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Title: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on March 15, 2017, 09:28:26 am
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/qw8hmmh4mja7m8j/ACMEgoesDutch.png?dl=0)

In a nutshell
ACME goes Dutch is a quick fire tour of the flat country just across the water from the Essex heartlands. The intent is for an enjoyable ride out through different terrain, sampling local consumables, and bagging a 200km in the process.

Details confirmed to date
Ferry departs from Harwich at 11pm on Friday 15th September, docking at 8am the next morning.
Return ferry departs Hook of Holland at 10pm on Saturday 16th September, docking at 6:30am the next morning.
Single cabins and breakfast have been booked for both journeys.
Confirmed attendees thus far are: Oscar's dad, jiberjaber and psyclist.

Details still to be arranged
Route to Harwich on the Friday evening, including meal stop.
Route in Holland, although some initial ideas have been posted as follows:
 - jiberjaber - https://www.strava.com/activities/387970405 (https://www.strava.com/activities/387970405) - a shorter ride completed last year
 - Oscar's dad - https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19309226 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19309226) - a rough and ready 200km
Places to stop, aligned with the route.
 - psyclist has proposed lunch stop at circa 80km, afternoon tea at approx 150km, and meal at 200km, not too far from the terminal.
Return route from Harwich.

Other riders have expressed an interest. Please do let us know if you would like to 'go Dutch'.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 16, 2017, 11:11:11 am
Good summary, I'm excited already!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 16, 2017, 01:08:26 pm
Just been having a fiddle around with routes over lunch.  This is excellent ...

I came across this interesting site today when going through some stuff for a week over there...  its a bit like a dutch version of cycle.travel

https://routeplanner.fietsersbond.nl/

Has options to avoid unpaved & ferries (of which there are lots if you're not careful :D )

I bunged in a bunch of towns which my original 200k very rough route went through and have come up with THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19599611).  Its a bit short but that's easily fixed by adding more towns waypoints, but as a proof of concept I'd say it's passed!  I didn't ask it to avoid ferries so there is at least one which crosses the river immediately after you leave the ferry port; I haven't checked to see if there are more.

Why don't the rest of you have a play with jiber's routing tool?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Vince on March 16, 2017, 04:02:22 pm
Looks good. If you are sight seeing you could stick a waymark in willemstad and look at The fortifications. The bike path on the Haringvliet bridge is not that wide and is open to local traffic including effing big tractors.
Check the Times of the ferry from HvH to spijkenese. I recall it only runs every two hours.
Lastly please wave to my former co-workers when you pass the office in Vlaardingen.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on March 16, 2017, 04:13:09 pm
Thanks for the local knowledge Vince.

I'm getting very nervous about the desire to include any of the local ferries on the route ... a lot of potential for something to go wrong. I would much rather use buffer time at the end of the ride enjoying a nice meal, not waiting for an inland ferry and end up pedalling furiously trying to make the return ferry before it sets sail.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Auntie Helen on March 16, 2017, 04:14:49 pm
I might just try to meet up with you chaps somehow. Whether it is possible who knows, but it is just faintly feasible.

I recommend you message roffa otp who lives in Rotterdam and does loads of riding around NL.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 16, 2017, 04:23:22 pm
Thanks for the local knowledge Vince.

I'm getting very nervous about the desire to include any of the local ferries on the route ... a lot of potential for something to go wrong. I would much rather use buffer time at the end of the ride enjoying a nice meal, not waiting for an inland ferry and end up pedalling furiously trying to make the return ferry before it sets sail.

I agree, we should keep off ferries as much as possible.  The one I mentioned is likely to be well used given it's location but we need to double check.

I might just try to meet up with you chaps somehow. Whether it is possible who knows, but it is just faintly feasible.

I recommend you message roffa otp who lives in Rotterdam and does loads of riding around NL.

Yes I will PM roffa and it would be great to see you again  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 16, 2017, 04:55:14 pm
Hi guys, I do a lot of my riding on routes that connect well to Hook of Holland. What kind of riding do you want to do? Delta works? Polders? The industrial landscape surrounding Rotterdam (Maasvlakte, Voorne)

Lunch arrangements somewhere nice?

Funnily last year I did a nice tour via Beijerland and thought about how nice it would be if this could be a tour for YACF?

What's the mileage you want to cover? Etc.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 16, 2017, 04:58:29 pm
Thanks for the local knowledge Vince.

I'm getting very nervous about the desire to include any of the local ferries on the route ... a lot of potential for something to go wrong. I would much rather use buffer time at the end of the ride enjoying a nice meal, not waiting for an inland ferry and end up pedalling furiously trying to make the return ferry before it sets sail.

Depends on which ferries. I take the one from Maassluis to Rozenburg all the time, it runs day and night, same with the one across Spui at Nieuw Beijerland. I would also try to incorporate Tiengemeten. I'll see what I can come up with.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 16, 2017, 05:06:41 pm
Hi guys, I do a lot of my riding on routes that connect well to Hook of Holland. What kind of riding do you want to do? Delta works? Polders? The industrial landscape surrounding Rotterdam (Maasvlakte, Voorne)

Lunch arrangements somewhere nice?

Funnily last year I did a nice tour via Beijerland and thought about how nice it would be if this could be a tour for YACF?

What's the mileage you want to cover? Etc.

Thanks for getting involved Roffa!

jibers has ridden in the Netherlands before but I haven't and I don't think psyclist has either.  So we'd like to see everything you mention!  I think it's pretty much essential that we ride below sea level  ;D  And we always want somewhere nice for lunch  :thumbsup:

We want to do as close to 200k as we can as jibers and psyclist want to log the ride as a 200k DIY audax.  I might too if I can be bothered, all I really want is a super day awheel which I don't think will be too hard to achieve.

Don't forget, you're more than welcome to ride with us.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 16, 2017, 06:21:22 pm
Hah, was going to state that as my condition for coming up with a route: "can I ride too?"

Anyway, I've done 2:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19604368

ACME 1 goes south towards Zeeland and takes you across the island of Voorne, across the Brouwersdam. Lunch in Burgh Haamstede, an exceedingly nice and well-heeled village. Then we track back to Bruinisse. We make it across Grevelingendam and along the old polder roads towards Hellegat, which we cross, to have a rest at Numansdorp. Through Hoeksche Waard, we cross the Oude Maas at Puttershoek, and cycle towards Vlaardingen through the Oude Maas nature reserve. We use the new benelux cycle tunnel to get back to the northern bank of Waterweg and make our way back to Hoek van Holland.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19604927

ACME 2 takes north through the dunes and a number of old estates as far north as Noordwijk. From there we cross to Warmond and the peat river landscape surrounding De Kaag, having lunch in Leimuiden. From there we follow polder roads to Nieuwkoop, where we start cycling along the Meije peat river to the Reeuwijkse Plassen. These are old peat lakes and we cycle along the narrow lake roads to Haastrecht, where we cycle along the Vlist river to Schoonhoven. We take the ferry across the river Lek there, and cycle along the southern bank to Kinderdijk. Many, many windmills! We take the ferry to Krimpen a/d Lek on the northern bank of Lek and cycle into Rotterdam along the Maas. From there we cycle to Schiedam and Vlaardingen to reach Hoek van Holland along Waterweg.

Both routes are slightly over 200 km and I've added a few coffee and lunch stops. As far as Dutch landscapes go, they're both very different, with distinct characteristics. The coffee and lunch stops have all been tried and tested :)

There are ferries involved, but they all run, so no worries there. They're used for through traffic.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on March 16, 2017, 07:01:05 pm
Roffa, that's really good, thank you. Additional riders are more than welcome ... especially if they help us get back to the ferry in time for our return journey. In truth, I think we'll be fine time wise. Once we've built a little buffer on the ride I'll be relaxed, and I'm sure it'll be a great adventure.

I like both routes you've put together. Perhaps route 2, heading north, would appeal to me slightly more. Good photo opportunities and lots of variety. The only comment I would have would be regarding the 3rd stop ... it looks like it's a little bit off the route, and perhaps a little early. After a good stop at Leimuiden, we could possibly push on a little further, maybe to somewhere on the southern bank of the river Lek.

I'd be interested in hearing what Oscar's dad and jiberjaber think. More than happy to iterate further, or stick.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 16, 2017, 07:24:01 pm
The ACME 2 route has a few shortcuts that can shorten ride distance considerably, and ACME 1 can be shortened to 180 km by not going via Vlaardingen, but by taking the ferry across Spui to Spijkenisse, across to Rozenburg and so back to Hoek.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 16, 2017, 07:27:09 pm
Yeah that third stop is at Reeuwijk, but it's not essential. Very nice place though. I'd exchange that for a stop in Schoonhoven, which is a beautiful city and has a good place in the weighing house.

Kinderdijk has three coffee places, because it's pretty touristy.

But in fact, it's hard to not have coffee, because we pass a lot of places, so there's improvisation as well.

I'm liking ACME2 better, also for variety, although there's something very majestic about Zeeland.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on March 16, 2017, 08:31:15 pm
All sounds very good, especially the coffee options.

I suspect we'll want to aim for the 200km, probably as a mandatory route diy, but with options to reduce the distance if we encounter any issues should be in our back pocket.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 17, 2017, 06:20:03 am
Those routes look epic - thank you! 

The southern route largely matches what I put together which appealed as I'd like to see the big dams.  However, I can see the attraction of the northern loop.  To be honest, it doesn't really matter.  I see no reason why this adventure won't be a roaring success so we'll just come back and do the other route another time.  I'm more than happy to start with the northern route if that's the consensus.

I really am excited now!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Ivo on March 17, 2017, 07:38:53 am
Starting out at Hoek van Holland you could also use parts of the Bunnik audax routes. They head roughly northeast, so usually it would be returning into a headwind.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on March 17, 2017, 09:38:34 am
Kinderdijk is proper nice:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ffLiomZDD0KtonQoAYjnau_2q8Mhhv1VnEMZ1M5MJfb76tYGxIgZYj8VNyicg2gF8hhW6p0gbEQ73Bb16qCCr9JcMKCC5y8Tn4GH19-YKQ-plYI7Mg5yDJv_BWd1HW66DZ5TUZfZkkVpOsLGOigyWP12HeEVpYIgKhl_v059nT5Zb1YNT8HuzC2vodlGnC3oqRCe_45FmdKM8BbaMGM5Muo-lJPo6AVbG4nR64kghRh6Y6KxTg0QWedUI1G9yIcFMd_0dTrutlfnoGadioylIUHOoVUFcZqdZFPrdmY7uARK4HOSWm2pqgiQzx-vM4gUvAVqum_gsdY1eBMl85Crhzn-h2BJMwYxmKLBsERYbjPui52KPk_Ks1CeX3VWj9PD9zcxChjyXsviiww6Ovzfy1wC0O8tL3gqSQHPFKtVBhweKTYmsBQJnM1TIw8lej7GzLj-QdpdRacLXoCjaqQwC5rTFYC67FCKcRy0npIVps_FY18e_0KcdQYqnvwdHUTvtLz5-qkz87-1ssZ296gqy2ZqdyFb-zdhUgcJuK6H8pFEWaKV_njEILYVpFMehKrvGdeMYnWLr-GxOCjEP3pXCItwe4lqU7RB3A-8HSGO2wz8_q1NSA=w1368-h1012-no)

The big sluices are amazing, but in terms of nice things to see, they get "samey" very quickly and starts to feel like riding along the A12 without traffic! 

We could cycle the full length of Kinderdijk if we dropped South a little @Nieuw-Lekkerland and used the path I travelled on this route https://www.strava.com/activities/388655019/overview

(https://7-t.imgbox.com/IQNth16V.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/IQNth16V)

I'm 60:40 in favour of Route 2... I'm happy as long as I get some appeltaart en slaagrom with perhaps some Calvados..... ;)

It's a shame we can't weave in the benelux cycle tunnel, it's quite impressive, but I think the route to get there might be quite busy as we would have to traverse Feijenoord around rush hour ?

ETA: I'm coming back through Hoek in June which might present an alternative route option as I travel from Breda to Hoek...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: JenM on March 17, 2017, 09:53:34 am
The problem now with this thread is a weeks tour is now being formulated in my mind....we might even meet up on the ferry!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 17, 2017, 09:58:11 am
The problem now with this thread is a weeks tour is now being formulated in my mind....we might even meet up on the ferry!

I know how you feel!  I'm thinking along the same lines, perhaps next year.  If cycling in the Netherlands proves to be as idyllic as many folks say I might even see if I can get The Current Mrs R over there  :o  I will see how we get on in September.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on March 17, 2017, 10:01:39 am
Well I'm squeezing a week in at the beginning of July... so I'll be getting my annual dutch quota in  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 17, 2017, 10:08:08 am
Well I'm squeezing a week in at the beginning of July... so I'll be getting my annual dutch quota in  :thumbsup:

I've already decided that my 2017 annual cycling adventure (5 days riding) will be UK based and in 2018 there is talk of returning to the Alps (huggy's 50th, my 55th and Tomsk's 61st birthdays) but assuming September goes well (and I can't see it not) I think the Low Countries will be further explored in the coming years, and as mentioned I'd love to get TCMR onna bike again.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on March 17, 2017, 10:30:56 am
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on March 17, 2017, 10:36:46 am
Oh and +1 for a leisurely tour ... OD's tourdax could be just the thing.

If cycling in the Netherlands proves to be as idyllic as many folks say I might even see if I can get The Current Mrs R over there  :o  I will see how we get on in September.
We expounded the delights of touring in the Netherlands to Veloman at some length during an audax a couple of years ago (probably G&Y fields) and he and Mrs Veloman went off for a holiday last year. We were very relieved having done the hard sell that they had a great time.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 17, 2017, 10:38:29 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on March 17, 2017, 10:39:46 am
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.

Can you remember which post number it was at?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on March 17, 2017, 10:08:35 pm
I reckon it was at 62 along LF11, according to Open Cycle Map anyway. I haven't dug out the NL cycling maps (though we do those)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 18, 2017, 03:24:06 am
Starting out at Hoek van Holland you could also use parts of the Bunnik audax routes. They head roughly northeast, so usually it would be returning into a headwind.

That's why I tried to minimise that. I also think that going out to Bunnik and back makes it less varied. Basically you cycle through the same landscape out and back, because you need to turn around before things get interesting at Wijk bij Duurstede, and you can't do areas like Heuvelrug. Plus it's a long slog back and it will be mostly against the wind.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 18, 2017, 03:27:04 am
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.

The one at Vlaardingervaart, could try to squeeze that in and go north by way of Midden Delfland. I'll tinker with the route some. Unfortunately, the distance doesn't warrant coffee at Op Hodenpijl yet...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 18, 2017, 04:14:11 am
ACME 2B takes in the self service ferry at Vlaardingervaart, craftily avoids The Hague to get us to Scheveningen, then leaves the coast to cycle through the estates of Wassenaar. We go north around De Kaag, use the ferry below Leimuiden to enter the polder and peat river landscape north of Nieuwkoop. We follow the Limes, the old Roman border along the old run of the Rhine to Bodegraven. Instead of following Vlist to Schoonhoven, we now cycle along the Hollandse IJssel, using the ferry at Gouderak, or the one at Oudekerk to approach Krimpen, where we use a ferry to get across to Kinderdijk. We cycle the full length of the mill run. Then along the Het Waaltje river towards Barendrecht, along the Esserdijk to Rhoon. From there we use the Beneluxtunnel (beautiful poem by Jules Deelder spans the length of the tunnel) to get to Vlaardingen and from there to Hoek. 209 km. (original ACME 2 206 km)

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19634945

Both routes takes around The Hague and around Rotterdam. Dutch urban planning places Dutch cities in a park like landscape: in the "Green Heart", urban sprawl is contained and so "the countryside" starts within 20 minutes out of the centre of both The Hague and Rotterdam. The Vlaardingen route is used for commutes, but it is built for that: double width bike paths and cycle roads towards Hoek.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on March 20, 2017, 06:49:36 am
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on March 20, 2017, 11:25:34 am
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!

I agree. It looks like we'll be treated to a near full gamut that the Netherlands has to offer, with the second trip that you've mooted filling in some gaps.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on March 27, 2017, 08:19:54 am
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!

I agree. It looks like we'll be treated to a near full gamut that the Netherlands has to offer, with the second trip that you've mooted filling in some gaps.

The nice thing about Dutch landscape planning is that it produces so much variety on a small scale.

If all of you feel tempted towards 2b, I'll flesh it out a bit more and cycle some stretches. Can add rest stops and cafes and such.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on March 27, 2017, 09:41:07 am
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!

I agree. It looks like we'll be treated to a near full gamut that the Netherlands has to offer, with the second trip that you've mooted filling in some gaps.

The nice thing about Dutch landscape planning is that it produces so much variety on a small scale.

If all of you feel tempted towards 2b, I'll flesh it out a bit more and cycle some stretches. Can add rest stops and cafes and such.

Thanks roffa. I think 2b is the consensus. It's very kind of you if you do have time to flesh out the route, but don't worry if you don't have time as what you have prepared is already a great help.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on April 24, 2017, 04:53:31 pm
There may be a plan C on the horizon for the ACME Tour de Netherland in September. Pondering underway. (@roffa - it'll involve plan b route, but I would hold off making any other changes at the moment).

Found the following link on a separate post about one-way tickets to Europe ... a rather useful online map of all the cycle routes. Mind boggling how any paths there are. http://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx (http://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on May 26, 2017, 09:47:36 am
I just booked my ferries - count me in! :)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 26, 2017, 09:54:45 am
I just booked my ferries - count me in! :)

Hooray!  Going fixed???
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: trekker12 on May 26, 2017, 09:56:30 am
Mind boggling how any paths there are. http://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx (http://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx)

I've just bought the following map as backup for our visit in the summer but it was the description of the cycle routes I thought was quite handy

http://www.stanfords.co.uk/Netherlands-Super-Durable-Cycling-Map-South_9789058810151

Quote
Netherland’s extensive network of sign-posted cycling routes, including the LF long-distance cycle paths, consists of numbered junctions joined by sign-posted connecting routes in either direction. At each junction there is an information panel showing an overview map of the whole network with the junction numbers. A second panel shows all the intersections directly connected to that junction. The system enables cyclists to plan their own routes by preparing a list of junction numbers through which they want to travel

Oh and they know the pictures of the south map are on the north map descriptions page and vice versa - I told them!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on May 26, 2017, 10:25:35 am
I just booked my ferries - count me in! :)

Hooray!  Going fixed???

