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Title: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on 05 July, 2011, 08:48:38 pm
I understand that the price to pay for watching the TdF on ITV 4 is the awful adverts. But is it me or are those inane little words of wisdom by CB trying to flog his bikes getting on other peoples nreves. An example 'I always wondered why there were three places on the podium' Well Chris, that was so that you could see three of the blokes that got over the mountains when you got off your bike.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: hubner on 05 July, 2011, 09:05:30 pm
Isn't it against regulations to have the same person doing the adverts and also presenting the programme. IMO there should a clear separation between the programme and the adverts around it.

You're watching the programme, the presenters including Boardman say "back after the break", then you hear Boardman doing his sell with a pic of the bike etc, then the the programme name screen, and then it goes to the real adverts.

I don't like adverts (programme sponsor) inserted inside programmes anyway. But when the programme sponsor's bike brand name and a presenter is the same person, then it's going too far.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 July, 2011, 09:36:04 pm
We quite like them, the podium one reminds us of Chris's excellent Bronze medal at Atlanta, and the team lifting him off his bike reminds us of Wilko at the 24.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Martin on 05 July, 2011, 09:40:45 pm
chill  :)

Chris is one of our finest ever cyclists (assuming you were out of nappies in 1992 long before he rode his first Tour); much more deserving of this job than some of the other sport commentators
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: AndyH on 05 July, 2011, 09:48:33 pm
I agree that he is a great cyclist, but the OP has a point. The ads are intensely irritating and they seem to happen every 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Martin on 05 July, 2011, 09:55:01 pm
I agree that he is a great cyclist, but the OP has a point. The ads are intensely irritating and they seem to happen every 10 minutes.

err; it's ITV what do you expect?

(I have only watched the online live stuff complete waste of time about 50% of airtime was ads and it froze for most of it)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: GruB on 05 July, 2011, 09:56:40 pm
I agree - that phrase is shit.  I don't mind it when he talks about cycling as that is when he comes alive.  But if not - then his personality is too introverted.  That dead pan phrase is shit.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 July, 2011, 10:03:21 pm
I agree that he is a great cyclist, but the OP has a point. The ads are intensely irritating and they seem to happen every 10 minutes.

err; it's ITV what do you expect?

(I have only watched the online live stuff complete waste of time about 50% of airtime was ads and it froze for most of it)

Good point! It's not free, the price you pay is the ads. Obviously the podium one immediately makes me think that a Pinarello is probably better than a Boardman, because it's what Indurain rode when he stood in the Gold position in 1996.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: perpetual dan on 05 July, 2011, 10:41:38 pm
I only see about half of those ads as I watch it recorded. I see from wikipedia that he got 2nd in the 1996 TDF prologue.
The thing I find most interesting is the piece where he rides a bit of the stage and talks about it, right after the advert, obviously on one of his bikes with the logos taken off the frame.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 July, 2011, 10:52:50 pm
I only see about half of those ads as I watch it recorded. I see from wikipedia that he got 2nd in the 1996 TDF prologue.
The thing I find most interesting is the piece where he rides a bit of the stage and talks about it, right after the advert, obviously on one of his bikes with the logos taken off the frame.

He won the 1994 prologue in the most convincing way possible, catching Luc Leblanc,
    YouTube
        - ‪Tour de France-Chris Boardman 1994 Fastest Ever Time Trial!!‬‏
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjJ60Kx2j8I) That's why I have a touching faith in British amateur riders from the Wirrral TT scene, and a healthy scepticism about his qualifications for commenting on the Team Time Trial.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: CyclistsAnonymous on 05 July, 2011, 10:55:10 pm
his adverts might be a pain in the hole but considering the tour is just a 200 rider billboard for 3 weeks I don't see the problem with it. Advertising, from him or anyone else allows me to watch a few hours of good coverage and listen to commentators talk the kind of bullshit usually reserved for a Sunday afternoon pint in the local boozer for nowt. Small price to pay.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: AndyH on 05 July, 2011, 11:29:32 pm
err; it's ITV what do you expect?

I think that they have recently been allowed to increase both the frequency and duration of commercial breaks. It shows.

I had noticed during the past 49 years that ITV carry advertising, but it's now at the point that I might not bother to watch it at all.

And yes, Boardman's ad's are the worst.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: giropaul on 06 July, 2011, 08:58:38 am
I agree that he is a great cyclist, but the OP has a point. The ads are intensely irritating and they seem to happen every 10 minutes.

err; it's ITV what do you expect?

