Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => OT Knowledge => Topic started by: 1gear on 27 October, 2009, 02:34:19 pm
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My GF is doing latin at uni(she has to do it :o) and shes abit stuck.
She has 6 different nouns with adjectives, what she needs is words for the nominative, accusative and genitive in singluar and plural, or the didfferent occasions of these. If that makes sence?
Here are the nouns with their adjectives(i think)
Breue tempus
Celeris nauis
Ingens mons
Siluestre animal
Audax miles
So, can anyone help?
Which part does she take off to add the ending on?
I dont know any Latin, but i do know a small bit of French so, Merci mon petite pois' :thumbsup: ;)
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If it makes no sence then tell me and ill try and clarify!!!
Cheers
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For an example to make it any easier, for the Audax Miles one, itis is the genitive and that needs to go on some how to miles.
Another example is for the word urbs, which to change you add on 'is' and drop the 's' so it becomes urbis
Help anyone anymore?
Come on, ive replied to my own thread more times then anyone else. Deary me.
Someone reply, to make me look less of a tit
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Someone reply, to make me look less of a tit
I'm going to reply so that you look less of a tit.
I know no latin at all, nor in fact any foreign language as I just can't get my head around them.
Now I look like a tit :-\
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Someone reply, to make me look less of a tit
I'm going to reply so that you look less of a tit.
I know no latin at all, nor in fact any foreign language as I just can't get my head around them.
Now I look like a tit :-\
Brilliant, cheers :thumbsup:
Youve made me look less of a tit ;D
8)
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If it helps, I also have no idea :)
My skewl weren't posh enough for Latin. I could probably do it in Welsh, if that would help...
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I'd love to help, but I still don't understand what it is you are asking.
I know that Gaul was divided into three parts, I know the Latin for "a rampart anna ditch", and "tandem" means - oddly enough - "at length".
I didn't go to a posh school either, but I was around when Latin was a living language.
Civis Romanus sum. ;)
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If it helps, I also have no idea :)
My skewl weren't posh enough for Latin. I could probably do it in Welsh, if that would help...
Hmmm, im tempted to say yes, tell her and see if she notices, but i wont be so cruel ;) ;D
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My GF is doing latin at uni(she has to do it :o) and shes abit stuck.
She has 6 different nouns with adjectives, what she needs is words for the nominative, accusative and genitive in singluar and plural, or the didfferent occasions of these. If that makes sence?
Here are the nouns with their adjectives(i think)
Breue tempus
Celeris nauis
Ingens mons
Siluestre animal
Audax miles
So, can anyone help?
Which part does she take off to add the ending on?
I dont know any Latin, but i do know a small bit of French so, Merci mon petite pois' :thumbsup: ;)
For 'audax miles' Teethgrinder's your man.... ;D
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I did Latin at school, but have forgotten most of it :)
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I'd love to help, but I still don't understand what it is you are asking.
I know that Gaul was divided into three parts, I know the Latin for "a rampart anna ditch", and "tandem" means - oddly enough - "at length".
I didn't go to a posh school either, but I was around when Latin was a living language.
Civis Romanus sum. ;)
I think she needs to change the words to their nominative, accusative and genitive in singluar and plural form.
If that makes sence?
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I was good at it 41 years ago.
I can't remember what I was doing last week so have certainly forgotten my Latin( & French) which I could have taken GCE O Level a year early if the teachers concerned had got it together ::-)
As they say...use it or lose it :(
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I did Latin at school, but have forgotten most of it :)
I did French, i only know a few sayings know, which will make no sence or be of no use in a conversation :)
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Like Alan and orienteer, I've forgotten most of it. More than 41 years ago in my case. :-[
For 'audax miles' Teethgrinder's your man.... ;D
Never mind Teethgrinder, isn't Liz all posh and knowing of Latin an' stuff?
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My GF is doing latin at uni(she has to do it :o) and shes abit stuck.
She has 6 different nouns with adjectives, what she needs is words for the nominative, accusative and genitive in singluar and plural, or the didfferent occasions of these. If that makes sence?
Here are the nouns with their adjectives(i think)
Breue tempus
Celeris nauis
Ingens mons
Siluestre animal
Audax miles
So, can anyone help?
Which part does she take off to add the ending on?