Yup
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on May 26, 2017, 10:38:20 am

I've just bought the following map as backup for our visit in the summer but it was the description of the cycle routes I thought was quite handy

http://www.stanfords.co.uk/Netherlands-Super-Durable-Cycling-Map-South_9789058810151


We have those - much used.... and also an all Netherlands map book which is a bit more detailed and doesn't seem to be listed by Stanfords. It cost us what seemed a riduiculous amount of money (£25 or so) but has been well worth it. Quite heavy so for a short trip we scan the relevant pages.

Definitely intending to join you all for this, but trying to work it into a longer holiday so not booked anything yet, although we haven't normally had problems booking Stena ferries at quite short notice, and the price doesn't seem to go  up.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on May 26, 2017, 01:36:42 pm
Yay, quite some group forming. Will need to return to some more route planning discussions soon.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 26, 2017, 01:53:46 pm
I am hopeful huggy might join us too.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on May 26, 2017, 04:24:52 pm
So are we a group 'weekend' or still a brief encounter?  ???
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on May 26, 2017, 04:32:36 pm
I might be tempted by something slightly longer...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on May 26, 2017, 05:45:04 pm
If we extend to 2 days, I'm keen to make sure we drop OD off at the ferry as originally planned.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: nikki on May 26, 2017, 10:18:56 pm
I reckon it was at 62 along LF11, according to Open Cycle Map anyway. I haven't dug out the NL cycling maps (though we do those)

Can confirm - did it a few days ago.  :thumbsup:

Make sure you push the spinny thing in as you spin it.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 01, 2017, 05:22:11 pm
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.

Can you remember which post number it was at?

I've come across those sort of ferries in Friesland, here's one of the ones I've used: http://www.netperk.eu/pontje-rotstergaast-tjonger-oldemarkt/. It wasn't included in the Lowlands 1200, tho that would have been a comedy moment had it been in the route.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on June 14, 2017, 11:36:26 am
I've booked my ferry crossings to sync with Oaky so I guess that means I'm coming too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on June 14, 2017, 12:11:21 pm
So where are we with numbers for 2 day and 1 day excursions?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on June 14, 2017, 01:11:05 pm
If I can finish up in time, I will be along this evening. Can discuss then.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 15, 2017, 08:54:33 am
The ACME goes Dutch playlist now comprises of 3 tunes as I have allowed Oaky's suggestion of "Eye Level" which, for those of you not old enough to know, was the theme from Thames TV's detective series Van der Valk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Valk) set in Amsterdam. 

I'm checking with my mum but I'm sure we watched it on the telly in the 70s and I think I could play it badly on my French horn, mercifully there are no cassette tapes or cine film to confirm this fact.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: nigeld on July 03, 2017, 12:22:42 pm
Inspired by this thread, I rode a modified version of ACME 2B yesterday (Sunday 2 July). I’d like to thank roffa for publishing an excellent route, and psyclist for posting the initial idea here. The moment I saw this thread I knew I just had to do this.

The route I followed (with a couple of retrospective corrections) is at https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22526857 , with the ride itself logged on Strava at https://www.strava.com/activities/1064512332 . I modified the route to omit three of the five ferries, and to go through the centres of Leiden and Gouda, which increased the distance to 214km.

This was an absolutely superb day out on the bike, and the ACME team is in for a treat.







Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on July 03, 2017, 02:36:24 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 11, 2017, 03:28:45 pm
Well just back from 10 days of cycling around EU and looking forward already to the Dutch adventure....

Worth checking your EHIC expiry date before we go! (mine expires next month!)

ETA: Make sure you use the NHS/Gov website to renew, not one of the "renewal services" !!  :thumbsup:

https://www.ehic.org.uk/Internet/startApplication.do
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on July 11, 2017, 03:57:29 pm
Worth checking your EHIC expiry date before we go! (mine expires next month!)

ETA: Make sure you use the NHS/Gov website to renew, not one of the "renewal services" !!  :thumbsup:

https://www.ehic.org.uk/Internet/startApplication.do
Good call, mine expired in January!
Renew applied for...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on July 11, 2017, 04:23:06 pm
Worth checking your EHIC expiry date before we go! (mine expires next month!)

ETA: Make sure you use the NHS/Gov website to renew, not one of the "renewal services" !!  :thumbsup:

https://www.ehic.org.uk/Internet/startApplication.do
Good call, mine expired in January!
Renew applied for...

I never travel beyond our shores without medical insurance AND a valid EHIC card.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Johnny Faro on July 13, 2017, 09:16:11 am
I dunno. Think the renewal services are great. Charging you for something that can easily be done for free through the official website. Suppose it's time the ppi and endowment miss selling lot move onto something else.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 17, 2017, 09:49:39 am
I think it's time we consolidated the plans for our Netherlands excursion. We seem to have morphed into a group who are available for 2 days, and a few who are only able to make the first day. Indeed, I'm not sure who fits into which category, so please do reply with any corrections to the below:

Jiberjaber - 2 days
Psyclist - 2 days
OD - 1 day
Oaky - 2 days ??
Huggy - 2 days ??
bhoot + Dave - 2 days ??
roffa - 1 or 2 days ??
tedshred - 'may be tempted'
Tomsk - 'hasn't said no'
Anybody I've missed?

As for the Saturday route, I was considering reducing the distance to circa 160km to get to a drinking/eating establishment reasonably close to the ferry (e.g. Within 20km) so that those getting the ferry can get back comfortably, while those staying can complete the remaining 40km to get a full 200km in, finishing at a cheap hotel with a watering hole close by.

Then we'll need to sort out an even more relaxed ride for the Sunday.

I'll be back from hols next week so can do some route work then, unless somebody beats me to it :-). Roffa's route looks good, but just need to look at refinements and consideration for reducing the loop give ourselves more time without being pressurised by the ferry time ... OD was happy not to do a full 200km, so those staying the extra day can complete the ride using the full time allowed for a DIY 200km.

The plan will be to DIY by GPS. I have a spare Garmin if anybody needs one.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on August 17, 2017, 10:08:01 am
Huggy - 2 days ??
I'm in for the full experience, yesterday I changed my return ferry trip to Sunday evening  :thumbsup:
When I was changing my booking I did notice that the Saturday evening return ferry was fully booked, so anyone not already booked will just have to do the full experience too  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on August 17, 2017, 10:12:19 am
Oaky - 1 day
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 17, 2017, 11:33:11 am
The original 2B route has disappeared so I've used Nigel's route.

To accommodate the splinter group the present proposal is to pause the 200km ride about 40km short - group nosh/beer then The two groups diverge. 

Based on that if we reverse the route of Nigel's we arrive around 160km at a fine establishment frequented in the past called The Fat Mermaid where a wonderful tattooed waitress will serve you food & beer.
From there is is a simple 20km down to the Ferry via LF1 for Splinter Group B. (see: https://www.strava.com/activities/390759450)

This leaves Splinter Group A more options on where to head off to (Haarlem is about 40km NNE, Gouda is about 37km EES for example)

If we keep the route in the same direction as Nigel's, that does open up the possibility of *Belgium* for Sunday, (Perhaps stay in Breda?) but I worry that the bit we can reach in a sensible 'restful day' might be that inspiring.  Though this does open up a visit to Baarle enclaves where we could play a game of how many border crossings can we do in a day (or hour!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle but that might be a 150km day...

I've knocked up a RWGPS event to collate the route options here:

https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 17, 2017, 01:32:52 pm
Well done, jibers you've successfully confused the hell out of me, which admittedly isn't hard these days.  For those of us getting the ferry home on Saturday evening which of your eleventy million route options applies to us???
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on August 17, 2017, 01:36:05 pm
Well done, jibers you've successfully confused the hell out of me, which admittedly isn't hard these days.  For those of us getting the ferry home on Saturday evening which of your eleventy million route options applies to us???

The one that goes straight back from the dinner stop to the Ferry, I'm guessing ;)  (ETA: the ACLK one is my assumption)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on August 20, 2017, 10:11:03 pm
We are definitely on for 2 days, although we may extend even further and slope off to stay with friends on Goeree Overflakkee on Sunday/Monday night.  Not sure whether we will have the tandem back in working order by then - we hope so as it rather likes "going Dutch" and the colour seems to be appreciated over there! Even if solo we will try for the 200km option as it would be nice to get some points from foreign parts.
Will try to take a look at routes etc this week as we have some knowledge of the area from various tours. Any thoughts yet on where to stay Saturday night?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 20, 2017, 11:20:45 pm
RE: Somewhere to stay, Not at the moment, which is why I thought it might be useful to start looking at the route split. 

I must admit, my preference would be for an out and back, so out from Hoek on Sat, then Back on Sun rather than a circular route with a diversion at 160km as we will inevitably end up duplicating some of the route on the way back on Sunday but lets see how we get on in the next week, we probably need to conclude a place to stay soon else it might start getting expensive or we are split up by a good few KM to be in the same place.

Andrew - when are you back in the UK ?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 21, 2017, 07:13:59 am
Andrew - when are you back in the UK ?

I arrived back home just before midnight last night.

With OD and Oaky doing the day trip, I'm keen to make sure they are able to be included in the ride as much as possible, and not caste adrift. My suggestion of 160km for the split was just a proposal, but based on keeping the group together for as long as possible.

Happy to look at alternatives, but I'm thinking a looped ride that heads somewhat back to the ferry would marry the two groups the best. If the route had a natural split slightly earlier, that might be fine if we could have a nice beer before the split, and then the two day-ers could head inland for the hotel destination.

I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on August 21, 2017, 09:01:09 am
I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.

I'm more than happy with a shorter ride.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 21, 2017, 03:56:20 pm
I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.

I'm more than happy with a shorter ride.

After the fun we had on Saturday can I also ask that a kid's playground be included in the itinerary as well?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on August 21, 2017, 04:49:26 pm
I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.

I'm more than happy with a shorter ride.
Again?? Didn't you learn your lesson on the Green Man beer garden slide?!
After the fun we had on Saturday can I also ask that a kid's playground be included in the itinerary as well?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 21, 2017, 05:01:36 pm
I was only the photographer this time.  Perhaps I'm maturing so don't feel comfortable joining in with the kids anymore.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 29, 2017, 04:09:04 pm
I'm still confused.  Exactly what is the plan? 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 29, 2017, 04:35:45 pm
I'm still confused.  Exactly what is the plan?

Yourself and Oaky are doing a day trip in the Netherlands, accompanied by some excellent outriders who will safely navigate you around some of the best scenery in the region.

I'll spend some time on the route this week, so that we can confirm the specifics of the route, where your path will diverge from those staying the extra day, and rough time schedule.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 29, 2017, 04:47:00 pm
I'm still confused.  Exactly what is the plan?

Yourself and Oaky are doing a day trip in the Netherlands, accompanied by some excellent outriders who will safely navigate you around some of the best scenery in the region.

I'll spend some time on the route this week, so that we can confirm the specifics of the route, where your path will diverge from those staying the extra day, and rough time schedule.

Remember the KISS maxim. jiber's post was way too complex, he works under the misapprehension that everyone is as clever as he is  ::-)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 29, 2017, 05:48:44 pm
Remember the KISS maxim.
"I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day" ?

At my age?  I'll be needing intravenous Horlicks if that's the plan!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on August 29, 2017, 08:10:11 pm
I've got a gate pass for the Dutch weekend - and now ferry tickets.

Are there plans of where we are staying on the Saturday night?

Jan
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 30, 2017, 07:08:09 am
I've got a gate pass for the Dutch weekend - and now ferry tickets.

Are there plans of where we are staying on the Saturday night?

Jan

Excellent news, it'll be great to have you join our expanding peloton.

I'm aiming to have the route finalised this week, or Sunday at the very latest. This will then dictate the vicinity of where we'll need to stay, although there might be a bit of the reverse occurring with the availability of cheap overnight accommodation dictating the route. Will aim to provide options as to where to stay.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 01, 2017, 10:06:10 am
Thanks to Jason's vast knowledge base, we have identified a rather good overnight accommodation deal for Saturday 16th Sept, on the outskirts of Gouda. This is optimally placed for ending a 200km ride, and for arranging a split point for OD and Oaky to get back in plenty of time for the ferry.

I've booked 4 rooms at the following location ... https://www.campanile.com/en/hotels/campanile-gouda

Price I paid was £56 per twin room. I'm assuming the tandem will take one room, Jason will take one room. Jan and Huggy, I need to know your preferences re sharing or not. I'm happy sharing or staying solitary.

I took a bit of a risk by not paying the flexible rate, so there is no cancellation option. Saves £40 though.

If anybody else is joining us on the Saturday night, I'm happy to extend the booking, or you can book directly.

I will circulate the proposed routes on Sunday. Once agreed, we will do a group mandatory route 200km for those staying over on the Saturday night, and a leisurely-ish ride on the Sunday.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 01, 2017, 10:17:17 am
I'm happy to share or go solo.
This all sounds like a plan is all falling together too easily nicely  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 02, 2017, 11:44:23 pm
Thanks Psyclist, that sounds great. We will certainly occupy one room whether or not we are with tandem (it's still not back in one piece, though hopefully will be sorted this week). Let us know how we can pay you for the room.

We are staying on until either Monday evening or Tuesday midday (haven't decided yet, have ferry booked for Tues afternoon but can probably swap if necessary) so we will most likely join you for part of Sunday's leisurely ride but then divert off to wherever we decide to stay the night. Looking forward to our "going Dutch" fix as we haven't been over this year yet.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 03, 2017, 08:10:45 am
To those that have experience of such things in the Netherlands, any suggestions as to how much cash in Euro to take is a good number?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Ivo on September 03, 2017, 09:27:46 am
To those that have experience of such things in the Netherlands, any suggestions as to how much cash in Euro to take is a good number?

In a lot of places you can pay by card, so you don't need everything in cash.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 03, 2017, 09:40:22 am
On my previous trips to Holland I had issues with paying by card. The supermarkets and lots of places only accepted maestro which we can't get in the UK. That was a few years back so not sure if it is still the same now

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 03, 2017, 10:50:08 am
Thanks for booking this.  I'm happy to share.

Jan

Thanks to Jason's vast knowledge base, we have identified a rather good overnight accommodation deal for Saturday 16th Sept, on the outskirts of Gouda. This is optimally placed for ending a 200km ride, and for arranging a split point for OD and Oaky to get back in plenty of time for the ferry.

I've booked 4 rooms at the following location ... https://www.campanile.com/en/hotels/campanile-gouda

Price I paid was £56 per twin room. I'm assuming the tandem will take one room, Jason will take one room. Jan and Huggy, I need to know your preferences re sharing or not. I'm happy sharing or staying solitary.

I took a bit of a risk by not paying the flexible rate, so there is no cancellation option. Saves £40 though.

If anybody else is joining us on the Saturday night, I'm happy to extend the booking, or you can book directly.

I will circulate the proposed routes on Sunday. Once agreed, we will do a group mandatory route 200km for those staying over on the Saturday night, and a leisurely-ish ride on the Sunday.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 03, 2017, 11:59:22 am
I can strongly recommend a Caxton FX currency card, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmartin put me on to them a few years ago.. 

I have zero problems paying abroad with it, just don't use it for any sort of guarantee like car rental or when a hotel asks for your card as you check in to cover minibar etc else you can run the risk of it being blocked for a few weeks...

Works exactly the same as a bank card would and there is an app to allow you to load it with money whilst out and about - couldn't be easier! They make their money on the exchange rate being slightly lower so if you have a bank account with free transactions in foreign money then probably not worth the hassle, if you do have to pay fees, then depending on how much you use your bank card abroad, it can be worthwhile..

https://www.caxtonfx.com/currency-cards/

Not sure if there is enough time to get a card between now and the trip, but there might be...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 03, 2017, 12:14:40 pm
Anyone received their EHIC renewal yet?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 03, 2017, 12:17:49 pm
Anyone received their EHIC renewal yet?
Yep, got it back within a couple of days  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 07, 2017, 02:37:45 pm
(https://6-t.imgbox.com/y5HHlwdE.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/y5HHlwdE)

Getting closer...  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Vince on September 07, 2017, 03:10:14 pm
To those that have experience of such things in the Netherlands, any suggestions as to how much cash in Euro to take is a good number?

In a lot of places you can pay by card, so you don't need everything in cash.
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UK debit cards use credit card technology for card payments. Very few Dutch shops and services will take credit cards. Dutch debit cards use a different system.
You will be able to get cash out of ATMs with a UK debit card though.
A lot of services are card only including a lot of ticket machines in rail stations - Schiphol was one of the few places where the ticket machines work with UK cards.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2017, 03:15:44 pm
^^^ Really?  The Dutch have a card system which is completely out of step with the rest of the world?  I've been to Amsterdam a few times and paid for stuff with a credit card without any bother. 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2017, 03:23:14 pm
(https://6-t.imgbox.com/y5HHlwdE.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/y5HHlwdE)

Getting closer...  :thumbsup:

And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 07, 2017, 03:38:57 pm
And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?

Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 07, 2017, 03:41:09 pm
And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?

Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
and the weather? you have put in the order for weather??
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 07, 2017, 03:45:51 pm
And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?

Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
and the weather? you have put in the order for weather??

There will be weather.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 07, 2017, 03:46:35 pm
And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?

Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
and the weather? you have put in the order for weather??

