Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: PizzaMan on 27 May, 2011, 04:08:36 pm
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Hi
1st post, Hello to everyone, I am new to Audax, but very quickly becoming an addict…. :)
Did my fist one on 14th May (200K Lincolnshire Cross) second one on 21st May (Moors and Wolds 400 (BRM, PBP)). Will be doing plenty more…. Expect to have my Super Randonneur soon and hoping to do End to End - Brevet Randonneur in July. (had done plenty of long distance solo cycling before I joined Audax UK….)
My question is there any way for me to qualify for PARIS-BREST-PARIS?
I know I need to complete 200K, 300K, 400K and 600K Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux by 17th June to qualify, but am unsure If need to complete each distance by a certain date??.
The PBP site has “recommended” dates Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=preparation&page=calendrier_brevet)
The Audax UK site has “provisional” dates The next PBP will start on 21st August, 2011 (http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/)
Have looked at regulations (Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=randonnee&page=reglement)) and cannot see any stipulation for dates for each distance. Are these dates enforced?
2nd complication would be no 200k BRM PBP’s left on calendar, So would have to substitute longer events for shorter one… (Is allowed according to regulations)
Know it’s tight, but could just about fit the events in before 17th July, If they counted….
Also even if I did it, any idea of the chance of quota being filled and me be refused anyway???
If only had fond Audax sooner….
Thanks
Simon
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You can qualify by riding 4 x 600 brevets on successive weekends, it has been done before. Any brevet listed in the Audax UK website as PBP is a qualifier. You could also ride BRMs in France, Belgium, Germany and other countries to collect sufficient qualifiers.
You need to look in the Paris-Brest-Paris 2011 sub-forum in the Audax and Cyclosportive section on this forum. Lots of information there, including what I've just typed.
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The dates are guidelines. The qualifying period nominally finishes w/e 17th June though as it happens the last BRM600s in the calendar are on 18th June and AFAICT have no restrictions on number of entries, so plenty of time...
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In theory yes you can qualify
The qualifier distances are 200km, 300km, 400km and 600km
You can substitute any qualifying ride for a longer distance
You already have a 400km BRM. You can substitute that for your 200km
You need to do one of the 400km this weekend (or my 400km next friday). You could substitute that for your 300km
Then the period when 400km BRM are allowed in the UK runs out. So you have to do two 600km to cover the 400km and the 600km
Available rides include Offa's Dyke 605km from Shrewsbury on the 4th of June, there's three 600 in different parts of the UK on the 11th and four on the 18th, in different places
If that doesn't work for you then there are other options available in Europe
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Fact: All people who start posting on YACF asking "I am new to audax, do you think I can do PBP/LEL?" end up riding!
You've been warned 8)
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Thanks for advice,
Just entered the Llanfairpwllgwy..... erm ... the Holyhead 400 tomorrow.... ::-)
Better get route/packing sorted!!!
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Good luck tomorrow. Beware welsh weather (and place names).
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Hell's teeth he's serious.
If you do it I'll buy you a pint in Paris!
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He's very serious & if I were a betting man & actually had some money to gamble with ;) Well rode on the Llanfair 400k BTW :thumbsup:
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2 down two to go…. :)
Great time on Llanfair 400k despite a few wrong turns, hopeful sat nav should arrive before next event…. Nice to see a few familiar faces. ;D
Have entered the Cambrian 600K on 4th June (just got to figure out how to get there from Nottingham for 6am start….)
Planning on doing either Marches and Mersey Roads 600K or South then North 600K on 11th June, anyone know if one is easier then the other? Derby is easy to get to but Mersey roads has sleep stop….
That leaves me spare weekend….. if things go wrong could still fit The East & West Coasts 600K on 18th. Or may be best to take rest weekend and go for this one, anyone know how it compare in difficulties to above??
Hills are my enemy at the moment; I am about 20 stones….. :o
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Well done PizzaMan. I admire your enthusiasm & motivation so early on. If only I could do the same. I hope you make it to Paris with getting qualified.
I myself have'nt even done a 600km yet and been a member with audax for years.
Maybe next year I'll do a SR ?
Good luck with it and well done doing the 400km
John
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Planning on doing either Marches and Mersey Roads 600K or South then North 600K on 11th June, anyone know if one is easier then the other? Derby is easy to get to but Mersey roads has sleep stop….
Have a look at some threads in the Audax section for the answer to your question. The search function is pretty good. I'm doing the M&MR.
