Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => GPS => Topic started by: rafletcher on 28 July, 2010, 09:26:27 am
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I know that somewhere on this board will be the answers to all my question, but there is so much info it's hard for me to find, so I would be grateful for a few pointers:
Simple questions really - I bought an Edge 705, and it came with some mapping installed. The so-called user "manual" from Garmin is absolute crap - so I don't know a) what map is installed, b) where it's installed, c) how to plot routes to it and d) how to change the maps (should I want to / be it recommended by users on here to us other map sources!)
Simple questions, maybe not so simple answers. My very first GPS and I want to make the most of it.
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Hiya, I just bought an Edge 705 too, and have been messing about with it some. Unless you bought a package with a specialist map included (like city navigator NT) then ur Garmin will just have the UK base map, has major A roads but not much else on it.
You seem to then have 2 options:
1. Buy an expensive map package from garmin or another reseller, the UK only version of city navigator NT will set you back £36.99 either on microSD card or as a downnload)
2. Get your hands on a free Mapsource file, this is what I did and used FREE UK and Ireland Maps Home (talkytoaster) (http://talkytoaster.info/ukmaps.htm) to find the map and instructions on what to do with it.
Basically you rename your map file as GMAPSUPP.IMG (having backed up any file with this name already from your device via My Computer), and copy it into the 'Garmin' folder on either your main device or its SD card if installed. Simply restarting the Garmin then seems to load the map just fine. I have been using my free map which is routeable without problems. I create my rides as 'courses' on bikehike.co.uk or bikeroutetoaster.com and save them as .tcx files. I then use Garmin's Training Cnetre software (free download) to import the files then upload them to my garmin. They can all be found under the 'training' menu as 'courses' then, and the number of coursepoints on the route isnt limited in the same way that trackpoints would be if you attempted to save the file as a 'route' and not a 'course'. So far I have done a 200k audax without any probems using a course.
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I've finally ordered a GPS - Garmin 605 - with a City Navigator map in addition to the standard, and hope to also get a Topo or OS Contour map. While waiting for it to arrive, I'm wondering........
1) Can I put more than one map on a single micro SD card (if big enough)?
2) Can I switch between map systems any time without loosing current route and other data on the GPS unit?
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Yes and no, to both questions.
With the exception of some recent models, a Garmin GPS can only access one map file, specifically named and specifically located on the SD card. I'm not sure whether the 605 qualifies as a 'recent model' but I suspect not. So you could put two maps on but the 2nd one would be of little practical use.
More sensible to use two SD cards with a different map on each (ie both named the same) - that works. Swapping the SD card will not affect your routes which are held in memory (even if they were originally loaded on the SD card - once the Route is made active, is is in memory, not on the card).
However you can also combine more than one map (eg City and Topo, or City, Contour map and OSM, whatever) into that single map file on the SD card - and the GPS will be able to display them separately or together, settable in the menus. This is very easy to do in Garmin's Mapsource software, and a very good reason to have it even if you don't use it for anything else.
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Thanks for that.
I think/hope the combination of City + Contour will be good for me.
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City Navigator + SMC Contours are my default map display (I also have Topo and OSM maps in the map file), and I find the combination to be optimal the vast majority of the time. City Navigator is fairly complete, routes properly and hasn't got too much excess clutter, and the contour overlay provides an idea of the terrain.
OSM is useful to have when you're delving into the murky world of off-road paths (which the Garmin maps don't cover), and has lots of occasionally handy POIs. The routing is, for the most part, not to be trusted, though. It also suffers from information overload in urban areas.
Topo is beautiful to look at, but isn't something I use very often for cycling (walking is another matter). It's sometimes useful if you're in highly scenic areas with more topography than roads, or alongside water (which tends to be rendered at annoyingly low resolution in the other maps).
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Yes City with SMC contours will work well.