There will be weather.
That's what I was counting on
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Vince on September 07, 2017, 03:50:52 pm
^^^ Really?  The Dutch have a card system which is completely out of step with the rest of the world?  I've been to Amsterdam a few times and paid for stuff with a credit card without any bother.
Until a couple of years ago they had a Mondex type system for paying parking charges and vending machines.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2017, 04:07:04 pm
^^^ Really?  The Dutch have a card system which is completely out of step with the rest of the world?  I've been to Amsterdam a few times and paid for stuff with a credit card without any bother.

So, on the basis that my web research reveals that the Netherlands is indeed out of step with the rest of the world I have just followed jibers' advice.  My card should be with me in 5 days...

I can strongly recommend a Caxton FX currency card, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmartin put me on to them a few years ago.. 

I have zero problems paying abroad with it, just don't use it for any sort of guarantee like car rental or when a hotel asks for your card as you check in to cover minibar etc else you can run the risk of it being blocked for a few weeks...

Works exactly the same as a bank card would and there is an app to allow you to load it with money whilst out and about - couldn't be easier! They make their money on the exchange rate being slightly lower so if you have a bank account with free transactions in foreign money then probably not worth the hassle, if you do have to pay fees, then depending on how much you use your bank card abroad, it can be worthwhile..

https://www.caxtonfx.com/currency-cards/

Not sure if there is enough time to get a card between now and the trip, but there might be...

 ::-)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on September 07, 2017, 05:56:24 pm
Hello all

So can I get a quick overview of starting times?

Also, I'll have a look at the revised route and see if I can come up with coffee/cake/beer places. In my original routes I avoided going through cities, frankly because it can be a bore. Also my ferries were dropped? I tried to include the maximum number. And they're reliable over here, so they're not a liability on the route.

I'll post an amended amended route 2B with POIs

cheers.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on September 07, 2017, 06:00:47 pm
playlist:

In the Dutch mountains (Nits)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hHzd5Uo1o

Jimmy (strength of the lonely cyclist) Boudewijn de Groot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY7JwcKo-LQ

Back to the Coast (Sjoukje Spijker)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESndyFvyTUQ
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on September 07, 2017, 06:10:05 pm
Done one last tweak to the amended amended amended route, and that's the getting to Leiden: instead of going through a rather boring stretch, we're now on the bike path to the back of the Aldegeest Estate, which is much nicer IMO.

here

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25030213
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 07, 2017, 06:33:50 pm
Hi Roffa ... long time no hear.

I'm not sure if you have seen the progress in the thread, but we have a 2 riders from the UK doing just a single day, and 6 riding 2 days. We've therefore been looking at a slightly amended route that enables a shorter route for those returning to the ferry, with a split after approx 2/3 of the ride for the remainder to continue to complete a 200km and stay overnight in Gouda.

I'm busy right now, but I'll take a look later this evening at your revised route, and see how it compares against the route jiberjaber has been kindly working on.

In terms of start time, our ferry docks at about 8am from memory, so we should be leaving the terminal by 8:30am if not earlier. I'll confirm this later.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 07, 2017, 06:37:44 pm
Done one last tweak to the amended amended amended route, and that's the getting to Leiden: instead of going through a rather boring stretch, we're now on the bike path to the back of the Aldegeest Estate, which is much nicer IMO.

here

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25030213
Hi Roffa, the plan now is to go anti-clockwise so Hoek to Kinder then to the coast we will have a group beer & food there and then 2 of our riders will then head towards the ferry whilst the remainder will head across to Gouda for overnight stay.

I'll have a look at your revised route later and see if there are any bits I can incorporate into the current proposal. :)

ETA: Looks like I cross posted with Andrew.. :) 

I think your route is basically the same as our from 48km to 211km (except we are doing it in reverse! :) )  The only new bit is Lieden your 60km to 68km which seems to an inland cyclepath next to a train line?  Our route for that section currently follows Oostvlietweg next to Park Vlietland so a waterside run out of Lieden
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on September 07, 2017, 08:27:33 pm
Hi Roffa ... long time no hear.

I'm not sure if you have seen the progress in the thread, but we have a 2 riders from the UK doing just a single day, and 6 riding 2 days. We've therefore been looking at a slightly amended route that enables a shorter route for those returning to the ferry, with a split after approx 2/3 of the ride for the remainder to continue to complete a 200km and stay overnight in Gouda.

I'm busy right now, but I'll take a look later this evening at your revised route, and see how it compares against the route jiberjaber has been kindly working on.

In terms of start time, our ferry docks at about 8am from memory, so we should be leaving the terminal by 8:30am if not earlier. I'll confirm this later.

Haha, yeah realized that after I posted. The only thing I really changed was the ride into Leiden through Voorschoten. There's a bike path along the railway line I consider better, but you have to know where it is.

I suppose the final routes will be posted shortly? Sometimes there are nicer options you have to be aware of cause they won't be apparent from the map.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on September 07, 2017, 08:29:20 pm
Done one last tweak to the amended amended amended route, and that's the getting to Leiden: instead of going through a rather boring stretch, we're now on the bike path to the back of the Aldegeest Estate, which is much nicer IMO.

here

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25030213
Hi Roffa, the plan now is to go anti-clockwise so Hoek to Kinder then to the coast we will have a group beer & food there and then 2 of our riders will then head towards the ferry whilst the remainder will head across to Gouda for overnight stay.

I'll have a look at your revised route later and see if there are any bits I can incorporate into the current proposal. :)

ETA: Looks like I cross posted with Andrew.. :) 

I think your route is basically the same as our from 48km to 211km (except we are doing it in reverse! :) )  The only new bit is Lieden your 60km to 68km which seems to an inland cyclepath next to a train line?  Our route for that section currently follows Oostvlietweg next to Park Vlietland so a waterside run out of Lieden

Yes, that's the only bit I changed. I have a preference for the Voorschoten bike path somehow and not for Vlietland. There's some other ways that can be done, by going through Wassenaar and its estates, which would be the nicest route but would also add the most length.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: roffa on September 07, 2017, 08:46:59 pm
I can see it seems like a very good idea to hit Leiden, but going by the route, that's cycling through the outskirts, and not seeing Leiden properly, because you turn right at Breestraat immediately and leave again. I can see cafes and such would be a bonus there, but honestly that entire area is so built up with nice places everywhere in Oegstgeest, Katwijk, Wassenaar and Scheveningen that it's always possible to have a good stop somewhere.

My alternative would be to get to Katwijk, then follow the LF1 through the dunes to Scheveningen and eventually to Hook.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 07, 2017, 09:22:45 pm
Thanks for the suggestions Roffa. Below is a link to the routes that jiberjaber has so kindly put together (you can see each one by selecting the route on the left hand panel). These are not final and can be tweaked before we fix the route ... the 200km route on the Saturday will need to be fixed as I will need to submit it as a group DIY mandatory route audax. Roffa's route is also included, but only for information as it doesn't take the overnight stop into consideration.

https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25025549/preview (https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25025549/preview)

The routes are as follows (in jiberjaber's words):

D1 two versions, 1 day riders (189km) and 2 day riders (200km Audax)
D2 two versions, 1 with ferry and 1 without ferry (I prefer the one without as it enters towards Hoek in a less industrial area, but could flex the ferry version to do similar?)

We are due to dock at 8am, so assuming we get away by 8:30am (ie no faffing with bikes) there will be 12.5 hours for OD and Oaky to complete the 190km back to the ferry. Check-in for the return ferry is 45 minutes before it sails, so I would suggest aiming for 9pm at the latest (for a 10pm sailing). Assuming a pedestrian 20km/h, the riding will take 9.5 hours, so 3 hours of stops. Given that I'm not aware of much undulation on the route, and at least half of it will be with a tailwind, I would expect the speed to be a bit higher, but we don't need to be on a mission. Be good to build a buffer.

The split of the groups will occur at 167km, in Scheveningen. Looks like a good place for some food/beer before we head our separate ways.

OD/Oaky, how does that feel? Is the distance alright?

For day 2, I'm happy to go with whichever option people prefer. I'm bowing to those who know the area better. If anybody has suggestions do shout.

Roffa, I presume you will be joining us, and will wait for us somewhere on the route?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 09, 2017, 12:19:25 pm
^^^ Perfect Andrew, I understand what I'm doing now!  Thank you.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 09, 2017, 03:04:08 pm
I was contemplating riding to Harwich after work on Friday.  I have THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25086675) which I have used before.  Has anyone got any betterer alternatives?  I'm happy to follow a wheel.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 09, 2017, 05:30:52 pm
I was contemplating riding to Harwich after work on Friday.  I have THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25086675) which I have used before.  Has anyone got any betterer alternatives?  I'm happy to follow a wheel.

I need to park my car somewhere close to Harwich so that I can get back home on Monday morning. I'm thinking of parking somewhere in the Manningtree/Mistley area. I don't know Harwich but would assume many people are not keen on cars being parked up for a couple of days unless in a recognised car park.

I can probably get to Harwich sometime around 7 - 7:30pm if others are arriving early for something to eat before catching the ferry. Does anybody have any suggestions where there might be safe bike parking? I think jibers has previously suggested somewhere, but I can't find the details.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Veloman on September 09, 2017, 06:21:17 pm
For eating:

https://www.brewersfayre.co.uk/pub-restaurant/Essex/Mayflower-Harwich.html (https://www.brewersfayre.co.uk/pub-restaurant/Essex/Mayflower-Harwich.html)

Sit outside or window seat which is what we did a couple of years ago. Also had breakfast there on return.

For parking, why not a street in Manningtree? Just like doing one of Tom's events. You can even catch train to Harwich International.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 09, 2017, 06:47:08 pm
I'm thinking of parking somewhere in the Manningtree/Mistley area.

For parking, why not a street in Manningtree? 

I think you missed that bit, but thank you. It was when I investigated parking for the Green and Yellow Fields that I saw there were many sensible options in the area. It's only a short cycle along the b-road from there, which saves messing with trains.

Thanks also for the eating option. From memory jiberjaber had a curry house in mind, but searching for such options in the area has not refreshed my memory with whatever his suggestion was.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 09, 2017, 08:30:59 pm
A curry would be excellent. 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 09, 2017, 10:19:11 pm
D2 two versions, 1 with ferry and 1 without ferry (I prefer the one without as it enters towards Hoek in a less industrial area, but could flex the ferry version to do similar?)

I am a bit confused - that link shows three D2 routes and it looks as if they all use the Rozenburg-Maassluis ferry and then go along the river back to Hoek. One or two of them traverse Goeree-Overflakkee where our friends live - but we can't pop in for tea as they are away that weekend!

We are also staying Sunday night, we have made a booking at the Stayokay in Dordrecht which means we could cycle with you as far as Willemstad for example then loop back, or we can do our own thing (maybe weather dependent).
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 10, 2017, 12:03:14 am
Yes d2c is me playing with an alternative to avoid industrial hell on the run in to the last ferry before the ferry...

Curry is at Captain Fryatt
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 10, 2017, 03:20:26 pm
D2 two versions, 1 with ferry and 1 without ferry (I prefer the one without as it enters towards Hoek in a less industrial area, but could flex the ferry version to do similar?)

I am a bit confused - that link shows three D2 routes and it looks as if they all use the Rozenburg-Maassluis ferry and then go along the river back to Hoek. One or two of them traverse Goeree-Overflakkee where our friends live - but we can't pop in for tea as they are away that weekend!

We are also staying Sunday night, we have made a booking at the Stayokay in Dordrecht which means we could cycle with you as far as Willemstad for example then loop back, or we can do our own thing (maybe weather dependent).

Willemstad would be great as all potential routes head to there!



 curry would be excellent. 

https://goo.gl/maps/DwDexszE1P72

I might give them a call this week to check that the curry gaff bolted on is still open (it's been a year since I was last there)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 10, 2017, 07:20:10 pm
Back to the day 1 route (the 200km version), there appears to be some doubling back at various points in the route. As this is a mandatory route ride, I think these need to be ironed out, which is probably what you inferred jiberjaber when you said there was some tidying up to do. Is this easy to do in RidewithGPS? I noted minor issues at 19km, 31km, 131km, 202km and at the end.

In terms of stops, if we assume the conservative 20km/h, then the day could look like this:

Leave ferry at 8:30, cycle to Gouda at 20km/h gets us there for 12:45. We could then have about 1 hour for lunch.

Leave Gouda by 14:00, we'd be in Scheveningen at 18:00. One and a half hours for food/drinks, and everyone can reach their next destination in plenty of time if we depart circa 19:30. It's 23km to the ferry from there for OD and Oaky.

Of course if we were cycling at 22.5 km/h, then we'd have an extra 45 minutes before the Scheveningen stop, giving options for either an early coffee stop (not my preference), or an extra stop at around the 125km mark. On the streetview I spotted a Lakeside cafe just before the 131km mark - it's small but would be a good mid-ride refuel option. It's in Buitenkaag, on the route.

Any thoughts?

We can play it by ear on the day, but it's good to have an outline plan so that we can keep everything on track through the day.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 10, 2017, 10:43:38 pm
Back to the day 1 route (the 200km version), there appears to be some doubling back at various points in the route. As this is a mandatory route ride, I think these need to be ironed out, which is probably what you inferred jiberjaber when you said there was some tidying up to do. Is this easy to do in RidewithGPS? I noted minor issues at 19km, 31km, 131km, 202km and at the end.
.........

Fixed 19km, a legacy from routing backwards from the original route.
31km, unless you fancy walking up the steps to the over-road route we need to loop a little here
131km similar, this is a double back to come down on to the cycle path
202km again, doubles around to get on to the bike path.

On the continent viewing the route with 'OSM Cycle' as the base map to see the steps etc. is quite a good idea as it then shows the detail about transition from some road to bike paths. Unfortunately, this isn't that good as the route seems to have the same colour as bike paths when zoomed out in RWGPS. :facepalm:

I've updated the 2day'ers version of the route to reflect the above.

In terms of times, We will be awoken at 05:00 to the wonderful music on board the boat, breakfast then out on the road for 08:30 (or 08:00 is we are pushy with getting the bikes in front of the cars), but by the time we pass the golf club @35km we will have been up 5 hours, so some coffee + apple cake & cream might be welcome there - an option...

I can highly recommend the following, as soon as the music comes on, get out of bed and down for the breakfast, eat then head back to the cabin for ablutions - that way you beat the queues  :thumbsup: (plus if we are lucky a fantastic sunrise across the sea)

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 11, 2017, 05:43:23 am
Thanks jiberjaber. Is the 200km route now ready for me to submit as a group DIY (after which I presume I inform all riders so they can join the same event), and for everybody to download to their GPS device?

Good advice re breakfast. I think I'll set an alarm for just before 5am so I can be sure to beat the rush.

Let's keep the 35km stop as an option, and see how we are doing on the day. I'm just a bit nervous that it'll take time for 8 or 9 riders to get served, consume, and then get going again. But given we'll have eaten quite a while before the ferry docks, a pick-me-up could be appealing.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2017, 05:45:32 am
Nice work chaps, thanking you.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 12, 2017, 01:24:31 pm
Edging closer to this little expedition. Jiberjaber has confirmed that the GPX files are ready, and can be downloaded from the following place ... https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25058383/preview (https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25058383/preview) ... select 'Go to Route' by the respective route on the left, and then use Export at the top right to select either the TCX or GPX, depending upon your taste.

You'll need to have a copy of the routes as follows. Thanks again to jiberjaber for his expertise in compiling these, and Roffa for his original on which much of the day one ride is based.

Day trippers (OD & Oaky)
 - D1 1Day Riders

Overnighters (everyone else)
 - D1 2Day Riders (200km Audax route)
 - D2B Gouda to Hoek (Ferry) ... 130.7km
 - D2C Gouda to Hoek ... 161.5km

There may be a third option added by jiberjaber soon. We can decide on the route for the Sunday on the day. All the routes go through Willemstad.

Questions:

1. When I tried to use the form to submit the day 1 ride as a mandatory route DIY, I cannot see how I can make it a group DIY, avoiding everybody submitting the same GPX to the organiser. I only see the details at https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php (https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php) ... does anybody know how we can submit once and all link to the single uploaded route?

2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 12, 2017, 02:40:43 pm
Edging closer to this little expedition. Jiberjaber has confirmed that the GPX files are ready, and can be downloaded from the following place ... https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25058383/preview (https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25058383/preview) ... select 'Go to Route' by the respective route on the left, and then use Export at the top right to select either the TCX or GPX, depending upon your taste.

You'll need to have a copy of the routes as follows. Thanks again to jiberjaber for his expertise in compiling these, and Roffa for his original on which much of the day one ride is based.

Day trippers (OD & Oaky)
 - D1 1Day Riders

Overnighters (everyone else)
 - D1 2Day Riders (200km Audax route)
 - D2B Gouda to Hoek (Ferry) ... 130.7km
 - D2C Gouda to Hoek ... 161.5km

There may be a third option added by jiberjaber soon. We can decide on the route for the Sunday on the day. All the routes go through Willemstad.

Questions:

1. When I tried to use the form to submit the day 1 ride as a mandatory route DIY, I cannot see how I can make it a group DIY, avoiding everybody submitting the same GPX to the organiser. I only see the details at https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php (https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php) ... does anybody know how we can submit once and all link to the single uploaded route?

2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.

I dont think there are any more changes though I have just added to the Day 2 files a slight route via a McD's at 30ish KM just in case we need a coffee stop (subject to weather sort of)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 12, 2017, 03:59:06 pm
Questions:

1. When I tried to use the form to submit the day 1 ride as a mandatory route DIY, I cannot see how I can make it a group DIY, avoiding everybody submitting the same GPX to the organiser. I only see the details at https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php (https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php) ... does anybody know how we can submit once and all link to the single uploaded route?
You don't need to as the first submitee, Mr S will realise the same routes as they are submitted by individual riders with their DIY by GPS application and assign them to the group ride. As the initial submitee you will get email notification of so-and-so has joined your group ride.  To make the grouping easier we could mention in the application notes that we wish to join Brevet [insert number here] if you'd like to share that.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 12, 2017, 04:37:35 pm
Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 12, 2017, 04:54:26 pm
Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.

