Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Arts and Entertainment => Topic started by: 1gear on 18 December, 2009, 10:13:24 am
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Is art and pot making a waste of resources?
Im sat in a 3d lesson in 6th form, and its just occured to me that it is.
These pot makers spend alot of time and material making some pot or tea pot that they will never use.
So if u think of all the carbon emissions from this waste of time, we would be much better without it.
Kilns, they use alot of energy.
And, from going to a sculpture park, tthere was metal and other material used to make some sculpture to serve no purpose at all.
Some of them, were too delicate to touch. Whats the point in that?
I just dont see the point in this pot making/sculpture making stuff.
Yorkshire sculpture park is also pointless because u walk around a cold place looking at sculptures. Why not just put them all in the same place?
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Yes, dear. *pat pat*
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;D
Bless.
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I take it that neither of you two know either then?
All i want to know is whats the point in making sone weird shaped pot, that you cant use? Wasting all that electricity and clay(and all the other resourses used to extract the clay from the ground) to make a weird shaped pot, that you cant or wont use.
Now im going back to watching catchphrase
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You obviously don't value art for the sake of art[1]. So why, in the name of God, are you studying art? If this is VI Form, then presumably you have chosen to be sitting there artifying rather than doing something useful (like physics, for example).
[1] a view with which I have a great deal of sympathy
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I believe you're asking "what is the point of all art?"
I refer the honourable gentleman to 1960s Soviet architecture for a fine example of artless hell.
Childish dabbling is how you get started.
As an exercise, work out just how much of the national resource is being 'wasted' in this pot-making; numbers are more informative than going with gut feeling.
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Yorkshire sculpture park is also pointless because u walk around a cold place looking at sculptures.
That is the point :)
Why not just put them all in the same place?
Cos it'd look like a scrapyard ?
I think the Yorkshire Sculpture Park is great. Sometimes it's even warm there.
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I chose to do 3d because the teacher had me beleiving i was going to be doing woodwork and stuff on the lathe.
Ive done bits on the lathe and they are pretty good. But it occured to me today, just how much wated time and effort is put into stupid looking pot making.
Ill find figures out.
But i dont see the interest of looking at a weird pot that has no function other then to look ok.
People think BSOs look good, but they are crap because they dont work.
So they effectivly bought a heap of scrap that they can just look at.
Same with weird shaped pots. Bought some rock harde clay you cant reuse unless u smash it up and put it in the bottom of a plant pot.
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I love Bretton Hall.
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doing woodwork and stuff on the lathe.
Ive done bits on the lathe
Lathe? Do you know how much one of those contributes to greenhouse gasses?
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Yes, not much.
How long is a kiln on for? How hot is a kiln? How long does it take for a kiln to heat up.
How much energy does a pot wheel thing use?
How much does a lathe use?
So i think i just blew your come back out the window.
Im sorry ive just pointed out that clay working, pot making is pointless, but its true.
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Apologies, I should have used one of those little round face things so that you could interpret my previous post as being other than serious.
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The kiln should warm up the classroom and therefore reduce the amount of heat required from the school central heating.
It may be a more efficient method of heating the room depending on how it done normally.
Same as scrapping 100w lightbulbs for 10w tubes, they produced mainly heat so now all the country folk have to compensate by burning more wood, coal and oil to generate that missing 90w of heat.
Maybe we should all buy an electric kiln for out front room and buy our electricity from a renewable source company. That way we can save the world, keep warm AND make teapots.
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The kiln will be on over the xmas holidays, no need to heat the rooms.
The kilns are in a seperate cupboard, so dont really heat the class room.
Already radiators in the class room which heat the classroom up.
So its not more efficent,it wastes energy.
How many people or places do you know who have a kiln and use it as the only heating source?
Now when using a lathe, the shavings can go onto a fire used to keep you warm. Also if you dont like the work you have done, or any offcuts or scraps of wood can also go on the fire
Simples really
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I think you could develop quite a good rant, but you need more inspiration. How about visiting the Tate Modern down in London? ;D
I've been, and I think there are a few items worthy of the label "art" at the Tate. But as for the majority of exhibits... :-X
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Could we see some photos of the pots and the woodwork? We could then vote on the relative merits.
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The kiln will be on over the xmas holidays, no need to heat the rooms.
The kilns are in a seperate cupboard, so dont really heat the class room.
Already radiators in the class room which heat the classroom up.
So its not more efficent,it wastes energy.
How many people or places do you know who have a kiln and use it as the only heating source?
Now when using a lathe, the shavings can go onto a fire used to keep you warm. Also if you dont like the work you have done, or any offcuts or scraps of wood can also go on the fire
Simples really
The kiln will be on over the xmas holidays, no need to heat the rooms.
- Why is it left on over xmas holidays?
The kilns are in a seperate cupboard, so dont really heat the class room.
Where are the cupboards? Where does the heat go? (it must go somewhere)
Already radiators in the class room which heat the classroom up.
So its not more efficent,it wastes energy.
If the heat from the kiln escapes into the classroom then it's the radiators wasting energy. Most of the energy going into a kiln is turned into heat energy in and around the kiln. Most central heating boilers vent a huge amount heat into the sky as exhaust gases. A kiln is an electric fire after all.
How many people or places do you know who have a kiln and use it as the only heating source?
forty two(There's a bloody good Kiln salesman in the area)
Now when using a lathe, the shavings can go onto a fire used to keep you warm. Also if you dont like the work you have done, or any offcuts or scraps of wood can also go on the fire
and you are concerned about emissions? tut tut
Simples really
Having said all that, I don't think my descendents will look back at history, from their overheated, water-world, wasteland and think "It was those damn GCSE pottery lessons to blame"
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Waste of resources?
How about paying to educate people to A level standard in subjects that they have little interest in?
Surely if you believe the side effects of the course to be so wasteful and pointless then the only moral recourse is to pack it in and go do something more worthwhile? ;D
Let's face it, following this line of thought we have to consider that every essay that you have ever written for every subject during your education has been entirely pointless - no one has had the least interest in reading it (your teaching especially, I'd warrant). Ditto every science experiment that you've done or methodology that you've written up. All a total waste of resources. You should be ashamed of your self. ;)
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Im not ashmed of myself at all.
Im made to do the pointless to get a grade in a subject that i have a little interest in.
Ill put on some pictures of the bowls ive made on the lathe.
Ive been to the tate modern and a few other galleries when i was slightly younger.
All were pointless.
There was a budgy man outside them though, that was good to watch.
Plus, they are in london. Another place i dont like
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Your education has been far from pointless young 1gear.
You clearly understand that most of what we all do is pointless, and that most of everything is crap.
It takes many people most of their lives to get to this point!
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Brilliant, im well ahead then!
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Shouldn't this be in the RANT thread ? Or has it been posted here for our entertainment ? :demon:
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We could all spend our time producing pointless art. In which case nothing useful would get made and we'd all starve to death.
Or we could all spend our time making strictly utilitarian things, in which case we'd all have everything we need to sustain life, but precious little worth living for.
Humans from the stone age onwards have realised that we have both practical and aesthetic needs which, as a society, we need to fulfil. The most satisfying human endeavours are those that combine the two, and produce an object of beauty which is also practical and efficient.