I've got an essay about how to add contours, here (http://www.aukadia.net/gps/lwg_14.htm)
I use Metroguide which is very similar to City but a bit older and no longer updated by Garmin. As a result it has a total blank where Heathrow Terminal 5 now is. I sometimes have to visit there and OSM is very complete in that area so I have that OSM tile only, lying under the Metroguide map, and in the GPS I can just disable the single Metroguide tile for Heathrow and have the OSM showing through. In practice on the road the transition is quite seamless (I don't usually use the routing anyway).
Then SMC contours over all that.
I cycle mostly in France so I also have yet another mapset of contours from a different source, to cover the hilly areas of France and Switzerland. All these combine into a single map file on the SD card, it all works remarkably well.
There are limits, on the total file size and on the total number of map tiles the file can contain - but you won't hit them, they are very big numbers.
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^ That looks scarily complicated, but very useful indeed. Thank you :thumbsup:
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Another newbie daft question:
The City Navigator map on SD card: can I copy then sell it on to someone else, or can it only be used with one device only via some serial number trickery or something?
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Garmin tends to lock the maps to the unit, but I'm not sure about when you buy the SD card.
Personally, I've always used the DVD versions, (e.g. 010-10887-00). You can download them to an SD card, but also get the ability to plot routes on your computer using mapsource (and do the contour overlay thing that FF was mentioning above). It costs a bit more, but I use the computer mapping a lot for route plotting and whilst not perfect I prefer to plot routes on the computer using the actual maps I'll have on the bike, rather than importing something that may or may not quite match from bikehike or similar.
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If you buy City Nav on a SD card, then it is locked to the serial number of the SD card. So you can use the card in as many different devices as you like, but it won't work if you copy it onto a different card.
I'd agree with Matt, the DVD version is better, as you can use it Mapsource for plotting routes etc, plus you can combine it with other maps (eg contours).
Its not really possible to add other maps to the SD card version (at least without complicated hacking).
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+1 to the DVD; you can copy the whole map onto an SD card; you then have the same map on both pc and device;
be aware though that the device will still throw occasional wobblies and decide it's not going to take you down certain roads (must be something to do with the Routing Follow Road options in set up)
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Oh bugger, I've already ordered the SD card version. I was fully expecting to be able to copy it for my own use at least. I will return for a refund.
Thanks.
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Oh bugger, I've already ordered the SD card version. I was fully expecting to be able to copy it for my own use at least. I will return for a refund.
Thanks.
I think it was mentioned in This Parish a while back that pre-loaded SD maps were a money making exercise for Garmin (as very few people use a device in isolation); but there well may be a way of copying the map back over to your pc; after all that's where it originally came from; worth a bit of googling..
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Today I received my Edge 605 and SD map, and have already returned the map and ordered a DVD copy as I don't want even more messing about of trying to hack the SD or a pirate version.
I'm finding it difficult enough just to learn the absolute basics as I'm a newbie to GPS altogether. The hardware is impressive, but the user interface is shit and not at all intuative, in my 'umble opinion, and the operating manual useless.
I'm having a go with a downloaded Open Street Map meanwhile - which in itself seems quite good, as far as these sort of things go.
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The Garmin Forum is an excellent source of knowledge for the 605/705.
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There's also more documentation about maps, uploading routes, etc in the manuals for the software (GTC and Mapsource) than the devices themselves.
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Sorry for my grumpy post above. Steep learning curve and all that. I've had more of a go today and am getting more into it.
I'm disappointed though that I don't seem to be able to program a route directly into the unit without having to use a computer. I'm thinking of times when I'm out in the field but don't necessarily want to follow an auto route or have a route planned in advance. Can't waypoints be joined up?
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On-the-bike route plotting is a serious weak point.
I've had it recommend 80km routes where I know I can do it in 25km. It's also a good reason for tying down the route by putting in multiple route points when plotting on the computer. They are quirky - but I wouldn't be without mine!
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Yes City with SMC contours will work well.