Done!  :thumbsup:

I used the following controls:

01.   Hook of Holland       
02.   Vlaardingen       
03.   Campanile Hotel Gouda
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 13, 2017, 09:45:45 am
Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.

Done!  :thumbsup:

I used the following controls:

01.   Hook of Holland       
02.   Vlaardingen       
03.   Campanile Hotel Gouda
Ditto!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 13, 2017, 11:49:02 am
Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.

Done!  :thumbsup:

I used the following controls:

01.   Hook of Holland       
02.   Vlaardingen       
03.   Campanile Hotel Gouda

Done and acknowledged by DIY Organiser
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 13, 2017, 12:29:18 pm
2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.
Yes please... I have experimented with recording a track on my phone which seems to work OK so that's one of them, but we need another track too despite being on the same bike*. Will need a quick instruction session, guess that can be on Friday evening. My main concern is actually navigating if we manage to lose the rest of you! I might just attempt to mark it up on my super all NL cycle map book.

* the tandem is back - yay - and you can hardly see any colour difference between the new forks and the frame.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 13, 2017, 12:44:17 pm
We have now entered, hope we filled everything in OK. Us Luddites aren't used to this mandatory route stuff. Thanks psyclist and jiberjaber for kicking everything off.

Not sure yet when we will be setting off on Friday but will at least meet you all for dinner if we don't see you on the road before that. Jiber's suggested route from Colchester is pretty much the way we usually go as it can easily incorporate a pint at Wivenhoe! Have you got any rough timings along the route?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 13, 2017, 12:49:21 pm
2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.
Yes please... I have experimented with recording a track on my phone which seems to work OK so that's one of them, but we need another track too despite being on the same bike*. Will need a quick instruction session, guess that can be on Friday evening. My main concern is actually navigating if we manage to lose the rest of you! I might just attempt to mark it up on my super all NL cycle map book.

* the tandem is back - yay - and you can hardly see any colour difference between the new forks and the frame.

I'll bring a spare Garmin mount too, so that you can have it on the handlebars or on the frame. I can even start the Garmin for you as we come off the ferry, then you'll not need to touch it until we finish the ride.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2017, 12:56:50 pm
We have now entered, hope we filled everything in OK. Us Luddites aren't used to this mandatory route stuff. Thanks psyclist and jiberjaber for kicking everything off.

Not sure yet when we will be setting off on Friday but will at least meet you all for dinner if we don't see you on the road before that. Jiber's suggested route from Colchester is pretty much the way we usually go as it can easily incorporate a pint at Wivenhoe! Have you got any rough timings along the route?

Timings, An item to be discussed tonight at the MEMWNS meeting - you coming? (Compasses LG)

I must remember to ring the pub to check they still have the curry attachment!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 13, 2017, 01:19:19 pm
ring the pub to check they still have the curry attachment!

I'm curious to find out what a curry attachment is  ???

I'm still trying to buy a compasses jersey.  Last time they only had two in stock, too small or too large.

Jan
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2017, 01:22:58 pm
I'm now in two minds about riding to Harwich.  I know the ferry sails at 11pm, I guess we will need to be ready to board by about 10:30 if not earlier so I'm thinking curry will need to commence between 8 and 9pm.  In which case I won't have time to ride to Harwich as I won't be able to leave Witham before 5pm.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Auntie Helen on September 13, 2017, 01:42:30 pm
You must check in at least 40 minutes before the sailing time!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 13, 2017, 01:48:28 pm
Ticket has check-in by 10:15. I'd suggest aiming to be there by 10 to be sure.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 13, 2017, 02:26:16 pm
Timings, An item to be discussed tonight at the MEMWNS meeting - you coming? (Compasses LG)
Sadly no, we have a rare evening of culture at a concert.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2017, 02:40:02 pm
Timings, An item to be discussed tonight at the MEMWNS meeting - you coming? (Compasses LG)
Sadly no, we have a rare evening of culture at a concert.

In that case, here's my initial thoughts:

I'd probably to get to the pub no later than 19:00 (to be discussed tonight of course!).  There is the fallback option of eating on the boat which isn't too bad tbf - it's either a fine dining experience or a cafeteria (i.e. curry & chips sort of thing).

Last time I got the boat I set off from home around 14:30, was at Cpt F for about 18:50, at the waiting area for the ferry at 20:45 and on board for 21:10...  That worked well last time (enough time to get tied up, shower and a beer then bed - however I also had the fine dining experience which got me to bed quite late!)

Remember once you are on the boat, you magically lose an hour, my plan will be to go to bed when I get on board (maybe a pint first) so when you get woken at 05:00 for breakfast, it's actually 04:00 UK time  :facepalm:

I was thinking about (late-ish) lunch at Battlesford Court then heading off (14:00-14:30) to Harwich if that helps (hence the Witham stop on my D0 route)...

ETA:  Bad news, the curry house closed on 10th Dec last year and is now a pizza place, unfortunately its presently closed for refurbishment.... so I'll have to think of a plan B (Plan C is eat on boat)

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2017, 03:41:47 pm
Hang on, I have access to local knowledge.  Back soon...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 13, 2017, 04:58:57 pm
Remember once you are on the boat, you magically lose an hour, my plan will be to go to bed when I get on board (maybe a pint first) so when you get woken at 05:00 for breakfast, it's actually 04:00 UK time  :facepalm:
Are you sure you aren't getting your time zones mixed up or did you ask for a special early call? My recollection is the music plays around 06.00 Dutch time, given that the boat doesn't get in until nearly 08.00, I think 05.00 local time is way too early...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2017, 05:50:22 pm
I took a photo after I had eaten timed 0612 but unclear if that is UK or Dutch time (suspect it's dutch time, but could be UK) so I don't think I was that quick at getting up, getting to the area and eating...

I suspect we'll know when we ask on board - though it's still an hour lost heading over to EU iirc

Good excuse to post a nice picture though  :thumbsup:

(https://thumbs.imgbox.com/49/be/X5KM6J99_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/X5KM6J99)

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 13, 2017, 07:08:54 pm
The website says

HARWICH - HOOK OF HOLLAND   
Vessel                    Departure Harwich   Arrival Hook of Holland   Status   Remarks
Stena Britannica   09:05                   17:15                           Arrived   None
Stena Hollandica   23:00                   08:00                           On Time   None

HOOK OF HOLLAND - HARWICH   
Vessel                   Departure Hook of Holland   Arrival Harwich   Status   Remarks
Stena Hollandica   14:43                           19:45           Departed   None
Stena Britannica   22:00                           06:30          On Time   None

So we have 8 hours travelling on a night crossing - beer sleep and breakfast = result!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 14, 2017, 06:46:50 am
My trip to London on Friday afternoon has been replaced by a conference call, so I will now be able to get away at a good time. I'll be driving most of the way then cycling just the last bit into Harwich. Do we have a venue in Harwich to meet at ... is the Brewers Fayre the most suitable choice? I can be there from about 7pm.

I'm travelling light. I was thinking about bring some flat shoes to wear when off the bike, but would prefer not to carry them if possible. I'm thinking the only time they would be used would be on the boat, in which case I would just wear socks. The only other time might be at the hotel in Gouda, but again if we are just using the bar/restaurant in the hotel I can get away with socks. Or if we have time and cycle into central Gouda, we'll be in cycling gear so I'll just keep my cycling shoes on. Does that sound logical, or is anybody planning on walking anywhere that would make flat shoes a useful option to carry?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 06:53:42 am
I'd rather eat before getting on the boat, I don't really care what we eat, Brewer's Doodaa will be fine.

Also I probably won't be wearing a Magic Hat as I'm not riding to Harwich anymore, I don't always wear a helmet on day long rides.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 09:52:24 am
Looks like not a lot of options to lock up the bikes at Brewers Fayre?

I'm researching at the moment but the area isn't really famed for lots of places to eat that are OK from the looks of it...

This sort of looks OK (13km from the ferry)
https://goo.gl/maps/zev786xe2zK2


I'm packing a lightweight set of shoes which I seemed to have carried to the pub with me on the last 2 occasions  :facepalm:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 11:08:25 am
Looks like not a lot of options to lock up the bikes at Brewers Fayre?

I'm researching at the moment but the area isn't really famed for lots of places to eat that are OK from the looks of it...

This sort of looks OK (13km from the ferry)
https://goo.gl/maps/zev786xe2zK2


I'm packing a lightweight set of shoes which I seemed to have carried to the pub with me on the last 2 occasions  :facepalm:

An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich!  I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs.  I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port.  The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.

Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 11:19:45 am
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)

II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :)  So I am not too keen on the Brewers place.  I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 11:27:11 am
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)

II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :)  So I am not too keen on the Brewers place.  I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...

The Alma is good.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 14, 2017, 11:28:10 am
An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich!  I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs.  I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port.  The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.

Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.

I'm also aiming for the 17:46 from Witham and I'm tempted to take my chances with the Brewer's Fayre (in which case, gettign of at Harwich International seems to make sense).

Sattelite image shows the usual complement of outdoor tables as often used for bike locking on MEMWNS excursions (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Brewers+Fayre+Mayflower/@51.9390358,1.2579594,68m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47d90cc35bfd1141:0xc86cc046709a193e!2sHarwich!3b1!8m2!3d51.934731!4d1.260297!3m4!1s0x0:0xb1c6f3b118f7e3b3!8m2!3d51.939051!4d1.2577797?hl=en)

Photos of the area (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Brewers+Fayre+Mayflower/@51.9369172,1.2580546,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNz98cwsJNcib0Dbv2UB68VDJGxuq7TZQ3bDIPp!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNz98cwsJNcib0Dbv2UB68VDJGxuq7TZQ3bDIPp%3Dw156-h117-k-no!7i4032!8i3024!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47d90cc35bfd1141:0xc86cc046709a193e!2sHarwich!3b1!8m2!3d51.934731!4d1.260297!3m4!1s0x0:0xb1c6f3b118f7e3b3!8m2!3d51.939051!4d1.2577797?hl=en)

Photo with cyclists :) (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Brewers+Fayre+Mayflower/@51.9386324,1.2567597,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOhD6r1e3S2nbt48jzyLbSJpZ4i82yLsHepGahb!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOhD6r1e3S2nbt48jzyLbSJpZ4i82yLsHepGahb%3Dw203-h114-k-no!7i3840!8i2160!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47d90cc35bfd1141:0xc86cc046709a193e!2sHarwich!3b1!8m2!3d51.934731!4d1.260297!3m4!1s0x0:0xb1c6f3b118f7e3b3!8m2!3d51.939051!4d1.2577797?hl=en)

Streetview shows lamp posts etc. outside / around Lidl (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9394508,1.2587941,3a,15.6y,223.25h,87.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0C_9bHPQ7tM72d7T8JCzhQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 14, 2017, 11:31:43 am
I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs. 

That train requires a change at Manningtree, I believe. I could meet you at the station and ride to the place in Bradfield Heath. It's not far from Manningtree.

Or meet both you and Oaky.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 11:32:20 am
Right then, that seals it, I shall simply follow Oaky and do what he does.  When has this sort of thinking ever gone wrong?  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 11:33:18 am
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)

II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :)  So I am not too keen on the Brewers place.  I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...

The Alma is good.

That seems a far better prospect!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 14, 2017, 11:33:47 am
Just spotted the alternative of the Alma being suggested.

I'm fine with any of the options really :)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 11:34:50 am
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)

II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :)  So I am not too keen on the Brewers place.  I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...

The Alma is good.

That seems a far better prospect!  :thumbsup:

Booking might be a good idea.  Or we could just do the Brewers Fayre, Oaky says it'll be fine.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 11:46:10 am
Perhaps The Alma for when there are less of us then...  looks like it's Brewers then...


There appears the possibility of a back way in to the Brewers via Parkeston Rd to avoid the RBT as long as the gate is open - I'll give that a try on the way in.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 12:36:12 pm
An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich!  I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs.  I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port.  The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.

Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.

I'm also aiming for the 17:46 from Witham and I'm tempted to take my chances with the Brewer's Fayre (in which case, getting off [typos corrected  ;D  ]at Harwich International seems to make sense).

If time allows we could always have a quick one in The Railway before setting off and / or get a few cans for the journey  :thumbsup:

huggy - are your travel plans the same ^^^?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 12:44:13 pm
An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich!  I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs.  I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port.  The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.

Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.

I'm also aiming for the 17:46 from Witham and I'm tempted to take my chances with the Brewer's Fayre (in which case, getting off [typos corrected  ;D  ]at Harwich International seems to make sense).

If time allows we could always have a quick one in The Railway before setting off and / or get a few cans for the journey  :thumbsup:

huggy - are your travel plans the same ^^^?

There's half a plan to meet at Spoons for a spot of lunch and cycle up to Harwich - not agreed a time for Spoons yet, you could have a lunch time meeting with us also?

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25126069
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 01:17:52 pm
Yes, that's a possibility.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 14, 2017, 05:34:04 pm
We could be up for late-ish lunch depending on what time we get away. Will follow developments tomorrow morning but would also appreciate a text to confirm any lunch time meet up and/or evening meal decision.

BTW we will have our large panniers - so they should provide a good wind shelter for the rest of you! We will also take one decent lock so can potentially lock someone's bike to ours.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 05:42:35 pm
We could be up for late-ish lunch depending on what time we get away. Will follow developments tomorrow morning but would also appreciate a text to confirm any lunch time meet up and/or evening meal decision.

BTW we will have our large panniers - so they should provide a good wind shelter for the rest of you! We will also take one decent lock so can potentially lock someone's bike to ours.

I will try to remember to text you.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 06:41:08 pm
So, 13:00 Spoons for Lunch?

Set off from there around 14:45

I suspect Cooks Wood might not be the best bit of COR given the rain of late plus might not be Tandem friendly! so via Layer-de-la-Haye, but also missing out some other COR and taking in the military bit of Colchester

Wivenhoe for about 16:30 (light friday based refreshments for about 40mins?) with the stop we would be at Harwich Brewers for about 18:30

Ferry opens for boarding at 20:30

Revised route...
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25126069
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 14, 2017, 07:08:11 pm
Looks like the Friday plan is there. I'll head straight to the Brewers Fayre, and aim to be there at 18:30 or as soon after then as I can manage.

It sounds like most people are accounted for, with the possible exception of Grey Sheep, whose travel plans to Harwich have not been shared yet, at least here. If we're all aiming to be at the Brewers Fayre before 7pm, then we can eat and be on the boat nice and early.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 14, 2017, 08:12:34 pm
Hi all, I am planning to meet up with Huggy and Jibbers at spoons in Witham and cycle to Harwich. As little COR as possible though

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 15, 2017, 10:28:33 am
Currency card exchange rate had a little jump this morning, 1.09 to 1.14 for GBP to Euros in case you haven't loaded up money yet  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 15, 2017, 10:33:28 am
Currency card exchange rate had a little jump this morning, 1.09 to 1.14 for GBP to Euros in case you haven't loaded up money yet  :thumbsup:

I have one of your moody money laundering cards now.  I might top it up again - thanks for the tip  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 15, 2017, 10:44:57 am
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 15, 2017, 11:15:04 am
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!

Wise move. Showery from what I see, but those showers could be heavy.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 15, 2017, 11:19:45 am
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!

Wise move. Showery from what I see, but those showers could be heavy.

What!  Rubbish weather  ???  Andrew, as a fledgling ACME / Mid-Essex yacf organiser you can't cock up your first trip by order the wrong sort of weather!  Points will be deducted!  The  weather on the trips I organise is always perfect  :smug:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 15, 2017, 11:39:09 am
Packing is coming along nicely here, Dave is looking forward to kennel cam this evening!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 15, 2017, 11:55:46 am
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!

Wise move. Showery from what I see, but those showers could be heavy.

What!  Rubbish weather  ???  Andrew, as a fledgling ACME / Mid-Essex yacf organiser you can't cock up your first trip by order the wrong sort of weather!  Points will be deducted!  The  weather on the trips I organise is always perfect  :smug:

Some of the most evocative cycling photos were taken in wet conditions.

There again, how often is the weather forecast correct?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 15, 2017, 12:16:12 pm
Packing is coming along nicely here, Dave is looking forward to kennel cam this evening!

You're putting him in a kennel  :o  That's a bit mean  >:(
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Veloman on September 15, 2017, 01:41:52 pm
Packing is coming along nicely here, Dave is looking forward to kennel cam this evening!

Ahhh, the fascinating 'in-flight' equivalent entertainment! Very disappointed that I was not able to join the fun but community meetings this weekend prevented any involvement. I have no doubt an excellent time will be had by all and I will thinking about in cycle wonderland.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 15, 2017, 01:45:40 pm
Yep, have fun y'all....
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 15, 2017, 06:00:30 pm
Message for OD & Oaky - we are now eating at the Waterfront as the Brewers Fayre is too busy. I've secured tables, and will try calling once I get your number. Waterfront is 2km from BF, an easy google maps navigation.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 17, 2017, 09:36:15 am
Well, I'm back home from a fabulous if wet Dutch micro adventure - loved every minute of it.

Many thanks to psyclist and jibers from organising the trip and everyone else for their company.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 17, 2017, 07:47:57 pm
And today we had a fabulous sunny Dutch micro adventure...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 20, 2017, 07:55:28 am
A big thank you from me to everyone :thumbsup:, but especially to organisers, for making this a great weekend.

Apparently it rained, but I just have memories of great cycling, with great company and a country with great roads and cycle paths.

Thanks all ;D

Jan
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 20, 2017, 08:56:10 am
+1  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 20, 2017, 09:43:47 am
Great fun - thanks to psyclist and jibers for getting it all together.

It may have rained, but that didn't detract from the fun of it all.  (It also provided the first extended test of my waterproof jacket which performed admirably).

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 21, 2017, 07:52:06 am
For my part, I would like to thank everybody who came for making it such a great trip. When I first started mentioning my idea of nipping across to the Netherlands for a 200km, the feedback was positive but I had no idea we would muster 8 soles to partake in this little adventure.