What I am saying is, get back to work and stop staring out of the window, boy. :P
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We could all spend our time producing pointless art. In which case nothing useful would get made and we'd all starve to death.
Or we could all spend our time making strictly utilitarian things, in which case we'd all have everything we need to sustain life, but precious little worth living for.
Humans from the stone age onwards have realised that we have both practical and aesthetic needs which, as a society, we need to fulfil. The most satisfying human endeavours are those that combine the two, and produce an object of beauty which is also practical and efficient.
What I am saying is, get back to work and stop staring out of the window, boy. :P
Right. Ok.
You are right. Pointless things get made, like this:
(http://www.victorias-red-eyed-frog.com/images/graphics/sculpture021custom.jpg)
which will never get used. Face it. It will be sat in someone's house on display, getting dusty for no reason. It will never get used will it.
A more useful pot, like a cup, or a pot for cooking food in is a pot WITH use. And some can look rather nice anyway.
And no, this isnt a rant, i was wanting some art buff to come on and tell me the point of it.
Infact really, there is no point to art, so this should really just be the entertainment section. Name change maybe?
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Oh, good grief!
It's practice dear boy (girl?).
In order to get good at something you have to practise the art. Whilst doing this you will produce some crap. Get over it. It's how it works. Just as you wouldn't want to listen to a budding musician practise, you may not regard the products of a budding potter/sculptor with much favour.
However, if you don't appreciate a whole genre of art, then I suggest you're really not in a position to criticize. Just as I wouldn't presume to judge the prowess of a banjo player.
Of course, if there is no form of art/music/literature that you can appreciate then I feel truly sorry for you.
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Oh, good grief!
It's practice dear boy (girl?).
In order to get good at something you have to practise the art. Whilst doing this you will produce some crap. Get over it. It's how it works. Just as you wouldn't want to listen to a budding musician practise, you may not regard the products of a budding potter/sculptor with much favour.
However, if you don't appreciate a whole genre of art, then I suggest you're really not in a position to criticize. Just as I wouldn't presume to judge the prowess of a banjo player.
Of course, if there is no form of art/music/literature that you can appreciate then I feel truly sorry for you.
Oh god!! Listen dear boy/girl
Im not critisizing because i cant do it, more the fact that it IS pointless.
YOU tell me what the point in making a pot is, that you will never use, and will just sit somewhere.
You might have a few people get really excited about it, but after a while that will go, and they wont be impressed at all, leaving you with a formed bit of hard, dry clay.
Whats the point in that?
Face it, there is no point in it. Im sorry, but no matter how much you say there is, you havent actually given me a reason why there is a point, or more reasons then i have given with it being pointless. Making it POINTLESS.
Sorry pal.
(im a boy by the way)
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Some might suggest that it makes other ceramic work look better by comparison. Would that give it a point?
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Some might suggest that it makes other ceramic work look better by comparison. Would that give it a point?
No.
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And no, this isnt a rant, i was wanting some art buff to come on and tell me the point of it.
To lift the soul? To stimulate our emotions? To remind us that as human beings we are capable of more than just sustaining life - that we can create things of beauty?
That pot above mings a bit, admittedly. But heck, if you practice hard enough and you have enough talent, you become Grayson Perry (dress optional). His stuff is fantastic to look at.
I take you back to those Stone Age drawing on the walls of the caves. They are pointless. Stone Age people had plenty on their plate just trying to stay alive. But somehow they found the time and energy to create art, for no purpose other than the joy of creating something. It's a basic human need.
Some art serves a practical purpose, some doesn't. Both are fine. Take music. It serves no purpose other than itself. It is entirely abstract and ephemeral. It exists for an instant; is heard, and is lost. But would you live your life without music?
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Is it too late to swap onto A level Physics instead, by the way? It might save you a whole lot of frustration, as it's undeniably practical, and apparently you need it for Audaxing anyway.
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Would i live my life without music? Yes. I would. I do like music, but i could easily live my life without music.
No, cant swap what im doing, im fine doing it anyway.
Stone age drawings were drawn by vandels in the stone age. Like you get the vandels today who grafetti all over walls etc
If i could find the cable for my phone, id put pictures up of my work in wood. They are useful. One will be used as a shaving bowl maybe, the other to put soap in maybe. Wont just be sat on a window sill, or some stand being shown off and never used. Thats if they could ever be used.
My brother did ceramics for a while in 6th form, he didnt like it when i told him his work is pointles. Which it is.
Its sat up in the loft or in the shed. Its abit crap some of it though.
The pots he made has slight gaps in them, will never be used as pots. He reckons when he moves out they will be displayed. But why? ???
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Human beings are occupational by nature. We need purposeful, meaningful activity. If making pots isn't meaningful for you, go and do something that is.
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Maybe you'd be better off studying the written arts.
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Human beings are occupational by nature. We need purposeful, meaningful activity. If making pots isn't meaningful for you, go and do something that is.
If humans are occupational by nature, then why dont these humans make a pot thats got a purpose, instead of pointless pots?
Maybe you'd be better off studying the written arts.
No.
Although im studying English Language, so that could be me studying written arts.
No, its not. I didnt mean that.
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Human beings are occupational by nature. We need purposeful, meaningful activity. If making pots isn't meaningful for you, go and do something that is.
If humans are occupational by nature, then why dont these humans make a pot thats got a purpose, instead of pointless pots?
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Because that's called craft... ;D
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If humans are occupational by nature, then why dont these humans make a pot thats got a purpose, instead of pointless pots?
Maybe for them, the meaning is in the doing, rather than the end result. It's a bit like audax. Or posting here.
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If humans are occupational by nature, then why dont these humans make a pot thats got a purpose, instead of pointless pots?
Maybe for them, the meaning is in the doing, rather than the end result. It's a bit like audax. Or posting here.
Sounds abit rubbish to me.
Do an Audax, depending on which one it is, and it is purposful.
Posting on here, helping people out and educating, purposeful.
Making some weird shapped pot that cant/wont be used, not purposfuly.
Still no good reason why it has got a purpose really, does it?
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What's the purpose of an audax?
The point is, for some people, it's not about the end result. The important thing is just the experience of actually doing it.
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What's the purpose of an audax?
The point is, for some people, it's not about the end result. The important thing is just the experience of actually doing it.
Purpose of an Audax, see things, complete the ride and do that large amount of miles.
Ofcourse, its not got a large amoutn of purpose, and ive never done one, but it has some.
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But it doesn't produce anything useful.
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But it doesn't produce anything useful.
Your right. It doesnt.
Audaxing, thats pointless aswell.
Thanks Kirst, i hadnt really thought of Audaxing like that.
Although, it does create fitness does it not? Which help on more purposefuly ride, like riding to work, or commuting to somewhere else.
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Making stuff is rewarding, it boosts your self-esteem. So even if the object has no end use it can be seen as some kind of "therapy" for the maker soul.
When I was a student I built a racing yacht with classmates. It stole us our social life for 12 months, it was pointless (what is the point of a machine designed to carry 6 peoples to a place where they don't need to go) but it was definitely worth doing it.
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Your right. It doesnt.
Audaxing, thats pointless aswell.
