel river (I guess you'll be heading there) I'd be happy to help. I am quite fond of the route from Enschede to Deventer(short, fast, low traffic, nice scenery), but from Almelo it means quite a detour.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 27 August, 2010, 01:59:27 pm
I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.

That's an hour away from me by bike. I guess you'll just get a new rim that has to be spoked in?
Lucky for you the nightlife of Almelo is famous:

      YouTube
            - Herman Finkers - uitgaansleven in Almelo
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63f2xQTuQ3g)
He fails to mention the fascinating Stadsmuseum, the Bakkerijmuseum, or the Weverhusje, which describes it's location as "midden in het kloppenden hart van Almelo". But most of all he fails to mention Home (http://www.profrondealmelo.nl) (town centre racing tonight 17:00 to 22:45). There's an impressive start list for the men's race (Samuel Sanchez topping the bill).
[/quote]
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Randy Famosa on 27 August, 2010, 02:14:05 pm
Hi Hellymedic,

here´s the male quarter of Randy & MacBady.

You say you´re not interested in "gurls busties"...

1) You seem to be female. But to tell the truth, even men do not really like "gurls busties" either. But we have to, like we have to like womens new dresses, handbags ... . So first) we men are gentle and second) if we men say "we do not like them" you women do not talk to us any more and do not go shopping with us - but that is excactly what we really want!

2) In 2010 at HBKH the cyclists went to "LUST". None of them stayed. Now read this: In 2007 5.200 cyclists joined P-B-P. There´s a little folk in north-west of France called the "Gallians". The Romans and everyone else knows they were (and still are!) stubborn rebels. And here´s the proof:  1700 of them never came back and stayed in "BRE(a)ST"! Isn´t that bustie? (they´re stupid the Gallians...)

 ;)

Randy  
 
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 27 August, 2010, 02:19:48 pm
If you would like advice on your route or company until Deventer/IJssel river (I guess you'll be heading there) I'd be happy to help. I am quite fond of the route from Enschede to Deventer(short, fast, low traffic, nice scenery), but from Almelo it means quite a detour.

Enschede is rather out of my way but I'd be grateful for any route advice.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 27 August, 2010, 02:32:00 pm
My ride home from Hamburg has been further delayed by a collapsing rear rim. I think I mentioned somewhere near Rimberg to Valkyrie a pulsing when using the rear brake - well, now I know why. I wasn't man enough to try a MacNasty-esque bodge, so took it into the first bike shop I came to, and I'm stuck in Almelo for the duration. Wim at Smit de Fietspecialist reckons it might be ready today.

Unlucky Salvatore - there's nothing worse than a collapsing rim. Reminds me of a comment Maverick made as we pedalled through the night towards Lindern - "My shorts feel really sticky - I think something's burst" :sick:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Sabine on 01 September, 2010, 03:56:43 pm
Hi all,
Just to let you all know that your points will be credited to you all in due course.I have had confirmation of this .
Once again well done to all of you and it was lovely meeting you all. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 03 September, 2010, 11:33:59 am
Now that I'm home with access to a decent keyboard, some random stuff.

I don't know whether anyone has mentioned this, but it was wet, very wet. It was nice when the rain slackened off to a mere deluge and I gather Messinghausen B&Q was doing a roaring trade in gopher wood. But the wind was on our side. Tail wind out to Nauen, which conveniently dropped all the way to Herkenrath, then a tail wind back to Messinghausen and a stonker of a tailwind back to Grosshansdorf. (I had over a week's headwind and even heavier rain on my ride from Hamburg to Hook of Holland, but that's another story.)

George's bodge: the photo earlier in this thread shows not George's bodge but the 'better bodge' requested by George and carried out by a team of keen young Germans while George slept and ate. Georges original bodge can be seen here (http://picasaweb.google.com/johann.eilers/HBK1419August2010#5508330114289314962). Note the cable ties are left untrimmed in true MacNasty fashion. But that wasn't all. He'd also suffered a broken cable, a split tyre and 3 punctures that day, and had to repair to a bus shelter to patch tubes in order carry on. In his own words when he was standing getting his card stamped: "It's just not my day today."