I dont know any Latin, but i do know a small bit of French so, Merci mon petite pois' :thumbsup: ;)
I hope she has a dictionary or word list which says something like:
brevis, -is (adj)
tempus, -oris (n neut)
celer, celeris (adj)
navis, -is (nf)
ingens, -tis (adj)
mons, -tis (nm)
silvestris, -tris (adj)
animal, -alis (n neut)
audax, -acis (adj)
miles, -itis (nm)
The -suffix is the genitive singular ending, and you can work the rest out. Generally you take the last syllable off, and replace with the ending, but it's usually fairly obvious what to do in a different pattern. So the genitives are brevis, temporis, celeris, navis, ingentis, montis, silvestris, animalis, audacis, militis.
And then the answer will be a table something like:
| Singular | Nominative | Accusitive | Genitive | Plural | Nominative | Accusitive | Genitive |
| breve tempus | breve tempus | brevis temporis | | brevia tempora | brevia tempora | brevium temporum |
etc.
One useful trick---if what I've said is obvious isn't---is to think of English derivatives of the word. So "temporary" coming from tempus shows that the genitive is temporis and not say tempusoris
Audax miles, though. Probably the exercise was set by someone here on the forum anyway. Though normally you think of audax kilometres.
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She has a dictionary, but she didnt know which bit to drop to change it, if you get what i mean.
Ive passed that on to her, hopefully it will help her.
Thanks very much 8) :thumbsup:
I just emailed it her, and apparently the breuve tempus is wrong, she got it in an example and its different ???
Where did the u go out from the breue?
No your right, her teacher was wrong!! So it appears
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Oh, sorry, I learned Latin from an old-fashioned course that distinguished v and u.
She'll have breuis, breuis in the dictionary. Is it really not breue tempus in the nominative (and also accusative: for neuter nouns nom. and acc. are the same)? What does she get?
I've revised my original post a little, by the way.
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Which bit goes under which adjective or noun group? Theres 3 different types in the 3 declentive and she doesnt get which is which and which ending they take.
Thanks for the help 8)
If this makes sence?
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I last did such things approximately half my life ago at GCSE. Though I think that I would have probably been imbued with the necessary powers of declension at age 11. It's not a trick I can perform any more.
Though for the record I preferred classical Greek to Latin. You could always tell those students who had studied some Greek on a maths degree - they could read most of the notation with screwing up their faces and sticking out their tongues in concentration.
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I'm not sure I understand that question. The adjective has to agree with the noun in number , case and gender, and there are three genders (masculine, feminine, neuter). And then there are several different "declensions" of both nouns and adjectives, which are the different patterns of ending---she's probably come across three of those, too. All of these examples have the -is ending for their genitive, which makes them "third declension". She should have a table of examples of what happens to third declension adjectives when they're paired with nouns in each of the different numbers, cases and genders.
I was made to learn the tables by rote:
"Brevis brevis breve, brevis brevis breve, brevem brevem breve, brevis brevis brevis, brevi brevi brevi, breve breve breve;
Breves breves brevia, breves breves brevia, breves breves brevia, brevium brevium brevium, brevibus brevibus brevibus, brevibus brevibus brevibus". And breathe.
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Isn't phil the resident Latin expert?
I did GCSE Latin and unless you want badly written schoolboy softporn about what Caecillius got up to with Metalla whilst Grumio the coquos watched, then I can't help
at all.
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There are a couple of latin experts over on CycleChat... oh...
;)
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There are a couple of latin experts over on CycleChat... oh...
;)
And i take it you know the full story about CC then ;)
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I'm not sure I understand that question. The adjective has to agree with the noun in number , case and gender, and there are three genders (masculine, feminine, neuter). And then there are several different "declensions" of both nouns and adjectives, which are the different patterns of ending---she's probably come across three of those, too. All of these examples have the -is ending for their genitive, which makes them "third declension". She should have a table of examples of what happens to third declension adjectives when they're paired with nouns in each of the different numbers, cases and genders.
I was made to learn the tables by rote:
"Brevis brevis breve, brevis brevis breve, brevem brevem breve, brevis brevis brevis, brevi brevi brevi, breve breve breve;
Breves breves brevia, breves breves brevia, breves breves brevia, brevium brevium brevium, brevibus brevibus brevibus, brevibus brevibus brevibus". And breathe.