Thanks Kirst, i hadnt really thought of Audaxing like that.
Although, it does create fitness does it not? Which help on more purposefuly ride, like riding to work, or commuting to somewhere else.
And making pots improves hand-eye coordination, hand and arm strength, concentration, lower leg strength if it's a treadle wheel, dexterity and fine finger movement...
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Audaxing, thats pointless aswell.
It's enjoyable
So's art.
What's the problem ?
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Your right. It doesnt.
Audaxing, thats pointless aswell.
Thanks Kirst, i hadnt really thought of Audaxing like that.
Although, it does create fitness does it not? Which help on more purposefuly ride, like riding to work, or commuting to somewhere else.
And making pots improves hand-eye coordination, hand and arm strength, concentration, lower leg strength if it's a treadle wheel, dexterity and fine finger movement...
Yes, but making pointless pots, are often done by rolling out clay, making slabs and joining those on a shaped base or something.
Not once, has someone used a wheel in my 3D lessons. They are also not foot powered i dont think.
So all that goes out the window. Unless, throwing clay on a table, wacking it with a rolling pin, rolling it out, cutting it and shaping it, does all that. WHICH i very much doubt.
Its enjoyable? To some.
Whats the problem? People make pointless pots and waste clay. Its simple.
How is this clay not wasted? Look at this
(http://www.victorias-red-eyed-frog.com/images/graphics/sculpture021custom.jpg)
Its ugly, serves no purpose.
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The point of art is to make the people who 'get it' superior to those who don't. Or to make money for the artist. Or to make something prettier. Most of qualifies for a point under the first or second, but not the third. I've worked for 3 artists (2 mums, one dad) and their work almost exclusively fell into the second category. Since it indirectly pays my wages, I'd say the point is to do that and the wasted resources are considerably less than those wasted by some of the other Crap-merchants that I've worked for.
My boss has just bought one of these. (http://huset-shop.com/designblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/front_1.jpg) Even the baby thinks it's odd. ;D
I think there are worse ways of wasting the earth's resources though.
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It's not the best example of pottery I've seen, I think it's intended to be decorative rather than functional. But if we only made stuff that was functional the world would be a very dull place..
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It's not the best example of pottery I've seen, I think it's intended to be decorative rather than functional. But if we only made stuff that was functional the world would be a very dull place..
No it wouldnt. The things that are functional would be better looking.
Your pie dish would be better looking. Bowls and plates better looking. Everything better.
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What's the point of wasting the effort and materials making something functional look good?
Pointless
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(http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/Lenox/6050397_wHR?$medium$)
This I'd eat from.... it's functional, utilitarian and no too unattractive..
This I'd display... it's beautiful craftsmanship, but the skill of the craftsman and rarity of his work makes it too valuble for daily use.
(http://retroartglass.com/content/00/01/40/15/01/userimages/Large%20Seguso%20art%20glass%20bowl/Vintage-Italian-glass.jpg)
(http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T02/T02297_9.jpg)
This I'd display,(if I was rich enough). A lump of bronze, but _I_ find the way the artist has cast it and treated it beautiful... so do lots of other people..
My parents like art and antiques, as a child and teenager I was dragged around museums, galleries, antique shops etc... I hated it. I hated art lessons at school. These days I walk around galleries and museums myself, enjoying it, and giving amused looks to the surly kids with their parents...
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What's the point of wasting the effort and materials making something functional look good?
Pointless
Exactly!! That's why we all ride around on bikes painted the same functional colour !
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No it wouldnt. The things that are functional would be better looking.
Your pie dish would be better looking. Bowls and plates better looking. Everything better.
And presumably you're the best judge of what is better looking?
This is where I get really patronising.
When you've been around a bit longer you will realise that not everybody necessarily shares your wonderful good taste and that they like and enjoy stuff you find hideous.
I can't believe I bothered to write that.
You are taking the piss aren't you?
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(http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T02/T02297_9.jpg)
That's the answer.
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Yes, but making pointless pots, are often done by rolling out clay, making slabs and joining those on a shaped base or something.
Not once, has someone used a wheel in my 3D lessons. They are also not foot powered i dont think.
So all that goes out the window. Unless, throwing clay on a table, wacking it with a rolling pin, rolling it out, cutting it and shaping it, does all that. WHICH i very much doubt.
Its enjoyable? To some.
Whats the problem? People make pointless pots and waste clay. Its simple.
How is this clay not wasted? Look at this
(http://www.victorias-red-eyed-frog.com/images/graphics/sculpture021custom.jpg)
Its ugly, serves no purpose.
Making of slab pots and coil pots covers all those things except the use of the treadle. But you're still missing the point. For many people, the activity of actually making something is what has meaning and purpose for them, regardless of how other people perceive the quality of the end product. I make silver jewellery. Some of what I've made has been quite nice. Some of it has been horrendous disasters. The important thing for me is that I've done it anyway, I've enjoyed the process of trying it, and I've learned from what's gone wrong - although that's only a minor part of it. I just enjoy the process.
If you're going to say people shouldn't do things which produce ugly results which have no purpose, an awful lot of people are going to have to stop breeding.
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Nicknack, im sorry pal, but your wrong.
Im sorry, just give up.
Pot making that will just be displayed and not used is pointless.
Im going to get a picture and put it up of some more work that i think is pointless. Its some clay done in a bended shape that goes along with patterns on. That wont make sence though.
Also, drawing? Why not just take a picture? Quicker, better looking, better quality. Better at everything really. So why draw?
Ok there are some occasions when drawing is good, but i got told to make a quick sketch of things, had 3 mins to do it. Why not just take a picture, and relax in those other mins you have spare?
Face it. This all makes sence really.
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Nicknack, im sorry pal, but your wrong.
Im sorry, just give up.
Pot making that will just be displayed and not used is pointless.
Im going to get a picture and put it up of some more work that i think is pointless. Its some clay done in a bended shape that goes along with patterns on. That wont make sence though.
Also, drawing? Why not just take a picture? Quicker, better looking, better quality. Better at everything really. So why draw?
Ok there are some occasions when drawing is good, but i got told to make a quick sketch of things, had 3 mins to do it. Why not just take a picture, and relax in those other mins you have spare?
Face it. This all makes sence really.
All of that is opinion and not fact.
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Its fact.
You just cant see it.
Sorry.
And no amount of telling me other wise will perusade me.
You need to take a look deep down, and try and see what it really is.
Sorry Kirst
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I think instead of teaching you pottery, your school would be better employed teaching you critical thinking and the difference between fact and opinion.
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No that would be pointless aswell. I already know that ;)
I think you could be taught to relax more and take on whats said. Not everything you read or that you think you should think is fact.
Its people with a different thought pattern to other people that make the world better and different.
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This thread in essence assumes a grasp of the meaning of the terms 'the point in' and conversely 'pointless', however:
Quite simply the point of a tea pot is to make tea with.
The point of a bowl is to eat out of.
The fact that it isn't as good as one you have bought from a shop and thus would prefer to use as it is perfect in shape and finish, isn't *its* fault.
Just imagine if you were living in the 15th century in a village of mudpackers, you have got no John Lewis to just nip out to and get a nice shiny new perfectly-finished white perfectly painted teapot - oh no. You would have to make your own out of clay.