Big thanks to the organisers and helpers - they were all great!
I finished the ride with Andreas (who has completed all 3 Super-Brevets) and we agreed that members of AC-SH were all incredibly nice people. In fact I think that must be the sole criterion for membership. I recall Valkyrie remarking that the only fault on the whole ride was that on one occasion the coffee pot was not in reach from his seat. But I do remember at Herkenrath, when I was sitting at the table, that things were being moved to within my reach so I could just sit there and guzzle. Likewise at Lindern, I grabbed some bread and toast and magically a range of jams, cheeses and cooked meats instantly appeared in front of me.

Jayne Wadsworth had a broken rear gear cable on the way to Nauen, but the old one couldn't be removed. Nevertheless she managed to get all the way to Messinghausen with only twice as many gears as iddu. There, while she was resting, the lever was stripped down, (by Uwe and Kolja, I think), reassembled, and a new cable fitted. Pictures and text here (http://www.audaxclub-sh.de/node/344).

...space enough for a woman on a moped to come in and do a u-turn before sorting out a stack of newspapers for onward distribution, all at 1:45 am...
Just to iron out the ambiguity in case I have been misunderstood: this isn't one of the many criteria used by John to assess the quality of bus shelters

It is now. Any bus shelter which at 1:45 am doesn't provide a stunt motorcycle display, a lecture on the the history of the bus shelter (and its predecessor) and personalised directions to the next control will be a bit of a disappointment. As to the shelter itself, it was more like a small cathedral. No pictures, as my camera got soaked in Belgium, but it can be found at Steinhorst (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Steinhorst,+Delbr%C3%BCck,+Germany&sll=52.689926,10.404727&sspn=0.185622,0.617294&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Steinhorst+Delbr%C3%BCck,+Paderborn,+North+Rhine-Westphalia,+Germany&z=14).

Earlier that same night Jayne had found herself shivering, without any dry clothes. So she and Gary got the next train to Bielefeld and booked into the nearest hotel, where their clothes were dried (and they were upgraded so they got dressing gowns). Next morning they got the train back to where they had left the route and duly finished the ride, flying past me with unseemly haste somewhere between Lindern and Verden.

As a French + German speaker I was called on to interpret for Bernard, the sole French entrant, when he signed in at Grosshansdorf. I rode quite a bit with him and Willi, a French-speaking Belgian, and enjoyed the hospitality of Gerda and Jacques, who were supporting Willi in a camper van. It turned out that they knew many of the Belgian riders I had met on HCH1200.

Thanks to the Audax Ecosse riders whose company I enjoyed at various times. I can now put faces to names. There was one of those 'what on earth are we doing here' moments sitting on the forecourt of the petrol station at Lütgenrode, sharing a meal of Jaffa Cakes and Pringles with eck, bodach and George, while the rain bucketed down. This was after a 140 km leg through the Harz and before a 130km leg to Messinghausen, which we rode straight through.

I had forgotten how relentlessly hilly the ride was from Messinghausen to Herkenrath and back*, but I'm glad I remembered the cafe at Bad Fredeburg and the Stehcafe at Aggersee. I do remember the dearth of cafés in Finnentrop, but Valkyrie, maverick and I managed to find one which had been open for only a week, which did lovely Pflaumenkuchen.

*but I hadn't forgotten Ferndorfstrasse.

I suspect I may be back there in 2014. In the words of Mike Thomson: "Top jaunt."


"Er hat ist 1500km mit diesem Rad gefahren?"
FTFY (sorry, but 30 years ago I was a German teacher and old habits die hard).

There's a write-up by Corinna (in German) here (http://cocoaufmrad.blogspot.com/2010/08/hbkh-hamburg-berlin-koln-hamburg-1527.html).

Stats (lifted from Corinna's blog)
- 68 entered,
- 63 started
- 48 completed the whole 1527 km
     - the first in 73 hours 31 minutes(17/08 at 07:31),
     - the last in 126 hours 38 minutes (19/08. at 12:38)
- 8 did 1145 km
- 1 did 950 km
- 3 did 740 km
- 1 did 460 km
- 2 did 270 km
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Maverick on 03 September, 2010, 03:55:12 pm
Welcome back home - sounds like the journey back was harder than HBKH.