On seeing the rain cascading down as we left the ferry on the Saturday morning, you could see the experience of everybody just kicking in and getting on with those first few kilometres of the ride. Thankfully the sky was full of different shades of grey, so heavy rain became light, and then intermittent. There were even signs of a great fiery ball in the sky later on that first day.

Day one was less photogenic due to the damp conditions, but come day two we were bathed in glorious sunshine. As we meandered back towards the coast, we diverted to view again a gaggle of windmills, before crossing a number of waterways via ferry and bridge.

Cycling in the Netherlands is brilliant. We stuck exclusively to cycle paths, and enjoyed passing through many interesting villages and towns. Using the overnight ferry out and back made the most of the time, and proved very clean and comfortable. As one person mentioned, the ferry is like a floating Travelodge.

I'm keen to head back for another jaunt next September, perhaps heading more into the interior. September feels like a good time, as an end of season wind-down, and helping those on an RRtY to get a ride in with a difference. 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 21, 2017, 09:21:42 am
I'd be interested in going back too but without the audax element, perhaps a 2 or 3 day jaunt doing 60 to 80 miles a day thus leaving some time for regular refreshment and sightseeing stops. The overnight ferry definitely works though.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 21, 2017, 09:34:00 am
I'd be interested in going back too but without the audax element, perhaps a 2 or 3 day jaunt doing 60 to 80 miles a day thus leaving some time for regular refreshment and sightseeing stops. The overnight ferry definitely works though.

I concur with your thoughts there. On day 2 we used the 130km route and it was noticeably more relaxed cycling with longer stops to boot. Depending on numbers on a future trip, on one day we could think about splitting the group for half the day to let one group build up the kilometers for a 200km, and keep the remainder more relaxed.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 21, 2017, 09:39:41 am
That would work. Saturday was a ride of two halves for Oaky and I. H1 at audax pace and H2 was definitely tour mode. 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 21, 2017, 09:56:53 am
Talking of me and Oaky's post lunch breakaway...

We had no pre-organised Gouda / Hook route. Fortunately I have a QuadLock iPhone case and the corresponding mount on Fred's stem. Even better I have the waterproof poncho for my phone as well and I can power my phone from Fred's dynohub.  [1]

So I simply got Google maps to give me a cycling route from Gouda to The Hook and it worked perfectly! Google knew all the cycle paths and I even had voice instructions too.  Initially my phone wasn't charging but after I unplugged and plugged in again it all worked and I arrived at The Hook with a fully charged battery.  The data usage came out of my UK data allowance so didn't pay any extra thanks to the new EU roam like home arrangement which will no doubt get bolloxed by Brexit.

[1] In fact what I do is plug the hub into a battery pack and run my phone and Garmin from the two output ports on the battery pack.  The battery pack was nearly fully charged as well even after powering/charging two devices for most of the day.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 21, 2017, 10:53:03 am
An excellent weekend enjoying the lowlands. :thumbsup: 

I felt a fair bit of pressure on the Audax day around timings to get round a 200km route and have an enjoyable time... the frequent town sections whist pretty we very slow sections and not audax friendly... something to watch out for and avoid next time I think.  Also an observation from what worked well on other tours was when we stop, gather everyone together and agree what time to leave.. we failed to communicate as a group a couple of times which could have upset the apple cart if we weren't all sort of used to each other already!

The second day was less pressured but still had a timing pressure due to the boat, so it still felt a bit rushed (even when you remove the fast riding out of the equation).

My thoughts are it would be better to ride out on the day off the boat and Audax the following day, then ride back to the boat a day after that. This would also accommodate anyone who wanted to come along and not ride a 200km as they could do their own thing on the middle day.

The problem with a 3 day is it might require a Thursday evening crossing, riding 200km on a Sunday over there might not work out for logistics, however a Thursday crossing might be cheaper?

From my experience now, we were on the limit of enjoyable time with the 130km route back I think some of that can be mitigated by eating on the boat, but also understand that might not suit everyone, perhaps an earlier food stop before the last 30km or so would work better (i.e. Fat Mermaid on the return worked well on one ride back to the boat for me.) - I am so glad we didnt do the longer versions of the D2 route, it would have ruined the weekend because of even more time pressure to get back..

Personally, I am gravitating to no more than 100km a day, may be 120km at a push to transition to where we might want to start a 200km.  This allows for a nice touring/audax pace with some good stops to refuel, though probably longer abroad, but why wouldn't you want to spend longer over there!  :thumbsup:

 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 21, 2017, 11:11:01 am
The second day was less pressured but still had a timing pressure due to the boat, so it still felt a bit rushed (even when you remove the fast riding out of the equation).

Perhaps because you were doing such an excellent job corralling us, I didn't feel any pressure and always felt confident we had plenty of time in hand.

My thoughts are it would be better to ride out on the day off the boat and Audax the following day, then ride back to the boat a day after that. This would also accommodate anyone who wanted to come along and not ride a 200km as they could do their own thing on the middle day.

A good suggestion.  :thumbsup:

From my experience now, we were on the limit of enjoyable time with the 130km route back I think some of that can be mitigated by eating on the boat, but also understand that might not suit everyone, perhaps an earlier food stop before the last 30km or so would work better (i.e. Fat Mermaid on the return worked well on one ride back to the boat for me.) - I am so glad we didnt do the longer versions of the D2 route, it would have ruined the weekend because of even more time pressure to get back..

Conversely, the stop 12km from the ferry was enjoyable in that we could enjoy decent food. If we were running late, this stop could have been by-passed without too much issue. A stop further out is not so optional as it would more likely be a food stop we couldn't do without. However, if we had a more relaxed schedule I don't think it would be a problem either way.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 21, 2017, 11:00:12 pm
Overall it was a great weekend, many thanks to the organisers. Extending it to 3 days was good, our mileage dropped each day - 128 on Audax day, then an 80 miler, breaking away from the ferry gang afer lunch and ending up in Dordrecht in time to enjoy a beer on the sunny and scenic terrace of the youth hostel. The final day back to the ferry was a mere 59 miles - but we did go for a walk around the Biesbosch area in the morning.

Definitely an event to repeat, as mentioned elsewhere I think with some tweaking of the audax route to pass through less big towns/built up areas it would be less stessful timewise. Heading south from Hoek would probably work well as it's more rural down there. Incidentally on the way back to the ferry we found a 10km cycle path down an "island" between two waterways (Spijkenisse to Rozenburg-ish) which was great - no nav, no junctions, decent surface (except sheep shit) and of course no traffic! A few sections like that can help a lot on overall speed.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on October 03, 2017, 01:30:15 pm
As a placeholder for an idea for the next ACME venture across the north sea, trains. Inspired by https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=105227.0;topicseen (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=105227.0;topicseen)

One option could be cycling east until such a time as a train is needed to return us to the ferry, thus avoiding the prevailing winds!

Just an idea. Will start looking at all options in the spring. 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on January 15, 2018, 12:33:37 pm
ACME goes Dutch 2018

Ferries are half price if booked before 31st January. If booking a flexible fare the return price including a single cabin and breakfast in both directions is £140.30. Dates can be changed later if needed, and a £3 per sailing fee would be applied if the booking is cancelled. So makes sense to book early. Use code 'SALE' on Stena Line website.

Outline plan is as follows:

- outbound ferry from Harwich at 23:00 on Friday 14th Sept
- breakfast on ferry, to fuel start of ride
- 200km on the Saturday
- less distance on the Sunday
- train assist options can be worked into the plan, either for Saturday laggards or to provide a return option on the Sunday if the ride keeps heading east rather than doing a loop
- return ferry from Hook at 22:00 on Sunday 16th Sept

There is no advantage in doing a group booking as far as I can see, so I suggest all those who are interested book independently. I'm going to wait until the end of this week before booking, to allow time for any discussion on the plans. So please do post here if you are interested, and if you have any thoughts on the plan.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on January 15, 2018, 05:36:23 pm
That sounds ace to me (at the moment!)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on January 15, 2018, 06:35:17 pm
Yes, the plan has much appeal.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on January 15, 2018, 07:04:12 pm
I'm in. 

Just tried the website, and 50% is a loose term!  I like the way breakfast costs £9.90 and is £11.00 when selected....

Still all comes back to the figure you quoted though
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on January 16, 2018, 11:19:55 am
Just a thought, what sort of weather has been ordered?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on January 16, 2018, 11:22:40 am
Just a thought, what sort of weather has been ordered?
Epic! (again, probably :facepalm:)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on January 16, 2018, 11:25:18 am
Hmmm, that's what bothers me! 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on January 16, 2018, 11:33:36 am
Historically, the average temperature in the Netherlands on 15th September has been 18 degrees during the day, and 13 degrees at night.

Rainfall amounts in September average 75mm with most falling on an average of 10 days out of 30. Much of the precipitation is light in nature.

So there is a 67% chance that it'll be dry, and if it does rain it is not likely to be heavy.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on January 16, 2018, 11:41:18 am
Historically, the average temperature in the Netherlands on 15th September has been 18 degrees during the day, and 13 degrees at night.

Rainfall amounts in September average 75mm with most falling on an average of 10 days out of 30. Much of the precipitation is light in nature.

So there is a 67% chance that it'll be dry, and if it does rain it is not likely to be heavy.

Thank you for that Professor!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on January 16, 2018, 11:42:41 am
Rainfall amounts in September average 75mm with most falling on an average of 10 days out of 30. Much of the precipitation is light in nature.
All of which fell on the 16th September 2017  ::-)
The 17th September 2017 was very nice!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on January 21, 2018, 01:23:30 pm
Ferry booked!  :thumbsup:
(Tempted to extend it but will see closer to the date)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on January 21, 2018, 03:02:59 pm
Ferry booked!  :thumbsup:
(Tempted to extend it but will see closer to the date)

Ditto
&

Ditto :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on January 21, 2018, 04:27:47 pm
Ferry booked too. The Straggler is aboard the trip too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on January 29, 2018, 12:25:37 pm
I just made an £8 profit unexpectedly.

Following discussions about keeping the return dates flexible in case anybody decides to extend their trip by a few days, I thought that I would remove myself from the booking with the Straggler, and create a new booking as a separate traveller. So I did the following:


I double checked everything, and haven't omitted anything. So I guess the prices must have reduced since making the first booking.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on June 05, 2018, 09:38:58 am
Just sticking this here as a home for it... this is on about the enclaves at Baarle which might be a destination or part of a route...
https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2018/06/05/from-railway-to-cycleway/

Also....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhFCLnwrh7Q
(though it doesn't show the 'ups' to get to the 'downs'  ;D  + there's even a bloke in an orange helmet!)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Auntie Helen on June 05, 2018, 12:50:44 pm
I’m visiting the enclaves in 2 weeks...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on June 05, 2018, 01:51:10 pm
I’m visiting the enclaves in 2 weeks...

I think we rode just past them on the way back from Tilburg when I was over there with The Fridays.  I was surprised by the geography as we rode from there, almost desert mixed with forrest!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: nigeld on June 29, 2018, 10:46:32 am
This thread inspired me to ride a DIY 200 in the Netherlands last summer. I had such a good time that I went back a couple of weeks ago to ride a DIY 400.

I've written a ride report at https://ctccambridge.org.uk/blog/2018/06/18-jun-hook-utrecht-amsterdam-groningen

Nigel
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 29, 2018, 12:01:30 pm
This thread inspired me to ride a DIY 200 in the Netherlands last summer. I had such a good time that I went back a couple of weeks ago to ride a DIY 400.

I've written a ride report at https://ctccambridge.org.uk/blog/2018/06/18-jun-hook-utrecht-amsterdam-groningen

Nigel

We like being inspirational!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on July 02, 2018, 02:30:38 pm
Has anyone made a decision on a slight extension ?

I was thinking of returning on the Monday night ferry.

Have my legs ripped off by Psyclist on the Saturday, head to somewhere about 100k from Hoek on the Sunday and then a leisurely meander back there on the Monday.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 02, 2018, 02:40:34 pm
Has anyone made a decision on a slight extension ?

I was thinking of returning on the Monday night ferry.

Have my legs ripped off by Psyclist on the Saturday, head to somewhere about 100k from Hoek on the Sunday and then a leisurely meander back there on the Monday.

I've not heard consensus yet, but I am happy to extend (even a bit longer perhaps).  There's a lot to explore plus Belgium beer etc... I was half thinking of heading along Eurovelo 2 towards Russia but that is far too long a track for this journey!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on July 02, 2018, 05:16:32 pm
I’m not able to extend, neither is the Straggler. I think all others are possibly able to extend.

I’ll check with bhoot to see how the Saturday route is shaping up, as that will then determine options for Sunday and Monday.

Having learnt from last year, this year’s route should involve fewer speed limiting towns, so average speed can be less. At least that’s what I’m hoping.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 03, 2018, 04:08:05 pm
OK - well I've booked up to and including 19th off so could come back either Mon, Tue or even Wed (with train assist home)....
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on July 04, 2018, 06:58:56 pm
I’m keen to extend for a day or so.  I’m booked with Huggy, so will see what his availability is....
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on July 05, 2018, 10:18:18 am
Huggy is looking forward to your cruise together.

He is currently thinking of a Monday night return which is what I have booked.

Jiber is looking at extending to next April so that he can bag some squares in Ukraine.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on July 10, 2018, 07:36:56 am
Plans are coming together, with bhoot doing a sterling job coming up with a couple of outline options for the Saturday (15th Sept). Generally heading south on a picturesque route and ending up in Breda. From there, those returning on the Sunday night have an easy run in of circa 100km, or can extend a little as desired. Those staying an extra day can decide in which direction to head next ... possibly we can combine the two for a short while on the Sunday morning, depending on preferences.

The proposed hotel on the Saturday night is the Camponile Breda. DO NOT BOOK NOW, unless you can get a cancellable booking. bhoot is checking the bike parking arrangements first. Price is €62, although looking around I've seen £40 on booking.com, slightly less elsewhere. Once we have bike parking confirmed I'll suggest we then book individually or sharing, as people wish. If in the meantime you're not keen on the hotel or can suggest an alternative that is similar in price in Breda, please do shout.

Details are:

HOTEL CAMPANILE BREDA
MINERVUM 7090 4817 ZK BREDA Netherlands

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on July 23, 2018, 03:11:31 pm
Any further plans for this ?

I would like to start thinking about how long I will be away and booking hotels.

At the moment, I quite like Jiber's idea of cycling to Germany and then train assist back to Hoek.  Not sure how that fits in with Breda on the Saturday though.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on July 23, 2018, 07:59:52 pm
HOTEL CAMPANILE BREDA as per my previous post is now confirmed. They have storage facilities for the bikes, although they haven't specified exactly what nature that is ... last year the facilities were locked, available to anybody who used the hotel. Alternatively one might not ask questions and just wheel the bike into the bedroom. Might work.

So feel free to book, flexible rate or not as you prefer.

Route details are not yet available online, but bhoot has been working on the 2 options. Hopefully we'll have something to peruse soon.

I'm not an expert on route mapping in the Netherlands, so will defer to others in respect to routes from Breda. I'll be looking for the picturesque way back to Hoek. Jason, can you point me in the right direction for something that might be of interest, which the Straggler and I, and anybody else who is returning on the Sunday night, could use, or modify as appropriate?

I'm Mille Cymru-ing after tomorrow, but aim to be out next Wednesday if the venue is somewhere central. Can plan then, if everything isn't sorted in the meantime.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on July 23, 2018, 10:21:07 pm
Room shares or singles ? 

Jiber, plan for a couple or three more days ?

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 23, 2018, 11:21:36 pm
I'll have to have a think... I recall we were considering the Wednesday night ferry at one point. I'm probably single occupancy for hotels.  We can consider planning over a beer on Wednesday ;)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 30, 2018, 12:48:53 pm
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....

Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam  :o  ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM

The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!

Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on July 30, 2018, 02:38:22 pm
Nice work Bungle  :thumbsup:

I need to decide on a Tues or Wed departure.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: mmmmartin on July 30, 2018, 03:56:11 pm
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
I know that McDonald's, and it really is worth a visit.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 30, 2018, 04:19:18 pm
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
I know that McDonald's, and it really is worth a visit.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on July 30, 2018, 10:14:51 pm
Working on the 200km right now, and current plans include Belgium (just)...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on July 31, 2018, 05:13:53 am
Working on the 200km right now, and current plans include Belgium (just)...

Sounds good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on July 31, 2018, 09:05:14 am
I haven't really been paying attention up to now.  Are some of you getting the overnight boat on Friday 14th?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on July 31, 2018, 11:13:09 am
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....

Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam  :o Hotel to be located...)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM

The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!

Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...

Right - I've booked my rooms at the Campanile for teh above locations (Breda, Hertogenbosh and Amersfoort)

As happened when I stayed in Zaandam in Sept 2015, hotels are being booked up quickly (its overflow for Amsterdam).  I think last time I ended up in Wormer(veer) which was lovely (a whole different type of windmill) but even they are booking up quickly...

There's 7 rooms left at the Ibis Budget in Zaandam about 3km out of the centre, so a fair trek (perhaps eat first then hotel?)
Not many left in Wormer
Haarlem is very expensive and quite booked up also...

Or we could split the Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday route somewhere different (though we would miss out on Amsterdam madness cycling through it and the windmills NW of there.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on July 31, 2018, 12:34:53 pm
I haven't really been paying attention up to now.  Are some of you getting the overnight boat on Friday 14th?

Indeed that is the plan.

I can give you a synopsis tomorrow.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on July 31, 2018, 12:51:19 pm
I can give you a synopsis tomorrow.

Right ho.  I will pack lube and rubber gloves, you will be gentle won't you?  :-X
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on July 31, 2018, 01:01:09 pm
I can give you a synopsis tomorrow.

Right ho.  I will pack lube and rubber gloves, you will be gentle won't you?  :-X

That sounds like a Carlos task. I'll just give you a synopsis  :)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 02, 2018, 02:42:27 pm
Just a quick reminder to check your EHIC cards are still valid or that you can actually find them  :facepalm:

I've just ordered a replacement, 7 to 10 business days they say for delivery - so if you can't find yours might be a good idea to get a replacement ordered...