1) You wouldn't have the luxury of a motorised turntable to make it out of, you'd probably have to use a dog on a treadmill or something.
2)You would also have to mine your own clay out, which is where the mudpackers come in.
You obviously don't value art for the sake of art[1]. So why, in the name of God, are you studying art? If this is VI Form, then presumably you have chosen to be sitting there artifying rather than doing something useful (like physics, for example).
[1] a view with which I have a great deal of sympathy
i beg to differ ;) ::-)
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Its people with a different thought pattern to other people that make the world better and different.
This is exactly what I, Kirsty and nicknack are trying to argue.
Some people find purely decorative pottery beautiful, and that the act of making it or looking at it enriches their lives. Therefore it is not (for everyone) pointless. You appear to be arguing that this is not a valid point of view.
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This I'd display... it's beautiful craftsmanship, but the skill of the craftsman and rarity of his work makes it too valuble for daily use.
(http://retroartglass.com/content/00/01/40/15/01/userimages/Large%20Seguso%20art%20glass%20bowl/Vintage-Italian-glass.jpg)
I personally wouldn't use that either - but only 'cos I don't smoke :-\ :-\
It looks quite nice but I think it would look even nicer the other way up? :-\ i.e. maybe if it was convex rather than concave...
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Dump the pottery and get some remedial English lessons.
Harsh, but would you rather have a better chance in the employment market than be able to discuss the merits of modelled mud on a cycling forum?
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Ben, if i was at a place where i didnt have a maker of fancy pots, and needed a pot id make a pot. There would be a point to making that pot, because i needed one.
Some, and quite a few of the pots and other clay work ive seen is pointless. There is no point to it.
Same with sculptures just dumped in a field.
Whats the point in that? Whats the point in a sculpture? Gets made with loads of material and hard work. Transported with heavy machinary, which pollutes the world more, to get it to some field. Then it gets surrounded by loads of sheep and sheep shit.
Could be worse. Could be surrounded by cows. Another pointless thing.
So at least it has an animal with a use surrounding the pointless work
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Jaded do you think theres no use to pottery aswell?
I do have more english lessons then what i do with 3D lessons, so its ok.
Hard to beleive i do English Language isnt it? Mon petite pois ;)
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Ben, if i was at a place where i didnt have a maker of fancy pots, and needed a pot id make a pot. There would be a point to making that pot, because i needed one.
Some, and quite a few of the pots and other clay work ive seen is pointless. There is no point to it.
Same with sculptures just dumped in a field.
Whats the point in that? Whats the point in a sculpture? Gets made with loads of material and hard work. Transported with heavy machinary, which pollutes the world more, to get it to some field. Then it gets surrounded by loads of sheep and sheep shit.
Could be worse. Could be surrounded by cows. Another pointless thing.
So at least it has an animal with a use surrounding the pointless work
But what is the point of humans? 2 legged creatures running around the surface of the earth and exhausting its resources! Some of them even managed to dig the earth crust to get zillions years old resources such as oil to power overweight metallic machines. Pointless, let's get rid of them!!!
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Hard to beleive i do English Language isnt it? Mon petite pois ;)
Not these days.
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I dont think your really getting this.
If it wasnt for us humans anyway, then the world wouldnt be how it is.
Evolution has made us be like this. We have evolved.
Unfortunatly some of the things there were done for the good, invention of the engine, was good. But how that has evolved has been for the worse. It created heavy poluting cars.
It has evolved again now, with more economical cars. Cars doing alot more MPG creating alot less fumes.
What is rather dissapointing is how because ive said something is pointless, you are trying to tell me it isnt.
But it is.
However, ive never said it shouldnt be done. Its just pointless.
If these fancy pots stopped being made, the human race wouldnt be for the worse and we wouldnt stop evolving, would we?
If we stopped making utensels, like pie dishes or dishes to cook chickens in etc, then it would be a step back for the human race.
See
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Hard to beleive i do English Language isnt it?
Not at all.
You are doing it in pretty well.
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You could, of course, become rich and famous with your pots:
Grayson Perry - Artwork - The Saatchi Gallery (http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/grayson_perry.htm)
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You could, of course, become rich and famous with your pots:
Grayson Perry - Artwork - The Saatchi Gallery (http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/grayson_perry.htm)
I read that as rich and famous with your posts. ;D ;D :thumbsup:
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You could, of course, become rich and famous with your pots:
Grayson Perry - Artwork - The Saatchi Gallery (http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/grayson_perry.htm)
Nah, I think Young Sir has got a point, making pots is just pointless. What we want is proper art, like this http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/scotland/Smashing-Edinburgh--gallery-window.5923561.jp ;D
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I think you are all being very horrible anyway.
1gear's lathe work is quite exceptional.
(http://www.victorias-red-eyed-frog.com/images/graphics/sculpture021custom.jpg)
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10 Pernod and Blacks - £20
2 tomato juices - £2
A bottle of Blue Curacao - £10
Stumbling in at 3am and spewing all over your mum's best ornament. Priceless.
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1gear,
I'll give you a fiver for it.
No, really, I will.
There - you've made money from it.
It now has a point.
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If you enjoy woodturning, is there any chance at all you can use these classes to try your hand at throwing pots on a wheel? Conceptually quite similar to a lathe, except that you're working with a plastic material. And perhaps more likely to yield something you'd like to eat your breakfast out of :).
In any case, I'd rate pottery as a pretty important step in the development of humans as a technological species. Perhaps not quite up there with metallurgy, but not so very far behind. There's something to be said for experiencing such a fundamental technological innovation yourself (or so my inner geek says, anyway!).
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No that would be pointless aswell. I already know that ;)
I think you could be taught to relax more and take on whats said. Not everything you read or that you think you should think is fact.
Its people with a different thought pattern to other people that make the world better and different.
You appear to think that just because something is your opinion, it's fact. You're wrong. Now, I have more important worries in my life at the moment than teaching a pretentious and patronising teenager the difference between fact and opinion, so forgive me if I bow out of this conversation, but before I go, I suggest you do some reading about the theory behind occupational therapy and occupational deprivation - you might learn something.
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You appear to think that just because something is your opinion, it's fact.
Ahh, teenagers... gawd bless 'em.
I wish I knew as much now as I did then.
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No that would be pointless aswell. I already know that ;)
I think you could be taught to relax more and take on whats said. Not everything you read or that you think you should think is fact.
Its people with a different thought pattern to other people that make the world better and different.
You appear to think that just because something is your opinion, it's fact. You're wrong. Now, I have more important worries in my life at the moment than teaching a pretentious and patronising teenager the difference between fact and opinion, so forgive me if I bow out of this conversation, but before I go, I suggest you do some reading about the theory behind occupational therapy and occupational deprivation - you might learn something.
Actually, on reflection, I think I personally had the purest ideas when I was a 6th former.
Then life polluted my perceptions and values.
Kirst - I guess you had idealistic views of, e.g. occupational therapy, when you decided that this was the thing you were going to dedicate your life to? Are these views still as uncluttered? Has a world of targets, budgets and "resource management" changed you.
I think that maybe teenage certainty is a delicate flower to be admired and nurtured before the bindweed of life suffocates it.