(I have only watched the online live stuff complete waste of time about 50% of airtime was ads and it froze for most of it)

Good point! It's not free, the price you pay is the ads. Obviously the podium one immediately makes me think that a Pinarello  Pegorretti is probably better than a Boardman, because it's what Indurain rode when he stood in the Gold position in 1996.

Fixed that for you  8)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 06 July, 2011, 10:36:10 am
I'm not that bothered by the ads in principle (edit: especially as I usually watch the show recorded so can skip through them) but there are two things that bother me about them:

1. The quotes are appalling sports biog clichés. Are they from his book or something? Clearly, he's a better cyclist than he is a writer. Couldn't they come up with something less generic and hackneyed?

2. Lack of variety. I wouldn't mind so much if there were, say, 20 different quotes on rotation, but when it's just three quotes, so you get to hear each one several times per programme, they very quickly start to grate.

d.

Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 July, 2011, 10:36:37 am
The PVR is your friend.  Record the coverage and FF through the blipverts.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 July, 2011, 11:01:43 am
The PVR is your friend.  Record the coverage and FF through the blipverts.

That's why those programme sponsorship slots were invented, you are looking for the Boardman advert in order to press play.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: perpetual dan on 06 July, 2011, 12:46:25 pm
I only see about half of those ads as I watch it recorded. I see from wikipedia that he got 2nd in the 1996 TDF prologue.
The thing I find most interesting is the piece where he rides a bit of the stage and talks about it, right after the advert, obviously on one of his bikes with the logos taken off the frame.

He won the 1994 prologue in the most convincing way possible, catching Luc Leblanc,
...
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjJ60Kx2j8I)

I know he won as well. I was just reflecting that when he says that he "doesn't see the point of 2nd and 3rd place on the podium" he is speaking with the benefit of having experienced those places.

These adverts are no more annoying to watch for me than the endless repetition of, say, transitions glasses or various Sidi products or those meerkats.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: spesh on 06 July, 2011, 12:56:34 pm
The PVR is your friend.  Record the coverage and FF through the blipverts.

That's why those programme sponsorship slots were invented, you are looking for the Boardman advert in order to press play.

+1
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: onb on 06 July, 2011, 01:01:32 pm
Then there is always the mute button which gets used for most adverts at our house .Simples ;)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Kathy on 06 July, 2011, 01:06:04 pm
My favourite is the one that goes something like:

"The difference between winning and losing is how much you're prepared to suffer. "

<significant pause>

"Buy a bike from Halford's!"

 ;D  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 06 July, 2011, 01:33:58 pm
Then there is always the mute button which gets used for most adverts at our house .Simples ;)

But obviously not all adverts. ;)

d.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: MikeFromLFE on 06 July, 2011, 03:36:18 pm

These adverts are no more annoying to watch for me than the endless repetition of, say, transitions glasses or various Sidi products or those meerkats.


A feckin' meerkat on Boardman, now that's an advert I wouldn't skip through (the first time).
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Manotea on 06 July, 2011, 03:45:20 pm
My favourite is the one that goes something like:

"The difference between winning and losing is how much you're prepared to suffer. "

<significant pause>

"Buy a bike from Halford's!"

 ;D  ;D ;D


Allowing the juxtaposition of a negative concept such as 'suffering' and [enter your company name here] is a rather questionable marketing strategy.

After a while what the mind hears is "The difference between winning and suffering is buying a bike from Halford's".

I'm sure that was not was intended though it would make an interesting T-Shirt.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Steve Kish on 06 July, 2011, 09:49:00 pm
Quote
I always wondered why there were three places on the podium'


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Well Chris, that was so that you could see three of the blokes that got over the mountains when you got off your bike

... or so that he could stand next to Obree after the world pursuit championship in 1993. O:-)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: TheLurker on 07 July, 2011, 08:02:23 am
Yeah they are dreadful, but I suspect CB didn't write them and I also expect that he cringes every time he hears them.  Haven't you done things for your employer/business that have made you want to cringe?  Anyway they're a very small price to pay for live coverage of every stage and a reasonable length summary prog. every day.


Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: LEE on 07 July, 2011, 11:09:09 am
"GO COMPARE...GO COMPARE...GO COMPARE...GO COMPARE....GO COMPARE"


Happy now?

You see, things could be worse.

Why get shirty about Boardman bikes?

I really don't see what the fuss is about.  It's ITV.  It's a commercial station.  It's an advert selling stuff.

Check out other adverts...News just in.....they are all spouting a load of bollocks.

Guess what....the actual teams in the TdF are ...News just in...ADVERTISING PRODUCTS AS WELL!!

The whole bloody thing is a 4 hour advertising session.