I fully expect to find mine tomorrow in the place I actually last left it and still haven't looked in yet - this of course will be different from where I usually leave it  :facepalm:

https://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/EHIC/Pages/about-the-ehic.aspx
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 02, 2018, 02:56:07 pm
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....

Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam  :o  ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM

The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!

Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...

So appears ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam is the hotel of choice here.... I've put in a flex booking with breakfast.  Booking.com is still showing 7 rooms left (which is what it said on Monday this week, and I think Ted has said he has already booked one since then!)

If you have an Accor hotels logon then the 'members rate' for flex with breakfast is £73 (booking.com is showing the same deal as £80)

https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-7815-ibis-budget-amsterdam-zaandam/index.shtml


Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 02, 2018, 03:23:07 pm
I've just booked the Campanile in Breda for Saturday 15th September.  I'm now off to book some decent weather and the ferry.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on August 02, 2018, 03:39:00 pm
We're going to go the Friday night to come back on the Wed night ferry for the slow coast home on Thurs. So taking the week off although my boss doesn't know this yet...

Just booked Breda and Ibis Amsterdam Zaandam.
Now to do the others and the ferry.



Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 02, 2018, 03:40:33 pm
I've just booked the Campanile in Breda for Saturday 15th September.  I'm now off to book some decent weather and the ferry.

Ferry booked.  I'm coming back on Sunday night.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on August 02, 2018, 03:46:42 pm
I make that 13 of us  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on August 02, 2018, 04:03:05 pm
Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 02, 2018, 04:26:10 pm
Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.

A cabin is mandatory for the night crossing, and that price looks about right. As you go through the booking you’ll be able to select cabin preference, breakfast etc.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on August 02, 2018, 04:51:05 pm
Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.

A cabin is mandatory for the night crossing, and that price looks about right. As you go through the booking you’ll be able to select cabin preference, breakfast etc.


Thanks Andrew. Got it.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on August 02, 2018, 05:38:26 pm
Ferry booked  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on August 02, 2018, 06:30:07 pm
Worth booking breakfast as it is £5 more expensive each on the day :thumbsup:

Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on August 02, 2018, 06:37:40 pm
So are we booking 3 nights at the Breda Campanile hotel?

OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....

Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam  :o  ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM

The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!

Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on August 02, 2018, 07:04:04 pm
Worth booking breakfast as it is £5 more expensive each on the day :thumbsup:

Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.

Yes. Breakfast booked with tickets.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 02, 2018, 07:19:59 pm
So are we booking 3 nights at the Breda Campanile hotel?

OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....

Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam  :o  ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM

The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!

Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
At the campanile hotel in those 3 locations
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 05, 2018, 05:11:39 pm
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....

Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam  :o  ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM

The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!

Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...

So after speaking to a few this week, I realised I hadn't shared much in the way of route details.  Still a little in flux so rather than chuck a GPX at you, here's an overview map. 

(https://images2.imgbox.com/6f/d6/1cxDsxB7_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/1cxDsxB7)
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/32/SIyQYHeS_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/SIyQYHeS)

Two versions of the final day (Wednesday), one with and one without windmills.  These are very different to the kinderdijk ones as these are "industrial" ones rather than water pumps, by industrial I don't mean they are ugly, just they were used for driving tools rather than pumping water.  The windmills add about 11km on to the route for the final dutch day. 

I must add some credit here to mmmmartin and Gordon Parker for the hard work they have done in the past for The Fridays Tour, Wednesday is pretty much their route and some of the previous days steal bits from some of their other routes around Netherlands

Monday and Tuesday are 2 short days at the moment but I haven't looked at refreshment stops yet, so that might add to the distance if there is something interesting to route to... happy to hear any suggestions from seasoned dutch travellers for interesting or quirky options for lunch/coffee/beer stops....
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on August 05, 2018, 06:41:15 pm
The Straggler said he could probably do an extra couple of days if the transport could be sorted out.

I think he said he was bunking up with Psyclist so that might make life a bit complicated.

Jiber, you haven't told us what the weather will be like  :P
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 05, 2018, 07:19:14 pm
The Straggler said he could probably do an extra couple of days if the transport could be sorted out.

I think he said he was bunking up with Psyclist so that might make life a bit complicated.

I could look into cancelling the ferry booking and letting the Straggler book independently. Shall I proceed and do that?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on August 05, 2018, 07:59:33 pm
Better check with the Welsh Wizard direct.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: the straggler on August 05, 2018, 08:08:23 pm
The Straggler said he could probably do an extra couple of days if the transport could be sorted out.

I think he said he was bunking up with Psyclist so that might make life a bit complicated.

I could look into cancelling the ferry booking and letting the Straggler book independently. Shall I proceed and do that?

No, don't cancel my ferry Booking. It was Ted trying to deviously coax me in after I have just finished my tiring R+R ride, on a hot day which had an effect in impairing my judgement.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 06, 2018, 09:12:03 am

(https://images2.imgbox.com/6f/d6/1cxDsxB7_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/1cxDsxB7)
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/32/SIyQYHeS_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/SIyQYHeS)


As usual I'm confused.  Which bit is the 200k to Breda?  i.e. the Saturday ride?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 06, 2018, 09:49:32 am
That would be the bit that isn't there Steve but it goes from Hoek to Breda across what look like islands on the bottom left of the map. 

The team are still working on it in the background, sounds like there might be 2 versions (depending on wind direction / weather potentially) so still being finalised
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 06, 2018, 10:15:59 am
Okay, that makes sense now.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 22, 2018, 12:25:35 pm
How's it going with routes for Saturday?  I ask as I'm not sure I can summon up the enthusiasm for the full 200k experience so might devise a "turn left" option as I'm sure Breda has some lovely bars which might require a detailed examination.  That said, on the day I might get a sudden rush of blood to the head and decide to do 200k after all.  I suppose what I'm saying is I'd like some options.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on August 22, 2018, 01:19:06 pm
How's it going with routes for Saturday?  I ask as I'm not sure I can summon up the enthusiasm for the full 200k experience so might devise a "turn left" option as I'm sure Breda has some lovely bars which might require a detailed examination.  That said, on the day I might get a sudden rush of blood to the head and decide to do 200k after all.  I suppose what I'm saying is I'd like some options.

I'm somewhat worried about my ability to complete 200km at the moment... I will be attempting it, but am going to be bearing "turn left" in mind.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 22, 2018, 01:24:14 pm
Team Turn Left rides again  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 22, 2018, 01:40:19 pm
Here's a 85ish KM route from Breda to Hoek which you could reverse (you will need to use the big bridge rather than the ferry Numansgors to Willemstad )  Willemstad is a lovely place for lunch - we were there last year on the way back on ACME Goes Dutch

https://www.strava.com/activities/1075765702

Big bridge route contained in this route:

https://www.strava.com/activities/1189024411
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 22, 2018, 01:48:55 pm
We’ve got 2 options currently, both 200. These need a small amount of refinement. I’ll see if I can get these out in draft mode tomorrow, to aid turn left options.

The 2 options are A and B, with B the backup plan in case the wind makes option A unattractive. Aim is to make that decision by the Tuesday beforehand.

There’s also the possibility of an option C, but let’s keep that to one side for now.

Also need to get the Sunday route prepared for those looking for a gentle pedal back to the Sunday night ferry.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 22, 2018, 01:50:02 pm
I'd like to have a look at the official Hoek to Breda 200k route before deciding on any Plan B options.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 22, 2018, 02:04:51 pm
Indeed. Wait until tomorrow ... or I can explain in English this evening, rereading what I wrote above is perhaps slightly convoluted
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 22, 2018, 02:14:01 pm
Indeed. Wait until tomorrow ... or I can explain in English this evening, rereading what I wrote above is perhaps slightly convoluted

But you do convoluted so well, its what we like most about you  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 24, 2018, 04:49:55 pm
So here's the indicative details for the post-audax tour.... We probably need a bit of a roll call as if theres 14 of us, cafe's might start to be a problem - so we might steal an idea from the Fridays and have a central meeting point that everyone agrees to be back at in an hour for example...

Routes almost finished, some final fettling to be done but other than that it will give you an idea of what's what... I've scouted for some interesting bits (Best MCD's you'll ever visit plus castles, disused airfields, windmills).
Indicative routes here: https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018#routes/28206964/preview

(You will also find Carolines two Audax draft routes on there as well)

I've not completed an itinerary for each day yet (to workout what time we should leave the hotel) but it is likely to be quite relaxed and might involve some additional hydration stops subject to weather... I've based it around 11's, lunch and tea (beer?).

Sunday - Breda to s-Hertogenbosch 96km
(there might be some dusty tracks on this 25c OK)

Start: Hotel Restaurant Campanile Breda, Breda
11’s probably Baarl (25km)
Lunch Hilvarenbeek (44km)
Tea stop Best McDs (65km)
Finish: Hotel Restaurant Campanile Hertogenbosch, 's Hertogenbosch

Monday - s-Hertogenbosch to Amersfoort (78km)
Lot of closed placed on Monday!

Start: Hotel Restaurant Campanile Hertogenbosch, 's Hertogenbosch
11s Marktplein Geldermalsen, Netherlands (24km)
Lunch Wijk bij Duurstede (‘t Terras?) (38km)
Tea Zeist (58km)
Finish:Hotel Restaurant Campanile Amersfoort, Amersfoort

Tuesday – Amerfoort to Zandam (67km)
(More fortifications!)

Start: Hotel Restaurant Campanile Amersfoort, Amersfoort
11s Laren (24km)
Lunch Haveneiland-West Lunch (47km)
Tea TBC Somewhere on the outskirts of 'dam
Finish: ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam, Zaandam

Wednesday – Zaandam to Hoek (101km or 114km)
Optional Windmills (adds 12km to route - but worth it IMHO, bit like Kinderdijk but different type of use)

Start: ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam, Zaandam
11s (/ Brunch?) Bloemendaal (21km/33km)
Lunch Scheveningen (73km)
Tea (TBC but hopefully within 10km or so of the ferry)
Finish: Hoek Ferry

The small print, just as a reminder: This is not a formal ride or tour under the auspices of any club. We will be just a bunch of friends on a ride together and my role will be simply to guide you round a route. As such, you will be riding under your own insurance, responsible for all your own accommodation, welfare and subsistence arrangements etc..  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 24, 2018, 05:01:01 pm
The small print, just as a reminder: This is not a formal ride or tour under the auspices of any club. We will be just a bunch of friends on a ride together and my role will be simply to guide you round a route. As such, you will be riding under your own insurance, responsible for all your own accommodation, welfare and subsistence arrangements etc..  :thumbsup:

Oh, I was banking on you being my Appropriate Adult jibers.  Disappointed I am.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 24, 2018, 05:11:26 pm
The small print, just as a reminder: This is not a formal ride or tour under the auspices of any club. We will be just a bunch of friends on a ride together and my role will be simply to guide you round a route. As such, you will be riding under your own insurance, responsible for all your own accommodation, welfare and subsistence arrangements etc..  :thumbsup:

Oh, I was banking on you being my Appropriate Adult jibers.  Disappointed I am.

 :-*  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on August 24, 2018, 05:26:00 pm
Disappointed I am.

Why have Yoda you turned into ?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 30, 2018, 12:53:35 pm
3 weeks to go. It feels like a good time to get some organising done.

Firstly, who is going? Tedshred counted 13, but I’m only able to identify 10 off the top of my head. If you are not in the following list and are going, could you please shout?

jiberjaber, grey sheep, the straggler, bhoot+1, oscar’s dad, oaky, huggy, tedshred, psyclist

Secondly, last year we had a pleasant meal in Waterfront at Dovercourt. I’m happy to book a table if people want to eat there again. 7pm feels about right, or 7:30pm. Alternatively, we could meet for a drink somewhere and eat on the ferry. That would mean eating quite late though. I’d prefer to eat early.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on August 30, 2018, 01:05:24 pm
3 weeks to go. It feels like a good time to get some organising done.

Firstly, who is going? Tedshred counted 13, but I’m only able to identify 10 off the top of my head. If you are not in the following list and are going, could you please shout?

jiberjaber, grey sheep, the straggler, bhoot+1, oscar’s dad, oaky, huggy, tedshred, psyclist

Secondly, last year we had a pleasant meal in Waterfront at Dovercourt. I’m happy to book a table if people want to eat there again. 7pm feels about right, or 7:30pm. Alternatively, we could meet for a drink somewhere and eat on the ferry. That would mean eating quite late though. I’d prefer to eat early.
4 not on the list are Jem & the Lynx, Chris & Pat (planning on just riding to the Saturday night hotel and returning Sunday)

I'm up for repeating the Harwich eating experience.  Plan A is to meet in Witham 'spoons for lunch then ride to Harwich, probably via a rehydration opportunity, then evening meal in Harwich before boarding the ferry.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on August 30, 2018, 01:24:21 pm
I will get to Dovercourt.

BTW, where's the definitive 200k route for Saturday?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: the straggler on August 30, 2018, 01:30:37 pm
Arriving at Dovercourt 7.00-7.30pm by train straight after work works best for me. Any earlier I will struggle to arrive on time and would like to avoid having to book 1/2 day leave.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on August 30, 2018, 01:39:55 pm

BTW, where's the definitive 200k route for Saturday?

jiberjaber posted the link to options A and B above. Unless the weather dictates otherwise, option A will be the one we’ll follow. Don’t download the route just yet though, as minor tweaks may be made.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: farfetched on August 30, 2018, 02:55:05 pm

Routes almost finished, some final fettling to be done but other than that it will give you an idea of what's what... I've scouted for some interesting bits (Best MCD's you'll ever visit plus castles, disused airfields, windmills).
Indicative routes here: https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018#routes/28206964/preview


I've been following your thread here on and off for a couple of weeks and as i live here in NL
i have to pose the question, what's so special about the McDonalds in Best (or is it the name) ? They are all the same, aren't they ???


Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 30, 2018, 10:14:08 pm
You have to visit to find out (if you know, please don't spoil it :) Let me know if you want to know via PM )

Fancy joining us?

Routes almost finished, some final fettling to be done but other than that it will give you an idea of what's what... I've scouted for some interesting bits (Best MCD's you'll ever visit plus castles, disused airfields, windmills).
Indicative routes here: https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018#routes/28206964/preview


I've been following your thread here on and off for a couple of weeks and as i live here in NL
i have to pose the question, what's so special about the McDonalds in Best (or is it the name) ? They are all the same, aren't they ???
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on August 31, 2018, 09:01:57 am
Secondly, last year we had a pleasant meal in Waterfront at Dovercourt. I’m happy to book a table if people want to eat there again. 7pm feels about right, or 7:30pm. Alternatively, we could meet for a drink somewhere and eat on the ferry. That would mean eating quite late though. I’d prefer to eat early.
We're up for eating in Harwich and probably meeting up en route, last time we had a pleasant refreshment interlude at Wivenhoe I seem to remember.

So here's the indicative details for the post-audax tour.... We probably need a bit of a roll call
We are out of the post audax tour now - we are cycling down to Germany and have now made a booking to return by train from there... Looks like we can get a 5 country tour with NL, Belgium, Luxembourg, France and Germany!
I do have a booking for the first night at 's Hertogenbosch which I can cancel, but let me know if others are struggling to get a booking there and I can see if I can keep it and pass it on.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on August 31, 2018, 09:07:49 am
Please count me in for the dining experience again - most pleasant last time, as was the pub stop half way.

Maybe we can really impress the lady in Wivenhoe again by walking on her "no cycles" path?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on August 31, 2018, 04:02:52 pm
Ok, 'spoons lunch and then same route as last time to Harwich via Wivenhoe. Theres a community pub in Wivenhoe which I attended their beer festival and it was quite good.... perhaps worthy of a visit this time?


I'll dig out the route when I'm at my final destination.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 01, 2018, 12:09:26 am
Just had a play about with the routes changing the subterranean bus trip for an extra 6km (or thereabouts) of cycling by backtracking from Lillo. Also discovered some potential slight shortcuts, worked out where might be "unsurfaced" (but don't panic, Dutch unsurfaced is not the same as the UK!) and where we needed to re-route as I don't think it was cycle paths.  As bikehike is down I used cycle.travel which was interesting once I got the hang of it.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: farfetched on September 03, 2018, 01:24:30 pm
You have to visit to find out (if you know, please don't spoil it :) Let me know if you want to know via PM )

Fancy joining us?

Thanks for the offer, you're not that far from where i live (Helmond) - but i am out of the country round that period.
My wife updated me on the McDonalds, she gets out more than me ...  ::-) - have a great trip.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 05, 2018, 06:01:13 pm
News update for Saturday 15th Sept

Process for those doing the DIY 200
 - one of us will enter the DIY
 - they will share the reference number
 - all others can then enter their own DIY using the same reference
 - this will then be a group DIY following a mandatory route

I'm aiming to do steps 1 and 2 tomorrow evening, unless anybody thinks there should be a route change.

Friday evening food at Waterfront Dovercourt
I have booked a table for 14 at 7pm, but expect people to arrive between 7 and 7:30pm.
 - if you do not plan to eat there, or cannot make that time, please let me know
 - as we are a large group, the restaurant would like to have food orders in advance
 - could you please PM me, or post here no later than Monday 10th, what you'd like
 - menus can be found at http://www.waterfrontharwich.co.uk/menus/ (http://www.waterfrontharwich.co.uk/menus/)

The route
Thanks to bhoot, jiberjaber and huggy, we have the following route to share
 - https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28530231 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28530231)
 - the route finishes in Lies, from where we can head for somewhere to eat & drink in the vicinity of Breda
 - there are plenty of food/drinking options along the route, I'll share a plan at the beginning of next week


As jiberjaber pointed out, this is not an ACME organised event, just a group of individuals riding together. So please make sure you have adequate insurance and such like.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 05, 2018, 06:26:56 pm
A big thank you to Psyclist, Jibbers, Bhoot, Huggy and everyone else who has contributed to the planning. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I sit in awe :o at the combined knowledge that has resulted in the 200k DIY and the associated day trips.