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1Gear, why are you studying art? I largely agree with you, but (this is the crucial bit) I didn't study art! There is something to be said for those who are going to inflict their creations upon us getting some practice in, but you clearly don't get it, so why not study something that you do get? Drama, childcare, PE, home economics (this really isn't pointless!), music... there are so many things that could be more your thing :). It's never too late to decide to do something you enjoy. I've spent my life doing what I like - I have few qualifications, but a job at which I excel, but that will never make me rich. There are very few days when I don't want to go to work - I love my job :D. However, I started at around your age choosing to do what I wanted rather than what would get me ahead. Happy is better than any qualifications. Do what makes you happy. Studying things that don't make you happy is a waste of resources.
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Ben, if i was at a place where i didnt have a maker of fancy pots, and needed a pot id make a pot. There would be a point to making that pot, because i needed one.
Some, and quite a few of the pots and other clay work ive seen is pointless. There is no point to it.
Same with sculptures just dumped in a field.
Whats the point in that? Whats the point in a sculpture? Gets made with loads of material and hard work. Transported with heavy machinary, which pollutes the world more, to get it to some field. Then it gets surrounded by loads of sheep and sheep shit.
OK, right - if you don't understand anything else, just try to follow this:
The pot that you made is pointless *in the current situation*. But if the situation changed and there WASN'T a maker of fancy pots available round the corner (e.g. asda ;) ), then it WOULDN'T be pointless. So therefore, it's pointlessness is *conditional* on there being a better alternative available.
So it could be true to say that it is pointless at the moment, but it is not always pointless.
Therefore, it isn't pointless by its very nature, it is only pointless as a consequence of the circumstances in which we find ourselves.
Do you see that?
Could be worse. Could be surrounded by cows. Another pointless thing.
So at least it has an animal with a use surrounding the pointless work
cows aren't really pointless, only their heads are pointless. If someone could invent (read: genetically modify) a double-arsed cow, then they'd be onto a winner, they'd be a millionaire without even having to bother going on dragon's den, the dragons would be beating a path to their door.
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Jaded do you think theres no use to pottery aswell?
I do have more english lessons then what i do with 3D lessons, so its ok.
Hard to beleive i do English Language isnt it? Mon petite pois ;)
Keep taking those English lessons, you'll pass the Eleven Plus eventually. ;D
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Hello 1gear, my name's Charlotte. I'd just like to tell you that I'm enjoying this thread hugely :)
This is my bike:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/Mercian/DSC_4598.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/Mercian/DSC_4367.jpg)
What do you think of it? Do you like it?
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Can we have a new thread called "Pots of the Day?"
I'm amazed that this thread has reached page 6 without someone quoting Oscar Wilde. What's the matter with you all? Where's your education?
All art is quite useless
There, that's better.
Charlotte, I think your bike is pants. Or should that be "I think your bike are pants"?
Ackshully, I like it, it is good.
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Nice bike. The tree is totally pointless, as well as the grass, and all of the sky.
Oh, and the camera is pointless too, as well as my opinion.
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Bars are a bit high ;)
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Nice bike. The tree is totally pointless, as well as the grass and all of the sky.
Oh, and the camera is pointless too, as well as my opinion.
and is there cow poo still for tea?
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Chain's a bit pointless.
I like those lugs. They're both pointless and pointed (see what I did there?). And the pointless two-tone paint job is a beaut.
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Charlotte has a beautiful frame..... ;)
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You are taking the pointless thing to the extreme now!
Ben, your wrong.
If you need something, like a pot, and you make it yourself instead of going and buying one, there is a point to it. You have made something that YOU need, so its not pointless. Not to you anyway.
Charllotte, im on my mobile so cant see your picture just yet. Ill judge it when i get onto a computer later.
Cows are quite pointless though. They create so much methane(40 party balloons a day) that they are polluting the world. Their fault for global warming maybe?
And we dont eat dairy cows do we?
Althought not all are pointless, the ones in Hoveringham that are pretty much kept as pets ARE pointless. They dont produce milk(they are big bad ass bulls. Some long haired flavour of cow. Highland maybe?) and dont get eaten.
Whats the point in that.
And goats?
My god, one thing just leads onto another
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The Highland coos that are kept near us have a point, in fact they have two very sharp ones each ;)
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Late to this thread.
Two things:
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain.
And Mseries' post on page 3 nearly caused me to wet myself.
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(http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss226/SgtBikeo/Awesome-1.jpg)
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Maybe we should just make a list of what's not pointless and get 1gear to check it for us.
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These (http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/07/worlds_most_perfect_spheres.html) appear to be pretty-much pointless.
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;D ;D Snort!
Ben, your wrong.
Your wrong what?Cows are quite pointless though. They create so much methane(40 party balloons a day) that they are polluting the world. Their fault for global warming maybe?
The party balloon being the internationally recognised SI unit of variable volume, perhaps? a bit like the area of Wales being the SI unit of lost forest? or units of bigness equivalent to London buses?*My god, one thing just leads onto another
Yup, keep going - you'll get the joke eventually... ;D
*Ah, but which London buses? is that yer good-old-fashioned double decker or yer new-fangled bendybus? enquiring minds need to know.
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Hello 1gear, my name's Charlotte. I'd just like to tell you that I'm enjoying this thread hugely :)
This is my bike:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/Mercian/DSC_4598.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/Mercian/DSC_4367.jpg)
What do you think of it? Do you like it?
Lovely bike.
Its got a point. Hang it on your wall and it could be art with a point :thumbsup:
Good to look at, and you can take it down and ride it :thumbsup:
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Lovely bike.
Its got a point. Hang it on your wall and it could be art with a point :thumbsup:
Good to look at, and you can take it down and ride it :thumbsup:
You may have gone from zero to hero in just one day. :thumbsup:
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All art is quite useless
But not necessarily pointless ;D
Actually this thread has fascinated me. Like much I read here, it has challenged my own (pre?)conceptions and behaviours. Specifically, in this case, how I, as an old git (And I am increasingly reaching the conclusion that that is what I am) react and relate to the young.
And 1gear, before you misinterpret, and get all big headed about it - it is not what you have written that has challenged me, but what others have written that challenge my reaction to what you have written. :D
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Lovely bike.
Its got a point. Hang it on your wall and it could be art with a point :thumbsup:
Good to look at, and you can take it down and ride it :thumbsup:
1gear - I am genuinely interested. Looking at the lugwork on the bike - do you see a point (apart from the obvious), or do you see it as pointless, and a waste of resources (extra metal, and extra work) to create lugs which are decorative rather than just being purely functional?
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Lovely bike.
Its got a point. Hang it on your wall and it could be art with a point :thumbsup:
Good to look at, and you can take it down and ride it :thumbsup:
And 1gear - I am genuinely interested. Looking at the lugwork on the bike - do you see a point (apart from the obvious), or do you see it as pointless, and a waste of resources (extra metal, and extra work) to create lugs which are decorative rather than just being purely functional?
Functional and decorative, i think you shall find.
Those cut out bits help to save those extra few grams :thumbsup:
All art is quite useless
But not necessarily pointless ;D
Actually this thread has fascinated me. Like much I read here, it has challenged my own (pre?)conceptions and behaviours. Specifically, in this case, how I, as an old git (And I am increasingly reaching the conclusion that that is what I am) react and relate to the young.
