Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Rides and Touring => Topic started by: bobb on 28 May, 2011, 10:37:11 pm
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It will probably be next summer now, but I like planning tours....
I don't mind where we go, but I have been given strict instructions that it must:
a. Be warm.
b. Be flat.
c. In Europe.
d. Camping must NOT be involved ::-)
Most of my previous tours and planned future tours wouldn't meet all of those requirements, so where should we go?
I'd like to do it on a tandem, but that's banned too >:(
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It doesn't have to be in Europe, but just for speed of travel and cheapness it probably needs to be.
Also, I don't mind if it's not flat as long as it's all downhill. With no headwind.
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Denmark.
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East Anglia!
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Just thought: There's always the YACF not the Olympics tour next summer. No idea where we're going yet. Join in the thread :)
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I like the Olympics 'cos I'm not a killjoy.
Neither Denmark or East Anglia are renowned for their good weather!!
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This is going to be tough, isn't it??
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Just thought: There's always the YACF not the Olympics tour next summer. No idea where we're going yet. Join in the thread :)
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think we want to go away together alone, not with a bunch of weirdo cyclists. ;) ;D
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This is going to be tough, isn't it??
Yup. Women and their demands eh? :P
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I think we want to go away together alone, not with a bunch of weirdo cyclists. ;) ;D
Yup. Women and their demands eh? :P
Or maybe not. :P
What about France?
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Tiree?
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Swindon. It's got its own microclimate.
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Tiree?
a. Be warm.
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No weirdos?
Kirst and Bob?
Fail.
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Tiree?
a. Be warm.
Notoriously sunny, though.
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How about the Plain in Spain?
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The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.
According to some old movie.
The Landes in south west France. Flat. Didn't change gear for four days. Nice beaches. Wine country. What more can you want.
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France. Some of you may have noticed I like the area around Limoges. Not as flat as Ely but nowhere as steep as Edinburgh!
Specifically around Eymoutiers, Lac de Vassiviere & Treignac. In August you're almost praying for it to rain to cool you down.
Easy B&B or choose a gite for self catering freedom.
Rumours of a new high speed rail link for 2012.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I think we want to go away together alone, not with a bunch of weirdo cyclists. ;) ;D
Yup. Women and their demands eh? :P
Or maybe not. :P
What about France?
I think that the "canal du midi" ticks all your boxes!
La Voie Verte - Le Canal du Midi et la Voie Verte (http://www.canal-et-voie-verte.com/La-Voie-Verte?lang=fr)
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I think we want to go away together alone, not with a bunch of weirdo cyclists. ;) ;D
Yup. Women and their demands eh? :P
Or maybe not. :P
What about France?
I think that the "canal du midi" ticks all your boxes!
La Voie Verte - Le Canal du Midi et la Voie Verte (http://www.canal-et-voie-verte.com/La-Voie-Verte?lang=fr)
Noooooooooo! God no. We spent a couple of days on the canal du midi on our big tour and the very words make me wince. Most if it's untarmacked, muddy (like, get off and push muddy), bumpy, riddled with tree roots - and dull as hell after an hour at looking at the canal and the regimented trees.
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Cycle paths in Germany can be great. Some of the routes that follow rivers are really fun. (Though they're often still unsealed, and a combination of flat and rough surfaces inevitably gives me, err, saddle problems.)
German is cool, though, lots of great places to visit.
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Northern France?
But avoid August,the whole of France is on holiday at that time making accommodation,if not pre-booked,a lottery
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No offence taken at all Kirst ;)
I've been in Denmark in the summer and even on the west coast it was gloriously sunny, very warm and dry during July and August. Cycling facilities are superb and the street cafes and bars are excellent. Denmark isn't the cheapest place on earth though.
Tiree is an interesting one: The Millhouse Hostel (http://www.tireemillhouse.co.uk/) on Tiree is a lovely 'community' place but has private rooms as well. We enjoyed a stay there. Tip: Take your own bikes as the hire bikes are a bit rubbish. It is very flat. The shop and PO are towards the pier end of the island but that's only a short hop by bike.
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Go to Folkestone by train - cross via the tunnel to Calais - ride via Champagne, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Rhone, Languedoc to Montpellier - come back on the Bike Bus.