I've got an essay about how to add contours, here (http://www.aukadia.net/gps/lwg_14.htm)
Thanks for that - I spend ages trying to work out how to do that with Mapsource, I've got no idea how you found all that out but it worked perfectly! :thumbsup:
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Done it!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I had to use MapsetToolkit 1.77 rather than 1.50.
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Yes there seems to be issues with matching the version of MSTK and the version of cGpsmapper, best to download both at the same time I find (but I also keep the installers for older versions that I know will work).
The SMC instructions for their own 'simpler' way of installing the contours contains a typo I think, which leads to their registry hack file referencing a non-existent directory - easy to fix once you've sussed it, but frustrating if you don't.
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You don't need to use cgpsmapper for that, you can just use the "install" option in MapSetToolKit, which will add the relevant registry entries for Mapsource.
Though I'm thinking it wouldn't be too hard to make a proper installer system for the maps, which would be much easier to use. I might have a go at making something for this.
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The TYP editor is not working for me (or I don't understand how to use it) when I try to edit Frankie's 13100131.typ. The file is not being altered after clicking "Save" on any line. It's not read-only.
I've tried it with Chrome and Firefox. (IE was no good at all).
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OK, proper installer for adding the contours to Mapsource available here:
http://osmalba.org/garmin/contours_v2_mapsource.exe (http://osmalba.org/garmin/contours_v2_mapsource.exe)
96MB, includes contours for all of UK and Ireland.
Just download and run it, pick the folder to install it in. Then it should be available to view in Mapsource.
No need to use any additional software like MapSetToolKit etc.
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OK, proper installer for adding the contours to Mapsource
Very neat :)
Edited query: am I correct in thinking that, in Mapsource, the contours cannot be made to overlay my main map (Metroguide Europe), and that the primary purpose of all this is to be able to view the contours on the device itself (in which the contours can be made to overlay the main map)?
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The TYP editor is not working for me (or I don't understand how to use it) when I try to edit Frankie's 13100131.typ. The file is not being altered after clicking "Save" on any line.
Use 'download TYP file' at the bottom of the page, to save.
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Edited query: am I correct in thinking that, in Mapsource, the contours cannot be made to overlay my main map (Metroguide Europe), and that the primary purpose of all this is to be able to view the contours on the device itself (in which the contours can be made to overlay the main map)?
Yes, I don't think there's any way of overlaying different maps in Mapsource. Though you can do this on the device, if you send a combined mapset to it.
Though it can still be of some use in Mapsource to an idea of how hilly a route is. ie plot a route on Metroguide maps, then switch to the contour maps. It will show the route on top of the contour lines. Though it won't show an elevation profile for some reason.
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Thanks fuaran. I'll try it later on the HCx - I had been hoping I could simply set the device to display more than one map at once, so I'll have to investigate how to create a combined mapset.
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Combined mapsets are easy; in mapsource, choose the first map (e.g. city navigator) from the drop down box. Use the tile select tool to choose which maps you want to load into the device. Then choose the second map (e.g. contours) from the drop bown box and choose the tiles from that. Then download to the device. Both maps get sent.
On the device, you can choose which maps are shown using tickboxes somewhere in the menu system (which varies a little by device). You simply tick both maps.
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Though it can still be of some use in Mapsource to an idea of how hilly a route is. ie plot a route on Metroguide maps, then switch to the contour maps. It will show the route on top of the contour lines. Though it won't show an elevation profile for some reason.
I don't think Mapsource has a concept of elevation. The contour maps are just lines on a map, IYSWIM. Memory Map is my weapon of choice for that sort of thing.
Thanks fuaran. I'll try it later on the HCx - I had been hoping I could simply set the device to display more than one map at once, so I'll have to investigate how to create a combined mapset.
While the device can indeed display as many maps at once as you like, most of them aren't transparent (the SMC contours are the notable exception), so they will for the most part obscure each other in arbitrary order.
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Though it can still be of some use in Mapsource to an idea of how hilly a route is. ie plot a route on Metroguide maps, then switch to the contour maps. It will show the route on top of the contour lines. Though it won't show an elevation profile for some reason.