And 1gear, before you misinterpret, and get all big headed about it - it is not what you have written that has challenged me, but what others have written that challenge my reaction to what you have written. :D
Face it. Ive challenged you. End of.
Your own thoughts have been put to the test, and you have seen the other side to things.
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Face it. Ive challenged you. End of.
Your own thoughts have been put to the test, and you have seen the other side to things.
Yeah yeah yeah.
Where's the emo "whatever" smiley when you need one. This'll have to do.... ::-)
Functional and decorative, i think you shall find.
Those cut out bits help to save those extra few grams :thumbsup:
But surely Mercian haven't' taken a needed large lug, and cut bits out to save weight, but have taken a nice small functional lug, and added (at great cost of materials and workmanship, flouncy bits. :P
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Face it. Ive challenged you. End of.
Your own thoughts have been put to the test, and you have seen the other side to things.
Yeah yeah yeah.
Where's the emo "whatever" smiley when you need one. This'll have to do.... ::-)
Functional and decorative, i think you shall find.
Those cut out bits help to save those extra few grams :thumbsup:
But surely Mercian haven't' taken a needed large lug, and cut bits out to save weight, but have taken a nice small functional lug, and added (at great cost of materials and workmanship, flouncy bits. :P
Alright then. It looks good and is functional. Meaning it has a point.
Jesus, have you read any of this thread ::-)
Ive also questioned your views, challenged them and made you have a thought on the other side.
Your too much of a closed minded fart to agree or even take anything on.
Peasant. ::-)
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Interesting - do you feel using personal insults is an effective debate tactic? :)
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Interesting - do you feel using personal insults is an effective debate tactic? :)
No Tony, I think you've got Young Sir wrong - you know what his spelling is like, when he was calling you a peasant he was really meaning pleasant ;)
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Interesting - do you feel using personal insults is an effective debate tactic? :)
No. That wasnt an insult at all. I could have easily called you a wanker if i wanted to ;)
I do believe you are a closed minded person though, who wont listen because your older. Id like to suggest your head is somewhere, but i wont ;)
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you ;) :thumbsup:
I think you should lighten up, open your mind and not get so offended so easily.
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Hmm
If you think I am offended, you are wrong. It takes a lot more than that, believe me. I tend only to be offended by things that matter.
And it's difficult to see how you've reached the conclusion I am closed minded - so far I have neither agreed, nor disagreed with anything you have said. I have only asked questions.
I am in the "trying to understand you point of view" stage of the debate discussion.
And I'll correct myself............. - Interesting - do you think using personal insults is an effective discussion tactic?
;D
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Hmm
If you think I am offended, you are wrong. It takes a lot more than that, believe me. I tend only to be offended by things that matter.
And it's difficult to see how you've reached the conclusion I am closed minded - so far I have neither agreed, nor disagreed with anything you have said. I have only asked questions.
I am in the "trying to understand you point of view" stage of the debate discussion.
And I'll correct myself............. - Interesting - do you think using personal insults is an effective discussion tactic?
;D
Your closed minded and you dont listen. Ill quote myself.
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you
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Hmm
If you think I am offended, you are wrong. It takes a lot more than that, believe me. I tend only to be offended by things that matter.
And it's difficult to see how you've reached the conclusion I am closed minded - so far I have neither agreed, nor disagreed with anything you have said. I have only asked questions.
I am in the "trying to understand you point of view" stage of the debate discussion.
And I'll correct myself............. - Interesting - do you think using personal insults is an effective discussion tactic?
;D
Your closed minded and you dont listen. Ill quote myself.
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you
Does anyone here know Young Sir in person ? Is he always this obnoxious ?
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Hmm
If you think I am offended, you are wrong. It takes a lot more than that, believe me. I tend only to be offended by things that matter.
And it's difficult to see how you've reached the conclusion I am closed minded - so far I have neither agreed, nor disagreed with anything you have said. I have only asked questions.
I am in the "trying to understand you point of view" stage of the debate discussion.
And I'll correct myself............. - Interesting - do you think using personal insults is an effective discussion tactic?
;D
Your closed minded and you dont listen. Ill quote myself.
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you
Does anyone here know Young Sir in person ? Is he always this obnoxious ?
No. I can be abit abusive in person. But i am normally quite nice and not obnoxious at all.
I am normally always right though. Im like peoples mums, always right.
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I haven't used the ignore function before but I think I'm going to.
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I haven't used the ignore function before but I think I'm going to.
A good idea, I think I'll follow suit
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I haven't used the ignore function before but I think I'm going to.
I thought about it, but the entertainment value is currently winning.
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So soon :'(
Oh good, you havent used it yet :-* :-*
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Your closed minded and you dont listen. Ill quote myself.
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you
Go on then - tell me what part I've not listened to, and I'll try really really hard this time (although it is actually difficult to listen to a forum)
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Your closed minded and you dont listen. Ill quote myself.
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you
Go on then - tell me what part I've not listened to, and I'll try really really hard this time (although it is actually difficult to listen to a forum)
So no, ive not really used a personal insult, and im not debating. Im discussing, thank you
For the 3rd time now.
You also dont get the pointless thing, like i think most others has become to thinking like on this thread.
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Ah right - sorry, I understand now.
See, I (probably due to my age, it's true) have been brought up in a world where calling someone a fart is actually an insult. Not quite as rude as "wanker" of course - but still....
Obviously I'm wrong, and I take it all back. 8)
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Ah right - sorry, I understand now.
See, I (probably due to my age, it's true) have been brought up in a world where calling someone a fart is actually an insult. Not quite as rude as "wanker" of course - but still....
Obviously I'm wrong, and I take it all back. 8)
Maybe back in your day?
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Well much as I'd love to continue this fascinating err, whatever, I've got food to eat.
Plus, I'm bored.
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Well much as I'd love to continue this fascinating err, whatever, I've got food to eat.
Plus, I'm bored.
Discussion, not a debate. Got that?
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You also dont get the pointless thing, like i think most others has become to thinking like on this thread.
I don't get it either, this thread has actually made it more confusing rather than less, it has raised more questions than it has answered.
Can you just tell me your precise definition - one set of generic rules that covers everything, rather than specific items? i.e. what enables me to predict whether a certain item will be pointless or not and I will be right, without mentioning the specific item in question.
so, what are the rules - that make the following pointless:
* Sculpture
* Cows
* Hand made tea pots (when better ones are available from asda)
* Playing squash
but the following not pointless:
* Charlotte's bike
* Some audaxes
* Posting on here
* Hand made tea pots (when better ones are NOT available)
and can you just remind me which list (a) MTBing, (b) skiing and (c) tennis, fit into, because I've forgot.
Maybe if i understand the rules i'll be able to explain it to everybody else...? :-\ :-\ :thumbsup:
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You also dont get the pointless thing, like i think most others has become to thinking like on this thread.
I don't get it either, this thread has actually made it more confusing rather than less, it has raised more questions than it has answered.