If it wasn't for Boardman bikes, Garmin, SKY TV, Moviestar and so on, there wouldn't be any Tour de France on TV.

Let's get real about advertising.

Buy a PVR and hit the "jump forward 3 minutes" button

Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: GruB on 07 July, 2011, 11:11:01 am
I don't mind the ads, or the bikes.  It is that stupid phrase about the podium.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 07 July, 2011, 11:28:36 am
Haven't you done things for your employer/business that have made you want to cringe?

Not on national TV.

Quote
Anyway they're a very small price to pay for live coverage of every stage and a reasonable length summary prog. every day.

Agreed. However, that's no excuse for the ads being so awful. Have you seen the brilliant Skoda ad on Eurosport? That's what they should be aiming for.

YouTube - ‪SKODA and Tour de France - A strong partnership for great victories‬ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNunotJ14o8)

d.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Redlight on 12 July, 2011, 01:16:21 pm
I don't mind the ads, or the bikes.  It is that stupid phrase about the podium.

I think the "Born on Tour" one is worse - given that he never actually finished one
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 12 July, 2011, 01:37:56 pm
I think the "Born on Tour" one is worse - given that he never actually finished one

To be fair, most of his DNFs were due to crashes/illness rather than being a quitter à la Cipollini. Also, he has hormonal problems, apparently, which means he was never able to recover quick enough to cope with the rigours of stage racing. That and the fact that he wasn't swimming in EPO, unlike most of his contemporaries.

He's often been criticised for his inability to climb, but it's all relative - like pretty much any pro, he would far outclass any of us mere mortals on the mountains.

d.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Hot Flatus on 12 July, 2011, 01:49:48 pm
Racing isn't an activity, it's a state of mind


....therefore you can win an Audax  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: DrMekon on 12 July, 2011, 02:02:41 pm
Me and my 5 year old overtook a mamil on a boardman when testing our tandem. The other day, the advert came on, and he blurted out "Born on slow", which he now thinks is the funniest thing ever.

I'm sure they are fine bikes, but the colour scheme looks poundshop, and the association with halfords does them no favours. The cheesy ads are the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Hot Flatus on 12 July, 2011, 02:14:18 pm
<lbs gossip>

My lbs man told me that the carbon frames are/were so flexy that the bike changes gear if a heavy rider gets out of the saddle. Loads of warranty returns, he said.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Rhys W on 12 July, 2011, 03:02:40 pm
<more lbs gossip>

My lbs guy is very sceptical regarding the composition of the carbon fibre that they're made of. They couldn't make them that cheap out of quality materials, the implication being that not all the fibres are carbon. Or possibly they are more resin than they should be.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Biggsy on 12 July, 2011, 03:50:26 pm
Where are the frames made?  What is the price to Boardman Co of a carbon frame made in China?
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2011, 03:59:03 pm
Pat McQuaid reckons that there are people out there selling four thousand quid soot bikes with frames made in China for about $30.  No, I don't know why he mixed up the currencies either.  BikeBiz, however, reckons he's talking bollocks.  No change there then.

Light composite bikes made in China slammed by UCI execs | Bicycle Business | BikeBiz (http://www.bikebiz.com//news/read/light-composite-bikes-made-in-china-slammed-by-uci-execs)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 12 July, 2011, 04:15:02 pm
Read Alan Bush's comment in that link and you'll find that, for once, the UCI is making some sense.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: CyclistsAnonymous on 13 July, 2011, 03:06:25 pm
LBS gossip is usually just that. Frames snap, flex and bend regardless of material, carbon fibre is no different.

Go to the right place and you can find a frame for cheap. When I was looking at buying frames and complete bikes for CA in 05/06 I was astounded at the prices you could get complete bikes for let alone just a frame. $30/40 for a frame is not unrealistic but then I'm talking about steel and alu. I also remember a time a while back when a lot of guys were buying extremely cheap Ti frames (low 3 figures) direct from China. On top of that I also directed one of the old guard on ACF to a Taiwanese factory I was in touch with to get a full carbon frame/fork set and he picked it up for about £200. If that was you get in touch because I can't remember who it was.

Bottom line is if you know where to look you can get a frame/fork/full bike for pennies. Made in China isn't a marker of cheapness anymore but if you really want a quality item from a production line you still can't beat Taiwan. As Brant from On One once told me when I was discussing China vs Taiwan bikes; You can't polish a turd.