I don't think Mapsource has a concept of elevation. The contour maps are just lines on a map, IYSWIM. Memory Map is my weapon of choice for that sort of thing.
Topo GB can give an elevation profile for a route. I don't know how it does it, if its just based on the contour lines, or whether it have some sort of other hidden elevation data (which presumably the 'unofficial' contour maps are lacking).
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Though it can still be of some use in Mapsource to an idea of how hilly a route is. ie plot a route on Metroguide maps, then switch to the contour maps. It will show the route on top of the contour lines. Though it won't show an elevation profile for some reason.
I don't think Mapsource has a concept of elevation. The contour maps are just lines on a map, IYSWIM. Memory Map is my weapon of choice for that sort of thing.
It will show elevation ("profile") if you are either looking at a recorded track that has the information, or if you are using the Garmin Topo map. So with Topo V2, Contours and City Navigator loaded, I can only see the profile (by bringing up the route properties and clicking the Profile button) if Topo is selected. Otherwise the profile button is greyed out. You don't have to recalculate the route to generate this (e.g. if you've plotted the route in CN, then selecting Topo will show you the profile). It's a shame that doesn't also work with Contours.
It's not very good, though, Memory Map is far better. One particular missing feature is the ability to point at a spot in the profile and see where it is on the map (e.g. to be able to try to route around it).
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Combined mapsets are easy; in mapsource, choose the first map (e.g. city navigator) from the drop down box. Use the tile select tool to choose which maps you want to load into the device. Then choose the second map (e.g. contours) from the drop bown box and choose the tiles from that. Then download to the device. Both maps get sent.
On the device, you can choose which maps are shown using tickboxes somewhere in the menu system (which varies a little by device). You simply tick both maps.
I think SP wanted to see the combination in Mapsource for on-the-PC route planning etc. It seems that's not properly possible. The BikeHike alternative looks good though, as it displays the good old Ordnance Survey map.
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Thanks Frankie for the tip about the TYP editor. I'll have another go sometime.
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I've managed to combine OSM + CN + contours for my memory card file. I generally prefer the look of CN, but OSM has more features for some areas, so it's good to be able to quickly switch between them without having to swap cards.
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I've naughtily obtained a free* copy of "Recreational map of Europe Topo v3" (as gmapsupp.img) - but the contour lines are only in 25m intervals, even in "Most" detail (at least for where I've looked so far).
* Not feeling too guilty as I've paid through the nose already for the unit and one map from proper dealers.
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I think SP wanted to see the combination in Mapsource for on-the-PC route planning etc. It seems that's not properly possible. The BikeHike alternative looks good though, as it displays the good old Ordnance Survey map.
Once you've got MSTK skills, there is a way to do it, using OSM maps which are pretty good in most of UK now.
Download the OSM tiles for the area you want. Probably easiest to get them from http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php).
Use MSTK to get them into Mapsource, just like with the contours, only this time set a priority of about 20 and non-transparent.
To have an OSM with contours overlaid, all visible in Mapsource, do the same thing but select all your SMC tiles as well as your OSM tiles, all into the one build. It all looks a bit crappy until you add a decent TYP file into the mix, to tone the contours down a bit. The TYP file obtainable from Andy's download page is a decent starting point.
This fragment of a screenshot shows the sort of thing - OSM+SMC in Mapsource
(http://www.aukadia.net/pix/ms-pic.jpg)
I often switch to this while planning. You can do the same trick in France and the Alps - you have to source the contours differently, and the OSM coverage is more patchy (often nonexistent, sometimes staggeringly rich) - but its still a useful reference.
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I've now got the Topo map into Mapsource. I'm getting addicted to this combining business. But does the unit (Edge 605) run slow if gmapsupp.img gets to a certain size and complexity?
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I think SP wanted to see the combination in Mapsource for on-the-PC route planning etc. It seems that's not properly possible.
That my intitial thought - not possible as you say, so I was going to see of what use the contours are on the device, if any.