Can you just tell me your precise definition - one set of generic rules that covers everything, rather than specific items? i.e. what enables me to predict whether a certain item will be pointless or not and I will be right, without mentioning the specific item in question.
so, what are the rules - that make the following pointless:
* Sculpture
* Cows
* Hand made tea pots (when better ones are available from asda)
* Playing squash
but the following not pointless:
* Charlotte's bike
* Some audaxes
* Posting on here
* Hand made tea pots (when better ones are NOT available)
and can you just remind me which list (a) MTBing, (b) skiing and (c) tennis, fit into, because I've forgot.
Maybe if i understand the rules i'll be able to explain it to everybody else...? :-\ :-\ :thumbsup:
Pointless things:
Things that wont really do anything, or serve much use, cant really be used for anything.
So, if something looks good, but doesnt function, then its pointless.
If something functions but doesnt look good. Useful
Something looks good and functions. Useful.
Sculpture. Pointless, doesnt do anything useful besides sit somewhere and have people look at it. No point in that.
Now if that sculpture did something, very doubtful, then it would have a point.
Cows:
The only ones that have a use are the ones you can eat. If you keep the animal as a pet, like they do on some farm parks, and you dont eat them. Pointless. Just using up resources and we dont get anything back.
Hand made tea pots:
If they function fine, and dont just get sat on a shelf to be looked at, then they arent pointless, and are useful.
Now, if that handmade tea pot didnt function, and didnt get used. Pointless.
Bikes arent pointless if they function fine. If they dont function right(BSO) then they are pointless.
Getting this yet Ben?
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I still don't get why humans are useful in your system!
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It was going so awfully well until we got to this:
Face it. Ive challenged you. End of.
(My italics)
1gear - do you ever post on Have Your Say?
You're not one of the "Werthers Original Imperialists" from spEak You're bRanes (http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/) by any chance are you?
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Pointless things:
Things that wont really do anything, or serve much use, cant really be used for anything.
ok, that's all very well, but that doesn't cover your self-made bowl that you posted a pic of - because it CAN be used. The fact that it ISN'T being used, because there are better ones, is beside the point.
So, if something looks good, but doesnt function, then its pointless.
If something functions but doesnt look good. Useful
Something looks good and functions. Useful.
assuming you think it doesn't look good - this in bold would cover your bowl, so therefore is it not pointless?
(remember that just because it isn't in day to day use, doesn't mean to say it doesn't work - it functions perfectly well if you decided to use it.)
to save time, and to avoid going round in circles, I'll pre-empt the next bit of your argument, and post my response:
"the bowl is pointless because it isn't used because there are better ones"
so does that mean that ford mondeos are pointless because ferraris are available?
"no because some people can't afford ferraris"
but some people can't afford a better bowl than that, e.g. africans
So are you still saying that bowl you made is pointless, in light of your (otherwise perfectly sensical) definition above?
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Racist.
Why wont Africans be able to afford a better bowl?
I havent put a picture up of a bowl ive made. I pic a picture up of some random one i found on the internet Ben.
The bowls i made(out of wood) have a point. They will be used as a shaving bowl, and a soap bowl. When they have reached the end of their careers, they will become fire to make some lovely heat.
But, if you make a bowl/tea pot for it to be looked at but not used, then it is pointless. Like having a pet cow that you dont kill to eat. Or a crappy bike you cant use because it keeps breaking.
Chickens are another thing that are....
Useful. Even if you dont eat them. They produce eggs, so are useful aslong as they are producing eggs. So, if they stop laying eggs and you are then keeping them as pets, they are useless, but if they stop laying and you then kill them and eat them, carry on their useful little lives. :thumbsup:
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Im like peoples mums, right.
Ah. You are trying to be a MILF?
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Im like peoples mums, right.
Ah. You are trying to be a MILF?
No.
I prefere GILF
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All art is quite useless
But not necessarily pointless ;D
"All art is quite pointillist"... no, I don't agree with that.
I'm thinking that Mr. 1gear is a fascinating 21st century hybrid of archie the cockroach and Mr. Gradgrind.
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Racist.
Why wont Africans be able to afford a better bowl?
Largely because they're poor?
I havent put a picture up of a bowl ive made. I pic a picture up of some random one i found on the internet Ben.
The bowls i made(out of wood) have a point. They will be used as a shaving bowl, and a soap bowl. When they have reached the end of their careers, they will become fire to make some lovely heat.
But, if you make a bowl/tea pot for it to be looked at but not used, then it is pointless. Like having a pet cow that you dont kill to eat. Or a crappy bike you cant use because it keeps breaking.
ah ok, so it's only pointless because it was never intended to be used - why didn't you say that! ::-) ;) ;)
But most jobbing artists don't produce bowls/sculptures/whatever because THEY think it looks good as an ornament - they produce them because OTHER people will buy them, the point of it is that they will be able to sell it for money, and buy bling bike parts with and grain for their kids.
And even the other people that buy them don't buy them because they think they look good, they buy them so other people will think they're rich.
Ever heard the phrase "neither use nor ornament" ...?
Do you know what it means?
So are you basically saying that an ornament is neither use nor ornament?
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It was going so awfully well until we got to this:
Face it. Ive challenged you. End of.
(My italics)
1gear - do you ever post on Have Your Say?
You're not one of the "Werthers Original Imperialists" from spEak You're bRanes (http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/) by any chance are you?
:D that's a great website!
I love this bit:
"Are they serious? Seriously? When the rest of the world is trying so hard to recognise Africa as civilized, why do they have to shoot themselves in the foot like this?"
You fucking idiot Africa.
;D ;D quality!
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So, if something looks good, but doesnt function, then its pointless.
<snip>
Sculpture. Pointless, doesnt do anything useful besides sit somewhere and have people look at it. No point in that.
Bollox, frankly. Its purpose is to give pleasure. Judge it accordingly.
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So, if something looks good, but doesnt function, then its pointless.
<snip>
Sculpture. Pointless, doesnt do anything useful besides sit somewhere and have people look at it. No point in that.
Bollox, frankly. Its purpose is to give pleasure. Judge it accordingly.
Bollocks. What enjoyment do you get at staring at a weird shaped tea pot?
Or is this some fettish?
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Is a weird-shaped teapot "sculpture"?
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Bollocks. What enjoyment do you get at staring at a weird shaped tea pot?
Or is this some fetish?
If one of my sons were to make a weird shaped tea pot I would take a great deal of pleasure from it.
It doesn't all work one way, life is fortunately more complex than that.
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Is a weird-shaped teapot "sculpture"?
No, i talked about weird shaped tea pots and sculptures. They are both pointless though,s o you can group them together, with SOME cows.
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What resources have been wasted? What else would you have done with them?
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If one of my sons were to make a weird shaped tea pot I would take a great deal of pleasure from it.
It doesn't all work one way, life is fortunately more complex than that.
;D ;D ;D :thumbsup:
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What resources have been wasted? What else would you have done with them?
I would have used them to make more useful things with them. For example a bowl for cooking or something.
Or just left it in the ground. Clay may soon end up like oil. Over exploited. Just so that weirdo pot/sculpture fetish people can make weird shapes.
Or send it to some poor country so they can make useful pots, instead of the people here making some weird pot with it?