I also got much the same line from Steve Fenton of Pro-Lite. I can see things changing over the next few years where more and more people will buy frames direct from the manufacturers in the FE and cut out the middle men. While that might save the consumer some cash I don't think it'd do the industry much good.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 13 July, 2011, 03:11:23 pm
As Brant from On One once told me when I was discussing China vs Taiwan bikes; You can't polish a turd.
On-One? That would be the company who shipped a new frame to a forum member. Rusty

Yeah, he's right - On-One can't polish anything.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: clarion on 13 July, 2011, 03:12:20 pm
That'll be Brant formerly of On-One, now of Ragley, I believe.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Hot Flatus on 13 July, 2011, 03:16:48 pm
In the case of this lbs gossip, it probably wasn't just gossip given that the lbs in question has a strong relationship with the distributor of Merida bikes.

And who makes/owns Boardman????
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Hot Flatus on 13 July, 2011, 03:19:48 pm
As Brant from On One once told me when I was discussing China vs Taiwan bikes; You can't polish a turd.
On-One? That would be the company who shipped a new frame to a forum member. Rusty

Yeah, he's right - On-One can't polish anything.

Would that be the On one that sold me a bike that couldn't take a back wheel, a track chainset that turned out not to be,and  a bike that had a mind of it's own?

I wouldn't pay too much attention to anything they have to say regarding quality
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: spesh on 13 July, 2011, 03:33:31 pm
Pat McQuaid reckons that there are people out there selling four thousand quid soot bikes with frames made in China for about $30.  No, I don't know why he mixed up the currencies either.  BikeBiz, however, reckons he's talking bollocks.  No change there then.

Light composite bikes made in China slammed by UCI execs | Bicycle Business | BikeBiz (http://www.bikebiz.com//news/read/light-composite-bikes-made-in-china-slammed-by-uci-execs)

Hmmm... [my bold]

Quote
At last week's homologation presentation to journalists at the HQ of the Union Cycliste Internationale in Aigle, Switzerland, the UCI president Pat McQuaid was critical of lightweight pro-level frames made in China.

Quote
"Bikes have become too light. They're hopping all over the place; they jump when they hit potholes or whatever. They don't have the same reactions as when we had the old steel bikes. If we continue to reduce the weight [of bikes, these problems] will increase.

UCI Luddism strikes again? The blazer brigade have been attempting to crack down on innovative frame designs since the 1990s, ostensibly on the grounds that racing cyclists from poorer nations were being priced out of access to decent machinery. Makes you wonder if McDuff is manufacturing "soot bike fear" as a pretext to impose a "UCI spec" steel-framed bike to be used for elite-level races.  :demon:
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: CyclistsAnonymous on 13 July, 2011, 03:35:25 pm
Couldn't comment on any of the above issues with On One as I've never bought from them or dealt with them as a customer. My dealings with Brant were purely professional regarding frame factories and prices. There are plenty of similar horror stories out there involving other brands, big and small and I wouldn't dismiss years of experience on that basis.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2011, 10:46:45 am
UCI Luddism strikes again? The blazer brigade have been attempting to crack down on innovative frame designs since the 1990 1930s, ostensibly on the grounds that racing cyclists from poorer nations were being priced out of access to decent machinery.

FTFY :demon:

Also, given that the weight of a UCI-legal soot bike is negligible compared with the weight of a UCI-legal rider, all this hopping about stuff sounds suspiciously close to being Clearly Bollocks.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2011, 10:49:21 am
Maybe they should introduce a handicapping system like in horse racing, based on the combined weight of rider and bike - make the lighter riders carry ballast.

d.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Chris S on 14 July, 2011, 11:00:48 am
The PVR is your friend.  Record the coverage and FF through the blipverts.

MythTV - it records the programme and then removes the Ads  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2011, 11:05:28 am
Maybe they should introduce a handicapping system like in horse racing, based on the combined weight of rider and bike - make the lighter riders carry ballast.

d.


In order to get a uniform rider+bike weight throughout the peloton, you'd have to stick a ridiculous amount of ballast on the smallest riders' bikes, and that would unfairly penalise them.

Check out the size difference between Cavendish and Greipel for example, it just wouldn't work...
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 14 July, 2011, 12:02:30 pm
Check out the size difference between Cavendish and Greipel for example, it just wouldn't work...

Damn, you're right. I was thinking that such a system might benefit the likes of Wiggo, but hadn't considered that it would adversely affect Cav.

d.
Title: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Auntie Helen on 18 July, 2011, 10:22:21 am
Yesterday Boardman said, with reference to Cav's interview where he said he was afraid of letting the HTC guys down, "I was always a miserable bugger" for the same reason. That slightly warmed me to him.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: peliroja on 18 July, 2011, 10:38:40 am
I really like Boardman ever since he dripped over a programme he was signing for me at the Duo Normand in '99. He and Jens Voigt (his two-up partner) were warming up on the turbo and having some good old friendly banter with each other. He apologised for sweating on my souvenir.