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The Marches and Mersey roads is a pretty benign route with few major hills.
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Try moving this thread to the Audax section. You'll get more info from there :thumbsup:
I'll be riding the South then North.
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hell's teeth this guy is, indeed, serious. there are many Auks rooting for you. best of luck. you can indeed still do it, but it'll be tough - but then if it were easy everyone would do it!
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South then North is a decent enough route.
First 100k or so is lumpy down to Huntingdon, Fairly flat up across the fens to Colsterworth (genuinely flat, not just audax flat). worst hills coming up to Alfreton then mostly dropping off to the Trent levels. Odd lump circling around to approach the Humber Bridge and over the corner of the Lincolnshire Wolds before flat to Gainsborough. Lumpy back to base.
Worst problems are getting nailed by the wind on either the fens, returning down the Trent or both, depending on how the wind plays. I got caught out the first time I did it and made the mistake of crossing the Trent on the return leg. I reckon I would have faired better sticking on the other side and picking up a few extra kms. This time I will be checking what the wind is doing coming off the bridge.
Not done the MMR but the Marches are the border with Wales, which usually invites rain. A case of better views if you can see them I suspect.
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The Marches tend to have pretty decent weather because it all falls further West ;)
M&MR is a nice route. Not flat, but not gratuitously hilly either. it's one of those "sense of getting somewhere" rides because you ride from Swansea right up to the top of Wales and out into England, then go back. Great climb with fantastic views at the end.
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Hills are my enemy at the moment; I am about 20 stones….. :o
Hills are also my enemy and I'm "only" 13 stone!
Hell's teeth he's serious.
If you do it I'll buy you a pint in Paris!
I'll go along with Tewdric's suggestion. If you do it, he can buy me a pint too.
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Hell's teeth he's serious.
If you do it I'll buy you a pint in Paris!
+1
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genuinely flat, not just audax flat
:)
I think that you've coined a new term.
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I'm a little jaded at riding sections described as flat just because they don't qualify for AAA points.
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"Audax flat" isn't really a new term, it just means below the "audax average" of about 1000m climbing per 100km.
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"Audax flat" isn't really a new term, it just means below the "audax average" of about 1000m climbing per 100km.
I think your average is spot-on, but we probably need some 'significance' thresholds for other terms!
(One of my events last year was just below the magic 10m/km, but people called it quite hilly ... it would certainly be "unhelpful" to call it flat.)
Perhaps a modifier is needed for longer events, rather like the AAA criteria.
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Mostly flat
Often flat
Sometimes flat
Occasionally flat
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Welsh flat
Lincolnshire flat
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Flattish.
Semidulating.
Dulating.
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"Audax flat" isn't really a new term, it just means below the "audax average" of about 1000m climbing per 100km.
Isn't this what some people call 'rolling'?
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Or, in Yorkshire-ese "Undulating" - which to me = f...ing hilly.
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"Audax flat" isn't really a new term, it just means below the "audax average" of about 1000m climbing per 100km.
Isn't this what some people call 'rolling'?
To me "rolling" is the audax average of 1000m/100km. That's why I said "audax flat" was below that.
The Flattest Possible 300 is "audax flat" with about 2000m of climbing over 300km. The Mildenhall 300 is more "flat" than "audax flat". Cheshunt to Thorne is "audax flat" despite the first section of lumps to Gamlingay.
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Anything I can get round* on a 70" gear is officially 'flat'.
Edit: *with no 'foot faults'
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Over the weekend I completed Bernie's Long Flat One. This evening I'll look at the GPS track log and let you know how many metres of climb that is. Should that define the Audax Flatness Standard?
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"Audax Flat" is the new drink from Coke
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"Audax Flat" is the new drink from Coke
Ride like the wind ... without wind. With new Audax Flat
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Ignores toilet humour.
Bernie's Long Flat One. 600km, 2,536 metres of ascent.
Flat enough for you?
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Perhaps coming here for advice was not such a good idea after all ::-)
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Is this the same PizzaMan wot rode LEJOG from a standing start and posted on the CTC forum a couple of years ago? Chapeau, either way.
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"Audax Flat" is the new drink from Coke
The one that whistled and sang from your bidon as you left Stratton?