For OS routing I have an ageing version of Memory Map if I want to check for excess hilliness.
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But does the unit (Edge 605) run slow if gmapsupp.img gets to a certain size and complexity?
A big map affects the boot time, and a complex one slows down the screen redraws, more noticeable on older units. (Your choice of zoom level is a much more significant factor.) Both are a price worth paying though.
There is a limit to the number of tiles you can combine - but its a lot, somewhere up around 2000 I think ...
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My turn for a few questions!
Are there any GPS units which have a "Go to" function, so that it can then plot a route from where you are now to get back home? Also, do any have the option to allow you to make on the fly adjustments to a route, so basically you can tweak the route when you're stopped, meaning it will then display the new route for you to follow?
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Any of the Garmin GPSs can do this: if you have your home as a way point, you simply select that waypoint and ask the device to navigate to it. If you do not have "home" as an existing waypoint, you can easily create it on the device.
If you deviate from a route that you have been following, it will recalculate a new route via the remaining waypoints. Or, if you want to make your current route go via somewhere else, you can add a waypoint but that's a bit fiddly to do en route.
Back to the contours: I've transferred the combined mapset etc but to be honest it is not really of much use on the device itself, but it was worth a try.
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Back to the contours: I've transferred the combined mapset etc but to be honest it is not really of much use on the device itself, but it was worth a try.
Can't you see where the hills are?
It's going to be useful on my Edge 605 when I haven't (completely) planned a route in advance.
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Any of the Garmin GPSs can do this: if you have your home as a way point, you simply select that waypoint and ask the device to navigate to it. If you do not have "home" as an existing waypoint, you can easily create it on the device.
They do, but you have to check the route for sanity - sometimes they do "interesting" things, like take you down long minor road detours to avoid a small bit of A road (if set to bicycle - which you have to do to avoid it taking you down motorways).
Back to the contours: I've transferred the combined mapset etc but to be honest it is not really of much use on the device itself, but it was worth a try.
The combined contours is mainly useful on the device if you are reasonably zoomed in (e.g. 80m), then you can see the contours as you climb a hill to know if around the next bend is the summit or a vertical wall to climb.
When zoomed out you can see if there are any particularly hilly bits around you, but you are limited by the size of the display in finding anything useful (like ways around big hills) - if you zoom out far enough to be able to see the overlying lie of the ground there is too much clutter to be able to actually see anything.
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Not sure whether to ask this here or make a whole new thread for it but here goes.
Say I'm following a route that I've programmed in for a long ride/audax and I need to turn the unit off to change the batteries, when I turn it on again is it a)possible to start navigating the route again but from halfway round (or wherever I got to)? And b) can the two resultant track/log files be combined into a single track for sending off for verification?
This is on a Etrex Vista HCx.
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Can't you see where the hills are?
What MattH said really.
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Yes.
On both my old Garmin Legend and my 705 doing what you suggest results in a single track log - unless you specifically tell it to start a new one.
You do have to make sure that you remember to tell it to start logging again after turning it back on.
If you are part way around a route when you tell it that you want to follow that route (e.g. if you've swapped batteries) then it will pick it up from where you are. There could be a short bit of confusion if it tries to send you back to the closest waypoint behind you, but that is usually obvious on the road.
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You can scroll around when zoomed in to see the contours anywhere. Far from ideal, but still a lot better than not having contours at all.
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You can scroll around when zoomed in to see the contours anywhere. Far from ideal, but still a lot better than not having contours at all.
True. I'll need to wait for a hilly ride to see how effective it is. Very handy installer ^ too.
Off topic again: do Vista HCx users switch the basemap off or do you just let it display along with your main mapping? I guess it is just overlaid by the "proper" map but I wonder is there any downside to switching it off just to give the device a little less to do?