His adverts are crap, mind you.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: citoyen on 18 July, 2011, 11:22:48 am
There's been some great piss-taking of the ads on twitter, which - to his credit - Boardman has been retweeting in good humour. I think he knows how bad they are.

d.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Adrian on 18 July, 2011, 09:01:28 pm
I understand that the price to pay for watching the TdF on ITV 4 is the awful adverts. But is it me or are those inane little words of wisdom by CB trying to flog his bikes getting on other peoples nreves. An example 'I always wondered why there were three places on the podium' Well Chris, that was so that you could see three of the blokes that got over the mountains when you got off your bike.

Did he not finish once in 1996?
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: teethgrinder on 18 July, 2011, 09:21:46 pm
There's been some great piss-taking of the ads on twitter, which - to his credit - Boardman has been retweeting in good humour. I think he knows how bad they are.

d.

Whatever we may think of those ads, they are doing a very good job of getting talked about.
Those bikes look perfectly OK to me. I wouldn't turn my nose up at one.
I'm glad that someone like Boardman is on the programme too. It's good to know that what you're being told is coming from someone who has been there and done it, rather than some bullshit from some know nothing with imaginative opinions.
Crap ads? That's just commercial media for you, that is.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: alecstilleyedye on 19 July, 2011, 07:09:11 pm
I understand that the price to pay for watching the TdF on ITV 4 is the awful adverts. But is it me or are those inane little words of wisdom by CB trying to flog his bikes getting on other peoples nreves. An example 'I always wondered why there were three places on the podium' Well Chris, that was so that you could see three of the blokes that got over the mountains when you got off your bike.

Did he not finish once in 1996?
i'm pretty sure he did. iirc, if you knock off all those who have admitted to (or almost certainly were) doping, he may well have made the top 10…
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 July, 2011, 08:23:21 pm
Unless he was doping too.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 July, 2011, 09:39:46 pm
Slim chance of that. Not because he is a Brit and therefore 'better than a cheat'. Boardman had a history of outstanding ability from well before he was a pro, he submitted samples for retrospective testing and his performances during long stage races declined as you might expect to occur with an unaugmented athlete.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: Rhys W on 19 July, 2011, 11:22:03 pm
That bike that's in the corner of the shot when Gary & Chris are standing at their iPad-equipped "workstation" - it's most often in the big ring/largest sprocket combo. Gringo error!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: GruB on 20 July, 2011, 05:59:48 am
I've always like Boardman as he does present an honest image.  He reminded me a bit of Nigel Manson in previous years performances as he was a bit droll.  This year however he has been a lot more informative and even critical at times.  I particularly liked his summary of Andy Schleck yesterday when the latter moaned about downhill finishes  ;D  Keep it up ITV.
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: fuzzy on 20 July, 2011, 03:13:55 pm
I've always like Boardman as he does present an honest image.  He reminded me a bit of Nigel Manson in previous years performances as he was a bit droll.  This year however he has been a lot more informative and even critical at times.  I particularly liked his summary of Andy Schleck yesterday when the latter moaned about downhill finishes  ;D  Keep it up ITV.

Nigel Manson? Wasn't he the former World F1 Champ who went phsyco, recruited a bunch of wannabes including Murray Walker whom he persuaded to murder an actress and is now doing a long stretch at Sing Sing?

 ;)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: IanDG on 20 July, 2011, 03:19:46 pm
I have respect for Boardman. Like myself he was a GHS10 champion, but then he went on to have a cycling career I could only dream of.

Boring commentator tho'  (but - as in the cycling - I doubt I could do better) ;)
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: fuzzy on 20 July, 2011, 03:24:56 pm
A friend of mine who is very active in cycle paramedic circles dislikes him. My friend was/ is shit hot on a BMX (and has had some input in the abilities of Shanaze Reade) and got medals.

Chris Boardman dissed the BMX crowd.

YMMV
Title: Re: Chris Sodding Boardman
Post by: IanDG on 20 July, 2011, 03:26:24 pm
A friend of mine who is very active in cycle paramedic circles dislikes him. My friend was/ is shit hot on a BMX (and has had some input in the abilities of Shanaze Reade) and got medals.

Chris Boardman dissed the BMX crowd.

YMMV

Most riders of my generation dissed the BMX crowd ;)

edit: I watch them with nothing but admiration for their 'skill' now