Thanks very much for the help 8) Shes doing it now :thumbsup:
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Last question, she wants to know if you know what the word for "hide" is, for example, "the king hides" so the 3rd person one.
Thanks very much 8)
I gave her a link to a translator but apparently its not right
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"Brevis brevis breve, brevis brevis breve, brevem brevem breve, brevis brevis brevis, brevi brevi brevi, breve breve breve;
Breves breves brevia, breves breves brevia, breves breves brevia, brevium brevium brevium, brevibus brevibus brevibus, brevibus brevibus brevibus". And breathe.
Reminds me of the grammarian's haiku:
Haiku, you ku, he
she or it kus, we ku, you
ku, they ku, thang ku.
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It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
[Oxford University Press, Edpress News]
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Various useful sites can be found by googling "Latin word list" (http://www.the-orb.net/latwords.html).
Abscondo, -ere can be to hide something or just to hide (oneself) intransitively. Delitisco, -iscere is always to hide oneself, though it's not a word I knew before googling1. If you're going to conceal yourself with celo, -are, you have to do it reflexively.
So: Rex abscondit, rex delitiscit, or rex se celat.
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1 ante gogolandum
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Various useful sites can be found by googling "Latin word list" (http://www.the-orb.net/latwords.html).
Abscondo, -ere can be to hide something or just to hide (oneself) intransitively. Delitisco, -iscere is always to hide oneself. If you're going to conceal yourself with celo, -are, you have to do it reflexively.
So: Rex abscondit, rex delitiscit, or rex se celat.
Thank you very much 8) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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You could really do with a half-decent text book. Mine was "The approach to Latin" but it's probably long out of print these days.
In the old way of learning Latin, one learned each noun by its declension, its nominative singular and its genitive singular, as per the dictionary. For each declension one noun was picked as the example, and all others of the same declension follow it. Thus:
Bellum -i (n) war
Singular Plural
Bellum Bella Nominative (subject of verb)
Bellum Bella Vocative (subject of address - 'Oh war...!')
Bellum Bella Accusative (object of verb)
Belli Bellorum Genitive (possesive - 'of war')
Bello Bellis Dative (indirect object - usually 'to' or 'for' something)
Bello Bellis Ablative (implying distance, perhaps of time, usually 'from' or 'out of')
As HTFB says, the adjective must agree with the noun in number, case and gender. A textbook (as opposed to a dictionary) will have all the tables in it, showing all the declensions and verb conjugations.
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Like Alan and orienteer, I've forgotten most of it. More than 41 years ago in my case. :-[
For 'audax miles' Teethgrinder's your man.... ;D
Never mind Teethgrinder, isn't Liz all posh and knowing of Latin an' stuff?
My scant Latin finished a mere 37 years ago and is mostly forgotten.
Posh Liz has a lickle bruvver called Phil and he used to sign himself as the forum Latin geek so he might be your man. He's got a job in Real Life now and might be busy though.
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Bah, I've missed the fun >:(
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Various useful sites can be found by googling "Latin word list" (http://www.the-orb.net/latwords.html).
Or Latin declensions (http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=hp&q=latin+declensions&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=0&oq=latin+de&fp=47ea12a4a5b96571) - Wikipedia looks good.
As with others, I fear that 35 years of rust may have affected my memory of Caecilius and friends.
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I didn't have the Latin for the Judgin' </Peter Cook>
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Nothing to contribute, other than:
No your right, her teacher was wrong!! So it appears
GAHHHHH!!!!
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Nothing to contribute, other than:
No your right, her teacher was wrong!! So it appears
GAHHHHH!!!!
Get over it, understand, accept or dont read my posts or bother replying.
Im doing English Language would you beleive.
Much love
xxxx
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Did you know that it is impossible to do sums using Roman numerals?
IMHO, that's why their empire collapsed.
Hope that helps.
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Did you know that it is impossible to do sums using Roman numerals?
IMHO, that's why their empire collapsed.
Hope that helps.
Since this thread appears to have served its purpose, I'll take it right off topic and suggest (cos I read it in a really well-argued book) that the Roman Empire collapsed because they couldn't supply enough energy to keep it going. All their energy was supplied in the form of food for humans or beasts of burdens.