Fantastic ride - did it in 2008 - best tour EVER
..... see Cycle : End-to-End (http://www.cycle-endtoend.org.uk) and the France section in The Journals - Wine-ding Down Through France (there's even a book about it with ready-to-ride maps)
Rob
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Cheers for the tips. I must say I do like the idea of Slovakia, but getting bikes there is the biggest hassle. And I don't really fancy the idea of touring on any bike other than my own!
France is looking good. As is Germany. I'd quite like to revisit some of the places I went to as a kid.
Edit: Even though Denmark haven't actually banned Marmite, they're still in my bad books :demon:
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I quite like the idea of Slovakia or France, less keen on Germany. I quite fancy Scandinavia, but I know it's pricey. I wonder if there's a flat route round Greece or Italy? :D France appeals because of the cheese, the wine, I can speak a bit of the language, and the travelling times to and from won't be soul-destroying.
Early September is my favourite time to go on holiday because I hate having a summer holiday early and then having the rest of the summer to get through, plus it's usually a bit cooler than the height of Greek summer, and cheaper and less busy because the schools are back. But my summer holidays are generally Greek beach holidays, not cycling around holidays.
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There's a huge flat plain in the north of Italy but I don't really recommend it because we've been twice and found it really hard to find quiet routes - and Italian drivers pass you pretty close. My memory is mainly of lorries grazing my left ear. But someone else might know of some decent routes!
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Austria has great scenery and is flat unless you seek out the actual Alpine roads (continental roads aren't actually as steep as ours anyway - they tend to do more engineering). Most of the roads follow glacial valleys and the towns are all on the flat bits. Pretty much everyone speaks English, and will switch to it when you try out your pidgin German because, however good your accent, Austrians don't normally speak what they call "High German".
They seem reasonably bike-friendly and you can get bikes on trains with no problems.
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My German is worse than pidgin. It's pretty much auf wiedersehn, rathaus, krankenwagen, krankenschwester, Lumpi ist mein hund, wir haben den Krieg gewannen, vorsprung durch technik, ein Doppelzimmer bitte.
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Mine is worse, consisting of Englander schwein, Gott im Himmel!, Hande hoch and Aieeeee!. Warlord comic has a lot to answer for.
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Oh, and "hilfe, hilfe!" which might come in useful.
A friend of mine told me the German for "never mind" was neder minden and I believed her and couldn't understand why the German teacher wouldn't allow it.
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...Lumpi ist mein hund...
And Lieselotte has broken her leg. Whilst collecting mushrooms, I seem to remember?
I'd go to Scotland, but that makes less sense for you probably. Next choice would be France, round the Gironde and Dordogne because I lived there for a while but have never cycled there and I haven't been for years and years and years.
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Belgium and the Netherlands; easy to get to, chocolate, flat (unless you go to the Ardennes), chocolate, mainly excellent routing system (Knoppunt), chocolate, off road (canal towpaths) and quiet road routes everywhere, chocolate, frites and mayo, chocolate and that about covers it.
Not so good if either of you is a vegetarian, the Belgians put meat in everything.
Did I mention chocolate?
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...Lumpi ist mein hund...
And Lieselotte has broken her leg. Whilst collecting mushrooms, I seem to remember?
You must have paid more attention than I did. I remember Lieselotte and did she have a brother called Hans?
When we were discussing France yesterday I got quite excited about the possibility of La Rochelle because il y a un tour en La Rochelle and we could visit the Bertrand family. Bobb didn't use Tricolore though so he had no idea what I was talking about.
Belgium and the Netherlands; easy to get to, chocolate, flat (unless you go to the Ardennes), chocolate, mainly excellent routing system (Knoppunt), chocolate, off road (canal towpaths) and quiet road routes everywhere, chocolate, frites and mayo, chocolate and that about covers it.
Not so good if either of you is a vegetarian, the Belgians put meat in everything.
Did I mention chocolate?
I'm veggie, so France, Belgium and Germany would probably all present problems. But it would be an experiment to see if I could live on cheese for 2 weeks. I've lived on cheese for 2 days and all that happened was yellow poo, but 2 weeks is a more serious commitment. I'd give it a go though.