Cheers

Grey Sheep

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 06, 2018, 10:21:50 am
Good work team!  Thanking you  :-*

Yesterday evening Andrew and I were discussing Sunday options for those who need to get back to the Hoek for the Sunday night ferry.
 I have just used THIS SITE (https://routeplanner.fietsersbond.nl/) to produce THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28537971).  I have no idea what it's like in reality so someone with more Dutch knowledge might like to sanity check it.  Failing that we just give it a go. 

The other option to simply ask Googlemaps on one of our smartphones to give us a cycling route back to the ferry.  This is what Oaky and I did last year when we turned left at Gouda.  I have a Quadlock mount on Fred's stem so just clicked my iPhone on powered off my dynohub.  We found Googlemaps knew all of the cyclepaths and gave us verbal turn-by-turn instructions, proper clever it was.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on September 06, 2018, 10:56:55 am
A big thank you to Psyclist, Jibbers, Bhoot, Huggy and everyone else who has contributed to the planning. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I sit in awe :o at the combined knowledge that has resulted in the 200k DIY and the associated day trips.

Cheers

Grey Sheep

Echoing what Jan says. Thank you all involved.
It'll be my first bike tour. I can't think of any other lunatics responsible adults I'd rather be doing it with.
Really looking forward to it. :)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 06, 2018, 11:00:32 am
We need to find some of those "special" brownies. I've been to the Netherlands a few times recently and never managed to find any. Do they exist or are they a myth?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 06, 2018, 06:27:21 pm
I have just used THIS SITE (https://routeplanner.fietsersbond.nl/) to produce THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28537971).  I have no idea what it's like in reality so someone with more Dutch knowledge might like to sanity check it.  Failing that we just give it a go. 

It looks like you are cycling on water after. Oud Beijerland, the vehicle ferry we all used last time is a bit further west. Beware of being routed via seasonal ferries when it isn't the season!
It also seems to end up somewhere round the back of Albert Heijns not at the boat but I am sure you can sort that out.
I could also suggest a route via a self winding ferry as I am sure you would like that...but that would mean going through the Benelux tunnel to Vlaardingen before heading north west to Hoek.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 06, 2018, 06:30:56 pm
I also feel I should point out that it will be "ACME goes Dutch and a little bit Belgian", however the border crossings will be very painless thanks to that wonderful thing called Schengen.
Apologies to the eagle-eyed who had already spotted this.

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 06, 2018, 07:00:10 pm
I also feel I should point out that it will be "ACME goes Dutch and a little bit Belgian"

I'll need to remember to wear my ACME coloured Belgium socks then  :)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 06, 2018, 08:57:27 pm

Process for those doing the DIY 200
 - one of us will enter the DIY
 - they will share the reference number
 - all others can then enter their own DIY using the same reference
 - this will then be a group DIY following a mandatory route

I'm aiming to do steps 1 and 2 tomorrow evening, unless anybody thinks there should be a route change.

I have completed steps 1 and 2. The DIY Event ID that you need to quote on your entry is 10295. I have forewarned Paul, and I would guess you will need to enter the ID in the notes box on the AUK mandatory route DIY page.

Don't forget to enter this as a mandatory route DIY. Obviously you only need to enter if you're planning on claiming the points.

For your reference, the other details on the entry form that I used are:

DIY Organiser: Paul Stewart
Points distance: 200km
Start date: 15/09/2018
Start control: Hoek Van Holland
Total distance: 207km
List of controls:
  Antwerpen
  Bergen op Zoom
  Lies
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 07, 2018, 07:22:36 am
Oops, I had the wrong event ID previously. Now corrected in the post above. To confirm, the correct entry ID that Paul needs is 10295
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 10:18:57 am
... I could also suggest a route via a self winding ferry as I am sure you would like that...but that would mean going through the Benelux tunnel to Vlaardingen before heading north west to Hoek.

Yes please!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 10:28:15 am

Process for those doing the DIY 200
 - one of us will enter the DIY
 - they will share the reference number
 - all others can then enter their own DIY using the same reference
 - this will then be a group DIY following a mandatory route

I'm aiming to do steps 1 and 2 tomorrow evening, unless anybody thinks there should be a route change.

I have completed steps 1 and 2. The DIY Event ID that you need to quote on your entry is 10295. I have forewarned Paul, and I would guess you will need to enter the ID in the notes box on the AUK mandatory route DIY page.

Don't forget to enter this as a mandatory route DIY. Obviously you only need to enter if you're planning on claiming the points.

For your reference, the other details on the entry form that I used are:

DIY Organiser: Paul Stewart
Points distance: 200km
Start date: 15/09/2018
Start control: Hoek Van Holland
Total distance: 207km
List of controls:
  Antwerpen
  Bergen op Zoom
  Lies

[Groan] I've just remembered, this is another reason I don't do many audaxes, too much admin!  I appreciate we can only submit our gpx track after the ride but what do we need to do beforehand?  And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on September 07, 2018, 11:14:50 am
And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???

Because he's too busy helping me with my Bl&%dy Garmin and a million tracks for the Flatlands that I am really NOT looking forward to.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 11:24:44 am
And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???

Because he's too busy helping me with my Bl&%dy Garmin and a million tracks for the Flatlands that I am really NOT looking forward to.

I shall be thinking of you all as we enjoy the delights of Cambridge and the comfort of our caravan  :smug:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 07, 2018, 11:44:26 am
I thought your route guidance system was to follow the Lynx's arse!
And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???

Because he's too busy helping me with my Bl&%dy Garmin and a million tracks for the Flatlands that I am really NOT looking forward to.

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Manotea on September 07, 2018, 12:18:20 pm
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the advisory entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records. [I've updated my 'note to group orgs to pass this on. ]

*I'm depending on you knowing that bit...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 12:34:53 pm
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the *advisory* entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records.

*I'm depending on you knowing that...

Thanks for the advice Paul, I think I've completely fooked up my entry successfully entered and hopefully something has popped up at your end.  In the real world I'm Steve Rowley  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 07, 2018, 01:54:07 pm
Sorry Paul, I also manged to get it wrong :facepalm:
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the *advisory* entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records.

*I'm depending on you knowing that...

Thanks for the advice Paul, I think I've completely fooked up my entry successfully entered and hopefully something has popped up at your end.  In the real world I'm Steve Rowley  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 02:00:53 pm
Should the need to turn left arise  THIS CHEEKY ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28546760) might suffice  ;D  You will note it turns left off the official route then rejoins it.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 07, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
Sorry Paul, I also manged to get it wrong

He has your entry lined up, I had a confirming email earlier.

I’ve also learnt a bit about group DIYs today, or rather the entry process.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 07, 2018, 03:46:15 pm
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the *advisory* entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records.

*I'm depending on you knowing that...

Thanks for the advice Paul, I think I've completely fooked up my entry successfully entered and hopefully something has popped up at your end.  In the real world I'm Steve Rowley  :thumbsup:


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o You've entered a 200km Audax!  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 03:50:39 pm
Entering is one thing, completing it is another. Remember the last time I entered and started a 200k audax?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 07, 2018, 03:54:47 pm
Entering is one thing, completing it is another. Remember the last time I entered and started a 200k audax?
Yes, but can't remember the last time you validated one  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 07, 2018, 03:58:23 pm
2015 probably.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 07, 2018, 04:53:59 pm
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the advisory entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records. [I've updated my 'note to group orgs to pass this on. ]

*I'm depending on you knowing that bit...

So, to make sure I've got this right and to recap/combine the information in Manotea and Psyclist's posts

Use the advisory route form (not the mandatory)

Put in the following on the form:
Code: [Select]
DIY Organiser: Paul Stewart
Points distance: 200km
Start date: 15/09/2018
Start control: Hoek Van Holland
Total distance: 207km

Put in your DIYSE number into the start and finish controls

Put Psyclist's code (10295) in the Notes field

Correct?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Pingu on September 07, 2018, 05:13:18 pm
This is in Baarle Hertog  :P: http://www.dedochtervandekorenaar.be/?lang=en
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 07, 2018, 05:43:19 pm
Submitted my Advisory DIY by GPS perm entry.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 07, 2018, 06:49:43 pm
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the advisory entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records. [I've updated my 'note to group orgs to pass this on. ]

*I'm depending on you knowing that bit...

So, to make sure I've got this right and to recap/combine the information in Manotea and Psyclist's posts

I think Manotea's instructions supersede mine, so you just need to follow his instructions and include only the start and end destination. Plus include DIYSE Brevet number.

I've had confirmation that OD, Grey Sheep and Huggy have successfully entered so far.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 07, 2018, 08:16:35 pm
Well, this is exciting.  Looking back, I seem to have managed a mix of Walken's original instructions and Manotea's (almost) idiot proof guide.



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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 07, 2018, 08:35:23 pm
I'm still confused... I guess it's because there must be two numbers required, and I'm not sure which one is being referred to in the two sets of instructions...  I presumably need to put my own, previously puchased, DIYSE number in there somewhere (I still have one left over from my last batch of three, If my records are correct). I'm assuming this is the one that goes in the first/last controls as per Manotea's instructions.  I also presume we need the brevet number from psyclist's entry (10295), which I guess goes in the notes?

Or is it the other way round?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 10, 2018, 08:20:12 pm
Now entered... I didn't even have to fill in the form as I asked Manotea if I could use an old pending brevet and back came the mail confirming my entry for AT3407-10295 (thanks Paul).

How many are we up to now?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 10, 2018, 09:43:45 pm
I also managed to enter and have my reassuring confirmation :)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 10, 2018, 11:53:46 pm
This is in Baarle Hertog  :P: http://www.dedochtervandekorenaar.be/?lang=en

 :thumbsup: Unfortunately, closed when we roll through on Sunday  :facepalm:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 10, 2018, 11:54:27 pm
I think I've entered...  ???
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 11, 2018, 04:46:27 am
A final few things

We have 14 people going at the last count, which is excellent.

For the Friday evening food at the Waterfront in Dovercourt (7pm for a 7:30pm start), I will be sending the food order to them at the end of tomorrow, so if you haven't yet ordered please let me know what you fancy from the menu ... http://www.waterfrontharwich.co.uk/menus/ (http://www.waterfrontharwich.co.uk/menus/)

Those who have not yet ordered their food (or I've missed the order, so please remind me):
* jiberjaber
* grey sheep
* the straggler
* huggy
* Chris
* Pat

I've had confirmation of a few people entering the brevet:
* bhoot + 1
* ted
* oaky
* huggy
* oaky
* oscar's dad
* grey sheep
* psyclist

@jiberjaber, I may receive your confirmation late this morning, as you didn't enter until late last night

The following food stop information has been put together by bhoot (thank you very much). These are only options. As we are a big group, it would be good to all start together, but I expect at least after the first stop we'll be split into smaller groups. Please do look out for each other though, to ensure nobody is left on their lonesome.

* 48km - Middelharnis
   * Croissy (they do an excellent apple tart!)
      * probably be OK for a group of our size - as long as we divide up into smaller groups at tables… it won’t be McD’s speed but shouldn’t be mega slow either
      * also other options very close so we could potentially divide the group between 2 places
   * Albert Heijn, etc
* 83km - Tholen
   * Albert Heijn
   * EetcafÈ Hart van Tholen (on square, good outside seating)
   * EetcafÈ The Sixties B.V.(looks cheaper)
   * Broodjes & Zo (sandwich shop)
   * Cafetaria De Smulhoek (kebabs)
* 117km - Lillo
   * maybe quick beer or late lunch
   * Taverne 't Pleintje
   * Het Landshuis
* 148km - Putte
   * possible beer/food
* 166km - Bergen Op Zoom Waterfront
   * Saus (nice restaurant/bar,could be a bit slow and pricey but we had really good soup at lunchtime)
   * MacDonalds
   * http://www.hetstrandhuys.nu/ (http://www.hetstrandhuys.nu/) (very near to McDs) looks promising - equivalent of the Fat Mermaid last year in fact with reasonable priced burgers etc
   * Jumbo supermarket just before
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 11, 2018, 07:25:16 am
One addendum.

Last year we almost exclusively rode on cycle paths. I don’t think anybody was wearing a helmet. This is obviously a personal choice, but don’t be surprised if a few more riders than normal have ditched their magic hats for a few days.

I’ll be at the Three Elms tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2018, 11:04:04 am
For those of us returning via the Hoek / Harwich furry on Sunday night / Monday morning I offer this REVISED ROUTE FROM BREDA (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28537971) which is based on intelligence extracted from bhoot.  The revisions include Vlaardingen which apparently is very nice and a hand powered ferry north of V'dingen.

DISCLAIMER: I haven't the faintest idea what this route is like.  According to RwGPS set to cycle route mapping it looks fine but who knows.  If we end up in Lowestoft at least we'll be on the right (left) side of the North Sea - what's the worst...?

Feel free to suggest alternatives or revisions, I won't be upset in the slightest  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 11, 2018, 11:53:52 am
Andrew - Menu options sent.

I've a route to the Ferry from last time.  Suggest we do the local community pub in Wiv when we get there... nice to support them and it's a better pub than the other GK one however without the views. (Black Buoy)

Still up to my eyes in work at the moment but will try to give the routes a final review over the next couple of days
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 11, 2018, 12:54:46 pm
What time are we meeting at the 'Spoons ("where all great adventures begin") ? 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 11, 2018, 01:14:44 pm
What time are we meeting at the 'Spoons ("where all great adventures begin") ?
I seem to recall we met from about midday last year for lunch in the warm & sunny beer garden. Don't remember what time we set off, maybe about 2. I know we had plenty of time for a WALK along the river and beer in Wivenhoe before trundling on to Harwich.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 11, 2018, 01:34:01 pm
I should be finished at work by about 12.30 so plenty of time for lunch and an energy drink  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: the straggler on September 11, 2018, 01:59:54 pm
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 11, 2018, 02:06:55 pm
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.

Yes - both
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 11, 2018, 02:12:51 pm
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.

I would imagine you would probably go for travellers cheques being old school as you are  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 11, 2018, 02:20:23 pm
Yes, both.

Visa and mastercard are not so widely accepted in supermarkets, they use Maestro.

Hotels should be fine.
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2018, 02:48:29 pm
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.

Oh yeah, good thinking, better take some foreign money, I'd forgotten about that  ::-)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Dave_C on September 11, 2018, 02:53:16 pm
Yes, both.

Visa and mastercard are not so widely accepted in supermarkets, they use Maestro.

Hotels should be fine.
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.

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I found this in Belgium. Large cycle shop in a provincial town. I wanted a pair of cycle gloves, but they only accepted Maestro. Strange...

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 11, 2018, 03:15:13 pm
Here's a plan for Friday (its based on the route I suggest we follow, which we did last year)


Assemble Witham 'spoons 13:00. 
1.5 hour food window
Leave Witham 'spoons no later than 14:30

It's 36km to Wivenhoe (we avoid Cookswood NCN1 but do use the cyclepaths of Colchester) which is just under 2 hours of riding (1h45 last time - we had a tailwind)
Arrive Wivenhoe (The Black Bouy) for around 16:30ish; (earlier = more beer!) 1 hour of beer, leave Wivenhoe 17:30

Its 28km to Dovercourt so about 1h20m of riding. puts us arriving for dinner at 18:45 which if we leave 2 hours for dinner, gives us time to ride down to the Ferry, check in and await boarding.

It's 4km to the ferry, last year we rode on to the ramp at about 21:20

All the above based on 21kph moving average but might be quicker than that if we have a tailwind.

https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018

Route 000 CHM-HAR AGD18



Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2018, 03:40:20 pm
Alternatively...

Wander down to 'spoons for a spot of lunch, go back home and do some "work", get train to Harwich.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 11, 2018, 03:41:35 pm
Alternatively...

Wander down to 'spoons for a spot of lunch, go back home and do some "work", get train to Harwich.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2018, 03:44:43 pm
Alternatively...

Wander down to 'spoons for a spot of lunch, go back home and do some "work", get train to Harwich.

 :thumbsup:

I'm conserving my energy so perhaps I can amaze psyclist by actually riding my bicycle for a full 200k in ONE DAY!  :o
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 11, 2018, 04:40:56 pm
Back to logistics. jiberjaber has been kind enough to point out a few little challenges with the previous route that might have proved a little problematic. So he has refined the route to avoid the obstacles. The below is therefore the final and to be followed route

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575494 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575494)

I will send this across to Paul to replace the previous version. The changes are minor and don’t impact the overall distance, but we have a much better chance of following the full route.

Oh, and I’m glad OD is up for riding the full distance. It is sure to be a good day awheel, with plenty of time the next day for an even more relaxed dalliance back to the ferry.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2018, 04:57:51 pm
... The below is therefore the final and to be followed route

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575494 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575494)

Oh, and I’m glad OD is up for riding the full distance. It is sure to be a good day awheel...

I'm pleased the revised version doesn't bugger up my evil plan for me and / or Oaky to TURN LEFT if it all gets a bit much  ;D
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 11, 2018, 06:56:37 pm

I've finalised my suggested routes for next week and cobbled up some rough timings and and locations for coffee and scran. 
The only night I haven't thought about is Tuesday as Ted wants to go full on space cadet raving so have left that open at the moment - we may need to pack dancing pants..  :o

My list from this thread indicates:
Sat - Wed Full Experience:
* jiberjaber
* grey sheep
* huggy
* ted
* Jem
* Lynx
(6 riders)


Weekend Warriors:
* Chris
* Pat
* bhoot + 1
* oaky
* oscar's dad
* the straggler
* Psyclist
(8 riders plus the 6 full = 14 riders total for Saturday)

Anyone missing from the list?  ???

I'll PM the link to the outline itinerary to the Full Experience guys.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: the straggler on September 11, 2018, 07:06:10 pm
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.

I would imagine you would probably go for travellers cheques being old school as you are  ;D

OK folks, thanks for your replies. I take the advice from the Legal Expert.  Travellers cheques it is then.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2018, 07:15:49 pm
It’s well known that cheese is legal tender in The Netherlands.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2018, 12:11:22 am
Sooo... just in case some of you haven't worked out where the routes are, they are all here:

https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018

And here's the proposed route from the end of Saturdays Audax to the Hotel (through Breda via the home of the wonderful 3 horseshoes)

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575357
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on September 13, 2018, 10:37:26 am
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.




Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2018, 10:48:15 am
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.

I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on September 13, 2018, 11:04:48 am
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.

I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.

mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all,  or start with the intention of cutting short.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2018, 11:33:02 am
I've just consulted with our GenSec regarding the Sat - Wed Full Experience group plans and I would advise though we might not by full-on raving, some civvies might be a good idea.... so I'll probably pack a pair of something....  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 13, 2018, 12:34:24 pm
Sunday Options for Sunday Riders

For those ambling back to Hoek on the Sunday we have 2 options. I would suggest we take both routes, then decide on the day. Again courtesy of bhoot and jiberjaber we have:

Option A - 93km - [Weekend Warriors Sunday A - A bike ride in Breda, Noord-Brabant](https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585468?privacy_code=J8wkVRo6WgqwIk3U (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585468?privacy_code=J8wkVRo6WgqwIk3U))
Highlights :
22km - coffee at Proost cafe
38km - lunch in Williamstad - lovely restaurant with outdoor seating
80km - dinner at Maassluis - Smaak & Meer - pizza and craft beer

Option B - 127km - [Weekend Warriors Sunday B - A bike ride in Breda, Noord-Brabant](https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585518?privacy_code=iWuQuWMeyJ7bZXB4 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585518?privacy_code=iWuQuWMeyJ7bZXB4))
Highlights:
22km - coffee at Proost cafe
38km - lunch in Williamstad - lovely restaurant with outdoor seating
115km - dinner at Maassluis - Smaak & Meer - pizza and craft beer

Probably something midway between lunch and dinner on option B. I’ll take a look later.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 13, 2018, 12:36:00 pm
I've just consulted with our GenSec regarding the Sat - Wed Full Experience group plans and I would advise though we might not by full-on raving, some civvies might be a good idea.... so I'll probably pack a pair of something....  :thumbsup:
The golden thong of ambition??!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oaky on September 13, 2018, 01:04:20 pm
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.

I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.

mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all,  or start with the intention of cutting short.

Team "Turn Left" potentially growing.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2018, 01:10:08 pm
Sunday Options for Sunday Riders

For those ambling back to Hoek on the Sunday we have 2 options. I would suggest we take both routes, then decide on the day. Again courtesy of bhoot and jiberjaber we have:

Option A - 93km - [Weekend Warriors Sunday A - A bike ride in Breda, Noord-Brabant](https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585468?privacy_code=J8wkVRo6WgqwIk3U (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585468?privacy_code=J8wkVRo6WgqwIk3U))
Highlights :
22km - coffee at Proost cafe
38km - lunch in Williamstad - lovely restaurant with outdoor seating
80km - dinner at Maassluis - Smaak & Meer - pizza and craft beer

Option B - 127km - [Weekend Warriors Sunday B - A bike ride in Breda, Noord-Brabant](https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585518?privacy_code=iWuQuWMeyJ7bZXB4 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585518?privacy_code=iWuQuWMeyJ7bZXB4))
Highlights:
22km - coffee at Proost cafe
38km - lunch in Williamstad - lovely restaurant with outdoor seating
115km - dinner at Maassluis - Smaak & Meer - pizza and craft beer


Probably something midway between lunch and dinner on option B. I’ll take a look later.

Can I just point out, there's no fookin' way I'm riding 79 miles on Sunday, 56 miles is more than adequate.  Happy to go it alone if needs be.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2018, 01:12:50 pm
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.

I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.

mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all,  or start with the intention of cutting short.

Team "Turn Left" potentially growing.

I think we might need to make this happen.  Think of the possibilities the extra time off the bike will afford us: beer, cheese, bitter balls, beer (did I mention beer already?), "special" brownies...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2018, 01:17:47 pm
Mind you, looking at the "official" route, perhaps turning left after the big water crossing might be betterer.  There's a cyclepath along side A58.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 13, 2018, 02:05:37 pm
I think we might need to make this happen.

Crikey. In the space of 12 hours I've not seen such a 'flip-flop', 'u-turn' or 'backflip'. It couldn't have been you that said "you turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning".

But it does make logistics somewhat easier if we know there's a small group planning on a diversion. I hope that we are able to enjoy a good long section to begin as a large group, but then if there's a split and we know only those taking the shorter route are drifting back, everybody's mind will be eased.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 13, 2018, 03:01:39 pm
If I make it over there may well be an ACME C peloton (ie me) riding the Audax behind everyone else.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on September 13, 2018, 04:31:20 pm
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.

I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.

mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all,  or start with the intention of cutting short.

Team "Turn Left" potentially growing.

I think we might need to make this happen.  Think of the possibilities the extra time off the bike will afford us: beer, cheese, bitter balls, beer (did I mention beer already?), "special" brownies...

Yes please!! ;D :thumbsup:
I'm on holiday - not boot camp  ;)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2018, 04:55:51 pm
Weather looking good for Friday and Saturday - time to change of course but might be a tailwind for the first 130km!  :thumbsup:

(https://images2.imgbox.com/d3/da/6XgTvVnk_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/6XgTvVnk)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 13, 2018, 04:56:45 pm
Right then, Team Turn Left is officially a thing. Shame we haven’t got time to organise cycling jerseys.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Manotea on September 13, 2018, 05:15:48 pm
Just don't get out of the boat (https://www.youtube.com/embed/_4dFDBYWuTc)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2018, 05:22:30 pm
Just don't get out of the boat (https://www.youtube.com/embed/_4dFDBYWuTc)


...but Charlie Don't Surf (https://youtu.be/uU9Y1sNs1rs)

Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 13, 2018, 05:25:46 pm

Following on from my confessions last night...  (https://youtu.be/8hJ1HDcMowk?t=8s)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 13, 2018, 06:28:33 pm
Aha, some things make a bit more sense now
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 13, 2018, 07:17:41 pm
Right then, Team Turn Left is officially a thing. Shame we haven’t got time to organise cycling jerseys.

Are you actually going to bother bringing bicycles?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2018, 05:43:59 am
Right then, Team Turn Left is officially a thing. Shame we haven’t got time to organise cycling jerseys.

Are you actually going to bother bringing bicycles?

Don't get too smug, you're on the team as well.  I have been communicating with your handler.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 14, 2018, 07:28:38 am
Here's a plan for Friday (its based on the route I suggest we follow, which we did last year)


Assemble Witham 'spoons 13:00. 
1.5 hour food window
Leave Witham 'spoons no later than 14:30

It's 36km to Wivenhoe (we avoid Cookswood NCN1 but do use the cyclepaths of Colchester) which is just under 2 hours of riding (1h45 last time - we had a tailwind)
Arrive Wivenhoe (The Black Bouy) for around 16:30ish; (earlier = more beer!) 1 hour of beer, leave Wivenhoe 17:30

I will be intercepting at Wivenhoe. I'll get there just after 4pm.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2018, 08:27:06 am
This post will be of interest to anyone considering TURNING LEFT tomorrow...

The official 200k audax route including the transit from the end of the route to the hotel in Breda is 135.4 miles.  The unofficial TURN LEFT OPTION (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28593928) right to the door of the hotel is 98.5 miles, a saving of 36.9 miles which I conservatively estimate will afford us an extra couple of hours or more for cultural experiences of a Dutch nature.

The above mentioned turn left option includes much of the original route but skips the willy shaped loop down towards Antwerp.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 14, 2018, 11:12:02 am
This post will be of interest to anyone considering TURNING LEFT tomorrow...

The official 200k audax route including the transit from the end of the route to the hotel in Breda is 135.4 miles.  The unofficial TURN LEFT OPTION (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28593928) right to the door of the hotel is 98.5 miles, a saving of 36.9 miles which I conservatively estimate will afford us an extra couple of hours or more for cultural experiences of a Dutch nature.

The above mentioned turn left option includes much of the original route but skips the willy shaped loop down towards Antwerp.

Crikey, that's an 18 mile long Dutch willy :o
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2018, 11:22:23 am
This post will be of interest to anyone considering TURNING LEFT tomorrow...

The official 200k audax route including the transit from the end of the route to the hotel in Breda is 135.4 miles.  The unofficial TURN LEFT OPTION (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28593928) right to the door of the hotel is 98.5 miles, a saving of 36.9 miles which I conservatively estimate will afford us an extra couple of hours or more for cultural experiences of a Dutch nature.

The above mentioned turn left option includes much of the original route but skips the willy shaped loop down towards Antwerp.

Crikey, that's an 18 mile long Dutch willy :o

You can't be jealous, surely?   :o  After all, you're The Lynx!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: huggy on September 14, 2018, 11:44:26 am
Just about ready to go, see you at 'spoons soon  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Nik's Nick on September 14, 2018, 01:58:03 pm
Have fun! Really rather jealous...
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 14, 2018, 03:21:52 pm
My handler and I are just setting off for the Black Buoy. See you all after 4pm :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 14, 2018, 10:20:27 pm
We are all aboard !

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Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Pingu on September 14, 2018, 11:48:16 pm
Have fun! Really rather jealous...

Me too!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 18, 2018, 12:42:02 pm
Having got off the ferry early yesterday morning and gone straight into the office in London via OD's Towers to shave and get changed this is the first opportunity I've had to report back on the weekend... it was fab!  I mustn't go on before thanking the organising committee of bhoot, jibers and psyclist.  Plus I must thank the rest of the peloton for their exemplary and highly amusing company, much love to you all  :-*

On Saturday Oaky and I accidentally found ourselves on an audax which we'd even taken the trouble to enter  ::-)  However, Team Turn Left did; actually it more a matter of carrying on whilst the rest of the gang turned right.  We cut across the neck of the willy shaped leg of the official route rejoining before the delightfully named Bergen op Zoom where we stopped for beer and ice cream. 

What followed was an ordeal, there is no better word.  Being fine athletes at the top of their game its essential that we stop for beer every 10 to 15 miles.  We identified that the town of Roosendaal, which was on the official audax route, was perfectly placed.  We hadn't appreciated that bhoot had carefully crafted the route to avoid the town centre where you can expect to find bars.  Consequently we rode for miles and miles without a bar in sight, it was like being in a beer free desert.  Finally we happened upon a caravan site with an open bar - we were seconds from expiring.

Breda was a very pleasant ride further up the road and we arrived there in time for some sort of canal based carnival with illuminated boats, one with a brass band on board, a light show and DJ.  The Campanile hotel was fine and we clocked up 102 miles, like I said, me and Oaky are proper athletes.

The next day me, psyclist, Oaky and Straggler headed back to The Hoek following an interesting 60 mile route ridden at a gentlemanly pace.  Psyclist did his best to persuade us not to stop every 10 to 15 miles for beer but failed miserably. 

A few of the many photos I took.  In one of them I am helping Oaky remove his shoe with my penknife...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/30888041958_877d37f4e7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P4thKy)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1852/30888042148_159bf662ca_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P4thNQ)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1856/44039701404_c8022a014a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6CYUC)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1877/29821925377_8e37486382_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mrgarc)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1854/42948396530_00c87b8cc5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28rcKZm)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1878/44709310452_455216d1b2_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2b7NUmd)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1885/29821925767_fbd8d2232c_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MrgaxV)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1869/30888044108_878850b5a7_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P4tioC)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: bhoot on September 18, 2018, 01:08:18 pm
But did you find the self operated chain ferry? If so you must have done something bad to it as it was extraordinarily hard to self-operate yesterday evening (or maybe it was just that we were winching it into the wind!)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 18, 2018, 01:13:00 pm
But did you find the self operated chain ferry? If so you must have done something bad to it as it was extraordinarily hard to self-operate yesterday evening (or maybe it was just that we were winching it into the wind!)

No, we followed a route promoted by psyclist so had to missed the self operated ferry  :'( 
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: psyclist on September 18, 2018, 05:22:50 pm
A few of the many photos I took. 

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1856/44039701404_c8022a014a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6CYUC)

You'll have to explain how you took that photo?

No, we followed a route promoted by psyclist

I wonder if the self-winding ferry was on the route you discarded seconds after I offered it as an option  ::-)
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 18, 2018, 05:56:31 pm
Are you accusing me of not paying attention?  That’s never happened before!
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: the straggler on September 19, 2018, 12:37:39 am
Glad I booked this weekend excursion some time ago and the experience did not disappoint.

Last Saturday morning, the 14 tour party was ready to roll across the Dutch/Belgian flatlands.  Mission day 1 involved a 200km ride to Breda. The tandem pair of Chris and Pat went ahead on a more direct route, whilst the remaining party of 12 headed southerly in the direction of Belgium at a leisure pace. Having total faith in my ACME hosts, I did not even bother bringing or uploading the 200km route onto a GPS device; just solely relying on following the wheels in front.

After the 1st coffee stop, I decided to do a rare stint at the front alongside Psyclist and Jibbers and got caught into matching their natural pace which accidently caused a split in the group.  Sorry folks.

A welcoming 2nd stop lunch at Tholen where I sampled a pineapple cheese toastie which was remarkably filling and inexpensive. Shortly after, Team Turn Left (Oscars Dad and Oaky) routed a shorter detour to the 4th stop.

At the next 3rd stop in Lillo-Fort, I thought Ted was practising a ‘More Tea Vicar’ tour as he refrained himself to consume an ACME tour beverage all day. Upon leaving the cobbled section of pave, the Lynx somehow managed a somersault over the handlebars but uncharacteristically failed to land feet first.

Some 15km before the 4th control dinner at Bergen op Zoom, bhoot tandem, Jem, Lynx and myself opted to accept the opportunity to take in a logic short ice-cream break; whilst Jibbers, Ted, Grey Sheep, Huggy & Psyclist decided to rush on ahead.

Upon leaving the 4th control, dusk began to fall on the remaining 50km back to Breda and the drama continued with Jem colliding with a bollard, Ted and the Lynx being dimmed out with headlight issues. Finally reached a lively and busy Breda for a quick pitstop before heading back to the hotel. It had seemed a really long day, not just with the extended rest stops but with the numerous sharp right angle turns encountered during the ride.

2nd day’s quest was a classic continuation to yesterday’s experience with a much appreciated 90km return leg to the ferry. A bit more of a breezy day, but with four relaxed and stress free fuel stops in the company of Psyclist, OD and Oaky. It was just the perfect tonic to finish off a brilliant trip, the right balance between time spent on and off the bike.

Interesting observations: virtually every countryside road seemed to have a dedicated separate cycle path adjacent or alongside the traffic road, unaccustomed behaviour of motorists giving way to cyclists on roundabouts in urban areas. Loved the continental atmosphere, the bitterballen snacks and of course, the finest light ales. There’s always more to a tour than just pedalling the bike.

Special thanks to those who spent valuable time in preparing the routes, ACME group being such welcoming hosts, and finally much appreciation to Jem and Oaky offering their valuable Dutch translation skills with the food menus. Perhaps this tour should become an annual Acme Pilgrimage?
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 20, 2018, 02:08:00 pm
This is really a placeholder in case I ever find the time to write a full report of the ACME Goes Dutch Full Experience or Through Holland with the Duke and his Gang.

A huge thank you to Psyclist, Bhoot and Jiber for their sterling efforts in organising everything and trying to herd the ACME cats generally.  Jiber, in particular, as well as being our catering manager also had to tow us round the flatlands for four days (we were all pretending to be unsure of the route  ;D). 

Anyway, I had a great time which literally means I really enjoyed myself.

In a sneak preview of the ACME Goes Dutch Awards, I can reveal that suggestion of the tour has been awarded to Mr "I set the standards" Straggler who came up with the brilliant idea of thinking about making an event already in its second year an annual thing.
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: Jem on September 20, 2018, 03:57:33 pm
Well that was an amazing experience. My firs .proper cycling tour and I could not have wished for better company. I learnt a lot. Laughed a lot. Ate a lot and enjoyed leading the Lynx and Grey Sheep astray with strong, dark Belgians. I rode more COR than I ever thought I could and fell off more times in two days than in the past 14 years but hey, how else do you learn? I clung onto Huggx or Grey sheeps wheels when things got tough while the Lynx made sure I wasn't left in my least favourite position - at the back. 

I enjoyed the morning TTs with Jibers but thanked the storks for their strategic placement just as I thought my lungs were going to explode.  l cursed the wind on the last day but was thriled to bits to be reunited with everyone for the last supper before sailing. I was.quite.literally beaming from ear to ear. I even learnt about navigation lights from Grey Sheep and the Duke on the ferry.

Thanks to everyone involved but especially the Full Experience gang for making me feel part of the group. Huggy's comment that I am an  "honorary boy" made my trip.
 (comment made before 00h00 therefore allowed :-))

If this does become an annual adventure, we'll definitely be back.

It was the shitadel of cycling experiences. :-) :-)


Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: jiberjaber on September 28, 2018, 07:26:38 pm
This is really a placeholder in case I ever find the time to write a full report of the ACME Goes Dutch Full Experience or Through Holland with the Duke and his Gang.

A huge thank you to Psyclist, Bhoot and Jiber for their sterling efforts in organising everything and trying to herd the ACME cats generally.  Jiber, in particular, as well as being our catering manager also had to tow us round the flatlands for four days (we were all pretending to be unsure of the route  ;D). 

Anyway, I had a great time which literally means I really enjoyed myself.

In a sneak preview of the ACME Goes Dutch Awards, I can reveal that suggestion of the tour has been awarded to Mr "I set the standards" Straggler who came up with the brilliant idea of thinking about making an event already in its second year an annual thing.

Boooon times....
https://audioboom.com/posts/3044283-dirk-and-jurgen-on-6music-s-6mix
Title: Re: ACME goes Dutch
Post by: tedshred on September 28, 2018, 09:37:13 pm
Nice one Jorgen.

"It's great when one of us needs a wee the other one keeps the beats going."

Like cycling with the Lynx.

Boomtime !

Let me see those hands.



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