The book was "The Upside of Down" by Thomas Homer-Dixon and it was so good I managed to finish it. I've not managed that with a book for quite a long time.
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Did you know that it is impossible to do sums using Roman numerals?
IMHO, that's why their empire collapsed.
Hope that helps.
Roman numerals aren't good for doing mental arithmetic. They're optimised for using with an abacus. Which is quicker and more accurate than mental or paper-and-pencil arithmetic. Especially at the state of the art in Roman times for arithmetic techniques. (when there were other competing notations anyway, like the Greek decimal letter system or the Babylonian base 60).
Much of what we think of as elementary arithmetic is surprisingly modern, thirteenth or fourteenth century innovation. Did you know that English primary schools teach subtraction wrong?
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Get over it, understand, accept or dont read my posts or bother replying.
'Condemn a Little More, Understand a Little Less'
It's a Tory philosophy.
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'Condemn a Little More, Understand a Little Less'
It's a Tory philosophy.
One which Henry VIII embraced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More#Trial_and_execution).
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Get over it, understand, accept or dont read my posts or bother replying.
'Condemn a Little More, Understand a Little Less'
It's a Tory philosophy.
Eh? ???
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I'm
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:thumbsup: well done :)
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Does anyone actually speak latin any more?
as in, actually uses it to converse.
And also, without wanting to suggest that welsh isn't necessary, is there anyone that only speaks welsh? as in, doesn't speak english as well.
Little known fact: the rarest language in the world is some south american one, and it is only spoken by two people in the entire world. Unfortunately though, however, they fell out with each other a long time ago, so it never gets spoken.
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Does anyone actually speak latin any more?
as in, actually uses it to converse.
And also, without wanting to suggest that welsh isn't necessary, is there anyone that only speaks welsh? as in, doesn't speak english as well.
Little known fact: the rarest language in the world is some south american one, and it is only spoken by two people in the entire world. Unfortunately though, however, they fell out with each other a long time ago, so it never gets spoken.
Probably.
My brother went to Cardiff Uni and a girl he knew spoke no English until she was taught at secondary school. That was a fair while ago though: my brother was 64 last week.
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Caesar adsum iam forte
Brutus aderat
Caesar sic in omnibus
Brutus in is at
As my dad used to say.
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There are a couple of latin experts over on CycleChat... oh...
;)
And i take it you know the full story about CC then ;)
cc?
Carbon Copy? ???
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Sorry, 1gear, I am not sure whether English is your first language or not as there are 11 errors in your opening post alone. You have not come across as someone with a firm grasp of English, mainly spelling. I am also sorry that I have just joined those who have pointed out some of your errors.
I hope your girlfriend is enjoying studying Latin.
As far as the Latin discussion goes, I am fascinated. Learning Slovak I can see the similarities with Latin as both use grammatical cases, not entirely the same ones though, and so the declinations are similar; far more than English is to either language.
The word is declensions.
Declination governs angles, often of objects in the sky.
Every post commenting on spelling and grammar usually contains an error...
;) ;) ;D
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Every post commenting on spelling and grammar usually contains an error...
;) ;) ;D
QED. ;D
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Every post commenting on spelling and grammar usually contains an error...
;) ;) ;D
QED. ;D
Indeed. My excuse for using every and usually in the same sentence is the hour of day/night.
Sleep is for wimps...
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Learning Slovak I can see the similarities with Latin...
Reminds me of a story that my German teacher used to tell. IIRC he also taught Latin, though not to me.
At university, a fellow-student had been faced with a Latin paper and the instruction "translate this passage".
So he did.
Into Croat ;D
Faced with the fact that the instructions had been complied with, but they had no idea whether the answer was correct, the university authorities contacted the (then) Yugoslav embassy to ask if anyone spoke both Latin and Croat.
"Well there is one person - actually he's a student at your university!" ;D ;D
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Get over it, understand, accept or dont read my posts or bother replying.
'Condemn a Little More, Understand a Little Less'
It's a Tory philosophy.
Eh? ???
It's OK, I was gently mocking Gonzo, not you ;)
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And there was me thinking is was irony :o
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Does anyone actually speak latin any more?
as in, actually uses it to converse.