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My German is worse than pidgin. It's pretty much auf wiedersehn, rathaus, krankenwagen, krankenschwester, Lumpi ist mein hund, wir haben den Krieg gewannen, vorsprung durch technik, ein Doppelzimmer bitte.
So;
"Goodbye, city hall, ambulance, nurse, Lumpkins is my dog, we have won the war, by projection technique, a double room, please".
Better German than me then. ;D
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How important is the 'flat' bit? Round lake Como/ Lecco etc is great for cycling. But not flat.
One downside of flat areas is the number of mozzies, in France and Italy anyway. Flat = swampy.
And ha, yes, La Rochelle. It IS nice there. You could just ride round and round the Ile de Re for a week.
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Oh yes -- foodwise, Italy's your best bet. Lots of veggie pasta and salads. And cheap, cause you're effectively only ordering a first course! France is getting better, and there's always an omelette... Germany is good in the cities, impossible outside. Well, not impossible, obviously - just limited.
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And actually, our first ever tour as a couple was near York and there are big flat bits - we rode on flat roads for days. And veg food is easy. But I can't guarantee the weather!
Right, I'll shut up, off out now...
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And actually, our first ever tour as a couple was near York and there are big flat bits - we rode on flat roads for days. And veg food is easy. But I can't guarantee the weather!
Right, I'll shut up, off out now...
And you could pop in to the Den for CAKE!
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I'm veggie, so France, Belgium and Germany would probably all present problems. But it would be an experiment to see if I could live on cheese for 2 weeks. I've lived on cheese for 2 days and all that happened was yellow poo, but 2 weeks is a more serious commitment. I'd give it a go though.
I'm also veggie but managed a two week tour of Belgium and south Netherlands a couple of years ago, some smaller places required "I'll have the pizza but NO HAM please" sort of stuff and I could generally get an omelette and frites. We stayed in a lot of youth hostels which didn't have self-catering options but did provide evening meals and would usually do something veggie if asked, although the cook always looked a bit confused by the idea of a non-meat eater. I remember it being easier in the Netherlands than Belgium.
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Mine is worse, consisting of Englander schwein, Gott im Himmel!, Hande hoch and Aieeeee!. Warlord comic has a lot to answer for.
Mine is even worse than that. I didn't do German at school, so the extent of my Kraut is:
"Who fucking von ze vor anyvay!?"
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Mine is worse, consisting of Englander schwein, Gott im Himmel!, Hande hoch and Aieeeee!. Warlord comic has a lot to answer for.
Mine is even worse than that. I didn't do German at school, so the extent of my Kraut is:
"Who fucking von ze vor anyvay!?"
... which is probably not much use, these days ...
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Actually, Tiree and York are not bad ideas, given that my new passport photos are so awful I can never go abroad again.
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I was also going to suggest Orkney, until I read your comment about wind (this is the only place I've ever had to keep pedalling downhill just to keep moving). OK, it may not tick bobb's "warm" box either, depending on thermostat settings ...
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I was about to say the warm box is mine before I realised how this bunch of pervs would interpret that. But it's his box too. Oh good god. We both want the weather to be warm.
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I don't mind where we go, but I have been given strict instructions that it must:
a. Be warm.
b. Be flat.
c. In Europe.
d. Camping must NOT be involved ::-)
You don't say whether you want to go from a to b to c or would be happy centred in one place and explore the surrounding area. I think France would be good and could meet all your criteria . How are you intending to travel, all by bike, a plane, train or even a car to get there. Gites in September should plentiful although I would think you would need to be South of the Loire for decent weather.
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I must have had bad luck, I toured for three weeks in France last August, Calais to the Pyrenees via the Loire valley and Bordeaux. And in 1200 miles I had more rain days than sunny ones, don't ever remember being on a flat stretch. Problem was that the further south I went chasing the sunshine the bigger the hills got, can't seem to have one without the other.
Vendee looked to have possibilities with all those cycle paths. Massively hectic during the French holiday fortnight though.
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I'd also say France South of the Loire.
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You don't say whether you want to go from a to b to c or would be happy centred in one place and explore the surrounding area.
Bobb would prefer to keep moving on, like the Littlest Hobo, and my preference would probably be the other way but not enough to overrule bobb. So probably we want to keep moving on.