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Spine Milligna, the well known spelling mistake, maybe of help here:
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Get it out with Optrex"
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Is a weird-shaped teapot "sculpture"?
No, i talked about weird shaped tea pots and sculptures. They are both pointless though,s o you can group them together, with SOME cows.
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No. This is what you said:
So, if something looks good, but doesnt function, then its pointless.
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Sculpture. Pointless, doesnt do anything useful besides sit somewhere and have people look at it. No point in that.
Sculpture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture)
Visual arts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_arts)
Art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art)
That's your opinion against tens of thousands of years of cultural history. My money's on the second of those.
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Damnit - There I was hoping this thread had died, and you go and get the stick out and prod him with it again.
;D
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You can have objects which are both functional and beautiful. The whole 19th century Arts & Crafts movement being a good example to think about:
Arts and Crafts Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arts_and_Crafts_Movement)
To make an object that is both functional and attractive you do need to learn the technical skills though. That means producing lots of mis-shapen clay idols masquerading as teapots that only a mother would love before you get teh pottery skillz.
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I always thought the purpose of making pots that bad was to provide something to occupy the dullards in the name of education.
Clearly I wasn't wrong. ;)
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To 1Gear.
Do you listen to music?
Do you wear clothes that look 'smart', 'trendy', 'cool'?
Do you go to the movies?
All of those things are 'art', 'design' and 'craft'. Appreciating and enjoying them is part of what makes us human.
You seem to think these things are pointless. I suggest then, for 3 months you try never watching a movie, reading a book or looking at a photograph or painting. You are not allowed to wear anything other than mechanic's overalls and an old sweater if it's cold. No jewellery allowed. You are not allowed to eat out or have anything other than boiled potatoes with beans, and can only drink tap water in case your senses are stimulated by food. No sex either, btw, because that can be about appreciating the aesthetics of someone.
No riding a bike. In the evenings, sit and contemplate nothing. No building snowmen or sledding. No playing either.
In 3 months time, come back and talk to us about it.
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To 1Gear.
Do you listen to music?
No i walk around in either my cycling gear or naked
Do you wear clothes that look 'smart', 'trendy', 'cool'?
A suit. My birthday one
Do you go to the movies?
No, hate the things. Cant concentrate for long enough.
All of those things are 'art', 'design' and 'craft'. Appreciating and enjoying them is part of what makes us human.
You seem to think these things are pointless. I suggest then, for 3 months you try never watching a movie, reading a book or looking at a photograph or painting. You are not allowed to wear anything other than mechanic's overalls and an old sweater if it's cold. No jewellery allowed. You are not allowed to eat out or have anything other than boiled potatoes with beans, and can only drink tap water in case your senses are stimulated by food. No sex either, btw, because that can be about appreciating the aesthetics of someone.
No riding a bike. In the evenings, sit and contemplate nothing. No building snowmen or sledding. No playing either.
In 3 months time, come back and talk to us about it.
Your wrong on the other stuff. How is drinking some juice pointless? Its just not. Your hydrating yourself and having a taste aswell, adding sugar in. Better if you have isotonic drink.
I dont read books, i cant read.
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To 1Gear.
Do you listen to music?
No i walk around in either my cycling gear or naked
Do you wear clothes that look 'smart', 'trendy', 'cool'?
A suit. My birthday one
Do you go to the movies?
No, hate the things. Cant concentrate for long enough.
All of those things are 'art', 'design' and 'craft'. Appreciating and enjoying them is part of what makes us human.
You seem to think these things are pointless. I suggest then, for 3 months you try never watching a movie, reading a book or looking at a photograph or painting. You are not allowed to wear anything other than mechanic's overalls and an old sweater if it's cold. No jewellery allowed. You are not allowed to eat out or have anything other than boiled potatoes with beans, and can only drink tap water in case your senses are stimulated by food. No sex either, btw, because that can be about appreciating the aesthetics of someone.
No riding a bike. In the evenings, sit and contemplate nothing. No building snowmen or sledding. No playing either.
In 3 months time, come back and talk to us about it.
Your wrong on the other stuff. How is drinking some juice pointless? Its just not. Your hydrating yourself and having a taste aswell, adding sugar in. Better if you have isotonic drink.
I dont read books, i cant read.
You are the swiss vet AICMFP.
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Thank you Zoidburg - that's the most comprehensible post I've seen on this thread.
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To 1Gear.
Do you listen to music?
No i walk around in either my cycling gear or naked
Do you wear clothes that look 'smart', 'trendy', 'cool'?
A suit. My birthday one
Do you go to the movies?
No, hate the things. Cant concentrate for long enough.
All of those things are 'art', 'design' and 'craft'. Appreciating and enjoying them is part of what makes us human.
You seem to think these things are pointless. I suggest then, for 3 months you try never watching a movie, reading a book or looking at a photograph or painting. You are not allowed to wear anything other than mechanic's overalls and an old sweater if it's cold. No jewellery allowed. You are not allowed to eat out or have anything other than boiled potatoes with beans, and can only drink tap water in case your senses are stimulated by food. No sex either, btw, because that can be about appreciating the aesthetics of someone.
No riding a bike. In the evenings, sit and contemplate nothing. No building snowmen or sledding. No playing either.
In 3 months time, come back and talk to us about it.
Your wrong on the other stuff. How is drinking some juice pointless? Its just not. Your hydrating yourself and having a taste aswell, adding sugar in. Better if you have isotonic drink.
I dont read books, i cant read.
You are the swiss vet AICMFP.
Wrong. I hate MOST of the Swiss. They were mainly arrogent, rude people, who, when asked for help, would just blank you and keep walking. Over charge for things, drive like idiots, dont speak much English.......... I could go on.
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To 1Gear.
Do you listen to music?
No i walk around in either my cycling gear or naked
Do you wear clothes that look 'smart', 'trendy', 'cool'?
A suit. My birthday one
Do you go to the movies?
No, hate the things. Cant concentrate for long enough.
All of those things are 'art', 'design' and 'craft'. Appreciating and enjoying them is part of what makes us human.
You seem to think these things are pointless. I suggest then, for 3 months you try never watching a movie, reading a book or looking at a photograph or painting. You are not allowed to wear anything other than mechanic's overalls and an old sweater if it's cold. No jewellery allowed. You are not allowed to eat out or have anything other than boiled potatoes with beans, and can only drink tap water in case your senses are stimulated by food. No sex either, btw, because that can be about appreciating the aesthetics of someone.
No riding a bike. In the evenings, sit and contemplate nothing. No building snowmen or sledding. No playing either.
In 3 months time, come back and talk to us about it.
Your wrong on the other stuff. How is drinking some juice pointless? Its just not. Your hydrating yourself and having a taste aswell, adding sugar in. Better if you have isotonic drink.
I dont read books, i cant read.
You are the swiss vet AICMFP.
Wrong. I hate MOST of the Swiss. They were mainly arrogent, rude people, who, when asked for help, would just blank you and keep walking. Over charge for things, drive like idiots, dont speak much English.......... I could go on.
Yep it's the vet allright.
Not many non reading sixth formers having travelled extensively in Switzerland.
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Nope it isn't.
No smileys.
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Nope it isn't.
No smileys.
The devil takes many forms my friend...many forms.