There's a popular Finnish news broadcast in Latin - Nuntii Latini (http://www.yleradio1.fi/nuntii/). I don't know that anyone actually still uses Latin to talk to one another, beyond a few oddballs on the internet (http://latinforum.org/viewforum.php?f=19).
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Probably.
My brother went to Cardiff Uni and a girl he knew spoke no English until she was taught at secondary school. That was a fair while ago though: my brother was 64 last week.
Hmm... don't mind seeing it, in fact quite like it - but i always just wonder how much money would be saved in white paint by the amount of times "ARAF" is painted on the road. ;)
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Hmm... don't mind seeing it, in fact quite like it - but i always just wonder how much money would be saved in white paint by the amount of times "ARAF" is painted on the road. ;)
On the Bryan Chapman I thought I'd be clever by keeping an eye on the names of places (but mainly train stations) in order to work out the quickest way home should I want to pack.
Passing the first such sign I said to myself. "Ok, just passed Gorsaf train station..."
:)
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That's in Abergavenny, isn't it ?
;)
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Does anyone actually speak latin any more?
as in, actually uses it to converse.
There's a popular Finnish news broadcast in Latin - Nuntii Latini (http://www.yleradio1.fi/nuntii/). I don't know that anyone actually still uses Latin to talk to one another, beyond a few oddballs on the internet (http://latinforum.org/viewforum.php?f=19).
I heard there are some sheep farmers in [some part of the former] Yugoslavia. Their dialect might not be understood by Nero et al, but I believe it is real Latin and their first language.
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Me linguist.
Me Welsh speaker (plus other tongues)
Me making no comments whatsoever......
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They still speak Latin as first language in Vatican City, quod verum est.
Re the OP, send us a piccie of said gf's ingentium montium and I'll tell you the answer. ;)
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Do be careful not to get your Mons Veneris confused with your Mons Graupius.
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Do be careful not to get your Mons Veneris confused with your Mons Graupius.
Yebbut most yacfers don't have a Mons Veneris though I do...
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Most have probably had one at some time...
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Get over it, understand, accept or dont read my posts or bother replying.
Im doing English Language would you beleive.
Much love
xxxx
Sorry, 1gear, I am not sure whether English is your first language or not as there are 11 errors in your opening post alone. You have not come across as someone with a firm grasp of English, mainly spelling. I am also sorry that I have just joined those who have pointed out some of your errors.
I hope your girlfriend is enjoying studying Latin.
As far as the Latin discussion goes, I am fascinated. Learning Slovak I can see the similarities with Latin as both use grammatical cases, not entirely the same ones though, and so the declinations are similar; far more than English is to either language.
No no, im English, typing and writing just isn't my strong point.
It gets tiring after abit, that some, if not all people, can read what I'm putting and understand, but a few have to attempt to correct me. Its been done many times and its never worked. Its not laziness as you might think, its just how i type and write and i struggle to write any differently or even see my mistakes most of the time ???
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They still speak Latin as first language in Vatican City, quod verum est.
Re the OP, send us a piccie of said gf's ingentium montium and I'll tell you the answer. ;)
Yes but not proper latin, they don't put the verb at the end of the sentence.
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Here goes I haven't read all the thread but there doesn't seem to be any answers
singular plural
nominative breve tempus brevia tempora
accusative breve tempus brevia tempora
genitive brevis temporis brevium temporum
(neuter)
nom celer navis celeres naves
acc celerem navem celeres naves
gen celeris navis celerim navium
(feminine)
nom ingens mons ingentes montes
acc ingentem montem ingentes montes
gen ingentis montis ingentium montium
(masculine)
nom silvestre animal silvestria animalia
acc silvestre animal silvestria animalia
gen silvestris animalis silvestrium animalium
(neuter)
nom audax miles audaces milites
acc audacem militem audaces milites
gen audacis militis audacium militum
(masculin)
To be noted
1. All nouns and adjectives are third declension.
2. To be able to decline one needs to know the stem. This is normally quoted in dictionaries etc in the genitive singular.
3. Although all the examples are in the order adjective + noun, normally in Latin the adjective follows the noun.
gen
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They still speak Latin as first language in Vatican City, quod verum est.
Yes but not proper latin, they don't put the verb at the end of the sentence.
:o Et putaveram me excrementum bovium parlare!