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I recommend Germany (I'm off there in two weeks for some more flat touring). It doesn't matter if you can't remember much German as they mostly speak a form of English on the tourist routes. Veggie food much more available now, and cake everywhere!
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You don't say whether you want to go from a to b to c or would be happy centred in one place and explore the surrounding area.
Bobb would prefer to keep moving on, like the Littlest Hobo, and my preference would probably be the other way but not enough to overrule bobb. So probably we want to keep moving on.
I don't mind being based in one place. Or maybe one place for the first week and another for the second week.
It would certainly make it easier as they can be pre booked, which is probably a good idea as you've made it clear that church yards/building sites/sand dunes etc are not acceptable accommodation options :P
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Put it this way: any night which does not include a proper bed in a permanent building structure will be a no sex night. :P :-*
I just think that a fixed base will be more relaxing rather than having to worry about finding somewhere, and for me the point of a holiday is to relax. But if we can be reasonably sure that we'll be able to find a B&B throughout the route, I don't mind moving on every day. Even a week of moving on and a week of staying put would be an acceptable compromise.
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Noooooooooo! God no. We spent a couple of days on the canal du midi on our big tour and the very words make me wince. Most if it's untarmacked, muddy (like, get off and push muddy), bumpy, riddled with tree roots - and dull as hell after an hour at looking at the canal and the regimented trees.
You must be talking of the towpath. I know that part of the canal du midi has a "voie verte" which is tarmacked, my sister who lives in Toulouse sometimes uses it for some touring without hills.
I think that there is a direct flight from Edinburgh to Toulouse.
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I hate ticks and the thought of one in a warm box is just grim.
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Northern France?
But avoid August,the whole of France is on holiday at that time making accommodation,if not pre-booked,a lottery
This is very true.
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You could try the French South West, and Mediterranean coast. It is very, very flat, warm, lots of hotels and gites. Or, you could try one of the river routes, such as the Danube, Loire or Rhine. or the German Romantic Road. They are all geared up for cyclists, and there are cycle-friendly hotels with storage sheds. As people have said, there are lots of quiet roads that run the same way as the Canal du Midi. There is also Pomerania.
I remember Lieselotte, from Furth, and La Richelle has une tour.
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How about a nice ride West from Paris on quiet roads through lovely Normandy & Brittany to the coast, then a gentle meander back ? Very popular in the last week in August ;)
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Yeah, cos Johnny Batrachian descends on the South en masse for two months. Beware of Northern French places shut because of, er, the holiday season!
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My friend's parents live in Lieurey in Normandy. They'd be delighted to see us.
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Speaking as a chap who took a female significant other touring for the first time last year I would suggest having accomodation pre-booked is a very good idea.
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You must be talking of the towpath. I know that part of the canal du midi has a "voie verte" which is tarmacked, my sister who lives in Toulouse sometimes uses it for some touring without hills.
Oh boy, I wish we'd known that at the time! We were, indeed, in the tow path...
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The bit round Bezier and towards the coast is tarmaced for a lot of the way.
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Scandinavia can be expensive, however, one thing they do have is huts on campsites. I know you said no camping, but these are really civilised and cheap. In the wilds they can even be free. You'd need a sleeping bag, possibly some cutlery and plate and stuff, but that's about it.
Food can also be expensive, but needn't be. Most towns will have a selection of restaurants offering Dagens Ratt, which is misselled as I don't have the right keyboard, but is not rodent! It's the meal of the day and is a cheap way to eat well.
English is widely spoken too.
Having said that, Normandy is fantastic for cycling. An easy route is from Cherbourg to Ouistrehamn past the D-Day beaches. Lots of detours and Bayeux en-route for a bit of culture.
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I'm becoming quite enthusiastic for France.
Having said that, Normandy is fantastic for cycling. An easy route is from Cherbourg to Ouistrehamn past the D-Day beaches. Lots of detours and Bayeux en-route for a bit of culture.
If I have bobb with me, I'll have all the culture I need. ;D
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Well, the Bayeux Tapestry might possibly be the original red-top. Lots of pictures, little text.
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Another vote for France. Maybe get the train to La Rochelle (3 hr TGV from Paris IIRC) and head south from there. Nice flat bits and great beaches around the Royan sticky out bit and you can get the ferry across to explore Bordeaux vineyards and pootle through St Emilion and across to the Dordogne.