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Going back to on-the-PC route planning with contours in Mapsource:
There's an OSM map from FREE UK and Ireland Maps Home (talkytoaster) (http://talkytoaster.info/ukmaps.htm) that includes contours that are all visable on your PC when zoomed in to "700m" with "Highest" detail level. Quite a decent area fits on an average computer screen at that level, though it's cluttered with too many symbols in some areas.
I used GMapTool and then MapSetToolkit to get it in MapSource, if I remember rightly.
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Say I'm following a route that I've programmed in for a long ride/audax and I need to turn the unit off to change the batteries, when I turn it on again is it a)possible to start navigating the route again but from halfway round (or wherever I got to)? And b) can the two resultant track/log files be combined into a single track for sending off for verification?
This is on a Etrex Vista HCx.
If you're using a Vista HCx, its best to set it to log the track to the memory card, then you never have to worry about running out of space. If you do this it will log the track as one GPX file per day. If you switch the eTrex off and on it will create separate tracks, but they will still be in the same GPX file. I'm not sure about the AUK software, but it should accept this. Or you can easily combine the tracks in Mapsource (or other software) if necessary.
If you're riding on more than one day (ie before and after midnight), it will create a separate GPX file per day. I don't know if the AUK software can use this, but they can be easily combined into one file if you want.
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If you're using a Vista HCx, its best to set it to log the track to the memory card, then you never have to worry about running out of space.
Also, enable the "wrap when full" option in the track setup screen. This means that when the eTrex's track memory becomes full, it deletes the oldest track point to create space for the new one (so you always have the most recent section of track in memory). The track logged to the memory card is *not* truncated however, and can grow as much as space allows. This setting is important, because with "wrap when full" off, the eTrex simply stops logging track points (even to the memory card) when the internal memory becomes full.
Realistically, this is only likely to be an issue if you have the logging resolution turned up very high, or it's a very long ride. But it's worth doing, because I guarantee that the one time you forget and get caught out by this, it'll be on a ride you really didn't want to lose the tracklog for.
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I would think the preference of people receiving these files for validation would be to receive a raw, unadulterated track file as far as possible. Things like, for example, spurious top and tail of track generated while travelling to/from the start/finish, IMO are best just left on. They are easily spotted in the software and only a minor inconvenience. Likewise small breaks in the track, they aren't really a problem at all.
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If you're using a Vista HCx, its best to set it to log the track to the memory card, then you never have to worry about running out of space. If you do this it will log the track as one GPX file per day. If you switch the eTrex off and on it will create separate tracks, but they will still be in the same GPX file. I'm not sure about the AUK software, but it should accept this.
When I submitted just such a track (created on a Legend HCx, with a break while I was inside Hereford Cathedral with the unit out of satellite sight) there was no problem with verification at all.
On one ride I was most concerned to see the early part of a track being deleted on-screen as I approached the end of a 200+k ride. The tracklog on the card, however, was complete with both start and finish.
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On one ride I was most concerned to see the early part of a track being deleted on-screen as I approached the end of a 200+k ride. The tracklog on the card, however, was complete with both start and finish.
See my post above. With "wrap when full" switched off it would have simply stopped logging and without intervention you would have lost the end of the ride.
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Right, so I know about City Navigator, Topo, OSM and contour maps. Is there anything else that works with a 605 - be it useful or fun?
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POIs? Not very exciting, but for example, Decathlon (France) have a downloadable file on their website of all their store locations in Europe (excluding the UK ones, strangely). This can be placed on the SD card and the stores can then be accessed in the Find menu - and they will show on the map in normal use if the zoom is close enough.
Using a POI Editor you can merge several datasets and assign various symbols - so I have a single POI file including all Decathlons, all Intersport, all Sport 2000 and lots of French LBS - so I can always do a find on 'nearest bike shop'. Strangely, my combined file also includes all real-ale pubs in York. It's easy in the GPS Find menu to filter the search to any one of these categories, so you can combine anything (because, like the map, you can only have one active POI file).
All that said, it's sat on my GPS for 2 years and I haven't really found a use for it (nearby Decathlons tend to make their presence rather obvious anyway!).