But I do remember at Herkenrath, when I was sitting at the table, that things were being moved to within my reach so I could just sit there and guzzle.

The service at all the controls was superb but Herkenrath was brilliant - food just kept appearing in front of me and I had to almost fight off helpers when remounting my dynamo light after the bracket snapped.

As a French + German speaker I was called on to interpret for Bernard, the sole French entrant, when he signed in at Grosshansdorf. I rode quite a bit with him and Willi, a French-speaking Belgian

On the way back from Herkenrath to Messinghausen Valkyrie myself and Bernard were climbing a hill - Bernard came shooting past and Valkyrie jumped on his wheel (thinking he was finally going to take a turn on the front) whereupon Bernard kicked again and shot off into the distance. he had clearly tired of our company ::-) Or maybe it was Valkyrie's rendition of the Dambusters March as we cycled past some huge dams and reservoirs ::-)

Thanks to the Audax Ecosse riders whose company I enjoyed at various times.

Your entertaining stories of previous epics and prior knowledge of HBKH were most welcome :thumbsup:

I had forgotten how relentlessly hilly the ride was from Messinghausen to Herkenrath and back*, but I'm glad I remembered the cafe at Bad Fredeburg and the Stehcafe at Aggersee. I do remember the dearth of cafés in Finnentrop, but Valkyrie, maverick and I managed to find one which had been open for only a week, which did lovely Pflaumenkuchen.

The ride out to Herkenrath was the most enjoyable day of the event for me - yes it was hilly but apart from a couple of short sections never excessively steep. The scenery was interesting and with your knowledge of the cafes we had some excellent breaks :thumbsup:

*but I hadn't forgotten Ferndorfstrasse.

I don't think I'll forget that either - 10 miles cruising down a nice smooth valley road then a right turn into a 15%(?) climb - not so much the steepness as the transition from easy rolling along to hard climbing :o

I suspect I may be back there in 2014. In the words of Mike Thomson: "Top jaunt."


Likewise - a great ride
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 03 September, 2010, 06:36:18 pm
On my ride back from Hamburg I rode a short stretch of the route in reverse. Between Jesterburg and Lüllau I spotted a sign attached to a post. Below a green warning triangle with the shape of a big bird was the following text:

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Achtung
Bussard!

Radfahrer bitte absteigen!
Keine hastige Bewegungen
Bussard kann angreifen

Gemeinde Jesterburg
Der Gemeindedirektor.

or:

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Beware the Buzzard

Cyclists please dismount
No sudden movements
The buzzard can attack.

Jesterburg Chief Executive

I don't remember seeing any warning on the ride when approaching Jesterburg in the other direction. Is Jesterburg twinned with Holsworthy by any chance?
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: iddu on 04 September, 2010, 09:08:33 am
Welcome back home - sounds like the journey back was harder than HBKH.
This a new game then - make the travel more arduous than the events ;D
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Salvatore on 16 July, 2011, 10:25:51 am
Anyone else got the DVD for this ride? It was on my doormat when I arrived home from Herentals last night. I've just watched it all the way through, and I can't wait for 2014.

Quote from: me
I rode quite a bit with him and Willi, a French-speaking Belgian, and enjoyed the hospitality of Gerda and Jacques

I learned last week that Jacques is the brother of Marc Demeyer, who won Paris-Roubaix in 1976 (A Sunday in Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sunday_in_Hell)). According to local lore, when they were young the family could only afford one bike, but Jacques was too strong and kept breaking it, so Marc was the one who got to ride it and became the professional cyclist.
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: valkyrie on 16 July, 2011, 04:28:42 pm
Just watched the video and really enjoyed it  :thumbsup: I'd forgotten how well Hein suited the tarten bonnet!
Title: Re: HBKH Hamburg Berlin Köln Hamburg (14/08/10 to 19/08/10)
Post by: Bairn Again on 02 August, 2011, 09:35:35 pm
Just watched the dvd which was in my pile of post summer holiday mail.

Excellent.

It was proper wet though wasnt it?

Unfinished business.