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Audax Flat is a secret control :thumbsup:
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Audax Flat is a secret control :thumbsup:
this one? (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2542/3852005562_8f94bef786.jpg) ;)
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Audax Flat is a secret control :thumbsup:
this one? (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2542/3852005562_8f94bef786.jpg) ;)
Sexy beasts :)
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Audax Flat is a secret control :thumbsup:
this one? (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2542/3852005562_8f94bef786.jpg) ;)
Or this one?
Google Maps (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=the+flatt&ie=UTF8&hq=the+flatt&hnear=&radius=15000&ll=55.08414,-2.732205&spn=0.008659,0.026479&z=16&layer=c&cbll=55.084195,-2.732374&panoid=H8lrOZWij2es_jv43goZEQ&cbp=12,42.34,,2,-0.49)
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"Audax Flat" is the new drink from Coke
Ride like the wind ... without wind. With new Audax Flat
I'm sure I can remember riding a 400 qualifier with two dudes who looked a lot like Christopher Cross and Michael Mac Donald, isn't that Boab on congas?
YouTube
- Christopher Cross Ride Like The Wind Live 1998‏
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9-ljaJpSC4)
I always thought it had good lyrics for a video of concerted group riding.
It is the night. My body's weak.
I'm on the run. No time to sleep.
I've got to ride.
Ride like the wind to be free again.
And I got such a long way to go.
To make it to the border of Mexico.
So I'll ride like the wind.
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Is this the same PizzaMan wot rode LEJOG from a standing start and posted on the CTC forum a couple of years ago? Chapeau, either way.
Yes that's me, also got a write up there magazine, was 32 stones then.... :o
Lost allot of weight...... BBC - Nottingham man loses 16 stone in just six months (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/nottingham/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9357000/9357514.stm) but have put a few stones on again since then. (optimistic will lose again soon, just don't want to do strict diet while training so hard....)
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Good work PizzaMan
I look forward to saying hello in Paris. i'm absolutely sure you'll make it :)
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Wow ! Just read your news article, your story gets better all the time. I recon you lost a few pound losing the beard :). Well done Simon :)
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Is this the same PizzaMan wot rode LEJOG from a standing start and posted on the CTC forum a couple of years ago? Chapeau, either way.
Yes that's me, also got a write up there magazine, was 32 stones then.... :o
Lost allot of weight...... BBC - Nottingham man loses 16 stone in just six months (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/nottingham/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9357000/9357514.stm) but have put a few stones on again since then. (optimistic will lose again soon, just don't want to do strict diet while training so hard....)
Good luck to you :)
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Good luck to you :)
+ 1
Keep us posted on your progress.
Allez.
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Looks like I may have to drop out of this weekends qualifier...... :'(
Don't think I am going to be able to sort my rear wheel in time, see Snapping spokes. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48012.0)
So frustration, all booked and ready to go, my bike has spent more time waiting for workshop than on the road recently (3 time have had problems with rear wheel, not unusual for it to take a week or more to get sorted each time...)
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Which part of the world are you in? I'm happy to loan you a 130 OLD Shimano-compatible wheel with narrow rim from one of our tandems. PM me if you want to borrow one. I'm in NW London.
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Looks like I may have to drop out of this weekends qualifier...... :'(
Don't think I am going to be able to sort my rear wheel in time, see Snapping spokes. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48012.0)
My wheels are campag and I am in Bristol so can't help you but I am sure that you can find one.
I manage to borrow a bike for LEL, so a wheel should be doable!
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Somebody on here must live local & have a wheel you an borrow. Where are you based ???
Edit: NOTTINGHAM
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You're doing really well so far but you might want to take advantage of circumstances and take a break this weekend anyway. Cuts it a bit fine leaving the last two 600s in a row to follow. But then again, you'd have to do them anyway if things go wrong and taking a break reduces the physical risk of dnfing.
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Thanks for your help everyone, aborting this weekend but still plan to qualify for PBP (see Snapping spokes. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48012).)
Special thanks to LittleWheelsandBig for offer of loan wheel :thumbsup:
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Hi pizzaman,
did you finish the tramway??????
If you can qualify for PBP do it!!!!!!!!
The way you rode moor and wolds shows you can climb...I gave up chasing you after staxton.
Are you doing South then North ?
Hope you sorted wheel problem
Dave
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Wow ! Just read your news article, your story gets better all the time. I recon you lost a few pound losing the beard :). Well done Simon :)
+1, hope to see you in Paris, good luck.