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Good idea, thanks. I expect I'll find some useful ones.
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Good idea, thanks. I expect I'll find some useful ones.
The most useful for me to date has been the CAMRA Good Beer Guide POI file.
http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=280240 (http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=280240)
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nice idea but it rather goes against the grain to pay for it.
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REsurrecting this, as I never got around to doing anything last year. I'm (still) struggling to get maps onto my Garmin 705 despite reading this thread!
Now I've finally managed to get a job in a sensible location, I'm looking to ride the 16 miles to work on occaision, and would like to route several different ways to do so which I understand I can do in garmins Trianing Centre - but that's a question for later perhaps!
I've downloaded andygates's maps-with-contours from ravenfamily.org (having seen him refer to them on the how-to in OSM) and so have the zip file. Now how on God's earth do I get them into Mapsource and onto the Garmin? If I double-click on the zip file I downloaded (GMAPPSUP) I get an error message about winzip only supporting IMG files in the ISO format :-\ And that's me stuck.
Hopefully someone can take me through the next stages step by step!
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Sorry this is not a step-by-step guide, but a few questions that may help others to help......
What options do you see when you right-click the zip file? You want to unzip it.
Then do you want to combine it with a Garmin City Navigator map*, or use the OSM map with contours on its own? If combined, do you have a City Navigator map on DVD or memory card only?
You might need to use another program like MapSetToolKit at some stage.
* So that you can switch between maps on the 705.
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Hopefully someone can take me through the next stages step by step!
The .img file is well-formed to go straight onto the GPS but I think getting it into Mapsource is quite complicated.
The easy way to get OSM maps into Mapsource is to use the version downloadable via the 'build my map option' at:
http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php)
it's the same map data as in Andy's maps (though without the contours, and different styling) but it has the other advantage (IMO) that it is available in smaller chunks.
NB as I write there's a note on that page to say the server has a long queue of requests - 5 day's-worth (!) though I just downloaded a single tile on demand and that was speedy enough.
Normally the request queue is 1 hour or less, so the 5 day thing looks like a temporary fault.
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Sorry this is not a step-by-step guide, but a few questions that may help others to help......
What options do you see when you right-click the zip file? You want to unzip it.
Then do you want to combine it with a Garmin City Navigator map*, or use the OSM map with contours on its own? If combined, do you have a City Navigator map on DVD or memory card only?
You might need to use another program like MapSetToolKit at some stage.
* So that you can switch between maps on the 705.
Right-clicking has the "extract to" option - but whichever I select I get the same error message:
"Error - Winzip only supports IMG files that are in the ISO formet" :(
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Have a go with this alternative unzipper:
IZArc - The Best Freeware ZIP Utility - RAR 7-ZIP UNZIP UNRAR ENCRYPT ISO BIN (http://www.izarc.org/)
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Winzip is being silly.
"IMG", being short for "image", is used by lots of different programs to mean lots of different things. ISO's a CD image. You're not using a Mac, are you?
Anyhoo, a copy of 7-zip will do the job, and it's free as Biggsy sez.
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If I double-click on the zip file I downloaded (GMAPPSUP) I get an error message about winzip only supporting IMG files in the ISO format :-\ And that's me stuck.
Could be two things:-
a) The browser unzipped the file for you when it downloaded it (older versions of Netscape and Firefox used to do this).
Skip the unzip step and try copying the GMAPPSUP.IMG file onto the Garmin to see if that works.
b) The browser stripped off the .zip extension when it downloaded it (another annoying thing some browsers do).
Try renaming the file to GMAPSUPP.IMG.ZIP and then right clicking on it to unzip it.
But, by the sounds of it it's more likely to be (a).
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Thanks guys - I think it's still a .zip - it's IE of course, but the file listing has it as a zip file in the description - BUT the .zip was stripped from the filename so I'll try the GMAPPSUP.IMG.ZIP (it's listed just as GMAPSUPP in explorer)
And if that works I'll be back to see how to get it into mapsource!