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It doesn't have to be in Europe, but just for speed of travel and cheapness it probably needs to be.
Also, I don't mind if it's not flat as long as it's all downhill. With no headwind.
That rules out the Outer Hebrides and N. Scotland (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=47084.0)
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Maybe a large suite somewhere luxurious, with frequent tours of the bedroom and other areas? :demon:
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Oh yes -- foodwise, Italy's your best bet. Lots of veggie pasta and salads. And cheap, cause you're effectively only ordering a first course! France is getting better, and there's always an omelette... Germany is good in the cities, impossible outside. Well, not impossible, obviously - just limited.
I'm reminded of the half-a-cabbage-in-gravy incident :facepalm:
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Well, the Bayeux Tapestry might possibly be the original red-top. Lots of pictures, little text.
Oooh yeah, especially the couple shagging, was it posed and if so who by?
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Two incidents with my late GF at an Austrian hotel. She was a veggie, and was offered on one occasion wold mushroom stew. This was the venison and mushroom stew I had, with the venison scooped out of her portion.
The second time she was offered liver, on the basis that it isn't meat, as meat is muscle tissue...
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Maybe a large suite somewhere luxurious, with frequent tours of the bedroom and other areas? :demon:
Sounds perfect.
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Poland could be good. My plans to tour there last September never came to fruition and I ended up taking the train, but the view from its window made me wish I'd got my act together: large expanses of flat countryside that still looked like an interesting place to ride. Stuff wasn't too expensive and it's a little more of an adventure than France.
France could be very good though. The Loire valley's very nice and if you follow the route of one of the rivers, you're fairly certain not to go over any steep hills! I'd recommend riding from place to place rather than doing a 'clover leaf tour': the temptation with the latter is always to take extra days off and shorten your route, while when you have the necessity of getting to your next destination, you always feel fine after a few miles once your legs warm up. If you do feel knackered one day, you an always take the train.
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I think we're pretty settled on France. Now we just need to decide where, when and how. :D
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I've only just noticed this thread.
I read:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think we want to go away together alone, not with a bunch of weirdo cyclists. ;) ;D
As: Don't take this the wrong way, but I think we want to go all the way together alone, not with a bunch of weirdo cyclists. ;) ;D
:o :o :o
::-)
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Same thing really innit. *shrugs*
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Why not follow the Rhine? Flat, a decent cycle route and the terrain gradually varies from flat fields (Wageningen is the Sto Lat of Europe) to following a valley with lots of Schloss on hills either side.
And then you can just jump on the train to get back to wherever you started from.
Could even do the whole thing by bike form edinburgh if you do the Rosyth ferry.
..d
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Rosyth ferry doesn't exist any more, I'm afraid. Well, it does, but only for freight. Which is a huge shame.
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So I need to get a job on the ferry and put bobb in the cargo hold? :o
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So I need to get a job on the ferry and put bobb in the cargo hold? :o
Don't expose us to your kinky, perverted notions . . .
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So I need to get a job on the ferry and put bobb in the cargo hold? :o
Don't expose us to your kinky, perverted notions . . .
Why not?
:)
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OK. Fair one.
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France: the wine country around Beaune (Cote d'Or) is pretty, lots of vineyards and farms and wineries. Not completely flat, but not too hilly either. Nobody seemed to speak English when I was there except the other tourists, but the locals were very gracious about trying to understand my attempts to speak French.
Austria: The Salzkammergut area outside Salzburg is very scenic. Summer is the off season for lots of lodgings, they make their real money off of skiers. Lots of places to take the train up to the head of a valley and cycle down on cycle paths, which could satisfy the "all downhill" requirement.
The Rhein: Start in Basel or nearby, cycle through the Alsace-Lorraine area to Strasbourg, then continue on cycle paths on the Rhein as far downstream as you care to go. Castles, excellent beer, excellent wine, lots of hostels and other lodging, and once again it satisfies the "all downhill" requirement if you stay close to the river.