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Failed… :facepalm: >:(
Rear wheel let me down AGAIN. Had issues on 4 out of last 5 rides + missed one due to bike being off the rode (see Snapping spokes. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48012.msg967798#msg967798))
Got half way on 600K and feeling great, so frustrating when bike let me down again.
Still planning to do The East & West Coasts 600 next weekend so can get “Super Randonneur”. Also do “End to End - Brevet Randonneur” instead of PBP, if can get reliable wheel….
Gutted. :'(
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Having met Pizzaman early on during the South then North 600 he is - how can I put it - a big chap.
Despite me not having a clue about wheelbuilding, I'd suggest outright strength should be the priority rather than any other consideration.
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Surely there's still scope to register now, providing your 600 details later on?
It would be awful to have come so far and not have one last go. And you have a large contingent of YACF-ers rooting for you :thumbsup:
Failed… :facepalm: >:(
Rear wheel let me down AGAIN. Had issues on 4 out of last 5 rides + missed one due to bike being off the rode (see Snapping spokes. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48012.msg967798#msg967798))
Got half way on 600K and feeling great, so frustrating when bike let me down again.
Still planning to do The East & West Coasts 600 next weekend so can get “Super Randonneur”. Also do “End to End - Brevet Randonneur” instead of PBP, if can get reliable wheel….
Gutted. :'(
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Don't forget that there are later 600 qualifiers in mainland Europe. My offer still stands, if you can't get your wheels sorted for next weekend.
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Thanks again LittleWheelsandBig.
Hate doing it, but sometimes have to realise when it's time to give up. There are a couple of 600Km in Europe the next weekend, but there are not practicals for me for a number of reasons (cost/prearrangement that weekend and the fact that it's bad enough getting a DNF in this country.....) Have also ruled out the European 1000km qualifies.....
Wish had taken up your offer last time and took more time to get my own wheels sorted....... But now have ruled out PBP need to work towards a permanent solution that will see me thought ride after ride....
New plan is to End to End - Brevet Randonneur 1400km in 4 weeks time....
Surely there's still scope to register now, providing your 600 details later on?
I still need 2 events to qualify...... If things would have gone to plan would have done 2 * 600km in the past fortnight (wheel meant did not start one and failed to finish the other), planned to qualify with weekend to spare....
Don't think there is any practical way left for me to qualify.....
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No worries. No doubt we'll meet on the road sometime, otherwise in Paris in 2015.
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London in 2013?
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Shame to hear you're not going to be in Paris. I know what you mean about "sometimes have to realise when it's time to give up.". I'm pretty sure I was mentally at that point on Saturday, and it was only the guilt of causing my stoker to not get to Paris that got me through.
Just for reference, I spent a little while yesterday trawling through the international calendar in the PBP brochure for late qualifiers, and thought I may as well copy it in here.
Word of caution though: for several countries it's clearly a complete ACP calendar, not qualifying calendar as it has brevets well past 17 July (and even past PBP itself), so exactly which ones would count as qualifiers I don't know. (I'd so love to pop over to Brazil for a 15/16 July 600 and then miss the 17 July deadline)
BELG
25 June Lierse B.C. Randonneurs.VL - 600
DENMARK
9 July - 600
ESTONIA
2 July - 600
ITALY
3 July - 400
LUX
9 July - 600
+FRANCE
Many.
+Numerous long haul - including:
BRAZIL
17 June - Sociedade Audax de Ciclismo - 400
15 July - 600
CANADA, BC, USA...
loads of 400 & 600 late June / July (and august!!?)
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600k this weekend which you're already entered for & there is a 300k brm event from tewkesbury on 9/07/2011 event detail (http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/11-258/)
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600k this weekend which you're already entered for & there is a 300k brm event from tewkesbury on 9/07/2011 event detail (http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/11-258/)
The 300 is not marked as a PBP qualifier. I'd check whether it would count before relying on it.
It may help that the deadline for completing the registration (and supplying all 4 qualifying brevet numbers) is the 17th July.
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600k this weekend which you're already entered for & there is a 300k brm event from tewkesbury on 9/07/2011 event detail (http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/11-258/)
The 300 is not marked as a PBP qualifier. I'd check whether it would count before relying on it.
Yep, as well as missing PBP designation in the auk calendar it's not listed in the PBP brochure (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/pbp2011/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=information_general) (for what that's worth)
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Well done, Pizzaman, on your brave attempt to qualify. I hope that you can still find a way as you deserve to get in.
But if you don't, there is always Mille du Sud...
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39896.15 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39896.15)