If, as you say, you're settled on France but can't decide where, get Cycling France (Lonely Planet Cycling Guide): Amazon.co.uk: Ethan Gelber: Books (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cycling-France-Lonely-Planet-Guide/dp/1741040442/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1306804322&sr=1-1) . I used the earlier edition when I spent a summer working there, and found it to be excellent.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9b7CgTIRKU
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That should come with a warning :hand:
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You can't go wrong with the west coast of France. We've done it for the last three years. The first time was our first tour together. I let Polly book the hotels and it cost a fortune. I spent the proceeds of a small endowment and as far as I was concerned it was a one off, but the bug bit. Next year we couldn't afford hotels and went camping. That wasn't so much fun. Last year, we put money in an envolope every week to fund it and were careful about where we stayed.
Things we like -
Portsmouth St Malo ferry - expensive, but a sensible day's ride from the house, a civilised restaurant and you start first thing in the morning.
The east side of the Rance
The Vilaine cycle path
The Marais Poitevin
La Rochelle
Rochefort (transporter bridge)
The coast south of Rochefort
Talmont sur Gironde
The east side of the Gironde - much nicer than the boring cycle paths on the atlantic coast
Btw tandems are fun for touring, you can keep up a conversation as much as you want to.
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I don't have the right sort of temperament for a tandem. Don't encourage him.
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I don't have the right sort of temperament for a tandem. Don't encourage him.
(http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/4313/5748riding_crop.jpg)
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There appears to be a large expanse of flat land in Northern Italy. Maybe get yourselves to Torino by train or plane, and then follow the River Po East?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Po_bacino_idrografico.png)
From Po Valley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po_Valley)
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I don't have the right sort of temperament for a tandem. Don't encourage him.
(http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/4313/5748riding_crop.jpg)
My stoker's very placid, fortunately. On the tandem she can multi-task and indulge in her two hobbies, talking and cycling, simultaneously.
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Surely your target should be to go as far north as possible as near to winter solstice as possible and then blame all the shagging on the weather?
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Tandems offer much bum-fondling opportunity.
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This is a nice guide to the picturesque in France by the way, if that's your thing.
Les plus beaux villages de France - Site officiel (http://www.les-plus-beaux-villages-de-france.org/en)
I toured last year by following a route roughly connected by daisy chaining villages from that list.
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How about a quick trip to Gretna Green? ;)
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This is a nice guide to the picturesque in France by the way, if that's your thing.
Les plus beaux villages de France - Site officiel (http://www.les-plus-beaux-villages-de-france.org/en)
I toured last year by following a route roughly connected by daisy chaining villages from that list.
Most of the PBVs I know are at the top of big hills
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Surely your target should be to go as far north as possible as near to winter solstice as possible and then blame all the shagging on the weather?
We can do that here, to be fair.
Tandems offer much bum-fondling opportunity.
;D
Bobb's more of a bosom man. And I can't emphasise too much how completely ill-suited my temperament is to tandemming.
How about a quick trip to Gretna Green? ;)
Maybe on the way back. ;D ;D
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This is a nice guide to the picturesque in France by the way, if that's your thing.
Les plus beaux villages de France - Site officiel (http://www.les-plus-beaux-villages-de-france.org/en)
I toured last year by following a route roughly connected by daisy chaining villages from that list.
Most of the PBVs I know are at the top of big hills
I wouldn't have said big hills but steep roads to get to the centres quite often, and a lot of them are cobbled which doesn't help. Worth the effort though.
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Tandems offer much bum-fondling opportunity.
;D
Bobb's more of a bosom man.
Can't say as I had noticed from the songs... ;D But I had rather anticipated that he would be the pilot, leaving your hands free to roam. ;)
And I can't emphasise too much how completely ill-suited my temperament is to tandemming.
You are, it has to be said, a woman who knows her own mind ;)
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How about a quick trip to Gretna Green? ;)
Maybe on the way back. ;D ;D
My hat is on standby and I shall dig out the kilt....
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Who says you're invited? :o
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How about a quick trip to Gretna Green? ;)
Rather pointless for someone who lives in Scotland already.
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Who says you're invited? :o
:'(
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Oh, cheer up.
We're still deciding. Neither of us wants to make a decision in case it's a disaster and the other one blames us.
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Kirst and Bobb want to go touring
Somewhere that's not at all boring
Kirst takes a tent
That's heaven sent
'Cos Bobb's in the hotel bed, snoring!